What are the Great Things President Joe Biden Has Done While President
This is, of course, an open question since he has just started his four years, but since the RINO Party is already saying defeating Covid and growing the economy is a disaster, I thought I would start a thread that proves them wrong.
I just listed two things he has done:
- Got America well on its way to putting the pandemic behind us
- Started the economy growing again. Already he has decreased the Public Debt to GDP ratio from Trump's historic high of 131% to 127% in the span of three months.
- First time unemployment claims are at pandemic lows for several weeks running now.Total nonfarm payroll employment rose by 266,000 in April, Hopefully, May's numbers will improve. Many states have removed the Bidens $300.00 incentive not to return to work. So we have a chance of seeing better numbers.
Inflation speeds up in April as consumer prices leap 4.2%, fastest since 2008 We are in a recession. at this point. Gas prices souring, as well as consumer goods. It will be interesting to see if our economy corrects these problems. However, I bet not. https://www.cnbc.com/2021/05/12/consume … -2021.html
Not sure why you feel Joe gets a gold star for his handling of COVID?
I give total credit toTrump's Operation Warp Speed that has been truly the ones handling the Vaccine rollout. Not one of that teak was canned when Biden took office.
He also has lost his bid to have the Jan 6th protest investigated by Congress.
Then there is the border problem with drugs and migrants pouring at a record-breaking rate. More fentanyl collected by border patrol in the first four months than all of 2020. Need I mention 22 thousand unaccompanied children we are now responsible for.
Not sure you should have not waited a bit before celebrating Biden's first few months in office. He is failing on every count."Many states have removed the Bidens $300.00 incentive not to return to work. So we have a chance of seeing better numbers." - Florida is one of those states and has a severe problem of hiring in "fast food" type businesses. The enhanced unemployment ends mid-June.
I am open to believing that it maybe responsible for the hiring problems. I also would not be surprised if it is other reasons some say. Come July 1, we should know.
As to the recession - Reuters reports this:
"The U.S. economy is growing at its fastest rate since the early 1980s while household bank accounts are bulging with cash doled out by the federal government to blunt the impact of the coronavirus pandemic.
Over 900,000 jobs were added in March and a Reuters poll of economists expects just under one million more for April, although some forecasters expect double that gain.
Is the United States still in recession?"
But then follows up with this - "Common sense and a lot of data say no, but the Business Cycle Dating Committee, a panel organized by the National Bureau of Economic Research that acts as the official arbiter of U.S. recessions, has not yet pinned down an end date for the contraction it said started after February 2020, around the onset of the pandemic"
My guess is the NBER will declare an end to the recession sometime around the end of July when the 2nd quarters numbers are in (assuming they show positive growth again)
Inflation has been abnormally low since the Great 2008 recession. I hate to see it, but inflation MUST grow because prices have been depressed for so long now. The question is can the Fed keep it from increasing too much.
As to gas prices, Trump, Biden, Congress, and hardly anybody else has control over that. There are only a very few things that determine the price of oil, and therefore gas. They are 1) supply, 2) demand, 3) market speculation, 4) events that potentially can impact the supply of oil (e.g. war, Trump getting out of the nuclear deal, Saudi Arabia getting pissed at the world), and 5) events that decrease demand (e.g. the pandemic). Obviously a president can (and have in the past such as Bush 1'd defense of Kuwait and Bush 2's invasion of Iraq) or Congress can do things that lead to cause number 4, but it has to be pretty big and long
lasting.
The border problems with drugs have been there for generations and won't decline until America can solve its own addiction problem. The problems with migrants won't go away until the reasons driving migrants to the US are reduced.
This "failing on every count." is where you lose me because it is simply not true unless you claim he failed getting people vaccinated or got the economy growing again."Inflation in April accelerated at its fastest pace in more than 12 years as the U.S. economic recovery kicked into gear and energy prices jumped higher, the Labor Department reported Wednesday.
The Consumer Price Index, which measures a basket of goods as well as energy and housing costs, rose 4.2% from a year earlier. A Dow Jones survey had expected a 3.6% increase. The month-to-month gain was 0.8%, against the expected 0.2%.
Excluding volatile food and energy prices, the core CPI increased 3% from the same period in 2020 and 0.9% on a monthly basis. The respective estimates were 2.3% and 0.3%.
The increase in the annual headline CPI rate was the fastest since September 2008, while the monthly gain in core inflation was the largest since 1981.
Energy prices overall jumped 25% from a year earlier, including a 49.6% increase for gasoline and 37.3% for fuel oil. That came even though most energy categories saw a decline in April.
Prices at the pump, which fell 1.4% in April, have resumed their climb in May, with the national average eclipsing $3 a gallon for the first time since November 2014, according to AAA. Further rises are likely from Friday’s cyberattack that shut down Colonial Pipeline’s main transmission line from Houston to New Jersey.
Used car and truck prices, which are seen as a key inflation indicator, surged 21%, including a 10% increase in April alone. Shelter, another key CPI component, was up 2.1% year over year and 0.4% for the month."
Source Article was written by
Jeff Cox
Finance EditorJeff Cox is the finance editor for CNBC.com where he manages coverage of the financial markets and Wall Street. His stories are routinely among the most-read items on the site each day as he interviews some of the smartest and most well-respected analysts and advisors in the financial world. He also is a frequent guest on CNBC.
I have offered the facts that are relevant as of today.
I have not added options, just known facts.
https://www.cnbc.com/2021/05/12/consume … -2021.html
And yes the economy may in the near further show better job growth due to people getting vaccinated and back to work. However, these are people that are returning to pre-Biden jobs. Biden has killed jobs, not created jobs.
