Considering closing up shop

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    Crazdwriterposted 13 years ago

    As the title says I have been thinking about hubpages and how it has gotten very boring. A lot of people have stopped coming to the forums and everything is now boring. It's mostly the religious trying to argue about their religion or shove their religion down other ppl's throats or those who just want to argue about stupid boring politics. I am not interested in either!
    And since I am hardly making any money as I was hoping for what is the point of staying and writing? I was hoping that this would be an easier way to make extra money for myself and my husband while I deal with searching for a house and a job but obviously that isn't the case. you have to be here it seems like years before you get any pay outs from the adsense and I don't have that kind of patience.
    So I will know by most likely know by this weekend if I am going to be closing up shop or not.
    I'm going back to bed to see if I can get any more sleep before I get up and do my chores around the apartment.

    1. Wonder_Woman profile image58
      Wonder_Womanposted 13 years agoin reply to this

      Hey crazy girl what can I do to help you stay in business sad?

    2. r2moo2 profile image59
      r2moo2posted 13 years agoin reply to this

      Hm... maybe the motivation of 'trying too hard to make money' is wearing out?

      I was rather worn out a few weeks ago on trying to make money through my blog and writing. I really desired to seek financial independence through what I enjoy doing, and not slaving myself within a company just to earn a living.

      However the money motivation vexed my soul and my mood goes up & down like a stock market: up if I see some Adsense earnings and down if I see $0.

      I kind of gave up trying to adopt a "get rich quick scheme" and just focus on enjoying myself on hubpages and blogging things that interest me. It really kills just to try too hard to make money.

      Why not take a breather and rest?

    3. emievil profile image67
      emievilposted 13 years agoin reply to this

      Hey Crazd, don't go. Get your feet (and hands and fingers) up and rest them for a while. Or cool off for like a week or two but leave your Hubpage up. Think things through then come back (I'm sure you will, you'll miss us smile).

    4. Sufidreamer profile image79
      Sufidreamerposted 13 years agoin reply to this

      You have to sell yourself - it is possible to attract clients through HP, but you need to let folks know that you are for hire, in your profile. Adsense is not the only way to make a living on HP!

      Spend a day making your profile into a sales pitch and you never

      1. Eaglekiwi profile image74
        Eaglekiwiposted 13 years agoin reply to this

        Hey Surfi ,a little light went on then (gawd hope it stays on) but seriously its given me incentive to try sumptin wink

        I got a lil disheartened recently because I cant install this programme (Market Summarai) ,problems with Windowns installer.Pretty sure I need a disc to formatt, dunno,anyway decided if the Internets gonna throw me lemons , I might as well make Lemonade aye lol

        Thankyou oh wise one wink

        1. glendoncaba profile image76
          glendoncabaposted 13 years agoin reply to this

          Market Samurai lets see...Are yu doing that free 30 day seo course?  Promo looked good.

          1. Eaglekiwi profile image74
            Eaglekiwiposted 13 years agoin reply to this

            Yes Eric left the website on another thread (cant find it ,grr) anyway just reading and applying info a little every other day.

            1. glendoncaba profile image76
              glendoncabaposted 13 years agoin reply to this

              Yea looks juicy.  If I opt out of KA before the 30 days I'll jump ship into that one. Or just watch videos for inspiration. 

              So much to learn.  Talk about info overload.

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      Poppa Bluesposted 13 years agoin reply to this

      Well many people write for themselves. But, if coming here doesn't make you happy, why do it? Of course you'll be missed and perhaps you should consider that when weighing your options.

    6. viryabo profile image93
      viryaboposted 13 years agoin reply to this

      You may live to regret the hasty decision.
      Your works are great, and you have laboured to get where you are now.
      Quitters never win. You will hit payout even before you realise it.
      Never give up on HP. You will reap your rewards soon.
      Now, repeat after me....

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      shazwellynposted 13 years agoin reply to this

      Why don't you take the pressure off of yourself and write for the pleasure, whenever you want to.  Don't give it up, just take a back seat and enjoy.  You don't have to interact on subjects that bore you, just the ones that pop out at you and gets you curious.  I know that I wont make any money out of this, but writing helps me unload.  I hope this helps xx

    8. mandybeau1 profile image60
      mandybeau1posted 13 years agoin reply to this
    9. Sudon Imous profile image59
      Sudon Imousposted 13 years agoin reply to this

      If you have just been writing too many focused commercial hubs lately, it might reinvigorate you to switch over to funner "organic" hubs for a while, and you might even write one that does well financially too.

      I just finished some research that supports the financial part of this suggestion: I investigated the story of the hub that brought the most referral traffic to HubPages over the last three months.

