What are the Great Things President Joe Biden Has Done While President

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  1. Valeant profile image86
    Valeantposted 2 years ago

    Biden working on those supply chain issues caused during the pandemic.

    https://www.yahoo.com/finance/m/27674db … -ease.html

    1. My Esoteric profile image85
      My Esotericposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      There are definitely things he can do to help improve the situation but the ultimate solution is with those who got us in this situation to begin with - basically from greed.

      Decades ago, because of the efficient worldwide supply chains, business's, writ large, decided to forgo inventories for profit.  In doing so they played Russian roulette with the economy betting that "just-in-time" supply chain management will never be disrupted.  Well, with the pandemic, the bullet was finally chambered and fired.

      The reverberations for shooting ourselves in the economic head will be long and painful.

    2. Fayetteville Faye profile image61
      Fayetteville Fayeposted 2 years agoin reply to this

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      1. wilderness profile image94
        wildernessposted 2 years agoin reply to this

        Very well said - that is exactly what is happening in America today.

      2. Sharlee01 profile image89
        Sharlee01posted 2 years agoin reply to this

        So well said...

  2. emge profile image79
    emgeposted 2 years ago

    Biden, better beware, as the latest polls which is coming from America show that more and more Americans are feeling that Trump is going to be back and I am also sure about it also. Biden can start looking at the hourglass.

    1. Valeant profile image86
      Valeantposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Biden was always a one-term option.  He was the moderate, white guy that could pull some votes from the right and that's exactly what he did.

    2. Sharlee01 profile image89
      Sharlee01posted 2 years agoin reply to this

      In my view, Biden is certainly a president that failed quickly in his first year. And will be ready to retire  He is bringing the entire party down with him. However, I don't think it is him making these disastrous decisions. Hopefully, when he leax=ves the office he will write a book, and tell all...

  3. Valeant profile image86
    Valeantposted 2 years ago

    Why no one takes you up on it is because your doom and gloom predictions completely ignore history where Democratic policies stabilized the country and then led to economic growth, most of the time while reducing deficits.  It's a waste to engage your fearmongering, for that is all it is.

    In other fortunate and pretty news, jobless claims down to pandemic lows:  https://www.yahoo.com/news/us-jobless-c … 20277.html

    1. Sharlee01 profile image89
      Sharlee01posted 2 years agoin reply to this

      It is an amitted gloom and doom attitude, it is my true opinion. I also will say, and again a view, this is not the Democratic Party of the past, not even close.

      And the threads I offered were simply current events. Current events that did not draw interest here at HP's forum.  The reality is the subject was not Trump., which drew no interest from the few that still post here. As GA said "forums have gone from dozens of participating voices to less than a dozen regulars"

      You certainly fearmongered when it suits you. to get your opinion across. Why would you expect me to do differently when expressing my views?

      I certainly intend to post current events, I don't care if they are not palatable to some.  I have no problem with crickets, if my subjects are unsuitable I am very sure HP will remove them.

      And you know what, those that complain about what we are discussing should voice their opinion or better yet post a few threads to their liking.

  4. Valeant profile image86
    Valeantposted 2 years ago

    Trump is still current because many of the problems you blame Biden for started under Trump, so we have to keep bringing you back to the fact that Biden gets tasked with solving them while you falsely claim he started them. 

    If you find us discussing the root causes of many of the issues you then complain about to be bashing, that's on you.  I doubt we'd bother bashing as much if you didn't always post threads that immediately went on with such blatantly partisan and often misguided attacks.  Most of the time it's Biden did this, Biden did that.  Often, it's not an issue you discuss but your disdain for Biden on display, which gets met equally with how much others have for Trump.  Just look at the majority of your thread titles - they have either Biden or Harris in the title.  Your endless blame game is like watching someone beating a dead horse.

    1. Sharlee01 profile image89
      Sharlee01posted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Take up the bashing bit with GA -- I don't agree  Trump left that Biden problems. I find that ridiculous.  Biden is president now, he created each and every problem we are facing at this point.  Trump left him three vaccines too bad he could not come up with a plan to get them out quicker and instill trust in Americans instead of doubt.

      Biden has created all his own problems and does it daily. Now he has the shipping mess. As I said about a week ago what's next. I guess I got my answer.

      Yes, most of my threads contain the name Biden he is the current president,  he is creating problems daily. I certainly have not posted a thread that is not current, and truthful. 

      You don't like my post, pass them by. I certainly pick and choose what and who I respond to.  And you certainly are not going to stop me from posting what I choose. Thus far HP has not removed any of my threads.

      So, if my threads offend you, pass them by...   Or report them if you feel they are not appropriate.  I have no intent to walk on eggshells when it comes to Biden.

      Not sure how you get off accusing anyone of beating a dead horse.  A bit funny I would say.

      1. Valeant profile image86
        Valeantposted 2 years agoin reply to this

        Thank you proving my point and your constant blaming. 

        Supply chains got damaged right from the start of the pandemic.  Now, Biden is trying to fix what was broken under Trump's term.  Trump literally hid the fact that he got vaccinated for months from his supporters, leaving Fox News to run their anti-vax propaganda to cast doubt about the simple path forward to moving past the pandemic.  The far-right is great about casting doubt about normal things like, you know, elections, vaccines, Trump crimes.  That you blame Biden for the far-right having doubts is definitely comical.

        I pass by many of your ridiculous threads, even when you come into other threads like this one and try to beg people to go post in them so you can have your far-right regurgitation validated.

        1. Sharlee01 profile image89
          Sharlee01posted 2 years agoin reply to this

          LOL --- All I can say is I hope he fixes whatever you're talking about quickly. He has a sh-t load of problems piling up.  You know it looks like the pandemic is on its way out. Thanks to vaccines. Wonder what he will have to talk about?  Maybe Trump...

          I will walk away from this conversation ---- getting really repetitive, like head-spinning repetitive.

          1. peoplepower73 profile image88
            peoplepower73posted 2 years agoin reply to this

            Sharlee:  You say you are being truthful with your comments about Biden.  Let me remind you used this term in your comments "Biden is a failed president."  How is that truthful when it is in the past tense?  You are so wound up on making Biden look bad to satisfy your cognitive dissonance you don't even realize what your comments say. Even if it is your opinion it is wrong.

            By the way I like the way you side stepped my comment about Trump's excellent problem solving skills with the wall and also the two cameras that are trained on the bridge in Del Rio Texas. All you said is they will be back and LOL.  How is that truthful when it is nothing more than your biased opinion.  You don't realize that self aggrandizing your truthfulness is not always the truth, especially when you have been proven wrong many times.

            1. Sharlee01 profile image89
              Sharlee01posted 2 years agoin reply to this

              "Sharlee:  You say you are being truthful with your comments about Biden.  Let me remind you used this term in your comments "Biden is a failed president."

              In my view, he has failed, failed quickly, and made his own problems. I will stick by my view... We have new problems daily. the newest the shipping problems at our coasts. This was built from early spring, ignored, and now we have a big problem. How in the hell you can't see this man is not presidential material is beyond me. However, you have your view, I have mine. 

              Your opinion is wrong...  My opinion is supported by facts. You don't dispute the truth of my comments, you just dispute my opinions. and that I came to my opinion from the facts.

              It's clear my comments bother you. I can defend my facts, but you don't go there...   You can't move beyond that we all have a right to our own opinion. It is clear we have no respect for one another's opinions. I certainly need not defend my opinion if I choose not to. 

              Not sure if you have noted, I don't ask anyone here to account or defend their individual views. Because I have no right to come out assuming that I have that right.   

              I did address your Mexico wall inquiry --- 
              https://hubpages.com/politics/forum/352 … ost4206580

              We all know what Trump said about Mexico paying for the wall. We also know many that campaign for president promises the moon...  I need not give examples.  I do feel that the wall was a good idea, and border patrol agents have claimed the wall was working well in the areas it was built.

              Not sure if you realize contractors were paid to build the wall, and any outstanding contracts will be paid in full. Yet Biden ordered building that all was paid for, be stopped... And this is what it cost to stop construction. This is once again an example of in my opinion very poor problem-solving.

              Biden Spending $3 Million Per Day to Not Build Border Wall
              Report finds as much as $3 Billion wasted since the inauguration
              https://cis.org/Law/Biden-Spending-3-Mi … order-Wall

              Hey, you brought up the wall---   This morning they announced record numbers of drugs are getting across the border due to Biden border policies.  Every day a new horrendous problem, that could have been averted with better decision making.   The wall is needed now more than ever.
              https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/fentany … d=77744071
              https://www.sandiegouniontribune.com/ne … -at-border

              I could not find a comment that you mentioned cameras at  Del Rio bridge? Not sure what that referred to. Offer a permalink to that comment.

              1. peoplepower73 profile image88
                peoplepower73posted 2 years agoin reply to this

                Sharlee:  I'm sure you have noticed that I always try to  backup my comments with the source where I got the information, usually with a link to the source. You are entitled to your opinion and your views.  But by the same token, I'm entitled to dispute those views. 

                As I said before, Trump is still putting himself front and center by perpetuating his big lie and his circus like rallies.  Now he and his cohorts are trying to go above the law by ignoring the subpoenas for Jan. 6. and claiming executive privilege

                Last time I looked, Bannon was in contempt of congress and may go to jail. I don't call that out of the news. As far as using past tense goes, Trump failed his re-election and that is the truth.

                You say I jumped into your thread and changed the subject.  I wouldn't have to do that if you would have commented on the wall and Del Rio when I presented it.. but nice try anyway. I'm on vacation and been away from my computer for a few days.  That's why it looked like a just jumped in.  Sorry about that.

                1. Sharlee01 profile image89
                  Sharlee01posted 2 years agoin reply to this

                  I never disputed or belittled your view.  Did I say you did not use sources?  Yes, as an open forum you are free to dispute my views. I don't find much being reported about Trump at all. I truly feel Trump is pretty much shut out, not provided a forum frequently. He has a right to do rallies.  I assume our legal system will handle the subpoena problem.  If the court demands that Trump respect a subpoena I would think he will respect it.
                  He can't claim executive privilege. The only way he could receive executive privilege would be from Biden. That is the law. I don't follow Bannon, I will leave him also up to the courts.

                  Please offer me the link to your inquiry about Del Rio, it is possible I missed it.   Or just repeat your question about Del Rio.

                  1. peoplepower73 profile image88
                    peoplepower73posted 2 years agoin reply to this

                    Shralee:  Here it is enjoy the views.  The cameras are live 24/7

                    https://www.cityofdelrio.com/government … nal-bridge

                  2. My Esoteric profile image85
                    My Esotericposted 2 years agoin reply to this

                    "I truly feel Trump is pretty much shut out, not provided a forum frequently." - Really?  I guess you don't watch Fake Fox Opinion much after all.  He is on it very frequently.  CNN, ABC, NBC, CBS, MSNBC talk about Trump and his antics all of the time.  Many people wish they wouldn't and maybe he would go away.  But they can't.  He is an existential threat to America and his every move must be brought to the light of day.

              2. My Esoteric profile image85
                My Esotericposted 2 years agoin reply to this

                "border patrol agents have claimed the wall was working well in the areas it was built." - May I asking which part of the 80 miles of new wall they are talking about? Or are you talking about the old wall which you and Trump claim leaked like a sieve?

                "This morning they announced record numbers of drugs are getting across the border due to Biden border policies.  " - It is funny you say that since Biden's border policies are Trump's border policies.  Are you telling me you think Trump's border policies are a failure?

                1. My Esoteric profile image85
                  My Esotericposted 2 years agoin reply to this

                  Your silence speaks volumes.

  5. Kathleen Cochran profile image76
    Kathleen Cochranposted 2 years ago

    The 50 senators obstructing everything represent only 43.5% of voters. The legislation presented so far in President Biden's term is supported by a majority of Americans. The problem is not the President's. It's the Republicans. (Source: Intelligencer Feb. 2021)

    1. Ken Burgess profile image76
      Ken Burgessposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      I think if they wanted to get the Budget & Bills passed, they would be able to do so.

      So it comes down to them not wanting to do so.

      They HAD the Infrastructure Bill passed:
      https://www.cbsnews.com/news/senate-pas … ture-bill/

      https://www.nytimes.com/2021/08/10/us/p … asses.html

      It is in the DEMOCRATS control now... whether this passes, or gets derailed, is on them.

      https://www.newsweek.com/infrastructure … es-1639738

      So if you are looking to blame why this has not been passed yet, blame the House Democrats for their infighting and greed.

      Lets consider what Biden and the Democrats have already done:

      1) Shutting down America's Oil and Natural Gas production,  halting energy development on federal land, shutting down the 80 million-acre oil lease sale putting the Louisiana oil and gas industry near to bankruptcy,  shutting down oil and energy development in ANWAR which would increase use of the Alaska pipeline, etc.

      Our inability to supply our own Oil needs, our lack of self sufficiency, has led not only to higher gas prices, but those costs get transferred to all other goods and services as well.

      https://finance.yahoo.com/news/pain-pum … 27931.html

      Gas has risen to over $7 a gallon in some parts of the country.

      2) Biden now forces his own citizens to be vaccinated or be fired.

      Biden's Border policy allows all to cross regardless of their vaccination status.

      We are firing Nurses, Police, Public and Federal Government employees for not being vaccinated, while allowing hundreds of thousands a month to enter our country without being vaccinated.  Just brilliant.

      Biden refuses to mandate vaccines for the 59 million Americans who receive welfare benefits. Put another way, Biden is mandating that the Americans who supply most of the tax revenue to pay for America's welfare system be vaccinated or lose employment. But the beneficiaries of the welfare state are exempt.

      3) All the talk for the last 5 years of how Russia is so bad, so dangerous, and within 6 months of getting in Office, Biden allows Russia's pipeline to be opened and rescinds our Sanctions. 

      Biden also handed over Afghanistan to the Taliban and China, while not easing all trade restrictions with China that Trump had set up, he is facing mounting (soon to be substantial) pressure from those pulling his strings to abolish all restrictions, expect to see this shift in the near future:

      https://www.politico.com/news/2021/08/1 … ade-504889

      So lets keep it real, the Republicans have very little control over anything right now, if you feel something is not being done, then blame the Democrats, right now they are the ones with all the power and control.

      1. peoplepower73 profile image88
        peoplepower73posted 2 years agoin reply to this
        1. Ken Burgess profile image76
          Ken Burgessposted 2 years agoin reply to this

          There is always conflicting information, sadly, it is very hard to determine the facts of the matter in today's world.

          https://www.judicialwatch.org/corruptio … the-night/

          https://townhall.com/tipsheet/guybenson … e-n2594033

          https://www.lawenforcementtoday.com/car … -interior/

          1. My Esoteric profile image85
            My Esotericposted 2 years agoin reply to this

            Especially with those sketchy sources.

            1. peoplepower73 profile image88
              peoplepower73posted 2 years agoin reply to this

              Ken:  You wrote this:

              "It is in the DEMOCRATS control now... whether this passes, or gets derailed, is on them.

              https://www.newsweek.com/infrastructure … es-1639738

              So if you are looking to blame why this has not been passed yet, blame the House Democrats for their infighting and greed."

              It has nothing to do with infighting and greed.  It has to do with two DINO's (Democrats in Name Only) Sinema and Manchin. My term, just like RINO's, Republicans in Name Only.

              https://www.reuters.com/world/us/could- … 021-10-22/

              1. wilderness profile image94
                wildernessposted 2 years agoin reply to this

                I'm curious; recognizing that RINO and DINO are subject to definition/interpretation, do you see both as those people that don't grab any and all concepts from the party and run with them?  Or perhaps only those that pass the muster of over half the party likes it?

