What are the Great Things President Joe Biden Has Done While President
Biden working on those supply chain issues caused during the pandemic.
https://www.yahoo.com/finance/m/27674db … -ease.htmlThere are definitely things he can do to help improve the situation but the ultimate solution is with those who got us in this situation to begin with - basically from greed.
Decades ago, because of the efficient worldwide supply chains, business's, writ large, decided to forgo inventories for profit. In doing so they played Russian roulette with the economy betting that "just-in-time" supply chain management will never be disrupted. Well, with the pandemic, the bullet was finally chambered and fired.
The reverberations for shooting ourselves in the economic head will be long and painful.Deleted
Biden, better beware, as the latest polls which is coming from America show that more and more Americans are feeling that Trump is going to be back and I am also sure about it also. Biden can start looking at the hourglass.
Biden was always a one-term option. He was the moderate, white guy that could pull some votes from the right and that's exactly what he did.
In my view, Biden is certainly a president that failed quickly in his first year. And will be ready to retire He is bringing the entire party down with him. However, I don't think it is him making these disastrous decisions. Hopefully, when he leax=ves the office he will write a book, and tell all...
Why no one takes you up on it is because your doom and gloom predictions completely ignore history where Democratic policies stabilized the country and then led to economic growth, most of the time while reducing deficits. It's a waste to engage your fearmongering, for that is all it is.
In other fortunate and pretty news, jobless claims down to pandemic lows: https://www.yahoo.com/news/us-jobless-c … 20277.htmlIt is an amitted gloom and doom attitude, it is my true opinion. I also will say, and again a view, this is not the Democratic Party of the past, not even close.
And the threads I offered were simply current events. Current events that did not draw interest here at HP's forum. The reality is the subject was not Trump., which drew no interest from the few that still post here. As GA said "forums have gone from dozens of participating voices to less than a dozen regulars"
You certainly fearmongered when it suits you. to get your opinion across. Why would you expect me to do differently when expressing my views?
I certainly intend to post current events, I don't care if they are not palatable to some. I have no problem with crickets, if my subjects are unsuitable I am very sure HP will remove them.
And you know what, those that complain about what we are discussing should voice their opinion or better yet post a few threads to their liking.
Trump is still current because many of the problems you blame Biden for started under Trump, so we have to keep bringing you back to the fact that Biden gets tasked with solving them while you falsely claim he started them.
If you find us discussing the root causes of many of the issues you then complain about to be bashing, that's on you. I doubt we'd bother bashing as much if you didn't always post threads that immediately went on with such blatantly partisan and often misguided attacks. Most of the time it's Biden did this, Biden did that. Often, it's not an issue you discuss but your disdain for Biden on display, which gets met equally with how much others have for Trump. Just look at the majority of your thread titles - they have either Biden or Harris in the title. Your endless blame game is like watching someone beating a dead horse.Take up the bashing bit with GA -- I don't agree Trump left that Biden problems. I find that ridiculous. Biden is president now, he created each and every problem we are facing at this point. Trump left him three vaccines too bad he could not come up with a plan to get them out quicker and instill trust in Americans instead of doubt.
Biden has created all his own problems and does it daily. Now he has the shipping mess. As I said about a week ago what's next. I guess I got my answer.
Yes, most of my threads contain the name Biden he is the current president, he is creating problems daily. I certainly have not posted a thread that is not current, and truthful.
You don't like my post, pass them by. I certainly pick and choose what and who I respond to. And you certainly are not going to stop me from posting what I choose. Thus far HP has not removed any of my threads.
So, if my threads offend you, pass them by... Or report them if you feel they are not appropriate. I have no intent to walk on eggshells when it comes to Biden.
Not sure how you get off accusing anyone of beating a dead horse. A bit funny I would say.Thank you proving my point and your constant blaming.
Supply chains got damaged right from the start of the pandemic. Now, Biden is trying to fix what was broken under Trump's term. Trump literally hid the fact that he got vaccinated for months from his supporters, leaving Fox News to run their anti-vax propaganda to cast doubt about the simple path forward to moving past the pandemic. The far-right is great about casting doubt about normal things like, you know, elections, vaccines, Trump crimes. That you blame Biden for the far-right having doubts is definitely comical.
I pass by many of your ridiculous threads, even when you come into other threads like this one and try to beg people to go post in them so you can have your far-right regurgitation validated.LOL --- All I can say is I hope he fixes whatever you're talking about quickly. He has a sh-t load of problems piling up. You know it looks like the pandemic is on its way out. Thanks to vaccines. Wonder what he will have to talk about? Maybe Trump...
I will walk away from this conversation ---- getting really repetitive, like head-spinning repetitive.Sharlee: You say you are being truthful with your comments about Biden. Let me remind you used this term in your comments "Biden is a failed president." How is that truthful when it is in the past tense? You are so wound up on making Biden look bad to satisfy your cognitive dissonance you don't even realize what your comments say. Even if it is your opinion it is wrong.
By the way I like the way you side stepped my comment about Trump's excellent problem solving skills with the wall and also the two cameras that are trained on the bridge in Del Rio Texas. All you said is they will be back and LOL. How is that truthful when it is nothing more than your biased opinion. You don't realize that self aggrandizing your truthfulness is not always the truth, especially when you have been proven wrong many times."Sharlee: You say you are being truthful with your comments about Biden. Let me remind you used this term in your comments "Biden is a failed president."
In my view, he has failed, failed quickly, and made his own problems. I will stick by my view... We have new problems daily. the newest the shipping problems at our coasts. This was built from early spring, ignored, and now we have a big problem. How in the hell you can't see this man is not presidential material is beyond me. However, you have your view, I have mine.
Your opinion is wrong... My opinion is supported by facts. You don't dispute the truth of my comments, you just dispute my opinions. and that I came to my opinion from the facts.
It's clear my comments bother you. I can defend my facts, but you don't go there... You can't move beyond that we all have a right to our own opinion. It is clear we have no respect for one another's opinions. I certainly need not defend my opinion if I choose not to.
Not sure if you have noted, I don't ask anyone here to account or defend their individual views. Because I have no right to come out assuming that I have that right.
I did address your Mexico wall inquiry ---
https://hubpages.com/politics/forum/352 … ost4206580
We all know what Trump said about Mexico paying for the wall. We also know many that campaign for president promises the moon... I need not give examples. I do feel that the wall was a good idea, and border patrol agents have claimed the wall was working well in the areas it was built.
Not sure if you realize contractors were paid to build the wall, and any outstanding contracts will be paid in full. Yet Biden ordered building that all was paid for, be stopped... And this is what it cost to stop construction. This is once again an example of in my opinion very poor problem-solving.
Biden Spending $3 Million Per Day to Not Build Border Wall
Report finds as much as $3 Billion wasted since the inauguration
https://cis.org/Law/Biden-Spending-3-Mi … order-Wall
Hey, you brought up the wall--- This morning they announced record numbers of drugs are getting across the border due to Biden border policies. Every day a new horrendous problem, that could have been averted with better decision making. The wall is needed now more than ever.
https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/fentany … d=77744071
https://www.sandiegouniontribune.com/ne … -at-border
I could not find a comment that you mentioned cameras at Del Rio bridge? Not sure what that referred to. Offer a permalink to that comment.Sharlee: I'm sure you have noticed that I always try to backup my comments with the source where I got the information, usually with a link to the source. You are entitled to your opinion and your views. But by the same token, I'm entitled to dispute those views.
As I said before, Trump is still putting himself front and center by perpetuating his big lie and his circus like rallies. Now he and his cohorts are trying to go above the law by ignoring the subpoenas for Jan. 6. and claiming executive privilege
Last time I looked, Bannon was in contempt of congress and may go to jail. I don't call that out of the news. As far as using past tense goes, Trump failed his re-election and that is the truth.
You say I jumped into your thread and changed the subject. I wouldn't have to do that if you would have commented on the wall and Del Rio when I presented it.. but nice try anyway. I'm on vacation and been away from my computer for a few days. That's why it looked like a just jumped in. Sorry about that.I never disputed or belittled your view. Did I say you did not use sources? Yes, as an open forum you are free to dispute my views. I don't find much being reported about Trump at all. I truly feel Trump is pretty much shut out, not provided a forum frequently. He has a right to do rallies. I assume our legal system will handle the subpoena problem. If the court demands that Trump respect a subpoena I would think he will respect it.
He can't claim executive privilege. The only way he could receive executive privilege would be from Biden. That is the law. I don't follow Bannon, I will leave him also up to the courts.
Please offer me the link to your inquiry about Del Rio, it is possible I missed it. Or just repeat your question about Del Rio.Shralee: Here it is enjoy the views. The cameras are live 24/7
https://www.cityofdelrio.com/government … nal-bridgeOk, I had a look at the videos as well as the links on the home page. What is your point? It is a border crossing. What is your point or what did you hope I would glean from the site?
Sharlee: You claimed Biden has wide open borders that just allow migrants to flood into the U.S. Del Rio is an International artery that is open 24/7 both ways to Mexican traffic and U.S. traffic. Watching two cameras shows you that people are not flooding to the U.S. at this major border crossing.
Granted the Hattians were encamped under the bridge, but they are all gone now. Your comment was "but they will be back LOL." At this point, that is just wishful thinking on your part to make Biden look bad."Sharlee: You claimed Biden has wide open borders that just allow migrants to flood into the U.S. " - Yes, she keeps repeating the false Republican talking point when just the opposite is true. Biden still has the same border policy that Trump had - they are closed. I have provided proof of that many times but Truth never bothers propaganda.
Is it your understanding the Haitian immigrants come in at our border crossings? They accumulate 30,000 strong over a couple of weeks coming in crossing the river and then camping under the bridge. Did you see the videos of Haitians how they entered the US? This is illegal plain and simple... Actually, migrants walk in daily and turn themselves in a couple hundred thousand monthly since Biden took office. The numbers for Sept are du to be reported.
Make all the excuses you please... I don't care for people coming in illegally under any circumstances. I don't need to make Biden look bad, he does that all on his own. It is clear you don't want to hear any negative about Biden. This is a political forum, if you don't care for the negative pass it by... As I said I prefer posting current events. It's unfortunate at this point there is no positive to discuss Biden or his administration. If you can come up with something, have at it. And yes, they will be back another huge caravan is on its way.
https://www.borderreport.com/hot-topics … vist-says/
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rItrz1EpeMA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XxCVeDNtjMg&t=32s"This is illegal plain and simple... " - Yet you find nothing wrong with Trump destabilizing democracy. One has a hard time taking your righteous indignation over people trying to gain asylum in America seriously when you are silent on the destruction of American democracy.
It also seems like the Mexican gov't is breaking up these small "caravans" before they get to the northern border.
"I truly feel Trump is pretty much shut out, not provided a forum frequently." - Really? I guess you don't watch Fake Fox Opinion much after all. He is on it very frequently. CNN, ABC, NBC, CBS, MSNBC talk about Trump and his antics all of the time. Many people wish they wouldn't and maybe he would go away. But they can't. He is an existential threat to America and his every move must be brought to the light of day.
I am sure Trump will be brought into the light of day --- when he is elected in 2024. I am over Trump --- you are on your own...
It seems that is the conservative way - sticking one's head in the sand while Trump destroys America. Why do you do that?
"border patrol agents have claimed the wall was working well in the areas it was built." - May I asking which part of the 80 miles of new wall they are talking about? Or are you talking about the old wall which you and Trump claim leaked like a sieve?
"This morning they announced record numbers of drugs are getting across the border due to Biden border policies. " - It is funny you say that since Biden's border policies are Trump's border policies. Are you telling me you think Trump's border policies are a failure?
The 50 senators obstructing everything represent only 43.5% of voters. The legislation presented so far in President Biden's term is supported by a majority of Americans. The problem is not the President's. It's the Republicans. (Source: Intelligencer Feb. 2021)
I think if they wanted to get the Budget & Bills passed, they would be able to do so.
So it comes down to them not wanting to do so.
They HAD the Infrastructure Bill passed:
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/senate-pas … ture-bill/
https://www.nytimes.com/2021/08/10/us/p … asses.html
It is in the DEMOCRATS control now... whether this passes, or gets derailed, is on them.
https://www.newsweek.com/infrastructure … es-1639738
So if you are looking to blame why this has not been passed yet, blame the House Democrats for their infighting and greed.
Lets consider what Biden and the Democrats have already done:
1) Shutting down America's Oil and Natural Gas production, halting energy development on federal land, shutting down the 80 million-acre oil lease sale putting the Louisiana oil and gas industry near to bankruptcy, shutting down oil and energy development in ANWAR which would increase use of the Alaska pipeline, etc.
Our inability to supply our own Oil needs, our lack of self sufficiency, has led not only to higher gas prices, but those costs get transferred to all other goods and services as well.
https://finance.yahoo.com/news/pain-pum … 27931.html
Gas has risen to over $7 a gallon in some parts of the country.
2) Biden now forces his own citizens to be vaccinated or be fired.
Biden's Border policy allows all to cross regardless of their vaccination status.
We are firing Nurses, Police, Public and Federal Government employees for not being vaccinated, while allowing hundreds of thousands a month to enter our country without being vaccinated. Just brilliant.
Biden refuses to mandate vaccines for the 59 million Americans who receive welfare benefits. Put another way, Biden is mandating that the Americans who supply most of the tax revenue to pay for America's welfare system be vaccinated or lose employment. But the beneficiaries of the welfare state are exempt.
3) All the talk for the last 5 years of how Russia is so bad, so dangerous, and within 6 months of getting in Office, Biden allows Russia's pipeline to be opened and rescinds our Sanctions.
Biden also handed over Afghanistan to the Taliban and China, while not easing all trade restrictions with China that Trump had set up, he is facing mounting (soon to be substantial) pressure from those pulling his strings to abolish all restrictions, expect to see this shift in the near future:
https://www.politico.com/news/2021/08/1 … ade-504889
So lets keep it real, the Republicans have very little control over anything right now, if you feel something is not being done, then blame the Democrats, right now they are the ones with all the power and control.There is always conflicting information, sadly, it is very hard to determine the facts of the matter in today's world.
https://www.judicialwatch.org/corruptio … the-night/
https://townhall.com/tipsheet/guybenson … e-n2594033
https://www.lawenforcementtoday.com/car … -interior/Ken: You wrote this:
"It is in the DEMOCRATS control now... whether this passes, or gets derailed, is on them.
https://www.newsweek.com/infrastructure … es-1639738
So if you are looking to blame why this has not been passed yet, blame the House Democrats for their infighting and greed."