Biden's economy is faltering, and his policies will surely put the country into a depression if Congress can shove them into law. This administration is shockingly dangerous, and it would very much seem many American's are in a media-induced stupor."Biden has killed jobs," - proof for this obviously false statement would be nice since facts state the opposite.
"Biden's economy is faltering, " - proof for this obviously false statement would be nice since facts state the opposite.
"This administration is shockingly dangerous," - proof for this obviously false statement would be nice since facts state the opposite.
And what is the point of your article other than to state the obvious, that after prices have been artificially held down for all of these years, inflation is bound to happen. No one should be surprised by this at all."Biden has killed jobs," - proof for this obviously false statement would be nice since facts state the opposite."
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"Biden's economy is faltering, " - proof for this obviously false statement would be nice since facts state the opposite.
Maybe you could take that up with the stats Jeff Cox
Finance EditorJeff Cox is the finance editor for CNBC.offered...
"This administration is shockingly dangerous," - proof for this obviously false statement would be nice since facts state the opposite.
Again Jeff Cox
Finance EditorJeff Cox is the finance editor for CNBC says differently...
"And what is the point of your article other than to state the obvious, that after prices have been artificially held down for all of these years, inflation is bound to happen. No one should be surprised by this at all."
Nothing was artificial about the Trump economy, all stats in regards to GPD, job growth, lowest unemployment, and to top it off a wonder strong stock market with great consumer confidence. If not for a worldwide pandemic we would have continued to enjoy a prosperous country.
Now, we are tanking on all counts the Biden administration stands for nothing more than free free free which shows nothing but fiscal irresponsibility. Yet he and his cronies are aware none of his policies will or were expected to come to fruition. All cheap politicking promises.
I think you would be better off sticking with insulting Trump than trying to bolster or support a man like Biden. Just saying
I see you skipped over my comment where I laid out Joe's blunders with the three pipelines. These were all doozies. I mean really huge mistakes. Poor judgments and one can see Biden is not presidential material. He is drowning in the problems he created.Oh, Keystone Pipeline, the environmental disaster waiting to happen? Actually, it is already happening on the leg that already got completed by going around America's EPA laws which is leaking three times as much as pipes carrying normal crude. There have already been a dozen spills from this pipeline - and now you want more.
Of course you force me to repeat the truth.
GDP - Trump and Obama were the same in the end.
Job Growth - Obama did a much better job than Trump
Unemployment - Trump did nothing to make it better, name me one policy HE created that impacted unemployment. What you can say about Trump is he didn't screw up what Obama started.
Stock Market Growth - In terms of percentage growth, Obama did better, in fact most previous presidents did better than Trump. Biden is putting all of them to shame.Keystone Pipeline --- Slow down we were discussing your comment in regard to COVID death tole under Trump vs Biden. I see you're in a tizzy and trying to put space between our conversation.
When Biden took office there had been 400,000 deaths in 11.5 months.
At this point, Biden has been in office for 4.5 months the number added to the count is 212,219. Today's number showing 612,219 deaths. As you can see the percentage of deaths is higher for Biden --- Just a fact
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/
Trump's policies stop China travel, provide the task force and you God Fauci. He also provides us four vaccines by putting up cash for 5 companies to do research and development. All but Pfizer took cash. for research and development. Pfizer signed a huge contract to provide our vaccine before any other country, and the option to order millions of more doses as needed. Facts are facts. You can keep denying them, but they don't go away. https://www.scientificamerican.com/arti … roundwork/
Without Trump's policies, Biden would be drowning in a disaster.There you go again misrepresenting the facts again. You need to get your timelines straight.
When Biden took office there were 459,000 deaths and active cases were just peaking. In the next two weeks, another 50,000 died from those Trump era cases (which spiked like that because Trump FAILED in getting his base to take Covid seriously, hell, he not only failed, he actively made it worse).
It took Biden about 4 - 6 weeks to 1) develop a production and distribution plan [b]from scratch because Trump failed to make one[/b and then implement it. So any deaths in that time frame are also on Trump. That would be at least another 40,000. So Biden's starting number can't be any less than 549,000. So that at a minimum, 90% of the covid deaths resulted from Trump's ineptitude.
As I said before, good for Trump for authorizing Warp Speed which produced two vaccines in record time.
Bad for Trump for:
- Having no plan to distribute them
- Lying to America about how deadly virus was
- Encouraging Americans not to wear masks
- Encouraging Americans not to social distance
- Not reigning in RINO governors who played fast and loose with their citizens lives
- Not letting the paper tiger so-called Task Force do its job
- Not ... and the list is very long so I'll stop here.
Trump had virtually no policies and what ones he did have left America in a total mess which Biden now has to clean up.There you go again just not offering any form of Source I was off by three
https://www.pbs.org/newshour/show/news- … hes-403000
Worldometer should verify the rest of the correct stats.
OWS had a completes plan as well as contracts for any and all distribution outlets in each state.
Biden had nothing to do with any of the OWS plans they were made months before he took office. I have offered link after link to prove this. You ignore facts and seem to just be fixated on all Trump. Over it... Believe whatever you please. Not really constructive to have any form of conversation with one that denies facts.