                Must all true party members accept what the party decrees as right, without ever disagreeing to the point of voting on the congressional floor against what the party says is good?

                If so perhaps we should ban political parties entirely, for (IMO) it is this rigid party acceptance that is at the root of much, if not most, of our political woes today, and is certainly a huge part of partisan politics.

                1. peoplepower73 profile image88
                  peoplepower73posted 2 years agoin reply to this

                  Wilderness:  The two RINO's in the republican party are Kinsinger and Cheny.  You decide what their agendas are.  The two DINO's in the democratic party are Manchin and Sinema.  I call them that because they both act like conservatives when it comes to passing Biden's Build Back America Better bills.  They don't want to raise taxes on corporations and the super rich to pay for his bills.  That sounds like a conservative position to me. They would rather that the burden be placed on the backs of the middle class. 

                  Welcome to the upside down world of American politics.  We have super majorities and filibusters that allow the minority to control the majority; win the popular vote and lose the election because of the electoral college and Trump who has convinced millions of people he won the election by losing it and caused states to change their election laws so they are in favor of republicans.

                  1. My Esoteric profile image85
                    My Esotericposted 2 years agoin reply to this

                    If we take Wilderness' point, why have parties at all.  Just appoint a dictator for both and leave it go at that since that is how he seems to think it works - mindless obedience.

                    If I am going to ascribe those names to anyone, it would be the Republican Party itself as being the RINOs, the ones that have trashed the Republican Party AND America used to stand for. 

                    For the Democrats, I am not sure the term can even apply since the original Democratic Party, for the most part, stood for everything America held dear.  But, if it is to apply, then again the who Party, almost to a person, are DINOs because none of them stand for today what Democrats stood for 100 years ago.

                    That is my broadview of it.  If I were to assign DINO to anybody, it would be AOC and her crowd.  Why?  Not because they don't stand for liberal values that will help all Americans, it is because they oppose (just like the Freedom Caucus) the idea that the Democratic Party can be a big tent party.

                    They don't WANT conservative, moderate, and liberal wings of the party, they want ONLY far left liberals.  Personally, I am more of a Manchin kind of guy.  He believes in all of those programs in the social bill, just not at the cost.  I agree.

                    He doesn't believe in throwing the baby out with the bathwater, as the Left does, but to get something good passed.  The liberal agenda is a place where good ideas come from, but if left only to them, that where they will die as well.  It takes moderate and conservatives to iron out the rough points to get to something America (if not Republicans) can stomach. 

                    On the other hand, I am totally opposed to Sinema not wanting to tax the rich.


                    Peoplepower - consider an American world where there was no Senate.  That is what you will get without some sort of filibuster.  Look back in your history as to why the founding fathers thought it a good idea to have a rowdy House and a thoughtful House.  They were frightened to death of a democracy where the minority is oppressed by the majority.  That is what will happen without some sort of filibuster. To tell you the truth, I am surprised it didn't make it into the Constitution in some form.  Nevertheless, the Senate (before they became democratized like the House) saw fit to establish a filibuster.

                    Does it work in its current form? No.  Should there be some form? I think yes.

                    What should be carved out?  I think at least these:

                    1. Voting Rights
                    2. Civil Rights
                    3. A subset of National Defence policies
                    4. Executive appointments
                    5. Some subset of National Security policies.
                    6. Treaties
                    5. Judicial appointments

                  2. wilderness profile image94
                    wildernessposted 2 years agoin reply to this

                    Sounds like I got it right - a true Republican or Democrat follows the party line without question.

                    The terms Rino and Dino seem they are are intended to be at least somewhat derogatory, but isn't it the country's best interest that all legislators forego party lines when it contradicts what they feel is best for the country?  Won't a good legislator cast his/her vote according to the needs of the country rather than the desire of the party?  (Don't tell me that either party has it right each and every time they put a bill up for a vote!)

              2. Sharlee01 profile image89
                Sharlee01posted 2 years agoin reply to this

                The media has ignored the fact that not only Manchin and Siimema have put up a wall to getting BBB passed --- There are 9 Democrats that have added their concerns - Yes, the media is conveniently not reporting this to make it look a if there is only two bucking the bill. However, there is this --

                "Nine moderate House Democrats warned Speaker Nancy Pelosi they won't vote for a budget resolution critical to passing Democrats' $3.5 trillion social policy package unless the House first passes a Senate-approved infrastructure bill, a move that threatens to derail the party's economic agenda.  ( which would pass with a great majority of both Dems and Rep)

                "Some have suggested that we hold off on considering the Senate infrastructure bill for months — until the reconciliation process is completed. We disagree," the lawmakers wrote Thursday in a letter to Pelosi. "With the livelihoods of hardworking American families at stake, we simply can't afford months of unnecessary delays and risk squandering this once-in-a-century, bipartisan infrastructure package. It's time to get shovels in the ground and people to work."

                The letter is signed by Reps. Josh Gottheimer of New Jersey, Carolyn Bourdeaux of Georgia, Filemon Vela of Texas, Jared Golden of Maine, Henry Cuellar of Texas, Vicente Gonzalez of Texas, Ed Case of Hawaii, Jim Costa of California and Kurt Schrader of Oregon."

                Others bucking the bill
                Rep. Scott Peters (Calif.),  joined Republicans in voting against moving the bill out of the budget committee, saying he was concerned the party was rushing to craft the social safety net package

                Kathleen Rice (N.Y.), who voted in the House Energy and Commerce Committee against a portion of the bill that would allow the Health and Human Services secretary to negotiate lower drug prices.

                Rep. Stephanie Murphy (D-Fla.) also voted against all of the House Ways and Means Committee’s portions of the bill, saying in a statement earlier this month that the measure includes “spending and tax provisions that give me pause.”

                Rep. Josh Gottheimer (D-N.J.), another leading advocate for eliminating the SALT cap, told The Hill Monday that full repeal of the cap for two years would be “moving in the right direction.”

                Reps. Alma Adams (D-Ga.) and Frederica Wilson (D-Fla.) have threatened to withhold support for the overall package if the language pertaining to grant funding is not amended.   
                Sources
                https://www.npr.org/2021/08/13/10273717 … ote-pelosi

                https://www.cnbc.com/2021/09/08/moderat … t-cap.html

                https://thehill.com/policy/finance/5741 … ng-package

                One can clearly see they are chasing their tail. 
                It is the Democrats that are once again playing poorly planned games. The infrastructure bill should have been passed. They choose to hook a huge socialist plan to a pretty good infrastructure bill. So, let's not blame Manchin and Sinema... There are many Dems making demands.  Progressive, far left, moderates, you name it.

                The media not really covering all the problems that have occurred around these two bills -- they are just concentrating on two showboaters.  Which are most likely have been following a well-written script.  The Dems are famous for these types of ploys. Manchin is their leading man.  He always goes the way of his party.  All the drama, hopefully, he is booted out of Washington by the very people he is giving the shaft.

                1. peoplepower73 profile image88
                  peoplepower73posted 2 years agoin reply to this

                  Sharlee:  I'm glad you put up your sources. Those sources were dated in August and September.  I'm not sure that those who you cited are still opposing the agenda, given the dynamics of convincing them to change their minds. 

                  As I see it, the real problem here has to do with funding the agenda.  Biden is counting on raising taxes on corporations and the super rich to fund his agenda.  Without that, the burden resides with the middle class to pay for his plans. That is not what he intended and that is what Manchin and Sinema don't want. You may call them showboaters.  But because they are needed for the supermajority to pass the bill.  They don't want to raise taxes on corporations and the super rich.  That is why I call them DINO's.  They sound just like conservatives who have the same agenda.

                  Also Biden connected the his "Socialist Plan" to the infrastructure Bill in order to get it all done. Here is what is in both bills, current as of Sept. 28.

                  https://www.investopedia.com/here-s-wha … te-5196817

                  1. Sharlee01 profile image89
                    Sharlee01posted 2 years agoin reply to this

                    I have not found any info on the dealings past Sept.  I have been following this bunch for months.

                    I don't think he ever intended to spend the amount he stated, I don't believe after the party witnessed his popularity plummet, him now being mocked on TV shows and media not carrying water for him  --- that he can even think of pushing a new taxes. And if he does not raise taxes, that bill can't be paid for. Perhaps they will tweak it. I would hope the Dems would push through the infrastructure bill. That bill is badly needed, and Biden would have done something positive. I support the Infrastructure bill. I do not support BBB in any respect. Wrong time for this form of a bill.

                    I am not for changing the tax codes at this point. I feel we need the current codes to help the economy recover well. I have a different way of looking at big business, and the rich. They are 1 percent of earners in America pay 40% of the Federal taxes. Enough is enough...  Corporations and the rich are the lifeblood of America plain and simple. We have too many people that just don't have the will to thrive. This is America's problem --- mindset.  I am not about to jump on ruining our economy for a minority. 

                    Half the country does not want a social bill. We like America as a democracy and don't care to see it become a socialist country. Many American's are very much capitalist.  The concept we built this nation on.

                    Biden is a lame duck,  many more are talking about his frailness, and confessed odd behavior. There has even been some talk about" we the people "needing to know what meds he is on. Which is fair, remember all the media demanding to know what meds Trump was on.

                    It is very discouraging, he could have come in and stayed under the radar for a while, he might have even gleaned respect from Republicans if he stayed a bit in the middle. He just listened to the wrong people. He shocked the hell out of the majority of American's by demolishing so many things we were all benefiting from.  His decisions made no sense, and all have led to bigger problems. It's hard to even keep up, anymore.

                  2. My Esoteric profile image85
                    My Esotericposted 2 years agoin reply to this

                    Yes, and she "conviniently" forgot to mention that many news outlets reported on that story at the time - NYT, CNN, NPR, CBS, NBC, etc etc.  Is this called creating mountain out of whole cloth?

                2. My Esoteric profile image85
                  My Esotericposted 2 years agoin reply to this

                  "The media has ignored the fact that not only Manchin and Siimema have put up a wall to getting BBB passed --- " - Once again, I have to point out that this claim is patently false and each time you say this (and that is a lot), it lowers your veracity a bit more.

                  1. Sharlee01 profile image89
                    Sharlee01posted 2 years agoin reply to this

                    After reading my comment  I  must correct my comment  --  There are 9 or more  Democrats that have added their concerns about the bills - I have not personally seen it reported on any tv media networks. I have found a few articles in regard to the subject online.  This should clear up the context.

                    My main point was, that just Manchin and Sinema are not the only two saying they are not happy with the bills -- for other reasons than Manchin and Sinema. have shared.

          2. My Esoteric profile image85
            My Esotericposted 2 years agoin reply to this

            We are looking for studies or reports of studies and NOT right-wing propaganda pieces.

      2. My Esoteric profile image85
        My Esotericposted 2 years agoin reply to this

        "Biden also handed over Afghanistan to the Taliban and China, " - One of these days you will get it right.  Trump handed over Afghanistan to the Taliban and China.  Whose signature is at the bottom of the treaty that accomplished that?  It certain wasn't Biden's.   Biden's bad decision was not reversing Trump's terrible decision

        "So lets keep it real, the Republicans have very little control over anything right now, if you feel something is not being done, then blame the Democrats, right now they are the ones with all the power and control." - Something is showing, just not the real world.  In your fantasy world, the Democrats would have past the infrastructure bills, the voting right act, the police reform act, among many other things.  But, as always, if it is good for the people, the Republicans successfully oppose it.

        "Biden allows Russia's pipeline to be opened and rescinds our Sanctions." - I guess your position is Germany doesn't have any sovereignty and must  kowtow to Trump's America.

        "Biden now forces his own citizens to be vaccinated or be fired." - As well he should!  But that said, show me the EO where mandated all Americans get vaccinated (that don't have a medical reason).  And now it's personal.  My step-son's Trumper unvaccinated girlfriend just gave me Covid on Saturday!  Now I am sitting in my own house wearing a mask because of her arrogant, self-righteous agenda.  Fortunately, I am vaccinated or I would probably be dead now at her hand.

        It is time to point out another lie from you "Biden's Border policy allows all to cross regardless of their vaccination status."

        "Our inability to supply our own Oil needs, our lack of self sufficiency," - I am sorry, but didn't that happen under Trump?  Why are you blaming Biden?  But the reality is it didn't happen under Trump either because your claim is FALSE.  If you remember, Obama made us energy independent back in 2016![/i]

      3. My Esoteric profile image85
        My Esotericposted 2 years agoin reply to this

        "I think if they wanted to get the Budget & Bills passed, they would be able to do so." - This clearly shows the conservative calcified thinking process where most of them see things in binary terms.  Unlike most of today's Republicans, the Democrats don't go goosestepping to Trump's tune.  You talk of "THEY" as if the Democrats are one monolithic party taking orders from on high and shaking in their boots for fear of pissing off the godhead Trump

  6. Valeant profile image86
    Valeantposted 2 years ago

    https://hubstatic.com/15775038.jpg

    Remember that CEO who took a pay cut so he could pay all his employees a minimum wage of $70,000? Here’s what happened next:

    “Six years later after the decision that others said would destroy his business, Dan reports that revenue has tripled, the customer base has doubled, 70% of his employees have paid down debt, many bought homes for the first time, 401(k) contributions grew by 155% and turnover dropped in half. His business is now a Harvard Business School case study.”

    In his own words: “6 years ago today I raised my company's min wage to $70k. Fox News called me a socialist whose employees would be on bread lines.

    Since then our revenue tripled, we're a Harvard Business School case study & our employees had a 10x boom in homes bought. Always invest in people.”

    1. wilderness profile image94
      wildernessposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      The question is not what revenue did, or (from the perspective of a business owner) what his employers did.

      It is what his bottom line, net profit, did.  Tripling revenue while (at least) doubling salaries does not give any indication of that.  How many employees, for instance, have been added to triple the revenue?  At double the wage scale?  A reasonable guess would be triple the employees to triple revenue (sales) - whereupon profits fell precipitously.

      1. Valeant profile image86
        Valeantposted 2 years agoin reply to this

        In 2014, 130 employees, $3.79 billion in processing volume.
        Today, 200 employees, $13.5 billion in processing volume.

        Less than double the employees.  The key word there would be educated before guessing.

        1. wilderness profile image94
          wildernessposted 2 years agoin reply to this

          How about additional, automated, equipment?  You know, labor saving devices.  How much (if anything) was invested to keep costs down as labor costs went up?

          But you didn't mention how the profit changed.  Up? Down?  Remained static with an additional10B in sales?

          They key here is to look at all of it, not just the part that "proves" whatever it is you're wanting to prove.

          1. Kathryn L Hill profile image77
            Kathryn L Hillposted 2 years agoin reply to this

            The guy is cute.
            He has obvious advantages.

          2. Valeant profile image86
            Valeantposted 2 years agoin reply to this

            What I wanted to prove is that a company using that model could be a success.  That workers could thrive.

            It is you that wants to use the benchmark of profit as the determining factor for success.  Information not available as the company is privately held and does not need to publish publicly.

            We clearly have different definitions of success.  In the same way that I see Newman's Own as a success story despite them donating 100% of profits to their foundation to support charities.

  7. Credence2 profile image78
    Credence2posted 2 years ago

    Thanks for sharing the "socialist idea" that investing in people as a principle may not be such a bad idea and has its rewards.

