Why Have So Many People Left?

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ryankettposted 13 years ago
Is it all to do with forum politics? The reason for Cosette leaving has just been made clear to me on the 'Pedantic Hubpages' blog post. I am somewhat dissapointed with the result of that, much more dissapointed to lose a hubber that I considered a friend for no apparent reason. A little hurt and confused actually.

But why has Wordscribe left? I know that Crazdwriter is just getting on with life, so all good there, appears upbeat on Facebook

Who else has left and why? Am I missing something big? I tend to stick my head in the sand like an ostrich when it comes to this sort of stuff....
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  Stevennix2001posted 13 years agoin reply to this
  cosette left? omg, that's terrible. she was like one of my favorite writers on here, what happened to her? where did you read this ryankett, so i can check it out sometime, as i would really like to know.
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  Joe Badtoeposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Ryan
  
  you seem like a good guy and one who'd rather do someone a good turn than a bad one. I wouldn't take things too personally. People are unpredictable and transient. Life goes on.
  
  The fact that you care about people is admirable enough.
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  bloodNrosesposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  oh please.
  
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  thisisoliposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Wordscribe has a new account!
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  bloodNrosesposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  aw, Ryan, is that what your sudden hissy fit is about? because i left and didn't tell you? well first of all, i didn't tell anyone. second of all, we were never friends, not by any stretch of the imagination. we communicated in emails, mostly about LIG. sorry but that doesn't constitute "friend" in my Universe.
  
  now, i have been doing a bit of thinking about all this (trust me, all i intend to do after this, as i have work waiting).
  
  you posted something to me over at pedantic hubpages that only several ninjas knew. so i started thinking about that last night after you told me i was "a joke". then upon further reflection, i recalled that several ninjas moved in real life about the same time that you did, which made me suspect you are several ninjas. i have no concrete proof, but the hubteam knows who everyone is so i am sure they can find out.
  
  now, THIS i have proof of: Darkside IS in fact several ninjas. someone hacked my email account and deleted some of his emails to me.
  
  but not all.
  
  severalninjas also hates LIG and he wrote a hub lampooning her poetry then swore to her in his comments that it was not about her. but i have emails to prove that he is severalninjas. severalninjas is good chums with wordscribe and she has known all along who he is, and she knows he hates (yet fears) LIG, yet she is pals with him. in what Universe is that being a friend to poor kimmy, hmm?
  
  i challenge hubpages to deny that severalninjas is not you..they can see everyone's IP, even yours.
  
  well i am sure hubpages will ban me for life for this but who cares? my mission is complete and i feel great!
  
  well, i must head out. unlike you i can't sit around eating bonbons and watching the soaps all day. hey let me know what happens on today's rerun of Law & Order, ok? happy "hubbing".
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  WryLiltposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  I'm confused. Does that mean Darkside is Ryankett?
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  EmpressFelicityposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  
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  ryankettposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Why don't you start by telling me what it is that only 'Several Ninjas' knew (whoever Several Ninjas is, according to BadCo it is your best friend ).
  
  And then finish by explaining how the hell I am supposed to be Several Ninjas if you have proof that Several Ninjas is Darkside?
  
  I am happy for any member of Hubpages staff to confirm that I am not the hubber known as 'Several Ninjas', or "deny that several ninjas is not you", if that is beneficial to your mental health. I would perhaps suggest professional help though.
  
  I am also happy for them to confirm that I am not Darkside. Hell, I would even be happy for them to reveal all of my accounts; you may be pleasantly suprised to discover that I don't use any sock puppets - at least not for forum or comments use.
  
  Go ahead, email them this thread, let them confirm. Preferably publicly.
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  Uninvited Writerposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Someone hacked your email account just to delete those messages? Boy, they are really out to get you aren't they?
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  EmpressFelicityposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  OK.... I've a feeling I might regret asking this, but...
  
  Why would someone like Darkside be afraid of Kimberly/Lyrics? He doesn't strike me as the type who would be afraid of someone on an Internet forum.
  
  And before you ask: I don't know Kimberly, I've hardly ever spoken to her, so I'm not taking sides. I just think that either there is some massive stuff going on behind the scenes that people like me don't know about, or you are putting two and two together and making 86. Like in that thread when you asked why the score on one of your hubs had plummeted, thinking that people were voting it down in droves. When in fact it couldn't have possibly been anything to do with that since from what I gather, down votes (if they happen at all) have little if any effect on a hub's score.
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  darksideposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Thank you for the interesting email you sent me. You told me not to mail back, so technically I'm not by making this post.
  
  You brought up a few interesting points, which seem to be pushing the boundaries of delusion and paranoia. I'll respond to a few of the points here:
  
  1) I am not Ryan Kett. Though he's a very nice guy.
  2) I am not a HubPages employee. Nor do I have some kind of special power that can get a profile and hubs purged from the Google Cache within 12 to 24 hours.
  3) I don't hack peoples email accounts to delete my correspondence with them. Truth be told, I don't know how to hack anything.
  4) Wordscribe is not Fatal Ninja.
  
  I wish you all the best for the future, and take care.
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  ryankettposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  YES!
  
  A compliment with my real name in it! I had considered asking people to interview me, just like the Bard Of Ely, to improve my search engine footprint
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  frogdroppingposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  You need Darkside to tell you that? You have your random moments, which everyone's allowed (and yours are kinda spectacular ) but you're a regular hard working guy that is respected for being just that.
  