      This top HubPages referral destination hub is #2 on Google search results for the keyword phrase that drove traffic to it.  But, this hub does not contain this keyword phrase nor have any external backlinks: it seems to be an example of a hub that organically became the second biggest referral traffic driver to HubPages (it was the author's first, and only, hub). (see my hub on this for details)

      This story suggests that hubs about niche subjects written without keyword research and optimization and without backlinking campaigns can do very well, better even than many "optimized" hubs: this is good news because these types of "organic" hubs are much more fun to write than focused and optimized hubs written about dry subjects.

    10. dutchman1951 profile image59
      dutchman1951posted 13 years agoin reply to this

      I wounder if it is possible to make seperate forums, political, religon, love and life, cooking etc...etc...
      and have mods that will bounce out a non topic for each one, keep it seperate and you can participate in what you enjoy that way, without all the crazy stuff. Just a question?


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    bloodnlatexposted 13 years ago

    I totally agree that the forums aren't as fun as they were even a couple weeks ago.  I first came here to try to make some cash, but soon realized that that wasn't gonna happen. 
    Stick around and keep writing though.  This is a great place to put together a portfolio of writing samples for freelance jobs that will pay real money.  You don't have to be in the forums for hours each day, but just keep writing and check in here every now and again.

    1. Eaglekiwi profile image74
      Eaglekiwiposted 13 years agoin reply to this

      FFFFfff... k thats an ugly avatar blood lol

      Dont ya know yer drop dead gorgeous smile

      Yikes that wasnt meant to be a personal attack ,I better slip these on ~~> cool

    2. Animal World profile image61
      Animal Worldposted 13 years agoin reply to this

      Agreeing with you !!!!! I hope you stick around some Crazdwriter.

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        Crazdwriterposted 13 years agoin reply to this

        I will stick around and yes I agree with blood too. Great portfolio making here even if some of my hubs were written for comedy purposes and fun purposes. big_smile

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      poetlorraineposted 13 years agoin reply to this


  3. gamergirl profile image88
    gamergirlposted 13 years ago

    Don't give up on the money side yet.

    It took me 9 months to make my first google payout.  Now, almost two years after signing up, I am getting a google payout every two months or so - soon to be every month.  It can be done!

    1. R.Edwards profile image64
      R.Edwardsposted 13 years agoin reply to this

      ...jeez, it takes 9 months before I get my firs payment? I try not to even visit the payment threads and focus on just having fun writing but, 9 months? I don't want to ask how much you are making but, is it at least worth the wait?

      is it even consistent enough a payment to rely on?

      1. r2moo2 profile image59
        r2moo2posted 13 years agoin reply to this

        In the first place, we didn't have anything to begin with when we came to Hubpages & the Internet, and Hubpages or writing online isn't obligated to give us money through writing.

        So, why is there such an expectation of payment through writing on Hubpages?

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          Scott.Lifeposted 13 years agoin reply to this

          I think the expectation is coming from the fact that Hubpages is advertising on help wanted ads in online newspapers all across the country right now. The way they are presented makes it seem like an actual writing job, once you get here though it's quite different. Accordingly what you put into it is what you get out. Everytime I come to the forums and get caught up in it, my writing and score suffer. If you came here to make money off of writing you definitely have to write. I agree with several posts on this thread, many of the writers I consider successful on this site are rarely seen in the forums with a few exceptions even so most have numerous articles and years of effort put into it.

          This is an online business and like any business takes time to germinate and grow, I am still building mine and have also realized that it takes multiple streams to bring in good income and have expanded to other sites and blogs. All of this though I learned on here from writers and hubs though, had i not found hubpages I could still be going it alone. If you really want to make money I think it best to read and study some hubs by people like, Mark, darkside, Shirley Anderson, and several other writers on here, do what they say don't just shake your head and allow self limiting thoughts to get in the way and you will succeed.

          1. r2moo2 profile image59
            r2moo2posted 13 years agoin reply to this

            My bad; I'm sorry for my misunderstanding. I didn't know as I live in Singapore, so actually I never saw any ads about Hubpages before. I kind of stumbled into Hubpages unknowingly.

            Thanks for your feedback!

      2. darkside profile image71
        darksideposted 13 years agoin reply to this

        What's the average CPC for the keyword 'NFL'? What other keywords should you be targeting?

        Will doing a week by week breakdown of the NFL get you organic traffic? Will people find your hubs via search engines?

        If you don't know the answers to these questions you better find out. And you might discover that 9 months from now you've not made enough to pass your first $100 milestone.

        1. r2moo2 profile image59
          r2moo2posted 13 years agoin reply to this

          Yup, darkside is right about being serious in writing if we want to make money online. There is just too much to know about being profitable in writing.

          I am a greenhorn in this industry and I made several blunders myself. It is normal not to see money coming in immediately if we are new to writing online or having profitable blogs.

          So, let's not stress ourselves so much to create money and just learn little by little, till we are as good as the other writers here shall we? Like darkside, Mark Knowles, Misha, and others whom I may not know. (Sorry, I may be pretty ignorant as I am rather new.)

          And I believe everyone in Hubpages is willing to help each other to enjoy life together and make money together to meet our needs & wants. (I hope I am right about that.)