    1. gmwilliams profile image83
      gmwilliamsposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      I am of the school that if people want a comfortable lifestyle, they should EARN it, not have it GIVEN to them.   Earn what you want, no one owes anyone anything.

      1. Valeant profile image86
        Valeantposted 2 years agoin reply to this

        And some of us are of the school that when you invest in people they thrive and can move away from needing anything given to them.  Hence, less people will have the need for assistance.  Multiple studies show this to be the outcome when the poor are assisted.

        1. Kathryn L Hill profile image77
          Kathryn L Hillposted 2 years agoin reply to this

          but what is the point of a business? to provide jobs?
          Altruistically? with no thought of self ...
          or profit?

          1. Valeant profile image86
            Valeantposted 2 years agoin reply to this

            For some, a business can do all of those things as opposed to just being about thought of self or profit.  Today's GOP has trouble seeing the greater good, only the good that benefits self.

            1. Kathryn L Hill profile image77
              Kathryn L Hillposted 2 years agoin reply to this

              The highest good is that which is for the sake of itself and something else.
              Not only for the sake of itself ...
              or only for the sake of something else.

              1. Kathryn L Hill profile image77
                Kathryn L Hillposted 2 years agoin reply to this

                The GOP of course knows the benefit of the highest good. 
                Greedy corporations which no check ... well, they loose sight of humanity and even their own human-ness ...

                The only way to check their greed and hunger for power is through laws to curb their unfettered growth.
                And not look away when back-room deals and loopholes are allowed from Washington to Wall Street.
                And monopoly laws are ignored and not followed.


                The laws are there. The morals and standards of justice are there.
                The follow-through by the people and their representatives is not.

        2. gmwilliams profile image83
          gmwilliamsposted 2 years agoin reply to this

          So wrong, when the poor are ASSISTED, they become ENTITLED.  Make poor people WORK and PULL THEIR OWN WEIGHT.

          1. peterstreep profile image80
            peterstreepposted 2 years agoin reply to this

            And what work will they do if you don't give them education?
            Only by education, you will get a bigger middle class and a better economy.

          2. Kathryn L Hill profile image77
            Kathryn L Hillposted 2 years agoin reply to this

            Give everyone a chance to do things their own way. with their own enthusiasm and joy.
            To satisfy the desires of why they came to earth. To explore special talents and pursue personal and individual interests. To feel the satisfaction of achieving goals and fulfilling hopes and dreams ... which they have
            for themselves.

            Education must consider the child who wants to learn and who thrives
            on learning.

            Give him the tools he need and is fascinated with for surviving on this earth plane in this society at this time.

            https://www.entrepreneur.com/article/385257

  8. Kathryn L Hill profile image77
    Kathryn L Hillposted 2 years ago

    Boy, is that guy cute.

  9. Kathryn L Hill profile image77
    Kathryn L Hillposted 2 years ago

    So far, President Biden has made me laugh every single day.
    I do not take life so seriously anymore.
    He is such a relief in that nothing seems real.
    Its the hippie in me. smile

    He is also a relief because he is revealing what can not and never will work.
    He is likely going to kissed by every one who didn't understand the nature of good government ... because, sometimes, it's great to learn in a backwards fashion:
    The biggest mistakes reveal the greatest lessons toward true success.

    These are the really great things Joe Biden has done while president.

    Thanks, Joe.

  10. Live to Learn profile image61
    Live to Learnposted 2 years ago

    I just read this and had to post it. Apparently Joe Biden passed gas audibly and long while meeting with Camilla.

    What am embarrassing schmuck of a commander in chief.

    1. Sharlee01 profile image89
      Sharlee01posted 2 years agoin reply to this

      OMG --- I had not heard this. As I have said, Biden just keeps on giving.

    2. GA Anderson profile image87
      GA Andersonposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      OMG! The president farted! Good thing he didn't have it corked, somebody might have been hurt.

      GA

      1. Live to Learn profile image61
        Live to Learnposted 2 years agoin reply to this

        I think you are implying that his passing gas in a meeting with foreign dignitaries is not an embarrassment. Maybe flatulence isn’t perceived in the same way where you’re from?

        1. GA Anderson profile image87
          GA Andersonposted 2 years agoin reply to this

          Maybe. Our farts don't stink so maybe I do see it as no big deal. Is this embarrassment the same as if his dinner coffee cup handle broke and he scalded his wienie at a dignitaries' dinner? That's embarrassing too.

          Forget climate mitigation and all that other stuff they are supposed to be working on. No one would be talking about anything except the Big Dog's scalded wienie. Bless his heart. At his age can you imagine how a scalded wienie would hurt?  Can you imagine the headlines and video clips?

          Besides, how do you know it was the Pres? Haven't you ever blamed a toot on someone else? I remember once, in an elevator. All I had to do was make a face and look hard at the man in front of me and then glance over at the other passengers. Everyone thought he did it. (works for grocery check-out lines too)

          And look at the bright side. It was only a little toot. Imagine if it had been the walking farts and every step had a toot. Now that would be embarrassing. Funny as hell, but embarrassing. It wasn't a walking fart, was it?

          Let's wait a day or two and see if anyone takes one for the team and admits it was them and not the Pres.

          GA

          1. Live to Learn profile image61
            Live to Learnposted 2 years agoin reply to this

            I’m afraid potty humor isn’t my thing.

  11. Credence2 profile image78
    Credence2posted 2 years ago

    Yes, so he passed a little gas, could that not happen to anyone of you?

    If that is your best shot, you're aiming mighty low...

    It has nothing to do with anything that he consciously said or done. I consider the words and actions of his predecessor to have been far more offensive.

    For heavens sake.......

    1. Live to Learn profile image61
      Live to Learnposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Of course he’s done worse. Or maybe not. I still haven’t decided if Joe Biden has any power or if he is 100% puppet only.  But this is just another example of a very old man being put into a position he can’t handle.  Just being carted around from place to place in a giant pretense. The part of it all that fascinates me is that the left honestly believes if they pretend this guy isn’t mostly senile the rest of us will politely turn a blind eye to the embarrassment of having a President figurehead and the dangers of the executive branch having no duly elected captain at the helm.

      At least when Reagan was President they had the sense to hide the dementia.

      1. Credence2 profile image78
        Credence2posted 2 years agoin reply to this

        "At least when Reagan was President they had the sense to hide the dementia."

        Biden's predecessor was far worse, in my opinion. But again, this is just another area where we simply don't see eye to eye. I am satisfied with what progress, this old "demented" man has made to date, even though more in the progressive direction would have been preferred. But, half a loaf is better than nothing at all.

        Reagan's dementia was obvious to many toward the end of his term

        1. Live to Learn profile image61
          Live to Learnposted 2 years agoin reply to this

          Yeah we’ll have to disagree. I don’t think unprecedented inflation and rampant spending is progress and judging by approval ratings for this administration it appears most of America sees this the same way I do.

          1. Credence2 profile image78
            Credence2posted 2 years agoin reply to this

            Perhaps, but Donald Trump has had the lowest approval ratings over the longest period recorded in modern times, I wonder if Joe can break that record?

            1. Sharlee01 profile image89
              Sharlee01posted 2 years agoin reply to this

              I will predict he will break an all-time low record for job approval before he leaves office. The polls show the majority of American's are very dissatisfied with Biden. I think paying immigrants settlements of hundreds of thousands will really tank his polls. Although there is a minority of citizens that still support him, not realizing this Emperor has no clothes on... Polls show many have realized, the emperor is running around somewhat confused and realizing he is nude.

              Among the topline numbers, according to USA Today/Suffolk University, are a 37.8% approval rating for Biden with a 59% disapproval – more than 11 points underwater. Forty-six percent of those included in the survey said Biden has done a worse job than expected, and 64% said they don't want Biden to run for reelection.

              The approval number for the president is in line with where most polls were during this point in former President Trump's term. But according to FiveThirtyEight, Trump's disapproval did not reach such heights until days before he left office, in the wake of the attack on the Capitol by a mob of his supporters.

              https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/pol … 320098001/

              Nearly 64% Of People Against US President Joe Biden Seeking A Second Term In 2024: Poll
              https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/pol … 320098001/

              1. peoplepower73 profile image88
                peoplepower73posted 2 years agoin reply to this

                I don't know if he really passed gas, but I do know what he did  pass and that is The Infrastructure Bill.  The joke is on you people who made fun of him without any source of the information. No pun intended.

                1. Sharlee01 profile image89
                  Sharlee01posted 2 years agoin reply to this

                  I note you have ignored the subject of my comment about Biden's disapproval ratings. No problem,  I assume you read it, so made my point, many American's are having real remorse over putting him in office. Now, to address your comment.

                  Your memory might be failing you in regard to my prediction and my feeling on the infrastructure bill. I predicted it would pass, pretty much as it has with some republicans supporting it. I have been very pro- infrastructure for many years, going far back...  I was pleased to see Biden push an infrastructure bill.

                  This is a plus, but what is he up to now...  he is considering closing Line 5 a Canadian / Michigan pipeline.  He creates problem after problem. I just posted a thread on pipeline 5, and Biden's toying with closing it.

                  I have not "made fun" of Biden. I certainly have posted my opinion on his policies, his demeanor, and yes, what I consider his job performance. I have not made fun of him, not unless you consider my opinion on the above-mentioned making fun of him. Passing gas is the very least of his problems, I put his state of mind more important than his gastrointestinal problems.

                  Among the topline numbers, according to USA Today/Suffolk University, are a 37.8% approval rating for Biden with a 59% disapproval – It is very obvious I am not alone in regard to my opinion on Biden's ability to do his job. I am in the majority...

                  1. peoplepower73 profile image88
                    peoplepower73posted 2 years agoin reply to this

                    Sharlee:  The stock market is at an  all  time high.  The Feds says they are easing the money supply.  The unemployment rate has dropped to 4.6% for October.  Companies are hiring and jobs are coming back.  But you will never hear Fox and MAGA news talk about any of those positives aspects of Biden's administration.

                    Also BBB has been submitted to the COB for scoring.  Here is the preliminary estimate from the Department of the Treasury, dated Nov 8.

                    https://home.treasury.gov/news/featured … e-deficits

              2. Credence2 profile image78
                Credence2posted 2 years agoin reply to this

                But having an infrastructure bill passed with an associated increase in jobs and economic activity should well change Mr. Biden's fortune and help,to turn around dismal poll numbers much of it coming from gridlock over the roll out of this very program.

                And the Republicans had better not take any credit as most of them voted against it.

                The Democrats need to make it clear as to who are moving things forward verses who it is that only provides obstruction and resistance and why.

                1. Sharlee01 profile image89
                  Sharlee01posted 2 years agoin reply to this

                  Cred, the infrastructure bill should, by all means, provide jobs. If it does not, we need to look into where all the cash ended up. I supported the infrastructure bill.

                  " And the Republicans had better not take any credit as most of them voted against it."

                  However, 13 did vote for the bill, and it might be wise to consider that bill likely would not have passed if they did not lend a hand. The Democrats had 6 far-left vote no...  So, perhaps you might want to rethink your opinion on the Republicans jumping in when needed.

                  It is very obvious the 6 members are a big problem to the Democrats. And they are out to push an agenda, and hell is it will all be willing to even pose their seats doing so.  This bunch will divide, and cause havoc and ultimately keep the party well divided.

                  1. peoplepower73 profile image88
                    peoplepower73posted 2 years agoin reply to this

                    Sharlee:  According to this report Nov. 8, the Feds are reducing the money supply which is one of the major causes of inflation.  It is important to note inflation reports are always looking backwards a month.  Some of the major causes of inflation include the pandemic, the log jam of cargo ships, and the demand for semiconductors manufactured off shore.  Here is what U.S. News Report says.

                    https://www.usnews.com/news/economy/art … he-economy

                  2. Credence2 profile image78
                    Credence2posted 2 years agoin reply to this

                    Yes, Sharlee, the 6 most left leaning Democrats have been a problem, but it is just 6.

                    How do you explain that virtually every GOP congressman voted against a compromise that even you, sitting on the 'Right side of things', can accept as a good idea.

                    Listen to the ire that all the naysaying Republicans hand their colleagues who voted in favor? What did they have to offer as solutions to the problems that the infrastructure bill was designed to address outside of just saying no?

                    Cheap and vengeful intra party politics? The GOP renegades are going to earn to wrath of Trump and his hoards and will be 'primar ied to death by "true Republicans".


                    https://www.businessinsider.com/republi … ll-2021-11

  12. Valeant profile image86
    Valeantposted 2 years ago

    Yes, always noting how bad Trump left the country is important.  You always bring up Biden's poll numbers and yet they still haven't reached the level that Trump hit when he left office.

    And now, we get members of this administration trying to white wash issues that were clearly created on his watch such as the supply chain issues and people like you who cannot acknowledge what has actually led to the rise of inflation.

    https://www.yahoo.com/news/kellyanne-co … 37434.html

    1. Sharlee01 profile image89
      Sharlee01posted 2 years agoin reply to this

      No Biden has a bit to go before he hits Trump's exit polls. But I think that will be very soon... Just my view.

      "people like me" --- I would say a very large majority see inflation rising and blame the current guy in the White House -- just the way it is.

      The polls very much appear as of today that the majority feel Biden is not up for the job. His polls this week by all rights should have gone up, but they continue to go down. In my view, he is a dead duck.

      I will have a look at your link. Thanks for offering it.

  13. Credence2 profile image78
    Credence2posted 2 years ago

    We talk about Democrat give away programs?

    In the Denver area for example, needed repairs are to accomplished with the money for deteriorated roadways and supporting infrastructure according to a local broadcast.

    What do conservatives and Republicans have to offer short of letting the bridges fall down? I hear about what is "good for the country", but the GOP obviously puts Trump worship, heightened sour grapes and raw partisanship ahead of that idea.

    Is it more important to bring down Biden or have Congress get the things done for which they were sent?

    Where is all this "talk" about working together across the isle?

    1. Sharlee01 profile image89
      Sharlee01posted 2 years agoin reply to this

      I guess it depends on Ameican's, what the majority want to get done. It is pretty well apparent the majority of Republicans don't feel we need any further spending at this point. Not to say some might agree with some of what's in Biden's bills, but just think the timing is bad, some have shared they don't care in any more social programs.  There are just several reasons the two sides don't agree. It all boils down to very opposite ideologies.

      Not sure Trump has anything to do with what is going on in Congress at this point. I think it is a fight to stop left-leaning ideologies.  This is what I get from speaking and listening to Republicans.  It's something they are dug in on.

      1. Credence2 profile image78
        Credence2posted 2 years agoin reply to this

        Sharlee, the "majority" voted in Mr. Biden in 2020 and the Congress was the result of a revolt against Republicans in 2018. A majority of Republicans is not a majority of the electorate who say otherwise. As for saying some might agree with what's in Biden's bills.... well,it is more than some.

        And I say that the counterproductive Republican Party values and policies need to be curbed. And, I am not the only one holding that opinion.

        We voted Biden and the Democratic vision as front and center, last November. Our fight is keeping creepy right wing thinking from dominating political discourse. So,the ideologies are opposite, indeed they are. And you can bet that WE are "dug in" as well.

        1. My Esoteric profile image85
          My Esotericposted 2 years agoin reply to this

          In fact the polls show a majority of Republicans support the bi-partisan and social infrastructure bills.

          Given that Republicans only make up 29% of the electorate (40% if you count the Right-leaning independents) and the majority of those support both bills, it seems  like only a small percentage of Americans don't want to spend more money.