I suggest you have a look at this link, and make yourself aware of just how well OWS was organized many months before the vaccine was available.
https://www.defense.gov/Explore/Spotlig … arp-Speed/
https://media.defense.gov/2020/Sep/16/2 … RAPHIC.PDF
https://www.hhs.gov/sites/default/files … accine.pdf
Biden had nothing to do with any of the plans Zero... The same team Trump hired is still in place today."OWS had a completes plan as well as contracts for any and all distribution outlets in each state." - Let me restate my criticism. Trump had no FEDERAL plan to produce and distribute the vaccine, Trump left it to the states and washed his hands of it. That was what Biden brought to the table. He quickly created a coordinated and comprehensive federal plan to mass produce and distribute the vaccines, something Trump was incapable of.
"Biden had nothing to do with any of the OWS plans they were made months before he took office. " - True - but they were incomplete, not comprehensive, and not at all coordinated. It took Biden to do the job correctly.
Trump had 'promises' from the two vaccine manufactures for 200 million doses, about 500 million short to cover the US population. He had a promise of another 100 million of J&J which wasn't approved for use yet - still not enough.
Biden had to implement the Defense Production Act to finally ramp up enough production to cover all Americans - why didn't Trump already have that set up? Trump left it to the states to vaccinate their people. It took Biden to greatly expand the ability to expand vaccination enough to get where we are today.Trump had 'promises' from the two vaccine manufactures for 200 million doses, about 500 million short to cover the US population. He had a promise of another 100 million of J&J which wasn't approved for use yet - still not enough.
READ THE pharmaceutical CONTRACTS I have offered each one time and time again. They all clearly state the amounts of vaccines we contracted to purchase.
Trump Trump Trump... Hate the man whatever... I respect what he pulled off with a very serious crisis. I don't care what he may have said, I like what's did. Plus, if you can remember in the very beginning I said Trump's worst mistake was letting Fauci head up the task force... He gave him poor advice and flip-flopped constantly. We needed a virologist, not an immunologist.
Believe whatever you please. I have offered you a source, and I can do no more. I think Trump did a great job. and I am over going back and forth with you on the subject. I notice you don't comment on any of my threads, curious?"READ THE pharmaceutical CONTRACTS " - I did, where do you think I got the numbers from.
"Trump Trump Trump... Hate the man whatever." - Would you make the same implication about Hitler, Stalin, Un, Xi, the Iranian leader whoever that is, Hussain, and the list goes on of leaders who represent a Clear and Present Danger and existential threat to their respective societies?
You do know that Fauci is the primary gov't official responsible for the quick development of the vaccines, don't you. https://www.politico.com/news/2020/12/1 … uci-448513
I know you think Trump did a fabulous job, which is a shame, but, fortunately, most people know better."t was co-developed by the infectious disease institute and by Moderna, the biotechnology company based in Cambridge, Massachusetts. The Food and Drug Administration issued an emergency use authorization for the Moderna vaccine late last week and distribution of the first doses began on Monday.
Azar said in remarks before he received his shot that "this vaccine is more or less just like any other vaccine we receive" and that they still have to continue wearing masks and practicing social distancing.
"I made it a personal priority to ensure that we were not cutting any corners in this development process, that the standards and data being used were fully transparent and that the final decisions made on these vaccines, were made by the same career FDA scientists who would make the decisions on any other vaccine," Azar said."
Fauci had nothing to do with the development of the vaccine. That would be Azar... Health and Human Services Secretary Alex Azar was responsible for all decisions in regard to working with Moderna.
Fauci is not a research scientist... He has a desk job, a director at Health and Human Services. A pencil pusher. Trump's first big mistake was listing to Fauci. He had nothing to do with the development of the Moderns vaccine. He has no expertise in developing any vaccine whatsoever."Fauci is not a research scientist.." - LOLOLOL.
"Dr. Fauci was appointed Director of NIAID in 1984. He oversees an extensive research portfolio of basic and applied research to prevent, diagnose, and treat established infectious diseases such as HIV/AIDS, respiratory infections, diarrheal diseases, tuberculosis and malaria as well as emerging diseases such as Ebola and Zika. NIAID also supports research on transplantation and immune-related illnesses, including autoimmune disorders, asthma and allergies. " "Dr. Fauci also is the longtime chief of the Laboratory of Immunoregulation. He has made many contributions to basic and clinical research on the pathogenesis and treatment of immune-mediated and infectious diseases. "
God, why do you keep believing all of that right-wing fake news crap???
Yes, he had a lot to do with the development of the Moderna vaccine as well as the basic research that went into both Moderna's and Pfizer's products.
"But long before COVID-19 was on the radar, the groundwork for messenger RNA was laid in large part by two different streams of research, one at the NIH Fauci and the other at the University of Pennsylvania — and because scientists had learned a bit about other coronaviruses from prior SARS and MERS outbreaks."
https://apnews.com/article/years-resear … 7687ae6269
https://www.niaid.nih.gov/about/director
"Azar said in remarks before he received his shot that "this vaccine is more or less just like any other vaccine we receive" "- REALLY? this vaccine was a revolutionary breath through years in the making Remember Azar was a pill pushing Pharma rep. Also remember Trump and gang (including Azar) said Covid was just like any other flu.Keyword OVERSEEs... Fauci has never worked in the field of research and development... EVER
NIAID Under Faici also supports research in the Wuhan lab and claimed he trusted what he was told in regard to a grant he provided the Wuhan lab. Thanks, Fauci. He seems to been sinking in quicksand at this point.
"Yes, he had a lot to do with the development of the Moderna vaccine as well as the basic research that went into both Moderna's and Pfizer's products." ---
He has been at the NIH since 1984. And in his bio, he has listed no accolades in regards to research science. Not sure why you think he help developed any vaccines let alone the COVID vaccines. I have research Fauci and came across nothing that would indicate he is a Virologist or ever worked on research or the development of any form of the vaccine.