        2. R.Edwards profile image64
          R.Edwardsposted 13 years agoin reply to this

          makes sense.

          I didn't come here under the assumption that I was going to be earning money by writing. A friend of mine knows that I used to write for the Hispanic Link Caucus (imagine that)in Washington D.C. and knows I have a shared interest in writing.

          I was told about the site as a resource to network with other writers and artists (as I also write poetry)and then was told I could get paid!

          I probably got too excited and expected too much too soon, but hey, don't shoot the guy with a dream!

          Thank you again Darkside, I was wondering why the same tags kept coming up. At least I see you "researched" my past hubs to see that all of them had fallen under NFL.

          I recognize that now. Have a blessed day.

          1. darkside profile image71
            darksideposted 13 years agoin reply to this

            I suggest reading this thread:
            HubPages Tips: Using keyword research to make a good Hub great!

            And then later this one:
            HubPages Tips: The importance of having an awesome title
            The second one is not as important for you as the first, but it applies a few of the same techniques (keyword research).

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      sandra rinckposted 13 years agoin reply to this

      I agree with gamergirl.  Don't give up yet.  If anything do what you are doing. 

      Almost everyone who does make money on hp will say the same thing.  It didn't happen over night and it takes a little more work then just writing something and then all the sudden you are making money.

      Took me forever but I know it can be done as well! big_smile

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    Nelle Hoxieposted 13 years ago

    Well I've made serious money since my second month here. But if you're looking for "easy" money this probably isn't the place. I don't care if the forums are fun or not. I just need them to be helpful.

    And yesterday was an example of the forums helping us deal with someone who was stealing from the community and within a few hours it was done with.

    Making money online requires a lot of effort, wherever you go. Hubpages is about as good as it gets. If you need a break, leave your hubs up, and then come back, when you feel like it.

    That's another wonderful feature of Hubpages. You don't have to worry about hosting costs and maintenance.

    1. darkside profile image71
      darksideposted 13 years agoin reply to this

      What Nelle said.

      Crazdwriter, I see a few 'monster' stories. They're not going to make you much at all through Adsense. Creative writing is a fantastic outlet, I used to do a lot of it in the 90s and had several short stories published in magazines, but using it to make money online isn't going to work.

      Having fun online is easy to do, but if you want to make money you'll have to learn the way the system works. And it takes a while.

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      cosetteposted 13 years agoin reply to this

      Nellie you are my Hubpages inspiration. seriously i am stoked now because of you.

    3. queenbe profile image61
      queenbeposted 13 years agoin reply to this

      Could you please enlighten me as to how you got action on a thief here on hub pages?

  5. Jane@CM profile image60
    Jane@CMposted 13 years ago

    Try looking at the bigger picture and ask yourself some questions.  Are you here #1 to write or to play in the forums (not being harsh here)?

    Look at some of the really good writers here on hub pages, I rarely see any of them in the forums.  They are here to write & earn an income.

    When I first stumbled upon the forums, I was really only looking for help and suggestions & then I got a bit more caught up in them than I wished I backed away.  I didn't come to the forums to make friends, although I've had tremendous support here from caring people. I've also realized that I may have 94 fans, but maybe a handful ever comment on my hubs.

    I also started writing for other sites, if they have a forum, I don't go near it. 

    So you need to make the decision, stay at the Hub to write and focus just on writing or leave.  I seriously would NEVER take what goes on in these forums as an indication to leave - the forums are like a side of fries, you don't really need them smile

    1. rebekahELLE profile image83
      rebekahELLEposted 13 years agoin reply to this

      I agree Jane.
      you have to think about why you're here and if the forums sidetrack you or disappoint you, then don't participate and concentrate on your writing.

      only you know what you really need to do. coming to a forum for support isn't always the best solution. spend time figuring out your priorities and take action. it doesn't help to blame the site. Hubpages is really an amazing community. but ultimately, it really is only your decision.  smile

  6. Mark Knowles profile image58
    Mark Knowlesposted 13 years ago

    I made decent money after my second month also - and I currently make "decent money" although - you have to work at it. It will not just happen. And it certainly will not happen if you just write randomly.

  7. Misha profile image63
    Mishaposted 13 years ago

    Hey, don't go. I will miss you hmm

    1. Paradise7 profile image73
      Paradise7posted 13 years agoin reply to this

      I's your choice, crazd writer, but we will miss you!

      I understand how you feel, but I think you might want to come back, when your life is less hectic and things may have smoothed out and become more fun again here.

  8. GeneralHowitzer profile image70
    GeneralHowitzerposted 13 years ago

    hey craz hehehe dont mind the earnings it will come naturally learn how to study well the environment here and figure out what are the things needed to do hehehe to get a slice of the ads...

    Yeah it became boring... hayz the forum... well i stopped going to forums few weeks ago when Maddie slapped me with a self promotion and close my thread hehehe but that was intentional, everybody have their reasons why they dont visit the forums too often, yeah the religious threads can be one of the culprits...

