Middle aged female. One novel. Five years. Completely obsessed. Seventeen books on how to write a novel. Six months of background research. 351 pages. 96,000 words. Typing "The End," was a religious experience. For six months afterwards, I felt like I had lost my best friend. And that was the easy part.
Seventy five submissions, query letters later and I only made it up to the "g's" in the Agent's Directory. Going on two years now, it's rotting away in my bottom desk drawer. I figure it will sell once I kick the bucket. At least maybe my kids will get paid.
I bet it's good. Find a way to get it read!
Ok, so what are you doing for the next few days? lol
I have about 750 ideas, 250 titles and not a word written. I get a paragraph done and then have no idea what I'm doing.
It's ok. It's a process, not an event. I had no idea what I was doing either. It's like jumping in an ocean then teaching yourself to swim. But use those ideas-- they're probably good ones. I used to get so many, I'd have to dash them down in the car at red lights and stop signs. Those ideas turned out to be the jewels I tucked in between the rest of it. And those titles you're coming up with probably reflect some type of subconscious theme or message you're tapping into and don't even know it yet. See if you can find a common thread amongst the many titles, and once you discover your true purpose, go from there. Just a thought...
Nine novels is a lot Calpol25, I have been working on some. I will start and half way through I get an idea for another and it never gets completed.
Its taken me years to get there but each knock back makes me more determined x
You will get there, all you need is discipline, focus and a good note book and pen write everything down that comes in to your head until nothing left and then sort through them and use them all for one book
I'm halfway through my novel and can't wait to get published one day! And the majorly good parts are yet to be written - but that's what makes it exciting!
I've written several novels. The first I began when aged nineteen; that was some time ago now...!
I'm currently working on the third draft of the third novel in a Dark Fantasy series set in Liverpool, and on the first draft of the fourth in the same series. The first in the series, "Tamsin", is now published.
The trick to writing novels is to get that first draft finished without fussing over trying to make the text perfect. Set a daily word count and try, as much as is possible, to keep to it. Leave editing and re-writing for later drafts.
I've finished one and self-published it. Haven't sold many copies, but that wasn't really the goal. The goal was just to finish it and have it in book form, which I've done. I was just too impatient to see it in print to actually last long through the whole agent/editor submission process. :-)
Currently, I've got about 10,000 words of another novel and part of the ending scene from a sequel to my self-published novel.
The trick to actually completing a novel, I've found, is to look at it as your job. Sometimes you don't feel like writing. I don't particularly feel like working on my novel today. That's why I'm spending some time writing this post. ;-)
You have to do it anyway. I've forced myself to write about 126 words. Hopefully I'll get a lot more done before the day is out.
Oh, and it does help to have some idea of where your novel is headed. That way you can skip around when you lose motivation to a more exciting plot point, and then work your way backward or forward. Eventually, you'll tie all the pieces together. You won't be able to help it!
I tried with the Motivation of NaNoWriMo a few years ago, but could only manage 15,000 words. I needed 50,000.
You might want to give it a go this November.
National Novel Writing Month - it's very motivational.
I think I better stick to writing articles.
i've got one to the 80% point,... and one roughly 50% outlined,.... i return to them when it hits me,... i'm like a fickle lover you might say,... so yes, it has been a work in progress for several years now,... the childrens short stories i complete rather quickly and the satire is fun and absorbs me until its finished,... but the novel,.... oh that dreaded novel,..... it teases me from the top corner of my roll top desk,.... it taunts me,... lures me in,... then tells me,... no.
I've self-published my first two books over about the past 4 months or so, but haven't been doing a lot of marketing so I suppose I've no right to complain about the small number of sales. Still, I enjoy it, and the fact that I've sold soemthing indicates that there may be a market for my work. I've got about three others partially written on paper (although fully written in my head), but have been too busy with other projects to finish them.
I've completed my novel already. It took me 6 years to have it done. I'm now currently in the final edit. It's a pain, but if you stick through it you'll get it done. I've sent a couple of pages to agents, but getting rejected. It's my dream, so have to stick with it, but it's not easy. Good Luck. I'm sure you'll get it done.
I have never really had a desire to write a novel but recently I had an idea pop into my head. I decided that since I don't have a job right now I might as well do something constructive, so I started writing. I haven't gotten too far and am a little concerned that I'm a little over my head. I chose a historical topic and want to become more familiar with the topic so that I can be accurate in my account. This will probably take some time and there's a good chance I'll give up at some point, but my boyfriend has been very supportive. He says I give up on myself too easily, so I guess I'll just try to prove him wrong!
