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Rafiniposted 12 years ago
Got 1 1/2 weeks left of classes, then a few exams and I'm done until summer classes begin! Thought I'd pop in and see what everyone's up to, aside from all the site changes & updates, and geez, almost nobody is here anymore. What happened while I've been away?
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  Andrew0208posted 12 years agoin reply to this
  Hubbers you thought they've gone were never gone, they keep sneaking in and out to see if we are back flying on high traffic again. As for me, I'm 100% around and very hopeful even though I had one of my best performing hubs taken down that had an affiliate link. In as much as I felt bad about it, I also considered how great HubPages brought me to this far good and well since over 3yrs, I won't even cast the team to hell for unpublishing an income earner hub of mine either. Now, I guess the Hub Chief is also reading as he stated on the blog panda updates with good plans to call a spade a spade with regards to affiliate links here.
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  Rafiniposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  huh, interesting. Indeed, I have noticed some are still here who I'd thought were gone for good....
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Cagsilposted 12 years ago
Bunches of things. Like I said in another thread...about a year ago, there were almost 200-300 people posting to the forum, but now it appears as if there are less than 50 people now posting.

Oh well....Sh!t happens.

However, it was nice to see you Rafini.
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  Rafiniposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  I noticed you mentioned it Cagsil, that's what brought me to post the question...it seems that the people that are left are the people I can trust.
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  Baileybearposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  it's been a lot quieter here. There's been some grumblings here and there. A website stole hundreds of hubs twice. People aren't happy about HP being ranked low by the panda slap & the huge loss of income & traffic. Think some people have been busy working on their own sites also that got hurt. Some people have gone to sniff out greener pastures, I think. Some are upset with the flagging to try and weed out crappy hubs - they feel they have been picked on over petty matters when others have been ignored.
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  Lesleysherwoodposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  I'm new to HP. (3 weeks) Have I come as its going down? What do you mean a website stole hundreds of hubs twice? How can it do that? I didn't think the search engine allowed things to be duplicated?
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  Baileybearposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  it was a website called articles68 (if I recall correctly). They stole articles. Hubbers complained & stolen hubs went away then came back again. Think they are gone now. Some hubbers were upset that we have to fight our own battles with stolen content - some threads on it a few weeks ago. Yes, duplicated content is against adsense policy
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  Lesleysherwoodposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  that's terrible as so much work goes into these hubs for them to disappear. You think they're safe. I haven't saved any of my hubs elsewhere maybe I should. I don't blame hubbers for being upset. I just tried searching for that website. Found nothing. Good they're gone.
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  Baileybearposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  it can happen anywhere - one of the unfortunate hazards of writing - some cheapskate always ready to rip off someone else's effort
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  Lesleysherwoodposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  Hi Baileybear. Thats horrible but a fact of life.
  I'm just engrossed in your hub re aspergers. I think more people have this than even know it. I'm at the bit about the washing machine, and i agree. who needs to wash up if something else can do it for you.
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  Baileybearposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  thanks for reading Lesley. I'm procrastinating about doing the dishes right now!
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  Lesleysherwoodposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  ha ha. me too. i have caved in and have attacked the popcorn
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  dablufoxposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  I am right royally annoyed at this insanely 'stupid' and totally ignorant affiliate link blanket rule which is not going to achieve anything!
  
  We still have a tsunami of spam hubbers publishing 100 word hubs with a backlink yet three of my best performing hubs on micro niche marketing which have over 1500 words gets flagged?
  
  How does this work?
  
  Then I have to write email after email to fight to get the hubs re-published.
  
  Hubpages simply don't care about hubbers and this argument about them trying to improve the platform and win favour back from Google is a crock.
  
  They could easily provide hubbers with high a high hub score with extra privileges such as unrestricted affiliate links while increasing the word count requirement of new hubbers.
  
  This alone would increase the quality and topic variety of hubs published and go a long way to retaining the platforms most talented writers.
  
  What's funny is that one moderator allows one hub to be republished and another denies the other, even though both are 1600 word and hugely popular hubs yet they provide the excuse that 'no exceptions' can be made when its obviously a lie because they already made an exception!
  
  They think were' idiots!
  
  Some of the best of the best on the platform have all abandoned ship because hubpages refuses to exercise 'common sense'!
  
  I for one am resigned to deleting my micro niche hub with market samurai links rather than have totally worthless Jeep adsense ads which pay 1c per 1000 impressions.
  
  Some hubbers have deleted 100's of their hubs and moved to blogger and interdependently hosted wordpress blogs.
  
