I have spent time reading all of the other forum posts regarding a decrease in traffic so I know I am not alone but even though I have read and read them I still do not understand what is going on.
Quite a few of my hubs were on page 1 of google for my keywords. This then brought with it the beginnings of some decent daily organic traffic.
Now zero traffic!
I typed in my keywords again and none of my hubs show up - not even in the first 3 or 4 pages. No where.
What does this exactly mean? For those more experienced is this a glitch that will right itself or a google change that means I need to re-adjust all my hubs and keywords again.
Please hope someone can help.
I checked my sub-domain in Google to see if I could figure out what was happening and found links at the top of site pages that basically used my hub url and description so they could put a bunch of questionable ads on the pages. That was all the pages contained.
Google's Penguin was suppose to downgrade sites with spammy links. I wonder if some spammy sites didn't get into some of the Hubpage sub-domains and use them for their own purposes. I am just guessing here, because I don't know anymore than anyone else does.
I still get traffic, but it has gone down considerably. I think the change of season is affecting a lot of mine. I know it is more than that though, because too many people are complaining and it was too sudden.
Can you please confirm how you check your subdomain? like this site:workathomemums.hubpages.com
Is that right?
I just typed in Barbara Kay Hubpages and came up with tons of links that I never put there. Some I'd never choose and one I found that had copied hubs. I never got finished, I found so many. I don't know how to get rid of them either.
I am not an expert but it appears your pages have been de-indexed.
If you enter the full title for one of your unique titles such as
Cinnamon - Antioxidant Blood Sugar Regulator: Health Benefits of Cinnamon
your hub does not appear in the search results. This generally means its not in the Google index.
Perhaps you should check with Google Webmasters Central to see if there are any messages. Otherwise you may have to ask for a review.
Some one else with more experience may be able to help.
Watch out for those incoming links. Are they all reputable?
I did find a Robots.txt page and it's full of disallows. Is that Normal? If not how do I Change that??
I noticed a similar problem. I found only one of my hubs (so far) appears in the search results when I type in the full title. When I checked my traffic sources, I found my google traffic has plummeted to 14 in one day, so most of my traffic is coming from hubpages now. This is so frustrating because I had just gotten to the point where the majority of my traffic was coming from google. It took 5 months to get there! When I originally started writing for hubpages, it seemed like a viable option for much needed extra income, but now it seems its just a waste of time.
If you add links in your hubs to your other hubs, is that considered spammy? Is that too many links?
I'm so frustrated I'm ready to throw in the towel!
I am hoping it's going to right itself. I checked my webmasters tools and I have no errors or messages or notifications. All looks ok yet my site is gone from google. I did a fetch as googlebot and it came up but I don't quite get what that means.
I see no reason why it should right itself, unfortunately - unless there has been a glitch at Google (which has happened before).
Take a look at your Analytics information. When did your traffic disappear?
If it was on 24 April, you were hit by Penguin. If it was on 27 April, that's when Panda was run.
Once you know which Google update hit you, you can look at what those updates were targeting, and work out how that applies to your Hubs.
One thing I notice - in some of your titles, you're using your keyword twice and even three times. That's a red flag to Google that you're keyword stuffing (even if you're not!), so it could be part of the problem.
This is a good infographic on Panda.
I don't think I've written a single hub that does not contain links to several of my other hubs. So no, that is not spammy, but be aware that the second hub must be pertinent to the one linking.
That is, you cannot provide a link to just anything; the linked to location must be pertinent to the subject of the linking hub.
Maybe have a look at your titles? Your red wine hub uses the phrase red wine three times in the title alone. Less is more for keywords these days, so the big G might view it as keyword stuffing.
Also your account is only 7 weeks old - quite often there is an an initial surge, the hubs then seem to drop off the edge of the universe and then organic traffic builds again as they age
I only published the red wine one last night. But point taken. I can amend that. However keywords are keywords. If my hubs are on showing in search results for keywords then they are. They wouldn't become disallow for no reason. From other forum chats it seems I'm far from alone here. How to change back to allow is what im now on the hunt for
Two people have made a suggestion about keyword stuffing which you have dismissed or ignored.
