I'm experiencing a traffic drop. I believe it is because of what this thread is talking about... http://hubpages.com/forum/topic/112459 When it comes to ranking, there are just too many whims of fate... And Happy Thursday! 4:30 AM, USA, West Coast.
There are changes to my accounts since Tue am.
G said they will not confirm any major changes.
Other website owners are saying there is an update undergoing
http://www.seroundtable.com/google-upda … 16762.html
Outstanding link! When I looked earlier, I couldn't find anything.
It's most definitely hit the fan. Now it's just a matter of seeing where it splatters...
My traffic has gradually been going down, too, after a nice surge a week or so ago.
Exactly! Things have been going great lately. But I've definitely noticed a sudden shift. Not sure if it's the start of the usual Summer Internet Trauma or if it's Google and HP-topics getting all tangled up.
You left a word: Summer Heat Internal Trauma, known mostly by its initials.
Perhaps it is that we are candles in the wind. My traffic is rising. I have though read often here to not get excited when traffic drops, for it does this at times, and it will pick up again. I have been tweaking my hubs too these past two weeks, and will continue. This seems to have helped with increasing traffic.
As to tweaking, I continually poke mine with a stick as well. I don't know about helping, but it doesn't seem to hurt.
I've been finding the same thing. My traffic has risen just a bit but I, too have been tweaking older hubs. Who knows. I love your assessment that we are candles in the wind!
Well in my case, tweaking is necessary. I just use to write hubs to write, without wanting to use this as a possible making money venue. Since, I decided to switch this, I am in need to tweak what has been written.
I checked Google after reading this and sure enough a LOT of my Hubs have dropped off first page.
BUT, I checked Bing and Yahoo and they are still there and in some cases moved up.
So let's just promote Bing and Yahoo and tell Google to go *CENSORED* themselves.
Mine are still where they were. A lot of times it is better to sign out of Google before you check. It will take 6 months to a year for a Hub to stabilize in where it is going to be in the rankings. Many I wrote last year are now on the first page for their keywords.
It looks like Google started an algo update. We've seen volatility that last few weeks which is sometimes the precursor. This update looks to be fairly broad. I haven't had a chance to compare notes with other large sites yet. If we learn anything we will share it.
Thank you, Paul! It's nice to know I wasn't imagining things. Knowing that there is indeed something going on, and even further knowing the cause, definitely reduces the stress.
Well, folks. I wonder what Google's latest decree will be...
I think it will be that they HATE consonants now and all posts from now on will be one long vowel movement.
Then next week they can LOVE consonants and hate vowels!
My traffic has been slowly going down for awhile, especially since the weather has gotten warm in the Midwest.
My traffic seemed to be on the up swing over the past month, then started tankin' early this week.
I'm curious if this is the large update google was talking about...Penguin 2.0. It usually takes a couple of days for things to settle and Google to make an announcement.
I noticed earlier that my pages I normally check had dropped. Plus traffic has disappeared.
Consistency would be a good thing from the uncaring, unthinking idiots at Google. If my page was OK yesterday - what happened? Did they just notice a load of other pages that they hadn't previously indexed, or did someone carefully check every similar page and decide to move the rankings around?
Were the rankings wrong yesterday, wrong this afternoon or will they be right tomorrow?
Or do these people just play around in the hope they might get it right for their latest angle - selling more advertising, promoting their own garbage, etc?
Consistency. Give me no traffic and I have something to aim for. Keep changing it and I have not the foggiest idea what to do.
I have been on a mini-mission of improving my content for at least six months. Six months. During that time I have just about managed to keep my traffic slightly less than its best in the middle of last year. But I know that it is better for search visitors.
So in my opinion - Google have no more idea about judging quality content than.... Insert a load of especially foul mouthed swearing here and forward to Matt Cutts.
14 blue arrows. Contemplating quick trip to liquor store...
Your percentage is higher than mine, we should start a contest...
47 Blue Arrows out of 222 Hubs.
I'm a superhero.....
I dropped by Real-Time. Google is still busily sending me traffic. So at least I know I haven't been sandboxed. Liquor store trip cancelled.
Beat you, I have 59 blue arrows today out of 282 hubs
Mine has 39 blue arrows. I checked and all but 2 are in the same positions. Summer downtime has arrived.
I remember an article awhile back where webmasters would experience a surge in traffic, become very happy, and then it crashed and burned. Turns out that Google was testing the sites, thus the increase in traffic; the following crash and burn was Google's implementation of the test results.
So, if my traffic crashes and burns... Was it because of my subdomain? Or was it because of my high-traffic hubs being entangled in the Google-HP-topics situation?
"I am a leaf on the wind; watch how I soar,"
Checked mine and I am getting
So Google is still the tops here.
