Who Cares About Trump's Affair with a Porn Star?

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  1. blueheron profile image92
    blueheronposted 5 years ago

    The MSM has a decades'-long history of lies. They also have a serious problem with who have little or no knowledge or understanding of the subjects they write about. (That's putting it charitably. It is hard to see how journalists covering real estate, business, and finance could really be so ignorant. Kinda looks like they are just shills.)

    One example that stands out in my mind is the way the MSM was hyping real estate right in the teeth of the real estate bust. Alternative media had been on top of the impending bust for several years before it happened. In the case of the real estate bust, it kinda makes you think that those who control the MSM were looking for bagholders. Being well aware that the whole scheme was about to go tits up, they were eager to unload their bad investments on an uninformed (read "deliberately misinformed") public.

    You also never saw any MSM coverage of the massive frauds the lenders committed.

    The MSM's lack of analysis of this and just about all other issues is also troubling.

    Alternative media had also been warning of the impending financial crisis of 2008 for a couple of years before it happened, as well as publishing data showing the horrendous state of the banks' balance sheets.

    The MSM's response to both of these crises was basically, "No one could have foreseen...."

    You may have forgotten how the MSM presented poll after poll showing that Hillary was sure to win the election.

    There are many more examples. I'm too pressed for time right now to do a lot of searching to document them.

    1. JAKE Earthshine profile image67
      JAKE Earthshineposted 5 years agoin reply to this

      Not sure what this long drawn out unrelated post has to do with Mr. Trump's Un-Christian adulterous one night stand with a voluptuous pornography actress named Stormy Daniels and her attorney Michael Avenatti who is torturing Donald by the day with shocking, new criminal evidence against him and his sloppy lawyer Michael Cohen, but if you're truly interested in somebody who is a pathological liar, somebody who could care less about the truth, morals, values, Christianity or this country, look no further than the stooge in the white house who tries as hard as he can every day to insult his own fans:

      Mr. Trump could be impeached on these grounds alone:

      "President Trump lied more than 3,000 times in 466 days"

      (CNN)The Washington Post's Fact-Checker blog has been keeping a strict count of President Donald Trump's many misstatements, untruths and outright lies. And, over the weekend at a rally in Michigan, Trump hit a(nother) milestone: He topped 3,000 untrue or misleading statements in 466 days in office.

      That means that, on average, Trump says 6.5 things that aren't true a day. Every. Single. Day. (Trump is actually picking up the pace when it comes to not telling the truth; he has averaged nine untruths or misleading statements a day over the past two months, according to the Post's count.)

      https://www.cnn.com/2018/05/01/politics … index.html

      1. wilderness profile image93
        wildernessposted 5 years agoin reply to this

        Sounds like you're of the opinion that only Christians, or at a minimum those that espouse the Christian mores, be allowed in the White House.  Specifically only those people that agree with the discriminatory, demeaning and perverted Christian ideas on sex.

        You are aware that we decided 200 years ago that Christianity does not rule our government?

  2. JAKE Earthshine profile image67
    JAKE Earthshineposted 5 years ago

    WoW: Breaking BIG**********: Judge rules Trump to be deposed: Trump to be Deposed: Trump to be Deposed:

    Judge says Trump can be deposed in Summer Zervos defamation case

    A judge ruled on Tuesday that President Donald Trump can be deposed in connection with a lawsuit brought by Summer Zervos, a former contestant on “The Apprentice” who accused Donald Trump of sexually assaulting her in 2007 and is now suing the president for defamation.

    Judge Jennifer Schecter of the New York State Supreme Court set out a discovery schedule for the case, despite Trump attorney Marc Kasowitz’s attempts to delay the matter pending appeals.

    https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/lawyers … d=55668097

    1. Randy Godwin profile image60
      Randy Godwinposted 5 years agoin reply to this

      A storm's a-comin' no doubt!

      1. Sharlee01 profile image79
        Sharlee01posted 5 years agoin reply to this

        Yes, it is and it's not due to a civil defamation lawsuit. It will be the Clinton/Obama house of cards collapsing. I always knew the Clinton's would go out with a big splash... LOL

    2. Sharlee01 profile image79
      Sharlee01posted 5 years agoin reply to this

      Well, all Trump has to do is admit he called her a liar, and pay a chunk of cash to this woman. And he should, I mean she got nothing at least the SD got some money. Although she will most likely be paying that and a lot more to Cohen.   However, I think Trump will fight the case and win.

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        ahorsebackposted 5 years agoin reply to this

        I kind of wonder why Bill Clinton's actual rape victims  won't get their own Stormy Daniels day , do you suppose it's because liberals have no self diagnosis  ability  for extreme hypocrisy ?

        They won't answer this one I'll bet !
        Jake ?
        Randy ?
        Prettypanther ?
        Credence ?
        Peoplepower ?

        1. Sharlee01 profile image79
          Sharlee01posted 5 years agoin reply to this

          Horse, Bill Clinton actually raped and got so rough with Bodwick that he bit her lips...  He and his wife attempted to destroy any woman that made accusations.  And most liberals just can't seem to comprehend how hypocritical they are for excepting these two cheap grifters as people to respect and look up too.     The Clinton have escaped the law for many years. I truly hope they are held accountable for all of their crimes.   and end up in the same jail cell. Now that would be justice.  And I am sure the worst punishment either of them could imagine.

          And no Horse, they won't answer you. They can't, they have not got the ability to see what is right in front of them.  Expect a glib remark or a quick deflection to a far away subject.

          1. JAKE Earthshine profile image67
            JAKE Earthshineposted 5 years agoin reply to this

            So, that's not what this discussion is about: Put on your law cap and go prosecute them: According to fox fake channel, both Hillary and Bill live in New York and reportedly share the presidency alternating every other week: Hillary is president 3 days, and Bill 4 days, they bounce the grand child on their knees in between:

            But here's the real deal, everyone knows if we still have laws, Donny Boy is gone, he's Trump Toast, even 'Batty' Rudy Giuliani is preparing for his impeachment but it will be much more severe for this traitor: A judge today ordered Donny must be deposed in the Summer Zervos defamation case and he can't use the 'I'm too busy excuse' because he's the laziest old man to ever live in the white house:

            HOLY Wow !!!! Do you know what this means?  Think about it for a few seconds, Donny, the guy who apparently just recently had another hallucination about spies in his campaign, will be subjected to questions under oath for hours with the penalty of perjury hanging over his swelled up orange head: He must do something he's never done before, TELL the Truth !!!!:He can't lie, my God what poetic justice:

            Judge: Trump can be deposed in Summer Zervos lawsuit

            "A judge ruled Tuesday that President Donald Trump can be deposed in a defamation lawsuit brought last year by Summer Zervos, a former contestant on "The Apprentice” who says Trump kissed and groped her after she appeared on the show."

            https://www.politico.com/story/2018/06/ … uit-624186

            https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yrpmv_zOa0k

  3. JAKE Earthshine profile image67
    JAKE Earthshineposted 5 years ago

    Breaking BIG Now ********* WoW: Stormy sues Mr. Trump, Cohen and Davidson for 'Conspiracy':

    God only knows how many detrimental law suits both civil and criminal will emerge as the special master uncovers and deciphers the trove of evidence from the FBI raid of Mr. Trump's sloppy attorney Michael Cohen: Michael Avenatti also seems to have the inside track into damning evidence against Mr. Trump, evidence which he claims Donald will never survive, and if what we've seen to date is an example of said evidence, he's absolutely right on target:

    In this round of legal actions we have what are said to be correspondence between Cohen and Davidson which Avenatti claims to implicate Mr. Trump as a 'wiseman': This evidence he says supports a 'conspiracy' to Stormy Daniel's detriment: UNREAL what is being uncovered and now we know why Avenatti is making the claim that Trump can never survive: UNREAL:

    Correspondence excerpt:


    "By doing tomorrow you just create another news cycle instead of putting an end to this one," he wrote, according to the suit.

    But Cohen then said that "the wise men" believed Daniels' story was "dying" and that it wouldn't be "smart" for her to do interviews."

    COMPLETE Story Here: WoW:

    http://www.businessinsider.com/stormy-d … tti-2018-6

    1. Sharlee01 profile image79
      Sharlee01posted 5 years agoin reply to this

      Jake as always you do not have your facts straight. Is president trump not being sued in this lawsuit.
      "Breaking BIG Now ********* WoW: Stormy sues Mr. Trump, Cohen and Davidson for 'Conspiracy':"

      "The pornographic film actress Stephanie Clifford sued President Trump’s fixer, Michael D. Cohen, and her own former lawyer on Wednesday, making public a set of text messages discussing efforts to quash the story of her alleged affair with Mr. Trump as it emerged early this year."  NYT. June 7, 2018

      Please read the article it will educate you on the facts No wow here...  Jake the man she is suing encouraged her not to break her non-disclosure agreement and had filed for her to be released from the binding legal contract. Creepy Porn lawyer talked her into breaking the agreement. Which will have her paying Cohen a ton of cash when the lawsuit is looked judged.   

      Breaking BIG Now ********* WoW: Stormy sues Mr. Trump, Cohen and Davidson for 'Conspiracy':

      https://www.nytimes.com/2018/06/06/us/p … wsuit.html

      1. JAKE Earthshine profile image67
        JAKE Earthshineposted 5 years agoin reply to this

        Well, you're just inaccurate again: What you don't seem to understand Sharlee01 is the fact that according to reports of court filings and verbal declarations, aside from a couple of other sleazy clients including Sean 'welfare queen' Hammity, it appears as if sloppy Cohen has had essentially one steady client for the past decade named Mr. Trump: Cohen up until at least a couple months ago according to public evidence, was still using the title and I paraphrase, 'Personal Attorney to the Trump Organization' which indicates he's working on Mr. Trump's behalf and that's damning:

        As we've already seen, the FBI raid on Cohen's properties is huge and nobody really understands the gravity of the legal jeopardy your hero Donny Boy is actually exposed to: The days and weeks ahead I'm confident will continue to be alarming as untold detrimental revelations emerge:

        The sooner Donny is removed and sent directly to prison, the sooner we can begin to salvage what's remaining off this tattered nation once know as the United States of America:

        Breaking BIG ******* WoW

        https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/pol … 677993002/

        https://usercontent1.hubstatic.com/14072454.jpg

        1. wilderness profile image93
          wildernessposted 5 years agoin reply to this

          " nobody really understands the gravity of the legal jeopardy your hero Donny Boy is actually exposed to"

          Well, at least it is certain YOU don't understand the level of legal jeopardy there!

        2. Sharlee01 profile image79
          Sharlee01posted 5 years agoin reply to this

          Jake you have completely deflected from your comment I replied to. When you are ready to refocus on the subject I will be glad to reply. Otherwise, it's not my job to lesson you in why Cohen was only working for Trump. If you knew anything about large corporations you might realize that it is not unusual for an attorney to only have one client, In fact, Cohen has had this arrangement for many years with the Trump. he has for many years been on a monthly retainer.   

          Jake, once again one has to be charged with a crime to end up in jail?

        3. dianetrotter profile image62
          dianetrotterposted 5 years agoin reply to this

          Takes a very large magazine to spank that!

          1. JAKE Earthshine profile image67
            JAKE Earthshineposted 5 years agoin reply to this

            And a large blindfold for Stormy

          2. Randy Godwin profile image60
            Randy Godwinposted 5 years agoin reply to this

            And can you imagine him in the nude, Diane? That whacky WH physician apparently saw him naked and gave him a very generous report on his health.  lol

            1. wilderness profile image93
              wildernessposted 5 years agoin reply to this

              Obviously a fake report, from from true.  Right?  Because you KNOW better even though there are exactly zero examinations which found otherwise.

              1. Randy Godwin profile image60
                Randy Godwinposted 5 years agoin reply to this

                Sure, it's obviously a fake report, Dan. Haven't you been keeping up with the scandals surrounding the fine doctor. Spanky's  first doctor admitted his patient dictated his own health report after Spanky's thugs raided his office and took all of his files. This was on the real news and probably not Faux News.


                The last WH physician Jackson is being accused of drinking on the job as well as abusing his privileges before his untimely departure. So yes, taking one look at Spanky's tremendous rear end--not to mention the side view--I truly believe the report was a piece of creative writing at the very best.

            2. Sharlee01 profile image79
              Sharlee01posted 5 years agoin reply to this

              So disgusting to see you insult DR. Jackson. All because you can...   What a small mind.

            3. JAKE Earthshine profile image67
              JAKE Earthshineposted 5 years agoin reply to this

              Yeah Randy, I don't think a doctor, even a quack like Jackson would go through the emotional trauma of making Mr. Trump disrobe for a medical examination:

              He probably just gave him a 2 minute 'visual' inspection with crappy looking Chinese made suit and tie in place, made him cough once and then let Donny write his own report on a bubble gum wrapper: How else could he say Donny Boy was in tip top when he really has heart disease, high cholesterol, suffers from obesity and who knows how many STD HeeBee JeeBees and Siffy Wiffys that might have not been disclosed:

              And what's wrong with his skin pigment? Orangey with purpleish gray bulging eye bags and lips is abnormal for a human being unless you're some kind of goldfish hybrid:

              1. Randy Godwin profile image60
                Randy Godwinposted 5 years agoin reply to this

                Are you claiming he's not a perfect physical specimen, Jake?  Fake News!!  tongue

            4. dianetrotter profile image62
              dianetrotterposted 5 years agoin reply to this

              I just thought about the accessories that go with those little hands.  $130K should have been squared.

  4. JAKE Earthshine profile image67
    JAKE Earthshineposted 5 years ago

    Utterly absurd and disturbingly misogynist: What has this collapsing country become other than a 3rd rate sewer dictatorship?

    Imagine this, I know it's hard to believe, but 'Batty' Rudy Giuliani, an elderly gross creepy guy who looks like this:
       
    https://usercontent2.hubstatic.com/14072863_f1024.jpg

    Is now trying to render judgment on the physical appearance of a beautiful woman like this:

    https://usercontent1.hubstatic.com/14072868.jpg

  5. profile image0
    ahorsebackposted 5 years ago

    Somebody ought to do something about the Shock Jock political commentators here ,  If it wasn't for the first grade Trump criticism mentality , they wouldn't have ANY political  offerings whatsoever .  But I suppose they are evolving ; from never Trumpers
    -Orange hair
    -Trump  fat -shaming
    -Skin color insults
    -Hand size insults
    -Trump family insults
    -Derogatory insults
    -Policy ignorance
    -Trumps wife insults 
    -Trump daughter insults
    Not that it bothers Trump much but the left would have had many emotional melt downs had Obama been treated the way Trump and especially his family is treated  , It leads us to fully realize that Liberals have absolutely no respect for ALL women , for ANY family or the office of the presidency ,  oh well "What goes around ,always  comes back around again "!

    1. dianetrotter profile image62
      dianetrotterposted 5 years agoin reply to this

      Horse, you are feeding into it.  I come back every few days and it continues.  If I get depressed, I'm going to check out this porno thread.  I don't want to miss the next day.

      If Trumpers would not respond, maybe the comedians would try their material out at a local comedy club.

    2. JAKE Earthshine profile image67
      JAKE Earthshineposted 5 years agoin reply to this

      ahorseback neglected to mention Donny's sickly looking purplish gray bulging eye bags and lips:

      But strangely enough, I never hear him condemn Donny's disgraceful insults of just about everyone other than himself, and perhaps that's why Donny has opened himself up to the onslaught of legitimate criticisms:

      I just hope for his sake Donny Boy is smart enough to keep his big mouth shut in prison, because either Mueller or Stormy or Cohen will soon have the distinct pleasure of sending him there, very soon:

      My advise would be for him to maintain his weight of about 400 pounds too, don't go on a diet, he might want to discourage Bubba, not entice him:

      I'm sure everyone feels for this disgraceful bozo:

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PX9reO3QnUA

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        ahorsebackposted 5 years agoin reply to this

        Your posts are morally similar to the comedians that insult Trumps family constantly and the hypocrites that support them ,  I feel for you though , the lack of political reality hits certain liberals very hard , it must be difficult to live on the dark side of knowing Trump will serve out his terms unhindered by your hatred , Trump  actually couldn't care less about the lame insight from his resisters .
        You guys'll be in jail before Trump ever will though  .

        Trumps bulletproof .

  6. Valeant profile image86
    Valeantposted 5 years ago

    For a guy who doesn't care, he sure does spend a lot of time watching tv to see how he's being perceived.

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      ahorsebackposted 5 years agoin reply to this

      Trumps one of those guys that sleeps about five hours a night ,  I think the perception that he watches too  much Fox news is a ruse to make him look stupid.  That's all .

      1. JAKE Earthshine profile image67
        JAKE Earthshineposted 5 years agoin reply to this

        He actually looks like he sleeps about 30 minutes a night and believe me, he doesn't 'look' stupid:

        The world would be a much better and safer place if we had many more Anthony Bourdains and far less Trumps:

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          ahorsebackposted 5 years agoin reply to this

          Anthony Bourdain's ?  What  are you talking about now ?

        2. dianetrotter profile image62
          dianetrotterposted 5 years agoin reply to this

          I love Anthony Bourdain.  He has an amazing success story.  It's too bad he couldn't overcome his demons.

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            PrettyPantherposted 5 years agoin reply to this

            [Raises glass to Anthony Bourdain.]

            May he rest in peace.

          2. Sharlee01 profile image79
            Sharlee01posted 5 years agoin reply to this

            And yet he gets so much done...

          3. JAKE Earthshine profile image67
            JAKE Earthshineposted 5 years agoin reply to this

            https://usercontent2.hubstatic.com/14074939.jpg

            We need more honest, straight shooter strong men and women of courage and character like Anthony Bourdain leading the USA instead of weak, mentally unstable, low life, cesspool mega-corrupt elite politicians like Mr. Trump who are afraid to serve in the military because his feet hurt and who sabotage this country damaging it beyond repair every single day, and who engage in adulterous one night stands with much younger porn actresses under false pretenses while his new wife is home with child:

            Real Christians, not the Jerry Falwell Juniors of the world call that an abomination, unforgivable sin:

            Stormy said Donny is 'generic' and unattractive and she should know about the former, we all know about the latter, and she essentially said the only reason she painfully endured the night with him was to get a spot on his crappy television show he promised her, a weird awkward show that seemed to sink in the ratings year after year:

            1. blueheron profile image92
              blueheronposted 5 years agoin reply to this

              My, my. Your idea of a staggering blow is to accuse someone of "fat shaming" women. News flash: Obesity is both unattractive and unhealthy, and almost everyone has at some time remarked on these objective facts. (People will generally cut you some slack on that when you're 70+ years old.)

              As for Trump being described as "unattractive and generic" in the sack by some old whore: Meh. What this means is that some old whore thinks he's "unattractive and generic." Though I'm sure you believe that the failing to fulfill the expectations of old whores is an impeachable offense. 

              You also appear to be completely unfamiliar with the Viet Nam War era. Everyone who was able to avoid the draft did so. Every parent who was able to keep their sons from being drafted (usually by keeping them in college for the duration) did so. If Trump hadn't evaded the draft, I would consider him a moron.

              1. JAKE Earthshine profile image67
                JAKE Earthshineposted 5 years agoin reply to this

                If everybody avoided the draft during the Vietnam era we'd be flying the 'sickle and hammer', which is exactly where your orange hero is leading this collapsing country: 5 draft dodges, a genuine coward while John McCain sacrificed his health for you and us:

                Most 71 year old individuals I know are not prone to a diet of strictly KFC and big macs like Donald apparently is hence his unattractive, flabby obese state of ailing physical health: They also get much more exercise than the laziest old man who ever polluted our oval office does:

                They don't paint their faces orange or comb their back hairs up over the top of their heads either:

                There are many attractive 70 year old men and women out there, it's just a fact that Donald isn't one of them and I feel for Stormy who endured a terrible night with him when she was in her twenties, spanking Donny and all: She deserves a few million for that heroic feat alone, aside from the defamation:

                1. dianetrotter profile image62
                  dianetrotterposted 5 years agoin reply to this

                  The Viet Nam tribute at the Capitol displays the names of thousands who did not draft dodge.  I know several of them.

                  I know many who came back and had mental issues.  All came back from an unpopular war and were not considered heroes.  Black vets came back to deal with discrimination that didn't exist in a fox hole.

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                    ahorsebackposted 5 years agoin reply to this

                    Hypocrisy rears its ugly head once Again , It's amazing that NOW Vietnam vets become the instant heroes of the left in this thread ?  Right !............for a purpose though . This is exactly what I mean about the amazing and chameleon hypocrisy  displayed at will by the amazing members here  .
                    Most times they care so little about the troops.

                  2. Sharlee01 profile image79
                    Sharlee01posted 5 years agoin reply to this

                    Yes, the left will adopt anything in "Vogue"...  I am married to a Vietnam vet. He got his letter a week after graduating. Not even 19... He spent his tour, he came back to a country that some felt had the right to belittle him in his uniform any way they felt the urge to do. They labeled themselves as liberals".   In fact the day I picked him at the airport we were so happy we could have floated away. It was short lived. We stopped on the way home at a nice restaurant I had made reservations to treat him to have a great meal.  As we walked to our table. A man literally stood up and spit at my husband. 

                    In regards to your mention of how blacks were treated when they returned, perhaps worse as I remember it. And I hope you will in no way take offense at what I am going to say.  You have totally correct in regards to Blacks getting more respect in the foxholes. Many in my generation were raised to be respectful of all races. My mom and dad instilled in me that just because one has a different color skin makes them no different from me. Yes, there are racists, but there are also people that really don't see skin color.  Sad to see we have come so many years and black people still have to deal with racism.  Could part of it be that politicians seek to keep it thriving? 

                    I now have a 4 year old grandchild.  Last summer we were at a park, he came to me and asked me about me a question about a little black boy he was playing with. He asked, " why is the brown"? I told him he was born with that color skin, just like you were born with your color skin. As he walked away he asked, "can somebody be born blue"?  I may be...  If only more could be excepting of skin color as just that, a color.  It's up to us to stop racism in our homes, and it should not be hard to do. I saw this that day in the park.