Pippi Longstocking page contains the words 39 times!!!
Google is slamming keyword stuffing.
Keyword stuffing was the old SEO game.
It is entirely up to you whether you act on this or not. But it seems pretty obvious to me.
If you read my previous comment you would have seen me state point taken, in response to the keyword stuffing. So no I'm not ignoring. And if you write a hub on eggs you are going to use the word egg plenty of times throughout so keyword stuffing? Or just a hub on eggs. Title overdoing it on some? Yes probably. You live and learn but I think there is more to it. I've only been here 7 weeks but I've been a programmer for umpteen years so I'm not that ignorant to it all. Some things yes but not everything.
Yes. I agree it can be frustrating. I write about pointe shoes, and there just ain't another word for them (if I called them toe shoes, ballet dancers would fall about laughing). Unfortunately Google doesn't care. They've got their definition of keyword stuffing and if you cross the line, you're toast.
Of course, Google doesn't do anything helpful like tell us what the definition is - but it's definitely under 5%. Some people say it's more like 3%.
Try running some of your Hubs through a keyword density checker. If you're above 4%, you need to fix it.
Keyword stuffing -- that's frowned on by Google is it not?
Yeah ok, sorry. I have been hubhopping this morning and found two decent pages out of fifty bits of spam. So short tempered.
Here is the top result for "Who Is Pippi Longstocking" - after Wiki, Youtube and Amazon of course.
The writer mentions the name ten times. It doesn't feel excessive and reads OK.
I don't want to tar you with the same brush as the utter crap that is coming through the Hopper but there are so many people who aim for 5,6,7% of their content being the keyword. It used to work. It doesn't now.
This is one of the many indicators that Google have specifically mentioned.
I had an article that was slammed twice. I fixed it by really cutting down on the keywords - the reader and Google already knew what it was about. I also tried to give it a purpose - not just some text so I could put adverts on.
Article, viewer, reason for being first - then adverts is my thinking.
I suppose I should also point out that I don't make any money at all at this.
Kryword density and shit backlinks were always the a$$ of the internet....well, also there is Reddit.
I reckon over-optimized titles might be a problem. Mostly, though, I think you are picking topics that have already been covered very extensively.
just unpublished a couple of the erroneous ones. as I have said before I'm not complaining that I'm not getting traffic. I'm saying i'm not indexed anymore. I've had success in the last few weeks with my hubs despite the appearance of being in saturated topics.
I am confused as to why you say you are deindexed. If I check your subdomain on Google (site:workathomemums.hubpages.com) I get over ten pages of results (your hubs, forums you've commented on, etc.)
I searched a couple of your complete titles and your Hubs show in results. Last night I could see that Google crawled your red wine Hub on May 5; this morning it looks as if you unpublished it. This morning I can see that Google last crawled your scratch and sniff Hub on April 29.
As a few others have stated, be sure to pare down some of your longer titles. Not only is the title important for search engine ranking, since it shows in results it can be a determining factor in click-through to your site. The same goes for the URL, which by the way, does not have to be identical to the title. Also, put your keywords as close to the beginning of the title and URL as possible.
I think she was speaking more on the lines of Hubs not showing up using actual realistic search terms rather than her site being indexed at all. Of course, if users want information on..for example....lego games for the iPhone, they're not going to type in "Work at Home Mums Novelty Gifts: Play Lego Games on the iPhone - Interactive Lego Game," which is one of this person's Hubs. They're probably just going to type in, "iphone lego games" or something similar.
In other words, they're confused as to why they're not ranking for keywords that they once ranked for.
As far as this is concerned, this is not the only complaint I've heard about Google here recently and traffic drops. Probably has something to do with the updates they're rolling out... I'm not sure what they are since I don't get too concerned with SEO personally, but I hear it's not good for those that absolutely rely on it.