  In my opinion Hubpages is barley worth backlinking value and the odd Amazon micro niche hub.
  
  You have to assume that its hubpages aim to aim to expand the topics of the affiliate link topic blanket rule to 'ALL AFFILIATE LINKS' this topic rule is just a sly and deceptive way to phase in a complete ban on affiliate links, whereby people are funneled exclusively to hubs that guarantee revenue for the platform.
  
  Hubpages are really missing the point I think!
  
  The platform got into this mess because they failed to address spam hub publishers writing spam hubs.
  
  Now its revenue is falling its compelled to look after its own interests and funnel people to adsense and amazon hubs.
  
  The problem is that there is still nothing stopping a new hubber from publishing 150 100 word hubs in two weeks for backlinks or affiliate links that are not on the 'secret' banned affiliate link list.
  
  Here's an article that Sunforged wrote after being messed around by moderators and staff.
  
  http://hubpages.com/hub/The-New-Article-Marketing
  
  Not only are people leaving, one that stay don't hub hop AT ALL anymore including myself!
  
  For what? So we can get kicked in the teeth by the platform a few months down the track!
  
  If you can make your own blog, even if it's on blogger you will be well advised because Google is going to clamp down on 'sharecropping' and 'content farms' even more in the future!
  
  Hubpages is only good for helping develop your writing. You best content you should reserve for your own blog because its simply not safe on this platform.
  
  It's a shame because its the community that made Hubpages what it is, or rather WAS!
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  Rafiniposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  Wow.
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  Cagsilposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  And, what would make you think that?
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  Rafiniposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  Are you saying I can't trust you?
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  kmackey32posted 12 years agoin reply to this
  Im here...
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camloposted 12 years ago
I'd actually wondered where you'd gone. Nice to see you back.
The place seemed even emptier until a couple of days ago.
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  Rafiniposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  Awww, tanks!
  
  So, is it just that time of year when people get serious about their writing again, or are people leaving or just not as active?
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  camloposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  I get the impression it has mostly to do with this Google Panda thing - a lot seem to have left, and others seem to have lost interest in HubPages since it's not making them much money nowadays. As I say, this is only the impression I get - based on what I've picked up here on the Forums.
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  Rafiniposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  huh. so many that I'd thought were die-hard hubbers just don't seem to be here, on the forums anyway. so there wasn't a massive fight complete with subsequent banning of all involved? lol
  
  I know when I stopped in a few weeks ago I was seeing alot about Google, Panda, and people saying they were going to leave. But, also knowing some of the hubbers involved, I thought maybe they'd just been banned. Except Daniel, I can't see him getting banned. Don't really know why, lol, but I just can't see it.
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  camloposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  Well, there's been a distinct change since the Panda Update, so I'm pretty convinced it has mostly to do with that.
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  Marisa Wrightposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  I think you're right, Camlo.
  
  I don't think there's a direct correlation between writing Hubs and being in the forums - I know a few Hubbers who don't write a lot of Hubs but do frequent the forum (me included).
  
  The thing with the Panda update is that it's created a lot of work for online writers, revising their content to suit the new playing field - and the more existing work you have, the more work you've got to do. I can imagine someone like Nelle Hoxie or Mark Knowles not having time to scratch themselves, never mind chatting in forums!
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  Randy Godwinposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  Nellie and Mark are busy removing most of their hubs, not updating them, Marisa. Some of the old regulars are permanently banned, in case some here aren't aware of the fact.
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  Rafiniposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  some are permanently banned? when did this happen?
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  Randy Godwinposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  In the recent past. Nellie and Mark aren't banned and I'm not implying they were, just clarifying why some aren't here much anymore.
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  Rafiniposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  I think we may have our wires a bit crossed. I asked because you said some old regulars were permanently banned, and I wasn't aware of that. I am kinda curious as to who, especially since you said Mark isn't one of them - I know I've seen plenty of people say they get banned all the time but I can't keep track of them! So, I was kinda hoping for an 'all in one place' notification type thingy. On who's banned, leaving, or gone so I'd know who I could expect to see or not.
  
  It seems so sad, but hopefully it means that everyone who leaves has found a more appropriate outlet for their steam. I haven't found mine yet, but of course, I'm still looking for a mentor and until I find what I'm looking for, or in need of, then I'll remain here. HP is a trusted friend that I'm not ready to say goodbye to yet.
  
  Oh, wow! I just noticed my front yard is full of Red Winged Blackbirds! Must be plenty of worms laying in the grass, after all the rain we've gotten lately.
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  dablufoxposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  For one I'm scaling down my hubbing, hubpages are totally ignorant to writers and think they can get away with treating them like dirt!
  