It has nothing to do with infighting and greed. It has to do with two DINO's (Democrats in Name Only) Sinema and Manchin. My term, just like RINO's, Republicans in Name Only.
https://www.reuters.com/world/us/could- … 021-10-22/I'm curious; recognizing that RINO and DINO are subject to definition/interpretation, do you see both as those people that don't grab any and all concepts from the party and run with them? Or perhaps only those that pass the muster of over half the party likes it?
Must all true party members accept what the party decrees as right, without ever disagreeing to the point of voting on the congressional floor against what the party says is good?
If so perhaps we should ban political parties entirely, for (IMO) it is this rigid party acceptance that is at the root of much, if not most, of our political woes today, and is certainly a huge part of partisan politics.Wilderness: The two RINO's in the republican party are Kinsinger and Cheny. You decide what their agendas are. The two DINO's in the democratic party are Manchin and Sinema. I call them that because they both act like conservatives when it comes to passing Biden's Build Back America Better bills. They don't want to raise taxes on corporations and the super rich to pay for his bills. That sounds like a conservative position to me. They would rather that the burden be placed on the backs of the middle class.
Welcome to the upside down world of American politics. We have super majorities and filibusters that allow the minority to control the majority; win the popular vote and lose the election because of the electoral college and Trump who has convinced millions of people he won the election by losing it and caused states to change their election laws so they are in favor of republicans.If we take Wilderness' point, why have parties at all. Just appoint a dictator for both and leave it go at that since that is how he seems to think it works - mindless obedience.
If I am going to ascribe those names to anyone, it would be the Republican Party itself as being the RINOs, the ones that have trashed the Republican Party AND America used to stand for.
For the Democrats, I am not sure the term can even apply since the original Democratic Party, for the most part, stood for everything America held dear. But, if it is to apply, then again the who Party, almost to a person, are DINOs because none of them stand for today what Democrats stood for 100 years ago.
That is my broadview of it. If I were to assign DINO to anybody, it would be AOC and her crowd. Why? Not because they don't stand for liberal values that will help all Americans, it is because they oppose (just like the Freedom Caucus) the idea that the Democratic Party can be a big tent party.
They don't WANT conservative, moderate, and liberal wings of the party, they want ONLY far left liberals. Personally, I am more of a Manchin kind of guy. He believes in all of those programs in the social bill, just not at the cost. I agree.
He doesn't believe in throwing the baby out with the bathwater, as the Left does, but to get something good passed. The liberal agenda is a place where good ideas come from, but if left only to them, that where they will die as well. It takes moderate and conservatives to iron out the rough points to get to something America (if not Republicans) can stomach.
On the other hand, I am totally opposed to Sinema not wanting to tax the rich.
Peoplepower - consider an American world where there was no Senate. That is what you will get without some sort of filibuster. Look back in your history as to why the founding fathers thought it a good idea to have a rowdy House and a thoughtful House. They were frightened to death of a democracy where the minority is oppressed by the majority. That is what will happen without some sort of filibuster. To tell you the truth, I am surprised it didn't make it into the Constitution in some form. Nevertheless, the Senate (before they became democratized like the House) saw fit to establish a filibuster.
Does it work in its current form? No. Should there be some form? I think yes.
What should be carved out? I think at least these:
1. Voting Rights
2. Civil Rights
3. A subset of National Defence policies
4. Executive appointments
5. Some subset of National Security policies.
6. Treaties
5. Judicial appointmentsSounds like I got it right - a true Republican or Democrat follows the party line without question.
The terms Rino and Dino seem they are are intended to be at least somewhat derogatory, but isn't it the country's best interest that all legislators forego party lines when it contradicts what they feel is best for the country? Won't a good legislator cast his/her vote according to the needs of the country rather than the desire of the party? (Don't tell me that either party has it right each and every time they put a bill up for a vote!)"Sounds like I got it right - a true Republican or Democrat follows the party line without question." - What you don't have right is the concept of "principle" That is what RINO and DINO refer to.
What is this "principle" you refer to? That legislators must vote the party line? If so, you're right - I don't understand it, except that it is necessary to keep their job. It certainly isn't in the best interests of the country, just the party. And party interests are NOT, generally, in the best interests of the country.
The media has ignored the fact that not only Manchin and Siimema have put up a wall to getting BBB passed --- There are 9 Democrats that have added their concerns - Yes, the media is conveniently not reporting this to make it look a if there is only two bucking the bill. However, there is this --
"Nine moderate House Democrats warned Speaker Nancy Pelosi they won't vote for a budget resolution critical to passing Democrats' $3.5 trillion social policy package unless the House first passes a Senate-approved infrastructure bill, a move that threatens to derail the party's economic agenda. ( which would pass with a great majority of both Dems and Rep)
"Some have suggested that we hold off on considering the Senate infrastructure bill for months — until the reconciliation process is completed. We disagree," the lawmakers wrote Thursday in a letter to Pelosi. "With the livelihoods of hardworking American families at stake, we simply can't afford months of unnecessary delays and risk squandering this once-in-a-century, bipartisan infrastructure package. It's time to get shovels in the ground and people to work."
The letter is signed by Reps. Josh Gottheimer of New Jersey, Carolyn Bourdeaux of Georgia, Filemon Vela of Texas, Jared Golden of Maine, Henry Cuellar of Texas, Vicente Gonzalez of Texas, Ed Case of Hawaii, Jim Costa of California and Kurt Schrader of Oregon."
Others bucking the bill
Rep. Scott Peters (Calif.), joined Republicans in voting against moving the bill out of the budget committee, saying he was concerned the party was rushing to craft the social safety net package
Kathleen Rice (N.Y.), who voted in the House Energy and Commerce Committee against a portion of the bill that would allow the Health and Human Services secretary to negotiate lower drug prices.
Rep. Stephanie Murphy (D-Fla.) also voted against all of the House Ways and Means Committee’s portions of the bill, saying in a statement earlier this month that the measure includes “spending and tax provisions that give me pause.”
Rep. Josh Gottheimer (D-N.J.), another leading advocate for eliminating the SALT cap, told The Hill Monday that full repeal of the cap for two years would be “moving in the right direction.”
Reps. Alma Adams (D-Ga.) and Frederica Wilson (D-Fla.) have threatened to withhold support for the overall package if the language pertaining to grant funding is not amended.
Sources
https://www.npr.org/2021/08/13/10273717 … ote-pelosi
https://www.cnbc.com/2021/09/08/moderat … t-cap.html
https://thehill.com/policy/finance/5741 … ng-package
One can clearly see they are chasing their tail.
It is the Democrats that are once again playing poorly planned games. The infrastructure bill should have been passed. They choose to hook a huge socialist plan to a pretty good infrastructure bill. So, let's not blame Manchin and Sinema... There are many Dems making demands. Progressive, far left, moderates, you name it.
The media not really covering all the problems that have occurred around these two bills -- they are just concentrating on two showboaters. Which are most likely have been following a well-written script. The Dems are famous for these types of ploys. Manchin is their leading man. He always goes the way of his party. All the drama, hopefully, he is booted out of Washington by the very people he is giving the shaft.Sharlee: I'm glad you put up your sources. Those sources were dated in August and September. I'm not sure that those who you cited are still opposing the agenda, given the dynamics of convincing them to change their minds.
As I see it, the real problem here has to do with funding the agenda. Biden is counting on raising taxes on corporations and the super rich to fund his agenda. Without that, the burden resides with the middle class to pay for his plans. That is not what he intended and that is what Manchin and Sinema don't want. You may call them showboaters. But because they are needed for the supermajority to pass the bill. They don't want to raise taxes on corporations and the super rich. That is why I call them DINO's. They sound just like conservatives who have the same agenda.
Also Biden connected the his "Socialist Plan" to the infrastructure Bill in order to get it all done. Here is what is in both bills, current as of Sept. 28.
https://www.investopedia.com/here-s-wha … te-5196817I have not found any info on the dealings past Sept. I have been following this bunch for months.
I don't think he ever intended to spend the amount he stated, I don't believe after the party witnessed his popularity plummet, him now being mocked on TV shows and media not carrying water for him --- that he can even think of pushing a new taxes. And if he does not raise taxes, that bill can't be paid for. Perhaps they will tweak it. I would hope the Dems would push through the infrastructure bill. That bill is badly needed, and Biden would have done something positive. I support the Infrastructure bill. I do not support BBB in any respect. Wrong time for this form of a bill.
I am not for changing the tax codes at this point. I feel we need the current codes to help the economy recover well. I have a different way of looking at big business, and the rich. They are 1 percent of earners in America pay 40% of the Federal taxes. Enough is enough... Corporations and the rich are the lifeblood of America plain and simple. We have too many people that just don't have the will to thrive. This is America's problem --- mindset. I am not about to jump on ruining our economy for a minority.
Half the country does not want a social bill. We like America as a democracy and don't care to see it become a socialist country. Many American's are very much capitalist. The concept we built this nation on.
Biden is a lame duck, many more are talking about his frailness, and confessed odd behavior. There has even been some talk about" we the people "needing to know what meds he is on. Which is fair, remember all the media demanding to know what meds Trump was on.
It is very discouraging, he could have come in and stayed under the radar for a while, he might have even gleaned respect from Republicans if he stayed a bit in the middle. He just listened to the wrong people. He shocked the hell out of the majority of American's by demolishing so many things we were all benefiting from. His decisions made no sense, and all have led to bigger problems. It's hard to even keep up, anymore."Corporations and the rich are the lifeblood of America plain and simple"
Perhaps, but they are not above the law, and I don't want them to have inordinate influence on the political sphere. That means lobbyists and their advocates, etc.
I will only allow a rich guy to buy a bigger box of corn flakes than I can afford, beyond that I will not concede anything else to them.I do agree they are not above the law. And it would seem if they break laws our system could punish them accordingly. Our laws are made in Congress the very people that now have some convinced that it is the rich that are our enemies.
Who do the lobbyists influence? Lobbyists are professional advocates that work hard to influence politicians that in turn make our political decisions. On our behalf or on more like on the behalf of individuals and organizations. All this leads to the proposal of new legislation, or the amendment of existing laws and regulations. is it not a symbiotic crime?
I look so differently at the wealthy --- If we all could only afford cornflakes this country would have cereal lines with only allowing a box per month.
I feel the rich keep people working, and pay big old taxes that pay for so much of what many American's enjoys.
Just think if many decided to vacate and do business elsewhere, there are now many wonderful choices to set up a business. Countries that would really be grateful for what they could earn.
Think NAFTA. Could we have another period where many big corporations pulled out? One thing I have learned the rich did not get rich by accident, and when times get tight they pull up or they cut jobs, and pass on any losses to the general public. I have seen this happen time after time... Like I said they pay enough taxes, and need not be punished due to being successful. Nor should they be made to pay for the society they do business with. That is not in any respect democracy, it is bordering on socialism.
You seem to be promoting political-economic that advocates distribution of wealth through an exchange between the Federal Government via regulations and taxes that could still be owned privately, but dictated to by the community as a whole due to their social needs. I don't feel the rich or corporations should be responsible for paying for a huge social bill.
Yes, taxes pay for all... But Biden has out and out said the rich will pay for all these social programs. In my book, this is taking the country away from democracy, putting us one step closer to becoming a socialist country. I can respect some may desire this, I don't.That is another difference between conservatives and the rest of us. While conservative's myopic view is that ""Corporations and the rich are the lifeblood of America plain and simple"" everybody else understands that it is the working man and woman who is the lifeblood of America, plain and simple.
Without labor, there would be no wealth.Thank you, Esoteric, for reiterating this principle in such a lucid fashion. The failure to recognize this truth may well lead to our ultimate undoing.
This pretty much sums up where Bernie Sanders stands on Biden's agenda.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics … li=BBnb7Kz
Without those to pay these laborers you speak of, we would have no wealth at all. Or perhaps you feel they would just go out and labor and not get paid? I find your analogy very righteous, but sadly unrealistic. Perhaps you forgot about the great depression. What would the working men and women do if there are no jobs to go to. Nice sentiment, but really not very realistic. So proud to be a common-sense conservative...
Common-sense conservatives could process the CEO wage to worker wage ratio differences between now and when laborers actually made wages that kept up with inflation.
CEO-to-worker compensation ratio:
21-to-1 in 1965
366-to-1 in 2000
351-to-1 in 2020
The only defense for that is to defend the greed and exploitation of ownership. If that's conservatism, no thanks.The common-sense defense would be --- There are people that own businesses, and there are workers. If one feels they don't care for the amount of money the CEO or business owner is making, they have the option to leave and pursue another job or start their own business. This is America we are free to move from job to job.
It is up to cooperation or business to dictate a pay scale. Certainly, money is what motivates corporations, what in the world do you think corporations strive to do, share with all? It's called capitalism.Just remember you said that when you complain about corporations moving to different countries to pay slave wages then. At what point do you feel that capitalism needs restraints to be a benefit nationally?
" If one feels they don't care for the amount of money the CEO or business owner is making, they have the option to leave and pursue another job or start their own business. " - This is a standard myth trotted out by conservatives each time this subject comes up. It is true ONLY IF you live in the fantasy world of Trump OR coming out of a pandemic. It is extremely rare in American economic history that labor has the upper hand on management. AND never have labor and management ever worked on equal footing voluntarily. [u]In almost all instances when gov't interceded, it was against labor.
All in all, it is rare, very rare that a person can simply walk away from their job because they don't like how unfairly they are paid.50 years ago, when people had careers, not just jobs, you might have been correct. But the average worker in the US only stays with a job for a little over 4 years today. Kind of blows away the fiction that people can't change jobs because "they don't like how unfairly they are paid".
https://www.indeed.com/career-advice/ca … y-at-a-jobIf one feels they don't care for the amount of money the CEO or business owner is making, they have the option to leave and pursue another job or start their own business.