          And Trump has EVERYTHING to do with what goes on in Congress.  Without Trump's fear factor and bullying, many more Republicans would have supported the bi-partisan infrastructure bill and some might have supported the social infrastructure bill.

          Without Trump, I bet those despicable tweets of killing Biden and AOC would not have been sent.

          1. Credence2 profile image78
            Credence2posted 2 years agoin reply to this

            The latest outrage as it is being said that Trump provided verbal support regarding the rallying cry of "the mob" to "hang Mike Pence.

            When in the history of the Republic, without going to its very beginning has this kind of conflict between a Vice President and his primary has taken place.  In the age of Trump, there appears to be no level to where values of  political decency can descend?

            Bannon has been indicted, hopefully this action will be more commonplace with the rest of Trump's henchmen.

        2. Sharlee01 profile image89
          Sharlee01posted 2 years agoin reply to this

          The majority of those that voted did vote for Biden, this is a fact. However, it would seem he ran on a moderate agenda and has flipped to a far-left agenda. So, this appears (proven by various polls) to have given a majority buyers remorse.  Not sure how many in Congress found the infrastructure bill suitable. I feel most voted or did not vote for the bill for various reasons, in my view mostly political reasons. In the end, they are hired to speak for the people that sent them to Washington.

          And you are certainly not alone to feel that the Republicans at this point are being counterproductive. However, once again polls show many American's to include many Democrats are not on board with Build back Better. I don't feel this bill has a chance of passing.  I also think 2022 will have Republicans win back power in Congress.  I have said this before -- Biden could have been successful if he would have taken it all slower, and cooled his jets for a bit...  He literally killed his presidency so quickly it made my head spin. Not sure who he is listening to, but at some point, I expect Joe will write a book, and we will find out how it went bad so quickly.

          It is clear you have a strong opinion on Republicans as a whole. However, you may want to realize the Republicans pretty much feel just as strongly about Democrats. 

          It's a shame the divide is so deep, not really good for the Country. I guess one could say,  All American's, in the end, will speak out, but one segment will be heard the loudest. I hope in 2024 we find ourselves looking at two young intelligent candidates that we can respect, and be proud to back.

        3. wilderness profile image94
          wildernessposted 2 years agoin reply to this

          "Sharlee, the "majority" voted in Mr. Biden in 2020 and the Congress was the result of a revolt against Republicans in 2018."

          Partially true.  But more accurate, and truthful, was that the unending political battle and witch hunt to remove the new player (the one not beholden to either party) from office.  Without the shenanigans, the lies, the stories, the exaggerations - and perhaps most of all without COVID - Trump would still be in office.

          1. Credence2 profile image78
            Credence2posted 2 years agoin reply to this

            You really believe that? That this tyrant of yours is really unaffiliated?

            The only thing that really sunk Trump was the COVID thing, as you say, without it he would enjoyed the advantage running for a second term that virtually every similarly disposed candidate have had. And most probably would have won, but, alas, it was not meant to be.

    2. wilderness profile image94
      wildernessposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      "In the Denver area for example, needed repairs are to accomplished with the money for deteriorated roadways and supporting infrastructure according to a local broadcast."

      And that's exactly what the country needs the worst.  Had the Democrats not tripled or quadrupled the price tag with their own wish list they would not have had any trouble passing it.  I doubt there would have been more than a handful of legislators not voting for it - it was that huge price tag for stuff that is in no need of repair (or flat non-existent) that drove people to vote against it.

      1. Credence2 profile image78
        Credence2posted 2 years agoin reply to this

        Well, I disagree with that. The people voted in Biden and the Democrats not so they can merely follow the lead of Republican flinty policy. There was enough of a compromise made from the intent of original bill without Republicans expecting Democrats to give them the entire store.

        I still believe republicans withheld support because of the desire not to give Biden a win, just as their fearless leader, Donald Trump, promotes.  That is why the "13" are condemned men and women from among the GOP.

        1. My Esoteric profile image85
          My Esotericposted 2 years agoin reply to this

          I agree, Credence.  The Republicans who voted against the bi-partisan infrastructure bill did it for purely political reasons even though their constituents were all for it.

        2. wilderness profile image94
          wildernessposted 2 years agoin reply to this

          It would be comical, of not just sad, to hear "Republicans expecting Democrats to give them the entire store" when the exact reverse is so true.  It was the Democrats "wanting the entire store" with their grandiose plans, not Republicans.

          Yes, I'm positive as well that a good bit of the opposition was due to partisanship - shut down Democrats because my party says to - but even more was the enormous price Democrats demanded to fund their pet projects rather than repair our infrastructure.  Take a good look at the bill and see for yourself just how much is to repair our failing roads, bridges and such and how much is to spend money to expand and create what does not need repair because it isn't there at all.  Expanded broadband.  More, not repaired, mass transit.  The list just goes on and on, with the large majority of funding going to building additional rather than repairing what we have that is in such desperate need of help.

          Such programs may have a place...but not now, not when we're facing runaway inflation from already massive (and poorly thought out) giveaway plans.  Let us get our economy back in order, not living off borrowed money but off of actual production of goods and services, and we should probably address some of those problems.  Not now.

          1. Credence2 profile image78
            Credence2posted 2 years agoin reply to this

            "Expanded broadband.  More, not repaired, mass transit.  The list just goes on and on, with the large majority of funding going to building additional rather than repairing what we have that is in such desperate need of help."
            ------
            Both, These things have no value for you as part of building the economy, perhaps more wasteful DoD spending is what the doctor ordered?

            1. wilderness profile image94
              wildernessposted 2 years agoin reply to this

              I thought I made it clear that they have value, but that this is not the time to increase our spending (and borrowing) for Democrat wish lists. 

              Get inflation back under control, pay off the borrowing we made during the COVID crisis, and then look for improvements and additions.  Until then we have no business spending for items that are nice but not necessary.

              1. peoplepower73 profile image88
                peoplepower73posted 2 years agoin reply to this

                Wilderness:  If the infrastructure bill puts more people back to work, then there is more money to spend for those who are now working.  Therefore pent up demand for goods and services will be met with a larger supply.  That is why we are now having inflation. The supply can't meet consumers demands, therefore prices to consumers increase to cover the supplier's losses.

                1. wilderness profile image94
                  wildernessposted 2 years agoin reply to this

                  LOL  We have massive inflation because Government has spent, and given away, huge amounts of money with nothing in return.  If all that money had produced things to buy we wouldn't have this problem, but it did not.  Production comes from people working, not from sitting home getting thousands of dollars in "free" money.

                  But we've been down this road before; your opinion appears to be that as long as govt. prints more money it is good for the economy because there is more to spend.  Under that philosophy we should be giving everyone in the country a couple of hundred thousand each year because GDP will go up.

                  1. Sharlee01 profile image89
                    Sharlee01posted 2 years agoin reply to this

                    Thank You...

                  2. peoplepower73 profile image88
                    peoplepower73posted 2 years agoin reply to this

                    Wilderness:  I didn't say that at all. I said supply and demand is the key cause of inflation. As far as printing money goes, how about the stimulus checks that Trump sent out and all the quantitative easing that took place under Trump?  The feds are now tapering the money supply.  If consumers have the money but there is no supply then prices go up. Economics 101.

                2. GA Anderson profile image87
                  GA Andersonposted 2 years agoin reply to this

                  I was tempted to use a comment from Wilderness to jump in with a tangent about a pet peeve concerning the Infrastructure bill that no one seems to focus on but that I think is important: how the bill is paid for. But then I saw your comment and decided to go for a two-fer.

                  What do you mean when you say the bill will make more money available for those already working?

                  Also, and I know it is an arguable point, I think your supply and demand rationale is misdirected. I don't think it is a product shortage that is the prime driver of this inflation. I too think it is a supply and demand issue, but I see it as a money, not product, issue that is driving this inflation. I think there is a difference.

                  Anyway, the tangent I had in mind . . .

                  ". . . pay off the borrowing we made during the COVID crisis . . ."

                  It seems a large part of how this bill is being paid for by redirecting unused Covid funds. That doesn't qualify as paying for something to me.

                  If you have to borrow money to pay for something you can't afford and decide you don't need it for what your thought you needed it for, then return the money and skip the debt. The need that justified the borrowing is no longer valid. Using borrowed money to pay for something doesn't mean you paid for the cost of that thing. It is still unpaid for borrowing, (debt)..

                  GA

                  1. Ken Burgess profile image76
                    Ken Burgessposted 2 years agoin reply to this

                    Correct, there are two primary causes for the current inflation.

                    The first being the injection of one third of all "dollars" in existence being created in 2020, a small part went to the people in stimulus checks and unemployment, the bulk of it went to banks and financial institutions which used it to buy up assets.

                    They used this "free cash" to buy a wealth of stocks, properties and small businesses, this is why the richest people and corporations on earth got massively wealthier during that timeframe while everyone else was trying to survive the lockdowns and shutdowns.

                    The second major factor has been the rise in gas prices, everything has to be transported from farm to package plant to store, from forest to saw mill to store, etc. so when the price of gas goes from $2.00 to $3.25 those costs are transferred into the selling price.

                    The third major factor is increased global competition for more limited supplies, the lockdowns and shutdowns did harm the supply chain, it did impact farmers and industries across the globe... decades ago this would not have made a difference to Americans, America was the wealthiest nation and all supplies would have diverted to the U.S.

                    That is not the case today, China is the larger economy with more pull, so many resources divert to China, or even the EU, rather than come to the U.S.

                    Our Government and MSM is not going to come out and directly tell you these truths, they are not going to admit to limited production of oil here in the U.S. which the Fed is restricting is impacting oil and gas prices (which OPEC and Shell and ExxonMobil all want to go UP) they play the blame game, say they have no control over it... its OPEC's fault.

                    They aren't going to tell you why the costs of Pork and Beef are really going up, which would be because large sums of said supply is being redirected to China... people would probably not take kindly to that reality, they would expect their politicians to stop it... people don't get the fact that politicians work for the corporations, and very rarely do the American people get the benefit from decisions made in DC.

  14. Valeant profile image86
    Valeantposted 2 years ago

    People can claim that Covid cost Trump the reelection, but it's more about his own deadly response to Covid that showed just how unqualified he was to run the country in a time of crisis.

    First, he ignored the warnings about Covid.

    Then, he went about lying to the American people about the dangers.

    And then he finally convinced his followers not to believe in basic public health measures, causing him and 34 others in the White House, as well as 881 members of his Secret Service detail, to contract the disease.

    Inept, untruthful, and reckless - not qualities that people want to see in the White House.

    1. Sharlee01 profile image89
      Sharlee01posted 2 years agoin reply to this

      You so aptly offered your opinion in regard to Trump's handling of COVID.
      Now, let me share mine... He certainly did take the opportunity to try to soothe the countries fears on many occasions throughout the pandemic.
      The first cases in North America were reported in the United States in January 2020. He also immediately listened to the team headed up by Fauchi to close down the country, and stop travel from China (with exception of letting American's return home, and quarantine upon return.). He immediately took measures to provide vents as well as PPE as quickly as humanly possible. He had the Auto industry producing Vents. Many were sent around the world to help other counties in need. He offered help to the states, which most Democratic states vocally on media told him to shove it.  The Gov her in Michigan for one.

      He had venues made into hospitals for overflow Pts. He sent one of our medical ships to New York. He was in the public eye almost daily with updates, which his words were directed by a discussing media mob, they did not hear beyond what suited their sick agenda. He continued throughout his time in office to initiate all of Fauci's advice (in my book his biggest mistake). By early May 15, 2020, he created Operation Warp Speed. Which quickly put us on the way to having three vaccines in less than 8 months. By Dec 14, 2020, the first vaccine was given in the US. Biden was vaccinated on Dec 21, 2020...

      Trump took the Vaccine in Jan, even after having COVID. He made it clear on many occasions that he hoped all would be vaccinated.  He bragged constantly about having doses for every American and would be donating vaccines to other countries.

      In regard to reckless, not qualified, untruthful people, that would be Biden. He has proven all of the above over and over again. He has offered nothing but turmoil.  He is absolutely the worse president we have ever had.  He has nothing to offer America. Hopefully, in 2022 the Republicans will take back Congress and remove him from office.  By then American's will be screaming to remove him from office.

      This is my opinion.

  15. Kathleen Cochran profile image76
    Kathleen Cochranposted 2 years ago

    So truth doesn't matter in America any more? When did that happen to us?

  16. Valeant profile image86
    Valeantposted 2 years ago

    And people want to go back to the 'law and order' president....

    https://www.huffpost.com/entry/donald-t … 5f284a5c51

    “In the White House, when we would get Hatch Act violations, that was a badge of honor,” Grisham told Acosta.

    “It was a joke in the White House. The president used to say to us, ‘You know who’s in charge of the Hatch Act? It’s me, [so] go ahead, say whatever you want to say.’”

    1. Sharlee01 profile image89
      Sharlee01posted 2 years agoin reply to this

      The Office of Special Counsel (OSC), which enforces the Hatch Act,  found 14 senior Trump administration officials in violation of the statute. Were any actually charged or received any form of punishment?  I found plenty of accusations on the 14, but no real info on punishment.  It would seem throughout the history of the Hatch Act, punishment is not carried out.
      https://www.wsj.com/articles/top-govern … 1598471184

      1. My Esoteric profile image85
        My Esotericposted 2 years agoin reply to this

        Didn't you read what Valiant wrote?  Trump was the final say on who gets punished and of course he would punish no one.  So falling back on the fact that no one punished (they were charged) is disingenuous at best.  Of course no one was punished, your unethical president you love so much made sure of that.

  17. Valeant profile image86
    Valeantposted 2 years ago

    Iowa poll: 
    Trump 51%, Biden 40%

    2020 Result:
    Trump 53.1%, Biden 44.9%

    Both candidates down, Biden a bit more.  Biden with 95% support from Democrats in the poll.
    61% of people are more aligned to the GOP and just 26% are aligned with Trump.
    Biden 53%, Trump 38% for those with a college degree.

    The rest of the poll is a lot of bad news for Biden.

    1. My Esoteric profile image85
      My Esotericposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      To be expected.  There is also this fact that biases the votes for Trump - most of those people who picked Trump are so brainwashed that they believe in the Big Lie.  Had they had a clear mind and believed in the truth, I suspect most of those would have chosen somebody else.

      This is the reason Trump is so dangerous to democracy - so many people don't vote with their mind that they are subject to his false populist message.  This is borne out by your 53 Biden - 38 Trump statistic for college graduates.

    2. Sharlee01 profile image89
      Sharlee01posted 2 years agoin reply to this

      And did Trump win a second term? Polls showed him to be unpopular pretty much throughout his time in office...   I myself ignored the polls while Trump was president, but apparently, they showed the displeasure of voters, and in the end, Trump lost.

      Even after a good win with the infrastructure bill (which I think the majority of American's supported) Biden's polls have gone down further.
      https://nypost.com/2021/11/14/bidens-ap … -low-poll/

      https://www.kcci.com/article/iowa-poll- … 8251883#ls claim Trump would win if vote were held now. "DES MOINES, Iowa —
      More than half of Iowans say they would likely vote for former President Donald Trump over President Joe Biden should the rematch appear on the presidential ballot in 2024.

      That's according to a new Des Moines Register/Mediacom Iowa Poll.