      2. dianetrotter profile image62
        dianetrotterposted 5 years agoin reply to this

        He not only watches Fox.  He watches Morning Joe on MSNBC.  They spar every now and then.  He watches CNN also.  He loves to hate Don Lemon.

  7. Sharlee01 profile image79
    Sharlee01posted 5 years ago

    Chin-chin!

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    ahorsebackposted 5 years ago

    Radio free tom has an fools sense of politics , his misreading of not only Trump but Trumps entire base is what blinds him Trump IS listening to his people . What is it they say about any fool and a microphone .......

  9. JAKE Earthshine profile image67
    JAKE Earthshineposted 5 years ago

    Breaking BIG ******** : Holy Wow Batman !!!!: This is actually better than the crimes Spanky n' Cohen are accused of:

    "Avenatti renews demand that Rudy apologize to Stormy Daniels and suggests he can prove Trump lawyer is a porn consumer:"

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article … sumer.html

    If this report is accurate, I guess maybe we might find out why Mr. CONservative Morals and values 'Batty' Rudy Giuliani walks around looking like this all the time: Trying to keep your eyes focused on a bright searing PC monitor all night into the morning can't be easy, hour after hour eating popcorn and milk duds washed down with a coors light, sitting with an unwashed rain coat on with a dark mask partially covering your elderly face to evade detection and identification might make anyone's pupils bulge like a bizarre looking 250 pound hoot owls:

    'Riders on the Storm': Are we taking a little peak inside Stormy's world there Batty?:

    https://usercontent1.hubstatic.com/14078988_f1024.jpg

    1. blueheron profile image92
      blueheronposted 5 years agoin reply to this

      Tell us a little about yourself, Jake.

      Do you expect to be allowed "shoe privileges" any time soon?

  10. JAKE Earthshine profile image67
    JAKE Earthshineposted 5 years ago

    https://usercontent2.hubstatic.com/14080571.jpg

    Well, well, well

    "Trump's personal attorney splits with his own legal team"

    "CNN)President Donald Trump's personal attorney, Michael Cohen, has split with the legal team that has shepherded him through a criminal investigation that included a high-profile FBI raid, a source familiar with the change said Wednesday.

    The split could signal a shift in legal strategy and comes amid mounting pressure on Cohen as criminal charges could become likely."

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yrpmv_zOa0k

    1. Randy Godwin profile image60
      Randy Godwinposted 5 years agoin reply to this

      Jake, could there be a "flip" possible?  Ooooooooooooh. I think there could......

      1. JAKE Earthshine profile image67
        JAKE Earthshineposted 5 years agoin reply to this

        Randy, seriously, would you become Big Bubba's little prison toy for this strange looking ridiculous incoherent fool? I could be dead wrong, and we know he's not playing with all 88 piano keys, but I really don't think sloppy Cohen is that dumb do you?

        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aaoV4fxFk2Q

        I think Donny Boy had better think about packing on another 100 or so pounds really quick to be absolutely sure Big Bubba, the pen bully will be repulsed by his presence just like the American people already are: Adding another daily bucket of KFC might do the trick:

  11. JAKE Earthshine profile image67
    JAKE Earthshineposted 5 years ago
  12. Randy Godwin profile image60
    Randy Godwinposted 5 years ago

    lol I guess Shar and horse don't realize BlueHeron is a Spanky fan like they are?  LMAO!

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      ahorsebackposted 5 years agoin reply to this

      Shock jocks are all like that .  The attempted pitting of  one against the other as you guys are always doing  with your fourth grade level political posts ? The Howard Stearns of hubpages , be proud .

  13. Valeant profile image86
    Valeantposted 5 years ago

    The real fourth grade post was right there.  Most of us learned by fourth grade that you use a question mark at the end of a question.  If you're going to try and claim to be smart, please, for the love of God, get a grip on basic writing skills.

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      ahorsebackposted 5 years agoin reply to this

      Apparently the grammar police have arrived .

      Anybody care deeply ?

    2. blueheron profile image92
      blueheronposted 5 years agoin reply to this

      Well, one could commit a punctuation error from time to time. But some here have freed themselves from the tyranny of--not only Spellcheck and Grammar Check--but all pretense of consecutive and rational thought. Oopsie! Could happen to anyone, right? People go barking mad every day, right?

      The next thing you know they are countering statements of objective facts with lurid fantasies, name-calling, and abusive language--apparently believing that the way you prove a point is to become agitated. But I don't think I'll be holding my breath in the expectation that they will acknowledge the relevant standards and try to correct themselves.

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      ahorsebackposted 5 years agoin reply to this

      You realize that this is but one more excuse for a no substance response to a legit post , call the usual names , lets see , racist , bigot , misogynist ,blah, blah blah and when you tire of those or they don't apply  ,  the grammar ?
      But then SOME could go through fourth grade six times and not learn  that this is a political  forum not an english class ,  get over it.

  14. Valeant profile image86
    Valeantposted 5 years ago

    Legit?  When you claim to be this all-knowing political genius, as you do with many of your posts, you shouldn't be surprised if some of us call bs since you write at such a low educational level.

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      ahorsebackposted 5 years agoin reply to this

      Is that kind of like you thinking and debating at such a low education level ?

  15. Valeant profile image86
    Valeantposted 5 years ago

    Go ahead and provide an example of that ridiculous statement.  We'll wait.

    1. Sharlee01 profile image79
      Sharlee01posted 5 years agoin reply to this

      "We'll wait"...  Did the conversation become Horse against all?  Valeant, it was you that made the derogatory statement directed at Horse. Do you feel your part of a group when you post a comment?
      That you are some sort of one minded "pack"?  Do you have the right to open up criticism of those that practice your ideology?  Your statement is very telling, it shows me you are following a herd blindly hoping to be part of a majority.  I will say, you have the talent to fit in, you deflect well, your statements are glib, and reflect the ideology of the left.  Not even sure which of Horses post brought you to revert to a "grammar insult"?  You took a cheat PC jab at Horse.   I am not PC. But, I guess you may have been aware of that.   So, just a tip. When you can't provide a comment of substance, perhaps you should not comment, and maybe consider not using the term "we'll wait".  You don't have the innate right to involve others in your scrappy conversations. This is not the fourth - grade, and you are not bullying someone on the playground with a bunch of your like peers cheering you on! 

      Oh, and I suggest you have a look round you. You are fast becoming a small minority.

    2. Sharlee01 profile image79
      Sharlee01posted 5 years agoin reply to this

      Oh, Since you opened the door with your statement  "Go ahead and provide an example of that ridiculous statement". Who do we start with?

  16. JAKE Earthshine profile image67
    JAKE Earthshineposted 5 years ago

    While Stormy's attorney Michael Avenatti tortures Donald Trump in every way, and Summer Zervos' pending law suit paves the way for her and Stormy's 'discovery' of Mr. Trump which could unearth even more stunning revelations, and as we all patiently yet anxiously await the inevitable indictment of Mr. Trump's sloppy 'fixer' Michael Cohen, you might want to keep one eye on the greatest point crash in Dow Jones history caused by Spanky Trump and his insane trade wars coupled with his instigating of global strife and chaos, a massive stock market correction which has yet to recover months later:

    Your IRAS, bank accounts, stocks, 401ks and stock accounts are getting hammered today and as I suggested a couple weeks ago, we might be in for another test of Trump's historical crash which occurred a few months ago in FEB 2018:

    If the Dow Jones fails to hold on to 25,000, we're in for a very shocking ride, but not as shocking as the potential damning revelations which may emerge from "Flipper Michael Cohen':

  17. Valeant profile image86
    Valeantposted 5 years ago

    Sharlee, when Horse comes on and throws around insults like 'your fourth grade level political posts,' some of us are going to respond to those insults, especially with the hypocrisy of how poorly they are written from an educational perspective.  It was like Trump calling DeNiro a low IQ individual while misspelling the word 'to' in claiming 'he took to many shots to the head.'  And you call that a comment of substance?  That's another example of your right-wing double standard.  Obama golfed too much, right?

    There's a limit to how many times we read his pompousness without responding.  If Horse doesn't want to get called out for his crap, don't come on here throwing around insults at members of the opposite political party.  It's just that simple.

    1. Randy Godwin profile image60
      Randy Godwinposted 5 years agoin reply to this

      I've found Spanky's voters are just like him, Val. Truth and facts are unimportant to both in the scheme of things. One of the reasons both depend on Hannity for their "facts".

      1. Sharlee01 profile image79
        Sharlee01posted 5 years agoin reply to this

        Randy, do you ever actually add a comment on the subject?  Should you just take a bit of time and review your posts.  Nothing to add to a given subject. Just a sentence or to, mostly glib comments trying to prop up another users post.   It is apparent you are at the back of the herd.  Can't be pleasant back there?

    2. Sharlee01 profile image79
      Sharlee01posted 5 years agoin reply to this

      Valeant, nice deflect.  Do you not comprehend my comment?  I was addressing you. Asking you a question.     My comment to you was very clear.    "We'll wait'... Why not direct your response to my comment. You are once again deflecting. Did I hit a nerve, did I make you stop and hum?   You took a cheap shot and made an attempt to portray it as PC. Your slipping, it was rude. As I said I am not PC. I don't play that game.  Why did you feel you had the right to use the term We'll wait?   To me, this is far worse than a  missing bit of punctuation.  It's words and the intellect that gives Horse an edge over you.  He speaks for himself. He does not appear to need a herd mulling behind him.  My comment referred to your statement We'll wait". I addressed herd mentality and wanted you to explain why you made that statement. "I" will wait for your explanation, keep to subject. I do not appreciate the deflect.

      Oh, and using the word  "right" after a statement is out of vogue.  It's old, stale.

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      ahorsebackposted 5 years agoin reply to this

      Hey , Valeant  , Hypocrisy is your middle names over there on the great left of lefts .You've got some nerve though calling it out here merely copying what we call YOU out for in the first place  ,     AND a lot of nerve telling us we should stay out of the conversations  , Why ? So that you on the alt-left can decide ALL of the conversation content , you'd like nothing more . No ! What bothers those of you on the left is that  even a low intellect guy like horse shows more political sense than ten alt-left "know it all's" reading from a Bernie Sanders script .

      Group though is all you got ? Better stay home and read a history book!

      1. Sharlee01 profile image79
        Sharlee01posted 5 years agoin reply to this

        Horse, I certainly am not going away.  I have as much right to be here as anyone else. If someone doesn't like one of my comments, it will be their prerogative to not reply.  Actually, I enjoy having a free speech forum.  I enjoy being able to share our presidents accomplishments. President Trump is doing so well, and I expect he will continue down that path.  Winning is wonderful fun, is it not?

        I am so positive about the future, and no one could take that feeling away with glib comments or unproven innuendo.  Let the sad herd drowned in stupidity, that's something they're very accustomed to.  Hey, remember election night how quickly they started to stomp their feet, cry to the heavens,  called names, and deflected.  Oh, yeah they're still doing that.

  18. Valeant profile image86
    Valeantposted 5 years ago

    Sharlee, if you can't understand sarcasm in using the phrase, we'll wait, maybe it's best you stay out of these conversations.  'Your slipping?'  You mean, you're slipping, right?  Might be stale, but still applicable when trying to teach you guys basic English.

    1. Sharlee01 profile image79
      Sharlee01posted 5 years agoin reply to this

      Sarcasm? Ridiculous.  Yes, I do at times misspell a word or forget a  comma. I don't deflect, I don't make glib statements. I stick to facts and answer questions. How about you?   Oh, and I don't use any form of Grammer program. Do you?  LOL  I like to keep my skills active.  So, you may catch me here and there, but you will never catch me not stating facts unless I state it is a personal opinion.  You see I unlike you do not need a herd.  I have intellect, as well guts to stand on my own.

  19. Valeant profile image86
    Valeantposted 5 years ago

    Your whole Trump cult is a herd, what are you talking about?  You've completely bought into his gaslighting and lies and spew them forth all the time. 

    Our whole Obama economy conversation was proof of that.  You couldn't even acknowledge the gains made during his presidency because your media tells you he was a failure.  You even failed to acknowledge that the decline in the economy came as he took office based on policies of previous presidents.

    Then there's the ignoring of the fact that the FISA warrants on Page were requested two weeks before the election, long after he was out of the Trump team, but you continue to claim that the Obama government spied on the Trump campaign during the process.  Complete ignoring of facts, but you buy into the false talking points Trump tweets out to you.

    1. Sharlee01 profile image79
      Sharlee01posted 5 years agoin reply to this

      "Our whole Obama economy conversation was proof of that.  You couldn't even acknowledge the gains made during his presidency because your media tells you he was a failure.  You even failed to acknowledge that the decline in the economy came as he took office based on policies of previous presidents."   I have never made any claims to what kind of economy Obama was handed. It is clear the economy did poorly under Bush. It is also clear Obama's economy was poor in providing job growth, and unemployment was high.  The stock market was mediocre, flat.

      " Your whole Trump cult is a herd, what are you talking about?  You've completely bought into his gaslighting and lies and spew them forth all the time." 
      Trump won the election via the electoral vote. I have provided solid facts about Trump's accomplishments while it appears some are not willing to accept these facts. Even with solid proof of said facts. That alone is frustrating to a person that relies on facts.

      "Then there's the ignoring of the fact that the FISA warrants on Page were requested two weeks before the election, long after he was out of the Trump team, but you continue to claim that the Obama government spied on the Trump campaign during the process.  Complete ignoring of facts, but you buy into the false talking points Trump tweets out to you."

      "but you continue to claim that the Obama government spied on the Trump campaign during the process."

      I  have stated it many times I do not deal in innuendo such as the Obama administration spying on the Trump campaign.   If I made any comment about this subject it would be based on facts or possibly an opinion.  Yet your accusation is directed at me. 

      I do not follow a herd. And once again you deflect and post a direct insult using absolute untruths.

      One would think you would see what you are doing?  You still can't answer a direct question?  Do you realize you can't delete your comments, and how ridiculous your comments are?   Don't lump me in any group, I don't need any form of back up. I deal in facts. I don't deflect, I don't make glib statements unless trying to make a real point.

      No more deflection, I will not repeat or defend old BS.  I am not here to educate you in the economy or anything else. Believe what you please.  When making an attempt to insult someone have your straight.

      1. Valeant profile image86
        Valeantposted 5 years agoin reply to this

        This is exactly what I'm talking about:
        'It is clear the economy did poorly under Bush. It is also clear Obama's economy was poor in providing job growth, and unemployment was high.  The stock market was mediocre, flat. '

        https://usercontent2.hubstatic.com/14083533.jpg

        When Obama took office in January of 2009, the stock market was 7,949.  When he left office in January of 2017, it was 19,827.  A nearly 12,000 point gain and doubling was mediocre and flat?  Seriously?  That's your position?

        This is what making an argument based in fact looks like.

        1. wilderness profile image93
          wildernessposted 5 years agoin reply to this

          Are you forgetting that when Obama took office we were in the middle of the biggest recession since the 20's?  That would seem to have a slight impact on the rate of rise in the following recovery. big_smile

          Even though Obama spent a trillion dollars and has nothing to show for it, we DID see a recovery.  The slowest in history, but nevertheless a recovery.

          Trump, on the other hand, has produced the lowest unemployment see in decades.  I can't recall the last time job offers exceeded job seekers.

          1. Valeant profile image86
            Valeantposted 5 years agoin reply to this

            Recession caused by which party exactly?  You're dinging Obama for improving the economy run into the ground by the previous party.  Got it.  That's amazing logic.

            So who ran the economy better, Bush jr. or Obama?  Clinton or Bush Sr.?

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              ahorsebackposted 5 years agoin reply to this

              Reagan !

            2. wilderness profile image93
              wildernessposted 5 years agoin reply to this

              Yes, caused by Congress.  By members of both parties.  Yep - Obama improved it...by throwing away a trillion dollars with nothing to show for it.  At least the previous times we got something FOR that money, but Obama just threw it away for nothing in return.

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          ahorsebackposted 5 years agoin reply to this

          That's where Obama put all that money he borrowed from China ?
          You know ? The doublin of the  National debt ?  Those free Chinese  phones surged our stimulus spending greatly .

          1. Valeant profile image86
            Valeantposted 5 years agoin reply to this

            You're dinging Obama for deficit spending that increased the debt when Trump's scheduled to run higher figures.  That's priceless hypocrisy.

          2. Sharlee01 profile image79
            Sharlee01posted 5 years agoin reply to this

            Now come on Horse, we are not supposed to mention the deficit.  LOL Or Iran or Syria, or unemployment or Obama's "red line" that led to 500.000 men women and children being massacred.  Oh, and please don't mention the jobs that left the country. Oh, I forgot the babies immigrants that were kept in cages.  My, this is all so sad is it not?

            1. Valeant profile image86
              Valeantposted 5 years agoin reply to this

              Go ahead and mention the deficit.  But how about you hold your guy to the same standard?  That'd be a change.

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                ahorsebackposted 5 years agoin reply to this

                Trump outspends EVERY PREVIOUS US PRESIDENT in history like Obama did for nothing but entitlements spending  ?  Explain that .   Believe me , we will hold him accountable too !

                Is that legible and clear enough for you ?

              2. Sharlee01 profile image79
                Sharlee01posted 5 years agoin reply to this

                "My Guy" is keeping his campaign promises. My guy has been in office less than two years, and well on his way to solving the nations biggest problems. Many problems your guy caused.  "Your guy' stayed under the radar and caused more problems than he solved.   History will not be kind to him. Whereas Trump, need I even say?

                1. Valeant profile image86
                  Valeantposted 5 years agoin reply to this

                  Saw a quote today and it's likely how history will likely remember your guy...
                  'There has never been a first family that has been more transparent. They lie openly, they cheat openly, they obstruct openly, they steal openly, they collude openly, they threaten and bully openly, they demonstrate their ignorance openly, they openly demonstrate their hypocrisy, they openly flaunt their lack of knowledge of American history, they openly reject science and objective evidence. What could be more transparent?'

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                    ahorsebackposted 5 years agoin reply to this

                    "History" will NOT be kind to Trump yet as history ensues ,  all Trump opponents will enjoy their benefits , trust funds ,individual wealth ,  retirement packages , portfolios , profitability . the economy , national security , business growth , entitlement growth ,Trump is easy to dislike and even hate ,
                    America is getting really good at that .

                    Think Trump really cares ?

                  2. Sharlee01 profile image79
                    Sharlee01posted 5 years agoin reply to this

                    This is a wonderful statement you should copy and put on your refrigerator.  That way you can memorize it.  And yet with all of these faults he is president and one of the best we have ever had... Go figure?

                  3. Sharlee01 profile image79
                    Sharlee01posted 5 years agoin reply to this

                    Valeant, I hope you will take time to read the article I have provided. I think it best when one is disgusting the legacy of a president to actually see what the historians have to say. What, their thoughts are. In regards to Obama, it's not very good...  Not all bad, but most depict his time in office as mediocre. They give him credit for a sandal free 8 years and some give credit for his first years handling the lagging economy. He was faulted on his domestic policies, foreign policies, immigration, and race relations.  Some felt he deepening the racial divide.  All and all their opinions are pretty much the same. He left little that would be notable to historians. He ignored growing problems and left them for the next administration. He flew under the radar...   I found it odd, none mentioned his clear gift as a "wordsmith". he certainly could captivate n audience with a speech.  Guess Historians just look at accomplishments?  Yeah, because being a president is actually a job. Not a speech class, bucking for an A+.

                    http://time.com/4632190/historians-obamas-legacy/

        3. Sharlee01 profile image79
          Sharlee01posted 5 years agoin reply to this

          Check a chart. it was very flat with sever swing his first 5.5 years. Oh, and two crashes... Many of us lost lots of cash.  Under Trump all is well, and even better than that...  Not sure you follow the market? The Obama years were tenuous.  Things did get better toward the end of his term. Many knew we were getting a businessman in office, it's called confidence. Trump has added 7 trillion to the economy. This is half of what it took Obama  8 years to add. Numbers are facts...

          https://www.cnbc.com/2018/01/18/stock-m … llion.html

          1. Valeant profile image86
            Valeantposted 5 years agoin reply to this

            I do follow the market.  The first quarter this year was the second-worst market showing since 2011.  These are Trump policies now taking hold. 

            He did have a great first year by building confidence and slashing regulations to help businesses, regulations that were instilled to prevent market crashes and protect consumers instead of businesses that used practices that put markets in danger.

            Now that the rhetoric has settled, talk of trade wars and attacking businesses such as Amazon have halted any further gains.  This is the instability we're getting with Trump in the White House.  Your article is six months out of date at this point.  Time for some current material, don't you think?

            And you keep talking about two crashes for Obama.  Care to provide some detail there.  There was one quarter with very little growth, and the market was down when he first took office, but that's hardly on him.

    2. JAKE Earthshine profile image67
      JAKE Earthshineposted 5 years ago

      Breaking BIG ******** : WoW, WoW, WoW:

      Well that didn't take long now did it? Honestly, who in their right mind actually thinks he's going to leave his wife and family for life imprisonment forced into daily community showers with the general population to protect this orange thing?

      https://usercontent1.hubstatic.com/14083568.jpg

      "Cohen signals openness to cooperating with federal investigators"

      "(CNN)President Donald Trump's personal attorney Michael Cohen has indicated to family and friends he is willing to cooperate with federal investigators to alleviate the pressure on himself and his family, according to a source familiar with the matter.

      Cohen has expressed anger with the treatment he has gotten from the President, who has minimized his relationship with Cohen, and comments from the President's lawyer Rudy Giuliani, the source said. The treatment has left him feeling isolated and more open to cooperating, the source said."


      https://www.cnn.com/2018/06/15/politics … index.html

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        ahorsebackposted 5 years agoin reply to this

        CNN ?.................................I mean like  , Fake CNN  , Jake ?

        1. Valeant profile image86
          Valeantposted 5 years agoin reply to this

          You mean like Trump fake...as in any story that criticizes him...or what he, literally, defines as fake news.  That's exactly how he defined it, in case you missed it.