  Ryan Kett is a decent guy. That works hard. Now you've been told twice RK
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  ryankettposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  I don't usually need anybody to tell me that, I have plenty of self esteem, I just placed myself firmly on the firing line in that Pedantic blog it seems... but hey, we all have things that we regret! Thanks though!
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  Joy56posted 13 years agoin reply to this
  we will have to get a thread going for you again..... There is only one Ryan..... ha ha.
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  Daniel Carterposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  I already told him that, so no redundancy here.
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  relacheposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  When you look at how many people use HubPages, an extremely small number of people have chosen to leave, but that minority has done so while screaming at the top of their lungs and has continued to do so after their departure.
  
  Nothing "big" or out of the ordinary is happening.
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  ryankettposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  I actually reflected upon this and said that to somebody over email.
  
  In fact, I acknowledged in that email that this vocal minority - who choose to leave without dignity - are in fact succeeding in gaining the attention that they so clearly crave.
  
  And for that reason, I do regret starting this thread. The likelyhood is that some of these individuals "win" in their own strange little way.
  
  I have left dozens of sites without even really thinking about it. Instead, I simply 'forget' that they even ever existed. Occassionally my head suddenly remembers a URL and may login for a quick reminisce, but I suspect that there are plenty of sites that I forget forever.
  
  I certainly never 'go back' so to speak. And if I ever wasted my time seeking to denounce a site, I certainly wouldn't return to it.
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  Bill Manningposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  NOW you get it! Forums and the people on them are a dime a dozen. Crap happens all day long on thousands of forums. Most of the stuff on forums is just that, stuff,, fluffy stuff!
  
  Use forums to help others and to gain knowledge. Ignore the fluff, you could spend 24/7 fighting others, as you see some do. You have a life, no need to get into soap opera stuff.
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Mighty Momposted 13 years ago
People leave her for any number of reasons.
Have you had a conversation directly with Cosette about her feelings?
Wordscribe was here as recently as a few days ago. Or so I thought....

In the two years since I've been here (and you've been here the same amount of time) I've seen a LOT of hubbers I enjoyed disappear. A few eventually come back. Most do not.
Meantime, there have been a LOT of cool new hubbers joining.
So it's a dynamic community in more ways than one!
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  ryankettposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Cosette has made her feelings very well known publicly it seems. She had decided to end our friendship a while back, something unbeknown to me until about an hour ago, so 'yes' and 'no'. Directly in a very public sense, not in a private sense. It has left me somewhat confused and a little upset in all honesty.
  
  But anyway, this is about other people who have left? I emailed MOW yesterday to check that she is OK. Still awaiting a response, but I cross my fingers.
  
  Well I'm staying anyway, I can't afford to delete my hubs
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  wordscribe43posted 13 years agoin reply to this
  I'm sorry you're dealing with the public debacle I am over there. It's a sick pissing match with very cruel and aggressive attacks on me and other hubbers. I feel for you as I am in a similar position, although frankly, mine is worse.
  
  I am still here, ryan. I just don't come into the forums much... I hope you are well, you most certainly ARE a respected hubber who has a LOT to be proud of.
  
  AKA: The simpering worm from the Pacific Northwest.
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  DoorMattnomoreposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Ive heard from MOW. she is ok, but maybe in need of positive thoughts to be sent her way.
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couturepopcafeposted 13 years ago
I haven't been here very long but one thing I do see is the amount of venom in the religious and political forums. If these hubbers got involved in them, they may have just been disgusted with the perceived caliber of people here.

It's a little tough to stay out of the forums, though. It's interesting and infuriating at the same time even if you don't respond to any of it.

I don't know what chat rooms are like today, but there was a time when a person was blocked from chatting if they became verbally offensive. There are a few people who enter the forums simply to antagonize. They are continually confrontational and aggressive. Just a thought.
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  ryankettposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  The staff do ban people quite frequently, unfortunately it is far too easy for people to set up multiple accounts - and these can go undetected for a while.
  
  I was banned for 4 months, after calling somebody a 'C' word - as an example. He was a 'C' word though, so it was worth it
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  Wendy Krickposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  LOL!
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rebekahELLEposted 13 years ago
people don't get their way, or get hurt, or decide to move on. I was disappointed to read cosettes words.. but people go through things and tend to blame first. and make another profile.

I don't go back to those sites because it's just people complaining. that is their choice, everyone has to live their life the way they want to. but I don't like the blame game.

wordscribe is back.
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  ryankettposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  I didn't intentionally seek out the site.
  
  I actually googled my name. Unfortunately it was my name with the space in the middle, and it was on the second page of Google.
  
  It said that I was a 'tool'. It was nice of the anonymous critic to leave that footprint for me wasn't it?
  
  I subsequently got involved after another poster had stated that Darkside is 'arrogant'. I felt the need to refute that, as Glen is one of the nicest and most impartial hubbers imaginable.
  
  Much more patient, impartial, and less arrogant than me I must add.
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  NightEmpressposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Skyfire says :
  
  "REAL WS will never prefer to write hubs on staff, celebs etc. if i remember.
  
  So yes, NEW WS43 !=Kimberly
  
  Ethical debates are more fun man "
  
  And I know you know it's true.Just as everybody else.
  So don't help to deceive the rest of the hubbers who are new.
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  skyfireposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Read Susana's Comment :
  
  http://hubpages.com/forum/post/1263599
  
  Just keeping eyes open from now on in any case.
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  NightEmpressposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Well. I tried to get in touch with wordscribe 41 via her e-mail , which I have, and it doesn't exist anymore. So there's no way to prove that this wordscribe is the same as WS41. It doesn't sound like her at all.
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paradigmsearchposted 13 years ago
"Why Have So Many People Left?"