"This is a standard myth trotted out by conservatives each time this subject comes up."
This is a very widespread belief shared by many... Nothing to do with Trump. Try to clear your thoughts, and see the comment for what it is. A concept many share. Trump has nothing to do with this age-old
concept.
This is America, we offer job mobility for those that apply themselves. We offer education to become educated in another field that enables moving from one field of work to another -- it takes again applying one's self. Many American's ascribe to this concept and do move from job to job, and flourish. Some don't, so as you said these people have unknowingly made their choice, and do not have mobility.
Very unfortunate. But, it does not change my original belief --- If one feels they don't care for the amount of money the CEO or business owner is making, they have the option to leave and pursue another job or start their own business.
Keywords --- applying one's self. This is my view, a common-sense view. I like solutions, not a bandaid. Free free free is a bandaid. One earns more when one applies themselves. I don't believe in awarding all the same. An incentive that motivates or encourages one to do something is a wonderful attribute. The lack of incentive IMO leads to an apathetic society. This form of society fails to thrive and ultimately fails."This is a very widespread belief shared by many.." - Is not evidence of truth. In this case, it is evidence of widespread delusion.
There is an example in one of the law classes I took on contract law. There is law on the books that says a contract is not valid, even though you signed it, if you had no choice but to sign it, e.g. a gun was held to your head and you believed they would pull the trigger. Under those circumstances that contract is invalid. Likewise, the position many employers have their employees in is not much different.
In your dreamworld, ALL employees can just get up and leave. In the real world, that is clearly not true.I have never had an employer hold a gun to my head to work for them. You can claim forever that the circumstances are "not much different" but of course they are totally different with no comparison at all.
LOL, Congratulations, you just hit a new low in disingenuousness.
*shrug* I wasn't the one that made such a ridiculous comparison. I just pointed out how foolish it sounded.
I could agree in the real world most won't get up and leave. The point they could... We have opportunities in America that provide one to obtain an education. We can't control individuals' to seek opportunities such as better education to get better jobs. However, IMO those that do work hard to thrive should not be taxed more due to putting in the work to become wealthy. IMO, It is not their responsibility to support the poor.
In America, the rich are taxed plenty and make up 40% of yearly that goes into our coffers.Sharlee: The wealthy and corporations have many loop holes for not paying their fair share in taxes, as you call them "our coffers". We tend to forget that Trump's tax laws passed in 2017 are effective for 10 years from when they were pushed through congress without a single democrat being allowed a vote.
Here are the tax loop holes and breaks he created for the wealthy and corporations. We can thank Trump and his great performance as you call it.
https://www.americanprogress.org/issues … w-tax-law/Our Congress provides those loopholes. We have a different opinion on how much is enough. --- 40% of taxes are collected from the 1% of the wealthy. I think this is more than fair. The rich in my view does not have the responsibility to support the poor.
If Biden wants to change Trump's tax laws, he has the ability to crame it through in congress. No excuse not to. He promised to do just that.
Part of what he ran on. I would think those that support him should ask him to keep his promises. Or were those promises mistruths to get him elected. Yes, he will cry, the republicans won't cooperate. with me. He has the ability to jam his tax program through -- my prediction is he won't, the rich are the lifeblood of politicians. And it is people that continue to buy into --- I tried, it was the other party that stopped me" that will not recognize these excuses for what they are -- lies.
And yeah --- Trump's tax laws passed in 2017 are effective for 10 years from when they were pushed through Congress without a single democrat being allowed a vote. The Dems right now its day could do the same --- crame it through... Will Biden? No, because Biden is not Trump... Trump is not and never was a politician, he was someone that was working for American's he kept his campaign promise in regard to his Tax bill...
No excuses he crammed it through. Biden is for the very rich and just was dishonest to those that voted for him. He never intended to shaft the rich, he intended to shaft those that voted for him. He is doing a great job at it too.
TAX LOOPS were created by Congress... Simply a fact many need to address their complaint to Congress.Sharlee: So if Trump were not president, then according to you. congress would still create the tax laws? Trump's tax laws cost the tax payers 2 trillion dollars over a 10 year period. Please educate me, Biden can just eradicate Trump's tax law, even though they were being paid for by us. If that is the case, what good does it do for a president to create new tax laws when the next president can just eradicate them?
It sounds like you didn't even read the article, you are just voicing you opinion and even contradicting yourself by saying "the rich are the life blood of politicians and Biden is for the very rich and just was dishonest to those that voted for him."
So on the one hand, it is great that Trump is supporting the rich, but according to you when Biden does it, he is shafting those that voted for him and he is doing a great job at it too."
"TAX LOOPS were created by Congress... Simply a fact many need to address their complaint to Congress."
So if Biden changes the tax laws, adding loop holes, then it is not his fault, it is congress' fault?Congress has the right to change tax laws plain and simple. Trump jammed his tax bill through, not one Democrat voted for the bill. Republicans pass historic tax cuts without a single Democratic vote. Being the 1st major rewrite of US tax code in 31 years. Senate narrowly passed the legislation on a party-line 51-48 vote. A president has the right to ask Congress to work on bills that are part of his agenda. Naturally, they write the actual bills and vote on them. Biden can do the same, he can have a separate bill written to represent his tax plan. Has he? No... He could ram that bill through if he really wanted to keep the lofty promise he made to American's Has he? No
Could Biden or any president close the tax loop with a new tax bill? yes. Do we ever see a president doing that? No
Take your complaints to Congress and the president.
In my view, No Congress would not have tackled taxes during Trump's time in office. He tackled taxes, and as I said rammed the bill through, as the votes indicate. Many Republicans bucked him on his tax bill. He more or less had many over a barrel, due to his political clout. He bad-mouthed anyone that bucked him, he still plays that game.
To repeat Biden can certainly eradicate Trump's taxes. Will he, did he ever intend to get rid of the current tax laws? Or was it just a campaign lie?
I did not say the Trump tax bill supported the rich. I did not share an opinion on the accrual bill -- I did say he promised a new tax plan. -- "Trump is not and never was a politician, he was someone that was working for American's he kept his campaign promise in regard to his Tax bill..." Where did I say Trump supported the rich with his tax plan? I feel his tax plan benefited most Americans's not all, but most.
"So if Biden changes the tax laws, adding loopholes, then it is not his fault, it is congress' fault?"
As history shows Presidents do not write bills. They work with Congress and offer what they hope to see in a given bill. They can also write a bill, but a President must give the bill to someone in Congress to get it introduced (and, technically, a Congressperson must co-sponsor it, and bring it before Congress.
So ultimately if Biden wanted to change tax laws and added loopholes to a bill, and the bill was sponsored --- And if Congress disagreed the bill would not reach the president's desk to be sighed into law. If Congress passed the bill, both are responsible for the bill as written.
IF Congress wrote the bill and added the loopholes, and the president signed the bill both Congress and the president would be responsible for the said loopholes. Both willfully supported the new loopholes laws.
So Yes, if Biden signs it he is responsible for the new laws. Congress has every right not to pass a president's bill... Or support what he might hope to be entered into a bill.Sharlee:
"I did not say the Trump tax bill supported the rich. I did not share an opinion on the accrual bill -- I did say he promised a new tax plan. -- "Trump is not and never was a politician, he was someone that was working for American"
You didn't have to say Trump supports the rich. It's a well known fact his tax laws were setup to favor the rich.. You generalized your comment by saying he works for Americans. I'm curious what is your definition of Americans Trump works for and what is your definition of a politician?
So my tax question is can Biden, with the approval of congress, wipe out Trump's 10 year tax plan or does it stand in addition to what Biden gets passed?
So if one president can wipe out another presidents tax plan with congress approval, in this case Trump's 10 year plan, what good does it do for us to pay 2 trillion dollars for something that is going to be fleeting and subject to change?It buys votes. Just as Biden's grandiose plan is intended to do.
Wilderness: If it buys votes for Biden's plan, then it bought votes for Trump's plan as well. Is it worth 2 trillion dollars to raise the national debt by that much to just buy votes? It takes 200 billion per year in revenue to pay that amount for a raise in the national debt for Trump's 10 year tax plan of 2 trillion dollars. What's wrong with this picture?
The poor will suffer the worse due to Biden's grandiose plan. They already are. One thing about Biden, he is sinking faster than any other president I have seen. His timing has been off... He has people hurting due to inflation right out of the gate. Inflation will not subside quickly, but the worse is coming, just in time for 2022, and 2024. The poor will be much poorer. This grandiose plan could not be more flawed in my view. One only needs to be involved and monitor social media to see the tide has greatly turned on Biden. His supporters are jumping ship, and getting out while the getting is good. No one wants to be associated with a loser. That's human nature.
You're a broken record of misinformation. Same false blame every two days. Inflation is being caused by the broken supply chains and flooding of the market by 30% of all US currency in 2020.
No one wants to be associated with a loser? Then why do so many Republicans want to back Trump in 2024? While people may be down on Biden until the infrastructure and BBB plan get passed, he will get a jump when those things are completed. And look at those ratings, there are the three far-right polls (Trafalgar, Rasmussen being two) that are so far skewed to the right that they bring the entire average down to help you make your case.
And even so, Biden's approval rating, while down, still rates higher than Trump's who will likely be the 2024 GOP nominee. Not that anyone expects Biden to be the democratic nominee in 2024, but even if he was, Americans can trust Biden on the issues way more than Trump.
Unemployment rates dropping, stock market gains higher than any president to start a term, child poverty rates dropping, murder rates lowering, infrastructure bill ready for approval. So much is good for those willing to see it and not be blinded by their own partisan hate.Talk about repeating information. Laughable. The context of my comment has no indication of what caused the current growing inflation. You are reading into the comment. Actually, I do feel Biden's policies have caused the rate of inflation we are witnessing. I could care very little about your Google stats on this subject. The economist doesn't all agree, in fact, they are at opposite ends. So all Google can do, as well as the economist can do is predict.
" While people may be down on Biden until the infrastructure and BBB plan get passed, he will get a jump when those things are completed."
That is a prediction... Nothing more. I feel nothing could save this man, inflation will be around his entire term. You see IMO, problems don't just go away as quickly as they occur. And it's a wonderful bet Biden will not run in 2024. American's will be looking to stable the ship with a Republican, again my view.
" but even if he was, Americans can trust Biden on the issues way more than Trump. " Most American's vote by their pocketbook, and will compare Biden's economy to Trump's.
You are conflating the importance of the post-pandemic unemployment stats. It's a nice talking point that unemployment stats are good -- why in the world would they not be --- citizens that were required to stay home due to COVID, are returning to the JOBS THEY HAD. Hence the numbers look great... Have a look at the currently unfilled jobs. The coming year will give us a better look at true unemployment rates.
MURDER RATES Are Not Dropping in Major Cities --- The murder rate is up, in most major Democratic cities. I offered sources on this subject many times here on HP's in the past months. Major cities offer the majority of crimes.
Chicago -- https://www.wbez.org/stories/at-summers … 85daa98fa0
https://www.wbez.org/stories/at-summers … 85daa98fa0
https://xtown.la/2021/07/16/murder-rate-soars/
https://www.mprnews.org/story/2021/07/2 … rd-murders
https://www.pbs.org/wgbh/frontline/arti … eneration/
https://www.wweek.com/news/2021/09/29/n … homicides/
https://mynorthwest.com/3008779/rantz-s … une-crime/
https://www.wxyz.com/news/7-in-depth/fb … 31-in-2020
https://www.ajc.com/news/after-historic … 2D6376S3E/
https://gothamist.com/news/national-hom … york-state
The child poverty rate --- IMO, Biden pumped money in to make an attempt to but votes. No more no less... It's a cheap political ploy.
The infrastructure bill would be a positive, but it will sink him if the BBB is attached. I am not blinded, I just look at the straight facts of all Biden has done, and all have led to creating big long-term problems."Americans can trust Biden on the issues way more than Trump. "
You're right - Americans can trust Biden to open our borders as soon as he can. Americans can trust Biden to make us dependent of foreign oil. Americans can trust Biden to raise their taxes. Americans can trust Biden to print more money, causing more inflation. Americans can trust Biden to raise the violence level in the country. Americans can trust Biden to waste any money from the infrastructure bill, paying for "stuff" to give away rather than repairing failing bridges, dams and roads.
Americans can trust Biden to really screw the country over.So wonderfully said. Certainly gives good weight on why one may not trust this particular president. All of what you mentioned has been what I have noted, and what certainly disappoints me, and frightens me. I feel the polls clearly indicate the majority of American's have taken note of how he has truly, and quickly screwed up the country. It truly surprises me how anyone can defend this president. It is actually hard to keep up with all the problems he ultimately causes.
Today I have been tuned in to the Congress questioning the AG. Turns out the White House was in discussion with the National School Board Association in the weeks leading up to the NSBA sending a letter demanding federal law enforcement crackdown on the alleged harassment of school officials. An email showing the school board group drew on conversations with White House staffers in drafting the letter. This is just another cheap Democrat political ploy that has now backfired.
Email source https://defendinged.org/press-releases/ … e-release/
IMO -- This AG is nothing but a strong arm of the White House, and in this case, he certainly used his position to scare and threaten parents from becoming involved in their children's education. What a crock ...
Guess the White House went too far. too soon. Hey, we are not a socialist country yet.Wow, the delusion of all those claims is incredible. When you're this departed from actual reality, there is no point in engaging you.
Fair enough - I feel the same way about you. When Biden brings in thousands of illegal aliens and spreads them through the country and you cannot, somehow, see it when it happens there isn't much reason to discuss with you.
When Biden shuts down our own oil drilling and you think that we will not, again, be dependent on foreign oil, there isn't much reason to discuss it with you.
When Biden's "infrastructure" bill contains hardly anything for our failing infrastructure, but you think it is all about bridges and dams there isn't much reason to discuss it with you.
Raise your head back out of the sand and we could have a reasonable discussion. Until then, though, there is no point in engaging further.Just keep on ignoring the facts about who crafted the infrastructure bill and call it Biden's. Nor do I think you have a clue what's actually in the bill or what infrastructure actually means. And as usual, you make some stupid guess as to what others are thinking about something, which only fits your own warped views of other people. Those would be the first delusional points.
