Got 1 1/2 weeks left of classes, then a few exams and I'm done until summer classes begin! Thought I'd pop in and see what everyone's up to, aside from all the site changes & updates, and geez, almost nobody is here anymore. What happened while I've been away?
Hubbers you thought they've gone were never gone, they keep sneaking in and out to see if we are back flying on high traffic again. As for me, I'm 100% around and very hopeful even though I had one of my best performing hubs taken down that had an affiliate link. In as much as I felt bad about it, I also considered how great HubPages brought me to this far good and well since over 3yrs, I won't even cast the team to hell for unpublishing an income earner hub of mine either. Now, I guess the Hub Chief is also reading as he stated on the blog panda updates with good plans to call a spade a spade with regards to affiliate links here.
Bunches of things. Like I said in another thread...about a year ago, there were almost 200-300 people posting to the forum, but now it appears as if there are less than 50 people now posting.
Oh well....Sh!t happens.
However, it was nice to see you Rafini.
I noticed you mentioned it Cagsil, that's what brought me to post the question...it seems that the people that are left are the people I can trust.
it's been a lot quieter here. There's been some grumblings here and there. A website stole hundreds of hubs twice. People aren't happy about HP being ranked low by the panda slap & the huge loss of income & traffic. Think some people have been busy working on their own sites also that got hurt. Some people have gone to sniff out greener pastures, I think. Some are upset with the flagging to try and weed out crappy hubs - they feel they have been picked on over petty matters when others have been ignored.
I'm new to HP. (3 weeks) Have I come as its going down? What do you mean a website stole hundreds of hubs twice? How can it do that? I didn't think the search engine allowed things to be duplicated?
it was a website called articles68 (if I recall correctly). They stole articles. Hubbers complained & stolen hubs went away then came back again. Think they are gone now. Some hubbers were upset that we have to fight our own battles with stolen content - some threads on it a few weeks ago. Yes, duplicated content is against adsense policy
that's terrible as so much work goes into these hubs for them to disappear. You think they're safe. I haven't saved any of my hubs elsewhere maybe I should. I don't blame hubbers for being upset. I just tried searching for that website. Found nothing. Good they're gone.
it can happen anywhere - one of the unfortunate hazards of writing - some cheapskate always ready to rip off someone else's effort
Hi Baileybear. Thats horrible but a fact of life.
I'm just engrossed in your hub re aspergers. I think more people have this than even know it. I'm at the bit about the washing machine, and i agree. who needs to wash up if something else can do it for you.
I am right royally annoyed at this insanely 'stupid' and totally ignorant affiliate link blanket rule which is not going to achieve anything!
We still have a tsunami of spam hubbers publishing 100 word hubs with a backlink yet three of my best performing hubs on micro niche marketing which have over 1500 words gets flagged?
How does this work?
Then I have to write email after email to fight to get the hubs re-published.
Hubpages simply don't care about hubbers and this argument about them trying to improve the platform and win favour back from Google is a crock.
They could easily provide hubbers with high a high hub score with extra privileges such as unrestricted affiliate links while increasing the word count requirement of new hubbers.
This alone would increase the quality and topic variety of hubs published and go a long way to retaining the platforms most talented writers.
What's funny is that one moderator allows one hub to be republished and another denies the other, even though both are 1600 word and hugely popular hubs yet they provide the excuse that 'no exceptions' can be made when its obviously a lie because they already made an exception!
They think were' idiots!
Some of the best of the best on the platform have all abandoned ship because hubpages refuses to exercise 'common sense'!
I for one am resigned to deleting my micro niche hub with market samurai links rather than have totally worthless Jeep adsense ads which pay 1c per 1000 impressions.
Some hubbers have deleted 100's of their hubs and moved to blogger and interdependently hosted wordpress blogs.
In my opinion Hubpages is barley worth backlinking value and the odd Amazon micro niche hub.
You have to assume that its hubpages aim to aim to expand the topics of the affiliate link topic blanket rule to 'ALL AFFILIATE LINKS' this topic rule is just a sly and deceptive way to phase in a complete ban on affiliate links, whereby people are funneled exclusively to hubs that guarantee revenue for the platform.
Hubpages are really missing the point I think!