  Nellie came back and offered an explanation of sorts as to why she was leaving but I'm sure she deleted her hubs because she was pretty disgusted with the whole attitude.
  
  It's ironic that Hubpages says its making these new rules to increase the quality of published hubs but it has caused all the best writers to leave and even delete much of their work before departing.
  
  Sunforged is particularly annoyed with hubpages and rightfully so!
  
  So much so he wrote this dig at the sharecropping/content farming model in so advising others to aim higher and create their own independent blogs which have immunity to stupid knee jerk, ignorant rules that alienate the most experienced of writers.
  
  http://hubpages.com/hub/The-New-Article-Marketing
  
  http://hubpages.com/hub/The-New-Article-Marketing
  
  What hubpages failed to realize is that hubber love to write and communicate online. You only have to go to the most popular internet marketing forums like the Warrior Forum to read the vitriolic opinion pieces about Hubpages.
  
  I am set to delete 3 possible four of my hubs rather than have them published without the Market Samurai link 'quality product'.
  
  This is the one that they allowed
  
  http://hubpages.com/hub/perform-super-e … e-research
  
  The other two hubs are of same or similar quality yet after much pointless and time wasting email 'ping-pong' they still won't budge even though they concede that the two hubs in question are in fact high quality.
  
  Here's their 'comprehensive and detailed response!
  
  Quote: '[Hello,
  
  As we explained to you in a previous email, the link you use in this hub is no longer permitted on HubPages.]' End Quote
  
  In actual fact they didn't explain didly squat!
  
  They just copy and pasted this email reply.
  
  'Your Hub's content is great. However, linking to http://www.marketsamurai.com/
  
  is no longer allowed:
  
  We no longer allow Hubs to link (directly or through redirects) to affiliate or commerce sites which are prohibited under the HubPages rules (e.g. Clickbank and sites that sell eBooks, promote dubious offers, contain a lead capture form, redirect users to unwanted websites, or contain pop-ups, pop-unders, or other features that interfere with site navigation).
  
  Please remove those links and resubmit for publication.'
  
  Colossal Ignorance!
  
  I would rather delete the hub and re-write it onto my blog than have it published on hubpages without the link attracting only credit card Jeep car impression adsense ads.
  
  What a waste of time and space!
  
  What's really funny is the hubs in question teach valuable aspects of making money on hubpages with adsense and amazon, so Hubpages is effectively shooting itself in the foot!
  
  Not very intelligent!
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  Rafiniposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  Wow.
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  Army Infantry Momposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  Wow,.. what hppened why were they banned,.. I just took down all my hubs as well, reason explained in my one and only hub left remaining,.. LOL also anybody want to tell me about the Panda thing,.. im confused. I still got 1 other hub account, not sure what to do with it
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  IzzyMposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  I read and commented on your hub, and am really sorry it has come to this. I don't think it was 'purely personal' simply because other military moms identified with it, and moms everywhere read it and thanked God it wasn't their son or daughter off to war.
  
  I've currently got a couple of No smoking hub marked 'This hub appears to be about cigarettes'.
  
  Wow! Give the dog a bone!
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  CMHypnoposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  Wouldn't it be possible to have sections on HubPages, where there is a place for personal hubs? Lots of people love writing them and even more people love reading them?
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  Amanda Severnposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  
  Seems reasonable. After all, poetry has a place here.
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  IzzyMposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  Excellent point!
  
  I never read the poetry, but I occasionally read and enjoy 'personal hubs'.
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  Rafiniposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  Yeah, me too. I contacted admin about it, as it's about when I quit smoking, and they responded by saying "It should be ok" Well, why is it marked then?
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  kimberlyslyricsposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  me too nice to see you
  
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  Rafiniposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  Nice to see you too, Kimberly.
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WryLiltposted 12 years ago
I think a lot of people have been a bit disgruntled with the staff's handling of the panda update. Why? Because when everything's right everyone's happy. When something goes wrong, many people run for the hills and start blaming everything and everyone they can think of.

I have a good reason for not being around so much though! I'm having a baby (I'm currently 9 1/2 weeks pregnant) so my days now consist mostly of throwing up and sleeping.