Keep calling them illegal aliens despite laws legally allowing them to make asylum claims. Racist delusion #2.
And definitely keep on ignoring that oil production dropped in 2020 under Trump. Delusion #3.So? Tell me; how much of the "infrastructure bill" is going to repairing failing infrastructure vs how much is going elsewhere?
"The $115 billion set aside for improving roads and bridges is just under 6 percent of the plan's $2 trillion total in spending". "$174 billion on electric vehicles"
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics … r-BB1ffyNP
Simply put, he proposes spending more on EV's than on road/bridge infrastructure. EV's are NOT "infrastructure". In addition, he will repair 20,000 miles of the 173,000 that need repair and 10,000 small bridges out of the 45,000 in need of repair...not much, then, towards "infrastructure".
"Keep calling them illegal aliens despite laws legally allowing them to make asylum claims. Racist delusion #2."
LOL From Mirriam Webster:
"2: from another country : FOREIGN
alien residents"
I don't see anything at all about race. Instead I read about being a foreign citizens residing in the US. Nothing racist about it, however much you play the racist card. As far as being illegal; they crossed the border illegally; that makes their presence illegal. Want to try again?Again, you keep calling it Biden's when 69 Senators voted for the bill, including Mitch McConnell. The bill was crafted by the Senate. So why do you attribute it to Biden who has yet to sign it? Just a false narrative there.
Here is a list of things actually in the bill that came out of the Senate:
$73 billion for electric grid and power infrastructure
$66 billion for passenger and freight rail
$65 billion for broadband investments
$55 billion for water systems and infrastructure
$50 billion for Western water storage
$39 billion for public transit
$25 billion for airports
$21 billion for environmental remediation projects
$17 billion for ports and waterways
$15 billion for electric vehicles
$11 billion for road safety
Despite your untruths, the large majority of that looks like infrastructure to me.
And from Merriam-Webster (the irony of quoting a dictionary whose name you cannot spell correctly was not lost on me):
- a foreign person who lives in a country without having official permission to live there
And yeah, I'll try again.
The immigrants got official permission once they were evaluated for asylum claims. So that no longer makes the foreigners from Haiti and Mexico who you had been talking about (hence the clear distinction of which races you were are talking about) illegal aliens. But you calling the black and brown people illegal anyway smacks of racism.Your list totals 437B...less than 25% of the 2T total. In addition, adding infrastructure (broadband investments for example) does nothing to repair what is failing. Then top it off with such things as EV's or "environmental remediation", which are not "infrastructure" by any stretch of the imagination, and you end up with a small percentage of the bill actually goes to repairing failing infrastructure, which is what I said.
Uh...you do know that "Haitian" and "Mexican" are not races? That they are people that are citizens of those countries regardless of their color? Yes, Biden decided that the law against unauthorized entry should be ignored - I'm not sure that ignoring the law makes them "legal" at all.
Nor has a single asylum claim been evaluated from the latest invasion. All that we know is that they have been taught to cry "Asylum!" whether they have a valid claim or not. That and the fact that they are entering from Mexico, which the US does not recognize as a country with valid asylum claims.So much misinformation. Let's start with the simplest fact that you seem completely oblivious to - that the bill passed by the Senate was only one trillion dollars. Hard to have a conversation when you're that uneducated on the topic.
You do know that Haitians and Mexicans fall into different races than scared, old, white people from Idaho, right? And to make a legal asylum claim, one has to be present on American soil or at a port of entry. I guess you missed that when you went to law school.
And your last paragraph is your own false opinion. The most susceptible were given priority for appearances to make their case for asylum.OK - the bill as it stands now is only 1T. Of which you listed less than half, much of which has nothing to do with infrastructure and even less with repairing failing infrastructure. Your point? That 20 or 30% is a major portion of 1T? You might want to check your arithmetic.
Yes, of course Haitians and Mexicans fall into a different category than scared, old, white people from Idaho, or even racist people from NY; they are not American citizens. On the other hand, both Haiti and Mexico have Caucasian citizens - you seem unaware of that and are still trying to claim that "Haitian" and "Mexican" are races as seen in your derogatory (and foolish) statement that they are a different race than white people.
I'm sure that labeling people by their national citizenship is the same as labeling them by race in your eyes - it helps if you are going to play the race card. It just isn't true, but then doesn't seem to matter, does it?My points are that:
1.) you are very uneducated on this topic, not realizing that the reason I listed around half was that only $550 billion is new spending while the rest is previously approved spending. I'm sorry you lack the ability to search how much or the specifics of what is in the bill, instead needing it spoon-fed to you like you were a child.
2.) you display your own lack of knowledge on what constitutes infrastructure. For example, environmental remediation, which is the removal of pollution or contaminants from water (both ground water and surface water) and soil. Pretty sure that ensuring safe drinking water is part of infrastructure to all those who do not have it.
Sorry, buddy. I'm not the one falsely calling immigrants, the vast majority composed of races other than Caucasian, that were granted the right to remain here legally - illegals. That racism is solely yours."Pretty sure that ensuring safe drinking water is part of infrastructure to all those who do not have it."
You may be "pretty sure", but you are still wrong. Cleaning up an environmental mess is NOT "infrastructure. As with "alien", you might look up the definition and educate yourself - I have no desire to educate you.
But Sharlee - we can trust him! To bankrupt the country, to make us responsible for the ills of the world and many other things. Things not in our best interests, but we can trust Biden to do them anyway.
Sharlee: You never replied to my comments about Trump being a professional politician.
By definition, Trump is a professional politician - he was paid for being President (that he gave it all away does not change that he was paid).
Of course few would call someone with 4 years as President, with no other political experience, a "professional politician". That term is generally reserved for those that have already made a long career of politics.
Yes, the poor will suffer. All the giveaways will disappear into the maw of inflation, just as you say, leaving them worse off than they were before.
But it isn't about Biden, it's about the liberal philosophy that throwing money to the poor will "help" them somehow?Biden is their tool... It's not new to see Democrats use the cheap ploy to toss a bit of cash at the poor. But in my view, the poor are going to feel this administration mistakes big time if the BBB liberal bill is passed.
It will snowball into so many problems that will end up smothering the poor.It is generally the poor that pays the price. That and the middle class, of course, that always ends up footing the bill.
Yes, the poor will suffer from the massive giveaways; shoveling money to them is NOT, and never was, the way to raise them out of poverty. Democrats never agree with that, of course, even as they shovel the money into their own pockets.
"You didn't have to say Trump supports the rich. It's a well known fact his tax laws were setup to favor the rich.. You generalized your comment by saying he works for Americans. I'm curious what is your definition of Americans Trump works for and what is your definition of a politician?"
I don't feel the statement "Trump worked for all Ameican" indicated anything about what was in his tax bill. The context is clear. The subject was about keeping a campaign promise in regard to Trump promising a new tax plan. And the fact Biden could also keep his tax plan promise by just ramming it through.
"And yeah --- Trump's tax laws passed in 2017 are effective for 10 years from when they were pushed through Congress without a single democrat being allowed a vote. The Dems right now its day could do the same --- crame it through... Will Biden? No, because Biden is not Trump... Trump is not and never was a politician, he was someone that was working for American's he kept his campaign promise in regard to his Tax bill..."
I mentioned nothing about Trump supporting the rich. I did not go into any details about the bill itself.
President Trump worked to obtain many positive changes that benefited American's. The list has been posted here on HP's frequently. It is more than apparent some do not feel he accomplished anything. I feel he was one of the best presidents we have ever had in regard to job performance. So we can agree to disagree on this matter.
The definition of a politician varies today and has come to mean various things to various individuals.
In my view, and the context I used the word politician in my comment it is a person who is professionally involved in politics, a holder of or a candidate for an elected official who acts in a manipulative and devious way, to gain advancement in a campaign or the office they hold. This is my opinion. In my comment, I clearly built a context that I feel Biden is this kind of politician. I have come to this view due to research into his past, and his current demeanor. He continues to tell mistruths, conflict data, deny current problems and hide from questions from the press corps. His every word is well planned. All of the above-mentioned leads me to call him a politician, a politician of the worse kind.
Trump's tax laws will stand until Congress offers and passes new tax laws.
All or some of what is in 2 trillion dollars BBB can and most likely will be done away with IF a strong Republican President and Republican Congress take back Government. This is evident. In essence, all laws can be changed.
I am not sure what you seek --- Biden has as much right as any president to push, and work for his agenda. As I, as a citizen have the right to be dissatisfied with a given president's agenda. Due to this strong dissatisfaction, I don't support Biden or BBB. Hopefully, this helps clear up your inquiry.Sharlee:
"In my view, and the context I used the word politician in my comment it is a person who is professionally involved in politics, a holder of or a candidate for an elected official who acts in a manipulative and devious way, to gain advancement in a campaign or the office they hold. This is my opinion. In my comment, I clearly built a context that I feel Biden is this kind of politician. I have come to this view due to research into his past, and his current demeanor. He continues to tell mistruths, conflict data, deny current problems and hide from questions from the press corps. His every word is well planned. All of the above-mentioned leads me to call him a politician, a politician of the worse kind."
Bravo!!! Thank you. You just described Trump in all his indisputable glory. In fact, he is still doing exactly what you described. Do I need to go into the details? I get his email, his son's email, and Jr's girl friend's email, Kimberly Guilfoyle, every day and it is despicable how much lying and manipulating they are doing. I can post the email if you like. I don't know how I got on their mail list, but it is very interesting to see how much they lie and grovel for donations. I don't reply and that makes them up the ante to persuade me to donate and take their one-sided surveys.Missed this comment --- In my view, and the context I used the word politician in my comment it is a person who is professionally involved in politics, a holder of or a candidate for an elected official who acts in a manipulative and devious way, to gain advancement in a campaign or the office they hold.
Trump was not in politics until he decided to run for president. He was a businessman/celebrity in my view. Biden has been in Washington I believe for 50 years, a senator, and a VP. He is a professional politician.
Biden is once again an elected official who acts in a manipulative and devious way, to gain advancement in his standings and attempt to hold his office. I could give example after example of this tendency. One hie is using the DOJ to push his political agenda. One - having the AG stick his nose in with a lawsuit in Arizona to fight their new voting laws, and let's not forget sticking his nose in Texas's new abortion laws. Oh, and let's not forget the AG weaponizing the FBI to threaten parents for voicing their opinions or one could call free speech at board meetings. Biden is using the DOJ as a political tool... Pushing his own ideologies. You may be on board with this kind of over-reach, I am not... Not in any respect.
Trump, in no respect, was or is a politician... Nor did he exhibit the cheap dishonesty of what I feel is a dishonest politician. No what's under this shell... That's Biden's game. But, he plays it so badly. He is caught at every turn.
Today this was reported --- Congress is questioning AG Garland. on many subjects. Most questions that have been asked of Garland have been in regard to how the AG and FBI became involved with a letter sent to Biden by the National School Board Associaton. The letter requesting Biden's help with what they called threats and violence from parents at the Board meeting.
Turns out the White House was in discussion with the National School Board Association in the weeks leading up to the NSBA sending a letter that demanded federal law enforcement crackdown on the alleged harassment of school officials. An email showing the school board group drew on conversations with White House staffers in drafting the letter.
Source to view email mentioned --- https://defendinged.org/press-releases/ … e-release/
Once again Biden appears to be using the DOJ to do his bidding. Using the AG as a strong arm to scare and threaten parents from becoming involved in their children's education.
So dishonest, this is such a rudimentary grift, one would think the White House could have pulled it off... Like I said Biden is a politician and in my book a very poor example.
He was netted pretty quick with this latest ploy.
If I get it right --- The White House assisted with writing the letter to the president, he, in turn, told AG Garland to have the FBI investigate American parents and label them terrorists, list about 13 crimes they could be arrested for if they decided to show their faces at a school board meeting. Threaten the hell out of them, yeah that will work...
I must say, glad I did not vote for this guy.Sharlee: You attacked Biden, but you never disputed what I said about Trump other than you said he was not a "Professional Politician." Four years of lying, manipulating and misinforming is enough time to call him a professional politician in my book. And as I said before, he is still doing all of those things. Now he even has Junior and his girl friend doing the same thing.
I do not consider my comments as attacks. If I have posted something about his actions, I would hope you point that out. If you are referring to my opinion of his job approval or my opinion on his demeanor. You need to realize these are my personal opinions. Opinions I derive from his actions.
I dispute what you said about Trump again due to my opinion. I truly do not see Trump as a politician. I made every attempt to provide my reasoning. You seem to have a problem realizing our opinions are very different. I certainly don't as a rule agree with your ideologies, but I don't feel I have the right to act as if my opinion is the law of the land.
I note that you feel Trump lied, and I know that WAPO kept a list of lies, most of what could be seen as miss-quotes or words that were taken out of context. I saw him frequently provide opinions, that were also skewed as if he were stating facts. I never witnessed him lying. Biden openly lies openly... I have provided some of his lies. I question if his lies are meant to be lies or do he lie due to confusion. Just this week Biden told his Amtrak story once again. This story is factually a lie, the media widely covered the lie --- yet Biden continues to tell the lie. I do not relish calling Biden a liar, but nor will I ignore it. His lying is obvious, and yes adds to my adverse opinion of him.
I don't know what Trump's son is up to. I do know and have widely researched what Biden's son is up to... And I consider him a threat to our nation. He still holds a 10% stake in Chinese firms despite a pledge to divest. I see Trump's son very much disturbs you... How do you justify the many adverse actions of Hunter Biden? My gosh have you watched his gross videos, or looked into his business dealing? At this point if being investigated by the FBI. Trump's sons or his daughters are not under any form of FBI investigation. On one hand, you seem to be very aware of what Trump's son is doing while ignoring Bidens son. This seems very much discriminatory. I have researched Hunter, and it very well appears he is a threat to the nation in regard to pay to play. That's my opinion. Trump's son is being vigorous with his opinion, sorry, that is not against the law... It's called freedom of speech. I don't agree with his rhetoric in any respect--- none... But at this point, we have freedom of speech.