The platform got into this mess because they failed to address spam hub publishers writing spam hubs.
Now its revenue is falling its compelled to look after its own interests and funnel people to adsense and amazon hubs.
The problem is that there is still nothing stopping a new hubber from publishing 150 100 word hubs in two weeks for backlinks or affiliate links that are not on the 'secret' banned affiliate link list.
Here's an article that Sunforged wrote after being messed around by moderators and staff.
Not only are people leaving, one that stay don't hub hop AT ALL anymore including myself!
For what? So we can get kicked in the teeth by the platform a few months down the track!
If you can make your own blog, even if it's on blogger you will be well advised because Google is going to clamp down on 'sharecropping' and 'content farms' even more in the future!
Hubpages is only good for helping develop your writing. You best content you should reserve for your own blog because its simply not safe on this platform.
It's a shame because its the community that made Hubpages what it is, or rather WAS!
I'd actually wondered where you'd gone. Nice to see you back.
The place seemed even emptier until a couple of days ago.
So, is it just that time of year when people get serious about their writing again, or are people leaving or just not as active?
I get the impression it has mostly to do with this Google Panda thing - a lot seem to have left, and others seem to have lost interest in HubPages since it's not making them much money nowadays. As I say, this is only the impression I get - based on what I've picked up here on the Forums.
huh. so many that I'd thought were die-hard hubbers just don't seem to be here, on the forums anyway. so there wasn't a massive fight complete with subsequent banning of all involved? lol
I know when I stopped in a few weeks ago I was seeing alot about Google, Panda, and people saying they were going to leave. But, also knowing some of the hubbers involved, I thought maybe they'd just been banned. Except Daniel, I can't see him getting banned. Don't really know why, lol, but I just can't see it.
Well, there's been a distinct change since the Panda Update, so I'm pretty convinced it has mostly to do with that.
I think you're right, Camlo.
I don't think there's a direct correlation between writing Hubs and being in the forums - I know a few Hubbers who don't write a lot of Hubs but do frequent the forum (me included).
The thing with the Panda update is that it's created a lot of work for online writers, revising their content to suit the new playing field - and the more existing work you have, the more work you've got to do. I can imagine someone like Nelle Hoxie or Mark Knowles not having time to scratch themselves, never mind chatting in forums!
Nellie and Mark are busy removing most of their hubs, not updating them, Marisa. Some of the old regulars are permanently banned, in case some here aren't aware of the fact.
some are permanently banned? when did this happen?
In the recent past. Nellie and Mark aren't banned and I'm not implying they were, just clarifying why some aren't here much anymore.
I think we may have our wires a bit crossed. I asked because you said some old regulars were permanently banned, and I wasn't aware of that. I am kinda curious as to who, especially since you said Mark isn't one of them - I know I've seen plenty of people say they get banned all the time but I can't keep track of them! So, I was kinda hoping for an 'all in one place' notification type thingy. On who's banned, leaving, or gone so I'd know who I could expect to see or not.
It seems so sad, but hopefully it means that everyone who leaves has found a more appropriate outlet for their steam. I haven't found mine yet, but of course, I'm still looking for a mentor and until I find what I'm looking for, or in need of, then I'll remain here. HP is a trusted friend that I'm not ready to say goodbye to yet.
Oh, wow! I just noticed my front yard is full of Red Winged Blackbirds! Must be plenty of worms laying in the grass, after all the rain we've gotten lately.
For one I'm scaling down my hubbing, hubpages are totally ignorant to writers and think they can get away with treating them like dirt!
Nellie came back and offered an explanation of sorts as to why she was leaving but I'm sure she deleted her hubs because she was pretty disgusted with the whole attitude.
It's ironic that Hubpages says its making these new rules to increase the quality of published hubs but it has caused all the best writers to leave and even delete much of their work before departing.
Sunforged is particularly annoyed with hubpages and rightfully so!
So much so he wrote this dig at the sharecropping/content farming model in so advising others to aim higher and create their own independent blogs which have immunity to stupid knee jerk, ignorant rules that alienate the most experienced of writers.
What hubpages failed to realize is that hubber love to write and communicate online. You only have to go to the most popular internet marketing forums like the Warrior Forum to read the vitriolic opinion pieces about Hubpages.