      The poll shows 51% of respondents say they would vote for Trump, compared to 40% for Biden, while 4% say they would not"

      https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles … poll-shows

      It is early in his term, but it well seems he has many problems that remain in thebpublic eye, and in their pockets. And now a Russia really rattling chains putting 90,000 troops on the border of the Ukraine. and China becoming very agressive toward taiwan. He has a shi- storm going on...

      https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/economi … d=81095146

  18. Valeant profile image86
    Valeantposted 2 years ago

    This is pretty much the battle that Biden is losing, that the positives are being drowned out by the multitude of negative voices out there on the right:

    https://www.yahoo.com/news/economy-grea … 25779.html

    1. Sharlee01 profile image89
      Sharlee01posted 2 years agoin reply to this

      A chart says it all, and inflation hits us all.

      https://hubstatic.com/15789602.png
      https://tradingeconomics.com/united-sta … lation-cpi

      In the previous year until Trump left office in the time most of the country was locked down --- When the pandemic hit under trump there was a slight rise in inflation Jan 2020 2.5  Feb 2.3  Mar 1.5  Apr 0.3
      May 0.1  June 0.6 Jul  1.0 Aug 1.3  Sept 1.4 Oct 1.2 Nov 1.2 Dec 1.4 Jan  1.2

      2021 it began to grow to what it is today... Trump kept the economy stable through a true crisis. A time that most of the country was not working.

      At this point, we see many that were working return to work, We see stats that reflect just that people returning to jobs after the Gov money dried up.

      I think in this next year we will see the devastation of the trillions that have been poured into our economy, along with much of that cash being printed. It is well proven when If the government prints too much money, people who sell things for money and raise the prices for their goods, as well as services and labor. This works to lower purchasing power and the value of the money printed. That money soon becomes worthless.

      IMO, Biden has us in a very big mess, that will take years to dig out of.

      1. Valeant profile image86
        Valeantposted 2 years agoin reply to this

        And in my opinion, Covid created the mess that Biden is now cleaning up.  Using 2020 inflation stats is about as valid as using 2020 immigration figures.  Neither really has a year to compare to since it is a once-in-a-lifetime event, hopefully.

        Opening the economy is a good thing, now we need to get the goods and services back into the economy to match the high demand and high levels of cash on hand.  The levels of people returning to work were the same in states that chose to end unemployment versus those that extended it longer, so your statement about returning after the government money dried up is not based in reality.  More likely when the child tax credit came through, parents could afford childcare again and could go back to work.

        And it's funny that you note the printing of money and the pouring money into the economy as causes, then try and put that on Biden when most of it happened in 2020.

        Just another example of you, and so many others, living in an alternate reality to the causes of this high inflation.

        1. Sharlee01 profile image89
          Sharlee01posted 2 years agoin reply to this

          Trump kept the boat afloat, he did it with careful planning. Biden did the very worse thing he could do, not open the economy up soon enough and pouring in money that caused inflation, and the demand for more goods than our ports could handle. Trump actually predicted this mess...IMO we have not seen anything yet. This infrastructure bill will add more cash into the economy, raising inflation to new levels.

          You do realize we still have a mess at the ports? Nothing can alleviate this mess quickly, it should never be left to build to such a crisis. The problem was ignored from early spring and just got worse.  https://www.npr.org/2021/11/11/10546149 … many-reaso

          This link provides up-to-date updates on what is happening at the ports.
          https://www.joc.com/port-news/us-ports

          Yes, some of the printing did go on in late 2020 due to the need for the stimulus bill, and costs for many related COVID expenses. The economy did not plummet due to what would appear the people used the cash to live on, most likely thinking they would soon be returning to work. Biden literally supplied money to stay home, and the spending spree started over that summer, causing inflation, and our port problem.

          Inflation will become a huge problem over the next year, IMO break historical records, as it has been doing.

          Hey if I am wrong, it will shut me up, with a --- "I was wrong, and will wear egg on my face"

          However, I think the writing is on the wall, and we will be going back and forth on inflation for a long time.

      2. My Esoteric profile image85
        My Esotericposted 2 years agoin reply to this

        And of course, things are never put into context, are they?  In 1923, I think it was, American inflation ran 20+%.  In 1980, it ran 13+%.  Argentina's inflation is currently running 60+% and once exceeded 300%,  In 1932, Germany's mark fell to a TRILLION to on America dollar.

        Yet the right-wing is having a "sky-is-falling" moment over 6% annual inflation.  Give me a break.[/i]

    2. wilderness profile image94
      wildernessposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      I particularly liked that wages are up 3.5%...while inflation is up 6%.  I will see it personally with my tremendous SS increase of almost 6%, coupled with an increase in Medicare costs of 40%.  As always a net loss, but this time most of the country will see the same thing.

      Then we see the economy growing at 5.7%...or 0.3% less than inflation.  It appears that the entire growth is because of inflation, not real, actual growth that makes life better for all.

      From your link, "Biden doesn't need to worry about the economy. He does, however, need to worry about what Americans think of the economy.".  He's going to have to worry even more about it when people figure out that between increased taxes and inflation the real, take home, income has dropped considerably.

      1. Sharlee01 profile image89
        Sharlee01posted 2 years agoin reply to this

        I become so tired of having the recent economic stats offered as some form of proof that the economy is good.  These stats are a country's people returning to work due to free cash drying up

        Stat such as the increase in wages may seem good on paper ---  Wages jumped in the three months ending in September by the most on records dating back 20 years. A great headline is it not?

        However, there is a stark fact that needs to be considered. The very fact of the growing ability of workers to demand higher pay from companies, and businesses that are desperate to fill a near-record number of available jobs. this is the only reason we have seen a bit of a wage hike. What has this wage increase caused, inflation? The huge circle --- one makes a bit more, and after getting that check, pays more for
        everything.

        You hit it right on the head --- Biden needs to worry about American's suffering under inflation. Paying their utility bills, and paying for food for their kids. All the economy stats under Biden are due to an economy trying to come back without any guidance from the Fed. Just keep pouring in cash... Yes, that's the ticket.

  19. Valeant profile image86
    Valeantposted 2 years ago

    This opinion showed up in my feed:

    Healthy democracies require diverse opinions. The facts and valid reasons unearthed in political debates can lead to superior outcomes. Unfortunately, many Republican claims simply lack any factual basis.

    Was it wrong to attack the U.S. Capitol causing injury, death, property damage and threats of future violence? The Republican Party expressed three reactions: silence, dissembling and sanctions for those who condemned it. The “law and order” party refuses to accurately describe or denounce the violence initiated by former President Trump, the undeniable violence we all saw on television.

    According to Forbes, 78 percent of Republicans — some whom must live in Ottawa County — think Joe Biden won unfairly. But where are their facts? Yes, there are loud accusations, but where are the facts supporting those claims? Here in Michigan, the kerfuffle over Antrim County election errors started with Donald Trump and was supported by Michigan Republicans, yet a hand count of all their ballots upheld the originally reported results. In other words, the accusations were unfounded, woven entirely of self-serving fictions, just like in Arizona.

    Rudy Giuliani lost all of his 60-plus voter-fraud cases because he presented no valid supporting evidence. Now Giuliani says it wasn’t his job to validate those claims. Yet, have zero legal victories or the exoneration of Antrim County’s election results dissuaded Ottawa County Republicans from believing Trump’s voter fraud accusations, or did the preponderance of contrary evidence alter their opinions even a little? It appears not.

    One can only assume Republicans are now operating fact-free. Outrageous unfounded claims are made and received as if they were biblical verses accepted on faith alone. On a whole variety of issues, Republican non-factual positions are screamed at school boards, written in death threats to election officials, and enacted in new undemocratic election laws. The Party of Lincoln? Not even close.

    This opinion article (by Richard Kamischke) originally appeared on The Holland Sentinel.

    1. wilderness profile image94
      wildernessposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      "The “law and order” party refuses to accurately describe or denounce the violence initiated by former President Trump, the undeniable violence we all saw on television."

      You do understand that "accurately describe" does not mean to grossly exaggerate, does not mean to use terminology that does not fit the event in order to raise emotions, does not mean to use loaded words to get the listener to believe what is not true?

      You understand that?  That a riot is not an "insurrection", is not an "attempt to overthrow the government"?

      1. Valeant profile image86
        Valeantposted 2 years agoin reply to this

        Again, when you live in such a false reality that can ignore that January 6 was the date where the peaceful transfer of power within the United States was taking place and the insurrection tried to stop that, then we cannot have a dialog.

        Keep failing at avoiding my posts.

        1. My Esoteric profile image85
          My Esotericposted 2 years agoin reply to this

          They didn't TRY, they SUCCEEDED for a short period of time.

      2. My Esoteric profile image85
        My Esotericposted 2 years agoin reply to this

        Sorry Wilderness for your naivete, that mob did overthrow the government, using violent means, for a short period of time - Congress was not allowed to function. That is the very definition of an insurrection. You can't get around that fact no matter how much you try to twist the truth.

    2. My Esoteric profile image85
      My Esotericposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Very clear, concise, on-point, but most importantly, TRUE

    3. My Esoteric profile image85
      My Esotericposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Another take comes from Dr. Jon Grinspan, curator of political history at the Smithsonian’s National Museum of American History.

      Near the end of this piece, he makes this observation in speaking about today's hyperpartisan politics - We’re not the first generation to worry about the death of our democracy.

      While the author focuses on what was probably a worse, more violent political era featuring riots, stolen elections, lynching, and the like, he fails to mention the first time American democracy almost cracked - the election of 1800; that period is sometimes called the The Revolution of 1800 - America came very close to an actual civil war.

      The warfare between the parties only died down when the Federalists (like the Republicans of today) simply went too far and America finally rejected their extremism and they ended up disappearing as a Party.  With any luck, that is what will happen to the Republican Party today.

      An interesting finding in this article is that the more participation there is in our democracy, the more violent and divided it becomes; to a point, the less people vote (which makes me shutter), the more peaceful the political environment was which allowed good things to happen in Congress.

      https://www.nytimes.com/2021/10/29/opin … d-age.html

  20. Credence2 profile image78
    Credence2posted 2 years ago

    What does it take?

    Putting aside ideas of castigating anyone in the classroom today merely for their race or ethnicity, can we get down to the basics?

    I want a simple acknowledgement that racism has been of an institutional and structural nature here in the United States.

    The legal construct for Jim Crow was established under Plessy in 1896. This was the foundation for segregation and discrimination and not only in the South. That included Government institutions as well. Ask Nat King Cole, if you could, about the amount of trouble he had buying a house in Hollywood during the 1950s. It was the "law of the land", right?

    It was also established over half a century later that "separate was inherently unequal", so guess who had to live with the dirty end of that stick for a substantial period?

    I don't see how any Social Studies instruction or otherwise bringing out this point is to be shrouded and restricted to obscure ethnic studies courses at the college level?

    You can't really teach American history and excise this part of it regardless of how unpleasant, because the truth is always preferred even if it not always pleasant.

    I am not an educator, but I can't see how high school students studying Algebra, Geometry and Trig  are going to lose their bearings over discussion of these facts regarding the formation of this country.

    1. Fayetteville Faye profile image61
      Fayetteville Fayeposted 2 years agoin reply to this

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      1. Credence2 profile image78
        Credence2posted 2 years agoin reply to this

        What you say makes a lot of sense.

        CRT, as you have defined it deals with a curriculum that would be outside the purview of high school acedemics

        So, teaching CRT and standard American History are two different things. Standard American history does not educate kids in believing that George Washington told no lies, or that the Civil War started over an argument as to where the Mason/Dixon line was to be drawn. I believe that conservatives are using this controversy to eliminate ANY meaningful discussions on the topic, true or not.

        Youngkin,  just like Trump knew where to find the soft underbelly, the proverbial patella in reflex. What it would take to enrage white parents and their families, that their children were being indoctrinated with "leftist" ideas. This was a dirty trick. Did not take much, does it, to know exactly what buttons to push to get the dogs salivating? I thought that we were all smarter than this, but these sorts of fears and insecurities are who we were, and unfortunately, continue to be.

        I will concur with your understanding of the actual curriculum of American history being taught as generally fair and balanced.

        Thanks for your imput as an educator to help clear all of this up.

      2. peoplepower73 profile image88
        peoplepower73posted 2 years agoin reply to this

        I believe it is right wing propaganda that comes up with all these " bumper sticker slogans"  that resonate with the right wing audiences.  They speak their language and it easy for them to relate to without doing any research.

        They are intended to strike fear and consternation into the right wing by assigning these slogans to the left wing They include, but are not limited to CRT, the cancel culture, deep state, socialism, communism, fake news, enemy of the people, woke, sleepy Joe, Make America Great Again, drain the swamp, stop the steal, Russia, Russia, Russia, witch hunt, and the latest one, Lets go Brandon. which is supposed to be right wing speak for eff you Biden.

  21. Valeant profile image86
    Valeantposted 2 years ago

    Until those supply chain issues get solved...


    https://hubstatic.com/15797104.jpg

    1. wilderness profile image94
      wildernessposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      lol

  22. Valeant profile image86
    Valeantposted 2 years ago

    There will be some light deficit spending (around 25 billion per year) for the infrastructure bill as compared to 230 billion a year for the 2017 tax cuts that predominantly favor the wealthy.

    The money for BBB is being funded from an increase in taxes on the wealthy, forcing big corporations to actually pay money in taxes instead of using loopholes, and having people who currently dodge paying taxes actually pay the taxes they owe like the rest of us.

    All the money for BBB is already money that exists, so no new printing of money.  Hence, not much increase in demand.

  23. Valeant profile image86
    Valeantposted 2 years ago

    So much for not being a problem solver:

    Today the CEO of Walmart, Doug McMillon, explicitly praised the Biden administration for its actions to reduce pandemic-related supply chain shortages, which are easing. “I would like to give the administration credit for helping do things like help get the ports open 24 hours a day, to open up some of the trucking lines…—there’s been a lot of work to do that—and then all the way through the supply chain there’s been a lot of innovation, and…week after week, in the third quarter in particular, sequentially, each month of the quarter got stronger, the number of containers that we were moving through the ports has grown significantly….”

    The Department of Energy will make available releases of 50 million barrels of oil from the Strategic Petroleum Reserve to lower gas and oil prices for Americans.

    1. GA Anderson profile image87
      GA Andersonposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      I am seeing a lot of criticism of this Strategic Reserve release. I think it would take a lot more than one 50 million barrel bump to affect our gas prices. Apparently, we, (the U.S.), consume around 18 million barrels of oil per day. Can an infusion of 3 days worth of consumption really affect the national market? I don't think so. I think it is simply a move to pander to the public.

      My thought sounds a lot like one of Cred's mantras—we should be happy for this crumb.

      GA

      1. Valeant profile image86
        Valeantposted 2 years agoin reply to this

        Three days if no other oil was being produced.  Which, as usual of Biden's critics, is a half-truth.  Supporting the supply may help for a month, which can give oil producers a chance to improve production.

        1. GA Anderson profile image87
          GA Andersonposted 2 years agoin reply to this

          Slow down bud. That 3-day thing was simply a point of perspective. Honestly provided with no inference that I was relating it to Pres. Biden. You need to be a lot less free with your "Which, as usual of Biden's critics, is a half-truth." denigration. And you should read what is said instead of what you want, or expected to be said. In short, you missed the bus so you are slandering the driver.

          I don't purposely run with any "half-truths." My point was simply to note the long-term insignificance of the move. I still call it a pandering action—no matter who is doing it.