Now my blogs....that's another story
I went down to the Arrow cave and checked the Arrow Computer and mine went from 47 to 65 blue arrows and one lone red arrow.
But hey...this ain't my first rodeo so I'm not gonna start freaking out.
My traffic is up But as I've been pushing as hard as I can to get traffic NOT from Google, that could be why. I hate being reliant on one traffic source.
I just checked my traffic. It's been cut almost in half from what it was 2 weeks ago. I think I'll take Para's suggestion and head to the liquor store. Ugh...
Just checked my stats - all my Google sources are down about 33%. Google and Yahoo are about the same. Noticed it changing yesterday!!!
Are you saying Yahoo also dropped a third? That would actually be a good sign. It would mean google isn't necessarily picking on HP again.
No - I meant that I haven't experienced a drop in Bing or Yahoo - so this seems a world-wide Google change!
Looks like there is no way around the fact that Google is f*cking HubPages again. And as Mark implied, no sense going to another content farm; it would just be more of the same.
I'm actually branching out on a niche site - and maybe a few more to see if I can get some other residual income that isn't so reliant on HP!
I think this one will settle down over time though - Google say they are focused on quality - and HP definitely has improved quality on here so...if you believe Google that is!!!
If Google really wants to f*ck us they could at least take us out for dinner and a couple of drinks first. Sheesh.
I have likewise suffered a distinct loss in traffic. The last 30 days sure were fun while it lasted. Contemplating my next move.
And an observation: Habee is one of our best writers. And Habee's hubs are the best that HubPages has to offer. Therefore, Habee's 50% traffic drop has nothing to do with anything that Habee did or did not do. If the drop is due to Google, and not the beginning of the usual Summer Heat Internet Trauma cycle, then it means that Google is perturbed with HP again.
That is my speculation. I would like to hear other speculations. In fact, I would like to be dead bang wrong.
Follow-up. I also just noticed that my Q&A traffic has fallen off a cliff.
Maybe it is those doorway ads disguised as related searches scrolling merrily along ....
I consider that a distinct possibility. At minimum they sure aren't helping.
Don't think so - Google told us they were going to do an update to Pengium a while ago! And also we're not the only site experiencing the changes - there are many other people in panic mode too!!!
I agree 'Related Search' is probably the cause. This is the last major change to the site, since traffic went up in response to QAP. Sad!
Awwww...what a sweet thing to say! It's a wonderful gift on this Mother's Day morning.
How sad our hubs are at the whim of Google! The dip in views will go up...we just have to believe it because HP is here to stay whethere Google likes it or not!!!
It's a Google Penguin update or similar. Perhaps HP need to add some extra floating adverts to recover lost revenue.
It is not the start of summer or any of those other red herring excuses. Google announced ages ago they wanted to see the end of content sites. Name one update that has improved traffic that wasn't a short-lived 'mistake'.
My content is no different to how it was two days ago. Therefore my content is now subject to yet another penalty. At what point to throw the towel in?
I have tweaked, and been Qapped on, I have done as much as I have time for. I have consistently improved my offering for the last year and the reward has been a gradual decline with occasional hopeful peaks.
Given a level playing field I would expect to be receiving at least double, treble last years traffic.
This is absolutely pathetic.
I don't know what to do anymore either.
Google announced they were making a major change to Penguin (I think) or even doing something new in the last update relating to Panda - I guess this is kicking in. I'm not panicking yet as typically it takes about a week for these 'bubbles' to work their way through the system.
I note that I have a test hub that I check on periodically to see what google is doing. It's been sitting in third place on google for the last six months - yesterday it went down to 4 and was 'bumped' by a page with no content and only pictures. Today it's back up to 3.
So I'm assuming this is happening to all my hubs and eventually things will settle back to normal...
...if not, then I may be frequenting the local bar a little more often!
And we're not the only ones....
Corporations, CEO's, Web advertisers, everyone is complaining as their page ranks have changed.
Yep - this change isn't going to last - if major corporations are complaining that's gonna cost Google a lot of money! There's hope yet!!!
Come on guys - CHILL OUT!!
We've all been around long enough to know that traffic can swing wildly when there's a Google update and that there's no point expecting the worst. We could just as easily see an uptick over the next week as things settle.
You may be right BUT...
Whenever this happens I DROP. Other sites rise. How come other sites always rise while my HubPages always drops?
I accept it may be a temporary dance but how come I don't get the top slot whereas other sites do?
I believe the dice are loaded or whatever. It is not funny, not fair.
Google Dance always means I get shoved into the corner.
Law of averages would say that at least ONCE HubPages would dance upwards.
I don't usually get to enjoy the surges either.
I know it can be frustrating and demoralising Mark and I wish I had all the answers for you! Your work certainly deserves to do well.