  9. Helen Cater profile image60
    Helen Caterposted 13 years ago

    I think maybe you are having a bad day, and a good nap will see you back bright, happy and ready to write some hubs. We all have our bad days when we feel we are going no where, but you must keep going and ride the storm. After a few months you will start to see an increase in your earnings. Maybe you need a new challenge and should write about something totally different to give you a boost. I started off here thinking I would write about what i'm experienced in. I have to say I have done that for years and am bored with it. Writing about others topics can not only educate but give a boost to those tired brains. Plz don't leave as you will be missed by many. Be a trooper and keep going.

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    Scott.Lifeposted 13 years ago

    Something I forgot, if you really want to make money writing anywhere you need to realize that you have to write stuff people are looking for and interested in. Limit the ratio of your interests versus commercial hubs and you will see your earnings increase at least I did. Once you make it on the scene and establish your career then write about what you want and are passionate about all the time, until then do what you have to do and get it done, sacrifice paves the way to glory.

  11. tantrum profile image60
    tantrumposted 13 years ago

    You're a very good writer. You should continue hubbing, even you're not earning much. I don't even have any google adsense, amazon, e-bay or whatever account. I just do it for fun . Why don't you do the same ? Relax !! smile

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    ryankettposted 13 years ago

    All I will say is that I have been here less than 4 months, and have about $132 in my adsense account. I am now making about $3 per day (and fast fast rising).... which is $93 per month (if not a fair bit more).

    If that is sustained, I can hope to be making $186 a month (if not more) with 260 hubs after 8 months. And then maybe I will be making $372 per month after 16 months..... and $558 per month after 24 months.

    I can say some bad things about hubpages, I think that some of their policies are backwards, and the forums are full of complete dickheads. But it irritates me when people say that there is no money to be made.

    Like Darkside said, you havent written for money. You have to read about keywords, SEO, and sell out. If you really want to make money, then you need to work hard and write. Most of the heavyweights on this site dont even enter the forum, and there are good reasons for that.

    I hope you stay, and I agree..... the forums are a joke now, but the money bit is in your own hands.

    EDIT: Also note that at least 70 of my articles do not make me a single cent. Its learning how to avoid this to make the best use of your time.

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      Nelle Hoxieposted 13 years agoin reply to this

      Ryan those 70 articles may in time make you some money. So don't give up on them. On any given day about 20% of my hubs are responsible for my income. And those hubs aren't the same everyday. It's always fun when a hub that's been silent for a month or two pops up with an Adsense click.

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        ryankettposted 13 years agoin reply to this

        The thing is Nelle, taking away the first 30 (at which point I knew nothing whatsoever about keywords, seo etc...).... the other 40 I wrote in the full knowledge that they would probably not make me a penny. I guess thats my point, I have about 60 articles which I wrote solely for money..... which make me between $2.50 - $4.00 per day in total.... so I could have 130 articles which earn me double that. Thats the glory of hubpages, if you want money you can earn it.... if you dont focus on money, then you wont; but it is perfectly possible for somebody to do both if they wanted to, and I am an example of that.

        I agree completely with your sentiments though, I was nicely suprised when one of my serial killer articles popped up with two $1 clicks the other day.... the first clicks for that hub, 2 months after I wrote it! and again, that was one of the hubs I wrote in the knowledge that it would make me very little money.

        But dont worry Nelle, I never give up on hubs.... I am getting 20 hits a day on a page which was getting 0 hits a day for the first 3 months. And I wouldnt delete a hub even if it was earning me 1 cent a week. "pennies add up to pounds" as my nan used to say wink

        I also have a couple with something like a 10 cent cpc, which have earnt me a lot of money.... sometimes I think that people miss a trick here. Nobody competes for low paying keywords, thus more traffic, and more clicks..... some of those can be just as valuable as $1 keywords when you get it straight onto the first page for a term which is searched 10,000 times a month!

        Oops sorry for the essay.... Thats what happens when I have a long break from the forums.

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        glendoncabaposted 13 years agoin reply to this


  13. ocbill profile image53
    ocbillposted 13 years ago

    and I thought it was the politics...imagine seeing bumper stickers impeach Obama and he is only 9 months into his term. I see them in Orange County. Yes, it is boring..outta here.

  14. Ms Chievous profile image66
    Ms Chievousposted 13 years ago

    Gee Crazdewriter, I hope you wake from your nap and realize how many people you  have impacted with your writing and your personality.  You can go out and explore new things to do. just come back here once in a while!  smile

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    lynnechandlerposted 13 years ago

    I would miss you CW but you got to do what is best for you. I would look at what some of the others have said. I have been here according to my sign up date for 4 months but I only started posting hubs as of 9/7 and though I am not making a killing I am making something.

    Take a step back and then rethink the ball game and pull your garters up and get to pitching.