          1. Randy Godwin profile image60
            Randy Godwinposted 5 years agoin reply to this

            Horse is strictly a Limbaugh and Hannity suckling. Only Fox News tells the truth!  Mwahahahahah!  lol

            1. blueheron profile image92
              blueheronposted 5 years agoin reply to this

              Ridicule is always such a great riposte! Why not go all in and just call him a pee-pee head. You know you want to.

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                ahorsebackposted 5 years agoin reply to this

                Sometimes I have to just remember that some people never rise above the intelligence level of the last step in our evolution . While I read a dozen or more media sights a day and make up my OWN mind  , group though is all some people have.   

                I simply take them at face value . You may too.

                1. Valeant profile image86
                  Valeantposted 5 years agoin reply to this

                  Again, claiming to be of higher intelligence and don't even know it's sites and group thought.  Fail.

    3. JAKE Earthshine profile image67
      JAKE Earthshineposted 5 years ago

      Breaking BIG ******** : Cohen's cell phones confiscated by FBI and decoded:

      "PROSECUTORS EXTRACT 700 PAGES OF ENCRYPTED MESSAGES FROM THE PHONE OF TRUMP LAWYER MICHAEL COHEN"

      "Federal prosecutors investigating U.S. President Donald Trump’s longtime personal lawyer Michael Cohen have extracted more than 700 pages of messages sent using encrypted programs like WhatsApp and Signal on phones seized from Cohen, according to a court filing on Friday.

      The prosecutors also said they had reconstructed 16 pages from the contents of a shredding machine taken during raids on Cohen’s home, office and hotel room in April. The prosecutors said in their filing in Manhattan federal court that they had turned the materials over to Cohen’s lawyers."

      http://www.newsweek.com/prosecutors-ext … ael-980122

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      ahorsebackposted 5 years ago

      Existing immigration law is clear , constitutional directive  is clear ,  What has been foggy beyond reasonable is when these laws are not only IGNORED but are swept under the rug of apathy from the top [Obama ]down .
      If pre-existing laws are enforced ,the Immigration problem settles itself .Simple.

      1. JAKE Earthshine profile image67
        JAKE Earthshineposted 5 years agoin reply to this

        What are you even talking about ahorseback? And how is your comment about immigration and Mr. Trump's blatantly inhumane application of said atrocity relevant to Donny Boy's adulterous one night stand with Stormy Daniels, a scandal which his attorney sloppy Cohen funneled $130,000 to defuse?

        An unforgivable sin which charlatan christian leaders like Jerry Falwell Junior ignore as a trove of additional evidence of more serious underlying crimes that the NY Criminal Investigation and Mueller Criminal Investigation are unearthing comes to fruition:

        'Batty' Rudy Giuliani seems to be preparing for Mr. Trump's impeachment, it's the only rational stance this clown has taken since his major television debut flop weeks ago acting as Donny's agent :

    5. JAKE Earthshine profile image67
      JAKE Earthshineposted 5 years ago

      https://usercontent1.hubstatic.com/14085860.jpg

      Here's one for Sharlee01 who is persistent in her desperate attempts to distract from the topic of this forum which is the putrid adulterous one night stand old man Spanky had with Stormy Daniels as alleged by Stormy, Michael Avenatti's daily torturing of Spanky and the pending indictment of Mr. Trump's personal attorney sloppy Michael Cohen and the underlying crimes and torts which may engulf Mr. Trump:

      His indictment is expected any day now with Micheal and Mr, Trump in a panic:

      1. Sharlee01 profile image79
        Sharlee01posted 5 years agoin reply to this

        Tort -a wrongful act or an infringement of a right (other than under contract) leading to civil legal liability.
        Civil lawsuit =  monetary payment for damages.
        The person that file must prove their reputation was damaged. Not sure if the porn star lost any jobs over being called a liar. In fact, I think in her field she may have picked up clients?  I mean she did sleep with the president. LOL

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          ahorsebackposted 5 years agoin reply to this

          OH ......, THE PRICE OF VICE;

          I read the other day that Stormy was cut recently from her place of "employment " because she was charging them too much for her dancing appearances ,   All this media attention is raising the "price of vice" I guess , maybe the DNC can now pick her of for fundraising performances ? Hillary could funnel some of her foundation monies through the porn industry ..............legally .

          1. Sharlee01 profile image79
            Sharlee01posted 5 years agoin reply to this

            Horse, I am sure the Clinton's have considered your suggestion. however, I think Hillary would not let Bill within shouting distance with Stormy.  Seems like Stormy is laying low? Have not seen her on the news s of late. Most likely because of, she came to the realization he is in real trouble for breaking the nondisclosure agreement with Cohen.  She had better hope Trump just settles her defamation case. Because she is going to need lots of cash to pay Cohen. LOL

            1. JAKE Earthshine profile image67
              JAKE Earthshineposted 5 years agoin reply to this

              lol, Well, Sharlee01, I'm not sure the warden at the federal penitentiary will allow sloppy Cohen to receive bushels of cash while serving a life sentence: Where's he gonna hide all those 20 dollar bills after his pillow case is stuffed, under his cell mates mattress?

              Stormy is off camera, but her attorney Michael Avenatti is still torturing Donny Boy daily and I can't think of someone more deserving than this evil creature who could care less about humanity as long as he gets his, and hopefully God willing he'll get his indictment very soon:

              1. Sharlee01 profile image79
                Sharlee01posted 5 years agoin reply to this

                Sure you are not watching reruns. Have I not seen  'creepy porn lawyer"  for weeks either? I did see on CNN that his x partner won a 10 million dollar judgment against Creepy... LOL Oh, you asked I stay on subject. here is an article that might explain why we have not seen Creepy and Stormy out and about. I know how much you idolize this creep, but perhaps you should get to know him a bit better.

                "Judge Catherine Bauer of U.S. Bankruptcy Court in Santa Ana ordered Eagan Avenatti to pay the $10 million to Jason Frank, a lawyer who used to work at the Newport Beach firm."

                http://www.latimes.com/politics/la-na-p … story.html

                1. JAKE Earthshine profile image67
                  JAKE Earthshineposted 5 years agoin reply to this

                  lol, you wanna talk about debts? Really? You really wanna go there? This is your con man in chief: Looks like Spanky Trump and his sloppy soon to be prison license plate maker Cohen are trying desperately to recoup all that money they lost from little ole' Stormy with their fraudulent frivolous NDA civil actions:

                  lol, Think she's got a few billion they can bilk out of her to bring Donny, the king of debt Back to even?

                  "The Bankruptcies Behind Trump’s ‘King of Debt’ Claim"

                  https://www.bna.com/bankruptcies-behind … 982082086/

                  "Trump still owes lenders including Deutsche Bank as much as $480 million"

                  https://www.marketwatch.com/story/trump … 2018-05-16

                  1. Sharlee01 profile image79
                    Sharlee01posted 5 years agoin reply to this

                    Jake, Just a quick question. Do you ever read you resource links? This article makes clear many love to loan cash to Trump?  I  was expecting to see something derogatory? In regards o bankruptcies.  Very old news,  most large businesses use this law.

                    1. JAKE Earthshine profile image67
                      JAKE Earthshineposted 5 years agoin reply to this

                      I always read my links and you're simply inaccurate Sharlee01, after Mr. 'big winning deals' Trump's massive bankruptcy failures in Atlantic City. nobody would lend him a red cent and that's why he was forced to find foreign suckers such as Russia to finance his junk, so he and his grifter family could pursue even more business failures: Now it looks like that balloon payment has come due in spades:

                      Many agree this could be the underlying reason why Vladimir Putin seems to control his every move: Michael Cohen had set up at least one secret LLC to payoff Stormy Daniels, if he thought it was a legal payoff he didn't need to establish a secret shell company to do so, he also accepted and perhaps funneled dirty millions through the very same entity:

                      Now, Mr. Trump is committing another unthinkable crime of humanity with his insane immigration policy to segregate children from their families, he thinks this makes him look strong, but any real man will tell you it makes him look weak, pathetic and small like the bum that he truly is:

                      The Cohen indictment is almost upon us thank God, and with him should go Mr. Trump and later when he arrives in hell, maybe the devil will sentence him to an eternity living in a tiny little steel cage, penniless with no clothes, somewhere in a remote swath of Mexican Earth:

        2. JAKE Earthshine profile image67
          JAKE Earthshineposted 5 years agoin reply to this

          lol, according to Stormy, she spent the night with Spanky under false pretenses, he promised her a spot on television then couldn't deliver so she said adios the next day like the competent business person she seems to be leaving Donny Boy with a bruised ego, a red instead of orange face and the crumpled up magazine she used to humiliate him with as a momento: With over 3,000 lies under his belt and a history of delusional behavior, there's no reason not to believe her side and discard his:

          She also said essentially she wasn't attracted to him and how could anyone on a jury or a federal judge NOT believe that? It looks like even Melanie finds it difficult to hold his hand:

          Torts yes, crimes possible as well given the funneling of cash from his attorney's Michael Cohen's secret LLC to Stormy's attorney, and receipt of suspicious millions from other entities using the very same LLC, and then failure to report said activity on financial forms as required by law and don't forget potential perjury charges if he's compelled to testify under oath, given his reported and documented dishonest and fraudulent history, everyone knows it would be virtually impossible for Mr. Trump to avoid committing a crime under these circumstances:

          Who knows what other crimes may be uncovered from the FBIs raid on Cohen properties and this excludes the trove of evidence compiled in the Mueller criminal investigation of Mr. Trump and family:

          An impostor president in compromising positions in many different ways, destroying the USA: lol, pretty boring stuff isn't it?

          1. Sharlee01 profile image79
            Sharlee01posted 5 years agoin reply to this

            "according to Stormy, she spent the night with Spanky under false pretenses, he promised her a spot on television" You re so funny Jake...  Do you know what that's called? It's called Prostitution. Which I am very that how she makes her living.  Money, a part in a TV show, same thing.

            "competent business person she seems to be". OMG are you making a joke? Her job consists of doing the same thing she did with Trump. have sex with, however.

            The rest of your comment is in no way based in fact... Not worth commenting on.

            1. JAKE Earthshine profile image67
              JAKE Earthshineposted 5 years agoin reply to this

              Well Sharlee01, at least we're making progress with your admission that Spanky Trump according ot Stormy, did indeed spend a night with Stormy as disgusting as she indicated it was:

              Yes, or course, Stormy is a porn actress which means she acts in porn, but one of the differences I'd have to assume is that she probably wasn't repulsed by her co-actors in the movies and once again we'd have to assume they didn't have orange skin, didn't wear some kind of yellow sea creature on their heads and were not ugly on the inside just like the outside:

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            wildernessposted 5 years agoin reply to this

            Just curious, but how can an LLC be considered "secret" what incorporation papers, addresses, officers, etc. are all a matter of public record and available to anyone that looks?

            I understand how it can be claimed to be secret - claims are a dime a dozen and require nothing but a lack of ethics to make  - but how can it actually be considered so by reasonable, thinking people?

      2. Sharlee01 profile image79
        Sharlee01posted 5 years agoin reply to this

        Not sure you realize, it was not me that became bored with the subject of the thread?  Pretty much seems you are the only one even commenting on a stale subject.  Move on, Stormy's 15 minutes is over. Actually,  you may want to move on.

        1. JAKE Earthshine profile image67
          JAKE Earthshineposted 5 years agoin reply to this

          Sharlee01: lol, I find it hard to believe you are bored with the subject:

          But just because you claim to be bored doesn't mean anyone else is, as a matter of fact, stick around, this subject is just getting started because unless something drastic happens, like another act of obstruction of justice by Spanky to pardon his close associate Michael Cohen or something else unforeseen occurs, Michael is expected to be indicted very soon and when that happens, don't be to shocked if you immediately see airforce one, or in Spanky's case 'Kremlin One' with the evil one and family aboard, take off headed for asylum in Moscow:

          1. Valeant profile image86
            Valeantposted 5 years agoin reply to this

            https://usercontent1.hubstatic.com/14086688.jpg

            1. Sharlee01 profile image79
              Sharlee01posted 5 years agoin reply to this

              Jake, no one else is commenting on the subject?

          2. Randy Godwin profile image60
            Randy Godwinposted 5 years agoin reply to this

            Isn't Spanky already planning a visit to Putie? We may want to keep an eye on how much luggage he packs on Air Force One.  It could be a one-way trip if things get a bit worse or a few more Russian/crony connections are revealed.

          3. blueheron profile image92
            blueheronposted 5 years agoin reply to this

            Reading about someone's hallucinations is about as interesting as listening to someone tell you what they dreamed last night. It might be of some fleeting interest, but mostly it's just boring and irrelevant.

            Your posts could be of some interest to mental health professionals, I suppose, if they happened to be interested in case studies of mental deterioration, manic-depressive disorders, obsessive-compulsive disorders, and the proverbial "psychotic break," where one loses touch with reality.

            Most of us, having no professional interest in such matters, would just as soon NOT look at the drainage of your mental cysts and ulcerations, and those little biopsies of diseased psychic matter you offer for our consideration.

    6. profile image0
      ahorsebackposted 5 years ago

      https://usercontent1.hubstatic.com/14086586.jpg

      The political forum trolls who expect anything like this to happen , should crawl back into your sophomoric sleeping blankies ,   your safe space sleep cubbies ,  Why ? Close your story time mainstream media children's book and read about  the history of presidential impeachments or arrests  .
      Oh ,............and grow up .

    7. Randy Godwin profile image60
      Randy Godwinposted 5 years ago

      Jake, this subject is simply too damaging to those on the right, especially those who claim to be religious and have family values and morals.  After giving Bill such a hard time, they simply want to gloss over Spanky's immoral character as if it doesn't exist. They can go to the old fallback excuse that, "He's been born again" and is no longer a sinner.  Bwaaahahahahaha!   lol

    8. profile image0
      ahorsebackposted 5 years ago

      https://usercontent1.hubstatic.com/14088602.jpg

      Liberals ,  "The History of Now "

    9. profile image0
      ahorsebackposted 5 years ago

      Hitler comparisons ?
      I think that liberals who compare Trump's enforcement of U.S. Law and immigration policies to Hitler's  treatment in WWII  is outrageous , short sighted and  totally lacking of ANY insight to Hitler's REAL acts against humanity  .   I can't even use the wording here to describe how shallow the comparisons without getting booted from forums .

      Suggestion ; Anyone who compares the two ---go read a history book , google it , get informed , even ask someone to google it for you if you're actually THAT lazy . But  grow up  ---because there is a major difference .

      1. wilderness profile image93
        wildernessposted 5 years agoin reply to this

        I don't see it as is outrageous , short sighted or totally lacking of ANY insight. 

        Instead it is just foolish, for it is obviously meant as a shock factor to raise emotions devoid of reason.  For anyone possessing the reasoning skills of a 5 year old it is only foolish, for no one in their right mind can do anything but laugh.  The desired shock, anger and disgust are not part of the reaction.

        1. Valeant profile image86
          Valeantposted 5 years agoin reply to this

          https://usercontent2.hubstatic.com/14088733.png

          So Trump just withdrew us from the human rights counsel so he could violate the rights of migrant children.

          1. wilderness profile image93
            wildernessposted 5 years agoin reply to this

            I'm sorry - when did it happen that incarcerated criminals retain all their rights?  Rights like freedom to move about, freedom to buy what is desired, freedom to wear what clothing is desired?  And freedom to have their children with them?

            When did that happen?  Because I certainly missed the event!

          2. Sharlee01 profile image79
            Sharlee01posted 5 years agoin reply to this

            Long overdue...  This very council did Zero for the men, women, and children that were slaughtered in Syria.   ZERO. I appreciate this gesture in lieu of how little they accomplish in times of true tragedy. I appreciate having a president that will take on the hard task of solving problems. Not flying below the radar.

            And once again why all the uproar. No indignation when this problem became an epidemic problem on Obama's time. Hopefully, you watched the youtubes I sent you and noted the dates on them. You are clearly a hypocrite.  Take your head out of the sand, pull your fingers out of your ears, stop humming and face facts.  You might be surprised and liberation it is to take in real facts, not propaganda.

        2. profile image0
          ahorsebackposted 5 years agoin reply to this

          You're right of course , it is just the shock factor  the left uses successfully , even against their own ,   Ingredients ;
          Shock + Group thought = conformity to one thought .

    10. Sharlee01 profile image79
      Sharlee01posted 5 years ago

      This is good, because Obama and his "crew" may all need their Birth certificates. Looks like many of them will be indited, for lots of wrongdoing... LOL   McCabe taking the fifth, can't wait until he is given immunity.  It will be great to see the Obama house of cards fall.

      1. Valeant profile image86
        Valeantposted 5 years agoin reply to this

        Somehow, I'm not shocked that you are a Birther conspiracy nut.

        1. Sharlee01 profile image79
          Sharlee01posted 5 years agoin reply to this

          First, "Somehow, I'm not shocked that you are a Birther conspiracy nut."

          Where in the hell would you even get that idea? Have I at any time posted a comment that remotely brought up that subject?   You are really out there.. OMG   This is the dumbest thing you have yet to accuse me of without any information that would work to prove such a ridiculous accusation.  I just have to ask another question. Where would you ever come up with such an allegation or is this just another one of your insults that makes absolutely no sense? My god do you ever come up for a breather?  It is no way to live.. LOL

          I never joined in on the birther movement because there was never any form of facts to prove Obama was born elsewhere.   It was clear he was a citizen.  You see, once again I like to consider the facts before giving an opinion, unlike you.  You although once again feel you can assume, and insult. It's very apparent you either don't read my comments or have a lack of the ability to comprehend my comments.  It is very clear I never join in hysteria or believe red is red even though I can see it's purple. I  never make comparisons that are ridiculous and have no correlation such as your ridiculous statement referring to illegally separating children from parents that have broken our laws and are jailed to that of the  Holocaust.  It's beyond me how anyone could make that comparison.   Have you any idea what a concentration camp is or looks like? What did they do to human beings? You have no right to make such a glib comparison.    I in my travels I  toured Auschwitz .   The children in Auschwitz were killed within hours of arrival. They were not held to later reunite with parents that broke the law and used them as pawns. They were not fed, clothed, and given beds to sleep in. They were not kept safe. They were killed...   Do you see how ridiculous your comparison truly is?   You are listening to propaganda, and like a parrot repeating it. Your statements always tend to prove you follow what you hear, even though much of hat is ridiculous and does not make any form of sense.  You can't think for yourself.  This is a disgusting trait, that many find disgusting.

            I think the above-mentioned attributes show a lack of intelligence.  A lack of being smart enough to see the truth, given facts, and think for yourself.  You see if you are going to insult someone, you do need to have a reason and some forms proof to back up your insult. Birther?  This one is laughable. Where the hell did you come up with that one?

          I will not be commenting any longer on your posts. So have at it...   Not worth my time.

          OH, one more thing, your brother by another mother "jake" just comment on the Nazi stuff you ascribe too.  So, you now have a "good bud" to share your opinion. Very clear you are well suited to discuss any given subject.  LOL   "WOW!  BIG NEWS !!!  Holy BATMAN"...  Yeah very well suited.

          1. Valeant profile image86
            Valeantposted 5 years agoin reply to this

            You literally write 'Obama and his crew may need their birth certificates' and wonder where I come to the conclusion that you're a birther nut case.  Seriously?

            You need to get your memory checked if you can't remember racist stuff you wrote just three hours earlier.

            1. Sharlee01 profile image79
              Sharlee01posted 5 years agoin reply to this

              Valeant,
              "You literally write 'Obama and his crew may need their birth certificates' and wonder where I come to the conclusion that you're a birther nut case.  Seriously?"

              Is it now very clear you don't comprehend? Where in the above statement do I accuse Obama or his crew of not possessing birth certificates? Please explain how you come to such a conclusion. You make it very hard not to point out your lack of ability to understand a sentence.

              "You need to get your memory checked if you can't remember racist stuff you wrote just three hours earlier." 

              I have never posted a racist comment. Ever...  If you  can find an example, please post it.   In regards to a racist comment. I know you will not comprehend this, however, your little cartoon projecting a Jewish woman (Ivanka Trump) making an attempt to promote garments that Jews were made to wear in concentration camps. Do you actually feel this example not to be racists?  I have to say, you are some piece of work.

              1. Valeant profile image86
                Valeantposted 5 years agoin reply to this

                Go ahead and explain why you combine Obama and a need for a birth certificate then.  Odd reference that really only has one correlation, and that's the birther movement.

                So, Ivanka, who converted to the religion of Judaism, was born to Donald (American) and Ivana (Czechoslovakian).  Yes, she convert to, and practices that religion.  No, she was not born Jewish.  Pretty big difference.

                1. Sharlee01 profile image79
                  Sharlee01posted 5 years agoin reply to this

                  OMG are you crazy?  Judaism is a religion no one is born a Jewish. It's a religion, not a nationality.  Last I heard there was no such religion as Czechoslovakian? I do know Czechoslovakian's can follow the religion of Judaism, as well as American's.  Again, do you read your comments, ever? They get more ridiculous?

                  "So, Ivanka, who converted to the religion of Judaism, was born to Donald (American) and Ivana (Czechoslovakian).  Yes, she converts to, and practices that religion.  No, she was not born Jewish.  Pretty big difference."

                  MY comment on Obama and his crew was a "funny" referring to the several investigations that are going on. Comey, Lynch, McCabe, and the entire crew. You get it No mention about the birther scandal.  AS I also pointed out immediately, and in length, I did not buy into the birther movement...

                  1. Valeant profile image86
                    Valeantposted 5 years agoin reply to this

                    You accused me of racism when Ivanka converted to a religion.  See the difference there?  That's my point.

                    And you still failed to explain why you mentioned birth certificates in the first place.  I'm glad you say you don't believe in the birther conspiracy theory, just odd that you mention Obama and birth certificates then.