You have my attention.
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Benjimesterposted 13 years ago
I was bummed about Cosette too. Though probably not seeing CrisA anymore is the biggest bummer for me.
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  ryankettposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  He was a good poet, didn't even know that he had left.
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  Benjimesterposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  He still has an account, just never uses it.
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rebekahELLEposted 13 years ago
that's sad. I read some of it and clicked off of it after a while. actually it was in a link in a hub that I found it. personally I wouldn't give that link any traffic from a hub.

people say bad things when they're hurt or bitter.
you're clearly not a tool and inspire many of us... and Glen is a very nice person who has and continues to help so many people.
wordscribe is wordscribe 43.

[sorry, I'm writing while I'm distracted watching Paul and Ringo talk about the Beatles]
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lrohnerposted 13 years ago
Wow! This is the first time I saw that post and those comments. I just read (part) of them, and I am shocked. I really liked Pam a lot.

Ryan--I felt like I was watching a friendship dissolve as I read the last part of that thread. So sad...
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  ryankettposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  That's two in two weeks for me, I had better started making some more
  
  Although I still have a great deal of respect for the 'other' one of the two, I think most people do, we just grew apart a bit.
  
  This one did really dissapoint me though, definitely. Life goes on though, and this site evolves.
  
  Perhaps most importantly my earnings keep going up too
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  lrohnerposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Ha! Laughing all the way to the bank IS the best revenge, after all.
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Mishaposted 13 years ago
MOW is doing well, I keep in touch with her almost on daily basis.
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  glendoncabaposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Hey Misha's got a new photograph. New to me at least.
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  blondepoetposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Roar!!!!!!!!!!!
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paradigmsearchposted 13 years ago
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Bill Manningposted 13 years ago
I've been posting on forums for years. I currently post on over a dozen forums of all kinds.

Forums are just that, forums. People come and go. Most people never stick around a forum for longer than 6 months or so.

After a while they see how much time they waste on them, how they should be doing other things. Or they get bored, or upset, or whatever,,,

I post mainly for business reasons, asking web related questions and so on. I try to not really get too friendly with anyone on a forum because,, as I said, they come and go.

It's like a bar, you have people you know but you really don't know them and they really are not your friends. Not trying to be rude, just the facts on internet life.
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tritrainposted 13 years ago
I haven't left.

In fact, I really just got here.
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mega1posted 13 years ago
there ARE a variety of reasons hubbers leave - some with anger, some just because life gets in the way - and some because they get sensitized to the forum muddles and puddles.

I think in general - cyber life, being unreal and completed formed by egos and head trips is kind of prone to sudden upsets, conflagrations and departures. It's so easy sometimes to just write it all off and flounce off in a huff or just get bored and tired and wilt away.

I am in the process of wilting lately - I cannot get too interested or involved, but I have the habit of sitting in front of the computer and I haven't found a replacement for the hp forums so you all are stuck with me until I win the lottery and move to Papeete. I miss some people who used to be here, miss them quite a lot, which is weird since most of them I only knew for a couple months, but there's absolutely nothin I can do about it anyway. We try to entertain each other and be helpful and give good info, but lots of times I expect an awful lot for my 0$!!! I've watched people get insulted over such tiny things really, that in "reality" would probably not upset them so much. Sometimes people need a good fight - you know? in order to be sure that they can still feel things.

Other than all that - I don't know.
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  SomewayOuttaHereposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  ...i'm glad you haven't won the lottery yet and where the heck is Papeete?
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  couturepopcafeposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  me and someway want to go with - to Papeete that is. I promise no infighting.
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  mega1posted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Papeete is the capital city of Tahiti - I don't plan to live there - because its a city - but just find a little village somewhere in Tahiti where I can be sans technology and relax for the rest of my days! You guys can come too, but first I have to win the lottery - so I won't have to work when I get there. I plan to paint like Gauguin and make exquisite things and then have a big show of my art in New York and when I'm famous just drop everything and go back to my little Tahitian village where there will be young brown men waiting to wait on me! woooohoooo! I just got another hot flash! feels kinda good sometimes, you know? whew!
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  glendoncabaposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Well said.
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rebekahELLEposted 13 years ago
I think when people who leave lash out at the site, whether lashing out at the staff or specific hubbers, there's some under lying issue to trigger such anger. otherwise, you would just leave and move on to something else. but clearly some pal up somewhere else and take it to an extreme. it's another reason to watch who you befriend online.
resentment is really hard to mask. people makes themselves a victim. I guess it's a sad fact of life, both online and offline.
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Mighty Momposted 13 years ago
Wow. I had no idea that site even existed and kinda wish I hadn't checked it out.
A lot of bad blood there.
Sooooo much negative energy expended in putting down Hub Pages and certain hubbers.
Why the fixation on "outing" people's alter identities?
Why the fixation with Hub Pages at all?
If you wanna go, go.
Go make all that money you were "deprived of" by wasting your time on HP.
Go hang around with "real" writers, since we don't have any here.

ryankett (no space) -- I can't say I know how it feels to be publicly dissed as a friend like you have been.
Please know you are respected and valued here by many people. MM
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  ryankettposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  MM, Congrats on 100 hubs
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Mighty Momposted 13 years ago
Stop stocking me, ryankett
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  ryankettposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  
  I didn't really understand that reference (on the pedantic blog), I certainly hope that it wasn't related to one of my hubpages! I am a habitual spellchecker!
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justmesuzanneposted 13 years ago
I've just never gotten involved. It's just all too complicated for me. There are too many places to post things, and it's too hard to find a conversation once it's been posted. Being involved in the community here just doesn't seem very user friendly to me, so I just leave comments on people's hubs and respond to comments on mine. It's all I can keep up with. Maybe others who have left felt the same way.
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  Disturbiaposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  I stayed out of the forums for a long time for that very reason, I just couldn't make heads or tails out of it and I was busy writing, venting actually in my hubs. It was therapy for me and just about all I could handle.
  