Fauci's Bio... He is an Md and the Director of the NIH. Note that the Source NIH offers a very complete bio on Fauci. I trust it to be factual
https://www.niaid.nih.gov/about/director.
https://www.niaid.nih.gov/director/awards
I don't want to pile on this man. I imagine he did his best with a crisis that was like no other America has faced in many long years. I do wish Trump would have not listened to him in the first months of the virus and got a few really expert virologists. normally. I wish the new administration would have a virologist speak to the American people, and help them realize if we don't all get vaccinated the virus will continue to mutate, and affect us for many years. Time to tell the people what a virus normally does if not dealt with. It keeps looking for a new form to infect a host. COVID has had several serious mutations, we will soon be facing the fact the vaccine will not work due to the strain has mutated into a strain the vaccine won't recognize. People screamed about following the science --- they never truly gave information on the science of a virus. I hold the task force responsible for the lack of information, and at this point, I hold the Biden administration responsible for not being blunt with Americans on where we could be headed if we don't get as many as possible vaccinated. Biden is not addressing the new strains, which are very serious. The UK has a new strain that was reported in the last couple of days that is very serious.
https://news.yahoo.com/fauci-warns-of-c … 11374.html
We have some real problems at this point and Biden is just ignoring them.
I have nothing more to say in regards to the Trump economy or will I travel back to what his name economy.
I from this point on am unwilling to feed into your obsession with Trump. We have a new administration, I am very much interested in keeping tabs on the now, and the future.
It is very clear you just can't digest facts even though I always take time to make every effort to provide facts. Not sure it healthy to ruminate on the past.
"Biden has killed jobs, not created jobs." - I will grant you that most new hires are into jobs lost during the pandemic, that only makes sense given we are still in a recession - but the fact is, he has added more than 2,000,000 jobs.
Now, please tell what jobs has his policies killed? What industries has his policies shut down or put into decline that didn't need to be like the Keystone Pipeline?
And so what if inflation is above average right now? It is just making up for being artificially low (mainly through Fed policy) for so long and then for the last year because of the pandemic.
Now, if it doesn't head back down over the next six months, then you will have something to complain about, but not now.As far as Ima concerned-- to make this short.
Biden killed Keystone due to it being a Trump accomplishment. He could careless about the 11.000 jobs or the collateral damage... He is a tool
He kissed Putin's ass by lifting the heavy sanctions that were placed on Russia by Congress. He's a tool
Anyone in their right mind can see the hypocrisy in this ridiculous vendetta just maybe kidding themself.
And if you feel you know more about inflation and predicting the economy than economists. Oh well
The future under Biden remains to be seen. However, what I have seen is non-sensical, and in some cases could be very detrimental to the
Country.
But, have faith, it already appears many are having great
buyer's remorse."Biden killed Keystone due to it being a Trump accomplishment. " - Trump approved Keystone after Obama stopped it to reverse anything Obama did. It was an environmentally disastrous decision which Biden FIXED.
"He kissed Putin's ass by lifting the heavy sanctions that were placed on Russia by Congress." - Which sanctions on Russia did Biden lift? I think you are passing on right-wing fake news (unless, of course, you are talking about Nord Stream which was done for national security reasons)
Yes, I do know a lot about inflation because I was an economic analyst for the Air Force. I took many courses in economics, I have listened to many lectures on various aspects of economics, I have written about economics, and I read the analysis and opinions of other economists. What is your background?
What constitutes "buyers remorse"? Is it the trouncing Trump is taking in job approval polls from Biden? What is Biden's range? 53 to 55%? What was Trump's range? 38 to 45%. Do you mean that buyers remorse?Guess ya just won't read the list I provided you with two long pages of sanctions trump slapped Russia with... I give up.
Biden under fire from Congress for waiving sanctions on Russian gas pipeline company
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/nation … s-n1267975
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-57180674
https://www.politico.com/news/2021/05/1 … ine-489437
It would seem you don't believe facts when provided or respond with any form of acknowledgment of the sources.
Lots of articles in regards to voter's buyer remorse...
Thought you might like to check out the polls today. The funny thing Trump and Biden have the same poll approval stats today on the chart. Biden is headed in the wrong direction.
The Rasmussen Reports daily Presidential Tracking Poll, for Wednesday shows that 49% of Likely U.S. Voters approve of President Biden’s job performance. Fifty percent (50%) disapprove.
The latest figures include 29% who Strongly Approve of the job Biden is doing and 40% who Strongly Disapprove. This gives him a Presidential Approval Index rating of -11. (see trends) https://www.rasmussenreports.com/public … ack_july07538 likes their methodology so I do watch Rasmussen's polling. I do, however, keep it firmly in mind they are historically biased to the Right, so having lower numbers for Biden (and higher numbers for Trump) is no surprise.
I looked at their chart and I don't see where Biden and Trump have the same approval numbers. It looks like Trump is 10 points lower.
I also look at the RealClearPolitics trend. It shows that Bidens nutmbers have been pretty steady since February. His high was 55.8, shorly after he took office and would be expect to be his high point. His low was 51.4, a few days ago. It is currently 52.5.