                    1. Sharlee01 profile image79
                      Sharlee01posted 5 years agoin reply to this

                      You referred to a Jewish woman trying to profit from selling garments that were worn by Jews in concentration camps.  You not only showed a form of racism but offered your derogatory opinion that portrays Jewish people as "money mongers". Inferring Ivanka would do anything to make money.  You should really drop this subject. You provided your view of Jediism very well with your disgusting cartoon.  It appears you prefer to dig yourself in deeper and deeper?  When you choose to be controversial don't expect all to let it slide.  The cartoon you posted speaks loudly of your bias attitude, and lack of common sense.  IT's a shame you can't remove it. However, it does prove one has the right to freedom of speech.  No matter their views.

                      "Antisemitism (also spelled anti-Semitism or anti-semitism) is hostility to, prejudice, or discrimination against Jews. A person who holds such positions is called an antisemite. Antisemitism is generally considered to be a form of racism. It has also been characterized as a political ideology which serves as an organizing principle and unites disparate groups which are opposed to liberalism".

                      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antisemitism

                      https://www.bbc.com/news/magazine-36160928

    11. JAKE Earthshine profile image67
      JAKE Earthshineposted 5 years ago

      Breaking BIG ******** : Mega Bombshell: As expected, Michael Cohen, weakling Donald Hitler's personal attorney, is prepared to 'flip' driving the Black House into a panic: Stormy Daniels, Michael Avenatti and everything criminal is about to explode into a million beautiful pieces:

      This news couldn't have come at a more opportune time with weakling Donald Hitler's inhumane crime against humanity currently occurring at the American border where children including toddlers are being segregated from parents, an unconscionable atrocity which occurred in Nazi Germany: Yes, believe it or not, you heard that correctly:

      So long Donny, glad I won't be meeting you in hell:

      "Trump's personal attorney is 'willing to give info' about the President"

      "Washington (CNN)Donald Trump's personal attorney Michael Cohen has signaled to friends that he is "willing to give" investigators information on the President if that's what they are looking for, and is planning on hiring a new lawyer to handle a possible indictment from federal prosecutors.

      "He knows a lot of things about the President and he's not averse to talking in the right situation," one of Cohen's New York friends who is in touch with him told CNN. "If they want information on Trump, he's willing to give it."


      https://usercontent2.hubstatic.com/14090149_f1024.jpg

    12. JAKE Earthshine profile image67
      JAKE Earthshineposted 5 years ago

      Breaking BIG ******** : Even Michael Cohen condemns Mr. Trump's crimes against humanity by abusing children at the border:

      "CNN: Cohen Willing to Give Info on Trump, Business Dealings"

      Michael Cohen is considering providing information on President Donald Trump and his business dealings to special counsel Robert Mueller's office as he feels "let down and isolated by," the president, according to Cohen's friends who spoke with CNN.

      https://www.newsmax.com/newsfront/micha … id/867159/

    13. JAKE Earthshine profile image67
      JAKE Earthshineposted 5 years ago

      Breaking BIG ******** Developing NOW : According to stunning info revealed by investigative reports, it looks like Michael Cohen wasn't practicing as a REAL lawyer after all: Only 8 out of 292,226 items investigated by a federal judge qualifies as 'privileged' : WoW:

      "Judge to Michael Cohen: Only Eight Communications Are Protected by Attorney-Client Privilege"

      "Manhattan Federal Court Judge Kimba Wood issued an order on Friday determining that only eight items of communication, out of some 292,226 seized by the FBI from Michael Cohen’s office and home, were protected by attorney-client privilege. Last week, Barbara Jones, a retired federal judge who was appointed as the special master to oversee the documents, determined that only 162 items were privileged. Only eight of those, according to Wood, involved direct consultation between Cohen and one of his clients. Cohen, a longtime attorney and friend of President Trump’s, is being investigated for possible wire fraud, bank fraud and potential violations of campaign finance law."

      I wonder if Donald has escaped to Moscow yet? Seems kind of suspicious to set up a meeting with his master Vladimir Putin as his entire fake world collapses around him: Is he working out asylum instructions perhaps? Keep a very close eye on air force one, or in Mr. Trump's case, Satan's Red Hot Carriage:

      https://www.thedailybeast.com/judge-to- … -privilege


      https://usercontent2.hubstatic.com/14094203.png

      1. Sharlee01 profile image79
        Sharlee01posted 5 years agoin reply to this

        Reuters June 22, 2018

        Here are the facts Jake.  So far there are o communications between Cohen and Trump. (161 are privileged and seven of them are communications between Cohen and a client containing legal advice). I realize you have a hard time excepting facts, but I just can see m way clear to not set you straight.

        "A review of documents seized from U.S. President Donald Trump's longtime personal lawyer Michael Cohen has so far turned up only a handful of communications between Cohen and his clients, a federal judge said in a written order on Friday.

        Cohen's home and office were raided in April as part of a criminal investigation by Manhattan federal prosecutors. HE HAS NOT BEEN CHARGED WITH ANY CRIME.

        Out of nearly 300,000 items reviewed so far, 161 are privileged and seven of them are communications between Cohen and a client containing legal advice, according to an order from U.S. District Judge Kimba Wood on Friday confirming findings by the special master. The order said most of the documents were communications between Cohen and his lawyers.

        Lawyers for Cohen and Trump could not immediately be reached for comment.

        Wood appointed a special master to review the documents before turning them over to prosecutors after lawyers for Cohen and Trump said they might include privileged attorney-client communications, which prosecutors are normally not allowed to see.

        Prosecutors said in an April court filing that they believed Cohen was "performing little to no legal work" and that they were primarily investigating his personal business dealings.

        Most of the roughly 3.7 million items seized from Cohen are still under review.

        On Friday, Wood ordered Cohen's lawyers to identify for the special master, former federal judge Barbara Jones, by June 27 any remaining items they believe are privileged."
        https://af.reuters.com/article/worldNews/idAFKBN1JI2ZP

        ACLU lawyer sides with Trump lawyer Michael Cohen
        https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news … -documents


        Lawyer reviewing Cohen documents submits $338,000 bill
        This Lawyer is the only one that won in this battle... LOL
        http://www.morning-times.com/state_news … 25148.html

        1. JAKE Earthshine profile image67
          JAKE Earthshineposted 5 years agoin reply to this

          You're making the case against Mr. Trump for me Sharlee01: If only a few items are considered 'privileged' by the federal judge that means Mr. Cohen was not acting in an attorney client capacity between he and Donny and therefore we need to investigate what exactly he was doing for Donny and where all that suspicious money in the millions ended up, remember all that cash funneled from Cohen's secret LLC to Stormy's former attorney and wherever?

          Did cash funneled through Cohen's LLC end up in Donald Mussolini's  pocket or bank account or offshore stash place? We'll soon find out because Michael Cohen for all intent and purposes, has 'flipped' against the biggest perpetrator of crimes against humanity in U.S. history: Will this be flushed out in the 'Trump Tribunals'?

          "FBI raid reveals how little Michael Cohen works as a lawyer"

          https://nypost.com/2018/06/22/fbi-raid- … -a-lawyer/

          1. Sharlee01 profile image79
            Sharlee01posted 5 years agoin reply to this

            Jake stated - "You're making the case against Mr. Trump for me Sharlee01: If only a few items are considered 'privileged' by the federal judge that means Mr. Cohen was not acting in an attorney client capacity between he and Donny" 

            It's clear you just do not understand Judge Kimba's order of her findings, so far.

            District Judge Kimba ordered all 161 are privileged and seven of the 161 are were sited to be communications between Cohen and a client containing nothing but legal advice. ( the client's name in these 7 documents is privileged).   All 161 are privileged and would not be available in the case of an indictment to a prosecuting attorney. The judge's order also stipulated most of the 161 documents were communications between Cohen and his own lawyers.  Cohen has as of yet to be charged with a crime. 

            Jake, you don't seem to be understanding the judge's order? That's unfortunate. If Cohen is charged with a crime we will then have something to discuss. I don't buy into all the if come rhetoric.

            1. Valeant profile image86
              Valeantposted 5 years agoin reply to this

              I think Jake's got it just fine.  Only 148 of 291,770 items found on two phones and an IPad were deemed privileged.  Of the hard copy material, only 14 of the 639 items were privileged.  That leaves 292,000 documents, texts, and e-mails as not falling under privilege.

              That judge must be part of the deep state, right?

              1. Sharlee01 profile image79
                Sharlee01posted 5 years agoin reply to this

                It's clear we are viewing the judge's decision differently. I am not reading into what is in the remaining information that the prosecutors will be allowed to view. I am looking at what is factual so far.  If Cohen broke any form of laws that he can be charged with. he will be. My point, rhetoric is just that. (language designed to have a persuasive or impressive effect on its audience).  I would think that if the prosecutor finds anything to warn inditing Cohen in the seized information he will not drag his feet. He will indite him.   

                As I said to Jake in my Comment. If Cohen is charged with a crime, we will then have something to discuss. Until then,  there actually is nothing to discuss.  It's rhetoric, condemning anyone before there is some form of proof of a crime is disgusting. I guess some except that kind of justice. I don't.  If he committed a crime, he deserves his day in court. Especially today with so many "hang him first" type out there.   I choose to be separated myself from those types.

                And your little "Deep State" dig.  It was just that 'little".  I never ascribed to deep state theories, and  If you are referring to the Obama administration deep state that many are into.   I am not sure there could have been a dumber bunch to labeled a deep state?    I am interested to see where the ongoing investigations into the Obama administrations FBI and DOJ lead.

                1. Valeant profile image86
                  Valeantposted 5 years agoin reply to this

                  Your delusion is amazing.  Unless there was ample evidence of a crime, there's no way they would have gotten the initial warrant to search the home and office of a lawyer, especially the lawyer for someone who is president.  An indictment (that's how you spell that word) is all but certain based on that fact alone.  But stay in denial, it's one of Trump supporters' best features.

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                  ahorsebackposted 5 years agoin reply to this

                  Correction ?.......:-]


                  Obama deep state ? Yes , you are right  , no one there was actually too politically bright ................except !   When we get to the brilliance of the Obama leftover government institutional obstructionists and Clinton  election loss resisters  , .......then they seemed to have gained at least just enough intelligence  to really screw things up royally........;-]

              2. JAKE Earthshine profile image67
                JAKE Earthshineposted 5 years agoin reply to this

                Thanks Valeant: Sharlee01 doesn't seem to understand the fact that both Donald and Michael claimed to have a client attorney relationship yet only a tiny fraction of the thousands of pieces of evidence confiscated in the FBI raid of his properties and then investigated by the federal judge were classified as 'privileged': How strange, if Cohen were a real lawyer it would presumably be the opposite result:

                Here's something to ponder: Trump reportedly has never used E*Mail: How strange: WHY? Unless you have mountains of evidence to conceal, who else refrains from using E*Mail?:

      2. dianetrotter profile image62
        dianetrotterposted 5 years agoin reply to this

        His law school in Michigan is getting bad publicity from this.  It looks like they will take anyone.  I think it is good to give people a chance.  However, I would expect results as attorneys to be comparable to at least the average attorney.  What is average?  Someone who worked as a deputy prosecutor, legal aid attorney, worked for an attorney firm, private practice, contracts manager, etc.

        I'm not quite sure he ever really practiced.  DJT now says, "Not my attorney!"

    14. blueheron profile image92
      blueheronposted 5 years ago

      Misfit chick says the immigration problem can't be solved with a "zero tolerance" policy. If someone enters your home illegally, it is generally conceded that you should have zero tolerance for this, and that it would be entirely reasonable for you to call the cops and have them taken into custody. You would probably do this even if they had kids (from whom they would be separated while in jail), and even if they brought their kids with them while they were breaking and entering. You would probably call the cops even if they entered your home illegally without offering violence, but merely demanded that you let them move in with you and feed them and house them for free.

      Complaining of "treating them like cattle"--after they entered your home illegally--is like a housebreaker entering  your home illegally, refusing to leave (deciding to squat on your property), and then complaining about the accommodations.

      I suggest that Misfit Chick put these lofty principles to work in her own life. If she lives in a house in a safe neighborhood, clearly she is "privileged" and should be required to offer up her home as a safe place of residence to a nice family of refugees from violence-infested Detroit or Baltimore. Even if--or perhaps especially if--the enter her home illegally and uninvited.

      1. Valeant profile image86
        Valeantposted 5 years agoin reply to this

        As long as you apply the same principle.  A zero tolerance policy is going to need more man-power to patrol the border, even if it's a wall along the border.  I suggest you pack a bag and head down south and start standing a shift.

        1. blueheron profile image92
          blueheronposted 5 years agoin reply to this

          That would be purpose of our military--defending our borders. Odd that we have the most powerful military in the world, but we cannot defend our borders.

          1. Valeant profile image86
            Valeantposted 5 years agoin reply to this

            Are those coming to the southern border attacking?  The military doesn't exist to enforce the law.

            1. wilderness profile image93
              wildernessposted 5 years agoin reply to this

              Saw an interview with border patrol yesterday where the reporter was told, after commenting on the bulletproof vest, that they are shot at and attacked every day.  Multiple times.

              That some trespassers do not shoot at the cops is not a reason to imply that no one is attacking across our southern border.  Or that the "cops" should take full precautions to prevent their own death when (when - not if) they ARE attacked.

            2. Randy Godwin profile image60
              Randy Godwinposted 5 years agoin reply to this

              That concept goes over their heads Val., as do many parts of the Constitution and Bill of Rights.

              1. blueheron profile image92
                blueheronposted 5 years agoin reply to this

                You don't say to which concept you are referring, either as it relates to illegal entry into the US or as it relates to the Constitution.

                We would be happy to discuss whatever elusive concept you have in mind, if you would care to tell us what it is. I suspect you can name no such concept, or that said concept does not actually exist.

    15. JAKE Earthshine profile image67
      JAKE Earthshineposted 5 years ago

      While the nation is preoccupied with outrage at Mr. Trump's continued insane crimes against humanity, where this evil bozo is detaining and caging innocent children by the thousands in internment style camps, let's not forget about the massive trove of evidence pointing toward innumerable additional crimes:

      So many layers of bad news for the Trump family, we almost neglected to mention this stunning new development which involves Trump, Cohen and Pecker, and also Stormy and her attorney extraordinaire Michael Avenatti: I find it difficult to believe that any judge could possibly determine the National Enquirer to be a legitimate 'news outlet':

      Breaking BIG ******** :

      "Report: Prosecutors subpoena National Enquirer records in Michael Cohen investigation"

      http://money.cnn.com/2018/06/20/media/n … index.html

      1. profile image0
        ahorsebackposted 5 years agoin reply to this

        "NEWS FLASH "
        "BREAKING BIG TIME NEWS "

        Stormy goes to border to save illegal immigration children from being eaten alive by the Donald ,  actually blocking the condiment trucks !

        1. Sharlee01 profile image79
          Sharlee01posted 5 years agoin reply to this

          WOW - Horse thanks for the update! I wonder where she was? Have not seen her or her creepy porn attorney for weeks...    I know in one of her TV interviews she said she wanted to make her daughter proud of her. I mean her daughter only has to google image her mom, to see just what she is up to.  So many wonderful images of her and her co-stars. Yes, Stormy should be nominated for mother of the year. LOL

          1. profile image0
            ahorsebackposted 5 years agoin reply to this

            Sharklee , Um ...........Stormy AND her attorney are at the border together  as I speak !..............Something going on there !....Wouldn't you say ?

            1. Sharlee01 profile image79
              Sharlee01posted 5 years agoin reply to this

              Please tell me you are kidding?  Perhaps she thinks she can grab 15 minutes more?

              1. JAKE Earthshine profile image67
                JAKE Earthshineposted 5 years agoin reply to this

                Yeah, and perhaps Bozo Trump thinks he can grab 15 more minutes of her:

                https://usercontent1.hubstatic.com/14095518.jpg

                1. Sharlee01 profile image79
                  Sharlee01posted 5 years agoin reply to this

                  JUST A REMINDER OF OBAMAS RED LINE, AND HOW HE TURNED HIS BACK ON MEN, WOMEN, AND CHILDREN...  But Obama did not fat shame women.
                  https://usercontent2.hubstatic.com/14095523.jpg

                2. blueheron profile image92
                  blueheronposted 5 years agoin reply to this

                  Yeah, well Jake's repeated posting of a meme about Trump "fat shaming" women remind us that our president has from time to time said things that are impolite.

                  Your concern is duly noted.

      2. Sharlee01 profile image79
        Sharlee01posted 5 years agoin reply to this

        So sad he comes in second to Obama when it comes to "inhumanity".   Obama still holds the trophy for the most inhumane president.  500,000 Syrian men, woman. and children killed due turning his back on them, ignoring their suffering.  It's called genocide. Obamas flawed immigration policies don't hold a candle to his "Red Line" in the sand fiasco.  However, here are the videos once again to remind you of Obamas internment camps, when he was handling the problem. The problem he left for president Trump. 

        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CaM_opNkjIs
        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6UhnHxyn4hU
        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D1r9SliaNCA
        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ConcjhnGjmc
        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7mJaiNEv09k
        https://usercontent2.hubstatic.com/14095511.jpg

        Now, this is what I call a crime against humanity.

        1. JAKE Earthshine profile image67
          JAKE Earthshineposted 5 years agoin reply to this

          For your sake Sharlee01, when Bozo Trump and his entire  family are indicted and stand before the court, I sure hope he has a better defense than simple hatred of President Obama because it just doesn't work:

          "Your honor, Bozo Trump is innocent because we HATE President Obama"

          The conspiracy widens:

          "Federal investigators probing Michael Cohen subpoena the publisher of the Trump-friendly National Enquirer"

          http://www.businessinsider.com/michael- … her-2018-6

          1. Sharlee01 profile image79
            Sharlee01posted 5 years agoin reply to this

            No hate just pointing out ugly facts, as you do daily. But, it's a bit different. Trump is doing a good job, and working toward solving problems. You insult him needlessly. But Obama, it's very easy to state ugly facts about him. Because he did some really ugly things.    I realize they are hard for you to face. But, that's not my problem, that's yours.  No hate, just disgust, lack of respect.

            1. Valeant profile image86
              Valeantposted 5 years agoin reply to this

              What facts?  That a migration surge occurred on his watch and he requested more money to accommodate that and help make living conditions better.  Or that he was leery to commit troops to Syria because the US had just fought a war in the middle east based on fabricated intelligence that had cost us over 3,000 American lives.   

              Your historical perspective is terribly ignorant when it comes to analyzing these issues and your hatred for the man is more telling with every post.

              1. Sharlee01 profile image79
                Sharlee01posted 5 years agoin reply to this

                We are looking at the same situation very differently. The liberals are screaming from the rooftops about immigrants that are breaking our laws, and due to breaking our laws being separated from their children. I have pointed out very clearly that we as  American citizens were made to sit by and witnessed genocide. There is absolutely no excuse that could ever convince me that if we would have had a president that upheld our country's moral values,  and stepped in to stop this form of aggression and slaughter, many of human beings would be alive.  You're a  hypocrite you find it easy to stand on a soapbox and belittle president Trump. When in reality he is doing a good job solving hard problems that have been in need of solving for a very long time.    You accuse me of hating Obama, and for what?  Pointing out facts. You can make all the excuses you please to justify your opinion of him. Some posts back I pointed out and gave good references in regard to historians opinions of Obama.    As a rule, historians are truthful and honest. In the end, history will not be kind to a man that did such a poor job.  So many died due to his major mistake in Syria. He faltered for the better part of his presidency. 

                "Your historical perspective'.  Yours is seen through rose-colored glasses. Obama had the entire middle east in turmoil. Need I also mention his laying low attitude that prevailed even as Russia annexed Crimea, invaded eastern Ukraine, and ended up propping up Assad in Syria. Am I well versed on Obama's horrendous foreign policies or should I say lack of?  You toss words around with abandonment, but they are vague lack substance. It's very apparent you are flighty of thought, easily made to grasp an opinion that suits your ideology.  Glib insults never show one's intelligence on any given subject. It just shows you know little about the subject but insists on commenting.

                If Trump makes mistakes I will view his mistakes by there severity,  as I did Obama.  I will also give full credit where it is due. Time will tell.  So far so good...

                1. Valeant profile image86
                  Valeantposted 5 years agoin reply to this

                  I actually read that whole article by the ten historians.  They were very critical of Congress and I noted only a few critiques of Obama in there.  But somehow you came away thinking he was a terrible president from that article.  I'm still not sure how that could have happened based on the 'facts' of that article.  Even though they were more opinions and not facts, as you claim and many said it would take more time to render where Obama ranks.

                  Help me understand how you're so convinced we should have invaded Syria to stop Assad. And some questions for you:
                  1.)  If you knew he was going to use chemical weapons, why didn't you warn Obama? 
                  2.)  And what about Russia?  They backed Assad's claim that he didn't do it.  So in essence, an invasion could have led to war with Russia.  Are you saying you think a stronger president should have risked that?
                  3.)  And how did it work out in Iraq when we went in and wiped out their ruling government? 
                  All considerations you haven't even mentioned in your argument that it was sitting back and just allowing genocide.

                  And let's talk hypocrisy.  You're so critical of Obama for not intervening in another country's civil war, or going in to take out Assad for using chemical weapons.  Hasn't Assad used chemical weapons during Trump's White House tenure?  Has Trump gone in yet to remove Assad?  No?  Really?  How odd.

                  Now, you're so concerned about the innocent victims in the violent country of Syria, saying a different president would have upheld the country's morals and protected them.  What do you think happens to many of the families sent back to the violence in their home countries in Central America?  There are scores of stories of that leading to death for those whose asylum was turned down.  Weird how there's a different standard there.

                  1. Sharlee01 profile image79
                    Sharlee01posted 5 years agoin reply to this

                    Once again here is a link that will provide you with Historians views of Obama's tenure. In regards to Syria. Trump reacted immediately to Assad using Chemical weapons with a one time strike. IT certainly appears to have worked. I have faith that the president would act again if Syria or any other country uses chemical weapons.  Nothing will change the fact that Obama did nothing, and made me and anyone else that cared, watch genocide.  Make every excuse you please for his lack of action. That is your prerogative. 