  Then I had some time to figure out the forums and now I make my comments when I feel I have something to contribute and I could care less if anybody else likes or dislikes what I have to say.
  
  I've see several times when people have been "bullied" away and I don't understand it. For some reason they feel they are being picked on or bullied and they leave. I suppose I haven't been paying much attention to it, but I guess I have noticed that certain people aren't around anymore.
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Anna Marie Bowmanposted 13 years ago
WOW! I am speechless. I had no idea some of the stuff that was going on around here during my absence. To see some of the horrible things said by people I at one time considered my friends...I am in shock! I started reading through the posts here, and had no idea what was going on. I had to see it for myself. I won't give them the time of day, or even waste my time telling them how I feel. It would clearly do no good.
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  Website Examinerposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Some links would be very helpful.
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  wordscribe43posted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Just google: hubpages sucks. I don't want another backlink to that horrific site.
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  Mishaposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  http://hubpages.com/forum/topic/35949
  
  Sorry Wordscribe, we cross-posted
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  wordscribe43posted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Darn you, Misha. Taking away all my glory: ME ME ME!!!
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  Mishaposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  LOL You were still the first ♥
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  kimberlyslyricsposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  OK Officially pissed and noted!
  
  [wait, did I say that out loud? iios i hate ws!xo]
  
  Why are people saying Cosette left?
  
  She made it crystal clear of her other personas,
  
  she's here the whole time just renewed it as it 'no longer existed' under same name, different spelling-she wants this persona to be known as her dark side.
  
  http://hubpages.com/profile/bloodNroses
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Website Examinerposted 13 years ago
Thanks wordscribe43 and Misha. I was thinking about links to the forum; I am familiar with that "other" place.
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  wordscribe43posted 13 years agoin reply to this
  They're pretty easy to find, WE. Sadly for myself and others.
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Beth100posted 13 years ago
I can't speak for the ones who have left, though for me, I have contemplated it several times. Reasons being: 1. harassed by trolls; 2. attacked by others for no other reason than our opinions didn't agree; and 3. for being accused of wrong doings when it wasn't me.

I have noticed that another 2 have left within the last 24 hours....

And Ryan, you are respected my many, as are many others here.
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  SomewayOuttaHereposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  ...hey, that's too bad...can't imagine you saying something to make someone harass or attack or whatever....especially a nice Canadian woman!
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  TransScribblerposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Chances are that there will be at least one more in the next 24 hours.
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  Stevennix2001posted 13 years agoin reply to this
  im sorry to hear about that beth. i know hubpages wouldn't be the same if you ever left us, as we'd miss you too much around here.
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cindyvineposted 13 years ago
In my time here I've seen many come and go, some who leave do turn nasty but that is their problem. I'm not as active on here as I once was. But that is because of me and not because of fellow hubbers or hubpages as a site. It's because life and my writing has got in the way. I've since become principal of the primary school and that takes up a lot of time. I'm just finishing of my fourth book since I joined hubpages and getting ready to start a fifth. For me it's all about not having enough time, and of course the slow unstable internet connection over here! Cris A has taken time off to work on some projects. He'll be back I'm sure. I know it's hard not to take it personally when they slag you off on other sites, but seriously, look on it as their problem and you keep doing what you know you're good at.
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Sunny Robinsonposted 13 years ago
Oh WOW.

That is SO mean. I felt sick reading that. Some of the hubbers that posted there, I thought they were kind and wise until I read that. Sorry, ryan and wordscribe. =/

Edited to add: Wow, shoot, I didn't realize that was all old news.
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  wordscribe43posted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Thanks, Sunny. And yes, it's cruel beyond words. And people wonder why I left?
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  ryankettposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Hi wordscibe43, would be really grateful if you could remove your last post RE: my comments (not this one).
  
  I will explain someday, don't worry
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  wordscribe43posted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Which one?
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  ryankettposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Don't worry, you already have
  
  Posts crossed
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WryLiltposted 13 years ago
I cracked myself laughing when I first read the reference to myself in the pedantic post.

Only an idiot would think that I was Marisa Wright's sockpuppet. I mean seriously. Detective work?

And only an idiot would believe what they read in those posts - it's blindingly obvious that most of the posters have major anger issues and are too busy nitpicking the small stuff to worry about the important stuff.

However, I got a good referral off that blog so can't complain...
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  EmpressFelicityposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  I know, I spluttered coffee all over my monitor when I read that one LOL.
  
  It's weird but you see it time and time again - it's always the most avid sockpuppets who are the first to come out and accuse other people of being sockpuppets.
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  couturepopcafeposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  What's a sockpuppet? Reference. (I actually made a typo when I typed in sockpuppu - maybe accurate?)
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  EmpressFelicityposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  It's when someone with a main ID on a site like this one creates a new, fake ID.
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  ryankettposted 13 years agoin reply to this
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  DoorMattnomoreposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  http://hubpages.com/hub/The-Sock-Puppet-Song
  
  http://hubpages.com/question/53004/what … ock-puppet
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logic,commonsenseposted 13 years ago
Hubbers may come,
and hubbers may go,
and hubbers may peter out you know.
But we'll be hubbers through thick and thin,
peter out or peter in!
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Joe Badtoeposted 13 years ago
I got bored reading the tiresome attacks on hubbers and hub pages. Bitterness is like measles it spreads quickly. That was one of my worst analogies.

Seems to me there's a lot of sensitive folk who take stuff too seriously. I enjoy sarcasm in some of my answers to forum topics but I'm equally happy receiving sarcasm it doesn't bother me. This is an online forum and not everyone agrees on everything. The reality is that most of us are never likely to meet in person which perhaps why some people make venomous attacks but for me I like the idea of meeting virtual friends who share the same ideals. Those who are the opposite of my ideals will of course qualify for gentle ridicule.