Welcome back!
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  camloposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  Congratulations WryLilt!
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  Rafiniposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  Congrats!!
  
  they say saltine crackers do wonders...I can't really attest to that, though. I threw up everything, including water! (btw - chicken tastes the same, either way.)
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  camloposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  I had a problem like that a few weeks ago when I was at college. I wasn't pregnant though.
  I got a few days off, so it wasn't a bad thing.
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  Rafiniposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  glad to hear you weren't pregnant! lol
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  camloposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  That would've have turned my world completely upside down - and maybe even the world.
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  Rafiniposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  with a pineapple?
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  WryLiltposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  Thanks guys. And I've tried everything, even the drugs have stopped working. Oh well should only be a few weeks till it's over I hope!
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  earnestshubposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  Girls please! You know how guilty this makes us men feel?
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  WryLiltposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  Not my husband!
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  Rafiniposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  Wellll........at least it's sharing in the experience, isn't it?
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  Mrvoodooposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  'I think a lot of people have been a bit disgruntled with the staff's handling of the panda update. Why? Because when everything's right everyone's happy. When something goes wrong, many people run for the hills and start blaming everything and everyone they can think of.'
  
  Whereas others will bend over and take whatever they're given. And will still say thank you afterwards.
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  WryLiltposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  I'm leaving most of my content here. But I'm here for the money, too. I just quit my job to stay at home full time. So yes, I will stay at HP for now, but that doesn't mean I'm not pursuing other options and my own sites.
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  KeithTaxposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  Having a baby! That is the kind of growth I get excited about. Money is okay, but family is everything. Good health, Wry. Congratulations on the upcoming addition to the family.
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  WryLiltposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  Thanks Keith.
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  Dorsiposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  Yes congratulations on the new baby coming!!!
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  dablufoxposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  The way hubpage staff have handles this Panda update is shocking and totally mindless. They simply do not know which side of their bread is buttered!
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goldenpathposted 12 years ago
Many have been spending time correcting hubs that have been flagged.

Like your hat though it must have been windy.
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  Rafiniposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  oh, that makes sense, too!
  
  bright & windy!! lol
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KCC Big Countryposted 12 years ago
I'm still here. I just don't post in the forums as much. I have a lot going on in my personal life right now. I unpublished a bunch of hubs that I've been trying to work on too.

Good to see you Rafini.

Congrats WryLilt!

Hi Camlo, Cagsil, GP and Marisa!
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  Rafiniposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  Hiya KCC. How are ya?
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sofsposted 12 years ago
Lady you were the one who was missing... glad to have you back
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  Rafiniposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  thanks sofs, you're sweet
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LeanManposted 12 years ago
I'm still here.. lol

But busy with lots of other things so don't get as much time as I used to to just post and post....
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  Rafiniposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  
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CASE1WORKERposted 12 years ago
i am still here!
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  Amanda Severnposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  Me too, though I'm an infrequent visitor these days, as I'm busy elsewhere. (Painting, not writing!)
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  Rafiniposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  @case1worker & amanda
  
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CMHypnoposted 12 years ago
Some of us you don't get rid of that easy!
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  Rafiniposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  Gotcha!
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Disappearingheadposted 12 years ago
I never thought it was possible to make any money from hubbing anyway. I'm just here for the interest of writing and the cut and thrust of debate.

However I have notice a significant drop in views of my hubs and a reduction in the number of comments left on pages of hubbers I follow. Some of these hubbers don't appear to be quite as prolific as they used to be either.
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  Amanda Severnposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  
  It used to be possible to earn a very reasonable amount from hubbing if you were willing to put in the hours, and acquire the know-how. Having said that, I've never been a big earner here, and I've certainly seen less traffic and earnings in the last few weeks.
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  Baileybearposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  I thought any money was a bonus. I have found the traffic drop discouraging - I don't feel as motivated to write if no-one gets to read it.
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  Disappearingheadposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  It is discouraging true. It's a shame because I like the Hub pages layout and broad content. Are people going somewhere else to publish. Is Hubpages becoming the MySpace? What is the Facebook of the writers world?
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  Baileybearposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  I've been making a website for hubby using the WYSIWYG web builder on Webstarts - I have zero knowledge of code etc.
  http://www.webstarts.com/
  Been considering making my own website now that have more confidence in my writing - probably will centre it around Aspergers - still thinking about it. Leave my hubs here
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  dablufoxposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  Good on you Bailybear,
  
  Hubpages is only worthy of a writers sandbox these days for developing your writing abilities. Once you gain enough confidence your better off learning wordpress or even blogger and creating a number of niche blogs which you can do whatever the hell you want on!
  
  It takes five second to apply a really cool yet free blogger template which makes it look like a professional site.
  
  And it doesn't cost a cent and you can add custom adsense modules and all the affiliate links you like on any topic!
  