Now that is only a 4.4 point spread over the last four months, which is pretty stable as polling goes. I would expect it to drop from his high because progressives are pissed off that he has taken a more pragmatic approach to governing and is trying (as much as the RINOs will let him) do things in a bipartisan manner.
https://www.realclearpolitics.com/epoll … -7320.html
On the other hand, Trump's job approval rating started out at 45.3 shortly after taking office and he hit a low of 37.1 in Dec 2017. That is an 8.2 point swing. After that he tracked between 43 and 45 for most of his term; significantly worse than Biden's current numbers. Only once, on March 28, 2020, did Trump approach Biden's level when he averaged 47.1 before plunging back down to 41.6.
As I said before, I expect Biden to track between 50 and 60%, depending on how mad the progressives are at him.
What was Trump's average presidential approval rating? Glancing through the history of Trump's Rasmussen numbers, I see many -11 numbers as well.
I saw that YouGov, which tilts Blue about half as much as Rasmussen tilts right only has a -5 point differential of the same time period.What is the Trumpers' explanation for the difference in the approval numbers between Trump and Biden?
You also have this. Today, Trump sued those who kicked him off of their platforms because of his dangerous lies. This might be the reason why - "In May, an analysis by NewsWhip, a social media tracking firm, found that interactions about him on social media have fallen 91% since January . ", lol
Oh my gosh, you know or should have caught that I was pulling your chain. I have expressed my view of polls to you on many occasions. I don't in any respect find them relative or to be honest, I just don't trust them.
Of course you don't, they don't give you the answers you need.
Cmon Sharlee, you only distrust those polls that deliver information contrary to what you want to hear or believe.
I have reconsidered my view -- Maybe the polls are showing a true picture of what American's are feeling about Biden. The daily polls do appear to indicate the countries view of Biden's poor job abilities, and lack of leadership.
Even Democrats are very disappointed with Joe... And it is showing in the polls. "Biden’s Approval Takes a Hit, Driven by Sagging Hopes Among Democrats"
"President Biden’s approval rating has taken a dip in recent weeks — but it’s not even close to the drop in support for Congress’s performance, as negotiations over legislation in Washington have ground to a virtual standstill.
That’s the top-line takeaway from a national poll released on Wednesday by Monmouth University. But here’s the secondary message: Democrats are the ones growing most disillusioned, and fast.
Back in April, when Mr. Biden was making big legislative strides, 83 percent of Democrats said they thought the country was moving in the right direction, according to a Monmouth survey at the time. But in Wednesday’s poll, just 59 percent of Democrats said that.
The share of Democrats saying the country was on the wrong track rose by 20 percentage points, to 32 percent." https://www.nytimes.com/2021/06/16/us/p … ating.html
https://www.monmouth.edu/polling-instit … 61621.pdf/I understand, but Biden would do a whole lot better when he realizes the mistake of trying to negotiate with Republican on this bipartisan stick is as futile as asking a grizzly to use the toilet.
The momentum for Biden has stopped because of Republicans and their deliberate obstruction. That needs to be eliminated thru the use of any and all tools within the Democrats' political tool boxesWell, they certainly have a toolbox, but it might be time for them to understand their tools have become old, and inefficient. Biden knows Congress and he knew that he would be stymied by the rightwing of Congress. He perhaps should have kept his campaign promises to a minimum, and more realistic. It would also help if he stepped up and addressed current problems like the border. He ignores it as if there is not a problem as he does with a crime. These problems will plague him and keep his jib approval low. Plus, the chatter on the street is all about Biden's lack of leadership in solving problems or at best recognizing problems as such. The old political shell game --- look here not there, does not work any longer. Hey, just my opinion, I see him going down fast. Maybe the polls are accurate after all.
Yes, Biden was aware of the difficulty of dealing with the Republicans. I just hoped that he would be willing to remove the kid gloves and give the GOP the bash in the chops necessary to move the agenda forward.
Say what you will, but compared to Trump, Biden is an angel.
I guess I am more of a pragmatist and believe that IF Biden can achieve a bipartisan deal on the infrastructure-lite bill, it would be worth the effort for America. At the moment, it does look like he has the votes - if the Progressives don't sink it wanting the perfect over the doable.
He will get an infrastructure bill, a light one... This bill is one that both sides dam well know will come to fruition. A win-win bill. The Dems get an infrastructure bill they can brag on, and the Rep get a bill they can brag on, due to cutting the amount of cash Joe wanted in half.
We need an infrastructure package that is minus pork, and I think we will get one. This will be a win-win bill.I can agree with you on this one - but it is still very shaky. McConnell has promised to oppose anything Biden does and Progressives want all or none. Either one can tank the bill.
I believe that we're are beyond pragmatism when dealing with today's Republican Party. Biden can't work with Republicans, they have already programmed him to fail by watering down his brisk elixir into warm Pi$$.
We have midterms in 2022, and if we haven't shown anything beyond gridlock, we can expect more GOP crap legislators in congress and then it will truly become "Democracy dies in the Darkness". It is DEFCON 1 time and the Dems need to move as if their lives depended upon it. You have seen these Republicans in action, Esoteric, and we both know that they are no damned good.
You are a lot more optimistic about the bipartisan stuff than I am.Yes, I am optimistic so long as there are some Republicans willing to flip RINO leadership the bird when it comes to putting country and democracy over self-interest, party, and Trump. I am talking about Cheney, Kenzinger, Cassidy, Romney, Murkowski, Collins (on occasion), and the like. They will be there when the RINO party aka Trump party implodes to pick up the pieces.
Right now there are 11 Republicans who signed on to the bipartisan infrastructure bill: Murkowski, Romney, Burr, Collins, Portman (means lots of money for Ohio), Rounds (I am surprised), Tillis (lots of money for NC as well), Young, Moran, and Graham (who I suspect will flip-flop as he always does).