  16. chenmikehk profile image38
    chenmikehkposted 13 years ago

    Hey I have barely started and making nada. So don't give up and I will press on.

  17. sooner than later profile image60
    sooner than laterposted 13 years ago

    see ya later

  18. zadrobi profile image61
    zadrobiposted 13 years ago

    Crazd, just think of HP as an investment in something you enjoy doing. For example: When I started playing the guitar I thought it would be something that would take me forever to master. After only a year (which is an extremely short amount of time to get good with an instrument) I tried out for a band on the Warped Tour and made it. Now I am in bands that just play around town for funny money and it's one of the best investments of time I've ever made. So, it may be overwhelming and encumbering but if it's something you really want and like to do, then please don't be discouraged!

  19. dejajolie profile image61
    dejajolieposted 13 years ago

    I think it's all been said... but I too believe that 'focusing' on just the money part is probably daunting and draining. Although I just joined I just see it as a venue to get my writing, and name out there, and to meet other talented writers. I see the money as an added bonus. However, I do work full-time and have other business ventures on the side so we're probably not in the same boat.

    I wish you luck and above all else decide what's best for you.

  20. Lady_E profile image64
    Lady_Eposted 13 years ago

    Well, its only been two months, but it's your Call.

    I've enjoyed reading your postings smile

  21. Benjimester profile image90
    Benjimesterposted 13 years ago

    I hear you crazed lady.  HP has definitely changed.  I just wrote a message in another thread that there's been a huge influx of Hub drama over the last few months.  We've lost some good Hubbers.  Goldentoad was the toughest to see leave.  Don't know what's happening.

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    Crazdwriterposted 13 years ago

    Thanks for the advice, guys. I will stick to just writing hubs and exclude the forums. Might stop in once in a while but will stick to writing hubs. Maybe it'll pay off ...just checked and have $8.00 and something so I am making something...a little something.

    And yes I know I have mosnter stories but that is me...I write fiction...I don't like writing nonfiction though I have to on this website so I do write fiction to keep myself and my imagination running.

    I'm surprised that so amny of you will miss me. I didn't think that anyone would care if I left...of course obviously sooner or later doesn't care if I do or not. But oh well that is just one voice amongst surprsingly quite a few voices. smile thanks for caring and helping me think.

    1. Mark Knowles profile image58
      Mark Knowlesposted 13 years agoin reply to this

      Drop me a line if you are serious about making money from this. wink

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        Crazdwriterposted 13 years agoin reply to this

        You know I want to Mark smile

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          Scott.Lifeposted 13 years agoin reply to this

          I would give Mark a ring, lord knows sometimes his views annoy me in the forums but I have used his tips to change my hubs around and it is starting to pay off. He knows his stuff and can really help you.

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            Crazdwriterposted 13 years agoin reply to this

            After I saw that post from Mark I went straight to his pge and contacted him big_smile

    2. glendoncaba profile image76
      glendoncabaposted 13 years agoin reply to this

      Writers are notorious manic-depressives so I don't take these mood swings too seriously.  Don't take yourself so seriously.  Give yourself permission to have a bad month, but learn from it.

      Nothing is wrong with a little time out.  Refreshes the soul and gives you perspective.  That's why they invented vacations.  Come to Jamaica.  I'll show your family the real community life of say...Usain Bolt.  Even teach you how to eat yam. smile

      As for making money, the information is out there, but new media affords us the opportunity to play around and get distracted.     

      Registering with Keyword Academy is my cry for help, and a serious effort to focus. 

      If only I had the good sense to start a "running away from home" thread like you...Man I would get coaching from Mark.  To be honest he has shared some tips with me too, but you know newbies, everything is caught up in the info overload.

      With the invention of widescreen TV and internet husbands and kids don't threaten to run away from home any tongue

      Forums are almost addictive.  You think you'll stay away to write hubs then suddenly something pops up in your niche or pet peeve.

      Why don't you try the Keyword Academy course.  I've registered and trying hard to make the time to do the homework.  Outa here!

    3. queenbe profile image61
      queenbeposted 13 years agoin reply to this

      I hate to see you go too. I haven't read your work yeat but I will, I hate  to see it but I understand as I am in your boat with you. I have only been on here for 2 months and really loved it and thought I had found a home. It is not about not making any money. That takes time, it is about much more serious issues. Good Luck with your decision and I think a break is in order not just quitting all together. That is what I am doing and looking for somewhere else to write,

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    A Texanposted 13 years ago

    I Care

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      Crazdwriterposted 13 years agoin reply to this

      thanks A are a sweety!

  24. azraelsbane profile image60
    azraelsbaneposted 13 years ago

    I know I'm a newbie, but I thought I'd put in my 2 cents...because you know, that's what writers do. smile

    I gave up trying to write for money years ago, after writing a query letter for my novel just about sent me over the edge.

    Don't leave. Stay and write. smile

    Writing is supposed to be enjoyed. No one can enjoy it if you're not doing it.