  What's really good is that whatever money you make you don't have to share with a business that doesn't care two hoots about you!
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  Amanda Severnposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  HubPages is so simple and accessible for users, it's hard to imagine a better model. I'm sticking with it, but of course, I'm not jeopardising a big income by doing so.
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Joy56posted 12 years ago
so glad you are all still here, it is lonely without you...... i come and go ...... having trouble with computer at the moment.
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  Rafiniposted 12 years agoin reply to this
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rebekahELLEposted 12 years ago
I pop in at times, but I work and live life... I've seen lately the forums simply suck up time with negativity and useless meanderings.

I hope you're doing well with your classes, Rafini.
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  Rafiniposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  I know what you mean Rebekah. I pop in from time to time when I need a diversion.
  
  Thanks for asking! Classes have been pretty good - don't mean to brag (or whatever you'd call it, lol) but I lost my 4.0 this last semester. Makes me feel human at least. lol
  
  I couldn't speak up in Philosophy class like Qwark told me to - kind of odd, but since the instructor was so disorganized and because I'd learned it before, I didn't understand what she was talking about most of the time. I'd internalized my thoughts on the Divine Command Theory, Utilitarianism, and Free Will so that to take a step back and relearn it...well, let's just say it didn't make much sense to me. I couldn't answer the essay questions properly, I had to approach the theories according to my own understanding.
  
  But, it ended well enough. I have a 3.86. Which was also due to the Anthropology instructor never having taught before - she'd hand out a 100 word vocab list one class period before the test and at least 20 words I couldn't find a definition for. Then, on top of that, maybe a third of them weren't on the test. (and me with a not so great memory anymore!!) I'm hoping to bump it back up to a 3.98 though.
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  prettydarkhorseposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  Good luck Rafini! Those are good grades, grats!!
  
  And it is nice to see you from time to time here!
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  Rafiniposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  aww, shucks...thanks PDH!
  
  Nice to see all of you too! (edit: I mean everyone here! lol)
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CASE1WORKERposted 12 years ago
rebekah, you are so right, the negativity can be so draining.
Rafini- it must be great to have the pressure of school work reduced - i have two daughters at college at the moment and it is all work and projects and essays to prepare for- another month and they should both be finished- well til the autumn
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  rebekahELLEposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  Not only is it draining, it's 'unproductive' energy. Life is way too short to get caught up in it.
  
  CASE1, it was nice to see a photo of you and CMHypno at the London meet up. You ladies must have had a good time with Simone and Robin.
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  CASE1WORKERposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  it was just simone, but yes it was fun- the thing that i cant get over is my virtual world coming to real life and we were talking about people- you included and we all knew you, yet i wouldnt know you if you sat next to me on the bus! sort of unreal - by the way it was no nasty gossip- it was really nice
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  rebekahELLEposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  oh what fun. Simone seems like she would be great fun to spend time with. I used to use a real pic, but I switched to my virtual world persona for a few reasons.
  
  Rafini, that's really all one can do. a 3.86 is very good, don't worry about not having 4.0. It really does NOT matter. GPA is not indicative of intelligence and comprehension.
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  Rafiniposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  I know...I was really disappointed at first (cuz I really screwed up in high school) but then I decided that I'm still okay. I'm still me. (and working for a 3.98 is a goal oriented thing, lol I gotta have a reason to try.)
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  Rafiniposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  Hiya case1 - the only good thing (for me) having time off school is that I'm writing more on my life story. I've restarted it (from the beginning! and in a new format) and actually got five chapters done in five days! I'm pretty amazed at it, actually, because I'm writing it the way I've always wanted to write it. Similar in style to Song Of Solomon, but not exactly.
  
  What programs are your daughters in?
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  CASE1WORKERposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  one is in her 2nd year training to be a primary school teacher and the other is just finishing one course prior to taking her degree in computer studies- ( does not take after her mother)
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  Rafiniposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  (that's okay - you couldn't really handle another you, could you? I know I couldn't handle another me!!)
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Cardisaposted 12 years ago
As I said in another post yesterday, I can't imagine anyone leaving, are they CRAZY!!!!

This fun and I get to meet a lot of people!

I just discovered how much information I can pick up her and chat with you guys.

I LOVE THE FORUMS AND WILL NEVER LEAVE!!!