Biden son, may have well broken many of our laws. I will wait to see what the FBI finds.
https://nypost.com/2021/10/25/biden-tel … -5th-time/
"The point they could... " - So, in your world view, that is ALL that matters - that they could? The fact that they have no money to move somewhere doesn't make any difference to you? The fact that they don't have a car to take them wherever they move to doesn't make you flinch? The fact that they may have to leave their kids is just a trifle to you? The very real fact they will go food insufficient is not enough reason to keep their job?
It only matters in your calculuse is that "they could ..."
Aren't you just a little bit ashamed with that view? Just askingI was not claiming a person needs a literal move from the location they live. Just look for another job, and perhaps seek more education to obtain a better job. Maybe an attitude that would benefit is --- not I could, but I can...
Leave their kids? Come on get real... The majority of moms and dads leave their kids daily to work. And no none of what you said made some flinch. What would make me flinch is footing the bill for able-bodied human beings. Your attitude certainly offers no avenue out of poverty, only dependence, only taking the crumbs you one is given, from those that are in essence are more productive, smarter, and just all-around much better than you.
I am in no way ashamed of my comment or my opinion on what would offer the poor a possible avenue out of poverty. As I have said in a previous comment, I would be more than supportive of using taxes dollars on education, and trade programs. That's my view, and no I am not in any way ashamed of my view. I would prefer to help the underprivileged not look down on them or choose a dead-end bandaid by offering crumbs.
Are you not ashamed of what seems to be your own attitude? An attitude that seems to offer Zero solutions, only speaking about the poor as if they are mired in problems that are unsolvable, and need you wonderfully smart liberals to step in and -- offer crumbs.
"IMO, It is not their responsibility to support the poor." - Spoken like a true Bourbon Democrat (the bad Democrats).
Grover Cleveland in his veto message to Congress who tried to give starving Texas farmers seed to plant to help feed the nation after one of the severest draughts America has known to date.
"Grover Cleveland’s Veto of the Texas Seed Bill (February 16, 1887)
Amid a crushing drought that devastated many Texas farmers, Grover Cleveland vetoed a bill designed to help farmers recover by supplying them with seed. In his veto message, Cleveland explained his vision of proper government."
[i]It is represented that a long-continued and extensive drought has existed in certain portions of the State of Texas, resulting in a failure of crops and consequent distress and destitution.
Though there has been some difference in statements concerning the extent of the people’s needs in the localities thus affected, there seems to be no doubt that there has existed a condition calling for relief; and I am willing to believe that, notwithstanding the aid already furnished, a donation of seed grain to the farmers located in this region, to enable them to put in new crops, would serve to avert a continuance or return of an unfortunate blight.
And yet I feel obliged to withhold my approval of the plan, as proposed by this bill, to indulge a benevolent and charitable sentiment through the appropriation of public funds for that purpose.
I can find no warrant for such an appropriation in the Constitution, and I do not believe that the power and duty of the General Government ought to be extended to the relief of individual suffering which is in no manner properly related to the public service or benefit. A prevalent tendency to disregard the limited mission of this power and duty should, I think, be steadfastly resisted, to the end that the lesson should be constantly enforced that though the people support the Government the Government should not support the people.
The friendliness and charity of our countrymen can always be relied upon to relieve their fellow-citizens in misfortune. This has been repeatedly and quite lately demonstrated. Federal aid in such cases encourages the expectation of paternal care on the part of the Government and weakens the sturdiness of our national character, while it prevents the indulgence among our people of that kindly sentiment and conduct which strengthens the bonds of a common brotherhood.
Cleveland was wrong on so many counts:
- "I can find no warrant for such an appropriation in the Constitution" - He should read the preamble then. Maybe he could get a clue. (yes, I do realize Conservatives don't think the Preamble is actually a part of the Constitution
- " duty of the General Government ought to be extended to the relief of individual suffering " - He must not have read the We The People part.
- "The friendliness and charity of our countrymen can always be relied upon to relieve their fellow-citizens in misfortune." - Not true in 1887 and still not true today - is a a Conservative myth
- "This has been repeatedly and quite lately demonstrated. Federal aid in such cases encourages the expectation of paternal care on the part of the Government ..." - This was a myth then and proven to be a myth today.
It should be easy to see why those of us who care about other people, i.e. today's Democrats and many independents, that conservatism, as practiced in America, is an evil thing.That would be your opinion... Funny you Democrats have not after so many many years done right by the very poor. Free is not a solution, never worked, never will...
Sharlee: Obviously, what conservative have done for the poor doesn't work either. After many years, they are still poor. It's the difference in mentality between empathy and apathy.
It was ESO that choose to make a statement about his political party. I had not brought any political party into the conversation or sought to compare attitudes of political parties. I was offering my personal opinion. The conversation started with my view I did not want the very rich taxed in order to pay for the poor. I shared I felt they pay enough. It turned into a free-for-all as always... That turned into ESO asking me if I am ashamed of my opinion on how one helps the poor.
It is more than obvious neither party has truly solved our poverty problem. And yes there is a difference between empathy and apathy. However, in the case of poverty, in my view, the well-meant empathy is adding to the poor becoming apathetic. It would seem we still have poor that lack interest, enthusiasm, or concern about claiming out of poverty. I don't think it's all about who did what in regards to a political party -- it's a certain people's mentality.
And I will stick with my first comment that led us here --- the rich pay enough, and should not be responsible for supporting the poor. This kind of taxing is taxation by wealth. In my book that is not fair. They pay 40% and are 1% of our population. Thank God we have them. I am in no respect wanting to chase them and their money out of America. It certainly would not be pretty to deplete the best part of our tax base.The immorality of playing Robin Hood, creating Marxism by forcibly taking from one to give to another, is not something liberals understand. Only that there is "free" money out there if they just pass laws making it legal to take whatever they wish from whomever they wish.
Wilderness: It's called paying our taxes. Do you have any idea how much of the budget goes to welfare? The preamble to the Constitution says In order to form a more perfect union, promote the general welfare. Boy if only the framers of the Constitution could see us now. We have no union and we don't promote the general welfare or even ensure domestic tranquility.
Those are just words without meaning in today's world. I guess as a conservative all you see is somebody robbing you personally of you money. It's the I got mine you go get yours mentality.
And with the loop holes put in Trump's tax plan for the corporations and super rich, they don't even pay taxes or very little.
In 2020 only 8% of our tax dollars were for safety net programs.
https://www.cbpp.org/research/federal-b … dollars-goIt is so evident at this point that we have two very different mindsets in this country, left and right. And it would seem to be worsening at a record speed.
I certainly can't see anything relevant in making our very most wealthy pay for some of the government social programs in the BBB bill. I truly feel the 40% they add to the coffers is very fair. Yes, we will always need to pay for some citizens that don't for some reason or another find they can support themselves. But, I don't promote encouraging citizens to find the life of free stuff better than being responsible for their own existence.I agree...except that paying 40% of one's income (plus state taxes plus sales tax, plus FICA, plus property tax plus all the other little "hidden" taxes and fees we all pay) is "fair". There is nothing "fair" about some of our people being forced to give up well over half their earnings while others take more from federal coffers than they ever pay in.
It may be necessary (I would disagree), it may be the moral thing to do (would agree if it were not forced), but in no way can it be considered "fair".I had hoped to convey that according to the latest data, the top 1 percent of earners in America pay 40.1 percent of federal taxes; the bottom 90 percent pay 28.6 percent. And that I feel they need not be squeezed for more. The 1% seems to pay enough in my view.
Just out of curiosity -- Do you feel the very rich need to pay more? Should they be adding even more than the 40% they already add to the yearly Federal income? It shocks me that they add that much yearly. I am sure some individuals get off with little taxes, but it would seem our rich are footing the bill for much of what we have in our yearly tax coffers.
"After many years, they are still poor."
Are they really? Or do we just keep raising the bar so we can call them poor and give out more money to buy votes? The majority of the poor today live a much easier life than middle class did when I was a child - it is only definition, not reality, that makes them poor.Sharlee: Can you back that up with your sources or is that just your opinion? I don't like the term "poor." It is poverty and it has many facets for its causes. I'm going to do the research.
You don't like the term poor? Then you perhaps should not use it...
"PEOPLEPOWER73 WROTE:
Sharlee: Obviously, what conservative have done for the poor doesn't work either. After many years, they are still poor. It's the difference in mentality between empathy and apathy."
Definition Poor --- lacking sufficient money to live at a standard considered comfortable or normal in a society.
I use the word as it is commonly defined. Sorry, I don't abide by what others might find offensive when it comes to words, which all of a sudden has become to mean something different than what they are defined to mean in a dictionary.
I used the term poor literally as I did the word rich... ESO and I were discussing the very rich (which is being discussed by the new administration as a way to pay for BBB) hence the rich the 40% paying for the "poor".
I do not understand what you mean by "back up my sources" your reply was although addressed to me was in a reply to Wilderness?
What sources, what statement would you like me to back up? I would assume you want a source to my comment the rich 1% pay 40% of the US in taxes.
Source Tax Foundation ---
I wonder what that graph would look like if it showed taxes minus all forms of rebates, welfare and other forms of charity by govt.
Would the top 1% then be paying 90% of all federal net receipts?Sharlee:
1. What I should have said is I personally don't like using the word poor to describe cause and effect of those who are living below the poverty line. Poor is just poor. It is one category of poverty. The causes and effects of poverty on the other hand are multifaceted.
2.Sorry about the statement of backing up the sources. That was not meant for you, it was meant for Wilderness.
You are concerned that the 1% pays 40% of their income for taxes and I'm concerned that last year that 8% of every tax dollar was budgeted for the safety net. That's 8 cents of your and Wilderness' tax dollar goes for the safety net.
https://www.cbpp.org/research/federal-b … dollars-go
https://www.cbpp.org/press/statements/p … ion-people
Here are the loop holes Trump's tax reform created for corporations and the super rich.
https://www.cbpp.org/research/federal-t … ate-incomeYes, your stats are correct in regard to safety net expenditure.
When comparing the US unemployment to the World's Largest Economies we are number 3. This is very positive, and it shows we have initiative, are hard workers, and that capitalism works well for most. So, do we need to encourage any form of new dependence on the Government? I guess we could become like some of the European counties that have more socila programs, and become accustomed to less motavated to thrive. Unemployment says a lot about a country.
https://www.investopedia.com/articles/p … ountry.asp
It is factual that Trump's tax Plan helped some more than others. We did see wages rise a bite under Trump. more people come off of welfare, and so many were employed, this could have been due to more hiring due to fewer regulations and better tax breaks. His economy was positive, and many American's were pleased with where we were headed. I would have liked to see where the country would have gone if he had won.Sharlee: This is from the 2020 census on poverty in America. You can slice it and dice it by many different characteristics including race, age, marriage status, etc. These are documented statistics, not opinions.
https://www.census.gov/library/publicat … 0-273.htmlI'm not sure this report is very meaningful for the country. While it certainly had a huge negative effect on those individuals that lost their job last year, as far as the country goes a one year decline in earnings, for a well known, temporary, reason doesn't mean so much.
I didn't go through all the links in the article, but I doubt that the "income" talked about included govt. assistance, either - the repeated stimulus, the increase unemployment, the loans made...all those things were, I think, left out of the calculations of "income" and give a very false picture as a result.Wilderness: That's your opinion, not the facts.
"I'm not sure" would designate an opinion, yes. So does "I doubt" and "I think".
That "well known" IS a fact, though, even if you disagree.
Not sure you were aware of the statement the Census Bureau released on the problems in the data that was collected due to COVID.
OCT. 27, 2021 — The U.S. Census Bureau today released an analytical report in advance of publishing experimental data from the American Community Survey (ACS), one of the nation’s most comprehensive sources of population and housing information about the U.S.
The report, An Assessment of the COVID-19 Pandemic’s Impact on the 2020 ACS 1-Year Data, describes how the pandemic disrupted ACS data collection in 2020 and gives data users insights into why the Census Bureau decided to release the 2020 ACS 1-year estimates as an experimental product. The Census Bureau ultimately determined the standard 2020 ACS 1-year estimates did not meet our statistical quality standards.
"The Census Bureau also released a blog, Pandemic Impact on 2020 American Community Survey 1-Year Data with the report, providing an overview about the contents of the report, and quality measures showing the impact of the pandemic on the annually-released measures of survey quality. In November, the Census Bureau will release a set of experimental estimates from the 1-year data as well as a technical working paper describing the experimental methodology. The experimental data will cover a limited number of topics for the nation, all 50 states, and the District of Columbia."
https://www.census.gov/newsroom/blogs/r … -data.html
https://www.census.gov/newsroom/press-r … 0-acs.html
in 2019 the poverty rate was at an all time low --- 10.5
President Trump claimed in 2019 that he had delivered "the largest poverty reduction under any president in history".
In 2019, around 4.2 million fewer people were living in poverty in the US compared with the previous year, according to official data.
GDP --- During his first three years in office, President Trump oversaw an annual average growth of 2.5%. The last three years of the Obama administration saw a similar level of growth (2.3%).
Prior to the pandemic, President Trump claims to have delivered the lowest unemployment rate in half a century. This is true. In February this year, the rate stood at 3.5%, the lowest for more than 50 years.
However, the Obama administration added more jobs to the economy, comparing similar time-frames. Under Trump, in the three years prior to the pandemic, there were an additional 6.4 million jobs. In the last three years under Obama, seven million jobs were added.
Real wages (adjusted for inflation) grew throughout Trump's first three years in office - continuing a steady upward trend that began during the first of President Obama's two terms.
This growth reached 2.1% per annum in February 2019, prior to the pandemic.
This is lower than the real wage increases of up to 2.4% that President Obama oversaw in 2015
Source -- https://www.bbc.com/news/world-45827430
Ali and all, I was pleased with the economy the last two years of Obama, and Trump's four years. We seemed to be lifting people out of poverty, adding jobs, and as I said wages grew a bit. We had good prices in regard to consumer products, and gas prices and utility prices were very good. I considered the economy pretty good. More came off welfare, and yes there was lots of political hate to go around --- I think many felt good about where the country was, and where it was headed.