The guy on that other site just sounds pathetic as do his fellow critics.

Life goes on folks and we can always ignore personal insults.
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blondepoetposted 13 years ago
Yea I know, I miss so many people especially Goldentoad, I loved that guy, had such fun with him.
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skyfireposted 13 years ago
Sick Sockpuppet game from past.

http://hubpages.com/forum/topic/35820?page=2

REAL WS will never prefer to write hubs on staff, celebs etc. if i remember.

So yes, NEW WS43 !=Kimberly

Ethical debates are more fun man
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  rebekahELLEposted 13 years agoin reply to this
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  Susana Sposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  I don't believe that's the case. I know wordscribe quite well and we've had email coms both when she was on her old account and new. She has the same real name and sounds the same to me, so unless I'm missing something I'm pretty sure she's not a kimberly sockpuppet.
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  rebekahELLEposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  I don't know... no, definitely not kl..
  
  I hope you're right. I like her a lot. we communicated during the first health hub challenge.
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  NightEmpressposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  The old e-mail doesn't exist anymore.
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  kimberlyslyricsposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  But you keep saying I am wordscribe43 as the old worscribe41 is not the same and Iam the entire reason she left.
  
  Check This.
  
  ok
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  kimberlyslyricsposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Thank you, cool
  
  Glad you didn't ask, before trying to ignite a
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Mrvoodooposted 13 years ago
In reference to 'Pedantic HubPages', personally I felt that mixed in with all the drivel, there were some pretty solid observations.
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  skyfireposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  For example?
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  Mrvoodooposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  I'll be keeping the details of why I found it amusing to myself, I know how quick some HP forum regulars can be to close ranks and attack. No different what-so-ever to those on the other site, it just depends on what side of the fence you're stood.
  
  All I'm saying is that some of it did make me chuckle.
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  DoorMattnomoreposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Mr V. I get it completly. remeber when you snipped my comment?
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  Mrvoodooposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Vaguely. lol, But I can't remember why?
  
  EDIT - I think I remember now, you thought I'd really snipped it somehow.
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  DoorMattnomoreposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  I had forgotten about it, but this reminded me of it. Cuz..it had a "naughty word' in it hahhaaa....masturbation threads kept getting shut down.
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  Mrvoodooposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  LOL, that was it.
  
  There's not enough masturbation threads in the forums these days.
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  DoorMattnomoreposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  I know it. Too much God and double standards and stuff.
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  skyfireposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Me too! i forgot about that blog after few weeks. Just checked because it was mentioned here.
  
  did you noticed comment below lita's post? that made me fall off chair. lol. uber pwn.
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  Mrvoodooposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  'did you noticed comment below lita's post? that made me fall off chair. lol. uber pwn.'
  
  LOL, yeah, that was by far the best bit. But the entire thing is comedy gold.
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  DoorMattnomoreposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  oh no.....your hubs are going to be voted down now...you too skyfire!!!
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  Mrvoodooposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Uh-oh, and that means I'm going to earn less money now, right?
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  DoorMattnomoreposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  probably, but if all your fans ban together and keep voting up up up, you might be ok.
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  skyfireposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Oh noes. i'z sad nw
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  DoorMattnomoreposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Im sorry, if it really happens Ill make a "lets huge defend skyfire" thread to cheer you up. or maybe this could cher you up? makes me laugh anyway...
  
  <watermarked image snipped>
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  DoorMattnomoreposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  glad I could help.
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  DoorMattnomoreposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  the whole TK/Lita thing is wierd....
  
  and sort of made me laugh, sorry if that makes me evil...
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  EmpressFelicityposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Made me laugh too - if you asked me, they deserved each other. And of the two, I'd say that TK had the lion's share of (a) common sense and (b) intelligence.
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  DoorMattnomoreposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  I dont actually know them, just what crazy stuff I've seen written when people get angry, its just seems to be alot of people who get mad about what someone is saying/doing/thinking but then they turn around and do the same thing!!
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  kerrygposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Regardless of who was smarter or had more common sense, though, TK was a troll whose entire purpose in joining this site was to be disruptive, while Lita had some very high quality and interesting hubs to her name. She shouldn't have allowed herself to be drawn into ad hominem attacks against him, but I still think the whole situation was badly handled by HP staff.
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  Mrvoodooposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  LOL, yeah it was pretty entertaining. I laughed out loud when TK turned up beneath Lita. I bet she wasn't expecting that.
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  DoorMattnomoreposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  people are nuts, all over I guess. I know it sucks cuz some real nice people have gotten hurt, but some of it is just funny. All you would have to do is not respond...ya know?
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  Disturbiaposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  What's 'Pedantic HubPages'???????????
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  LSKingposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  that poor sock puppet...lol
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Jasmine JellyBabyposted 13 years ago
well I only joined here yesterday so that doesn't good that people are leaving.. should I be sacred?
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  DoorMattnomoreposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  nah. stay out of the politics and religion forums if you have thin skin at all. This is a huge site with lots of people. Most are really nice and helpful. People come and go for tons of reasons. Dont worry about it, and welcome to HP!!
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  blondepoetposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  No way. Do not be scared. You just get in there and do your thing. Sock it to the world.
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  logic,commonsenseposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  You can sock it to me any time BP!
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  blondepoetposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Oh it's my baby Logic!!!!!
  I could give you a Chinese back massage with my 6 inch stilhettos too with that as well.
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  logic,commonsenseposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  I am up for that! More ways than one!
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  SomewayOuttaHereposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  ...ha ha ha....nite all!.....6 inches of luv...there must be more.....i say!
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  blondepoetposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Hahaha night sweet pea. xox
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  blondepoetposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Yea baby yea!!!!!
  Only you can make this world seem right bop bop de bop
  Only you can make the darkness bright dop dee dop dop
  Only you and you alone
  Can thrill me like you do
  And fill my heart with love for only you dum dum dee dah.....
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  logic,commonsenseposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  My feelings exactly! You are always so good at putting it into just the right words BP! A gorgeous mind to go with a gorgeous bod!
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  blondepoetposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Awwwwwww can I kiss you for that. Pucker up baby!!!!!
  