If the extremists on the Left can accept the win, and that is a big IF given how self-destructive extremists are, then people know that it can be done, even in this environment where anti-democratic forces control the RINO party.
Jamie Harrison (to whom I donated a lot of money) needs to pick up a copy of Howard Dean's 50-State Strategy, dust it off, read it, and then implement it. They also need to develop a message that is laser focused on Hispanics (talk about a voting against their interests) in this country. Biden lost a lot of ground with them because the various Democratic leadership organizations forgot about them. That is one reason why the Ds lost so many seats in Florida.
The Democratic leadership also needs to pick up Stacy Abrams Fair Fight initiative (I donate to them as well) and spread it to the rest of the states where RINOs are suppressing the vote. I keep looking for signs of it here in Florida and don't see a thing. Sad.
I often will look at individual polls to see what the details say (I never pay attention to the headlines that go with them since they are mostly attention grabbing hyperbole). But to see a much truer picture of the trend and deviations, I look at averages of polls, such as those published by RealClearPolitics.
In the case of Biden Job Approval (and I have already pointed this out) the averages show no particular trend other than what one would normally expect from early in a term to a little bit down the road. As you can see in the link below, Biden's Approval numbers have remained fairly constant with a small range between the high (55.7) and low averages (51.4). Average those two numbers and you get 55.3, which is just a little bit above 52.5 it is currently at. These numbers put a lie to the headlines you quote.
I also need to remind you again, since you refuse to recognize it, that one of the things putting downward pressure on Biden's numbers is the pragmatic way he is trying to do his job working with Republicans where he can. The Progressives don't like that. They, like the RINOs, don't want real legislation, they just want headlines.
https://www.realclearpolitics.com/epoll … -7320.html
As to Right Direction, your baseline is what it was during the Trump administration - which was a dismal 35% until it tanked with the pandemic. On the other hand, under Biden, it is much better, averaging around 42%, the highest since 2009 when people were seeing evidence Obama's stimulus was pulling America out of a near Depression. Given that, I suggest that your assessment of how terrible things are is way off base.
People are feeling pretty good today compared the Trump (or even Obama) administration.
https://www.realclearpolitics.com/epoll … y-902.html
I couldn't find any other polls to back up or disprove your claim about the Monmouth poll.
A recent study of what happened during the 2020 election, compared to the 2016 election, came up with these results:
- Biden gained more ground with voters in all age groups except between 30 - 44 than Trump did. While both improved in the 30 - 44, Trump improved more.
- Trump actually improved his results slightly in Urban areas.
- But, he gave up a lot ground in both Suburban and Rural areas
- Trump improved with those that had a high school diploma or less
- Trump did worse with those that had some college
- Both improved slightly with those who had college degrees
- Biden did better with those who had post-graduate degrees.
- Biden did relatively better than Trump with both men and women than Clinton did
- Biden improved with White Men while Trump declined
- Trump did relatively better with White Women than Biden, although both improved
- Biden lost voters with Black and Latino Men and Women while Trump improved quite a bit. It was more pronounced with the Latino Men.
- Over all, Biden did better than Clinton with people making less than $100,000 than Trump did between the two elections
- Trump's biggest gain was with people who earned between $100K and $200K
- This is what killed Trump, he did a lot poorer with Moderate voters in 2020 than he did in 2016 while Biden did a lot better than Clinton.
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Biden is an ABYSMAL FAILURE as president, even a smart 10 year old is COGNIZANT of this.
When I walk around a see so many "help wanted" signs, I think that we are on the way back. More jobs than there are people to fill them, I haven't seen that for a while. So, we have an employees market, and wages and working conditions in certain industries will have to improve or people will avoid these jobs and stay home with papa, even if all the unemployment benefits are cut.
There are plenty of people to fill those jobs.
The jobs are not offering enough money, so no one is willing to fill them.
I see this adjustment in realities today, where in order to get someone to do a job that paid $11.00 three years ago, you now have to pay $15.00.
If wages don't adjust, the people won't do those jobs... or you get what you pay for, terrible employees."The jobs are not offering enough money, so no one is willing to fill them."
Or at least they aren't offering as much as Uncle Sam is offering to stay at home.
I would observe that if wages have risen 36%, from $11 to $15, in just 3 years we have a really major problem on our hands in the form of runaway inflation. Businesses can't afford that kind of increase without increasing prices, and higher paid employees are going to demand the same thing as prices rise and they watch unskilled labor being paid what the same thing they are.
But I'm not seeing that in my area. Starting wage is nearly the same as it was - around $10 - and hasn't changed much. Take away what Uncle Sam is giving them as "unemployment" because of the pandemic (that no longer exists, from a job perspective, in my area), and those jobs will be filled pronto.With grand inflation and wages growth of 36%.
Bring back the Latino labour and Chinese goods to help balance. Civil wars and shut down of free markets won't help.Neither will removing American workers from earning a wage. It might, short term, result in lower prices, but that will catch up after those without jobs demand that others support them, whereupon those with jobs demand more money because they now have to support multiple families.
I have no idea what you are talking about Castle.
Canada with its diverse cultures and international trade is our strength that US once had and now loosing. Until US starting too much divided labels, cancel cultures and trade. Cheaper labour and Chinese products make a better balance here in Canada.
Think I have run out of ideas upon deaf ears for any solutions for the US.