Now in my view, we still have political hate, with a bad economy, people are at odds, and not feeling well about the way the country is headed. There is a feeling of depression hanging over the country. A feeling that no one is at the helm that can do the job. I think it will only get worse.Sharlee: It's not all doom and gloom under Biden the way you would like it to be.
https://www.thebalance.com/us-economic-outlook-3305669I had to check out your claims on Direction of Country and found this:
Obama Administration - Good Direction: Several ups and downs - Hi: 45, Lo: 18, Avg: 30
Trump Administration - Good Direction: Better than Obama (I'm surprised) - Hi: 41, Lo: 21, Avg: 38
Biden Administration - Good Direction: Too soon to tell - Hi: 42, Lo: 30, Avg: 36
Bottom line, 9 months in, Biden and Trump have roughly the same numbers. Both better than Obama.
Political Hate to go around? I really only see it coming from the Right. For every one bad Left action, the Right commits 10 - like the Gossert tweet about killing AOC and Biden. (I am really surprised he hasn't been arrested for threatening a president.)Come on the AOC think does not come close to all the crazy vile things that the Left nuts have presented in regards to Trump, and his family.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mu02pcxoCWs
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jmzRksWdvpI
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xfSzIw0U-2A
This kind of crap is crap no matter who dishes it up.
Maybe you need to accept both sides have inappropriate vile human beings.
"Bottom line, 9 months in, Biden and Trump have roughly the same numbers. Both better than Obama."
AND? It would appear the polls spoke volumes in regard to Trump... Did Trump win in 2020? No... Will the Democrats win in 2024? I don't see that happening. Even with the infrastructure being passed Biden continues to go down. Maybe time to realize no one like's his agenda, and those that voted for him are done with him. If the Dems keep the Black vote in 2024 it will be a miracle --- Can't imagine how inflation is affecting them... This inflation always hurts the less fortunate the worst. And unfortunately, people of color will suffer the most from all of Bidens BBB "Build Back Blunders". I actually think we will see a miracle, the blacks will finally see that the Democrats have used them for decades... The tide will turn, and it's about time.
In 2019, the poverty rate for the United States was 10.5%, the lowest since estimates were first released for 1959.
Poverty rates declined between 2018 and 2019 for all major race and Hispanic origin groups.
Two of these groups, Blacks and Hispanics, reached historic lows in their poverty rates in 2019. The poverty rate for Blacks was 18.8%; for Hispanics, it was 15.7%.
https://www.census.gov/library/stories/ … -2019.html
So, yes Biden and Trump have very similar polls, I expect them to mirror one another throughout Biden's term. My common sense and watching the polls throughout Trump's term forecasts his loss. I certainly had hoped he would win, but my common sense and the polls offered a realistic picture. As they do now, in the case of Biden or for the Democrats in 2022.Sharlee: Trump and Biden have three years to go. The difference is Biden has to run a country that has been plagued with things that are out of his control, like the pandemic and what it has caused. Trump and Biden have both used stimulus packages which have created demand with no supply. Cargo ships are still grid locked and inflation is trending upward. The interest rates are low for now, but will probably increase in the near future.
Trump on the other hand has three years left of campaigning and spreading his big lies. As they say the more times lies are repeated, the more the people will believe them. So by the end of three years, I believe he will have brainwashed the majority to be able to win the vote.
The red state governors who have used Trump's lies as an excuse to change their voting laws to prevent "non-existent voting fraud" will also help Trump to win.
Right now he is using Biden and the dems as his enemy because he is not running against any one in particular. So that gives him the freedom to spews his lies to the populous. Trump works best when he is fighting an enemy, even if it is make believe, like his big lies.
In my opinion, you have nothing to worry about Trump will win and all will be forgiven. Biden and the dems willl be history."Trump and Biden have both used stimulus packages which have created demand with no supply. Cargo ships are still gridlocked and inflation is trending upward. The interest rates are low for now, but will probably increase in the near future."
Trump offered one stimulus package carefully plan to help out citizens and businesses while he handled the pandemic. That bill was a sensible bill that would help get citizens through hard times, while not encouraging them to become dependent as Bidens two bills did. We are now seeing the results of Biden's poor decision-making in my view and in many of our top economist views. He has poured too much money into the economy and is still hoping to pour more in. That will totally tank our economy and much of the world's economy.
Please don't tell me about the gridlock at our ports. During the very worst of the pandemic, these port workers worked under Trump... The ports did not have backups until Biden stepped into office. His cash-free free, had people decide to not return to work, and spend much of the free money that Biden provided. It is clear that there are not enough workers to keep our ports running smoothly. I blame Biden ... He is the current guy... In my opinion, you are making vague excuses, and I have heard them all from the left media. My intelligence tells me who's fault this all is.
Yes, sully and demand is certainly a big part of the inflation, and Biden provided all that cash did he not? Common sense can be very awakening. So maybe imaging how much worse this could all get with BBB. God Almighty! And you say the interest rates are low right now". If those rates are raised we will see more inflation, and the poor will suffer far more than the rich or middle class.
I am tired of hearing about the "big lie"... Look at the polls the majority of the country cares less about the Big lie... They care about all the problems Biden has caused. The majority of American's are done with Biden --- he can't do the job. And maybe Dems should focus on the truth, their party is being destroyed by this president, and very quickly.
I have no idea if Trump will run... But Biden is certainly going to help him win. You might as well accept half of America may be more now due to Biden's poor job performance would vote for Trump. No one is brainwashed, American's are smart, and see what is occurring in the country. Trump need not use Biden or the Dem party, they have killed themselves. Wake up and look around. Trump spews America first, something most Americans are drawn to. Not many want to usher in socialism.
I have time and time again shared I hope Trump does not run for the counties well being. We need to all come back to the middle of the divide will deepen. Will I vote for Trump if he is on the ticket, at this point yes?
I like democracy as I have known it, I am not ready for any new form of Government.
And you know what --- Biden and the Dems did not need to be history as you put it... He could have come in and cooled his jets, and observed for a while, and perhaps not rocked the boat in a time that the country was already off-kilter due to a historic pandemic. People wanted just a bit of respite in my opinion. Instead of giving aways, he should have found ways for people to get back to work and their normal lives. Not stay home, push worries, push mandates, push push push... And actually not keep any of his campaign promises.CPVID is spiking more and more each day, with now more losing their lives on Bidens time. He left American's in Afghanistan, he has an out-of-control border, with a VP that has the lowest polls in our history as a Country. Just this morning it was reported that his big tax promise "no one that makes under $400,000 will pay more in taxes" was just another lie... It was scored and showed from 20% to 30% of the middle class will pay higher taxes while those that make above a million will see a big tax break. This man is a boldface liar. One can't really trust a word he says. Whether he said things out of confusion or just meant to be a lie. These kinds of lies are inexcusable. Not sure how you can continue to support this man's job performance or his character.
IMO We are Ameicans' we don't like being pushed and lied to constantly, feel Government overreach is out of control. He came out of the gate ahead but faded fast due to just lacking common sense to conserve his energy for the long run.Sharlee: "I am tired of hearing about the "big lie"... Look at the polls the majority of the country cares less about the Big lie... They care about all the problems Biden has caused. The majority of American's are done with Biden --- he can't do the job. And maybe Dems should focus on the truth, their party is being destroyed by this president, and very quickly."
You state Biden should have done all types of things that you think he didn't do, but then so should have Trump in his four years. Biden is blocked by the GOP, just like Obama was.
Most of the country could care less about the big lie that Trump continues to spew because they are tired of hearing him saying the same things over and over, so they tune it out as he continues his lying which he will probably do for the next three years.
According to you Biden is quickly destroying his party, so how quick is quick? He has three years and he is not going any place. If he is impeached, which will not happen, we get Kamela. There are two people that are conflicting his party, Sinema and Manchin.
"Just this morning it was reported that his big tax promise "no one that makes under $400,000 will pay more in taxes" was just another lie... It was scored and showed from 20% to 30% of the middle class will pay higher taxes while those that make above a million will see a big tax break. This man is a boldface liar. One can't really trust a word he says. Whether he said things out of confusion or just meant to be a lie. These kinds of lies are inexcusable. Not sure how you can continue to support this man's job performance or his character."
What is your source for that score? The CBO hasn't released their score yet, as far as I know. When you say it was just reported, who reported it?Sharlee:: You left out these part of your article.
"Taking into account all major tax provisions, roughly 20 percent to 30 percent of middle-income households would pay more in taxes in 2022. However, their tax increases would be very small. Among those with a tax increase, low- and middle-income households would pay an additional $100 or less on average. Those making $200,000-$500,000 would pay an average of about $230 more."
And here is the conclusion of the article:
"Finally, analyzing the House Democrats’ plan is especially complicated because the effective dates of its many tax provisions vary widely. While TPC usually tries to show the effects of tax bills for a year when all tax changes are fully effective, there is no year when all of the BBB provisions would apply.
While the latest version of Biden’s signature initiative drops or revises many of his original proposals, it still reflects one key goal: It would raise taxes on high income households and corporations while reducing, or at least not raising, taxes for the vast majority of low- and moderate-income households."
"This man is a boldface liar. One can't really trust a word he says. Whether he said things out of confusion or just meant to be a lie. These kinds of lies are inexcusable. Not sure how you can continue to support this man's job performance or his character."
There is nothing in the link that you provided that indicates Biden is a bold face liar. However, you have only copied those parts of the article that make it look like Biden is a bold face liar and doesn't know what he is doing.She does tend to do that, omitting key pieces of information to try and prove a false narrative.
Adding to I read an article today from local area San Diego news station sharing the BBB will cut taxes for nearly all households. They got there information to make that conclusion from The Tax Policy Center of Urban Institute & Brookings Institution. So, we discover there are different sources to consider.
Link to local news station article
https://www.nbcsandiego.com/news/busine … s/2791519/
Link to the Tax Policy Center report with a column for average changes by quintile.
https://www.taxpolicycenter.org/model-e … ee-print-0Yet, I read it would raise taxes in the middle class. It would appear Biden misrepresented the bill on many occasions. This was a point I was concerned about, not a given amount some of the middle class's taxes will rise. Just the out-and-out lie we have had to endure time after time.
https://www.taxpolicycenter.org/taxvox/ … hem-others
Your shoulder chip is showing --- I offered two links for you to read in their entirety unless you feel you need a complete article to be copied and pasted. I left nothing out ... I assumed you would look at the articles, and read them, and make your own conclusion.
And yes there is certainly information that shows Biden to have lied. It would seem you forgot all the various times Biden has publicly claimed ---- in his creepy whisper ---" No one that makes under $400,000 will have a tax increase." Again the link
Quote from the link I provided --
"Taking into account all major tax provisions, roughly 20 percent to 30 percent of middle-income households would pay more in taxes in 2022. However, their tax increases would be very small. Among those with a tax increase, low- and middle-income households would pay an additional $100 or less on average. Those making $200,000-$500,000 would pay an average of about $230 more.
Looking at direct taxes only, fewer than 0.1 percent of those making $500,000 or less would pay more in taxes than under current law. A proposed increase in the nicotine tax that TPC did not include as a direct tax could boost that share slightly. " https://www.taxpolicycenter.org/taxvox/ … hem-others
A lie is a lie...
Biden in his own words...
How can you even question this lie?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tockH0_qI08
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GSiNnUsNYbc
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Din4oeyXt4E
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sq_dBcSMRLQ
Hopefully, you will answer these questions.-- Did Biden lie when he claimed people making under $400,000 will not pay more in taxes? Does this report not indicate 20% to 30% of the middle class will pay higher taxes? Did Biden not say time after time only those that make over $400,000 will see their taxes raised? Yes or no will suffice. I don't buy into walk-backs or patched-up non-facts.
A lie is a lie no matter how a wordsmith spins it. I looked a what Biden has been saying for months, and now the facts show his words to be totally untrue.
We look at things very differently, I don't buy into what I hope to hear, or do I ever appreciate being lied to. I look at it this sort of deception as cheap politicking and being talked down to.Sharlee: Those videos were made in April. There have been many changes made since then. Just a reminder Trump said that the virus would go away just like the flu, in a few days. He lied and caused a whole country to be delayed by months to get the vaccine, but that is O.K. with you.
I will go right to a source I would hope you will trust "The White House" Publication ---
SEPTEMBER 16, 2021 SPEECHES AND REMARKS
https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefing-roo … economy-4/
"Second, we’re not going to raise taxes on anyone making under $400,000. That’s a lot of money. Some of my liberal friends are saying it should be lower than that. But only corporations and people making over $400,000 a year are going to pay any additional tax.
And third, not only will no one making under $400,000 see their taxes go up, the middle class are going to going to get some tax cuts — some breaks."
He has made this statement over and over in the past months when they drag him out and put in in front of a podium. If you have not heard him provide this BS , it makes me think you are not watching his live"
outings"
The link offered I offered should suffice in proving his lie. Yes, my youtube was a bit older, he has been making this statement for many months.
Biden is president now... Not Trump. Biden is responsible for his own lies.
I note you did not answer my questions. Just made an attempt to deflect Trump. I can provide clip after clip in the recent weeks of Biden telling his tax lie. I would think the White House statement would be gold ... Unless you feel it just untrue?Sharlee: That transcript is Biden's proposal for BBB and the infrastructure plan dated September 21. At that time, none of it was law. I read it in its entirety and could find nothing about him lying at that time.
Please point out to me where the lies are, not the proposals he is making. Trump is responsible for his own lies as well. I guess you don't want to consider how hypocritical it is to point out what you think are Biden's lies and you are just O.K. with Trump's lies. If Trump wasn't on a quest to become president with all his influence over the GOP, I would care less about his lies. But he and his cohorts are guilty and he continues to lie with impunity. Therefore I don't believe it is a distraction on my part, but it is relevant to this forum.