EVER!!
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  Baileybearposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  the tone's been a little better recently - there was a lot of negatively for a few months after the panda slap
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  WryLiltposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  That's because all the nay-sayers left.
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  Mark Ewbieposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  I'm still here though. Too negative for Excerptz.
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  CMHypnoposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  That makes us feel really special Mark - nowhere else but HP negative enough for you! LOL!
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  Mark Ewbieposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  Oh I didn't mean anything by it. Just been writing about content farms and still had my head up my ....
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ripplemakerposted 12 years ago
I'm still here too
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  Rafiniposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  Hi! (waving hand furiously!!) HI!
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  ripplemakerposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  (waves hand back as furiously too)
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Spirit Whispererposted 12 years ago
Nice to meet you.
It was very interesting reading all the discussion prompted by your question and it is also very evident of the high regard everyone here holds you in.
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  Rafiniposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  Hi, how very nice to meet you! You have an interesting profile with some very interesting topics for your hubs.
  
  HP is a very friendly site. Keeps me coming back! Besides, the high regard is a two-way street.
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  Spirit Whispererposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  That is very kind of you to say and I thank you for taking the time to check me me out. I will certainly be reading your hubs especially after observing the wonderful way you have been received.
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  Rafiniposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  ty
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Bard of Elyposted 12 years ago
I am still around!
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  Rafiniposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  Glad to see you again! How are you?
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Bard of Elyposted 12 years ago
Fine, thanks, Rafini, and keeping very busy with various projects!
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  Rafiniposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  Good thing! Don't wanna get bored...now why didn't I think of that?? lol
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Beth100posted 12 years ago
I'm still here too!! Welcome back Rafini!! Missed you!!

@ Wrylit -- congratulations!!! wonderful news -- it's made my night. Thank you!
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  Rafiniposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  Hiya Beth, thank you! Nice to see you again, and I noticed it's the right time of year for you. lol
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bayouladyposted 12 years ago
I'm still a hubber, though not prolific. I haven't taken mine down. Maybe a little "pollyannaish" ,but I think hub pages will bounce back.I'm writing on a few other sites right now a bit.

I 've been absent because my daughter had a stroke. She lives with me, and it has been all about trying to help her recover, 4 hour trips to this doctor and that doctor,etc. then computer bit the dust. I just got a new one today.

I don't have time to be on the forums much. I have a backache and can't sleep, so I'm on tonight, but thats a rare thing.
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  Rafiniposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  Glad you're still here! Sorry to hear about your daughter - hope she recovers quickly.
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  bayouladyposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  rafini.....thank you!
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  sagebrush_mamaposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  Sorry to hear about your daughter...prayers for you!
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Motown2Chitownposted 12 years ago
I'm here.
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  Rafiniposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  Hi!
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sagebrush_mamaposted 12 years ago
Minimal writing time right now...it's garden planting time!
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  Rafiniposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  Hiya sage! Whatcha planting? I planted flowers last year but not so sure about this year - money's more tight.
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  sagebrush_mamaposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  Tomatoes, peppers, squash, cucumbers, melon...and a few more assorted veggies. Busy summer ahead, hopefully!
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rebekahELLEposted 12 years ago
It depends on your definition of 'best writers'. I see plenty of quality writers publishing on HP. All of the best writers have not left.

I understand that people have to do whatever they feel is best, but it's still our own reaction/responses that make us do what we do.
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TerryGlposted 12 years ago
And for all you guys saying everything will be alright then don't be surprised when one day you cannot log in. Grab a copy of your content and keep it safe so you can re-publish it elsewhere when Hubpages is gone.

All the old hubbers have told you what is going to happen and they moved their content to a safer place. You have to seriously think about doing the same.

Don't turn around and say "no one told you".
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  recommend1posted 12 years agoin reply to this
  I was tempted to say exactly the same thing this morning but in the vein of "I am staying" decided not to. I would seriously advise everyone, loyal hubber or sensible person, to bakc up all their hubs at this point in time.
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  CMHypnoposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  I always have a back up of all my material saved in a couple of places, and have done since I started publishing here.
  
  I have to agree with Rebekah, that it is a purely personal decision as to whether or not any hubber leaves, hangs fire or continues publishing.
  