                    Once again face his other foreign policies. "Your historical perspective'.  Yours is seen through rose-colored glasses. Obama had the entire middle east in turmoil. Need I also mention his laying low attitude that prevailed even as Russia annexed Crimea, invaded eastern Ukraine, and ended up propping up Assad in Syria. Am I well versed on Obama's horrendous foreign policies or should I say lack of? "  he will be well known for turning his back...

                    One more thing - I am not here to argue with you or even answer your questions. As a rule, I give reference to my opinion. If this is not enough for you. I would say that's your problem. I don't intend to debate a person that will not in any respect consider facts.

                    http://time.com/4632190/historians-obamas-legacy/

                    1. Valeant profile image86
                      Valeantposted 5 years agoin reply to this

                      You say inaction in Syria when Obama did the same thing Trump has done.  Both bombed Syria for the use of chemical weapons.  The difference was that Obama actually consulted Congress first and didn't act like a dictator.

                      Obama had the middle east in turmoil?  Again, historical perspective would be good.  Who created that instability in the first place?  That'd be Bush when he destabilized the region with his personal vendetta against Hussein.  Now, I'd give you that he pulled troops out too quickly, allowing ISIS to fill a vacuum.  But that was what the American people elected him to do, get our people out of that war.  In fulfilling that campaign promise, it created another headache from what he called the JV team.  He is not without fault, but to say he created the turmoil would be falsely forgetting the administration before his actions.

                      Again, you seem to want world war with Russia.  It's not like he didn't put sanctions on Russia for the Ukraine annexation.  And you know who changed the GOP platform to be pro-Russia on the Ukraine annexation?  Yeah, that'd be your boy, Trump.  So it's odd you ding Obama for actually acting on it while Trump basically patted Putin on the back.

                      You give a reference in your post, sure.  Declaring that reference as fact is near laughable.  I seriously wonder if you even read some of your links.  I'd want someone aside from us to read that Time magazine link you posted and see if they could come to the same conclusion you do from it that historians find Obama to be a bad president.  It's a reach, at best.

                    2. crankalicious profile image88
                      crankaliciousposted 5 years agoin reply to this

                      Really, Trump solved the whole Syria problem with one military strike? Are you serious? Assad is still in power and still slaughtering people, but you just buy the company line that the problem is solved? And for this, you compare Trump positively to Obama? Your knowledge of foreign affairs is astounding.

                      And go ahead and continue believing that Trump is doing great. That's fine. But can you not give Obama any credit. The United States was on the brink of a depression when he took over. He turned the economy around and the stock market doubled under his tenure. He did this all with a Republican Congress that refused to work with him on anything. And he also rid Osama Bin Laden from the face of the earth which was, at the time he became President, one of America's biggest fears.

                      Are you one of these "low IQ individuals" our President refers to?

                      We agree on one thing - your link was fair. It's too early to tell what Obama's legacy will be. I liked and supported Obama, but his foreign affairs record is spotty, at best.

                  2. blueheron profile image92
                    blueheronposted 5 years agoin reply to this

                    To me, this whole conversation about the Middle Eastern wars seems a bit surreal.

                    They are/were not "about" Assad or the supposedly evil or undemocratic regimes in other countries in the ME. While there are multiple layers of motivation for these wars; they are primarily about the proposed routes of oil pipelines (which would determine who gets to sell oil to whom, as it relates to who profits and who enjoys a strategic advantage therefrom) AND the Petrodollar.

                    If the US fails to maintain control of oil, the Petrodollar will collapse, which would rip the US economy the proverbial new orifice.

                    While there are some other things going on, this is the crux of the matter--and to those in power, it is a matter of earth-shaking importance.

                    Long term, the Petrodollar is almost certainly doomed, as is the status of the US dollar as the world reserve currency. For the US, this is a VERY ugly prospect. The Middle Eastern wars and the resulting havoc, which is spilling over into Europe, are desperate efforts to stave off this inevitable outcome for as long as possible. This--from the point of view of the PTB--is an existential issue: Either we retain total dominance of the region or the US flames out like a big ole supernova.

                    I sure wouldn't want to preside (or be President) over this mess--which arose from disastrous economic and monetary policies that go back to at least 1971, when Nixon took us off the gold standard, and possibly all the way back to Breton Woods.

                    The American people have largely opposed these wars since the invasion of Iraq in 2003. I well remember the subsequent mid-term elections, when there was a massive voter turnout in an effort to unseat the Republican administration pursuing these policies of ME wars--which, it turns out, were also supported by the Democrats. Here we are fifteen years later, and this shit is still going on. (Before 2003, my impression that most Americans were okay with these conflicts.)

                    The bottom line here--which I think most Americans don't realize--is that the US has backed itself into a corner with the Petrodollar, and there is no really satisfactory way out. To continue to pour blood and treasure into these conflicts will ultimately be disastrous. Ending the conflicts on anything other than a basis of total dominance would also be disastrous. A multi-polar negotiated agreement would also be disastrous--though very difficult to achieve--but, if well done, would probably be the least disastrous course of action.

                    We're looking at the end of an empire here. There are many, many ways to soften the blow. All of them are politically impractical.

          2. wilderness profile image93
            wildernessposted 5 years agoin reply to this

            *shrug*  Sounds about as good as "Your honor, our President is guilty of whatever charge we choose to make because we HATE him.", doesn't it?

    16. Randy Godwin profile image60
      Randy Godwinposted 5 years ago

      lol Just what we need, another self proclaimed genius to put the left in their rightful place!  Look out horse, you're about to be toppled from your imaginary pinnacle of intelligence.  You just cannot make this $hit up.  cool

      1. blueheron profile image92
        blueheronposted 5 years agoin reply to this

        Do you have an actual point? I can make nothing of your comment other than apparent defensiveness about your own intellectual inferiority.

        1. Randy Godwin profile image60
          Randy Godwinposted 5 years agoin reply to this

          https://hubpages.com/politics/forum/338 … ost4012356


          Tell me about your great intellectual abilities, BH.  tongue

          1. Sharlee01 profile image79
            Sharlee01posted 5 years agoin reply to this

            Tell us about yours?  Once again a statement to insult, without provocation... No substance to your remark what so ever...

          2. blueheron profile image92
            blueheronposted 5 years agoin reply to this

            Why so defensive, then? (If I remember correctly, this is the second time you've felt the need to remark on someone's intelligence or education in a way that implied you believed intelligence and education to be damning in themselves--that is, treated these words a pejoratives.)

            From your mini-bio, we learn that you have read quite a few books, have had a productive job or two at some time or other, for a minute (I sense not now, or even lately), can fix stuff, are doing pretty well on Hubpages, have played sports (perhaps well), took a karate class, published an article or two in publication or two, play Trivia very well, and have been on TV.

            I have all the above qualifications, except for playing sports (I was never good at that), taking karate (not interested), and being skilled at Trivia (which I've never played, as far as I can remember).

            If you would like to be considered intelligent, it would be helpful if you would manifest this in you comments in some way, by demonstrating your knowledge and experience, and by engaging in adult discourse and reasoning--as opposed to using insults and deflection. If you could do this, your intelligence would speak for itself, with no external validation required.

            1. Randy Godwin profile image60
              Randy Godwinposted 5 years agoin reply to this

              I made this partial list of my proof of being intelligence because horse, Shar, and you are often suggesting those of us on the right are lacking intelligence, and not to be suggesting I'm a genius. You, shar, and horse have given Jake hell and accused him, among others of being mentally ill, a troll, and unintelligent. 

              I've had several productive jobs besides being a farmer full time. I still work on my farm but am retired now.

              "Can fix stuff"  You don't have any idea of the complexity of stuff I've fixed. But I'm not surprised you phrased it that way.  How many hydraulic systems have you "fixed"?


              And as far as your last paragraph, I surely do not need you or anyone else to tell me how and when to post on the forums. I'm very pleased you don't like my posts, otherwise I would be in agreement with you and your ilk.

              1. Sharlee01 profile image79
                Sharlee01posted 5 years agoin reply to this

                Randy,  Just to set you straight, when I  have received an insult without provocation I gave back as good as I got.   If provoked with a glib insult or deflection to another subject due to my response being ignored, yes I may have pointed out that these tactics are hypocritical and show lack of intelligence.   Randy, you fall back on all the liberal crutches, glib insults, deflection, and now acting "put upon".   Sorry, perhaps you should read this entire thread, you will discover that many on this thread have reverted to insults as well as frequent deflections. I have been insulted by many, and yes I gave back as good as I got.  Funny how you could not have noted this? Because you have insulted me time after time.    Do you feel only some are worthy of being insulted?   Perhaps, you should wake up to the reality that everyone has an opinion.   It's very apparent a line has been drawn between conservatives and liberals on this forum.   We can all respect each other opinions or we can toss insults back and forth. However, I don't see myself becoming a liberal anytime soon. So, I  would appreciate respect,  and I will return that respect. in kind.

              2. profile image0
                ahorsebackposted 5 years agoin reply to this

                When my name is mentioned I shall correct you;  I have either said  or implied that you and many here  are not POLITICALLY intelligent .
                A sad fact proven here over and over again .

                Proof , Just listen to yourselves .

              3. blueheron profile image92
                blueheronposted 5 years agoin reply to this

                Valeant, if you are going to insist on making comments that are a regular catalogue of logical fallacies (ad hominems, straw-man arguments, deflection, appeals to emotion, appeals to authority...probably missed some) you just naturally run the risk of people thinking that your cognitive abilities are a little (or a lot) on the sub-optimal side, for the simple reason that you are demonstrating that.

                Now, since you do seem to be a capable person at several levels, I believe it may be possible for you to learn habits of thought that are consistent with with rational discourse.

                I did a google search for some sources of information on this that I thought might be helpful to you. I didn't watch this one all the way through (though I think I will later), but it seems to be a good one: https://www.khanacademy.org/partner-con … l-thinking

                1. Valeant profile image86
                  Valeantposted 5 years agoin reply to this

                  I do enjoy your posts Sharon.  You're the well-grammared version of ahorseback.  God's gift to reasoning and all who voice a different political opinion cannot be worthy of sitting on your intellectual pedestal. 

                  I found a few resources for you as well to help: 

                  https://www.forbes.com/sites/markmurphy … 75d2f05d7c

                  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X3ess8txBX0

              4. blueheron profile image92
                blueheronposted 5 years agoin reply to this

                Randy, normally when people are deciding about the "ilk" they would like to be associated with, they choose people who present honest, factual, and well reasoned arguments. They shun people who present only insults, deflection, straw-man arguments, and other logical fallacies, and who make emotional appeals.

                You may well ask yourself why someone would present insults, deflection, straw-man arguments, and other logical fallacies, and make emotional appeals, especially since doing so exposes them as ignorant, childish, and dishonest. Why wouldn't they present truthful, well reasoned arguments in support of their premises? Short answer: Because they can't. Their premises cannot be supported by truth and reason. Name-calling, emotional appeals, and unreason are your only options when making a dishonest argument.

                Just thought I would offer  you some clarity about you "ilk." You might want to reconsider your allegiances.

                1. blueheron profile image92
                  blueheronposted 5 years agoin reply to this

                  You once mentioned that your were not a government employee. (You also once mentioned that your father had to leave a crop in the field because he was drafted into WWII--despite the fact that farmers were exempt from the draft.)

                  If your farming operation is of any size at all, you are most likely collecting government agricultural subsidies. I can actually go online and view the names of all the farmers in my area who are collecting ag subsidies, and how much. (Admittedly, for the typical small family farmer, it's not all that much money.) Most farmers--even small family farmers--are dependent on immigrant farm labor, unless they are just growing government subsidized row crops, where all the work can be done by machinery.

                  I'm not a farmer myself, but I have several friends who are farmers. (I know most of them because I do farmers' markets.) The reason I know they are dependent on immigrant labor is because they sometimes gripe about how hard it is to get immigrant labor in this area. (This is a low-wage, low cost-of-living state, where it's not feasible to pay $15/hour for labor--which immigrant labor can easily get in other states. Another problem is that immigrant agricultural laborers used to be men migrating alone. You could house them in a bunkhouse, or they could find their own accommodations. Now they bring their families, and a farmer who wants to hire immigrant labor must provide family-type housing for them, which is too expensive to do in this area, and state and county building codes may also be an obstacle. (E.g., the county may not let you set three or four single-wide trailers on your property.)

                  I'm rambling a little here, partly because I am not much in favor of ag subsidies, and partly because I think you may have made some omissions with regard to your own economic interests. Maybe I missed your explanation of how your dad came to be drafted into WWII, despite being exempt.

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                PrettyPantherposted 5 years agoin reply to this

                Blueheron, your post reminds me that I once asked you to display your superior critical thinking skills to prove to me how three million illegal immigrants voted for Hillary in the presidential election.

                You never responded

                Please. I want to be dazzled. Oh, and educated.

                1. Randy Godwin profile image60
                  Randy Godwinposted 5 years agoin reply to this

                  lol Good luck with that, Pretty!  Wanna bet she doesn't respond, or at least address the question properly? I'll give you some good odds. Does 4 to 1 sound tempting? tongue

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                    PrettyPantherposted 5 years agoin reply to this

                    Tempting, but I'm not holding my breath that she will respond. I see she's still proclaiming her mighty intellect, though. I just want to see it in action. big_smile

                2. blueheron profile image92
                  blueheronposted 5 years agoin reply to this

                  Absolute proof that millions of illegals voted for Hillary in the presidential election would be impossible to prove without a thorough audit of the vote. However, there are many reasons to suppose they did--and these reasons can be accessed by doing a google search.

                  Here is a link that examines some of these reasons. Here are some snips from the article:
                  " A 2014 study in the online Electoral Studies Journal shows that in the 2008 and 2010 elections, illegal immigrant votes were in fact quite high.

                  "We find that some noncitizens participate in U.S. elections, and that this participation has been large enough to change meaningful election outcomes including Electoral College votes, and congressional elections," wrote Jesse T. Richman, Gulshan A. Chattha, both of Old Dominion University, and David C. Earnest of George Mason University."

                  "While states control the voter registration process, some states are so notoriously slipshod in their controls (California, Virginia and New York — all of which have political movements to legalize voting by noncitizens — come to mind) that it would be shocking if many illegals didn't vote. Remember, a low-ball estimate says there are at least 11 million to 12 million illegals in the U.S., but that's based on faulty Census data. More likely estimates put the number at 20 million to 30 million." https://www.investors.com/politics/edit … e-in-2016/

                  In many states, it is easy for illegals to cast a vote. "The United States does not currently issue any general-use document intended to confirm both identity and citizenship. While a U.S. passport may be used for both these purposes, it is a travel document. Most people seek a passport when planning a trip and only a relatively small proportion of the population holds a passport at any given time. As a result, the preferred form of documentary identification in the United States is the drivers’ license. Drivers’ licenses are issued by the states, pursuant to a widely varying body of state-specific laws and regulations. Currently, twelve states and the District of Columbia allow illegal aliens to obtain a drivers’ license.....The intentions behind the Real ID Act also continue to be thwarted by certain provisions of the NVRA. These provisions, known as the “Motor-Voter Law,” require state departments of motor vehicles to act as voter registration proxies. The information supplied by license applicants doubles as voter registration information and the registration process has become nearly automatic. Because so many states continue to issue driver’s licenses to noncitizens, it is relatively easy for aliens to commit voter fraud through the Motor-Voter system. When renewing a driver’s license by mail, they simply check the boxes indicating that they wish to be registered as voters and affirming that they are a U.S. citizen. Most often, they are added to the voter rolls without any attempt to verify the applicant’s citizenship....In East Chicago, Indiana, a city with 30,000 residents, voting fraud was so systemic in 2003 that the State Supreme Court ordered a new election with heightened verification. When unlawful voters were prohibited from casting a ballot the outcome of the election changed....There is enough evidence of noncitizen voting to indicate that it is an ongoing problem that may have a significant effect on American electoral politics. Due to the low risk of penalty, and the lack of effective controls, alien voting is easy. In states without ID requirements, the only check against noncitizens registering to vote is a box on the application form asking registrants to confirm they are U.S. citizens. Given the fact that this affirmation is rarely verified and few violators are ever prosecuted, it is a pointless exercise that does nothing to deter voter fraud. In states with voter ID requirements, the lack of a single, standardized document that demonstrates both identity and citizenship makes voter fraud all too easy." https://www.fairus.org/issue/societal-i … -elections

                  Without an audit, it is impossible to know how many illegals/noncitizens voted in the 2016 election. There have been studies that have attempted to estimate these numbers. One such study states, "These study results and Census Bureau population estimates, 594,000 to 5.7 million non-citizens voted illegally in the 2008 election." https://www.dailywire.com/news/17769/tr … oseph-curl

                  We do know some things: 1. It is easy for illegals to vote in many states. 2. Illegals have a strong incentive to vote Democrat. 3. Democrat controlled cities and states have a strong incentive to encourage/allow voting by illegals/noncitizens, since they reliably vote Democrat. 4. Democrats have strongly opposed laws requiring photo ID or Real ID for voter registration.

                  Given that that are around 12 million illegals in the US (and very likely many more, as estimates run as high as 20-30 million), and many states have mechanisms in place to make it easy for them to vote, and they have a strong incentive to vote, my opinion is that the estimate that three million illegals voted for Hillary in 2012 is not an unreasonable one.

                  I would welcome an audit of the election results.

                  Probably the best course, going forward, would to establish and enforce Real ID laws that would make it very difficult for illegals to vote. With such laws in place, I think retrospective studies of voter patterns would give us a pretty good idea of the size of the problem.




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                  1. Valeant profile image86
                    Valeantposted 5 years agoin reply to this

                    Some rebuttal research, including hearing from the people that actually did the research and formulated the data that led to the article from the 2014 Electoral Studies Journal you cited:

                    https://www.politico.com/magazine/story … ked-214487

                    https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/won … 0fc00d0f86

                3. blueheron profile image92
                  blueheronposted 5 years agoin reply to this

                  Now, Pretty Panther, I do have to set you straight: I have never claimed to have a "mighty intellect." I have merely pointed out that some here seem to be unfamiliar with what I believed to be the the commonly known standards of rational discourse. If I were to take a guess as to why you are offended by someone bringing these standards to your attention (and felt the need to throw ridicule on someone's presumed possession of an intellect), I would guess that this is because (perhaps through no fault of your own) you are not really up to rational discourse--and are hence reacting to this emotionally, and that the emotion you are feeling is shame. Someone (me) has made you aware that the standard to which you hold yourself is kinda "sub-optimal," indicating that maybe you should try to improve yourself.

                  For example, it is shameful for a person to respond to rational discourse by ridiculing someone for "thinking they're smart." Such a remark is at the level of calling someone a pee-pee head. I hope there is no need for me to specify a grade-level here.

                  Moving on: In the first place, your premise is not true. (I.e., I don't "think I'm smart.") So, first off, I must point out to you that the absolute first rule and gold standard of rational discourse is that you should limit yourself to telling the truth.

                  Let me say what I said before again: This kind of response is shameful. You have demonstrated that you lack integrity. You have also demonstrated that you are unable or unwilling to control your emotions.

                  Luckily for you, there is no need for you to go through life feeling the need to ridicule people for being intelligent, rational, informed, or educated. All this can be yours too, with a little effort and self-discipline on your part.

                  You can become informed and educated. You can learn to discipline your mind to think rationally. You can train yourself to be honest and truthful. You can train yourself not to let your emotions rule you. In other words, you too can be a grown-up.

                  These are not the standards of "mighty intellects." These are the standards of grown-ups.

            2. Sharlee01 profile image79
              Sharlee01posted 5 years agoin reply to this

              Randy. You consider yourself "On the right"?
              "I made this partial list of my proof of being intelligence because horse, Shar, and you are often suggesting those of us on the right are lacking intelligence, and not to be suggesting I'm a genius. You, shar, and horse have given Jake hell and accused him, among others of being mentally ill, a troll, and unintelligent. "   You certainly could have fooled me?

      2. JAKE Earthshine profile image67
        JAKE Earthshineposted 5 years ago

        So you think I'm mentally ill Sharlee01? Nothing compared to this mindless, incoherent babbler and guess what? Even though he's illegitimate, he might have the nuclear sequence at his disposal unless of course the powers that be have executed the prudent option which would have been to assign him a 'dummy button'  to avoid global atomic calamity: This would be the only possible course of action given his clear and apparent mental bankruptcy:

        If this display of awkward, difficult to watch retardation doesn't frighten you to death, nothing ever will:

        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aaoV4fxFk2Q

        https://usercontent2.hubstatic.com/14099531.png

        BTW: Sloppy Cohen's lawyers are disputing only 12,000 pieces of evidence out of millions confiscated by the FBI raids on his properties which means he is very close to the end and I'm confident he has already 'flipped' to the good side against Spanky Trump: The stress must be unbearable at this point and maybe that's why Bozo Spanky escaped to SC the other night to host another of his little 3 ring hate festivals where he obviously had nothing better to do with our time than what this boring predictable degenerate always does, execute a little incoherent tizzy fit raging rant against Jimmy Fallon while children are abused in cages, right here in the rapidly deteriorating 3rd world dictatorship that once was the great USA:

        Seriously, aren't you bored with this relentless, retarded 3 ring circus of hate and weirdness yet, while the USA is reduced to rubble?:

        1. Sharlee01 profile image79
          Sharlee01posted 5 years agoin reply to this

          I live in Michigan and can provide links to provide facts on our NOW booming economy. I attribute this boom to Trump's progressive economic agenda. Not sure where you live, but hopefully it's not in "rubble"?   "USA is reduced to rubble"?  Maybe you might want to have a look at what's happening in your state. I am very satisfied with what's happening in mine. No rubble here...

          In regard to Cohen - Let me remind you Cohn has yet to be charged. So no real reason to "flip"?  In regards to the president' rallies. I like the fact  I have a president that is determined to work hard on his agenda and keep his campaign promises. I give him credit for getting out there promoting the Republican agenda he campaigned on.  Just my opinion. I have never actually witnessed this kind of devotion to promises made. 