I think not showing up in Google for realistic search terms may have been her original complaint but I was responding to her later comment, and that of a couple others, that her Hubs were actually de-indexed. They still show up in Google's index, although not ideally for realistic search queries. If they weren't in the index at all that would be a whole different problem for her to resolve.
So onward with what she should do. I absolutely agree with you about the iphone lego example. Since titles and URLs play a part in SEO that is why I suggested she shorten them up and match them more up to common search queries. Her wordy iphone lego title, which she has also used as the URL, is a perfect example.
Without looking at her Google Analytics personally, it's hard to say whether her woes are due to one of Google's recent updates or not. She replied to Marisa Wright that it's been 2-3 days since she's lost traffic, so maybe something in the latest Panda update (4/27 - I believe) got her.
But her subdomain is new. Maybe it enjoyed a surge at first and now is settling down to reality, which can happen. But at quick glance, like you, I think there are issues with her titles and URLs having too many words, not placing keywords, or better yet - keyword phrases - near the beginning. These SEO issues have to be resolved for long term success, I believe anyway.
I am relatively new and wasn't aware of what keyword stuffing was, but after reading this I now know what it is. I got it confused with tagging perhaps that is why certain people hubs are dropping of? Too much focus on key word instead of tagging and having a good combination of tags.
The only way to fix the url is to delete and set up new hub. Correct?
Yup. But I've always been told the URL doesn't matter that much.
Mind you, looks like I'm the last one to be giving advice, since my "Panda Recovery" seems to have been shortlived. My traffic really dipped over the weekend - looks like more than a normal weekend dip to me. Let's hope I'm wrong!
Oh... NOOOOO! I'll cross my fingers (and toes) for you.
Marisa mine's back to the normal for now. The 60% drop over May 3rd to last night is over and my traffic is increasing by the hour. At present is the 2nd highest its ever been
Krtapp-where can I read more about the comment you make about possibly why I showed up initially and now settling back to reality . If that is the case how do I find what page I'm even on for some oh my hubs which were showing quite prominently and now not.
I just checked my webtools crawler and noticed this
Sitemap: http://workathomemums.hubpages.com/.....blah blah ......xml.gz
The robots.txt file is all disallow.
Is everyone else like that???
Yes. The Media-partners thing is to do with how Adsense ads are displayed.
All the others are just to stop Google crawling the same page multiple times in different categories etc, which would create duplicate content issues.
Can you let me know where you are seeing this info on crawler dates please?
I saw 173 links when I Googled site:workathomemums.hubpages.com
Last crawl date appears to be 4/28. You haven't been deindexed.
My web analytical show me overwhelming crawl errors from 24th. Since then my hubs aren't showing for keywords. Clearly for my actions. So I'm "there" but not visible if being searched for organically. So what's the point of even being there. What's that term... Sandbox?
I have also noticed that I had an increase in crawl errors (as seen in diagnostics|crawl errors is google webmaster tools), but when I click the "linked from" tab these crawl errors are not in my control. However, Google did change how they report crawl errors recently: http://googlewebmastercentral.blogspot. … ation.html
Nonetheless, Google states that these crawl errors should not affect a site's placement in search results.
I am not sure by any means, but I don't think this is the root of your problem.
i'll read that link now thanks for that
Can you post an image of the two graph lines (traffic & crawl errors) when you had traffic?
Oh - I take that back. The blue is impressions and the red is clicks, right???
So, if that's correct then your impressions were 0 on 5/4.
How is 5/5? There should be some impressions because I was looking, as I can tell others were too.
Go to Google and do a search for one of your Hubs. When it shows up in results hold your mouse over the big arrow that appears to the right of the snippet about your Hub. Then on the right screen you will see a portion of your Hub. Above it click on the word "cached" and you will see the date information. Hope that helps.
I just used that keyword density tool...cant hurt to drop it can it..thanks for the heads up on that.
Dont get me started on what i see when im hub hopping....
that pippi hub is too new for results. my older ones were good now zip. maybe my wine one tipped me over the edge.
Ok, so I hopped over to google analytics and found that my page views were at about 300-400 per day (most of which was from google) until April 29th, which is when it dive bombed to 27 pages per day (most of which is from hubpages).