I am set to delete 3 possible four of my hubs rather than have them published without the Market Samurai link 'quality product'.
This is the one that they allowed
http://hubpages.com/hub/perform-super-e … e-research
The other two hubs are of same or similar quality yet after much pointless and time wasting email 'ping-pong' they still won't budge even though they concede that the two hubs in question are in fact high quality.
Here's their 'comprehensive and detailed response!
As we explained to you in a previous email, the link you use in this hub is no longer permitted on HubPages.]' End Quote
In actual fact they didn't explain didly squat!
They just copy and pasted this email reply.
'Your Hub's content is great. However, linking to http://www.marketsamurai.com/
is no longer allowed:
We no longer allow Hubs to link (directly or through redirects) to affiliate or commerce sites which are prohibited under the HubPages rules (e.g. Clickbank and sites that sell eBooks, promote dubious offers, contain a lead capture form, redirect users to unwanted websites, or contain pop-ups, pop-unders, or other features that interfere with site navigation).
Please remove those links and resubmit for publication.'
I would rather delete the hub and re-write it onto my blog than have it published on hubpages without the link attracting only credit card Jeep car impression adsense ads.
What a waste of time and space!
What's really funny is the hubs in question teach valuable aspects of making money on hubpages with adsense and amazon, so Hubpages is effectively shooting itself in the foot!
Not very intelligent!
Wow,.. what hppened why were they banned,.. I just took down all my hubs as well, reason explained in my one and only hub left remaining,.. LOL also anybody want to tell me about the Panda thing,.. im confused. I still got 1 other hub account, not sure what to do with it
I read and commented on your hub, and am really sorry it has come to this. I don't think it was 'purely personal' simply because other military moms identified with it, and moms everywhere read it and thanked God it wasn't their son or daughter off to war.
I've currently got a couple of No smoking hub marked 'This hub appears to be about cigarettes'.
Wow! Give the dog a bone!
Wouldn't it be possible to have sections on HubPages, where there is a place for personal hubs? Lots of people love writing them and even more people love reading them?
Yeah, me too. I contacted admin about it, as it's about when I quit smoking, and they responded by saying "It should be ok" Well, why is it marked then?
I think a lot of people have been a bit disgruntled with the staff's handling of the panda update. Why? Because when everything's right everyone's happy. When something goes wrong, many people run for the hills and start blaming everything and everyone they can think of.
I have a good reason for not being around so much though! I'm having a baby (I'm currently 9 1/2 weeks pregnant) so my days now consist mostly of throwing up and sleeping.
they say saltine crackers do wonders...I can't really attest to that, though. I threw up everything, including water! (btw - chicken tastes the same, either way.)
I had a problem like that a few weeks ago when I was at college. I wasn't pregnant though.
I got a few days off, so it wasn't a bad thing.
Thanks guys. And I've tried everything, even the drugs have stopped working. Oh well should only be a few weeks till it's over I hope!
Girls please! You know how guilty this makes us men feel?
'I think a lot of people have been a bit disgruntled with the staff's handling of the panda update. Why? Because when everything's right everyone's happy. When something goes wrong, many people run for the hills and start blaming everything and everyone they can think of.'
Whereas others will bend over and take whatever they're given. And will still say thank you afterwards.
Having a baby! That is the kind of growth I get excited about. Money is okay, but family is everything. Good health, Wry. Congratulations on the upcoming addition to the family.
The way hubpage staff have handles this Panda update is shocking and totally mindless. They simply do not know which side of their bread is buttered!
Many have been spending time correcting hubs that have been flagged.
Like your hat though it must have been windy.
I'm still here. I just don't post in the forums as much. I have a lot going on in my personal life right now. I unpublished a bunch of hubs that I've been trying to work on too.
Good to see you Rafini.
Hi Camlo, Cagsil, GP and Marisa!
I'm still here.. lol
But busy with lots of other things so don't get as much time as I used to to just post and post....
I never thought it was possible to make any money from hubbing anyway. I'm just here for the interest of writing and the cut and thrust of debate.