I like the fact that you can see you have matured and changed as a writer. I have written 2 novels and am writing my 3rd now. I have been gioven the oppertunity to publish my second novel. It is getting edited as I type. It is a wonderful process but it was a long journey. I had alot of no's before finally a yes. Keep at it and write as much as you can. And always stay positive, if you want it enough - it will be yours!
Good luck with everything x
I've almost finished my first, Tara!
Congratulations on your recent success - i'm sure you worked hard and deserved it!
Thank you for the advice!!
40,000 words. A bit lost with the characters but writing the bare bones and I'm enjoying the plot. When completed, I will edit, edit, edit.
I thought I was writting one in 2008. I started and finished within a month and found it to only be about 40 pages. On the plus side I was told by a friend of mine who is a literary professor that it is a great un-polished gem and that if I could flesh it out a bit, it would make a best seller. So that's promising. I however have done not awhole lot with it. I can't seem to flesh any part of it out too much.
Maybe it just needs to be a little more descriptive. People, rooms, atmosphere etc. I don't know, I'm just guessing.
Almost done my 2nd novel as of now. My third novel is in planning stages, as in I am just beginning to think about the characters and the plot. I'm not published yet as I literally burnt my first novel. I hated it, it was awful but it was a learning experience.
Oh my! You burnt it?!
My first novel . . . well i wrote it when i was 16 and going through some horrible things so even though i finished, it was a really morbid and depressing one with such a sad ending that i never want anyone to read it. It's buried among folders and scraps of paper. I don't quite know what to do with it.
Hold onto it. If you get something else published, you will have an editor to discuss it with. Maybe they can use it.
Yeah I wrote it when I was pretty sick, so it just was all over the place. I just made things up as I went. Looking back, I guess at the time it was more therapeutic above all else. I was sick my junior year of high school to the point where I missed over 100 days of school. In that time, I realized I want to be a writer.
Hey, dig it up and re-work it - teens are morbid and depressed! look at the Twilight series - you could just add some action and it might be a hit - I started a kind of serial novel here on hubpages - stopped midway when I realized I should have finished the whole thing before publishing any of it because there were huge mistakes, holes, gaps in my brain I guess. I doubt if I will ever finish it, but it was fun. I might try a new one someday. I still like the idea of series or trilogies or something like that. Just haven't had new ideas for much of anything, and I doubt Hubpages is really the place for my fiction anyhow. Writing is not as much fun when you're trying to make ad money from it, that's what I've discovered. It was fun when I could ignore the revenue aspect, but for some reason I guess I've lost my innocence.
When I first began writing, that was me, too. I would start strong, write a chapter or two, and then just stop. I had no idea what to do with it, where to go with it, anything. I've still got about six or seven unfinished books on my computer. The best thing I can suggest is starting with an outline - it's tedious, but it really helps wonders when you lose your focus. Good luck!
@Website Examiner - perhaps when i find it doesn't hurt so much to read it, then maybe i can objectively analyse it or get someone else to. It's really why i haven't gotten rid of it, actually. There's a 'just in case' in my head that won't quite go away.
@Nickalooch - It was clearly worth it then if through that, you realised you wanted to be a writer! I realised when i started penning down thoughts in order to vent. Before that it was cutting up paper! haha!
@Mega1 - Do you think i could let loose some mythical creatures and see how it goes? Soemthing that feeds of depression would be nice! But i'm not so creative, i think i shall stick with humans. Emotions are complex enough for me!
@AfterAzria - I have a couple of unfinished ones too. Whenever i get a little tired of my current WIP then i flit over to another, actually they're coming along by an infinitesimal amount each week but still . . . it's something!
I love ALL your replies by the way!
This is a great forum! Enjoyed reading through the posts and the various experiences. What calpol25 said about writing everything down and then using the sorted ideas for one book actually works.
Don't get rid of your old projects - you'll be surprised at how they'll return to your current work in some essence or the other. I had written many unfinished stories as a teenager and then at 17, I stopped everything because an unconscious plan of a story had started to grow. A lot of research, dreaming and plotting went into it but the writing of it wasn't until after two years. It still isn't finished and I have quite unfortunately, realized that I have grown too attached to the characters - the 500 page novel I couldn't imagine sharing with anyone...absolutely no one! My brother had his writing easy...his very second attempt was extremely successful.
As of now, I've just started with another story but I still know that I should probably return to the old one and publish it with courage.