  25. Lisa HW profile image61
    Lisa HWposted 13 years ago

    If you do decide not to write Hubs any longer I would suggest you not remove whatever Hubs you have on here.  People have been known to leave their Hubs "as is", stop writing, and then come back to discover their abandoned Hubs have picked up earnings.  I'd suggest (if you don't want to write Hubs any longer) you leave your account as it is, pop on and read/vote sometimes, and see what happens.

    People have different experiences when it comes to earning.  I know that at 2 months in I had, if I recall correctly, under $10.  8 or 9 months later I started getting a deposit each month.  I haven't been able to quit my day job, but I'm glad I didn't give up at 2 months.  smile  As for the forums, they are what they are; and there's a lot of Hubbing info on here.  With the exception of the Hub-related threads, the forums aren't supposed to be the focus here.

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      Crazdwriterposted 13 years agoin reply to this

      thanks Lisa I will write but also probably take a break from hubs for a while. smile

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    sneakorocksolidposted 13 years ago

    Who will tell me to be nice? I want you to stay I'll share my cookies with you.

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      Crazdwriterposted 13 years agoin reply to this

      aaaaa sneak thanks dude. I appreciate the comment and no you don't have to sahre yor cookies I am staying..for now lol

  27. Ladybird33 profile image70
    Ladybird33posted 13 years ago

    I think we are slowing down in the forums to concentrate on the articles we want to write for the hubchallenge (well that is what I am doing).  I have several I am trying to publish and when I think of coming to the forums, I stop and turn to writing...that is where we make our money.  Good luck and don't give up smile

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      Crazdwriterposted 13 years agoin reply to this

      Good luck to you Ladybird! How many do you have published so far for you the challenge? and how many more do yu have to go?

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    Crazdwriterposted 13 years ago

    I remember reading one of those...I think the title one. But I like creating my own titles...they jsut hop into my brain and I write them down, same goes with my stories. I also have my HW from Mark big_smile THANKS MARK! And thank you darkside for posting the other hub about keyword tips. I appreciate it as I am sure others do too.

  29. spease profile image60
    speaseposted 13 years ago

    I've been here about the same time as you.  I haven't posted anywhere near as much as you.  I haven't gotten discouraged yet.  I wish I was making more money.  I didn't think I was going to get rich right away.  I was planning on being able to build up to where I will be making money.  Stick with it.

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      Crazdwriterposted 13 years agoin reply to this

      All right Spease we'll stick with it together then. smile

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        bloodnlatexposted 13 years agoin reply to this

        If it makes you feel any better, I made a whole 4 cents last week.  I learned a long time ago I'm not doing this for the money.

  30. Flightkeeper profile image67
    Flightkeeperposted 13 years ago

    Hi Crazd. Please don't go, I will miss the monster stories.  Actually, have you considered writing children's books? I think your whimsical monsters would be perfect.

    Stay on hubpages to perfect your writing and as part of training for your book to be published.

    1. profile image0
      Crazdwriterposted 13 years agoin reply to this

      I have actually Flightkeeper but for me...I have to describe things in more detail and I would actually lose a child. My imagination is complex that way lol

  31. lizy625 profile image59
    lizy625posted 13 years ago

    dont give it up!! you do it for money, but the passion behind the words is why you came-it's why we are all here, I say-lets do something more fun!!don't give it up, you are talented!!

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    Janettaposted 13 years ago

    I can't say much for the money part. That was never my goal and my adsense has shown it LOL

    But the other stuff, I can maybe help with. I really haven't been here all that long in the grand scheme of things, but I can say without a doubt, that in the amt of time I HAVE been around, I've seen lots of changes in the community. It is constantly evolving. New hubbers come in and slowly (or sometimes really quickly!) get aclimated, hubbers leave, sometimes leaving a bit of a void for a while, controversy breaks out here or there or drama seems to overtake the jovial spirit of the place.

    When I felt like packing my hubbagage a while ago, I told myself that the unhappiness would eventually subside and the good times would be back. I chose to stick it out and instead of leaving, took a mini break. When something overwhlmes me I tend to handle it by avoiding it/stepping away for a while. When I feel drawn in again, I return. That's exactly what I did w/ hubs. I am feeling the excitement and joy I had when I first started. Yeah somethings are different, but that's a good thing. If stuff never changed, Life would be pretty boring.

    Moral of the story: Hubs, like life, is what you make of it. U can choose to be bogged down and pushed out by the bad stuff or you can choose to overcome it, the choice is yours.

  33. earnestshub profile image83
    earnestshubposted 13 years ago

    Crazd you just got here!

    But you are right, this is not fast unless you write very good hubs that are aimed directly at adsense.
    No need to leave here or pull your hubs, they will sit and get hits for ages! As you learn more, you will earn more. smile

  34. lbtrader profile image60
    lbtraderposted 13 years ago

    I'm taking a real long break once I get to 100 that point I will be looking at building a few websites. All the hours here are good for improving my writing skills and dang...I'm learning so much that I'm starting to feel totally geeky.