As I said before, you are so bent on trying to prove Biden lies that you can't even wait to see what the final outcome of BBB is and if it even becomes law. I'm sure there will be changes from what Biden proposed, but it may never become law because the GOP doesn't want to give Biden that win. The bill is in a state of flux. You are trying to prove Biden is lying by capturing some of his early proposals that may have even been shot down by now. Please show me where he has lied in that transcript that was just a proposal for his plan. Sinema and Manchin still have a lot of control as to what will end up in the final bill.The tax bill was inspected by the Tax Policy Center. TPT asset the Taxes proposal in BBB. It would very much appear whatever was in the tax plan is not protecting those that make under $400,000 and maybe never did... Yet Biden pushed that mistruth daily, and I assume still will.
Oct 5, 2021, Remarks by President Biden on the Bipartisan Infrastructure Bill and Build Back Better Agenda In Michigan
"As a matter of fact, a significant portion of this plan cuts taxes for working people.
And best of all, the cost of these bills, in terms of adding to the deficit, is zero. Zero. Zero. And I made a commitment when I wrote these when I was running: No one making under $400,000 a year will see a penny in their taxes go up. That’s why, in the infrastructure bill, there is no gas tax increase, because people making under 400 would have to pay more."
https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefing-roo … er-agenda/
President Biden Announces the Build Back Better Framework
OCTOBER 28, 2021 STATEMENTS AND RELEASES
"The framework will create a fairer tax system through transformation investments in the IRS: hiring enforcement agents who are trained to pursue wealthy evaders, modernizing outdated IRS technology, and investing in taxpayer service, so regular Americans can get their questions answer
ed and access to the credits and benefits they are entitled to. Additional enforcement resources will be focused on pursuing those with the highest incomes; not Americans with income less than $400,000."
Nov 6 2021 --- Remarks by President Biden on Passage of the Bipartisan Infrastructure Deal
NOVEMBER 06, 2021 SPEECHES AND REMARKS
"And so — and keep my campaign commitment: It does not raise a single penny in tax for anyone making less than $400,000 a year. Say it again: Folks, no matter what they tell you, you’re going to find out this will not affect your taxes one little bit in having to pay a penny more if you make less than $400,000 a year." https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefing-roo … ture-deal/
Nov 10 2021 --- 3 days ago ---Remarks by President Biden on the Bipartisan Infrastructure Deal
NOVEMBER 10, 2021 SPEECHES AND REMARKS
"And guess what? That’s in the Recovery Act — excuse me — that’s in the Build Back Better Bill, which is not going to raise taxes one single cent. It’s totally paid for. Totally paid for by making taxes work for people who make over 400 grand and just do their fair share. "https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefing-room/speeches-remarks/2021/11/10/remarks-by-president-biden-on-the-bipartisan-infrastructure-deal-2/
I prefer to use his own words from the White House transcript.
And hear also his own word -- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mSkDlFJvewA
I am not Ok with any lies out of Washington, that would have applied for Trump, as it does now for Biden.
MY gosh, I dislike having to be unkind but --- You say --- As I said before, you are so bent on trying to prove Biden lies that you can't even wait to see what the final outcome of BBB is and if it even becomes law."
He has stood at podium after podium and openly made this very matter a fact promise for many months. It certainly appears his word are untrue after the Tax Policy Center has offered their view, their evaluation of the very Tax plan he has been touting. Yes, the bill could be tweaked. BBB is being scored as written., with Biden's tax plan. His tax plan was misrepresented to the public. This is proven by the outcome of the Tax Policy Centers report.
I have offered you now several links to many transcripts, a speech on what is in the bill, the framework he offered, and his remarks on what is in the bill.
It would seem you don't feel any of his words, no matter how very clear the context is, matters.
In regard to Trump - We have a new president, It seems very foolish to continue to compare one against the other. It certainly does not excuse Biden lying, now does it?
At any rate, BBB looks to be dead in the water.Sharlee: I don't care how many transcripts and videos you post about Biden lying about his BBB plan, until it actually becomes law, it is only his proposal and plan. You can't prove he is lying until the BBB is implemented and what he says in his plan does not work..
For example, if he has to tax the middle class to pay for the BBB then he is lying. It is supposed to be funded by taxing those making more 400,000. If it doesn't then he is lying.
On the other hand, it is a proven fact that Trump lied about the virus being benign in January because he knew it wasn't and he is still lying about the election being stolen and Jan.6. That is the difference between a proven lie and a proposal. That's why you use words like " It certainly appears and it looks like." because you can't definitely prove he is lying.
Here is the CBO process for Biden's plan.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics … ing-bills/
Here is what the White House says about Biden's plan:
https://www.whitehouse.gov/build-back-better/"Sharlee: I don't care how many transcripts and videos you post about Biden lying about his BBB plan until it actually becomes law, it is only his proposal and plan. You can't prove he is lying until the BBB is implemented and what he says in his plan does not work.."
It is very obvious we are not looking at what I see as a problem. In my opinion, if a president makes a claim over and over in regard to what is in a bill he supports, and that bill is submitted with that very Tax plan in this case ---- And that plan is seen to not be as he has claimed --- he lied. He is promoting a claim and has a large stage to do so. American's certainly could promote their representatives to vote for BBB trusting that the president would not lie about what's in the bill. He has made the claim, the TPC found his claim is not supported in the BBB tax plan.
I can't really wrap my head around your mindset in this case. It would appear you feel a president can say anything he pleases, without standing behind what he says, He has misrepresented this bill, and I am very sure there is much more that will be uncovered in the weeks to come in that bill.
"For example, if he has to tax the middle class to pay for the BBB then he is lying. It is supposed to be funded by taxing those making more than $400,000. If it doesn't then he is lying."
If the evaluation of Biden's tax plan by Tax Policy Center is what they see as factual. Biden lied told American's his plan would not raise taxes for anyone making over $400,000. He offered TPC his plan as it was written by congress. I am very sure they knew what was in the bill when they offered it. If Biden did not realize what was in the bill, and just made a claim over and over about his $400,000 BS, he was either confused or really have no idea what is in the new tax plan. However, his press secretary has made the same claim over, and over as has Pelosi.
My gosh, it would seem you feel Biden can just say whatever he pleases never mind it is true. Like I said I in no respect understand your mindset. he lies constantly, as he did with the $450,000 that is being negotiated for immigrants that were separated under Trump. This man does not know up from down. He just goes off on the first thing that comes
to his mind.
"On the other hand, it is a proven fact that Trump lied about the virus being benign in January because he knew it wasn't "
How in the world would you feel that Trump would have known the virus was benign in Jan?
Please note date --- This is the time period that Trump was claiming all was under control, and he did make other statements adding his opinion about the virus that I felt were his opinion, and yet inappropriate. However, WHO, Fauci as well as the CDC, and Pelosi were all playing the virus down. One only needs to read this very informative Transcript from the CDC briefing.
Transcript of 2019 Novel Coronavirus Response Telebriefing
Press Briefing Transcript
Friday, January 17, 2020
"Nancy Messonnier: Great. Good afternoon and thank you for the opportunity to provide you with an update regarding the outbreak of pneumonia in Wuhan City, China, which has been identified as being caused by a novel coronavirus. This is a serious situation. We have faced this challenge before first with SARS and later with MERS. Both outbreaks were complex and required a comprehensive public health response. Because of that experience, we know it’s crucial to be proactive and prepared. Frist, outbreaks of new diseases among people are always a public health concern. Second, while the discovery of a new virus can be exciting, we are still learning about it. This means our recommendations will continue to evolve as we learn more about the virus. Since the outbreaks of MERS and SARS, we have made improved in our capacity in the United States and around the world. We’re now better poised to respond to this new threat quickly and collaboratively. Based on the information that CDC has today, we believe the current risk from this virus to the general public is LOW. FO TONIGHT, THIS IS NOT SOMETHING THAT THEY GENERALLY NEED TO BE CONCERNED WITH" https://www.cdc.gov/media/releases/2020 … ening.html
The WHO was also saying the same thing, and well as Fauchi... I become tired of hearing the claim Trump downplayed the virus. One can see his comments changed as the virus evolved. Again believe what you please. I have followed the timelines on CDC WHO, Fauchi, and Trump. I feel very confident I know the context of Trump's comments and how they evolved.
You may need to look for dependable sources in regard to the pandemic. The timeline is very important, especially when considering what was being said by Trump, the CDC, WHO, and Fauchi. I just don't buy what the crowd buys into. I like to look to the best sources I don't care for second-hand talk jock BS. And the CDC, WHO are reputable sources in regard to the pandemic timeline. What was known about the virus, and when it was finally taken to be serious. The real failures were the CDC and WHO. And they can't be blamed due to the lack of cooperation from China. Funny how some Americans just can't place the blame where it should be placed -- China.
In regards to Jan 6th, and his claim of winning the election I find them destructive, and untrue in regard to widespread fraud. I don't support violent protests of any kind... zero --- Not sure how many times I need to repeat that. You have become a broken record needlessly in regard to Jan 6th.Sharlee:
Sorry, my mistake about Trump lying about the virus in January. It was February. But at the end of this comment, there is a link to a timeline that shows Trump's claim that it would go away 38 times, starting February 10, 2020
While I can appreciate you not supporting violence of any kind, this is not about the violence of Jan. 6 other than the fact that Trump lied about it and he lied about stealing the election. As a matter of fact, Trump lied and misinformed over 12,000 documented times during his four years in office. So much about your comments about president can say anything they want and not stand behind it.
I could claim Trump is lying about being president in three years, but without proof, I can't say he lied, because it hasn't happened yet; therefore it is just my opinion
It is the difference of accusing somebody lying before the act when there is no compelling proof and proving that they lied after the act with compelling proof and evidence. Trump lied about stealing the election and Jan. 6 It is in past tense because it was proved many times after he made the claim and he continues to do so.
According to you, Biden is lying, but you can't say he lied about BBB because there is no after the fact. If someone is campaigning and their rhetoric is filled with lies, you can't claim they lied without proof.
Trump's Timeline of 38 times he said the virus would go away, starting on February 10, 2020 and continuing to October 16, 2020
https://www.cnn.com/interactive/2020/10 … t-tracker/Are you saying that if one predicts the future, and the prediction is wrong, it becomes a lie? That regardless of intent or available knowledge predictions that don't come true are lies? If so then weather forecasters must be the biggest liars in the world, without any form of moral structure.
I can't figure out his thought process? It would seem he may feel Biden can repeatedly say he will provide a new tax plan in a given bill -- and even when it's been ascertained the bill does not provide what Biden has been promising, after being read, he seems to be willing to just give Biden a pass. All due to the bill may not be passed. I deem it a lie due to Biden making the claim that it is in the bill time after time, month after month. Promoting to all American's "no one making under $400,000 will pay more taxes".
I trust the Tax Policy Center more than I do Biden at this point.Since you trust the TPC then that means you didn't read my earlier comment about what they said. Here, I will repeat if for you.
What the TPC ACTUALLY say is "In a new analysis, the Tax Policy Center estimates that the major tax changes in the latest version of President Biden’s Build Back Better plan would cut taxes on average for nearly all income groups in 2022. The exception: Those in the top 1 percent, who will make about $885,000 or more. They’d pay about $55,000 more than under current law. Those in the top 0.1 percent, who make about $4 million and up, would pay an additional $585,000 on average, a 5.9 percent reduction in their after-tax income."
So who is lying now? Biden or the Right-wing propaganda you listen to?[I provided a link to that very information. You left out this --- My main point was that the evaluation showed Biden's statement in regard to no one making under $400,000 would be paying more in taxes. This statement was found to be untrue. Biden made this claim over and over and over...
You left this part of the Tax Policy Centers evaluation out --
"Taking into account all major tax provisions, roughly 20 percent to 30 percent of middle-income households would pay more in taxes in 2022. However, their tax increases would be very small. Among those with a tax increase, low- and middle-income households would pay an additional $100 or less on average. Those making $200,000-$500,000 would pay an average of about $230 more. "
"The picture would CHANGES somewhat in 2023. Among the reasons: The bill would extend the 2021 expansions of the Child Tax Credit (CTC) for 2022 only. In addition, one of the major tax increases in the bill, the corporate minimum tax on book income, isn’t scheduled to take effect until 2023. TPC allocates corporate taxes to households, as investors and workers.
In general, the combined effects of these changes would result in many households paying higher taxes in 2023 than in 2022. They would shrink the average 2023 tax cuts for low-income households, raise taxes slightly for moderate-income households, and increase taxes significantly for the highest-income households."
This certainly does not support Biden's promise to the middle class and poor.
https://www.taxpolicycenter.org/taxvox/ … hem-others
"Sorry, my mistake about Trump lying about the virus in January. It was February. But at the end of this comment, there is a link to a timeline that shows Trump's claim that it would go away 38 times, starting February 10, 2020"
I already admitted Trump offered his opinion when perhaps he should not have. But while perhaps thinking something different he was quick to listen to his task force and developed Operation Warp speed, get everything in regards to PPE, vent's, and turn venues into hospitals all with great speed, and then he provide vaccines in 8 months time. It is clear you are a word guy and can look past job performance and deeds.
I am just the opposite I have always felt "money talks, BS walks".
Do you really not realize you ruminate on Trump? It seems you can't see past anything but his words. I find that remarkable.
Do you know Washington Post is not keeping a list of Biden's lies? And his lies are blatant and almost daily. The media is carrying water for him. And doing a poor job at it. That shows in his polls.
You need not say he lies, that is your opinion. I have not asked you to say he lies. I pointed out I feel he lied, that is my opinion. I must laugh I can't imagine if Trump had made such a promise.
I see what you're trying to say in regard to let's see if it passes and see if he does not keep his word... This is laughable. The Tax Policy Center has already told us 20% to 30% of the middle class will have a tax raised as the bill stands. It would seem the bill would need to be changed due to it not being what they have all promised for months. The tax plan they all lied about. Thank God the Tax Policy Center blew the whistle.
Trump certainly said it would go away... And it will in many many years.
So far Biden has done nothing to slow COVID, and he is coming on a year in office very soon. Percentage-wise more died on Joe's time, and numbers of infections are once again on the rise. He could not bring American's together in regard to getting vaccinated. He is an ineffective problem solver. He is all talk, and we know BS walks.
Sorry, I don't read or watch CNN, I will stick with the majority that has turned out.