There are three possible things economists think are leading to the inability to staff low wage jobs: 1) the problems associated with not all schools being open, 2) fear of catching Covid, and 3) the unemployment bonus. Only time will tell which one(s) had the most impact.
In Florida, the bonus goes away in mid-June. Come July, we will find out if the unemployment bonus was a factor.
" pandemic (that no longer exists" - you do live in a fantasy world don't you? Why don't you ask the families of the 550 people (mostly Trump supporters) who still die a day if the pandemic is over. Or ask the 20,000 a day still catching Covid. I bet they will all laugh in your face.
My surmise is that many people don't need money at the present time. Maybe they have discovered they don't need so much, they have enough to live on and / or, that free-time is very enjoyable. When they need money, they'll go back to work.
Then there are these other reasons such as:
1. Until recently, fear of catching Covid by being forced back to work from the cut-off of unemployment in there state. I recently posted the story of one such woman. Of coarse, this reason now really only applies to those that have valid reasons for not getting vaccinated, which she apparently did.
2. Child care is still unaffordable in many places.
3. Some people need time to find the right job and may need to relocate
4. Available jobs do not offer women with children flexible options who can't afford child care.
https://www.cnbc.com/2021/07/08/nobel-w … work-.htmlMore guesses:
Women are going back to work sooner than young men who are at home on their games, (being catered to by overly indulgent parents.)
More men are home taking care of children.
Older workers are not going back to work because they decided to retire.
Those who are working know there's a chance of dying from Covid but they also know that if they don't work, they and their loved ones will die.
The youth who could be working at entry level jobs would rather not work next to low-pay undocumented workers.
The youth are not trained for higher level jobs as they cannot compute, write or deal with other humans effectively.
.And there are these reasons as well
"They're in this situation because during the pandemic, many workers were laid off, as safety measures required some restaurants to close dining entirely. Eventually, when restaurants started re-hiring, they found a smaller pool of potential employees. Some moved away, others found new jobs in other industries. Some are still staying home to care for children or other dependents. Some, fed up with what are often low wages for the arduous work, vowed never to return."I think that it is great that now it is "labor" rather than capital that have the upper hand in today's job market.
It is like the President said, things are going to get rough for employers unless they pay more and offer better benefits to potential employees.... whoever n e e d s work, (to earn money,) will take whatever work they can get. Employers can only do what they can do.
For my own business, moving to $15/hr right now minimum would mean shutting down (and firing 50 people) or laying off a lot of workers to cut costs, while putting even more work on those remaining. Our payroll is around a million dollars a year.
We do not have the luxury of raising our prices to accommodate as our clients will simply move from a company that provides a lot of service and flexibility to the industry giants that don't.
There are a LOT of small businesses in the same boat as I am. What I suspect will happen, so long as we keep Democrats in office, is the gov't will now have to start subsidizing those who can't afford $15/hr.
We have managed to raise starting pay from $10 to $12/hr and our pay ranges from $12 to $25/hr. As conditions allow, we keep pushing that up.
This is why I oppose any minimum wage at all and support transfering that function to an expanded Earned Income Tax Credit.I can't claim to be in your place nor understand your situation. It seems to me that the very concept of small business is being "Amazoned" and "Walmarted" out of existence. What chance do you really have?
It is becoming more difficult to live on the wages provided on the bottom rungs of the economic ladder. The part of central Florida I live in is seeing a stark increase in real estate costs, when it was recently a sleepy backwater. Urban areas and entire states are forced to disregard the $7.25 and hour minimum. Regardless of what conservatives may say, the minimum wage has lost a great deal of buying power over the last 50 years. If people can't afford to live on what their being paid, you are suggesting the that tax payer subsidizes the difference between what is a reasonable cost to live and what employers are willing to pay? Conservatives would much rather create Dickensian society of beggars that include women and children, then pressure the capitalist class to move away from a piecework, sweatshop mentality.
I can't imagine a society without a minimum wage as I noted that virtually every country in the world has one, and there has to be a reason for that.
I paid 15 cents for a MCD cheese burger in 1965, now I pay $2.50 for the same sandwich. I cannot think of ever really evading the reality of inflation, just its extent.
You and I know that the Rightwingers would virtually have a cow regarding encroaching socialism that would be involved in basically having the government subsidize a guaranteed wage for everyone. Is that not part of what the Earned Income Tax Credit would involve?I understand all that you say and agree with a lot of it. I live a couple of hours North of you and see the same thing in housing prices. But just like the 2006 -2007 bubble, I truly think those prices will collapse once the foreclosure moratoriums lapse and thousands of houses are put on the market.
The thing about EITC is that if it were fully implemented, it would eliminate the need for other gov't support because EITC doesn't drive inflation like the minimum wage ultimately does. With the minimum wage, which is inflationary by nature, prices will adjust upward to accommodate it and the poverty line will then increase as well.
That increase will then drive a call for further increases in minimum wage. And we will be in the same position as we are now a decade from now, just earning and paying more. The EITC can avoid that destructive cycle.
As to "socialism". Conservatives are too dumb to know that "social welfare" and "socialism" are two entirely different things. IMO, social welfare helps move a nation forward faster than it otherwise would (as well as being humane, another word not in the conservatives lexicon) and "socialism" will lose out to regulated capitalism every time.Families are to help their loved ones. Not the government.
And what happens if the families can't? Let their loved ones suffer? Whether you like it or not, the Constitution tells us that one of the purposes of government is to help the people who form it.