    The website part is more interesting as an investment aspect. I am thinking in terms reselling a site that is profitable and ranking well.

    For example, as a community we have made hubpages one of the top sites on the internet. Most of us make a pitance.

    This site could be sold at auction or privately ( not saying that it will ) for a million or ten. Adsense revenue alone is 5k to 10k daily.

    A website that makes 10 bucks a day will earn 10k in five years therefore it can be sold for 5k.

    Who ever would have thought building websites could be a business....

    My advice to the OP...keep your job...keep honing your writing skills on hubpages and get a domain name and build your own future.

    Mr Edmondson did it...and look at us now.

    PS...i do get regular ad checks but it was such hard work. Not a great ROI i'd say. And very little of it comes from the hundred or so pages I have here.

    Chin Up....

  35. funnebone profile image66
    funneboneposted 13 years ago

    Hello Frustrated Writer,
    If I, Idiotis Extremus, can make money, anyone can. Don't rely on only adsense, find a good affiliate site to work in. I use Share-a-sale because they provide text links. Write one good hub and go out and promote it. I would recommend either reading on this site about backlinks or even buying an ebook. I had one hub that generated a good amount of money because I brought a ton of traffic to it from craigslist. Like the others said you have to keep working well after you write the article. Search around for HUBS that will help you. There are some very wise and often hygienically challenged people on this site who will drag you kicking and screaming to the adsense promise land. Remember that McDonalds can raise the price of a McMess a penny and make millions so you just have to write a few hundred thousand Hubs and eventually you'll be rolling in the dough, one measly click at a time though.

  36. Randy Godwin profile image60
    Randy Godwinposted 13 years ago

    Well, I have several jobs including running a small farm, construction and other things I'd rather not go into just because!  I have 31 hubs and average about $1.50 a day with very little research on keywords or SEO.  Sold some Amazon stuff and all that but I really haven't tried very hard to make money here.  This is the easiest job I've ever had and I could probably make more money here if I really tried. 

    But then I would not like writing very much because it would be something I did expressly for money.  I was a professional musician for many years and I listened to music less after performing became a job.

    I guess what I am trying to say is that we all have our own particular reasons for being on this site.  Some for fun, some for show, some for boredom, and some for dough.

  37. RedElf profile image87
    RedElfposted 13 years ago

    Lots of sound advice here, crazdwriter. Take a look at some of the hubs that have been mentioned. Also check out relache, frogdropping, darkside, Nelle Hoxie. They are doing OK.

    Look at how they write and read what else they do. Then you will have a better idea of the effort required.

    Consider taking a 30 hubs in 30 days challenge - they do wonders for your score and visits, and you can find lots of good tips there too.

    If you decide it's not worth that kind of effort, then just write what moves you. This is as good a place as you'll find, and there's a lot more support here than a lot of other places.

    ...and whatever you decide - best of luck!

  38. Jane Dee Summers profile image60
    Jane Dee Summersposted 13 years ago

    Hi cradzwriter,

    I think the internet could possibly only be used to supplement your and your husbands income. These are tough times. If you enjoy writing, write about you experiences at the moment. What drove you to the internet and in particular the hub.

    I do not subscribe to multiple hubs. But writing about what you are going through at the moment and put them into hubs and then into a book.

    The advice I got, when I first joined, was to break up my first hub in three parts, which I did. My hub is the first unedited chapter of my book, in three parts. Can I make money from it, No! but I'm creating awareness while I keep writing.

    Don't leave for the wrong reason. When you need support I do believe you will get it on hubs.I must admit there are so many real people on this hub.

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      Crazdwriterposted 13 years agoin reply to this

      I am definitely thinking about taking the advice you did and post my unedited first chapter as well. It would be a great way to get advice on my writing and see what people think. thanks for sharing that with me!

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    poetlorraineposted 13 years ago

    if you leave you will be back...

    You have such an active brain, that maybe you get bored easily.  I do too, and have to create attention for myself, maybe i have a.d.d. or something, i love your work and imput, so i would sob loudly if you go


  40. Jane Dee Summers profile image60
    Jane Dee Summersposted 13 years ago

    We need people like you PT.

    I always feel guilty when I've been off the hub for a couple of days.

    Has anyone seen MRVOODOO?

    1. Mrvoodoo profile image59
      Mrvoodooposted 13 years agoin reply to this

      I have. smile

      p.s. Crazdwriter, I hope you take the advice of your fellow hubbers and don't close up shop completely, keep chipping away at your own speed and whilst you probably won't get rich from this you should start to see some kind of return from your investment.

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        Crazdwriterposted 13 years agoin reply to this

        Thanks Mr. Voodoo and I will take their advice. But hey where have you been? You have been quiet on the forums.