          GA

          1. Valeant profile image86
            Valeantposted 2 years agoin reply to this

            The freedom of claiming Biden's critics use half-truths is more than warranted as it happens frequently.  So, if you're quoting Biden's critics to us, prepare to hear what we think of them.

            And I did read what you said, that three days worth of supply would not affect long term pricing.  What I noted was that supplementing the current supply, which would last more than just three days (hence three days is a half-truth), would provide time to improve production.

            1. GA Anderson profile image87
              GA Andersonposted 2 years agoin reply to this

              I suppose this misunderstanding must be my fault. I haven't been sniffing the winds lately. I didn't know that it was a Biden-critic claim that I was repeating.  I thought it was just my thought on the matter.

              We can come back to this in 3 months, or so, and see what happened; the gas shortages are fixed or more reserve releases offered.

              GA

              1. Valeant profile image86
                Valeantposted 2 years agoin reply to this

                Odd that you started your response to my post with this then:

                'I am seeing a lot of criticism of this Strategic Reserve release.'

                1. GA Anderson profile image87
                  GA Andersonposted 2 years agoin reply to this

                  That sounds as if you are saying it is only Biden-critics that would criticize the move. Or, that any criticism must be Right-wing criticism. 

                  GA

                  1. My Esoteric profile image85
                    My Esotericposted 2 years agoin reply to this

                    I am not sure "criticism" is the right word since, in my wait and see view, it will have a neutral impact - meaning it will neither help nor hurt.  BUT, at least he is trying something.

                    As I have said earlier, I don't think releasing the reserve will have anything more than a less than short-term impact.  Hope I am wrong and it lasts longer than a month or two, but we will see.

      2. Sharlee01 profile image89
        Sharlee01posted 2 years agoin reply to this

        "In 2020, the United States consumed an average of about 18.19 MILLION  barrels of petroleum PER DAY or a total of about 6.66 billion barrels of petroleum. This was the lowest level of annual consumption since 1995. The drop in consumption in 2020 from 2019 was the largest recorded annual decline in U.S. petroleum demand. The decrease was largely the result of the global response to the coronavirus (COVID-19) pandemic."
        Source   https://www.eia.gov/tools/faqs/faq.php?id=33&t=6

        This number would be much much g tighter with our present open economy.

        This 50 million barrels bandaid Biden has applied ---  has driven up the price per barrel Almost immediately.  It makes one wonder where Biden looks for advice..
        "Commodities Oil rises 3% to a one-week high after U.S. taps emergency reserves"
        NEW YORK, Nov 23 (Reuters) - Oil prices rose to a one-week high on Tuesday after a move by the United States and other consumer nations to release tens of millions of barrels of oil from reserves to try to cool the market fell short of some expectations."  https://www.reuters.com/markets/commodi … 021-11-23/
        .
        "U.S. oil dipped 1.9% to a session low of $75.30 per barrel following the announcement, before recovering those losses and moving into positive territory. The contract last traded 1.6% higher at $77.99 per barrel. International benchmark Brent crude stood at $81.44 per barrel, for a gain of 2.2%."
        Nov 23 2021 ---   https://www.cnbc.com/2021/11/23/biden-s … -high.html

          Every day a new problem...

    2. My Esoteric profile image85
      My Esotericposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      I'll be interested in seeing if this works.  I have always had a "drop-in-the-bucket" point of view and have never been convinced this would have even short-term impact (as opposed to immediate-term) in lowering oil (and therefore gas) prices.

    3. Sharlee01 profile image89
      Sharlee01posted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Months ago many big chain outfits "Chartering Private Cargo Ships. The ports are still a mess and it is being reported they are getting worse.

      Some of these retailers, including The Home Depot, Costco and Walmart, are chartering private cargo ships to get around the ports at which there are delays. The strategy is costly — in some cases nearly twice as expensive as moving cargo on the vessels that are more typically used — but this provides the retailers with a way to reroute cargo to less congested docks.

      Because of the cost, The Home Depot is using charters only for the most in-demand products, while Costco is giving priority to seasonal merchandise.

      The country’s rail network, too, is facing snarls and congestion, The Wall Street Journal reported on Saturday (Oct. 9). The problems are being caused by unprecedented activity at ports, a shortage of truck drivers and record demand at some rail hubs.

      Almost as much freight is moved each year by trains as by trucks. One solution that may be seen in the U.S. in the future is autonomous trains, which could increase the capacity of existing rails as much as 50%."

      https://www.pymnts.com/supply-chain/202 … -problems/

      Getting much worse  14 hours ago ---   https://www.bloomberg.com/graphics/2021 … ply-chain/
      https://www.cbsnews.com/news/supply-cha … 021-11-14/

    4. Sharlee01 profile image89
      Sharlee01posted 2 years agoin reply to this

      "In 2020, the United States consumed an average of about 18.19 MILLION  barrels of petroleum PER DAY or a total of about 6.66 billion barrels of petroleum. This was the lowest level of annual consumption since 1995. The drop in consumption in 2020 from 2019 was the largest recorded annual decline in U.S. petroleum demand. The decrease was largely the result of the global response to the coronavirus (COVID-19) pandemic."
      https://www.eia.gov/tools/faqs/faq.php?id=33&t=6
      This number would be much much g tighter with our now open economy.

      This 50 million barrels bandaid has driven up the price per barrel Almost immediately.  It makes one wonder where Biden looks for advice...

      "Commodities Oil rises 3% to a one-week high after U.S. taps emergency reserves"
      NEW YORK, Nov 23 (Reuters) - Oil prices rose to a one-week high on Tuesday after a move by the United States and other consumer nations to release tens of millions of barrels of oil from reserves to try to cool the market fell short of some expectations."  https://www.reuters.com/markets/commodi … 021-11-23/

      "U.S. oil dipped 1.9% to a session low of $75.30 per barrel following the announcement, before recovering those losses and moving into positive territory. The contract last traded 1.6% higher at $77.99 per barrel. International benchmark Brent crude stood at $81.44 per barrel, for a gain of 2.2%."

      Nov 23 2021 ---   https://www.cnbc.com/2021/11/23/biden-s … -high.html

      So you do the math...
      Great problem solver.  Once again a political ploy, that has backfired. Hopefully, the majority of Americans understand his gesture was for nothing but political.

      My heating bill came in today --- double from last Nov...

      1. Valeant profile image86
        Valeantposted 2 years agoin reply to this

        I will do the math and wait longer than 12 hours for the actual action to take hold.  Jesus, let's see how the action plays out longer than a day.  Holy unrealistic expectations.

        And a friendly reminder that comparing gas prices to a once-in-a-lifetime pandemic timeframe really is apples to oranges.  How did it compare to 2019?

        1. Sharlee01 profile image89
          Sharlee01posted 2 years agoin reply to this

          Just offering the experts are saying... This is very laughable, and a very obvious ploy for a Thanksgiving speech. Why did none of this inflation start until Biden walked into the office? Trump had to maneuver a shutdown.

          This president begs OPEC which will cut back 50 million. That's what they do, they have a history of doing just that.  OPEC could also cut its own supply, to keep prices up, or push them even higher a full-out price war. I can't even belives Biden did this --- who in the world is giving him advice or does he come up with this kind of idea on his own?

          He just makes everything worse with misguided policies. Not only for America but the world. I really must laugh, neve have I witnessed this sorry of an administration.

          Biden totally caused the problems we are seeing with energy prices and the growing inflation.

          1. Valeant profile image86
            Valeantposted 2 years agoin reply to this

            Why did none of this inflation begin until Biden walked into office?  Seriously?

            Perhaps when vaccines started getting into arms in December and January, which you blame Trump for, the economies started opening up and demand picked up,  Now those supply chains that broke, again, when Trump was president, could not keep up with the demand of people feeling comfortable re-engaging in the economy.

            As for energy prices, I have shown over and over again how energy production dropped dramatically in 2020 and has not recovered fully while demand has.  Biden shutting down a pipeline that wasn't even close to transporting oil didn't affect prices at all.  Oil production and pricing is a global problem, so to hear you blame Biden for that is comical.  Biden is not king of the world.  Just king of your delusions.

            1. My Esoteric profile image85
              My Esotericposted 2 years agoin reply to this

              One analysis I read showed that American oil companies are partly to blame for the low production numbers.  It seems that during the heyday under Obama and a little under Trump, they went wild with debt in order to drill baby drill. 

              For, what is it, the third time, when oil prices tanked for one reason or another, These oil companies went bust because they couldn't maintain the debt load.

              This time, on the other hand, they seemed to have learned their lesson and are expanding production slowly and wisely and not over-extending themselves as in previous cycles.  Hence, low supply, increasing demand, and increasing prices.

              Agreed, trying to blame Biden's proper decision to stop the dangerous Keystone project (which the owners have now abandoned) is wrong and petty.  Not only was it the correct decision environmentally, it had nothing to do with oil supply.

              Who else is she going to blame since all ills in society are Biden's fault in her mind - pure BDS.

              And Biden understands he is not King, something insane Trump has never accepted that he is not.

            2. Sharlee01 profile image89
              Sharlee01posted 2 years agoin reply to this

              Just not factual...  As I have offered sources to prove over and over...

            3. Sharlee01 profile image89
              Sharlee01posted 2 years agoin reply to this

              https://www.cnbc.com/2021/11/24/oil-hea … alyst.html

              Glad to see CNBC is reporting all the news.

              Hard to keep up on all the articles on Biden's latest action hitting on our oil reserves. 
              ENERGY
              Oil prices are headed for $100 despite U.S. efforts to release reserves, analyst says ---  "Oil prices could climb higher despite U.S.-led efforts to rein them in by releasing millions of barrels kept as strategic reserves, Stephen Schork, editor of the Schork Report, told CNBC.
              Oil prices have jumped more than 50% this year, with demand outstripping supply as more countries emerge from national lockdowns and severe restrictions imposed since last year due to the coronavirus pandemic.
              Eurasia Group analysts warned prior to Biden’s announcement that a large-scale stock release by oil consumers before the next OPEC+ meeting may prompt a countermove by the group, resulting in a “disruptive standoff.”

          2. My Esoteric profile image85
            My Esotericposted 2 years agoin reply to this

            "Why did none of this inflation start until Biden walked into the office?" - I see you had another episode of BDS in order to make the ridiculous statement!  More correct is to blame Trump's mishandling of the pandemic that set up the precursors to inflation after he was kicked out of office

            I see you had your eyes closed during Trump's disastrous four years.

            1. Sharlee01 profile image89
              Sharlee01posted 2 years agoin reply to this

              Noted you ignored the subject --- This president begs OPEC which will cut back 50 million. That's what they do, they have a history of doing just that.  OPEC could also cut its own supply, to keep prices up, or push them even higher a full-out price war. When you spit at OPEC, they spit back. This latest mess Biden created by tapping reserves will cost every country that purchases oil from OPEC. 

              Again Trump handled the virus crisis superbly. The majority of other nations certainly have failed in getting the virus under control. Actually, under Trump, the US put up tons of cash to provide the world with the majority of the vaccines we are all using.

            2. Sharlee01 profile image89
              Sharlee01posted 2 years agoin reply to this

              I AM  not alone...

              Poll: 77% of Americans now say inflation is personally affecting them — and 57% blame Biden  "More than three-quarters of Americans (77 percent) say inflation is affecting their lives as the holiday season begins, according to a new Yahoo News/YouGov poll — and a clear majority (57 percent) blame President Biden.

              The survey of 1,696 U.S. adults, which was conducted from Nov. 17 to 19, also found that more of them selected inflation as the “most important issue facing America” (17 percent) than any other issue, including COVID-19 (15 percent), which continues to kill more than 1,100 Americans each day, on average."
              https://www.aol.com/news/poll-77-percen … 39252.html

              1. My Esoteric profile image85
                My Esotericposted 2 years agoin reply to this

                So what if you are not alone?  Alone in what, btw?  How come 100% of Americans don't say inflation is effecting them - it is, after all.  They would be (and apparently some of them did) lie if they said it wasn't personally effecting them.  I would have said it is personally affecting me.

                But that is notthe real question is it (except for hyperventilating).  The [b]real[/b} question, which wasn't asked, is how badly is inflation affecting you?  Now, the percentages will drop dramatically.  Why, because only a small subset of the population are truly hurt by the small amount of inflation we are experiencing today (which decreased in the last report, btw). 

                Now if inflation were really bad, like in the 1980s, then those numbers would actually mean something in the real world, other than as an indicator of perception problems Democrats are facing.  Right now, they are hiding the fact that the economy is strong and getting stronger with each passing month.

                1. Sharlee01 profile image89
                  Sharlee01posted 2 years agoin reply to this

                  "How come 100% of Americans don't say inflation is affecting them - it is, after all."

                  This does not ring true ---  To be honest, the current inflation has not affected me. Many American's are financially stable. It is the less fortunate that inflation hurts the worse. 

                  Let's wait and see where this inflation heads. I went out on a limb, I say it will become much worse over the next year. Many poor will suffer this winter trying to pay their heat bills alone. We are headed for a big mess. And have someone in the White House that has no clue about problem-solving. He tries to through a bit of money at a problem. No more no less. He will soon OPEC jamming him with rising oil costs. He must be nuts to poke OPEC.  Who do you think would win an oil war?    https://www.forbes.com/sites/arielcohen … 54584d3efd

                  1. My Esoteric profile image85
                    My Esotericposted 2 years agoin reply to this

                    "This does not ring true ---  To be honest, the current inflation has not affected me. " - [i]I would beg to differ.  Unless you don't live in the United States or you buy absolutely nothing then inflation affects you - it is axiomatic.

                    Now, the real question is (which isn't answered by the polls) "do you suffer because of it?"  For you, the answer appears to be no.  It does not negatively impact me either.  While it does negatively affect many people, it is not the 77% you are touting.

                    As I said before, the actions of the public do not coincide with what they tell pollsters.

                  2. My Esoteric profile image85
                    My Esotericposted 2 years agoin reply to this

                    As to Biden's call for OPEC to increase production, your article says this [/i]OPEC and its oil-producing partners have rebuffed President Joe Biden’s calls for increased production amidst rising fuel prices, retorting that if the United States believes the world’s economy needs more energy, then it has the capability to increase production itself. [/i]

                    I happen to agree with them but I think Biden did the right thing in asking anyway - you apparently do not.

                    One thing Biden could do to lower demand is ask Congress to increase the gas tax a dollar a gallon, or something like that.  That would drive down demand and lower oil prices (since it is massive demand that coming out of the pandemic released that is at the root of the high gas prices, not Biden.  Maybe it would be better for everyone if we go back into lockdown so as to stop people from driving, lol.) 

                    Of course lesser issues are the American oil companies themselves.  It seem like they are up to some hanky-panky that is increasing prices to.

  24. Valeant profile image86
    Valeantposted 2 years ago

    The number of Americans applying for first-time jobless claims reached the lowest level since November 1969, with the number of filings dropping to 199,000.

    1. Fayetteville Faye profile image61
      Fayetteville Fayeposted 2 years agoin reply to this

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      1. My Esoteric profile image85
        My Esotericposted 2 years agoin reply to this

        You got that right, lol.

    2. My Esoteric profile image85
      My Esotericposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Other great economic news:
      - Inflation dropped a point to 5.3%
      - Employers added 500,000+ jobs, exceeding expectations
      - Stock market stands at 35,805, so much more higher than where Trump left it.
      - Unemployment rate fell to 4.6% (Trump left it at 6.3%)
      - It may seem strange, but the number of people quitting jobs to look for better jobs has skyrocketed suggesting they think the economy is strong enough to make such a leap.
      - Retail sales are way up.
      - While a majority of the people polled are saying that they "feel" the economy is not good, their "actions" tell the opposite story. (Unfortunately for Democrats, way, way too many people vote on how they feel as opposed to what is really true.)