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  logic,commonsenseposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  That's very nice, but how about a little tongue?
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  blondepoetposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  You will get more than that I promise you
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  logic,commonsenseposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  You can email me the details!
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Uninvited Writerposted 13 years ago
I always have to laugh that people always assume that everyone who disagrees with them is in a clique and go out of their way to vote them down, etc. Remember when Mandy Beau said that we all emailed each other to come to the forum and jump on her?

And Cosette never believed HubPages when they told her that people voting down her hubs did not affect the scores and the money she might earn. I also have to laugh that she keeps saying she doesn't care but keeps posting...

I don't have time do all this stuff, I'm more concerned about my own writing. That is why I stayed out of the forum for so long...

Some people are so used to going to forums where everyone agrees with them that when they find a lot of people who disagree with them they assume it's some sort of conspiracy.
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  DoorMattnomoreposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  paranioa runs amuck.
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  skyfireposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Stick to your writing UW. When people get lots of time from life,office,home chore then such stuff happens. Just laugh it out and forget it.
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CASE1WORKERposted 13 years ago
skyfire- totally useful advice.

i realised that it was right to stay out of the religious forums when I made a light hearted post ( the vicar would have approved) the venemous attacks I got were horrid
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Bill Manningposted 13 years ago
If anyone here thinks stuff that gets said around here is bad, you should belong to an adult forum!

I'm the top poster on one, and you can say any word, post any picture you want on there. Throw in the fact that you get many rough cut newbies with thin skin and you get an explosive situation!

You can't take ANYTHING on a forum seriously. It's all just people from all over the world venting, having fun or trying to feel better about themselves by hiding behind their computer.

If you can't take it, don't go to forums. I've never understood why this place has a political and religious section.

Most forums outright ban any post about the two. This should be a constructive forum that helps everyone with their writing, how to earn money and how to help each other learn more.

Instead it looks often like high school gossip notes and "I'm gonna git ya back" childish crap. Ok enough said, back to work.
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  EmpressFelicityposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  I'd hate that, myself. I'm quite happy with having a political and a religious forum here (I just keep right out of the latter and only participate in the former if I feel like it).
  
  If anyone doesn't like religion or politics, they can always keep out of those two forums. Seemples.
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CASE1WORKERposted 13 years ago
i agree am going to publish a hub.....
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Lily Roseposted 13 years ago
Wow - just came across this thread and all this is news to me - about people who have recently left, that is. I just don't keep up, I guess, which is probably a good thing.

I can only assume that those who have left are not really here to make money, which is fine. My reason for coming here to HP and staying here is to make money, so childish behaviors and other crap that happens here in the forums does not affect me, nor would it ever. I don't spend a ton of time here in the forums and when I do I mostly get involved in Hubbing-related discussions...

I don't mean to offend anyone, but it's simply childish to pack up and run based on something that was said in a forum thread - it's not real life! I just don't get it.
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  Disturbiaposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  I have to agree with you on this one. Who cares what anybody here says about anything. Does it effect your real life? It doesn't mine. Doesn't pay my bills, doesn't raise my children, doesn't keep my business going and if somebody annoys me, I just click my mouse and poof, it's all gone and I'm watching the latest Lady Gaga video on YouTube with my daughter. Why would anyone let any of this effect them on a personal level?
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  IntimatEvolutionposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  After going on that blog and reading some of the stuff former hubbers like cosette wrote, yeah I think it does effect their real lives.
  
  I was pretty taken back by it all as well.
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  ralwusposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  It's not so much about what they say, it's how they go about it by hounding someone on their hubs and by email among other things.
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  skyfireposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Except that lady gaga part, i agree with you completely.
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  frogdroppingposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Your statement was definitely my daily 'lol' moment in what is otherwise a fairly cringe worthy thread
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  mega1posted 13 years agoin reply to this
  cringe worthy - another zinger!
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  frogdroppingposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  There have been others?
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  mega1posted 13 years agoin reply to this
  oh yeah, there have been others, many others, but my short term memory (and long-term, as well!) is shot to shite so I can't tell you what they are. People here are awfully funny, and some are also awfully nice, and I even like the delusional ones! Life is more interesting because of all us delusional and creative and badass people - cringe worthy also!
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thooghunposted 13 years ago
This is all entirely too serious.