Can anyone explain what happened? I don't really understand all the keyword stuff, and rarely ever use it. I just write my article, and post. I'm assuming the plummet was because of the panda update, but I'm not entirely sure what that changed. Anyone have any ideas? If my traffic is going to stay this low, it's not worth the time and effort I put in. I need to make some sort of income to keep my house so I need to figure this out. $.72 every week won't pay squat lol maybe a drip of gas?
Hi DoM. I checked one of your pages. The keyword appeared 46 times. Without going into details - ie. don't tell us - which were your best performers and what does your keyword pecentage look like? But don't tell us.
Other people will say "oh it's not keywords" or "you need more keywords" (for christ sake).
All I can say is that one of the 200 odd things Google doesn't like is keyword stuffing and it does issue penalties.
I know what WAHM said above about eggs.
Here's the bad.
Eggs are great. Eggs contain stuff. Eggs are laid by chickens. Eggs make your hair grow. Etc.
Here's what you would say to a friend.
Eggs are great. They contain stuff. Chickens lay them. They make your hair grow.
As far as I understand this keywording is filling up your article with the same word so that it gets flagged by google. This is different than tagging. Tags are words that you use to assist in the finding of your article that you don't actually include in your article. For instance I have an article on Ellen Degeneres. If you just type in her name, it gets lost in the shuffle, but through my use of tags if you type in Ellen Degeners+Good Deeds it shows up as the 4th search matter.
I 'think' that tags are purely for HP. They are invisible to Google.
Just finished reading an article about that matter. It seems like tags can help and aasist though in the google search matter, not directly, but in sort of a side handed way. Personally, in some cases that google filters and tries to censor such matters as far as "bad" writing or whatever seems like they are trying to play judge jury and executioner,.instead of letting the searcher determine this.
Were you reading on other sites, or reading on HubPages? HubPags tags are not the same as tags on a website or blog, and don't have the same purpose or effect. Here, they're used to classify your Hubs and decide whether they appear as "related Hubs".
Hhhmm... I didn't realize I was over using words like that. I wonder which hub had the 46. The medical hubs are difficult to say "they" or something similar for a term that most people probably don't know, but I'll have to go through and edit. Thanks Mark for the heads up, I appreciate you taking a peek at my hubs! (It helped the view count I'm sure lol j/k)
DoM - I don't KNOW anything, I'm guessing. I read and watch the experts but I am not an expert. You make your own decisions.
Keyword stuffing has been mentioned - enough times now - but it also goes hand in hand with 'natural language'. So the read should be what the searcher would expect, not what the search engine bots need to read. That was the old SEO game.
If you think you have been slapped / slammed then you can either think there might be a reason for it and revise / edit / etc. or you can just say "Google is trying to get me"
Sorry to go on. I am trying to help.
One more thing. NEVER tell people you have been slapped, and never tell them your best or slapped article. Because they will be copying it as soon as you have finished your post.
Oh yeah. I do know a little because I recovered a slapped page by unkeywording it. I only had a few. If you have a higher percentage Google just slams the lot - including the good.
Here's my slapped page. Google didn't like it. I thought it was worth the effort to try to save it.
+1 Mark usually speaks (amusing) nonsense, but in this case, he's talking good sense methinks!
(ps I am editing hubs myself at the moment after crashing!)
There is some good basic advice in the HP help for things to consider and try when your traffic hits the skids. The advice from hubbers in the forums is very variable, some of it is very good and some is very bad!
Just curious, Paul. You say you are editing your hubs. What exactly are you doing? I'm not even sure I have enough information at this point to know how to edit my hubs. Best I can do is check for keyword density and add fresh content.
If we do this do we even know whether we will be still good to go? And how long would it even take before we know it's worked or not? From all the advice gven above I can see lots of ways to fix or amend my hubs but I wonder how long before my keywords allow my hubs to show again.