      One sour note is that while it has been getting better under Biden, there are still almost 1,000,000 more people out of the workforce who want a job than before the pandemic started.

    3. Sharlee01 profile image89
      Sharlee01posted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Yes, this is great, this number indicates unemployment has run out for most, they are heading back to work.

  25. Valeant profile image86
    Valeantposted 2 years ago

    Also, not previously reported....

    As WTI oil prices reached highs of $85 a barrel in October, the Biden administration has been doing everything it can to try to jawbone the price lower.

    In April 2020, President Trump brokered a deal between OPEC members to cut back 10 million barrels a day of oil to support the price of oil. But prices have rallied beyond the level of last year, yet OPEC+ has been slow to release all those barrels back in the market as they are fearful to lose the steam of the rally. OPEC+ countries are massively benefiting from higher prices as it boosts their government spending plans, while the rest of the world, especially the U.S., is not happy about the rally as the oil price is now coming close to hurting the U.S. consumer.


    But again, keep claiming the energy inflation is on Biden.  Sure, it is.

    1. My Esoteric profile image85
      My Esotericposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      "President Trump brokered a deal between OPEC members to cut back 10 million barrels a day of oil to support the price of oil." - Of course, the Right, including those on this forum, mischaracterized that as "begging".  That implies that their solution is to do nothing and let oil prices continue to rise - which is in character for conservatives who rarely want to do what is good for the nation.

      BTW, on the oil reserve release - apparently Biden has gotten many other nations to do the same.  Nevertheless, I am still skeptical of that having even a medium-term impact on prices. I personally think that move will only have a very short-term benefit. (On my trip to work each day, I pass by four gas stations - prices are down 10 cents a gallon in the last week)

  26. Valeant profile image86
    Valeantposted 2 years ago

    I was away.  Did I miss Sharlee accusing Biden of ruining Thanksgiving yet?

  27. Valeant profile image86
    Valeantposted 2 years ago

    I'm not sure why we all argue with Sharlee about Biden.  In her view, he is a disaster.  But this is the same person that believes Trump's response to Covid was amazing.  That's very telling in that you've got to be in another reality completely to believe that.

    1. My Esoteric profile image85
      My Esotericposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      I sort of agree but am forced to respond to set the record straight.  So much of the comments are straight out of the right-wing playbook of misinformation and lies, most of which originate from Russian propaganda, that it has to be fought at every turn.

      So many people incorrectly believe that way because of the Mesmer Trump that America is in serious danger of collapsing.

      One great example is the response to the pandemic.  Because Trump botched the response to it so badly and actively played into and amplified Republican fears, 1) hundreds of thousands of Americans are dead that shouldn't be (800,000 are dead now, most avoidable), 2) there are still 1000+ avoidable deaths a day from it, and 3) we are totally unprepared to fight off the omicron variant because 42% of Americans, mostly Republicans, are unvaccinated.  This situation is largely on Trump because he lied about the dangers of Covid at the beginning, had a very tepid and mixed response after that, and has actively done and said things to make the situation much, much worse thereby influencing his cult to put themselves and others in danger.

      Will Trump be remember as one of the mass-killers in history?  I wouldn't doubt it.

      Biden needs to institute a vaccine mandate!  Even if he loses in court, which I don't think he will, millions more will be vaccinated before Republicans can stop it and help some of the remainder die as well.

      1. Sharlee01 profile image89
        Sharlee01posted 2 years agoin reply to this

        It has been reported the current vaccine may not even work on the new strain. So a mandate would beat this moment a foolish way to solve this problem. He needs to get facts on how effective the vaccines are on this much worse mutated strain. Otherwise, Americans will be very pissed off if they booster, and it has no effect. he better cool his jets or once again he will come out with lots of Americans realizing he has once again created a big problem. If people booster, and find the old vaccine is useless, and the fact is they would not be allegeable to take the new tweaked vaccine for about six months. They would then be open to contracting the new virus.

        Yesterday he was out there pushing the booster... Every day he creates confusion... Wish they would keep him out of the public until virologists see what we are dealing with this new strain.

        Too bad he just could not get enough people to take the vaccine back when he came into office, we would not be dealing with serious mutations. But Joe was busy canceling out all that was Trump, sending the country into inflation, leaving Americans in Afghanistan, and so much more...

        Now we can look forward to what the UK and much of Europe are dealing with and very serious mutated virus.  All but Sweden... 

        Looks like Joe has his own virus now, brand new, most likely with no vaccines that at this point will be effective. Let's see what he does...  I am also hoping to find out when he was told about this new strain.

        1. Valeant profile image86
          Valeantposted 2 years agoin reply to this

          Too bad the same media you ascribe to listen to and think is so great were the same people running a media campaign designed to convince people not to get vaccinated.

          Or to a president that did not tell his base he got vaccinated until the media reported it.  He got it in January, at the White House.  If he really wanted to help the country, that should have been a public display just like every other current and former president did.  Then he immediately backtracks when his base boos him for suggesting they do the right thing and get vaccinated instead of doing the brave thing and continue to promote the right way to beat the pandemic. 

          But, of course, it's all Biden's fault in your mind.  Try assigning blame where it actually goes for once.

          And as for helping the rest of the world beat it too, Biden has the US out in front in terms of sending vaccines abroad.  Just because your media doesn't report it, doesn't mean he hasn't made us a leader on that front:
          https://www.npr.org/sections/goatsandso … first-step

          1. Sharlee01 profile image89
            Sharlee01posted 2 years agoin reply to this

            I think it foolish to assume anyone media was running propaganda in regard to the Vaccine. I looked to the science, and pretty much offered my opinion on where this would all end up if we did not get the majority vaccinated early. We are just where I figured we would end up. A virus that followed a path that would have it mutating into something worse.  I am sure Biden was warned of this, it is the science of viruses. Well, Biden may just have his own pandemic. Let's see how he handles it.

            I do realize Biden has recently started providing vaccines to other less fortunate countries. Day late dollar short. This is where we needed a president that worked quickly, Biden as did other countries did not work quickly enough. Hopefully, our vaccines will have a bit of an effect on the new virus.  I have no particular media.

            1. My Esoteric profile image85
              My Esotericposted 2 years agoin reply to this

              "I think it foolish to assume anyone media was running propaganda in regard to the Vaccine." - And why do you think it is "foolish" when they do it day-in and day-out?

              One letter to the editor - https://www.stltoday.com/opinion/mailba … 8cd4f.html

              "on Monday, host Sean Hannity looked straight into the camera to deliver a clear message: “It absolutely makes sense for many Americans to get vaccinated. I believe in science. I believe in the science of vaccinations.” (that is called lip service because) Yet Hannity followed up his statement by interviewing a woman protesting her college’s requirement that students be vaccinated, a segment appealing to people skeptical of the immunization push. His prime-time colleagues, Tucker Carlson and Laura Ingraham, opened their own programs by questioning vaccination efforts."
              https://apnews.com/article/joe-biden-he … 422381a972

              https://www.cnn.com/videos/media/2021/1 … rs-vpx.cnn

              You can watch Fox's anti-vaccine message at https://www.cnn.com/videos/media/2021/0 … ay-vpx.cnn

              https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/202 … ying-covid

              https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2021/07 … tas-spread

              It has been much earlier that "recently".  How about June, as soon as we had sufficient surplus. https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefing-roo … e-nations/

              So your "day late and dollar short" trope misses the mark by a mile.

              "We are just where I figured we would end up. " - Absolutely.  If your side had not been so resistant, we would have been in a much better place and many of them would be alive today rather than their families wishing they hadn't been so stupid and got vaccinated like you did.

              "I have no particular media" - Your comments suggest otherwise since you almost always amplify their false propaganda.

            2. Valeant profile image86
              Valeantposted 2 years agoin reply to this

              It would be more accurate to call this the Trump supporter pandemic since Biden's followers are vaccinated at around 90%, more than enough for a herd immunity.

              Where we needed a president who worked quickly?  Like when Trump set the goal to get 20 million vaccinated before leaving office and then only got about 1/10 of that done?  Selective memory again to omit the Trump failures?

              And to say you have no media, when all we have to do is view Fox News' reporting and wait 12 hours for your newest thread to be posted is quite disingenuous. 

              For example, your latest thread:  https://hubpages.com/politics/forum/353 … s-for-help

              Not one, but two links to your favorite propaganda network.

              1. Sharlee01 profile image89
                Sharlee01posted 2 years agoin reply to this

                I have made it rather clear that I do get most of my news online. And I do check fox frequently, and go from there to research any given report.  I like to have three or four sources before I post a thread.  As a rule, Fox, AP, Reuters, Bloomberg ABC, are quick to put out articles. Actually Fox and AP are the first to hit with reports online.

                Both pretty much report a story with little bias in the online articles. 
                I feel rather secure with the information I post in my threads. Yes, they are geared to report Biden, and what he is up to currently. And yes, it's apparent most here on HP do not find what I post on my threads chat-worthy.  So, I will admit, I certainly have been losing interest in posting threads. I think I will leave that up to others that post here, and chime in if interested.

                1. My Esoteric profile image85
                  My Esotericposted 2 years agoin reply to this

                  Again, Sharlee, you may view those four, but since I read stories from three of those, your comments do not often reflect the neutral bias of their news content.  That said, you do link to many opinion pieces for far-right commentators that appear in your preferred sources.

                  I have also noticed that when you do you use a neutral news article, it seems it is almost always with a Fox Opinion, Brietbart, OAN type of spin.  Frankly, it is often hard to tell you, Tucker Carlson, or Sean Hannity apart.

                  It is the left-leaning bias that limits my use of outlets like VOX, MSNBC, and Daily Kos.  When I do, it is because they are reporting news and not opinion.

    2. Sharlee01 profile image89
      Sharlee01posted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Not only Sharlee feels Biden is a disaster--- The majority of American's feel as I do.  Hey, appears you may be in the minority.

  28. Sharlee01 profile image89
    Sharlee01posted 2 years ago

    It's very clear, snd I don't hide I lean right... I can honestly say I do not use  Breitbart, OAN  as reference sources.  I try to stay current, and yes, most of the news out of this administration is negative. Thus far, I have found nothing positive to discuss in regard to the Biden bunch.  I did feel the infrastructure bill had a few positives but was initiated at the wrong time. Otherwise, very disappointed in anything Biden.

    1. My Esoteric profile image85
      My Esotericposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      I didn't say you did use OAN, etc as sources  What I said was that many of your comments read as if you did. For example, you claim that most of the news out of Biden's administration is negative when it is not.  You have previously claimed that most of the things Trump did were positive for America, and they were not.

      When was the right time for the infrastructure bill - another 20 years?

      Since you are a Trump-type conservative, it stands to reason you are "very disappointed in anything Biden." 

      Even I can find a few good things Trump has done, e.g. the vaccine, I say so unequivocally.  As I recall, there were a few foreign policy moves (Afghanistan was not one of them) Trump made that I could agree with, and I have commented on those as well.  There were also a couple of domestic policies I liked.  But by-and-large, Trump set America backwards by many decades - back to the Ugly American era at least and domestically, he has seriously reduced liberty and freedom for minorities in America.  Then, of course, is his greatest blunder, his response to the pandemic.

      When you turn to Biden, the ONLY really bad thing you can chalk up to Biden is following Trump's plan to leave Afghanistan.  In my view,

      - the border crisis is largely from Right-Wing propaganda that the border is open, when it wasn't. And Biden's slow response is a result of the decimation of the processing infrastructure that occurred under Trump - it takes awhile to put humpty-dumpty back together again.

      - the fact that we haven't made it to herd immunity (or at least gotten close) in the pandemic is because most of the Right-Wing refuse to get their shots.  I am appreciative that you are not one of those while I am getting angrier at the unvaccinated lady who gave me Covid is still unvaccinated.  I may ban her from my house even though she is the partner of my vaccinated step-son.

      - I don't consider the current state of inflation to be a crisis.  What I see is a whole bunch of people not using their brains to understand why it is happening and overreacting.

      I am not sure what else is worthy of note other than the Democrats penchant for shooting themselves in the foot.

      1. Sharlee01 profile image89
        Sharlee01posted 2 years agoin reply to this

        "When was the right time for the infrastructure bill - another 20 years?"
        Perhaps not in a period of inflation.

        Yes, my conservative views go against all of Biden's policies thus far. Very disappointed with his performance, and his demeanor

        I supported. the Afgan pull out, just not his poor plan to initiate it.

        "unvaccinated lady who gave me Covid is still unvaccinated. "

        Both vaccinated and unvaccinated can spread the virus. So, it appears you know who you contracted the virus from. You could have well contracted it from a vaccinated person. yes, if we could have gotten a great majority vaccinated we may not have seen DELTA, and now another variant. But, it is what it is at this point the cat is well out of the bag. This virus is mutating more quickly, hopefully, it will destroy itself in the next years. We are now open to getting any and all mutations, vaccinated or not. We now need a vaccine to be tweaked year after year to help cut down variants that will come from COVID.

        I don't think a whole bunch of people not using their brains in regard to inflation matter a lick to those that can't pay their bills. So although inflation may not be a crisis to you, I would well assume it is a very serious crisis for the less fortunate that can't pay their bills.

        1. My Esoteric profile image85
          My Esotericposted 2 years agoin reply to this

          "I supported. the Afgan pull out, just not his poor plan to initiate it." - This is sort of what I am talking about.  Biden didn't initiate the pull out of Afghanistan, Trump did.  What Biden didn't do, because for a very long time he wanted out of there, was reverse what Trump had started.  In my view, this is where your Trump Can Do No Wrong believe causes problems.

          The only change Biden made to Trump's plan was to put it off for a few months, from May (I think) to the end of August.  Other changes he made was he ramped up the special visa program that Trump let lay dormant.

          In my view, Biden should have put Trump's withdrawal plans on hold, put the troops Trump pulled out back in and then reassess the situation.  At the very least, since Biden was not going to stay there, he could have taken the time to crank up the special visa program, started pulling our allies and Americans who wanted to leave out of there, all the while preparing for a much more orderly withdrawal that might have given the Afghans more of a chance to survive.

          But No, he was so focused on pulling out, he chose to follow Trump's failed plan.  Is Biden at fault for the debacle, of course he is.  But, his error was following Trump's lead on this one thing.

          "Both vaccinated and unvaccinated can spread the virus. " - [i]Again, in order to protect the Right-Wing, you deflect away from the true culprit, the unvaccinated.  It was like Trump saying there were good people on both sides of the Charlottesville riots.  No there weren't.  There were very few good Nazi's, White Supremist, and White Nationalists that organized and attended the so-called "protest".  Trump put them on equal footing with those who oppose their god-forsaken goals.

          Likewise, you just put the vaccinated on the same footing as the unvaccinated.  While "technically" true a vaccinated person can pass on the virus, the chances of that happening (which you fail to mention) is miniscule.  On the other hand, unvaccinated people are an unmitigated danger to their kids, family, friends, and strangers.


          "So, it appears you know who you contracted the virus from. You could have well contracted it from a vaccinated person" - Yes I knew her and NO, I could not have "well" contracted it from a vaccinated person.  That is the point of vaccines: 1) it goes a very long way to preventing you from getting sick and 2) it goes a very long way to preventing you from passing the virus to someone else.  They are not on equal footing as you want to make it out to be for some reason.  "Could" I have gotten it from a vaccinated person? Of course.  "Could" I get struck by lightening in the next five minutes? Of course.  Both have about the same chance of happening.