          Nuclear Codes- I have no concerns with the president having the nuclear sequence at his disposal the 'dummy button'  or do  I have the fear he will cause a  "global atomic calamity". So mute point.

          Trump's first year has produced wonderful results in Michigan

          In regard to referring to your mental status. I owe you an apology. No excuses. I apologize for openly insulting you...

          http://www.crainsdetroit.com/article/20 … lity-rd-up

          Amazon is about to open their new distribution plant in my community.
          https://www.mlive.com/business/index.ss … wareh.html

          Our  Automotive plants are investing and thriving.
          https://www.clickondetroit.com/news/fir … n-25-years

          https://www.reuters.com/article/us-fiat … SKBN1F034F

          http://www.crainsdetroit.com/article/20 … s-for-jobs

          Our construction industry is the best its been in a decade.
          http://michiganradio.org/post/forecast- … higan-2018

        2. blueheron profile image92
          blueheronposted 5 years agoin reply to this

          "So you think I'm mentally ill Sharlee01?"

          I for one feel confident that you have papers to prove it.

          I also feel pretty confident that you are no longer at large.

        3. blueheron profile image92
          blueheronposted 5 years agoin reply to this

          Still auditioning for "The Shining," Jake? The casting call closed years ago.

      3. JAKE Earthshine profile image67
        JAKE Earthshineposted 5 years ago

        https://hubstatic.com/14103708_f1024.jpg

        Breaking BIG: Mass Protests: All Americans who are fired up to stop the evil oval office madness and salvage what is remaining of the USA should join the GROWING Resistance in their massive global protests to beat back Bozo Trump and his Russian controlled republican stooge congress-persons: Don't rely solely upon the impending and inevitable indictment and impeachment of Mr. Trump and his accomplices, get out and make change happen now:

        1. blueheron profile image92
          blueheronposted 5 years agoin reply to this

          A recent poll shows that 80% of Americans want secure borders and oppose open borders, 70% want to end chain migration, and that 68% believe immigration should be merit-based. This unsurprising. Most Americans prefer that immigration policy should reflect the economic and social interests of American citizens, and should provide for national security.

          http://thehill.com/opinion/white-house/ … eamers-too

          Promoting policies that cost US citizens of $17 billion a year in services for illegals, destroy the employment prospects of US citizens, and allow MS13 and other violent Mexican drug gangs to enter the country will probably not play well for the Democrats at the midterm elections.

          The violence that occurred at the Portland protest--setting off flash-bangs, fireworks, and attacking the peaceful prayer marchers (who had a permit) with weapons such as steel rods--does not play well either.

          There is an entertaining video of the rioting, in which an Antifa guy attacks one of the prayer marchers, landing several blows with a steel rod--before getting his clock cleaned.

          https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2018-07- … ntifa-goes

          1. JAKE Earthshine profile image67
            JAKE Earthshineposted 5 years agoin reply to this

            Still can't figure out how the topic has been perverted to a discussion about immigration but oh well: If we still have laws, Mr. Trump will pay dearly for his immigration crimes:

            But have no fear, when Michael Avenatti, Stormy, South NY and Mueller are finished with Mr. Trump, if he manages to evade capilal punishment for his $130,000 hush money payments, treachery and other atrocious crimes against humanity, hopefully a federal judge will sentence him to a life time of 'border patrol' where he's instructed to allow children escaping tragic situations in another country to come forward and rest easy, while OBSTRUCTING any and all individuals who carry the last name of Trump:

            EASY to profile and spot at the border, just look for orangey shades in skin pigment with big puffy eye bags and purplish ears and lips:


            https://hubstatic.com/14108866.jpg

            1. dianetrotter profile image62
              dianetrotterposted 5 years agoin reply to this

              Michael Cohen has  removed all references to Trump from his Twitter age.

          2. Sharlee01 profile image79
            Sharlee01posted 5 years agoin reply to this

            Well, said...  It's amazing not only how some promote open borders at any cost.  Do they not realize the crime that could result from this kind of ridiculous policy? Not to mention the cost burden on American citizens. It is alarming how many on the left do not realize if we don't thrive monetary wise as a country, we have no funds to hand out to American citizens in need let alone immigrants.   It surprises me that the Dems continue down the path of open borders? It's certainly showing lack of common sense. Hopefully, they stick to their lofty ideals, at least until after the next elections in Nov.

            1. wilderness profile image93
              wildernessposted 5 years agoin reply to this

              There are a great many people so completely ignorant of economics that they truly believe the government, specifically the US government, has unlimited resources.

              Plus, of course, you can always take more from the "rich".  After all, if you confiscated the entire wealth of the 1% it would run the country for a few months!

              1. JAKE Earthshine profile image67
                JAKE Earthshineposted 5 years agoin reply to this

                I know this is way off topic but if the federal government doesn't have unlimited resources why did Bozo Trump and his republican accomplices in congress just reduce the governments income stream by trillions when they passed their corporate welfare tax cut scheme which gives elite Wall Street companies that are already hoarding trillions of our wealth in foreign lands, even more trillions?

                Talk about a Trump University style scam:

                1. Sharlee01 profile image79
                  Sharlee01posted 5 years agoin reply to this

                  The richer the 1% the better. We need to encourage large businesses to come back to the USA, and new businesses to consider our country as a good place to do business. With good competitive tax rates, we attract businesses and enjoy more taxes overall.  More jobs create more tax dollars. America has to get back to making money, not borrowing money.

                  1. JAKE Earthshine profile image67
                    JAKE Earthshineposted 5 years agoin reply to this

                    That's simply not true and the Trump corporate welfare tax cut scam just made it more convenient for elite Wall Street corporations to buy back their own stock and stash more of our cash offshore in foreign lands:

                    CEO's found an ultra-idiot Russian stooge in Donald Trump just like Vladimir Putin and Kim Jung Un did, and boy are they exploiting him:

                    1. Sharlee01 profile image79
                      Sharlee01posted 5 years agoin reply to this

                      It's already a fact. The tax producing big businesses to repatriate almost one trillion in cash back to the USA. More businesses more jobs = more tax revenue. Oh, and less we will have to borrow from Japan and China. Maybe even lower the HUGE debt that Obama created... LOL

                      1. Valeant profile image86
                        Valeantposted 5 years agoin reply to this

                        http://thehill.com/policy/finance/38203 … lf-of-2018

                        So Trump is running a deficit in half a year for what Obama did in all of 2016.  The stable genius at work again.

            2. Valeant profile image86
              Valeantposted 5 years agoin reply to this

              The only people even saying the phrase open borders are the people on the right.  The last leftist government dropped the number of undocumented immigrants by a million.  We're all for having a secure border and enforcing the law.  We'd just like to have a little humanity while doing so.

              1. Sharlee01 profile image79
                Sharlee01posted 5 years agoin reply to this

                I know those on the left are big on humanity. Just not big on coming up with immigration reform. Sometimes it's just better to send a strong message, and maybe just maybe people will come legally, and not drag their children across Mexico.  We have laws we just need to enforce them and send the message we are enforcing them. Seems simple, does it not?

                1. Valeant profile image86
                  Valeantposted 5 years agoin reply to this

                  Like I said, the laws were being enforced.  Most deportations of any president, net undocumented immigrants down by a million.  It's not the left's job to come up with immigration reform, it's both parties' job by the way.

                  If your idea of sending a strong message includes violating the human rights of children, us on the left will pass.  What you on the right continue to try and justify astounds us on the left.  That'll be more than enough of a platform to bring the party together.

                  1. wilderness profile image93
                    wildernessposted 5 years agoin reply to this

                    The laws were being enforced?  Really?

                    What is the law on children brought here illegally (DACA)?  Not the presidential decision to ignore a law he didn't agree with, but the law as passed by congress?

                    1. Valeant profile image86
                      Valeantposted 5 years agoin reply to this

                      The Dream Act passed the house in both 2007 and 2011, but the Senate filibustered it both times.  The Senate under McConnell filibustered most things under Obama just as a means of playing politics.  Immigration reform stalled with that Congress, so Obama did what they wouldn't, tried to come up with a viable solution to an immigration issue.  You see that as a negative, but that was the hand he was dealt under an obstructionist Congress.

                      Once DACA was put in place, Congress voted to defund it, which was hilarious because the program paid for itself through application fees.  It didn't offer a path to citizenship, but gained 850,000 applications for undocumented immigrants to work in the United States based on good behavior and with requirements of when they were brought to the United States. 

                      Isn't one of the tenets of the GOP, that immigration be merit-based?  Granting the option to work based on good behavior sounds like it falls into that category.  Surprised you would oppose that.

      4. profile image0
        ahorsebackposted 5 years ago

        Dunning --Kruger , There is no political party on earth more brainwashed to the mindset of of group thought , selfish OWO socialism and self entitlement governing  than alt-democrats in the United States , bar none  ....    Blame transfer , denial of personal accountability  , .........the new direction of their political party .

        Party Platform 2018-2020 ?   "Gimme all you can Uncle Sam !"

      5. JAKE Earthshine profile image67
        JAKE Earthshineposted 5 years ago

        https://hubstatic.com/14107312.png

        Seriously, who actually thought Michael Cohen would abandon his family to serve a life sentence n prison to protect this strange, disturbing looking treacherous coward who betrays the USA almost every single day?

        "Michael Cohen’s Next Move May Be a Sit-Down With Prosecutors"

        https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles … rosecutors

      6. JAKE Earthshine profile image67
        JAKE Earthshineposted 5 years ago

        Breaking BIG ******* Developing NOW : Just one of Donny Boy's MAJOR legal problems in the SD of NY criminal investigation: According to investigative reporting, Michael Cohen was advertised as his acting agent on social media up until yesterday: Considering the evidence reveals Cohen had very few if any bona fide clients pertaining to his law practice, was Cohen acting as agent in a different capacity for Donny when he received millions in cash from several different entities including corporate pay offs that 'batty' Rudy Giuliani said on national television was 'funneled' through his secret LLC? We don't see much of Rudy anymore, I wonder why? Was he acting as agent when he funneled $130,000 to Stormy's Bev Hills attorney?

        Was Donny Boy the recipient of all or part of the funneled cash and where is it now?


        "Michael Cohen drops Trump attorney label on social media"

        "Washington (CNN)Michael Cohen dropped the reference "personal attorney to President Donald J. Trump" from his Twitter and LinkedIn biographies on Wednesday, days after he spoke to ABC News about his legal situation.

        The change on Twitter was not immediately accompanied by a change on his LinkedIn page, and his Twitter account still included a hyperlink to LinkedIn. But later Wednesday the reference was also gone from Cohen's LinkedIn page."

        https://www.cnn.com/2018/07/04/politics … index.html

        1. Randy Godwin profile image60
          Randy Godwinposted 5 years agoin reply to this

          Rudy has been mysteriously absent for a few weeks now, Jake. Some of Spanky's brighter attorneys may have told him to "shut the hell up!"  lol

          1. JAKE Earthshine profile image67
            JAKE Earthshineposted 5 years agoin reply to this

            lol, 'brighter attorneys' Randy? Like who? Did he snag a lawyer with a brain while I wasn't looking?

            1. Randy Godwin profile image60
              Randy Godwinposted 5 years agoin reply to this

              Good point, Jake. Did you hear Cohen has hired Lanny Davis--onetime Clinton attorney--to counter Rudy's BS? If this was a novel it would never be published because no one would believe it could happen.  I'll wager it will get even weirder before Spanky makes like cow shit and hits the trail. Bwaaaahaha! lol

              1. JAKE Earthshine profile image67
                JAKE Earthshineposted 5 years agoin reply to this

                Well Randy, Lanny wasn't Bubba Bill's best that's for sure and now I guess we all understand the reason why Donny Boy and his republican accomplices gave all our money to his filthy rich elite Wall Street pals through his corporate welfare tax cut scam, destroying our economy with his insane trade war which is killing his own fans and all this while licking Vladimir Putin's dirty boots, one of which is tightly clutched upon his jugular: Favors for Putin?

                What do you think he'll be discussing with Putin on his upcoming trip to Moscow? Which motel 6 Vladimir will shack him and his family up in while they beg him for political asylum?

                The 'hammer and sickle' is coming, and they ain't wielded by the soviet union, more like instruments of demise used by Mueller and the SD of NY:

                1. Randy Godwin profile image60
                  Randy Godwinposted 5 years agoin reply to this

                  In the meantime, Spanky doesn't believe his own intelligence agencies who tell him Putin definitely meddled in our elections. He's either a moron or is in bed with Putie. Neither is good....

                  1. blueheron profile image92
                    blueheronposted 5 years agoin reply to this

                    So.... I guess you haven't really been following the "Russia collusion" story.

                    1. Valeant profile image86
                      Valeantposted 5 years agoin reply to this

                      In today's news on the investigation:

                      WASHINGTON — A former top Watergate prosecutor, expressing impatience with the pace of Robert Mueller’s Russia probe, says the Justice Department special counsel should move “promptly” to file a report on President Trump’s conduct and stop “letting this thing drag on.”

                      “I think it’s in the national interest to move promptly to bring this matter to a head,” said Philip Lacovara, who served as senior counsel to Watergate special prosecutors Archibald Cox and Leon Jaworski.

                      But Lacovara has a darker view of Trump’s conduct than Gowdy and his House GOP colleagues have. As Lacovara sees it, there’s already enough evidence to charge the president with obstructing justice, and Mueller should stop wasting his time trying to negotiate an interview with Trump.

                      “My basic point is that Trump’s testimony is not necessary to either of those things — for the simple reason that whatever he says is not likely to be believable,” he added. “The president’s statements simply are irrelevant to the truth. Or putting it more pointedly, the truth is simply irrelevant to the president’s statements, and therefore one cannot rely on the president either to exonerate the innocent – the allegedly innocent – or to convict the allegedly guilty.”

                      Lacovara argued that Trump’s public comments last year about the firing of FBI Director James Comey — telling NBC’s Lester Holt that he did so because of “this Russia thing” — provided sufficient grounds to trigger the obstruction statute.

                      “I don’t think there is much more that Mueller needed,” Lacovara said. “Now, that’s all over a year ago. I can’t even imagine any plausible basis for stretching out the analysis of obstruction or no obstruction.”

                      Basically, what we all know.  Trump admitted that the Russia Investigation played a role in the firing.  And that he'll lie to cover that up.

                      1. Sharlee01 profile image79
                        Sharlee01posted 5 years agoin reply to this

                        This gentleman "Lacovara", is giving an opinion without having any kind of fact to back it up?  If his legal opinion is viable, please tell me why Trump has not been charged?  Mueller has the top prosecutors investigating Trump. If they could charge Trump, they would have charged him with anything from obstruction to jaywalking.    Need I remind you Trump can fire and hire in regards to the head of the FBI. He was within his authority to fire him.  Has he fired Mueller? NO,  In fact, by firing Comey he actually created the Mueller investigation.   May you be wasting your high hopes on a pundits opinion? 

                        "I don’t think there is much more that Mueller needed,” Lacovara said. “Now, that’s all over a year ago. I can’t even imagine any plausible basis for stretching out the analysis of obstruction or no obstruction."

                        If we're banking on an opinion I would speculate that Mueller may not have found anything, that's why Trump has not been charged with anything... However, I don't speculate on pundits.  I would think it wiser to wait and see what the Mueller investigation comes up with.
                        I am very interested in hat Horowitz may find in his investigation into possible irregularities that went on at the FBI, DOJ, and WH during the 2016 election.

                      2. JAKE Earthshine profile image67
                        JAKE Earthshineposted 5 years agoin reply to this

                        Rather than charge Trump and family with the obvious crimes of obstruction of justice, abuse of power, treason, treachery, witness tampering, money laundering and emoluments clause violations, I think Mueller is waiting to gather all evidence and charges which keep getting compounded almost daily, and then indict him with ALL crimes ALL at once:

      7. profile image0
        ahorsebackposted 5 years ago

        Why liberals will never get it that a friendly business climate grows an economy better than over-taxation , is beyond all the economists .  of course with the exception of socialist economists . They are the ones who quietly invest their money in American markets .   

        More tax  cuts coming !

      8. Randy Godwin profile image60
        Randy Godwinposted 5 years ago

        The Senate committee found the exact opposite from the House investigation. The Russian meddling was worse that they ever expected. Made a liar out of both Nunes and Spanky, of course, anyone with a brain already knew this...

        1. Sharlee01 profile image79
          Sharlee01posted 5 years agoin reply to this

          last I heard Horowitz has moved on to investigate Russia meddling in the election? I think he will do a better job than the Senate committee or the house investigation.

          https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/na … 1943d38f4b

        2. Sharlee01 profile image79
          Sharlee01posted 5 years agoin reply to this

          Must we have read a different report?  I know it was lengthy, but you might want to have another look at it. LOL

      9. profile image0
        ahorsebackposted 5 years ago

        I can't wait until Mueller dies a very rich  and "honorable " man , I doubt even then there will be one iota of indictment other than perhaps one more reason for a perhaps reusable line like Clintons ," It all depends on what is , Is  "
        Cost Now ? $20 Million and counting .

        1. Sharlee01 profile image79
          Sharlee01posted 5 years agoin reply to this

          I feel the same. I would surmise he has found nothing. It is remarkable that some can't realize if Mueller found any conclusive evidence that Trump or anyone in his campaign broke the law he would indite them. Actually, the 23 that have been indited where done so with good speed. I hope he pulls a "Comey" and comes out with his "lack of findings" a week or so before Nov elections.  This would be justice... LOL

      10. Randy Godwin profile image60
        Randy Godwinposted 5 years ago
        1. Sharlee01 profile image79
          Sharlee01posted 5 years agoin reply to this

          It's very clear after several investigations that Russia interfere in the election. As they have been doing known to do so for some years now, as well they have used the same tactics in other countries. What is disturbing is that there is no news that much is being done to stop Russia from doing it again.

          1. blueheron profile image92
            blueheronposted 5 years agoin reply to this

            Here's the last I heard about "Russian interference": Mueller indicted 13 Russians involved with the "troll farm," which had supposedly attempted to sway the US presidential election through Facebook posts.

            To summarize:

            "When Mueller brought the only case he’s charged that involves Russian interference in the 2016 campaign, we noted that it was more theater than prosecution. The Russian defendants are all beyond U.S. jurisdiction, so there would be no trial, and thus no possibility that the allegations would ever be tested in court. It seemed like a perfect opportunity for the special counsel to try to control the narrative: an indictment asserting something that, however highly probable, would be very difficult to prove beyond a reasonable doubt in a criminal trial — namely, that the Russian regime meddled in the U.S. election." In other words, Mueller's indictments were a mere stunt with little or no evidence to back them up. But he figured, "Hey, these guys won't show up in court and make me prove my case."

            Surprise!

            Continuing:

            "Alas, figuring that he was playing with the house money, Mueller made a reckless bet: He charged not only Russian individuals but three Russian businesses. A business doesn’t have the same risks as a person. A business can’t be thrown in jail.

            "So . . . guess what? One of those Russian businesses, Concord Management and Consulting, wants its day in court. It has retained the Washington law firm of Reed Smith, two of whose partners, Eric Dubelier and Katherine Seikaly, have told Mueller that Concord is ready to have its trial — and by the way, let’s see all the discovery the law requires you to disclose, including all the evidence you say supports the extravagant allegations in the indictment.

            "Needless to say, Mueller’s team is not happy about this development since this is not a case they figured on having to prosecute to anything more than a successful press conference. So, they have sought delay on the astonishing ground that the defendant has not been properly served — notwithstanding that the defendant has shown up in court and asked to be arraigned.

            "Understand, service of process is simply the means by which a party seeks what Mueller has already got: the opposing party’s appearance in the lawsuit. But Mueller’s argument is so priceless we can’t let it go unstated: In order to serve the defendants in a criminal case in which Mueller alleges that Russia is an adversary government that conducted espionage operations against the American election, the Justice Department sought the assistance of . . . yes . . . the government of Russia. I know you’ll be shocked to hear this, but DOJ says Russia never got back to them.

            "Something tells me that Concord’s appearance in court is Russia’s way of getting back to them.

            "Judge Dabney Friedrich curtly denied Mueller’s request. Mueller’s prosecutors had suggested that weeks of briefing were necessary to probe the question of whether Concord had been served properly. As Concord has voluntarily appeared, however, it is not apparent why that question needs examination — if he wants to stand on ceremony, Mueller could just hand the lawyers a copy of the indictment when they see each other in court this week.

            "In fact, though, Concord’s lawyers have been scrutinizing the indictment very carefully, and making demands for discovery that they say Mueller has ignored for weeks. To put it mildly, this is not a case the special counsel is anxious to try; he is even less thrilled at the prospect of disclosing his evidence and investigative files to a business controlled by Yevgeny Prigozhin.

            "But as all prosecutors are taught from their first day on the job: Never indict a case unless you are prepared to try the case."

            https://www.nationalreview.com/2018/05/ … -manafort/

            So, in case some here are having trouble following this chain of events, Mueller's indictments of 13 Russians were without substance--a mere stunt. He never expected anyone to call his bluff and force him to actually try the case. (Let alone go through the disclosure process.) He has since been chiefly occupied with figuring how to avoid the embarrassment of taking the case to court.

            There's your Russian interference.
            :

            1. Randy Godwin profile image60
              Randy Godwinposted 5 years agoin reply to this

              Yes, Mueller's known for being a dumbass!  tongue

              1. blueheron profile image92
                blueheronposted 5 years agoin reply to this

                A quote from the article that bears repeating is, "Mueller brought the ONLY case he’s charged that involves Russian interference in the 2016 campaign...."

                That's it. After about a year and a half of investigating, the guy indicts 13 Russians involved somehow or other in some (apparently rather inept) troll farm, that sounds to have been a rather rinky-dink operation. And Mueller is now seeking some pretext to avoid trying the case--presumably because he never had a case.

                1. Valeant profile image86
                  Valeantposted 5 years agoin reply to this

                  Concord is the company that ran the troll farm.  It's owner has direct ties to Putin.  Mueller is delaying to protect sources.  Why?  Maybe because Putin has this weird habit of killing people.