However I have notice a significant drop in views of my hubs and a reduction in the number of comments left on pages of hubbers I follow. Some of these hubbers don't appear to be quite as prolific as they used to be either.
It used to be possible to earn a very reasonable amount from hubbing if you were willing to put in the hours, and acquire the know-how. Having said that, I've never been a big earner here, and I've certainly seen less traffic and earnings in the last few weeks.
I thought any money was a bonus. I have found the traffic drop discouraging - I don't feel as motivated to write if no-one gets to read it.
It is discouraging true. It's a shame because I like the Hub pages layout and broad content. Are people going somewhere else to publish. Is Hubpages becoming the MySpace? What is the Facebook of the writers world?
I've been making a website for hubby using the WYSIWYG web builder on Webstarts - I have zero knowledge of code etc.
Been considering making my own website now that have more confidence in my writing - probably will centre it around Aspergers - still thinking about it. Leave my hubs here
Good on you Bailybear,
Hubpages is only worthy of a writers sandbox these days for developing your writing abilities. Once you gain enough confidence your better off learning wordpress or even blogger and creating a number of niche blogs which you can do whatever the hell you want on!
It takes five second to apply a really cool yet free blogger template which makes it look like a professional site.
And it doesn't cost a cent and you can add custom adsense modules and all the affiliate links you like on any topic!
What's really good is that whatever money you make you don't have to share with a business that doesn't care two hoots about you!
HubPages is so simple and accessible for users, it's hard to imagine a better model. I'm sticking with it, but of course, I'm not jeopardising a big income by doing so.
so glad you are all still here, it is lonely without you...... i come and go ...... having trouble with computer at the moment.
I pop in at times, but I work and live life... I've seen lately the forums simply suck up time with negativity and useless meanderings.
I hope you're doing well with your classes, Rafini.
I know what you mean Rebekah. I pop in from time to time when I need a diversion.
Thanks for asking! Classes have been pretty good - don't mean to brag (or whatever you'd call it, lol) but I lost my 4.0 this last semester. Makes me feel human at least. lol
I couldn't speak up in Philosophy class like Qwark told me to - kind of odd, but since the instructor was so disorganized and because I'd learned it before, I didn't understand what she was talking about most of the time. I'd internalized my thoughts on the Divine Command Theory, Utilitarianism, and Free Will so that to take a step back and relearn it...well, let's just say it didn't make much sense to me. I couldn't answer the essay questions properly, I had to approach the theories according to my own understanding.
But, it ended well enough. I have a 3.86. Which was also due to the Anthropology instructor never having taught before - she'd hand out a 100 word vocab list one class period before the test and at least 20 words I couldn't find a definition for. Then, on top of that, maybe a third of them weren't on the test. (and me with a not so great memory anymore!!) I'm hoping to bump it back up to a 3.98 though.
rebekah, you are so right, the negativity can be so draining.
Rafini- it must be great to have the pressure of school work reduced - i have two daughters at college at the moment and it is all work and projects and essays to prepare for- another month and they should both be finished- well til the autumn
Not only is it draining, it's 'unproductive' energy. Life is way too short to get caught up in it.
CASE1, it was nice to see a photo of you and CMHypno at the London meet up. You ladies must have had a good time with Simone and Robin.
it was just simone, but yes it was fun- the thing that i cant get over is my virtual world coming to real life and we were talking about people- you included and we all knew you, yet i wouldnt know you if you sat next to me on the bus! sort of unreal - by the way it was no nasty gossip- it was really nice
oh what fun. Simone seems like she would be great fun to spend time with. I used to use a real pic, but I switched to my virtual world persona for a few reasons.
Rafini, that's really all one can do. a 3.86 is very good, don't worry about not having 4.0. It really does NOT matter. GPA is not indicative of intelligence and comprehension.
Hiya case1 - the only good thing (for me) having time off school is that I'm writing more on my life story. I've restarted it (from the beginning! and in a new format) and actually got five chapters done in five days! I'm pretty amazed at it, actually, because I'm writing it the way I've always wanted to write it. Similar in style to Song Of Solomon, but not exactly.
What programs are your daughters in?
one is in her 2nd year training to be a primary school teacher and the other is just finishing one course prior to taking her degree in computer studies- ( does not take after her mother)
As I said in another post yesterday, I can't imagine anyone leaving, are they CRAZY!!!!