  However, I'm getting fed up of the playground mentality of some hubbers who have left who seem to think that everybody has to leave now to get back at HubPages and prove that they made the right decision by leaving (usually very noisily)
  
  I can understand why some people are angry and frustrated, but why waste energy by creating foul-mouthed sock puppets and then spending their valuable time in the forum of a place where you say you no longer want to be slagging it off? Also what is going to be gained by slagging HP off across the rest of the internet? It's just another waste of energy!
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  recommend1posted 12 years agoin reply to this
  I half agree with you and half agree with the disgruntled ex-hubbers who have left, I am still here but feel as if it is all sinking around me !
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  Mark Ewbieposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  If the moaning helps me get more traffic, removes any chance of moderation and allows me to use the F word with greater freedom then I think it's all been worth it.
  Otherwise, no.
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  CASE1WORKERposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  quite agree- is anywhere else any better- sit back and wait is my motto- oh yes and do some more backing up, i am a bit behind!
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  Randy Godwinposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  Why sit back and wait? One doesn't know if there is anywhere better unless they see for themselves. Spread some stuff around on different sites and compare the difference. What have we got to lose?
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  Mrvoodooposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  While you might consider it to be pointless bad-mouthing. Others may see it as being a valuable public service. I certainly wish that I'd been warned that there was a good chance that the hubs I published here years ago in good faith, could be unpublished without warning on a whim and a fancy. At any given time.
  
  As far as I have seen, people aren't spreading lies about recent activity at HP, they're just telling it like it is. And as far as I'm concerned, those considering writing at HP, should be armed with all of the facts, before investing too much time here.
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  Randy Godwinposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  I continue to "slag" Helium across the internet whenever given the opportunity. I feel it is my duty to warn writers who are thinking of putting their work on the unethical site. Things aren't always what they seem, as many of us have discovered the hard way.
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  Mrvoodooposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  Your warnings (and those of a few others) are actually the reason I never bothered to even go take a look at Helium. I've written on virtually every other similar site, at one point or another, but I've not once even visited Helium.
  
  So thank you. Which kind of proves my point. Because while others might choose to 'grin and bear' everything. Your warning no doubt saved me endless hassle.
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  Randy Godwinposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  And thanks to you too, MrVoodoo! I have received many, many emails thanking me for my crusade against Helium. Even more satisfying though, are the apologies I have received by former stewards who attacked me on the forums for speaking truths which THEY themselves were not aware of at the time.
  
  I would do the same for any such site I find manipulating its writers in similar manners. Getting the word out about the true goings-on of content sites is one of the few means we have of punishing unethical sites.
  
  Sure, there will always be disgruntled writers complaining about writing sites, but many are telling their real experiences dealing with them.
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  Mrvoodooposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  I couldn't agree more.
  
  I've no desire to see HP go under. But at the same time, I'd rather that the truth was out there. So that people can make an informed decision as to whether to invest any amount of time writing here, or not.
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  Randy Godwinposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  I have no wish for HP to go under either. I still make a few bucks here and each month gets better as far as Adsense is concerned. My hubs apparently haven't suffered as much as some have, but then I didn't have many links on my pages like some and have only had to remove those which led nowhere because the hubs they led to no longer existed.
  
  I have to say I am skeptical about the way Amazon works here on HP. There is no way, at least that I can discover, to ascertain if we are getting a 60-40 time share on Amazon products. I'm sorry, but I simply do not trust the old "trust me" type agreements. Why can't we have some way to check this stuff?
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  Andrew0208posted 12 years agoin reply to this
  HubPages can only get better. HubPages remains my favorite site along with a few others. In fact, a few hubbers should stoppp tensing up the community with "who is going out, where are hubbers, everyone is gone" and stuff like that. They should STOP assuming and speaking for everyone here as anyone or group cannot be everyone. It can only get better here.
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  CMHypnoposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  There is a big difference in stating your opinions about something you don't like and the foul-mouthed rants that some people have been coming out with. Getting heated and ranting is a waste of energy. People are far more likely to listen to what you have to say if you present your case intelligently and articulately.
  
  If you value your time, do something productive with it, swearing and name calling is a waste of energy and only likely to rebound on the person doing it.
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  Mishaposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  Voluntarily instructing others how they should spend their time is not exactly a productive use of time either
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  CMHypnoposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  No its not, but there have been some who have been coming onto this forum howling and screeching in an abusive manner.
  
  There is one thing stating your opinions and even getting a bit heated about it, but some of the swearing and name calling has been uncalled for.
  
  And as you said - we all get to choose what we do with our time, even those who don't always agree with you
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rebekahELLEposted 12 years ago
I think this is sound advice for all writers anywhere. It helps to write in Notepad or Word first, and copy/paste wherever one publishes.
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  recommend1posted 12 years agoin reply to this
  Absolutely right - whether here or anywhere else, nothing is as secure as you think it is !
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TerryGlposted 12 years ago
Especially here..

Got my 2 year congratulations email from Hubpages telling me what a good bloke I was for being here for 2 years.