So yeah...don't EVER EVER fall in love with your own characters (the experience can be both sad and magical) and keep all your old work since it's important to observe how you've developed as a person and writer. A lot of my first works wormed their way into my novel in the form of dreams, short poems, lyrics, delusions etc. And even if you don't yet have an outline or direction, it's very important to write something...anything everyday - that way, you learn how to refine the characters themselves, plots and above all, how to best use the perspectives or point-of-views.
voronwe: your comment about falling in love with your own characters really hit home with me. I had the same experience when I wrote my first and only novel ( took me 5 years) and although I felt a sense of profound loss when the novel was finished, I must admit, being in love with my main character was probably more of an asset to the final product, rather than a liability. Was wondering if you agree? .Also, I'm with you about the way other pieces of writing in other genres somehow manage to worm their way into the novel, except in my case, things in novel wormed their way out - a chapter here became a short story there, several narrative passages transformed themselves into poems, etc. All in all, it was a long, strange trip...
oh...wow! Steele Fields, I'm so glad you shared this experience. I had always wanted to meet someone who had fallen in love with their own creations! It's the most wonderful thing. And yes, I totally agree about this beautiful madness being an asset to the final product rather than a liability. Though I'll never be able to share the story or my main characters with anyone...I don't mind it at all. It's like some sort of secret enlightenment or pleasure that only you are privy to, something that never turns ordinary or colorless.
All the heartbreaks(the literal emotion-overload kind), wonder and love - I don't think anybody could ever forget. I twice saw my main character in my dreams, very briefly...should have been impossible but there he was! Alive and real...usually he's in the dark or somewhere behind. Okay...sorry, dunno why I'm telling you all this! But it was beyond overwhelming...
Anyways, what you said about things worming out of the book; right again. I only recently stopped working on this novel but everytime I have to think for a new poem or story, I unconsciously anchor it to 'that one'.
And with you, I think it's because the whole journey...the long strange trip, as you expressed could be the most reflective moving experience of your own doing. I guess the story and it's deep connection isn't entirely gone from your mind. I read your previous posts...please don't give up trying to get your book published. A sincere piece of work of such an enormous effort should be acknowledged.
All the best!
Any progress for anyone?
Mine is coming along pretty well
Afsaneh
My Novel 'THE SHOPKEEPER' in it's paperback edition was released on Amazon today.
Congratulations!! I'm incredibly happy for you (not just jealous, I swear!)
I'll take a look at the synopsis now.
Here is an Author interveiw you might want to check out as well
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I have no idea what that means . . . snipped?
Can you message the link to me or something?
Christ, I feel so absurd!
Thank you!
I can tell you what it means, the forum nazis cut out the link.
As I understand it, you are not supposed to self promote your own hubs in the forums, unless that hub is directly related to the forum subject matter.
I’m pretty sure that the link I posted was clearly related to the subject matter of the thread and it was not directed towards any one of my hubs nor any one of my websites.
However;
To find the interview just do a google search using the string “Pat Bertram Introduces”
Then, when on Pat's page, in the search box (left margin) just enter the title of my book “The Shopkeeper” and it will take you right to the interview.
Firstly - forum nazis LOL
Thank you, I'll have a look now!
I don't think you will want your forum thread, which started as an an intellectual discussion about the creative process, turned into an e-commerce store or a promotional venue.
A link to the forum rules is provided every time you post and confirm that you have read and understood the rules.
If someone flags a forum post, it goes to the moderators, which will then decide whether to take action or not. I imagine they ignore many flags, acting only when they find it warranted.
Of course I wouldn't want it to be tunneled into another topic as you quite rightly said and i do understand the rules. I was merely showing that i found the term 'forum nazis' amusing!
But thank you W.E!
Satareh, the expression you find amusing I find disrespectful of the moderators, our forum and its rules. But as they say, one cannot argue about taste.
You are always welcome.
Oh, see now I feel terribly guilty. Apologies, W.E.
I just got an email today from the publisher telling me the printer just shipped the proofs of my novel for approval.
I have written two books on LuLu.com complete with a free ISBN. Writing a book is difficult to do without walking away and then coming back anew and refreshed. Quality takes time so I would suggest that you don't just stop but continue and write the book in phases. I hope this helps.
I starting writing an autobiographical novel some years ago. I have a synopsis and a couple of chapters fairly finished, the rest of it is still in my head waiting for the right 'streaming' moment. My synopsis is here on hubpages...
I wrote a novel back in the 90's. Did a little every evening after work. Had nothing else to do but feed the cats. What helped me was an extensive outline. It was so extensive, each character had an individual psychological profile. Although I tackled the work with linear intent, I could have gone to any point in the story at any time, using the outline. It also helped that I really enjoyed each character. I was, in fact, drawn into each one in a way that permitted me to live the story as I penned it.