This fun and I get to meet a lot of people!
I just discovered how much information I can pick up her and chat with you guys.
I LOVE THE FORUMS AND WILL NEVER LEAVE!!!
the tone's been a little better recently - there was a lot of negatively for a few months after the panda slap
I'm still here though. Too negative for Excerptz.
That makes us feel really special Mark - nowhere else but HP negative enough for you! LOL!
Nice to meet you.
It was very interesting reading all the discussion prompted by your question and it is also very evident of the high regard everyone here holds you in.
Hi, how very nice to meet you! You have an interesting profile with some very interesting topics for your hubs.
HP is a very friendly site. Keeps me coming back! Besides, the high regard is a two-way street.
That is very kind of you to say and I thank you for taking the time to check me me out. I will certainly be reading your hubs especially after observing the wonderful way you have been received.
Fine, thanks, Rafini, and keeping very busy with various projects!
I'm still here too!! Welcome back Rafini!! Missed you!!
@ Wrylit -- congratulations!!! wonderful news -- it's made my night. Thank you!
I'm still a hubber, though not prolific. I haven't taken mine down. Maybe a little "pollyannaish" ,but I think hub pages will bounce back.I'm writing on a few other sites right now a bit.
I 've been absent because my daughter had a stroke. She lives with me, and it has been all about trying to help her recover, 4 hour trips to this doctor and that doctor,etc. then computer bit the dust. I just got a new one today.
I don't have time to be on the forums much. I have a backache and can't sleep, so I'm on tonight, but thats a rare thing.
Glad you're still here! Sorry to hear about your daughter - hope she recovers quickly.
Sorry to hear about your daughter...prayers for you!
Minimal writing time right now...it's garden planting time!
Hiya sage! Whatcha planting? I planted flowers last year but not so sure about this year - money's more tight.
It depends on your definition of 'best writers'. I see plenty of quality writers publishing on HP. All of the best writers have not left.
I understand that people have to do whatever they feel is best, but it's still our own reaction/responses that make us do what we do.
And for all you guys saying everything will be alright then don't be surprised when one day you cannot log in. Grab a copy of your content and keep it safe so you can re-publish it elsewhere when Hubpages is gone.
All the old hubbers have told you what is going to happen and they moved their content to a safer place. You have to seriously think about doing the same.
Don't turn around and say "no one told you".
I was tempted to say exactly the same thing this morning but in the vein of "I am staying" decided not to. I would seriously advise everyone, loyal hubber or sensible person, to bakc up all their hubs at this point in time.
I always have a back up of all my material saved in a couple of places, and have done since I started publishing here.
I have to agree with Rebekah, that it is a purely personal decision as to whether or not any hubber leaves, hangs fire or continues publishing.
However, I'm getting fed up of the playground mentality of some hubbers who have left who seem to think that everybody has to leave now to get back at HubPages and prove that they made the right decision by leaving (usually very noisily)
I can understand why some people are angry and frustrated, but why waste energy by creating foul-mouthed sock puppets and then spending their valuable time in the forum of a place where you say you no longer want to be slagging it off? Also what is going to be gained by slagging HP off across the rest of the internet? It's just another waste of energy!
I half agree with you and half agree with the disgruntled ex-hubbers who have left, I am still here but feel as if it is all sinking around me !
If the moaning helps me get more traffic, removes any chance of moderation and allows me to use the F word with greater freedom then I think it's all been worth it.
quite agree- is anywhere else any better- sit back and wait is my motto- oh yes and do some more backing up, i am a bit behind!
While you might consider it to be pointless bad-mouthing. Others may see it as being a valuable public service. I certainly wish that I'd been warned that there was a good chance that the hubs I published here years ago in good faith, could be unpublished without warning on a whim and a fancy. At any given time.
As far as I have seen, people aren't spreading lies about recent activity at HP, they're just telling it like it is. And as far as I'm concerned, those considering writing at HP, should be armed with all of the facts, before investing too much time here.
I continue to "slag" Helium across the internet whenever given the opportunity. I feel it is my duty to warn writers who are thinking of putting their work on the unethical site. Things aren't always what they seem, as many of us have discovered the hard way.