While I don't claim to know the mind of Google, they seem to hold content sites to a higher standard than others (which I can understand given the amount of rubbish that tends to accumulate on them) - so yes the dice are loaded!
Subdomains helped mitigate the damage of poor pages on the site somewhat, but I believe that every page on HP is still affected by the others on the domain since they're all interlinked.
I'm going to drop you a line because I do have some ideas for you
I'm noticing that I am experiencing actual feelings of anger every time I look at my stats page.
I've decided to ban myself from my stats page for the time being.
I'm seeing a huge surge in Google......Tanzania. Up 100%!!!!
The Tanzanians must be playing a lot of video games!!!
As previously mentioned, I'm refusing to look at my stats for the time being. However, I took a peek at real-time. It actually perked me up. I have concluded that our lives have indeed not ended as we know it.
I also have a sea of blue arrows after a few weeks of steady traffic. It's my second Spring here, and I notice traffic does drop off around in May, and picks back up in September. It's just a matter of how low it goes.
Jean, I thought that at first because that is how my traffic works too. This drop just happened too quick though. It's been all in one day.
Agreed - analytics seems to indicate things are back to normal....maybe..possibly...
Not here - real time shows 4 visitors when it should be over a dozen.
If I grab your coattails will you or Simey drag me along with you?
The reason traffic is down is because colleges across the country are graduating and everyone is travelling instead of doing internet searches. That's what I think, anyway.
My best guess right now is another Panda iteration. Over the years, those have really been the only algo updates that changes traffic at this scale. I traded a few emails with a goog rep today...hope to learn more by early next week.
I just read this from SEL, and my head was swimming by the end of it... after a crazy day of work, I don't want to read about Pandas and Penguins and decimals. Danny Sullivan's guess is that it's a Panda update.
I'm in another site that has Google Ad-sense and Since last month I wanted to associate my account with the ad sense program, they tell me they can't because Google is making an API update and until it ends no one on that site can associate the account.
This update has also delayed some people's applications to Ad sense, they have to wait more time, to get approved.
Funny, I had not looked at HP for about a week. But I was looking for info on Google and was unhappy with the first page results - lots of the stupid Q & A forums as well as sites that had nothing to do with my search. I shoulda known something was up.
Last Panda was great for me. My traffic returned to highs known before all this Panda crap. Now I am down about 1/3.
Ugh, stupid Google. I work for a company that sells goods online, and our search results all plummeted a few months back, and where we were, eBay and Walmart were now in our place. And their results didn't even have the product that was being searched for. Think Google is making money off those websites? Most definitely.
Aye, the past two weeks have been a blissful surge with 400ish more visitors than usual and then all of a sudden it started to plummet... I thought it was just an error like the 3 days it claimed I had no clicks because it was so sudden but alas no. Now it's down below what it was before the surge. It's annoying... I work toward getting it higher, achieve that goal, only to take these back steps which don't seem to go forward again. I will hope that I am wrong in that but time will tell.
What loss of traffic? You have to actually have traffic in order to lose it! lol
I want my Teddy Bear!
I made the mistake of looking at my numbers. Grim hub traffic. Grim Q&A traffic. GRIM EARNINGS. Grim. Grim. Grim.
"Tough town, the internet" doesn't even begin to describe it...
Gotta find myself another freaking source of income.
And Happy Saturday morning, 4:15 am, USA, west coast.
7:28 a.m. East Coast time: Happy Saturday morning back to you.
I'm not really sure that it's so much a matter of the town as it may be a matter of some neighborhoods in that town.
Yah. And it might be that, er, in that neighbourhood there's a house where we all live. And in the basement is a real bad guy who writes content that isn't very good. And the Google Car has seen him and is going to take us all out unless we confront the bad guy. Except we are all in the basement and I don't know who the bad guy is. Maybe it's me. Fortunately there's a long rope and a bucket of cement handy.
But wait. Who's this coming? It's Matt Cutts, in his special superhero costume. He leaps from the Google Car, which is now a tank, and torches the building. We are all doomed. I ask him to call the Fire Brigade and he just laughs.
At that moment Simone and Paul leap out of a helicopter and land on Matt's head. They pummel him until he is completely pummelled. They use one of Simone's smaller bows to fashion a wind turbine that blows out the flames - except for the bad guy who is done to a crisp. We're saved!
Hooray for HubPages! Hooray for Paul and Simone and her Bow!!!
Traffic recovers. Quantcast shows a slight upturn. I earn three dollars.
That is fantastic. Do you plan to ask a lot for the movie rights? It will be a blockbuster I'm sure.
Hilarious, loved this bit especially.