I must say I don't understand how you can look at some of the statements that WAPO listed as Trump lies, and continue to see a president out and out misrepresenting a tax plan that could be voted into law. The is just unbelievable. I guess you may just ascribe to one that thinks we don't need to read the BBB bill until after it passes. "Did Nancy Pelosi Say Obamacare Must be Passed to ‘Find Out What Is in It’?"
Did you get to keep your doctor?Sharlee: Obama was given the wrong information and as soon as he found out, he admitted to the public that what he said was wrong about keeping your doctor.
Yes Pelosi did say Obamacare must be passed to find out what is in it. That is because It is over a a 3, 000 page body of health care laws that governs everything health care including, patient, doctors, and insurance companies. And it was being changed up until the last moment before it was passed.
It is not a 19 page insurance policy that the GOP tried to pass many times. That's why the repeal of Obama Care has not been successful.
I keep bringing up Trump because he is a classic example of one who has the knowledge of the truth, but has the intention to deceive others for his own advantage and benefit. How many times has Trump admitted that he was wrong or admitted being guilty? And he continues to deceive with his lies as he prepares to run for office in three years.
I believe you don't want to look at the CNN report about Trump lying 38 times because you are afraid of what you will find. Again while I can appreciate what he did with Operation Warp Speed, it does not take away from Trump waiting too long to implement it. If he would have acted when he first had the knowledge, the virus would not have spread so quickly and taken such a stronghold.
The BBB plan is also a body of laws. Here is the framework for the plan. It is a frame work by design because just like Obama Care, if it is passed it will become a body of laws, probably over 1,000 pages. (my guess)
https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefing-roo … framework/
You say you don't trust Biden, but you trust the Tax Policy Center because they "blew the whistle on Biden." Here is the latest conclusion from the TPC;
"While the latest version of Biden’s signature initiative drops or revises many of his original proposals, it still reflects one key goal: It would raise taxes on high income households and corporations while reducing, or at least not raising, taxes for the vast majority of low- and moderate-income households. "
Here is the link to the TPC. Please tell me where it shows Biden is lying about the BBC plan and where they have blown the whistle.
https://www.taxpolicycenter.org/taxvox/ … hem-others"I keep bringing up Trump because he is a classic example of one who has the knowledge of the truth, but has the intention to deceive others for his own advantage and benefit. How many times has Trump admitted that he was wrong or admitted being guilty? And he continues to deceive with his lies as he prepares to run for office in three years."
The point is well taken, as it has been for the 1,000's of time's we have discussed your feelings in regard to Trump being dishonest. In many of the situations, I have agreed he was dishonest. Not sure again why you need to bring this subject up time and time again. In this conversation, I was pointing to my view that Biden was dishonest. This is a specific mistruth that I feel Biden committed. We need not lessen his lie by comparing it to any other lies. In my opinion, this does not exonerate or lessen Biden's lie.
It's like your say well he did it so can I...
I was the one that introduced the Tax Policy Centers evaluation. I am aware of every word. I took my information on 29% to 30% of the middle class will see their taxes go up under Bidnens plan.
You seem to not feel that part of the report is important. It is the paragraph that proves my allegation --- That Biden has been pushing a lie for many months.
Do you dispute this paragraph or are you just willing to ignore it?
"Taking into account all major tax provisions, roughly 20 percent to 30 percent of middle-income households would pay more in taxes in 2022. However, their tax increases would be very small. Among those with a tax increase, low- and middle-income households would pay an additional $100 or less on average. Those making $200,000-$500,000 would pay an average of about $230 more. "
"The picture would CHANGES somewhat in 2023. Among the reasons: The bill would extend the 2021 expansions of the Child Tax Credit (CTC) for 2022 only. In addition, one of the major tax increases in the bill, the corporate minimum tax on book income, isn’t scheduled to take effect until 2023. TPC allocates corporate taxes to households, as investors and workers.
In general, the combined effects of these changes would result in many households paying higher taxes in 2023 than in 2022. They would shrink the average 2023 tax cuts for low-income households, raise taxes slightly for moderate-income households, and increase taxes significantly for the highest-income households."
I am not willing to argue what's good in the plan over bad... I am simply pointing out a huge lie.
Once again I post this source --- the same source you posted, my paragraphs were taken from this same source
https://www.taxpolicycenter.org/taxvox/ … hem-others
"His tax plan is a shell game...
There are other caveats to TPC’s analysis. The authors note that the effective dates of the tax provisions “vary widely” in the legislation."
"Nearly all income groups would see their tax bill drop in 2022, on average, if President Joe Biden signs the House Democrats’ latest version of the Build Back Better plan into law, a new analysis finds"
Further information on SALT benefits the wealthy. https://www.taxpolicycenter.org/taxvox/ … dle-income
“While TPC usually tries to show the effects of tax bills for a year when all tax changes are fully effective, there is no year when all of the BBB provisions would apply,” the report reads.
And things get complicated after 2022. For example, the expansion of the Child Tax Credit (CTC) is included only for next year in the current bill. That means the overall tax cuts for low-income households would shrink in 2023 relative to 2022, and moderate-income households would pay “slightly” higher taxes, according to the report.
The bill also increases the state and local tax deduction cap from $10,000 to $80,000, which benefits high-income households the most."
At any rate, it is clear we look at what constitutes a lie. I am not willing to see this tax plan as nothing but a lie that Biden pushed verbally, and knew exactly what was in the actual plan when it was handed to the TPC to evaluate.Sharlee: That is why his plan is called a framework. It is like an outline. There could be many changes between now and the time it is approved, if it ever gets approved. A lot is dependent on how the CBO scores it. If it is not close to being revenue neutral as far as funding goes, it will get a very low score and it will never pass.
Also Manchin is the wild card in the game. He could insist on significant changes.. I refuse to call Biden a liar until you can prove that he knows otherwise. I believe he knows what is in his plan and believes everything that is in it.
From your post and the TPC.
This what you posted to justify Biden's lie, but again you left out the most significant point at the end. It is shown in bold.
I was the one that introduced the Tax Policy Centers evaluation. I am aware of every word. I took my information on 29% to 30% of the middle class will see their taxes go up under Bidnens plan.
Among those with a tax increase, low- and middle-income households would pay an additional $100 or less on average. Those making $200,000-$500,000 would pay an average of about $230 more.
"And things get complicated after 2022. For example, the expansion of the Child Tax Credit (CTC) is included only for next year in the current bill. That means the overall tax cuts for low-income households would shrink in 2023 relative to 2022, and moderate-income households would pay “slightly” higher taxes, according to the report."
Where is the Biden lie? it states: moderate-income households would pay “slightly” higher taxes, according to the report. What is slightly higher taxes? At this point without assigning a figure, it is just a relative term.
"The bill also increases the state and local tax deduction cap from $10,000 to $80,000, which benefits high-income households the most."
Where is Biden's lie there? Isn't that a good thing, the rich get a bigger tax deduction, but have to pay more in taxes.
I believe you have blown this whole Biden lie thing out of proportion. Nothing is going to happen until the CBO does their scoring. And now they are talking about doing it after the first of the year."Among those with a tax increase, low- and middle-income households would pay an additional $100 or less on average. Those making $200,000-$500,000 would pay an average of about $230 more. "
So, you feel this the size of the amount "lessens the lie"? If the cost was more, do you feel that would be more apt to be a lie? Ok..
"Where is the Biden lie? it states: moderate-income households would pay “slightly” higher taxes, according to the report. What is slightly higher taxes? At this point without assigning a figure, it is just a relative term."
This also is a very deceiving mistruth --- "And things get complicated after 2022. For example, the expansion of the Child Tax Credit (CTC) is included only for next year in the current bill. That means the overall tax cuts for low-income households would shrink in 2023 relative to 2022, and moderate-income households would pay “slightly” higher taxes, according to the report."
Shell game, and a very obvious one. The rich get really rich, and boy do the poor get poorer.
It will be very interesting to see the CBO score evaluation. I say we will be right back here... Me pointing out the bill costing at least double of what Biden claimed it would cost, and it will take many more years to pay for such a pipe dream of free free free.Sharlee: I posted this once, but I think you ignored it.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics … ing-bills/It's Washington Post and like CNN, it only lies. The only truth tellers out there Fox, OAN, Brietbart, Bannon's War Room, and the other Russian mouthpieces.
I depend on the CBO to evaluate the bill, and as a rule, the CBO’s forecasting is reasonably accurate, although not ever 100% the best we have to score such a bill.
It appears many economists at this point are claiming the cost of BBB is more than double what Congress is reporting. I am certainly not predicting the cost of the bill, however, I will go out on a limb and guess it will go way over what Congress has touted.
I am very pleased with the score of the infrastructure bill, although costs are higher than Congress claimed. And Biden's statement "it will cost zero" rings once again foolish, and untrue.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wIpPsMTR7ug
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics … o-dollars/
https://www.cbo.gov/publication/57406Sharlee: Hey! He only got two pinnochios. How many did Trump get for saying Mexico would pay for the wall? And he ended up trying to steal 3.8 billion from the pentagon for his wall that can be scaled with $5.00 worth of scrap wood.
Two Pinocchios: "Significant omissions and/or exaggerations. Some factual error may be involved but not necessarily. A politician can create a false, misleading impression by playing with words and using legalistic language that means little to ordinary people."
https://www.npr.org/2020/02/13/80579661 … order-wall" A politician can create a false, misleading impression by playing with words and using legalistic language that means little to ordinary people."
when using words like "It will cost zero" or "no one making under $400,000 will have their taxes raised" not sure many feel the same way you do. It's very clear politicians stretch the truth, but this kind of verbiage is out and outlying. But, it is obvious that some like yourself are very much satisfied with this form of politicking. It does answer the question or give a view into why we have such a divide. The mindset is so different on either side.
Play on words --- "it will cost zero... " and then there is this --- "We will not leave until all American's are out".
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wA-lQEYaulc
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=91XSWQjmXg0
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ciXaP26TJBg
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-pql_bSLUtE
"This man is a pathological liar, he lies just to hear himself lie...To bolster whatever he feels needs bolstering, he could care little about who is roadkill in his made-up stories.
In an interview with Fox News host Sean Hannity, Wendy Rittenhouse said then-presidential candidate Joe Biden wrongly implied her son was a white supremacist following the 2020 incident in Kenosha.
“When I saw that, I was in shock. I was angry. President Biden don’t know my son whatsoever and he’s not a white supremacist. He’s not a racist. He did that for the votes,” she said.
Her comments stem from a September 2020 video Biden tweeted that included an image of Kyle Rittenhouse carrying the rifle he used from the night of the shooting."
Hopefully, she sues him... He needs to be curtailed and has no right to impune others as he did when he continually referred to a man that was the other party in an accident that killed his wife and child. " a man that drank his lunch". ... https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/20 … er-draws-/
We can at this point say we are even on Trump versus Biden lies... I will say Biden's lies are all very odd and seem unnecessary. he lies just to lie.Yeah, hopefully she sues him. Then the evidence from the trial of Rittenhouse mingling with the Proud Boys can finally be admitted to a case. Since at the debate that your tweet references, that is exactly who Trump was asked about and refused to denounce - the Proud Boys.
Whatever... I would have guessed you would be condemning a guy that was clearly trying to get away from a crowd chasing him and attacking him. Oh, and wonder how many of those proud boys may have raped little children?
Who Kyle spoke with that night has no bearing on him defending himself from those that physically attracted him. In fact, if your preference or thought that proud boys could be entered into a court case Kyles mom brings, if you are correct that Character can be entered into the case --- It would also be plausible that all four of the discussing human beings that attacked this kid characters will be on display.
I can't believe anyone can not see that this boy was defending himself. It IMO it sickens me too. hear this kind of rhetoric.
And as I said I hope this mom takes on Biden. He has such a long history of lying, he needs to be shown for what he is -- a liar.
And actually, Trump has denounced all-white supremacists on multiple occasions -- But you just were not listening. They got ya just where they want ya... LOL
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S6PFZNruJes
He denounced it over and over https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bbpzwE16Wqc
NOTED you ignored my accusation and list of disruptive lies that Biden is guilty of.In the video posted to Biden's site, not spoken by Biden mind you:
Chris Wallace is heard asking Trump as images play, 'Are you willing to condemn white supremacists and militia groups and to say that they need to stand down and not add to the violence in a number of these cities, as we saw in Kenosha (photo of Rittenhouse shows) and as we've seen in Portland.
So, as always, you either do not know about or are purposefully being fed information that leaves out some very important details where the Biden video mentions militia groups.
Meanwhile, we all heard with our own ears, 'stand back and stand by' come out of Trump's mouth when specifically asked about the Proud Boys during that debate when asked to clearly denounce them.
As I have noted, and you clearly chose to ignore, in the thread I created about Rittenhouse, that Rittenhouse was clearly defending himself. That doesn't exclude him from cavorting with known members of a far-right neo-fascist group. And one could easily argue that he was acting as part of an armed militia as he said he went there to help protect property. Thereby, the claim in the Biden video was completely TRUE.Was it the far-right chasing him, and attacking him? Not sure how anyone could ascertain on that very night who was who.
I know I will be sorry I asked -- But where in the hell did you get 't he was cavorting with known members of a far-right neo-fascist group?
I do know that the prosecutor looked into his social media, and his cell phone records, and found nothing that indicated he was cavorting with far-right groups. I said how does one point out who's who in that mob?
I would like a source for that allegation.There are plenty of links to him with the Proud Boys. Here is one with him flashing white power signs while having some beers with them:
https://www.9and10news.com/2021/01/14/k … wer-signs/
And like I said, he admitted going there to protect property while armed. There are plenty of links out there to corroborate that as well.
White power signs, shows up armed to protect property. Yeah, no one was defamed at all.Also, the owners of that property didn't want their property protected and it is illegal to shoot somebody in order to defend property.
Wisconsin law says differently --- Quote --- "The Wisconsin Castle Doctrine provides civil and criminal protections to property owners who use force against intruders in order to protect themselves, their family or guests, or their property from serious harm." https://www.eisenberglaw.org/wisconsin- … us%20harm.
Please prove your claim... Onc again you offer a claim that just is not true.