I want to be a renowned, rich author, writing about fighting fires and international travel. First I have to read a few books on time management!
Wow! There's a lot of novel writing in this community! I recently finished my debut middle grade novel. It took me nearly a decade to complete it. I changed it too many times and finally, about a year ago, decided which direction to take it. I did a year's worth of marathon writing, editing, editing and more editing and now I finally have my first novel under my belt. : )
I have to say that even if we never get published, at least we can say we've written a novel. I encourage anyone who has an unfinished manuscript languishing on the shelf to get it out, dust it off and finish it!
So far, the people I've talked to that wrote and published e-books are still waiting to sell their tenth copy. I was just telling my wife yesterday (she's thinking about writing one) that e-books would be perfect for her because she excels at promotion, and she has seemingly limitless energy (two qualities I don't possess lol). But, I'm still thinking about trying it, like everyone says, why not? What's to lose?
Ah, but the question is, how many of those authors who are still waiting to sell their tenth copy have several years of experience learning online marketing, how to drive traffic and get content found?
All these online articles we write serve a very useful purpose: we're learning by trial and error how to attract readers.
I'm sure you know as well as I, that getting a novel writer interested about marketing is no mean feat
I would encourage the other Authors here that have Ebooks to participate in Operation EBook Drop as well. Our Troops can always use a distraction and they are always looking for good reading material.
Its good for them and it can be good for you as well. Besides it is the right thing to do.
Check their facebook page http://www.facebook.com/#!/OperationEbookDrop
I wrote a novel. It is isn't easy to do because there are road blocks along the way. You have to keep going though. Taking a break from writing it is good too. But don't stop. You will get there in the end.
Have just finished a final edit of my first novel and having a manuscript assessment this week . Whew what an accomplishment!!! Here's hoping for publication.
*Fingers crossed*
Wishing you the best of luck!
Do drop by to share the good news!
EXAMINER, did you ever download the copy I sent to you? If you haven’t send me another email for a new code. You might want to do that anyway, we discovered some “printers’ errors” in the other copy and uploaded a re-edited Edition that is available now.
I have always wanted to write a novel. I would imagine that it takes a lot of skill and patience to finish one.
Anything worth doing needs patience, i think. And i'd love to say skill isn't needed but that would be an insult to all our budding novelists, now wouldn't it?!
I think you get all the skill you neeed to write from living, from reading and from feeling.
Just my humble opinion, of course.
then...perhaps a compilation of all yo' attempts & call it memoirsof a wanna be novelist....hmmm...
Do you have trouble balancing writing your novel and being active on HubPages? I find when I'm working on my book, my HP following falls off.
Absolutely, Kathleen!
I've been a member for five months and don't even have 20 hubs yet. Some people can churn out one a day and that's great for them but I just don't have the strength to manage both a novel and original hubs.
Although we've got a progressing story here in the forums -
http://hubpages.com/forum/topic/93211
Since my hubs are mainly poems, I find that I only really need half an hour or so collectively to write one. Articles would drive me crazy!
Still, I'm afloat!
I just checked your profile . . . Christ, you're successful!
I would post a link but I'm afraid I'd get flagged for posting promotional material!
If you truly want to finish your novel... I would suggest reading up a bit on story structure and coming up with a strong outline for your story (although you might have already done that)... This way you have a rough map as to where you need to end up...
That is probably exactly what would have happened.
I saw one on you profile, is that the same one? Yes, best not to post it as W.E. said!
Thank you for the advice; I make it a habit to outline before I start. As for structure, I tend to invent my own . . . not sure if that is good or bad!
Yes that's the one!
Inventing your structure, that’s a very good thing... In fact one should let the story guide the structure... But it helps to know how others do it or what successful writers have to say about structure, character development etc. I love to read "how to" books on writing but the best quote about writing that I have read is: 'There are only three rules to writing a good novel, and nobody knows what they are!'
Well, i'll see how it goes! If nothing else, at least I'm being my own person.
I tried reading those books but in the end i just thought that telling a person how to write is like telling them how to feel . . . it can't be forced.
As for that quote, were it a question instead of a statement, I'd say you only need heart, soul and patience.
Also for anyone interested, I am paying an 11% commission for promoting my Novel in E-book format. Email me through the hubpages system for more information.
I have written two novels but haven't got the heart to publish it yet. I guess I'm too scared to take on competition
At least, most of the work has been done. Sounds good!