                2. Randy Godwin profile image60
                  Randy Godwinposted 5 years agoin reply to this

                  You presume too much. Just because Mueller has a leak proof investigation doesn't mean he has nothing to show for it.

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                    ahorsebackposted 5 years agoin reply to this

                    "Leak proof ", He has leaked like a siv from day one  .
                    Randy , get some facts .

                    1. Valeant profile image86
                      Valeantposted 5 years agoin reply to this

                      The press likes to guess what he's up to, but no leaks are originating from his camp.  One constructive fact, it's spelled sieve.

                  2. Sharlee01 profile image79
                    Sharlee01posted 5 years agoin reply to this
                    1. Valeant profile image86
                      Valeantposted 5 years agoin reply to this

                      Another of those posts based on fact, eh?  Where is the proof the leaks have come from Mueller's team?  It's more likely Trump's team is the source of those leaks so they can control the narrative.

                      1. Randy Godwin profile image60
                        Randy Godwinposted 5 years agoin reply to this

                        Trump fans simply make claims with little or no basis in facts.  Just like their idol...


                        They wish Mueller's team leaked info, but they know the WH is the sieve for the leaks.

                      2. Sharlee01 profile image79
                        Sharlee01posted 5 years agoin reply to this

                        Not sure you read the links I posted? Could you please tell me why Trump would want to have this leak?

                        1. 'NBC News reported Monday that Mueller has “gathered enough evidence” to indict former national security adviser Michael Flynn and his son.


                        Mueller has enough evidence to charge Flynn in Russia investigation
                        Mueller has enough evidence to charge Flynn in Russia investigation
                        This followed the earlier leak to CNN — 72 hours in advance — that the grand jury had voted the first indictments in the investigation, later identified as former campaign chairman Paul Manafort and his business associate Rick Gates.
                        And that raises the suspicion that the special counsel may be playing politics with his prosecutions.

                        True, the leaks may not necessarily have come from Mueller’s office, though the incentive for anyone else is pretty limited. (CNN identified its sources as people “briefed on the matter” and NBC as “sources familiar with the investigation.”)

                        2. Manafort leaks.
                        https://www.cnn.com/2018/05/21/politics … index.html

          2. blueheron profile image92
            blueheronposted 5 years agoin reply to this

            The whole Russiagate thing was horseshit from the beginning. Mueller is afraid/embarrassed to go to court to prosecute the only people he's indicted (some guys running a little troll farm) on election meddling.

            There is zero reason to believe Russia had anything to do with the Skripal poisonings.

            There are many excellent reasons to normalize relations with Russia. Russia is in competition with the US in relation to oil and natural gas, and in relation to Middle Eastern politics (mostly related to oil), there aren't really a lot of other points of contention.

            There are concerns among out masters that Russia has largely freed itself from international banksters, and increasing concern that Russia may join with other countries to ditch the petrodollar at some future time. I also imagine that Monsanto is displeased that Russia has outlawed GMOs. Russia's sins that displease the PTB are its pursuit of sound money and its insistence on not poisoning its own people.

            NATO has been obsolete at least since the collapse of the USSR. https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2018-07- … o-con-game

            1. Valeant profile image86
              Valeantposted 5 years agoin reply to this

              Really, isn't it weird then that they were in court last Friday filing briefs that confirm they can prove conspiracy to defraud the United States against Concord (which is basically Yevgeniy Prigozhin, a Russian businessman known as Putin's chef).

              https://www.politico.com/story/2018/06/ … ase-620653

              And strange that if there was no reason to believe that Russia was involved in the poisoning that ten countries would move to expel over 150 Russian diplomats because of the incident.  I guess you know more than they do.

              1. blueheron profile image92
                blueheronposted 5 years agoin reply to this

                Mueller's attorneys have no choice but to proceed against Concord--unless they would like to further embarrass themselves by asking for a dismissal. A federal judge rejected Mueller's laughable request for a delay. Poor guy didn't expect to actually have to try the case in court, since the absence of extradition agreements would make it impossible to compel the defendants to appear. Unfortunately for Mueller, Concord can now compel him to produce actual evidence--discovery. He's boxed himself in. https://www.politico.com/story/2018/05/ … lay-570627

                Re the Skripal poisonings, Porton Down Labs says that it cannot determine the source of the Novichok, which is unsurprising. What this means is that there is simply no possible proof that the source was Russia. Opinions by Teresa May or Boris Johnson, or whomover, are simply meaningless. (They pulled their opinions out of their ass; they have no basis in facts or evidence.) You need to get your bullshit meter checked. At the rate you are going, you will soon be a rep a half-dozen MLMs. https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/br … b05ff32cbb

                When ten (or however many) countries expel Russian diplomats because of these completely unproven and unfounded charges, they are (duh) politically motivated. Quite a few few countries are in a bit of a panic over the possibility of rapprochement between the US and Russia, since this would be very much against the interests of globalists and international banksters, and the EU. Lots of games are in play here, mostly related to energy, finance, and currencies.

                The globalists and international bankers have largely lost control of Russia. Putin kicked out the Rothchilds and Soros, and issued international arrest warrants against them. Russia is vilified because it has become quite a big problem for the NWO slave masters. http://reflectionofmind.org/vladimir-pu … ild-soros/

                I don't know about "knowing more than they do," but I do know that actions that have no basis in fact or evidence are...um...motivated by something other than facts and evidence. Which is pretty much a no-brainer. You should try thinking and reasoning some time.

              2. blueheron profile image92
                blueheronposted 5 years agoin reply to this

                And now we have Deputy Attorney General Rod Rosenstein’s indictment of 12 Russian military intelligence officers for allegedly hacking Hillary’s emails and interfering in the US election.

                Paul Craig Roberts points out: "If you read the indictment, you will see that it consists of nothing but improbable accusations. There is no way on earth that the US Justice (sic) Department would be able to acquire the information in this fictional story that Rosenstein has presented. Moreover, there is no sign whatsoever of any evidence in the indictment. Rosenstein knows that he needs no evidence, because the accused will never be brought to trial."

                So.... Rosenstein is playing the same game and Mueller: Concocting bullshit indictments, secure in the certainty that the case will never be heard in court.

                https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2018-07- … indictment

                1. Valeant profile image86
                  Valeantposted 5 years agoin reply to this

                  So an 80-year-old guy who hasn't held a government position since 1982 when he was assistant secretary of the treasury, suddenly is a specialist on forensics and evidence collection.

                  Weren't you just saying last week how Mueller was afraid to act against the 'troll farm' as you called it?  That troll farm turns out to be the GRU by the way.  And today, he's indicted them with specific illegal actions they took against the United States.

                  And they likely won't be brought to trial because Trump will cower to Putin like he always does.

                  1. wilderness profile image93
                    wildernessposted 5 years agoin reply to this

                    Think Russia would extradite them?  Or will they not be brought to trial whatever Trump says or does?

                    Don't forget - as far as I know what they did is not illegal in Russia.  Or can they be tried in Russia, using Russian justice?

                    1. Valeant profile image86
                      Valeantposted 5 years agoin reply to this

                      I don't think Russia would extradite them, no.  Especially since they were likely ordered to do it by Putin.

                      1. wilderness profile image93
                        wildernessposted 5 years agoin reply to this

                        Then saying it won't happen because Trump will cower to Putin is a little disingenuous, isn't it?  Was that just another faux reason to get in a little Trump dig without having to resort to reason or fact?

                      2. blueheron profile image92
                        blueheronposted 5 years agoin reply to this

                        The indictment farcical on other grounds:

                        "Mueller indicted a bunch of GRU dudes?

                        "For violating the US Computer Fraud and Abuse Act?

                        "Are you kidding me?

                        "Actually, no.

                        "He really did.

                        "Under exactly what rubric is the GRU (Russian Nationals, in Russia) subject to US jurisdiction?"

                        http://market-ticker.org/akcs-www?post=233786

                  2. blueheron profile image92
                    blueheronposted 5 years agoin reply to this

                    Re the more recent indictment: "The entire indictment (full pdf below) is based on the premise of the FBI conducting some -unexplained and unsubstantiated- form of forensic data-analysis to formulate their detailed conclusions.

                    "However, can anyone explain how this FBI forensic data-analysis was possible when the FBI was never allowed access to the DCCC, DNC and Clinton Campaign servers?" https://theconservativetreehouse.com/20 … -division/

                    Forensic analysis of hacking rather requires access to the servers in question. (Duh.)

                    1. Valeant profile image86
                      Valeantposted 5 years agoin reply to this

                      Do they?  So forwarding the phishing e-mails wouldn't accomplish the same conclusion?  Your technical background about hacking lets you make that statement.  Making soap and specializing in government hacking, quite the diverse skill set you have.

                  3. blueheron profile image92
                    blueheronposted 5 years agoin reply to this

                    As far as I can find out, there is no indication that the troll farm was GRU. (Provide a link if you have one.) I think you have the two indictments confused.

                    Now, the subjects of the more recent indictment are intelligence officers who "served in a branch of the Russian military formerly known as the G.R.U."

                    Unfortunately, without access to the servers that were supposedly hacked by Russians, it would be quite impossible for forensic evidence to link anybody to anything. You gotta have the servers to have forensic evidence, and no law enforcement agency has ever been allowed to access the servers.

                    1. Valeant profile image86
                      Valeantposted 5 years agoin reply to this

                      I admit fault about confusing the troll farm with the latest indictments.  Those are two separate groups.

              3. blueheron profile image92
                blueheronposted 5 years agoin reply to this

                No one is asking you to be a genius here. What is required is quite a bit more simple: a reliance on actual facts and evidence (truth), along with a preference for truth, rather than a preference for relying fable (lies). This is what intellectual integrity is.

                1. Valeant profile image86
                  Valeantposted 5 years agoin reply to this

                  Unlike others here, I can admit when I post something that is incorrect.  With some of the falsehoods you've posted, you have no standing for a lecture on the truth.

      11. blueheron profile image92
        blueheronposted 5 years ago

        I would be interested in hearing an explanation from leftists posting here as which specific policies they fear that Trump (and conservatives in general) will institute--since it seems to me that this is what is at the root of all this animosity.

        It appears to me that liberals are opposed to  1) closing the borders against illegal immigration, even going so far as to demand open borders, 2) establishing a non-adversarial/friendly relationship between the US and Russia, 3) ending or re-negotiating trade agreements (such as NAFTA) that have been damaging damaging to the US economy,  and 4) reducing government intrusions against individuals and businesses.

        I think that there is also a perception that, long term, certain liberal social policies might be overturned or de-funded, such as Roe vs. Wade, affirmative action, and some gay/tranny rights.

        Conservatives generally, I think, hope for a diminution of government size power, including its military presence and involvement, especially overseas. It kind of appears to me that liberals are opposed to that, as well.

        Some, if not all, of these liberal positions are pretty hard to defend: Hence all the silly nonsense about Trump's personal characteristics and mannerisms and Russiagate (pure invention). 

        What are you guys actually worried about, policy-wise?

        1. Valeant profile image86
          Valeantposted 5 years agoin reply to this

          You have asked an interesting question.  That whole assumption that leftists want open borders is the propaganda that you're being fed by your far-right media and those generalizations towards the entirety of the group are part of the problem.  No leftist wants open borders, or a small percentage, at best.  We're for enforcement of immigration laws.  We're even for deporting you if you're here illegally.  We would like it done humanely and with due process.

          As for Russia, establishing a friendly relationship with a country that attacked our democracy is asinine.  A country that used chemical weapons in an assassination on the soil of one of our allies (Britain) and one run by Russian gangsters is hypocritical.  The right seems pretty gong-ho about the crimes of MS13 but they're all for cozying up to Russian gangsters, even having some reside two floors down from Trump's suite in Trump Tower.  Russia is not an ally and Trump's ass-kissing and campaign relationship with their country is, and will remain, a genuine concern for leftists until the findings of the Mueller investigation are concluded.

          Renegotiating trade deals would be fine.  Slapping tariffs on allies and insulting their leaders is going overboard.  He's eroded relationships with trusted allies while praising dictators like Putin and Kim Jung Un at the same time.  It's about priorities and his seem way off.

          Actually, liberal positions really aren't that hard to defend if you actually know what they are.

          Government intrusion is an interesting way to see it.  If you're fine with businesses taking insane risks that put the market in jeopardy, then you don't want any oversight.  The two times prior that we've reduced the oversight, the economy tanked because some businesses and banks do unethical things and take dangerous risks that put the markets in peril.  If we could trust businesses, they wouldn't need oversight.  But they've proved time and again that the all-mighty dollar is more important than ethics. 

          While I think both parties agree that the size of government could come down, it's involvement in oversight is a necessary evil.  However, these budget deficits need to be addressed.  Many of us on the left actually agree with people like Rand Paul in that we need to curb government spending when the economy is thriving and would support a balanced-budget amendment.  It's time to tighten the belt and cut the fat on government spending, but that includes holding the military accountable with audits (non-public).

          As for individual policies that worry us, the environment and science are two.  One example is the gutting of clean water rules, especially after episodes in West Virginia and Michigan.  A second is the selling of national parks for profit.  A third is the allowance of offshore drilling instead of investing in renewable sources.  The denial of man-made climate change loses him tons of credibility with leftists.  If the Paris Accord was a bad deal, renegotiate it, but to deny the existence of our impact on the climate and withdraw was not the way to go.

          Yes, women's rights and LGBT rights are a definite concern for leftists.  Trump policies have hurt the LGBT community and time and again, he's sided against them.  While not openly discriminating, he's certainly set back views on equality for that group.  And most leftists think that there can be some reasonable middle ground on abortion without doing away with Roe v. Wade.

          Another thing that irks the left is the open hypocrisy and outright lying by Trump.  Regardless of party, one should be able to trust the commander-in-chief.  But none on the left do and his outright uneducated lying is a big part of that.  Then there's the hypocrisy - Obama golfed too much, America first - even though my companies make all their things overseas and hire foreign workers, and the idea that government spending is bad but he increases the budget by $80 billion this year and $300 billion next year.  The last one is more on Congress, but the hypocrisy across the GOP to allow that is telling. 

          But then there's the hypocrisy on government security.  Hillary's e-mails were a huge concern, but then he hires a guy to be second-in-command with a history of abuse who couldn't even get a security clearance and is open to blackmail.  He hires a compromised National Security Advisor in Michael Flynn, someone wide open to blackmail.  He's using an unsecured cell phone, so easy to access that a comedian can call it up and have an in-depth conversation with him.

          The wall is a dumb idea, period.  We can spend that money on better things such as infrastructure and veterans.

          And as much as policy is an issue, the man is as much at the heart of the leftist concern.  He's openly racist when it comes to criticizing the peaceful protests of the NFL players while there are some very fine people on both sides at Charlottesville.  His open disdain for the Constitution in not divesting from his business holdings is a major concern for the left.  The view that he's profiteering on the country by taking so many trips to his own properties will haunt his administration.

          His lying is a major concern.  The citizens should be able to trust the Commander-in-Chief.  But from day one when he undermined Spicer's credibility and sent him out to lie about crowd sizes just to appease his fragile ego, he was an idiot on that front.  The left will never trust him.  And lastly, his partisanship.  When the person leading the country would rather have an accused pedophile or a white supremacist in office over someone from the opposing party, we've arrived at fascism.  How the right can justify those two things alone is part of the disdain many of the left now feel for you.

          1. Credence2 profile image78
            Credence2posted 5 years agoin reply to this

            Nice sum up, well said, Valeant...

            1. Valeant profile image86
              Valeantposted 5 years agoin reply to this

              Thanks Credence.

          2. Sharlee01 profile image79
            Sharlee01posted 5 years agoin reply to this

            "We're for enforcement of immigration laws.  We're even for deporting you if you're here illegally.  We would like it done humanely and with due process."

            How do you purpose to handle someone breaking the laws entering the country with children?  Catch and release Obama's policy failed. So, Trump is trying a strong policy to make an attempt to send a message. Come to our legal border crossing if you seek asylum or be separated from your children while you await a court hearing.  A parent has the choice come in legally or don't be surprised when you are separated from your children. I would be interested in your idea on how to stop people from entering illegally?

            Russia...
            Trump has strong sanctions on Russia, he also armed Ukraine with advanced weapons. Which previous presidents would not do.  I must ask, why did Obama meet with Putin?  There is no evidence that Trump colluded with Russia as of yet. Trump is the president of the United States he would be neglecting his duty if he did not meet with Putin. All your he might have done this or might have done that... Is nothing but speculation. there is a segment of the population that is pleased to see Trump is doing his job.
            https://www.cfr.org/interview/what-expe … ma-meeting

            "Renegotiating trade deals would be fine.  Slapping tariffs on allies and insulting their leaders is going overboard.  He's eroded relationships with trusted allies while praising dictators like Putin and Kim Jung Un at the same time.  It's about priorities and his seem way off."

            Eroding relationships? That is laughable... No really.  The trade deals were lopsided from the very get-go. The Countries that have been hit with Tariffs due to NAFTA's unfair trade have taken great advantage of very lopsided trade deals. So sorry to insult them!  Wake up e have been taken advantage of, we now have a president that is making an attempt to fix the problem.  You propose we kiss but to keep friendly relationships. My god how ridiculous, It's all about how we look to you? Well got news for you, when it comes to NAFTA we have looked like fools to our allies for many years!

            I read all your other "fluff'. No wonder you lost. The Dems need to wake up and realize their ridiculous ideologies are why they lost. And I might add will lose for many years. Dem's in Washington have made fools of themselves. Foolishness does not rub off quickly. This kind of foolishness will be well remembered.

            1. Valeant profile image86
              Valeantposted 5 years agoin reply to this

              First off, it's not my job to come up with immigration solutions, it's the job of elected officials.  Now when those officials come up with solutions that violate the human rights of children and people like you support and try and condone those decisions, we're going to call you out for that idiocy.  That's not what we, as Americans, stand for.

              So let's see, Trump imposes tariffs.  Other countries impose tariffs for the same amount.  The net difference is....zero.  Yet, all the products have increased in price due to tariffs.  Who suffers?  The consumer.  Believe me, I'm awake to his idiocy.

              I understand why Hillary lost.  I have written articles critical of her as a candidate and the shadiness she brought.  The simple fact is that a certain portion of the population continues to be influenced by the propaganda (today's latest idea they are pushing that you just intimated in your response: https://www.yahoo.com/news/russian-bots … 34024.html).  And for those of us who can see past the Russia propaganda, we're done with your cult.

              1. Sharlee01 profile image79
                Sharlee01posted 5 years agoin reply to this

                "First off, it's not my job to come up with immigration solutions, it's the job of elected officials.  Now when those officials come up with solutions that violate the human rights of children and people like you support and try and condone those decisions, we're going to call you out for that idiocy.  That's not what we, as Americans, stand for."

                No, but it seems o be your job to criticize. Did you criticize the past three presidents for doing the same thing? In a past response to one of your comments, I posted several youtubes for you to check out how Obama handled the problem. They were very shocking. But you gave no response?  DID YOU CALL OUT OBAMA? I won't wait for a response, because this is where you retreat and deflect. Just so much easier than facing your illogic.

                "So let's see, Trump imposes tariffs.  Other countries impose tariffs for the same amount.  The net difference is....zero.  Yet, all the products have increased in price due to tariffs.  Who suffers?  The consumer.  Believe me, I'm awake to his idiocy."

                It is blatantly clear you know nothing about trade. So, I will choose not to say anything further on the subject. Do some real research on the incredible trade deficits that we have endured over the past 30yers.

                " The simple fact is that a certain portion of the population continues to be influenced by the propaganda (today's latest idea they are pushing that you just intimated in your response"

                Realy, you have that backward, you parrot CNN on pretty much a word by word bases. I follow facts, not innuendos from a failing network. If my responses intimate anything they intimate facts. It's you that doesn't seem to be able to face facts?  Nothing you post is factual, and when I point it out you deflect to another subject you can't suitably defend.

                "And for those of us who can see past the Russia propaganda, we're done with your cult."

                I must ask. Just what propaganda are you talking about? Please list a bit of Russian propaganda.  Is Russia responsible for president Trump's accomplishments? Is Putin making our economy so wonderful or was that Trump? I have added a link where you can do some research on Trump's first 500 days. You will be amazed at all his accomplishments. All facts, no propaganda... You might want to read a few at a time. It may be very shocking to your system to really realize you have been ill-informed by CNN to what Trump has been up to.  You see it's you that has been fed propaganda, it's you that is a member of a cult. A member of a sad minority that likes to be led by the nose, instead of seeking out facts.

                https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/wash … -greatness

                1. JAKE Earthshine profile image67
                  JAKE Earthshineposted 5 years agoin reply to this

                  Stop with the dreadfully boring false comparisons Sharlee01: The past 3 administrations did NOT do the same thing as Mr. Trump's crimes against humanity and a judge has ordered his illegal actions to be rectified by re-uniting abused children with their families:

                  1. dianetrotter profile image62
                    dianetrotterposted 5 years agoin reply to this

                    Why are those "separations" not referred to as kidnapping?  That's what they really are.

                  2. Sharlee01 profile image79
                    Sharlee01posted 5 years agoin reply to this

                    Jake, I have realized you need to go over and over information for it to stick. I know Obama hs no solution - To anything... But he ran some very horrendous detention camps. Talk about Hitler... Jake, have a hankie handy, these videos are very sad... They shocked me to the core. How could a president let these atrocities happen? No Trump's centers. they are pretty great, these immigrants most likely never lived so well. False comparisons, no facts.

                    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Lrdyq290QQ
                    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4QywJBIKsxU&t=36s
                    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D1r9SliaNCA
                    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Ph9-x39ytg

                2. Valeant profile image86
                  Valeantposted 5 years agoin reply to this

                  Well, there's a blatant fabrication.  The past three presidents did not make a policy of separating children from their parents as a deterrent for legal immigration and to discourage asylum seekers.  I checked out your videos and did comment on the fact that there was a major surge in children coming to the United States due to violence in Central America.  But you seem to forget things very easily.

                  Of course you can't talk about trade.  There's no rebuttal to simple math that other countries are just going to raise tariffs by the same amount the US does.