Your warnings (and those of a few others) are actually the reason I never bothered to even go take a look at Helium. I've written on virtually every other similar site, at one point or another, but I've not once even visited Helium.
So thank you. Which kind of proves my point. Because while others might choose to 'grin and bear' everything. Your warning no doubt saved me endless hassle.
And thanks to you too, MrVoodoo! I have received many, many emails thanking me for my crusade against Helium. Even more satisfying though, are the apologies I have received by former stewards who attacked me on the forums for speaking truths which THEY themselves were not aware of at the time.
I would do the same for any such site I find manipulating its writers in similar manners. Getting the word out about the true goings-on of content sites is one of the few means we have of punishing unethical sites.
Sure, there will always be disgruntled writers complaining about writing sites, but many are telling their real experiences dealing with them.
I couldn't agree more.
I've no desire to see HP go under. But at the same time, I'd rather that the truth was out there. So that people can make an informed decision as to whether to invest any amount of time writing here, or not.
I have no wish for HP to go under either. I still make a few bucks here and each month gets better as far as Adsense is concerned. My hubs apparently haven't suffered as much as some have, but then I didn't have many links on my pages like some and have only had to remove those which led nowhere because the hubs they led to no longer existed.
I have to say I am skeptical about the way Amazon works here on HP. There is no way, at least that I can discover, to ascertain if we are getting a 60-40 time share on Amazon products. I'm sorry, but I simply do not trust the old "trust me" type agreements. Why can't we have some way to check this stuff?
HubPages can only get better. HubPages remains my favorite site along with a few others. In fact, a few hubbers should stoppp tensing up the community with "who is going out, where are hubbers, everyone is gone" and stuff like that. They should STOP assuming and speaking for everyone here as anyone or group cannot be everyone. It can only get better here.
There is a big difference in stating your opinions about something you don't like and the foul-mouthed rants that some people have been coming out with. Getting heated and ranting is a waste of energy. People are far more likely to listen to what you have to say if you present your case intelligently and articulately.
If you value your time, do something productive with it, swearing and name calling is a waste of energy and only likely to rebound on the person doing it.
Voluntarily instructing others how they should spend their time is not exactly a productive use of time either
No its not, but there have been some who have been coming onto this forum howling and screeching in an abusive manner.
There is one thing stating your opinions and even getting a bit heated about it, but some of the swearing and name calling has been uncalled for.
And as you said - we all get to choose what we do with our time, even those who don't always agree with you
I think this is sound advice for all writers anywhere. It helps to write in Notepad or Word first, and copy/paste wherever one publishes.
Got my 2 year congratulations email from Hubpages telling me what a good bloke I was for being here for 2 years.
Shame I cannot post a Hubpage until a moderator checks it. They must think I am a spammer. Comedic timing always makes me smile.
There are no guarantees about anything, you may walk into your place of employment tomorrow and be handed a pink slip after slaving away for 20 years because your company can't afford you any longer. Is it your fault?
I'm somewhat bewildered by anyone who feels entitled..
diversify and move forward.
Business bottom line is survival.
No, I may not! I've always been self employed with several means of income. I suppose this is why I'm not afraid to question things which appear less than ethical. The only pink slip I've ever seen was being slowly removed by a lovely damsel.
Isn't it strange how different people are bewildered by different things in life. Personally I get kind of bewildered by folk who'll roll over and grin and bear anything, and everything. That they're dealt. Without even minimal protest.
And I've never been convinced that advising others to do the same is good advice. But I guess that's just me.
Come, come to HubRages and tell the world what you have to tell. The link is on my profile
lol, had a quick peek. Love it.
Will have a better look around after I've had my tea.
Come on Mr. Misha,
Why are you always promoting your forum here? I have already read it thrice in forums. Few days ago, you used to promote Hubpages because you were earning quite a handsome bucks, and now when the source from where you were earning that handsome bucks is facing a problem then you are coming here and asking people to just "leave this place". Disgusting. Hubpages will certainly be a better place without you. Why don't you just leave? You along with Ryankett and thisisoli [Both of them had visited Hubpages to show their support, but in fact both of them were planning to learn to launch their own User Generated Content websites] are creating so much problems here. Grow up Misha. LEAVE.