When you're ready, I'm sure you will take them on. And then, you'll have nothing to do but celebrate when it's a success!
Fear is useless. If your novels are ready, publish them. Your readers may well appreciate your efforts, but there is only one way to find out.
Yes, my novel (based on much of my own life so far) is 99% finished, and I am getting a cover designed for it! And looking forward to self-publishing on the web and selling and earning dosh from it! LOL!
WE: I was just reading about your Hubpages Fiction Readers Club, is it still active?
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Thanks. I did send out a newsletter about one month ago, but received very little response. So the project is currently dormant.
Well if you resuscitate it, let me know and I will provide you free digital copies of my book to distribute to your members if you would like.
I’m giving away 10,000 copies to anyone that is active duty Military throughout the month of March so what’s a few more.
If you know anyone serving that might be interested in receiving a digital copy have them email a request through my site from their military email address.
Writing a novel is hard work, there is no doubt about that. I think writing an outline of the entire novel is helpful in making it through the process. I recently had my first book published, "Influencing Destiny: Poetry and Prose". It's not a novel, but it's a good start. Don't give up trying to write your novel.
Outlines are definitely useful! I started with one and found that along the way, It changed more times than I can care to count! Still, I need a guideline for when I work!
Congratulations!!
I love hearing that so many people have had their dreams come true or are on the track! It really helps me stay optimistic!
What sort of book is this, if you don't mind my asking?
Pretty sure there wasn’t any e-commerce happening. Announcing that your book is newly published and available in a thread discussing hub members that are writing, or have written a novel, isn’t exactly a sales pitch.
Nor is directing someone that is participating, who inquires about the book to a location to provide the information they requested.
They also cut the link I posted to your Fiction Readers Club too. Something I think is also worthy of mention in this thread and fully within the scope of the discussion.
This is an interesting issue worthy of its own forum thread, I think. I am not saying there was any e-commerce going on. But without rules, this thread and others like it would soon be flooded with links, and others would stop posting their opinions.
A self-promotion forum would solve a lot of problems, if it were feasible.
To that point I would agree, but I certianly did not see a violation of those rules with either of the links that were posted, niether the one to your hub nor the one to Pat Bertram's site.
I don't know what make the moderators "tick" or "snip." I see your point, and thank you for the attention to my hub. After the link to the interview was snipped, I easily located the post based on your description. A good interview.
Thank you very much WE that was quite nice. I would also like to extend my thanks for the placement of my novel at your bookstore as well. I'm flattered.
I think your Fiction Readers Club is great idea, terrific way for someone with your skills and abilities to share with and encourage other members and way for authors and readers to interact.
I wrote a novel a while back. Before I put any effort into editing or publishing I had my husband read it. His reaction told me to push it to one side (even though he said it was good... we all know when the ones we love are lying).
Such a decision should be based on the story's potential, so you may want to have someone else take a look.
I’d suggest that you request at least ten people to read it, with the gentle instruction of reading not editing. Have them doing nothing but concentrate on the story line, characters and pace as they read. Then once they have finished don’t just ask their opinion, but ask direct questions about the three items above. Like the casting couch questions, “if this story were a movie who would you cast as the leading character?
The answer to this will let you know if you have developed your character to the depth that you want the reader to comprehend. Only you really know what your character is supposed to be, the question will help you to know if you got the likeness across.
With this information you can then flesh out the manuscript and see through the "kindness".
I've tried before, even got one completely finished and in an angry, self doubting fit I deleted the whole thing. I'm working on one now that hopefully will work out better. I'll have to try the stopping when I know what I'm going to write next, though I'm thinking it'll probably keep me up all night having all those thoughts going through my head.
I'd written a whole one too, it was years ago and I deleted it. Mainly because it had just been a way for me to vent. I may however have snippets of it left somewhere.
Sleepless nights, are for me, a regular occurence-my brain kills me with overthinking!
I hope this one you're working one survives and goes well!
I've written a manuscript for a fiction book, but am hung up on the submission process. Writing the story was fun and even revising it was fun, but following all the guidelines and format rules for a proper submission package just seems like so much work to me. I've got to discipline myself to get into the business side of writing.
I tried once but I can't finish it. I need new ideas. I need to travel. I need new experiences and new things to inspire me to write. Novel is too long to write and it really needs effort and brains. . I can only write short stories. We'll I'm hoping that someday I can finish what I have started.
I actually JUST published my first book. It's very short though and geared towards teenage girls. I am currently working on three others at the moment.
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