I object!
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I got an alert in email about this thread and I am not happy at all about that. I hate to get involved in all the drama. I recall badcompany trying my patience in the forum. He did all he could to piss me off enough to say something to him to get me banned. But I would not play his game.
Also, I remember the women that were genuinely hurt by this (there were too many for me to remember), MOW being one of them, and it has happened again.
TK was alright and Lita was too, she was just a little too condescending at times as she was more intelligent than anyone else.
I did enjoy some of it, but not when people are so hurt. So just be careful when you realize what a troll or sockpuppet is up too. Best thing is to just ignore them.
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  DoorMattnomoreposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  The thing is, you can say its not real life, and for the most part its not. But some people are good at finding kind, caring, sensitive, trusting people, and exploiting that. They get you to believe in them, feel bad for them, try to "help" and next thing you know...your not a firend anymore becuase you didnt take some side or other. They follow you around insulting you and purposely hurting. Its wrong, this behaviour, and it is alos not really anythgin to do with hubpages. Sure, HP might be where the "stalkers" find fresh young women to follow. But I dont see that its HP's fault that miserable people exist.
  
  the whole "I hate hubpages" and flounceing is a completely different story.
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  Lisa HWposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  If people were hurt I apologize for finding it so funny (and I'm dead serious about that). That's the thing, though - sometimes people (like me) do live in their "oblivious little bubble" and not know what's going on, so they view goings-on as outsiders. My main reason for posting was to post as one of those outsiders, just to kind of let other outsiders (and new people) know that being a member of HubPages doesn't necessarily mean getting into all that "group upset".
  
  I've deleted the post about how hilarious I found the whole thing.
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  ryankettposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Being oblivious is the best way to be, and the way that I try to be too.
  
  I forgot about that Pedantic Hubpages blog for months and months, it was only when searching my name that I found it.
  
  Unfortunately, difficult to move on without defending your reputation and the reputation of others at that point
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  DoorMattnomoreposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  what I was trying to say before is, the people getting hurt are seperate from the obvious flounces.(and the I hate hp thingy..not the same story) Some of it is pretty funny! the hurt stuff (I think) isnt all that public. well...some of it was a while back..but not now. A lot of the stalking and nastiness is done thru email and the odd vicious comment on a hub.
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rebekahELLEposted 13 years ago
?? oh my... we are online, we don't know.

everyone, enjoy your weekend.
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prettydarkhorseposted 13 years ago
I don't know but then to my mind, tantrum, Hokey, lyricsngray, cosette and wordscribe 41 42 43 have stories to share,
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wordscribe43posted 13 years ago
Alright... What can I DO to set the record straight here? Skyfire: Ogenki desu ka?

I am me, moi, myself and I. If you check my profile you will see my winning hub from the Health contest. It's now called Tried and True Weight Loss Methods. Very long story, but it used to be called: Free Weight Loss Tips from a Recovered Dieter. Go check it out for yourself. http://hubpages.com/forum/topic/36846?page=30

Another one of my nominated hubs is also on my profile. So as not to promote, it has to do with workouts that take 30 minutes.

I AM NOT KIMBERLY!!!!!! I think the confusion potentially comes from the fact that it was well-known she and I had our differences. Well, the two of us have let bygones be bygones, we've moved on. That's what I'm trying to do here.

My new hub was for FUN... grins and chuckles, and all. I do that sometimes, people who followed my writing know that side of me. Anyone I followed and commented on can check my IP and you will see I'm the same wordscribe41!

Now, I will go put up my old avatar of me with the coffee mug, if that helps.
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  ryankettposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Worscribe, welcome back
  
  Just a tip.... invest in a little $20 flash drive and save all of your hubs in word format on that.
  
  If you feel the need to leave again, you have all of your content to either reupload on this site or another site Seems a shame to let all those hours of writing go to waste!
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  wordscribe43posted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Mannnnnnnnn. Thank you, Ryan.
  
  Now back to my fertile Pacific Northwest soil!
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  prettydarkhorseposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  I checked your one hub too and I saw lunch exercise and I really think its you, welcome back again wordscribe
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  wordscribe43posted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Thank you. Here I will go comment on one of your hubs, you can compare my IP's since I know I commented on your hubs during the contest.
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  prettydarkhorseposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  No need, I know it is you, I can't be wrong, I used to read your work so I know and familiar with it.
  I am glad you're back -- you are one of the good writers here!
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  skyfireposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  O kaeri nasai, Wordscribe.
  
  hisa shi bu ri.
  
  Sorry for that post. I really got into all this mess ya know.
  
  Again i apologize for that.
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  wordscribe43posted 13 years agoin reply to this
  No worries, it's next to impossible to know who is really who here.
  
  ohisashiburi desu ne, skyfire.
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  DoorMattnomoreposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  its hard, especially if you've been tricked before.... the whole place has gone mad!!!
  
  I remember when I left once, I had to prove to somebody that I wasnt Misha when I came back...
  
  http://hubpages.com/forum/topic/20470?page=2#post332310
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  wordscribe43posted 13 years agoin reply to this
  OHHHHHHHHH, ha ha ha. Misha? Too funny. It's good to see you, I've put it all together now. Glad you're back.
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  DoorMattnomoreposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  me too.
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  wyanjenposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Why howdy there - great to see you back.
  
  I've been away myself and I popped in today to catch up on the doin's.
  Perfect timing
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  Cagsilposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Hey Jen, hope you're well and smiling. It's great to see you.
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  wyanjenposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  You bet I'm smiling! It's a gorgeous day.
  
  It's great to see you're smiling face too.
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  wordscribe43posted 13 years agoin reply to this
  I was just thinking about you... wondering where you were. Knowing you could back me up as myself when you turned my coffee mug green for St. Patty's day. SOOO glad to see you!!
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  wyanjenposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  HA!
  
  That thought crossed my mind as I read through this thread
  
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ryankettposted 13 years ago
EmpressFelicity, can you delete your post, I have just deleted mine

I have sent you an email x
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  DoorMattnomoreposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  ooops, should I delete mine to make it all gone? or are you talking about something else.... I never could have been a spy...this is all way too mcuh!!!!
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ryankettposted 13 years ago
worscribe43 and doornamatore, could you delete those posts? I am trying to get rid of reference to my post. Having just 'twigged'.