  41. sunforged profile image74
    sunforgedposted 13 years ago

    I saw someone mention they couldnt install  MARKET SAMURAI , the problem your probably having is you have to install the adobe AIR framework on your computer first, then install MS

  42. wrenfrost56 profile image57
    wrenfrost56posted 13 years ago

    Please do not leave sad Remember if at first you don't succeed try, try and try again and then throw some more trying in for good measure. smile

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      Crazdwriterposted 13 years agoin reply to this

      lol wren all right I'll get out my big arse bag of trying and jump in.. big_smile But no worries I won't leave

  43. Jane Dee Summers profile image60
    Jane Dee Summersposted 13 years ago

    Good words WF. The pen is mightier than the sword.

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    Crazdwriterposted 13 years ago

    well then you and me blood we keep writing and trying to get more money lol even though we know that we aren't going to get much big_smile

  45. Cheri Schultz profile image61
    Cheri Schultzposted 13 years ago

    Grazdwriter - Do NOT give up.  If making money in ANY industry was easy then we would all be on easy street.  It takes hard work, perserverance and disciple.  But then again those premises relate to anything in life.  Just because we are not seeing instant results mean we need to throw in the towel... I have only been here about a month, not making much money from adsense but I am certainly not giving up.  Set a target and do everything in your power to achieve it.  Maybe change your topics if your current ones are not netting you any results.. but please reconsider, make a plan and stick with it at least a little while longer.

    Most of us want instanst gratification but sometime we are tested to see how far we can push ourselves... Stay with it, have patience.. your pot of gold is waiting at the end of your rainbow!!!

  46. lindagoffigan profile image59
    lindagoffiganposted 13 years ago

    Don't confuse posting to the forum as writing for hubpages.  You have participated greatly to the posts (well over 3,000) and that time could have gone to writing qualify, relevant hubpages.  Don't mean to be harsh here either, but if you read this post, give it a rest like one of the commenters suggested and comeback later being consistent about writing.

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      Crazdwriterposted 13 years agoin reply to this

      I actually did give it a rest on posting in here and wrote from 50 hbs up to 62 isn't about being consistent for me it's about being in the mood to write. Same thing goes with writing my stories off hubpages. Plus good ol' writers block lol and I don't confuse posting to the forums as writing for hubpages. I write here to get my name out there so others may read my was advice I got when I first joined. Plus like I had said it was fun coming to the forums but not much fun anymore

      1. tantrum profile image60
        tantrumposted 13 years agoin reply to this

        If you think the forum is not fun anymore, quit coming. Why do boring things ? Life is too short !
        but if you like to write go on doing it. You don't need the forum for that smile

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    poetlorraineposted 13 years ago

    the forums have good and bad times, hang on in there, and it will improve....... you have just the personality to make it as a writer, and of course you are personable and great at writing........ look forward to seeing you around for some time o,k,

  48. profile image0
    Crazdwriterposted 13 years ago

    Very true Tantrum but I also like chatting with way I get my ideas for either my writing or hubs...

    1. tantrum profile image60
      tantrumposted 13 years agoin reply to this

      so what's the problem ? Keep on big_smile

    2. Anti-Valentine profile image76
      Anti-Valentineposted 13 years agoin reply to this

      Crazdwriter, like others have said, you shouldn't completely close your account and go. You would have lost all that work. I know everybody says it takes time, and it does.

      I hate to say it, but I think I'd be kind of...sad, if you left. You're more normal than most hubbers here!

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        Crazdwriterposted 13 years agoin reply to this

        Normal? oh sh!t...I have to be more weird I guess then lmao. and yea Anti I would miss chatting with you if I left so no worries not going anywhere.

      2. manlypoetryman profile image79
        manlypoetrymanposted 13 years agoin reply to this

        Normal People? UUUUH...What'cha trying to say there...AV

        We is Normal!

        1. glendoncaba profile image76
          glendoncabaposted 13 years agoin reply to this

          Tell me there was no juice in that thing.  That the power cord was just a prop.  Please. 

          I think I'm going to faint.

  49. profile image0
    Crazdwriterposted 13 years ago

    It's actually a mood thing for me..sometimes I'm in the mood to write other times's really weird but I usually have to FORCE myself to write and I hate doing that because then it isn't all that great.

  50. profile image0
    Crazdwriterposted 13 years ago

    whoa MPM that is one scary picture. lmao

    1. Anti-Valentine profile image76
      Anti-Valentineposted 13 years agoin reply to this

      Definitely. People are crazy, and stupid sometimes.

      1. profile image0
        Crazdwriterposted 13 years agoin reply to this

        even though some ppl are stupid it is fun to watch them...unless in the end someone gets hurt then it's not so much fun.

        1. Anti-Valentine profile image76
          Anti-Valentineposted 13 years agoin reply to this

          Yeah, I'm a big fan of watching Destroyed in Seconds or other such similar programs on TV where big showoffs get hurt doing crazy stunts. Now that's entertainment!


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