My hub stats are hovering just above another major round number...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5_swaxOidGU 2 minutes, 34 seconds
Even though my views are down to dismal numbers, I earned more from Google Adsense yesterday than since Christmas. It still wasn't much though. I never earn that much from Adsense. I just thought it was funny.
My traffic is way down too. At first I put it down to the normal drop that seems to happen from Thursday until Sunday afternoon, but looking at the figures today they are the lowest I have seen them in months even on a weekend
Early days but looks like a quota rest with Squidoo spared this time but HP hit, possibly due to spammy 'related search'
I looked at Global/Monthly on Quantcast and HP was down 1% and Squidoo was down 19%.
That was only up till the 10th though.
Yep. Introduce QAP -good idea. Add spammy adverts - bad idea.
Any manual assessment of the site that sees the amount of advertising is surely going to be poor.
Traffic is dropping but the thing which is making me worried is the performance of new hubs. They are not just doing well. No matter what I did the new hubs are not getting much traffic. These thing is happening after the introduction of Squidoo style 24 hour waiting system.
That's the only obvious, major thing that has changed, in the last month or so. QAP rolls out and should have made things better for Panda Baby.
You certainly know how to jump to unwarranted conclusions. If the issue was the ads it would hit people equally. After a small recovery, I'm down less than 10% now, others have reported 30%, 50% and one person, two thirds.
I doubt if other people around the web would experience ranking changes as a result of HP's ad strategies, either: http://searchengineland.com/if-that-was … -it-158925
What else could it be that has affected the entire HP site? Varying impact, but all affected to some extent. Most hubs QAPed, this appeared to provide benefits last time. Quality improved, traffic up and now this. Any other suggestions?
What could have affected the entire site?
A change in the search algo.
A change in the Panda algo.
A new Penguin.
The kind of thinking to avoid:
There is a bad thunderstorm
It's something we did
Better build a pyramid and sacrifice some virgins
Better stick with the virgin sacrifices, just in case
Wrong question. Right question: What could it be that has affected dozens or hundreds of sites all over the web?
Answer: either world wide power failures or google playing more games. Of the two, I'll take the latter.
What has changed for me, for what it may be worth, is over the past 30 days my views are down 66% on the money.
The reasoning and guessing always goes on, lol.
I am like a few others, I believe that there is some conflict between HP and Goggle at some level that creates such critters as what we are seeing now.
As for "Real Time", I have been glaring at this zero glaring back at me.
Edited after reviewing Quantcast which shows appalling traffic drop. My own traffic is the worst for a long time.
So why did HP get hit so bad? We have QAP. It should be better. It was better.
What has changed recently?
In my opinion it is the floating adverts. They immediately say spammy site where the adverts are the reason for the content. I don't care what possible justification there might be - they are awful to look at.
I would never stay on a site with that level of constantly in your face advertising.
OK. It could be some other reason. But as someone trying to engage with a reader, maybe get them to read something else as well the ads are annoying. It's saying "sure the text is ok but LOOK, LOOK, LOOK AT THE ADS".
Makes a mockery of QAP. Quality content with over the top advertising.
I blame the ads.
Oh we're doing war stories now? I was slapped by Microsoft for installing Windows in my tent. In fact "she was born in a tent" originated from my birth there, meaning I had the opportunity to write my birth story before it happened so I got slapped with Pre-Google's backward duplicate pre-sensationalised time travel ban.
You think YOU got it bad?
It is true,many hubs are now experiencing a traffic drop.Hope it stops soon!
I'm down 50% of my usual traffic since the 1st of this month and still going down. I wonder how much drop other hubbers have experienced?
Yep, a very noticeable drop over the last week or so. I wouldn't say 50 % but maybe more like a 25% drop for me at the moment. Hopefully things turn around soon.
Happy Mother's Day! It's been a tough weekend for page views here on HubPages.
I saw a nice, mild surge Sunday through Wednesday (5/5 to 5/8/2013). I always see a drop Friday through Saturday, sometime Sunday. This week was particularly bad, and my page views went down across the board below 1/2, down almost to 1/3 their usual, in spite of my maintaining my Hubscore and also publishing two new hubs. (Though I believe my drop would have been worse without those efforts.)
I would suggest that we got hit with a 3-way slam. First, changes in Google's algorithm. Second, the release of a tragic news story (about the women who had been imprisoned and Ohio), and third, Mother's Day weekend. A lot that pulls away our readers to other things.
I know my next step is to build a social media presence. I saw how that would add page views. I wasn't sure if it would help with placement of my hubs in Google. Now I see that it can. I'm glad I learned that here.
Sometimes, it's hard to do all this work and see no growth yet. But I'm here for the long term . . .
These ups and downs in page views and income will happen. But the joys of writing and sharing in community are steady.
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