                  I'm not even going to argue sources with you.  That's a lost cause but saying I follow CNN is about as off as you can be.

                  I love how you read an article from the Washington Examiner and parrot it as fact.  Let's look at a few points on the list: 
                  Point #1:  'Since taking office, President Trump has strengthened American leadership, security, prosperity, and accountability.'
                  That's not a fact, it's an opinion.
                  Point #3:  'President Trump has re-asserted American leadership on the world stage, secured vital investments in our military, and stood up against threats to our national security.'
                  Again, not a fact.

                  Later:  'President Trump has called on Congress to provide the resources needed to secure our borders and close loopholes that prevent immigration laws from being fully enforced.'
                  Wow, that's really some accomplishment.

                  Again, do you even read the crap you post in links?

          3. blueheron profile image92
            blueheronposted 5 years agoin reply to this

            Valeant, based on what you say, I'm not seeing huge differences on matters of practical policy.

            You say, "No leftist wants open borders, or a small percentage, at best.  We're for enforcement of immigration laws.  We're even for deporting you if you're here illegally.  We would like it done humanely and with due process." Sounds like we're on the same page, with the possible exception of procedural issues. Now I'd say the correct procedure is not to allow anyone to enter the country illegally to begin with, which would make humanely housing and providing for illegal immigrants, with or without their children, and the thousands of unaccompanied children a moot point. They should be turned back at the border and directed to the consulates to make application to enter the country legally. Seems pretty normal to me--and is what anyone seeking to immigrate to another country would be required to do in most countries in the world.

            You say, "As for Russia, establishing a friendly relationship with a country that attacked our democracy is asinine.  A country that used chemical weapons in an assassination on the soil of one of our allies (Britain) and one run by Russian gangsters is hypocritical."

            The notion that Russian "attacked our democracy" is without substance, some of it, like the "Trump dossier" fabricated out of whole cloth. The rest of it has to do with some rinky-dink troll farm of people posting on Facebook--Mueller's sole indictment relative to the "election interference" meme, which we now observe that Mueller is afraid/embarrassed to take to court--doubtless because he has not evidence.

            The supposed poisoning of the Skripals with novichok by Russia is pretty much a bunch of nonsense. If you'll google this, you'll see many headlines stating, "Labs cannot tell if novichok was produced in Russia." The nerve agent could have been produced by anyone, anywhere; Russia had zero motivation to poison the Skripals; there are a number of other people who possibly DID have a motivation to poison the Skripals. You have to realize that the British are not too keen of US rapprochement with Russia, so it's entirely possible that the poisonings were the actions of British intelligence. (These games are a lot deeper than you seem to think.) As Sharlee noted, the claim that "Russia did it" is pure speculation. You can speculate anything, and I can come up with speculations that make a lot more sense.

            You say, "Slapping tariffs on allies and insulting their leaders is going overboard." Other countries have long imposed very high tariffs on US exports, to the great disadvantage of the US. We (or, rather, Trump) are saying that we will no longer accept this. I am assuming you understand that when a country places very high tariffs on US products, they are in effect shutting the US out of their markets: For example, we buy cars from them, but we are not allowed to sell cars to them. If we want a strong economy, we can't allow our trading partners to sell to us, while closing their markets to us. This is kind of a no-brainer.

            "As for individual policies that worry us, the environment and science are two.  One example is the gutting of clean water rules...."

            The "clean water rules" your referring to are related to massive EPA overreach in redefining  "navigable waters": "Navigable waters can mean nearly every puddle or every ditch on a farmer’s land, or any place else that they decide.”

            As Tom Pyle, head of the conservative Institute for Energy Research, stated, "The rule was never about protecting water. It was designed to expand the federal government's reach into management decisions on state and private lands,” he said. “Far from attacking clean water, today's decision begins the process of returning power to states, local communities and property owners.” I think you are perhaps an innocent victim of the belief that the EPA has some kind of interest in protecting the environment. Please get your head out of your ass and realize that just because something is named "The Environmental Protection Agency" this does not mean that this is its actual mission. Please get your bullshit detector calibrated so it works, and learn to recognize hype when you see it.

            You say, "And as much as policy is an issue, the man is as much at the heart of the leftist concern."

            These objections are frivolous. How Trump feels about the NFL players "taking a knee" is a matter of little or no importance and doesn't necessarily indicate racism, especially considering that no one could ever figure out what they were "taking a knee" about. Who even thinks about these doofuses?

            As far as I know, there is no constitutional requirement for a president to divest himself of his business interests, and it seems to me that such an expectation is without precedent. Did the Bushes divest themselves of their business interests when they became president? Did anyone, ever? Never heard of such a thing.

            Other frivolous comments: "taking so many trips to his own properties." Meh. "Lying." You can accuse anyone of lying. You can accuse anyone of being a pedophile or white supremacist, without being able to show that these accusations have substance. This amounts to mere name-calling and is puerile.

            1. Valeant profile image86
              Valeantposted 5 years agoin reply to this

              Where to begin...how about from the end.

              Are you seriously denying that the GOP has a slew of white supremacist candidates running for office and that Trump has lent support to at least one?  Here's a link:  https://www.thedailybeast.com/trump-end … -candidate

              Holy uneducated post about divestment.  Ever hear of Jimmy Carter?  Try some research before posting.  And the constitution has a clause in it to prevent government employees from using their positions to profit.  The Title of Nobility Clause is a provision in Article I, Section 9, Clause 8 of the United States Constitution, that prohibits the federal government from granting titles of nobility, and restricts members of the government from receiving gifts, emoluments, offices or titles from foreign states without the consent of Congress.

              Holy goddamned uneducated post number two.  Who thinks about the players?  Well, Trump certainly devotes a ton of time to the topic.  And only the uneducated haven't heard that they were protesting police brutality and racial inequality.

              Denying that Russia orchestrated the attack on Britain soil is about as genuine as Trump denying Russia meddled in the last election.  And funneling the Trump campaign the hacked e-mails from the DNC seems like another case of meddling to me.

              As is the case with Wall Street, if we could trust states to do the right thing, we wouldn't need EPA government oversight in regards to water.  Maybe you don't need water to live, but many of us find it somewhat important and want the highest regulation possible when it comes to it.  Ask the people in Flint or West Virginia if they think the EPA is a bad thing.  They were the ones who protected the people, not their local governments.

              1. wilderness profile image93
                wildernessposted 5 years agoin reply to this

                "...many of us find it somewhat important and want the highest regulation possible when it comes to it.  "

                Doubtful.  The "highest regulation possible" would be something along the lines than any water entering a building with people in it at any time be distilled within 24 hours of entering that building and be nothing but pure H2O.

                Instead we allow almost any chemical to be in drinking water, as long as we don't think it will cause harm in the concentrations present.  And there is always controversy as some strange sounding thing (dihydrogen monoxide?) is found to be in the water at any concentration.

                1. Valeant profile image86
                  Valeantposted 5 years agoin reply to this

                  One of the reasons I won't drink tap water straight from the tap.

          4. blueheron profile image92
            blueheronposted 5 years agoin reply to this

            Trump's just a guy. Like many other guys, he's a bit of a butterball with a comb-over. You were expecting God? Or Zeus? Like many other guys (including both of my ex husbands), he has some questionable associates. As is very common among guys, his manner of expressing himself is sometimes inelegant. (As one of my old-lady friends says of her husband, "English is his second language. We haven't figured out what his first language is.")

            On the other hand, Trump has vast, lifelong experience in dealing with political, corporate, and gangland jackals--bearing in mind that the line between these is blurry--in several countries. You so often present such simplistic views of business and political matters, that I have the impression you have literally no idea how this game is played. When people speak disparagingly of "conspiracy theorists," I assume they are saying that they don't believe people actually ever conspire, or engage in slander, duplicity, back-stabbing, and double-crossing, string-pulling, gaslighting, bribery, faking documents, extortion, etc.--whereas, anyone with a little experience in the real world could tell you that they do very little else. And that's just office politics. Imagine if the stakes were higher.

            So, basically, I'm saying that in many ways Trump is the ideal guy for the job. He's a lifelong veteran of this type of thing. I don't know if he's for real or not in his intention to pull the US out of its tailspin, because there's no way for me to know that. But at least he has the necessary qualifications (short of being God), and is not just a silly twat like he-who-shall-remain-nameless.

            1. Ewent profile image68
              Ewentposted 5 years agoin reply to this

              Your post only proves how little you really know about Trump. Let me be the first to enlighten as to WHY Trump is NOT legitimate or ideal for the job:
              1. He tried to cheat the City of NY by keeping 2 sets of books so he didn't have to HONOR an agreement with the City that gave him $2 million to restore the old Commodore Hotel in exchange for 2% of the annual profits.
              2. He received a $25 million money laundering fine which is a matter of legal, documented government record in 2014 after receiving 3 warnings to cease and desist.
              3. In order to afford to pay that fine, he filed 6 corporate bankruptcies now being paid by NJ taxpayers.
              4. In order to cough up the money for the money laundering fine, He cheated 4400 NJ employees out of back wages and refused to pay contractors he owed money to
              5. He only makes use of the Bedminster NJ golf course he claims, like Mar-a-Lago, is a "residence" in order to keep it tax exempt from business taxes

              Shall I go on?

              6. He cheated on the 501(C)3 tax exemption form he signed by claiming in the southern district of NY that he was donating $2 million to charity. He didn't donate a single dime and used the money to put into his re-election campaign, a clear violation of FEC regulations.
              7. He signed an Executive Order demanding his AG, Sessions, separate children of immigrants from their parents.
              8. Trump uses Keith Schiller, a tough guy Mafia style boss to intimidate anyone who opposes Trump.
              9. Trump reached into his pocket in view of several major foreign leaders who met for the G7 and slapped Starburst candy in front of Chancellor Angela Merkel saying in typical bullying, unprofessional terms, "Here! Don't say I never gave you anything.
              10. He is a world class grifter who racks up huge debt and then makes everyone else pay them.

              Spare me the rah rah Trump. All Trump has is Putin. He is not president. He got to the WH illegitimately like he cheats to do everything else in his life.

              1. blueheron profile image92
                blueheronposted 5 years agoin reply to this

                I would need to see some links to document your statements. I would have to examine these charges to get a clearer idea what was really going on in each case. Number 6 should be supported by court documents.

                You have to realize that business dealings, especially vis-a-vis government entities (who are often working hand-in-glove with gangland figures), are a battle of sharks and snakes--the more so, the higher up you go.

                This shit is a very ruthless, stop-at-nothing game, where your competitors (and supposed allies) are prepared at all times to break your kneecaps.

                Playing such a game--especially successfully--will make you vulnerable to claims that you may have been fighting dirty. Everyone involved is fighting dirty, so you may need to embed some razor blades in the soles of your shoes, in preparation for the kicking part of the battle.

                I think most of us are repelled by the realities of combat. Cutting throats does not appeal to us.

                Involvement in politics means you will be thrown into the ring with throat-cutters. Trump's background seems to indicate that this is not his first rodeo. If he actually intends to try to "right the ship of state" as claimed, he is probably the ideal guy for the job.

              2. blueheron profile image92
                blueheronposted 5 years agoin reply to this

                I guess my point is that accusations of "fighting dirty" are--perhaps--frivolous, when speaking of a veteran bloody battles. Now, there are lines I wouldn't like to see crossed, but I'd have to know all the details to know whether they were crossed.

                Your number 7, "He signed an Executive Order demanding his AG, Sessions, separate children of immigrants from their parents," is an example of failure to consider the circumstances. You do realize that there is a strong possibility that many of these children may be victims of child sex-trafficking (or other types of human trafficking, such as for organ harvesting) by cartels? That the people claiming to be their parents may not really be their parents?

                The world is not what you think it is, and things are often not what they seem.

                I guess I'm saying you seem to have led a very sheltered life, with little contact with truly evil people and organizations and hence cannot imagine what they are capable of, and thus ill equipped to play chess with them. They could steal the kiddies off the playground, claiming to be CPS, and you'd take them at their word--and fail to take action to protect said kiddies, preferring instead to "virtue signal."

                Somebody around here has to do some thinking.

                1. Sharlee01 profile image79
                  Sharlee01posted 5 years agoin reply to this

                  don't waste your time on this one. It's very apparent she fell off the ledge long ago... Scary is he not?

                  1. JAKE Earthshine profile image67
                    JAKE Earthshineposted 5 years agoin reply to this

                    Everyone knows Ewent speaks the truth and that's what frightens the bejesus out of you and blueheron:

                    1. Sharlee01 profile image79
                      Sharlee01posted 5 years agoin reply to this

                      What frightens me is just how messed up your logic is...

                    2. Dean Traylor profile image93
                      Dean Traylorposted 5 years agoin reply to this

                      Jake, you're wasting your time. These two are in total denial. It doesn't matter if you emerge from the mountain with the word of God etched in Clay tablets that state:  "thall shalt not trust  Trump for he lies liketh  a s.o.b., and shalt not  be believed and followed." They'll perform mental gymnastics to claim it's not really about him and that it's just a personality flaw (BTW, the latter seems to be a new talking point by trumpies , lately. I guess the equate greatness with bad personality).

                      1. Valeant profile image86
                        Valeantposted 5 years agoin reply to this

                        I've begun a hub called, 'If He Asked, They'd Drink the Kool-Aid'

                      2. JAKE Earthshine profile image67
                        JAKE Earthshineposted 5 years agoin reply to this

                        Yeah I know Dean, I was just trying to perform a non-invasive distant de-programming on those individuals who still seem to believe Donald Trump has their best interest in mind: Maybe a parent, child or loved one could intervene before they really do get sucked into 'drinking the kool-aid' because once Donny Boy is indicted and or impeached which must be coming soon if we still have laws, he's gonna' try to take as many poor gullible suckers as possible down with him:

                    3. blueheron profile image92
                      blueheronposted 5 years agoin reply to this

                      If "Ewent speaks the truth" the onus is on her to provide some documentation. This has always been a problem of hers. My impression is that she pulls this stuff out of her ass.

                      1. Valeant profile image86
                        Valeantposted 5 years agoin reply to this

                        Too lazy to look into the truth.  One main feature of the Trump cult.

                  2. blueheron profile image92
                    blueheronposted 5 years agoin reply to this

                    What I notice more and more about anti-Trump arguments is that virtually ALL of them are exercises in deflection. They are "he-said/she-said" stuff. It would take hours of research to evaluate even one of these charges--which are mostly irrelevant to begin with. Often they show a profound ignorance of both business and law.

                    Earlier today, a friend of mine told me that Trump should have been forced to show his tax returns, because when he filed various corporate bankruptcies, "He had the money to pay everyone what was owed."

                    HELLO! What on God's green earth does she think incorporation is for? When you open a fried-chicken restaurant in your town and borrow $500,000 for equipment and other start-up costs (perhaps including purchasing the building), you incorporate. The reason you do this is because, in the event that the business should fail, creditors will be unable to take your private assets: your home, your savings, and your retirement to satisfy the debt.  Creditors could recover only the value of the corporate assets.

                    Likewise, if you owned two or more corporations and one of them went bankrupt, creditors could not liquidate any of the other corporations to satisfy the debt. For example, if, in addition to your restaurant, you also owned a farm that was incorporated, your creditors could not take your farmland and farm machinery to satisfy the debt on the bankrupt restaurant.

                    My friend's heart was especially bleeding for stiffed contractors. Hello again! The contractors are also corporations. They were aware, or should have been aware of the risks. These were risks they voluntarily assumed.

                    Now, if I'm not mistaken, when a company files for bankruptcy, there are laws specifying who is first in line to get paid. I think normally it is the shareholders. Contractors are also well aware that, in the event of bankruptcy, they are not exactly at the front of the line. Hence, it would behoove them to take some precautions, such as getting all or part of their money up front. These contractors are corporate entities. They are not your buddy Ron who lives down the street and is an itinerant ukelele-stringer, in between house-painting jobs. There is a reasonable expectation that they know the law and the risks and are well able to look out for themselves and EXPECTED BY LAW to look out for themselves.

                    This is the sort of ignorance that allows liberals to swallow these stories hook, line, and sinker. They simply don't know anything about anything.

                  3. blueheron profile image92
                    blueheronposted 5 years agoin reply to this

                    The actual point I was coming to is that it would make a lot more sense to focus on the actual ISSUES at hand. The "he-said/she-said" stuff is deflection.

                    How do you feel about Trump's position on illegal immigration--and legal immigration?

                    What is your problem with rapprochement with Russia?

                    Would it maybe be a good idea for the NATO nations to pay for their own defense, rather than the US paying for it?

                    Would you like to see tariffs or not?

                    Are you deeply saddened that Trump took a figurative poke at Merkel? (I am amused.)

                    Why or why not?

                  4. blueheron profile image92
                    blueheronposted 5 years agoin reply to this

                    When I was having the discussion with my liberal friend earlier today, I was surprised to find that her views on immigration were identical to my own.

                    I mentioned that the whole fiasco we are witnessing could have been avoided by simply not allowing any of these immigrants to enter the country at all, but instead directing them to the (I believe it's eight) consulates along the border, to make application to enter the country legally.

                    My friend was in complete agreement. She said she thought that the reason the immigrants were NOT turned away at the border and directed to the consulates was because Trump somehow or other hoped to gain some kind of political capital from the resulting debacle. (I'm not following her reasoning on that one.)

                    I would be curious to know why these immigrants were not turned away at the border. Is there some law preventing the government from turning them back? If not, it kind of seems to me that SOMEONE merely wanted to create some completely unnecessary drama. Or maybe the immigration authorities were eager for some overtime pay, or some construction contractor wanted a fat, juicy contract to build more housing. Or maybe the whole scenario was cooked up to get everyone in an uproar.

        2. JAKE Earthshine profile image67
          JAKE Earthshineposted 5 years agoin reply to this

          Here's a few reasons why the overwhelming majority of Americans hate Mr. Trump: He cages innocent children, adores nazis and white nationalists, sabotages our healthcare system, my insurance premiums just increased by $120 per month due to his insane undermining of the ACA, his intentional destruction of our NATO allies while coddling and worshiping his idol Vladimir Putin, his constant treachery and treason, his insanely reckless trade wars with our former allies Canada and Mexico etc which are destroying American jobs and our once great economy,  his cult members are especially in dire straights but of course they don't care, his misogyny, constant degradation of our CIA, FBI, War Heroes and law enforcement, not bad from a 5 time cowardly draft dodger, his blatant crimes and of course his retardation and inteptitude:

          Who ever doesn't hate this 72 year old Russian Stooge who is using our government to enrich himself and his crooked elite Wall Street pals while weakening our country to the core, you'd better get checked out ASAP:

          All indications reveal Michael Cohen has 'flipped' away from evil Mr. Trump over to the good side and Donald is 'flipping out' because he understands what's coming:


          https://hubstatic.com/14113713.jpg

          1. Credence2 profile image78
            Credence2posted 5 years agoin reply to this

            Jake, I have to admit that he is a lot dumpier than I thought.
            So, that is what the overcoat thing is really about? I would try to hide that too. Well said, thanks

            1. JAKE Earthshine profile image67
              JAKE Earthshineposted 5 years agoin reply to this

              Yeah Credence2, although he never looks clean, tidy and normal even when wearing a cheap suit made in China, it's amazing what a man girdle, overcoats, orange paint and propecia can cover:

              His bone spurs he used his for cowardly draft dodging, which there is zero proof that he suffers from by the way, must really bother him when he golfs don't you think? Especially when your doctor says you're obese and carrying around all those extra pounds: Too bad for him those layers of extra fat around his gut and unsightly kaboose never made it to his hands or other more desirable body parts:

              From film footage evidence, he can't even get Melanie to hold his tiny little hand: Pathetic:

      12. JAKE Earthshine profile image67
        JAKE Earthshineposted 5 years ago

        Just curious blueheron: What do you hope to accomplish by making blatantly false statements like the one you've just made?:

        1. blueheron profile image92
          blueheronposted 5 years agoin reply to this

          As usual, no one even knows what you're talking about.

          1. JAKE Earthshine profile image67
            JAKE Earthshineposted 5 years agoin reply to this

            I just hope you haven't become too attached to the orange racist traitor polluting our oval office: Pence is gone too thank God:

            So, has anyone seen film footage of Bozo Trump congratulating our brave law enforcement officers for indicting 12 more Russian enemies who have committed espionage against the USA and were responsible for embedding Vladimir Putin's Poodle?  I didn't think so:

            "Russians tried to hack Clinton emails same day Trump publicly asked them to, says Russia probe indictment"

            https://www.independent.co.uk/news/worl … 46626.html

      13. profile image0
        ahorsebackposted 5 years ago

        So who here from the left will address  this "Intellectual Integrity ", especially  that which includes unbiased intellectual discussion ?

        Is bias a part of your intellectual integrity ?

        1. Valeant profile image86
          Valeantposted 5 years agoin reply to this

          The guy who insults the left in every post wants to have a discussion on biased-free discussion?  Now that's some funny stuff right there.

          1. profile image0
            ahorsebackposted 5 years agoin reply to this

            I asked about bias not truth .

      14. JAKE Earthshine profile image67
        JAKE Earthshineposted 5 years ago

        After losing sponsors by the droves a few months ago and we presume tossed of air for a week for her lame disgraceful remarks on fox loser channel, Laura Ingraham apparently has no control over her hateful impulses: Once again, it looks like she's in tremendous trouble with her latest retarded racist remarks:

        Will sponsors choose to remain on board with her anti-American hate??

        Apparently, she's not to enamored with hosting a national television show, as comical and full of falsehoods is it is:


        "In some parts of the country, it does seem like the America that we know and love doesn't exist anymore," she complained.

        "Massive demographic changes have been foisted upon the American people, and they are changes that none of us ever voted for, and most of us don't like. From Virginia to California, we see stark examples of how radically, in some ways, the country has changed."

        In case it was unclear, she explicitly said it: "Now, much of this is related to both illegal, and in some cases legal immigration that, of course, progressives love."

        https://www.cnn.com/2018/08/09/opinions … index.html

       
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