Thanks x
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  DoorMattnomoreposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  ha, no prob, just missed this post...hang on!!!
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  wordscribe43posted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Done. Glad you've untwigged.
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  ryankettposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Many thanks
  
  All will be explained one day, not just yet, but thank you.
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  wordscribe43posted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Good news, I don't think I need an explanation at all, Ryan. No worries!
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rebekahELLEposted 13 years ago
there she is. I hope you took no offense by my wonderings..
the net is so full of entanglements and all the little spider webs.
I'm really happy you're back.
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  wordscribe43posted 13 years agoin reply to this
  TOTALLY understand. I can't tell you what I've been through along these same lines. As a friend said: it's a case of alter ego mistaken identity. Heck, happens all the time (strangely).
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IntimatEvolutionposted 13 years ago
Ryan, kudos to you my English pal. Well done. You are a terrific writer, who I happen to admire because of your strengths, even though I often disagree with you.

I think some people forget that a debate is a debate. That's all it is. However, the controversial wrangling often turns into a personal vendetta. Imagine if all our lawyers and judges acted this way. Personally, this is what is wrong with America right now. Bitterness, hate, and more hate.

Nevertheless Ryan- after reading some very disturbing posts, in which I found you defending hubpages feverishly, I must say good for you. You have stood your ground, you have not gotten personal, and have maintained your position with great integrity. It is not often that we come across people with such high character merit. It must be an English trait.

By the way- who gives a poop who you have befriended on your facebook account. IT IS YOUR account. Friend who you like- this isn't grade school. Why you found yourself, having to defend your facebook account, on Pedantic Hubpages should tell you just how ridiculous some people are and can be. Talk about "self esteem" issues. That was C R A Z Y! But good for you. You were rather polite and nice about it, and you didn't have to be.
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wordscribe43posted 13 years ago
I actually remember that now. I was like what the ...??? I was the one who figured out you left, in fact!
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  DoorMattnomoreposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  I know. I remeber being really surprised ti was you who noticed my absense. That was cool, thanks. And then...HAHAHAH ok. wow. I was going to post another thing and I foudn a thread I never even knew existed!! AWWWW ralwus and Jane and and Pacal...sheesh, crazy as this place is you do meet some pretty awesome people.
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  wordscribe43posted 13 years agoin reply to this
  True that!
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mega1posted 13 years ago
THE REAL reason so many people left - - -

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  DoorMattnomoreposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  my kids loved that.
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mega1posted 13 years ago
just being myself!
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  DoorMattnomoreposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  you know, in real life, its kinda gross when a cat farts. I hate it when mine does it...hahahah thats a little funny...my pussy farted...
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  mega1posted 13 years agoin reply to this
  yeh - I know, real gross - pussy farts! hahahaha now you're just being BAD!
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Alotaposted 13 years ago
Perhaps I am taking up too much room

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  SomewayOuttaHereposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  hey Alota...i think you should take all the room you need....you're too much!
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  blondepoetposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Is that a big belly or big boobies? They seem to join together. I am confused....
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mega1posted 13 years ago
no, alota, its just bad taste! not funny, you know?
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  SomewayOuttaHereposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  hey Mega...wazup?...i don't seem to be online when u r around...too bad!
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  mega1posted 13 years agoin reply to this
  I know - I haven't been here much - doing other things - beading, by golly! And I have somehow lost most of my interest in hanging around on the forums all day - which is a big deal, very good for me actually. I always find it hard to pull myself away from behaviors that have become habitual - like logging in here every day and coming back and sitting here for hours and hours.
  
  So - if you want to communicate with me you have to email me - which I check obsessively, still - except on Sundays and sometimes even then!
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  SomewayOuttaHereposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  k...i'll send ya a message...have a great Sunday!...hope to run into you here as well....can't wait to see that bead work!
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kimberlyslyricsposted 13 years ago
Can anyone at least get interesting since no one has been correct yet!

Ok the really cool thing is this; there is nothing you can do to me or say to me to hurt me any longer. You know nothing about me. Chill. Move on, I am over the hate and I will add

in 18 months and I know far more than you think, have read more blatant lies said about than I wish to be said to anyone

not a saint

mess up all the time

never once did I get approached or asked for truth or just in general from one person who spit on me with absolute certainty. You have lifted any fears by trying to scare me. Don't care anymore unless someone can at least get creative, make it good and bring it on............

your fan

because I know everything

kimberly-the lair, flirt, sneak, mental issues, stalker, bully, puppet master, drug crack head, criminal, ugly gat chick hiding behind avatars of pretty girls, freak. not deserving to be here, drama queen, flirt, attention seeker, makes up her fathers suicide, deserved to loose her daughter, totally the reason she/he left, uh rape victims don't make a hub out of it to get fans, what do people expect she's an admitted junkie, who is she and why is she here anyway? She's totally completely nuts and believe me with a ton of enemies, she curses, She's just his little play toy, for sure known as forum slut, 'k have you seen how she can;t even structure a sentence? you'll see she'll bury herself won't be long, gimme a break she's a criminal and drug addict, total low life right? gimme a break she's a criminal and drug addict, total low life right? gimme a break she's a criminal and drug addict, total low life right? gimme a break she's a criminal and drug addict, total low life right? gimme a break she's a criminal and drug addict, total low life right? gimme a break she's a criminal and drug addict, total low life right? gimme a break she's a criminal and drug addict, total low life right? gimme a break she's a criminal and drug addict, total low life right? gimme a break she's a criminal and drug addict, total low life right? gimme a break she's a criminal and drug addict, total low life right? gimme a break she's a criminal and drug addict, total low life right? 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well I know but its just a small example but I have to say;
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  blondepoetposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Kimmy I love you.....you are so precious. xox
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  IntimatEvolutionposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  I would have to agree with this statement. ((((hugs)))) and love.
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