After you edit a Hub you can go to Google Webmaster Tools to submit it so it gets crawled again sooner. If you are not sure how to do this I have a Hub about how to submit URLs that takes you through each of the steps. (Sorry - I'm not allowed to put the link here for you.)
In Google Webmaster Tools under "diagnostics" click "fetch as googlebot" then fill in the remaining portion of your URL in the form. Next, click "fetch." When you see "success" with a green check mark next to your URL, click "submit to index."
This certainly isn't something you have to do normally, but I do like to do it when I make significant changes to a URL or time-sensitive ones in hopes that it will get crawled sooner. It usually does. You can read the Hub I wrote about it for more details.
Who knows,.perhaps somebody will be more helpful instead of being a scared and secretive little, insert your own expletive.
Thank you Mark!!!! I've actually been going through several of my hubs and I was surprised by how many times certain words appeared. When you're writing I guess you don't really notice those things. I reread them but I haven't done that in a couple months.
Thanks for letting me know, constructive criticism never hurt anyone and I'm new to the writing game so I need all the help I can get. I'm editing all of my hubs at the moment and checking them for too much repitiion. I may need to break the thesaurus!
Thanks again Mark, you were quite helpful! If you feel like you have any other knowledge stuffed in your brain that you'd like to get out, I'll happily take it off your hands for ya.
46 mentions of a word might be OK if the Hub is long enough. The easiest way to check is to use a keyword density checker (Google, you'll find plenty).
One possible problem is that medicine is a tricky subject in Google's eyes, and one where they're particularly keen to give priority to "authority" sites. So in theory anyone who mixes up medical articles with other subjects is more likely to be downgraded.
I say in theory, because I know Hubbers who write on a mix of topics including medical, and do OK. So who knows?
On another note, I notice your blog is about weight loss. That's a very saturated subject - if you're doing it for fun and for your own motivation, that's fine, but I'd be surprised if you do well with it. Have you thought about creating a blog on your own expertise? If you buy a domain name that reflects your topic, make an "about me" page with you in a white coat and detailing all your qualifications, you'd have the potential to create something with authority. PM me if you need some help.
Thanks Marisa, the blog is actually more of an online journal for me, and I haven't really devoted too much time to it. I'll be writing for a new ezine in the coming month as an authority, so that might actually help, although it's not my domain, I'll be listed on it. I'm not sure if that will help or not but it will create some backlinks. The hub with the 46 occurrences was actually a shorter one, and one of my first hubs published, so of course it had a ton of not only keyword errors but grammar mistakes!
My traffic actually seems to be going up. Although I can't make sense of one thing. Google analytics says x number of people have visited the site today, but if I check the hubpages traffic statistics it doesn't agree with google. So, I don't know which one I should pay attention to, I'm so confused lol. Both sites say traffic has increased today, so I guess it doesn't matter. Traffic is traffic right? lol
I'm not entirely sure why my traffic has fallen so badly because I believe my rankings are the same, but I only checked certain hubs.
Normally my traffic is high on the weekends, but now, my weekend traffic is equivalent to my Weekday traffic!
Not sure what is going to happen when I write new hubs. I am planning some new ones soon.
Google is really starting to confuse me. Too many innocent people are getting hurt, while they are trying to punish the spammers etc..
I'd like to say that I do not keyword stuff my hubs, but make sure certain keywords appear in the hub enough times so that it will be indexed well.
Not quite sure if this is related but it may be a cause for concern that GP staff can look at.
In G webmasters central there was a sudden surge of URL crawl errors reported from the beginning of April (total of 717) in my main sub. Some are no longer valid (temporary fail to find) but most are of this type
This can't be good if it applies to most authors = huge pile of broken links
Sorry the image is small - errors start 31 March and finish 7 April - most links as above still don't work.
I notice that too, and I'm not sure if it hit me at all, although the majority of my hubs are on health. I noticed the crawl errors were the wrong addresses to hubs. There's an extra word in there. I wonder if it would affect traffic now? I'm assuming not because google probably fixed it. It was odd thought that all of a sudden the url was wrong. Weird... it's google, go figure
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