Shame I cannot post a Hubpage until a moderator checks it. They must think I am a spammer. Comedic timing always makes me smile.
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recommend1posted 12 years ago
...at this time ...
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rebekahELLEposted 12 years ago
There are no guarantees about anything, you may walk into your place of employment tomorrow and be handed a pink slip after slaving away for 20 years because your company can't afford you any longer. Is it your fault?
I'm somewhat bewildered by anyone who feels entitled..

diversify and move forward.

Business bottom line is survival.
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  Randy Godwinposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  No, I may not! I've always been self employed with several means of income. I suppose this is why I'm not afraid to question things which appear less than ethical. The only pink slip I've ever seen was being slowly removed by a lovely damsel.
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  Mrvoodooposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  Isn't it strange how different people are bewildered by different things in life. Personally I get kind of bewildered by folk who'll roll over and grin and bear anything, and everything. That they're dealt. Without even minimal protest.
  
  And I've never been convinced that advising others to do the same is good advice. But I guess that's just me.
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Mishaposted 12 years ago
Come, come to HubRages and tell the world what you have to tell. The link is on my profile
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  Mrvoodooposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  lol, had a quick peek. Love it.
  
  Will have a better look around after I've had my tea.
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  Suzanne Dayposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  Done! I am TheSnu!
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  lexindicaposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  Come on Mr. Misha,
  
  Why are you always promoting your forum here? I have already read it thrice in forums. Few days ago, you used to promote Hubpages because you were earning quite a handsome bucks, and now when the source from where you were earning that handsome bucks is facing a problem then you are coming here and asking people to just "leave this place". Disgusting. Hubpages will certainly be a better place without you. Why don't you just leave? You along with Ryankett and thisisoli [Both of them had visited Hubpages to show their support, but in fact both of them were planning to learn to launch their own User Generated Content websites] are creating so much problems here. Grow up Misha. LEAVE.
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  Mishaposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  And what do you want me to promote? This kind of crap?
  
  http://hubpages.com/hub/Download-DPS-MM … Clips-2004
  http://hubpages.com/hub/Ashmit-Patel-Ri … h-Download
  http://hubpages.com/hub/Photographs-of- … -M-S-Dhoni
  http://hubpages.com/hub/Kate-Middleton- … hotographs
  
  Sorry, can't do it for a life of me
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  lexindicaposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  There are lots of crap there Misha. I am going to delete them. You got it all wrong. Those are not getting views for me. I would like to ask for your help to show here about how I can add proof here about that. There were many craps my friend which have been deleted by me. Just doing some research here.
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  thisisoliposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  If you want to show proof of what content is getting you traffic tehn you can hook up Hubpage to Analytics and drill down by content.
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  thisisoliposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  Lex, maybe you would like to do a little more research before you start posting comments on other peoples sites, if you had followed This is Freelance you would have known that since it's inception it was initially designed as a place for Hubbers to gain more backlinks to their hubs. This site was in place long before Panda appeared.
  
  If you actually visited TiF you would also learn that it operated on a completely different basis to Hubpages, you may also have noticed that I have definitely given out more knowledge than I have received in the forums here.
  
  I have no desire to see Hubpages fail, I still make several hundred dollars a month here, and I am sure Misha, Nell, Ryan and others are just as sad to see their income drop (And a lot of those income drops had nothing to do with panda).
  
  But the reason many of these writers have left is because the Panda situation has grown in to a disaster thanks the the obscure rules Hubpages have been putting in to place.
  
  After Panda I was more than willing to work through the drop in traffic to keep my content ranking high. Unfortunately it is Hubpages own actions which have negatively affected my serps. Both Ryan and myself showed our initial support because we wanted to ensure that Hubpages would recover. Unfortunately we have seen how certain Hubbers have been treated, and we have seen our advice ignored.
  
  You may have also heard something that I can validate, the people who are leaving are the people who have been seeing consistent growth since Panda, even on our user generated content and affiliate sites. This means, believe it or not, that Google does in fact like our content and site strategies.
  
  Before you judge you might want to read some of the past threads which caused a divide between a previously tight knit community, you will find that it has nothing to do with ulterior motives on owning our own websites. You might also want to consider that many people on here own a large number of other sites, and have done for years, well before they voiced any dissent against the current Hubpages changes.
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  lexindicaposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  TiF was created in August, 2007. Dear Oli, it all happened because of the drinking session and discussion about you and Ryan at my flat among five friends. Sorry. I am really enlightened. I am also going to delete some of my inferior hubs in response to this fault. No offence intended, just a discussion about Google Panda led to this. Peace.
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bharath.adupaposted 12 years ago
SO atleast you are back and resumed your hubs nice to hear that........
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