And what do you want me to promote? This kind of crap?
http://hubpages.com/hub/Download-DPS-MM … Clips-2004
http://hubpages.com/hub/Ashmit-Patel-Ri … h-Download
http://hubpages.com/hub/Photographs-of- … -M-S-Dhoni
http://hubpages.com/hub/Kate-Middleton- … hotographs
Sorry, can't do it for a life of me
There are lots of crap there Misha. I am going to delete them. You got it all wrong. Those are not getting views for me. I would like to ask for your help to show here about how I can add proof here about that. There were many craps my friend which have been deleted by me. Just doing some research here.
Lex, maybe you would like to do a little more research before you start posting comments on other peoples sites, if you had followed This is Freelance you would have known that since it's inception it was initially designed as a place for Hubbers to gain more backlinks to their hubs. This site was in place long before Panda appeared.
If you actually visited TiF you would also learn that it operated on a completely different basis to Hubpages, you may also have noticed that I have definitely given out more knowledge than I have received in the forums here.
I have no desire to see Hubpages fail, I still make several hundred dollars a month here, and I am sure Misha, Nell, Ryan and others are just as sad to see their income drop (And a lot of those income drops had nothing to do with panda).
But the reason many of these writers have left is because the Panda situation has grown in to a disaster thanks the the obscure rules Hubpages have been putting in to place.
After Panda I was more than willing to work through the drop in traffic to keep my content ranking high. Unfortunately it is Hubpages own actions which have negatively affected my serps. Both Ryan and myself showed our initial support because we wanted to ensure that Hubpages would recover. Unfortunately we have seen how certain Hubbers have been treated, and we have seen our advice ignored.
You may have also heard something that I can validate, the people who are leaving are the people who have been seeing consistent growth since Panda, even on our user generated content and affiliate sites. This means, believe it or not, that Google does in fact like our content and site strategies.
Before you judge you might want to read some of the past threads which caused a divide between a previously tight knit community, you will find that it has nothing to do with ulterior motives on owning our own websites. You might also want to consider that many people on here own a large number of other sites, and have done for years, well before they voiced any dissent against the current Hubpages changes.
TiF was created in August, 2007. Dear Oli, it all happened because of the drinking session and discussion about you and Ryan at my flat among five friends. Sorry. I am really enlightened. I am also going to delete some of my inferior hubs in response to this fault. No offence intended, just a discussion about Google Panda led to this. Peace.
SO atleast you are back and resumed your hubs nice to hear that........
by Sondra Rochelle 3 years ago
I had heard there was a big update coming around April 15, and now I have noticed a good sized drop in views. Anybody else having this issue? If so, we may be in the middle of another animal update!
by John Coviello 3 years ago
I see signs that Traffic is Starting To Come Back After the Latest Panda? It is hard to confirm since HubPages is not providing traffic stats during their changeover to a new data provider. Has anyone else noticed a recovery in traffic after the steep Panda related drop off?
by StormsHalted 5 years ago
After the alleged Google alogrithim update probably after 10 December my traffic has fallen drastically from more then 150 views per day to 50. Traffic was steadily rising but after 10 dec it suddenly plunged showing no signs of recovery. (hubs have remained unchanged).
by jenubouka 5 years ago
Anyone's traffic dropped even more after this new change of "featured" hub change? Mine has dropped by 70% and seems to be falling fast.What are the hubbers (who have been here for at least a year) experiencing now? What are your plans if your traffic is falling? Ideas...
by Max Dalton 6 years ago
Hi All:My hub traffic has dropped by around 35 to 40 percent over the last couple of days. I know I've read other forum posts from people who were experiencing this, but because my traffic wasn't dropping, I didn't pay good attention. Anyway, any advice would be appreciated. I've been on HP for two...
by ryankett 7 years ago
Is it all to do with forum politics? The reason for Cosette leaving has just been made clear to me on the 'Pedantic Hubpages' blog post. I am somewhat dissapointed with the result of that, much more dissapointed to lose a hubber that I considered a friend for no apparent reason. A little hurt and...
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