          Can you explain why it is you think vaccinated people are just as dangerous as unvaccinated people?

          Since Delta predates the ramp up to vaccination, it was unavoidable.  But since most on the Left and many independents did get vaccinated before July, Delta is largely circulating and killing Republicans.  There are more than a 1,000 people dying from Covid today (10,000 every 10 days, 100,000 every hundred days) and only a handful of them should be dying  Why do you seem to find that OK?

          "This virus is mutating more quickly, hopefully, it will destroy itself in the next years." - Unfortunately, that is not the way viruses work once they become endemic, which Covid has.

          "vaccinated or not" - That still remains to be seen.  Right now they hope the current vaccines, with boosters, can fight off Omnicron.like it does Delta.  What I hear most is they think current vaccinations will reduce the severity and prevent deaths of anyone who contracts it.  The worst case, which they think is unlikely right now is that current vaccines will have little effect. 

          If the latter turns out to be the case, fortunately, the science is so far along that coming up with another vaccine shouldn't be that difficult.  Then we will be back to the same dynamic, most Democrats with get vaccinated and be protected while most Republicans will not and continue to die off.


          "I don't think a whole bunch of people not using their brains in regard to inflation matter a lick to those that can't pay their bills. " - Seems like that is a non-sequitur. What has one got to do with the other?  What is ironic about those not being able to pay their bills because of inflation are the same people that Republicans refuse to help.

          1. Sharlee01 profile image89
            Sharlee01posted 2 years agoin reply to this

            "Likewise, you just put the vaccinated on the same footing as the unvaccinated.  While "technically" true a vaccinated person can pass on the virus, the chances of that happening (which you fail to mention) is minuscule. "   Just not correct.


            You are wrong on so many points --- First, you may want to update your information on how the vaccinated can and do spread COVID since the DELTA variant. I do know you truely believe if you say it, it's true.  However, science says differently.

            "When early field data showed that vaccinating people cuts transmission of the SARS-CoV-2 virus, researchers were cautiously optimistic. But they warned that many of those studies, although promising, took place before the fast-spreading Delta variant proliferated worldwide. Now, reports from various countries seem to confirm what scientists feared after the variant tore through India with alarming speed in April and May: Delta is more likely than other variants to spread through vaccinated people.

            Data from COVID-19 tests in the United States, the United Kingdom and Singapore are showing that vaccinated people who become infected with Delta SARS-CoV-2 can carry as much virus in their nose as do unvaccinated people. This means that despite the protection offered by vaccines, a proportion of vaccinated people can pass on Delta, possibly aiding its rise.  “People who have a Delta virus and happen to have ‘breakthrough’ infections can carry these really high levels of virus, and can unwittingly spread the virus to others,” says David O’Connor, a virologist at the University of Wisconsin–Madison."   Source --  https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-021-02187-1

            The vaccine even with a booster will provide much less protection with Omnicron. I would say it will be reported that it might give very small protection against Omnicron. They will tweak our current vaccine to accommodate the new strain. I have read several articles that say the new strain although spread easily has mild symptoms.


            https://www.reuters.com/world/africa/sa … 021-11-28/
            https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles … xpert-says
            https://www.bbc.com/news/world-59442129
            https://abcnews.go.com/Health/live-upda … d=81323456

            1. My Esoteric profile image85
              My Esotericposted 2 years agoin reply to this

              "First, you may want to update your information on how the vaccinated can and do spread COVID since the DELTA variant" - Didn't I say exactly that? In fact, my statement was even broader, the vaccinated "could" spread the virus even before Delta.

              From your source:

              [i]Emerging data suggest that Delta could
              (note, he didn't say "will") spread more readily than other coronavirus variants among people vaccinated against COVID-19. But key questions remain. (reading your comment, it seems like there is NO questions remaining.

              “People who have a Delta virus and happen to have ‘breakthrough’ infections can carry these really high levels of virus, - which you reported but notice my emphasis.  The point here is very few vaccinated people (1 in 5000!) have breakthrough infections.  To interpret what you write, you seem to think almost ALL vaccinated people get infected, which is patently untrue but explains why you seem to believe that the vaccinated are just as dangerous to others as the unvaccinated.

              It is that fact that makes vaccinated people orders of magnitude safer than unvaccinated people.  Something which you apparently don't agree with regardless of the science and logic.

              1. Sharlee01 profile image89
                Sharlee01posted 2 years agoin reply to this

                The article is very current and contradicts your opinion. Not sure where and when you pulled this info from "The point here is very few vaccinated people (1 in 5000!) have breakthrough infections."

                It is not me interpreting anything I simply quoted an article ... And I said nothing about how many vaccinated become infected or have breakthrough infections.  That would be  ---   David O’Connor, a virologist at the University of Wisconsin–Madison

                I would assume he knows a bit more than you or me...

                Read the entire article it may update you on current information.

                1. My Esoteric profile image85
                  My Esotericposted 2 years agoin reply to this

                  "It is not me interpreting anything I simply quoted an article ... And I said nothing about how many vaccinated become infected or have breakthrough infections. " - You quoted an article, again without the proper context, to prove a point you are making, otherwise there is no reason to quote it in the first place. What is the point you have been making all along? That vaccinated people are as dangerous as unvaccinated people.  For example, to my comment

                  "Likewise, you just put the vaccinated on the same footing as the unvaccinated.  While "technically" true a vaccinated person can pass on the virus, the chances of that happening (which you fail to mention) is minuscule. ", you wrote

                  .
                  "You are wrong on so many points --- First, you may want to update your information on how the vaccinated can and do spread COVID since the DELTA variant. " Period. No qualifications, no context, just a flat out statement that my statement that vaccinated people are A LOT less dangerous than the unvaccinated.   You disagree with that and you tried to use your quote is proof you are right - when you are not.

                  Here is another example of you claiming the vaccinated are just as dangerous as the unvaccinated.

                  "However at this point, as my article claims the vaccinated at this point are just as capable of spreading the virus as the unvaccinated. "  - I rest my case.  You couldn't have been any clearer.

            2. peoplepower73 profile image88
              peoplepower73posted 2 years agoin reply to this

              Sharlee: Here is my two cents (Three cents with inflation)  I'm going to be cynical.  I believe there is a natural order to  things.   If  one  is not  in step with that order then it will reject you from the system.  Those who don't get vaccinated and  die from Covid are reducing the size of their gene pool. 

              That means they are no longer a threat to those of us who have been vaccinated.  This country was founded on "We the People", not "Me the Person."  But there are many causes for the Me Factor, including politics, pure ignorance, misinformation from political websites that are in it just for the money and could care less if you die, and those who believe that they have strong immune systems.

              Unless we can all realize, it is a global pandemic and treat as if humanity is at war with this enemy, I don't believe we will ever conquer it.  You are right the virus is going to continue to mutate for its own survival. 

              People need to be educated as to what it really is, not like Fox News and its cohorts who are just in it for the money and could care less who dies from their misinformation.

              You talk about the science.  Here is the latest science on the risk that unvaccinated people are placing on themselves and others.


              https://www.newscientist.com/article/22 … vid-death/

              1. Sharlee01 profile image89
                Sharlee01posted 2 years agoin reply to this

                "Sharlee: Here is my two cents (Three cents with inflation)  I'm going to be cynical.  I believe there is a natural order to  things.   If  one  is not  in step with that order then it will reject you from the system.  Those who don't get vaccinated and  die from Covid are reducing the size of their gene pool. "

                This is a given... certainly decrease the number of human beings on earth. And they are no longer a threat to spread the virus.

                I have been saying from the very first days of the virus --- educate the people about viruses, what they are; that they can't be destroyed by medications; that they can be controlled with vaccines; how vaccines fight a virus and laterally build up antibodies to deter them, and if a population can build a herd with vaccines we can make them mutate to try to get around the antibodies and soon mutate to a weakened virus that does less harm to the host. Add in the fact if the virus goes unchecked it can become worse unchecked, and kill more readily.  American's were talked at not talked to from the very start. They just did not have all the pertinent information to perhaps make a more educated decision. on the importance of getting vaccinated.

                I certainly am aware of the dangers of being unvaccinated. I  returned to work when asked by the state to come out of retirement in the worst of COVID, I maintaining IVs on COVID units. I know what COVID can do. I certainly know many would not have died if they could have had a vaccine available in the first 8 months before the vaccines were available.

                It shocked me to see many take a stance against getting vaccinated. I really feel education was needed. It might have worked to have more take others into consideration in regards to spreading COVID. I feel if we could have built a good herd out children would not have needed to be vaccinated.

                In my opinion, none of the networks handled COVID properly, they used it as a rating grabber and literally turned it into a political blood bath.

                Instead of doing their job, which could have been to educate, bring American's together for one cause. Even now with the new mutation, we have the two sides digging in to spread fear, and blame. All before we have all the pertinent information.


                So yes the unvaccinated have a higher risk of death. However at this point, as my article claims the vaccinated at this point are just as capable of spreading the virus as the unvaccinated. Until DELTA came along the vaccinated carried small loads of virus, and were less apt to spread the virus. It's very discouraging at this point I have the same ability to infect my loved ones with the virus. And we also know one can get the virus over and over... So where does this leave us?  Now we see as many breakthrough infections in the vaccinated. So far less die if vaccinated. But now we have a new mutation which most likely our vaccination will offer little protection due to being so removed from the original COVID virus.  We will now need to wait for a tweaked vaccine and start all over if this new mutation is virulent.  If it's not we can say we dodged a bullet.

                1. My Esoteric profile image85
                  My Esotericposted 2 years agoin reply to this

                  "It's very discouraging at this point I have the same ability to infect my loved ones with the virus." - Again you are wrong, your own article proves it.  If you catch the Delta variant, THEN, and only then, are you carrying around a large viral load.  Go back and ready your own quotes from your article.

                  "Now we see as many breakthrough infections in the vaccinated. " - Wrong again!  There is only one breakthrough infection for ever 5000 vaccinated people.  That is just a fact based on science.

                  1. peoplepower73 profile image88
                    peoplepower73posted 2 years agoin reply to this

                    Scott:   This is what is wrong with this country on so many levels. If Lara Logan had an opinion that would be one thing, but to broadcast this to millions of people is criminal in my book. She  doesn't care if she causes deaths as long as she gets the ratings. The irony is her broadcasts can actually cause people to die, just the thing that she is blaming on Dr. Fauci.

                    https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/th … li=BBnb7Kz

              2. My Esoteric profile image85
                My Esotericposted 2 years agoin reply to this

                A little irony, PeoplePower.  Did you know that "I believe there is a natural order to  things.   " is a belief that real conservatives hang their hat on.  Albeit, it is in the context of God setting the order of things, which I don't think was your assumption.  :-)

                Also, one of those things that differentiate conservatives from liberals is conservatives absolutely believe in Me the Person while liberals absolutely believe in We the People.  You see that in everything each side says or does.

                I think there has been plenty of education about Covid.  We are now at a place where those who listened to it are vaccinated and living while those who tuned it out are unvaccinated and many, 1000+ a day, are dying.

                As you said, the Republican gene pool keeps getting smaller daily.

                1. wilderness profile image94
                  wildernessposted 2 years agoin reply to this

                  "Also, one of those things that differentiate conservatives from liberals is conservatives absolutely believe in Me the Person while liberals absolutely believe in We the People. "

                  This I would agree with, given that "We the People" means "Those on the Committee", or perhaps "Our Politicians".  Certainly liberals do not believe that individuals are responsible, or capable, of making the "right" decisions.

  29. Valeant profile image86
    Valeantposted 2 years ago

    You want a cause of inflation, the change in spending from services to goods is putting much pressure on those already weakened supply chains.

    https://www.businessinsider.com/america … is-2021-10

  30. Valeant profile image86
    Valeantposted 2 years ago

    Some are starting to note the positive effects of the Biden presidency:

    https://www.yahoo.com/news/opinion-time … 01040.html

    1. peoplepower73 profile image88
      peoplepower73posted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Valeant:  Thanks for the good  news.

    2. My Esoteric profile image85
      My Esotericposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      But none of that matters Valeant because inflation is at a fairly low level of 5.6%, lol.

  31. Valeant profile image86
    Valeantposted 2 years ago

    "This is not some back-of-the-napkin approximation. According to a groundbreaking new working paper by Carter C. Price and Kathryn Edwards of the RAND Corporation, had the more equitable income distributions of the three decades following World War II (1945 through 1974) merely held steady, the aggregate annual income of Americans earning below the 90th percentile would have been $2.5 trillion higher in the year 2018 alone. That is an amount equal to nearly 12 percent of GDP—enough to more than double median income—enough to pay every single working American in the bottom nine deciles an additional $1,144 a month. Every month. Every single year." TIME Magazine

    https://hubstatic.com/15810642_f1024.jpg

  32. Valeant profile image86
    Valeantposted 2 years ago

    I guess Joe Biden's policies have been a global disaster.  I kid.  Inflation is a global problem and our economy has come back strongest, hence, one of the higher inflation increases.  But it's plain to see that this is not an isolated problem to the United States and that blaming Biden for this issue is pretty naive.

    https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2 … increases/

  33. Valeant profile image86
    Valeantposted 2 years ago

    This is a global problem caused by the pandemic, not just a US problem.  But I do appreciate your fact-based post instead of an assignment of blame on this occasion.

    1. Sharlee01 profile image89
      Sharlee01posted 2 years agoin reply to this

      The pandemic certainly is part of the problem. I think there are many variables that are causing this period of inflation, problems that we should have seen coming, and should at this point see we need fixes, and the fix is not to pour gas (more cash) on a burning fire. The cash that was poured in over the past months was a big part of the problem.

      The fed is meeting today, and most likely will raise interest rates, and make money harder to get. At least the Fed is on it.

      I would think this news will get some in congress thinking it might not be time for BBB.

      1. My Esoteric profile image85
        My Esotericposted 2 years agoin reply to this

        Pick your poison, Sharlee, no ARC and going back into a recession or have an ARC and suffer through temporary inflation.  Personally, I prefer the latter choice.

        Was ARC responsible for the current inflation?  This analysis thinks not so much.

        https://www.epi.org/blog/fiscal-policy- … etter-act/

  34. Sharlee01 profile image89
    Sharlee01posted 2 years ago

    I just love your skill at making it all so clear...  I don't think I ever disagree with you. Ever.

  35. Valeant profile image86
    Valeantposted 2 years ago

    Annual Average Deficit by President for the last four Presidents:

    Trump:  $1.65 trillion (4 years)
    Obama:  $850 billion (8 years)
    W. Bush:  $412 billion (8 years)
    Clinton:  $8 billion surplus (8 years)

    Average by year:
    GOP Average:  $825 billion (12 years)
    DEM Average:  $420 billion (16 years)

  36. Valeant profile image86
    Valeantposted 2 years ago

    For those still in denial that systemic racism remains an issue:

    https://www.yahoo.com/news/senate-confi … 13942.html

    1. GA Anderson profile image87
      GA Andersonposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Oh gawwwd Valeant.  I shouldn't be surprised by your stretching abilities.

      I think your link would be a better example of systemic politiciansism than racism.  Considering the item, (political positions), being gauged, I would have been okay with even higher disparities.

      GA

      1. My Esoteric profile image85
        My Esotericposted 2 years ago<