It helps the people by:
- Establishing Justice (for all of the people)
- Ensures domestic Tranquility (for all of the people)
- Provides for the common defense (for all of the people)
- Promote the general Welfare (for all of the people)
- Secure the Blessings of Liberty (for all of the people and their children)
If some of the people are being denied any of those through no fault of their own, the Constitution demands that the gov't does something about it.
It is clear that Liberals wrote the Constitution because liberals care about strangers. It is the conservatives who push social Darwinism such as what your comment implies.
Cred, people are at the bottom because of inane life choices. America is the land of opportunity. For example, my maternal extended family from Wellford, SC. They have the give me, victim mentality. They have been supported by other relatives for three generations-a great aunt, my mother, & now me(not so much). I told them that they were poor because of the stupid choices they made. I don't feel sorry for them in the least. The youngest generation of the parasitic family is just as poor as the first generation. They have average IQs of 160 yet they refuse to better themselves. They would rather live of others.
By contrast, my paternal family who was poorer than my maternal family. Yet all become middle class & upper middle class within a generation. The succedent generation are upper middle class & wealthy. They are professionals & entrepreneurs. They don't have the whiny, victim mentality like my maternal family has. Yes, my paternal family come from the Caribbean. Black Caribbeans have a work ethic while Black Americans unfortunately don't have. My maternal family of Wellford, SC are leeches who believe in LIVING OFF others while my paternal family work for what they want & didn't believe in hand outs. If one wants success, h/she has to work & sacrifice for it. Stop whining Cred. This is the reason why I am turning Republican. Republicans don't whine. I hate people who want to be victims. Be a victim on your own time. Yes, there is inflation, if one wants more money, there are MYRIAD opportunities to earn such. Don't be a victim, man."Cred, people are at the bottom because of inane life choices." - And what makes you think that most people at the bottom of the rung are their by choice?
Are you painting the whole of poor America with what you see with your maternal family?
The truth is "America is the land of opportunity." only for the select few who are either supermen or superwomen or somebody helped break down the barriers this society purposefully puts in their way. And I am not just talking about minorities. In terms of numbers, most poor, white, conservatives probably qualify for your disapproval.
" Republicans don't whine." - Give me a break. Right now they are whining loudly because Trump lost - and they are hurting many others in trying not let that happen again.
"there are MYRIAD opportunities to earn such. " - is a very Pollyanna view.My Esoteric pretty much expresses my view, I can't embellish upon it a great deal.
You most probably have always been a Republican in every aspect that is important, all one has to do is review the preponderance of your posts.
I have no use for Republicans at this time and place. My automatic vote against them and their supporters has become a reflex action.
I have no sympathy for lazy people, but most of us know that this issue is more complex than that.
Where are the young men?
- overseas in the military? working for Amazon? at university? at home?Anywhere except at the piecework factories they are being invited to return to...
In the 70's I worked at Hood River pear/apple Cannery. I had to stand in one place sorting pears on a conveyor belt. My friend had it much better. He got to sit with the ladies and peel. I would see him from my lofty location chatting merrily with the ladies. I consciously hallucinated to endure the boredom of sorting large, medium and small sized pears. It took me three months of this type of work to determine to get my degree and teaching credentials, no matter what it took. So, here I agree with you!
Nevertheless, the money I made helped me continue my travels and get back home to enroll in college.
Money is money.
The sad fact is that labor group was forced out of the market. When I was young, a long, long time ago, I started out working at McDonalds and Taco Bell. Everybody else there, save the manager, were in my age group. That is where the young first started getting their job experience.
Flash forward to 2013 during the recovery from the Great 2008 Conservative Recession. Younger workers were being replaced by older workers trying to earn a long-term, normal living on $7.25/hr. Until the pandemic, that dynamic only got worse.
Why would these businesses hire the older worker instead of the young men? Older workers are more reliable with less costly turnover.
As far as I know, RINO is an acronym for "republican in name only" and that would make them for your side, no? Everything else is a big "yikes" from me.
That is exactly what RINO stands for and as I point out in another forum I created on the subject, today's so-called Republican Party bears no resemblance to the Republican Party Abraham Lincoln started. For the most part, Lincoln's party holds principles that are diametrically opposed to today's Republican Party which is why a much more correct label is RINO.
Who is today's RINO party more in line with philosophically? The conservative southern Democrats of Andrew Jackson's era.Is that an insinuation that the Democrat party, with it's massive give-away programs, total fiscal irresponsibility and ever growing demands for more government control over people's lives is the same as what it began as?
Or have both changed beyond recognition from what they were? Are Democrats DINO's - Democrats in Name Only as a result? (Note that the name DINO is singularly appropriate as a Dinosaur - the biggest land animals to ever walk the earth - and DINO's want the biggest government possible.)Nope, you are entirely correct - DINO is appropriate when comparing today's Democrats to yesterdays Democrats. Fortunately, the Democrats dropped their pro-slavery, anti-civil rights, conservative past and took on the mantle (mostly) of Lincoln's liberal Republican Party (which also was the party of a strong federal government)
"Or have both changed beyond recognition from what they were? " - Don't say that too loud because there are many so-called Republicans on these forums who will crucify you over that TRUTH. On the other hand, it is my opinion, because I don't have any observations to back this up, that most forum participants on the Left would very much agree with you and are happy that Democrats moved on to a much better place and are now on the right side of history.
On the other hand, it is the RINOs who took their once great party over to the Dark Side."On the other hand, it is the RINOs who took their once great party over to the Dark Side."
Or has the new Republican party just morphed into the Kennedy era democrat? Don't ask what your country can do for you, but ask what you can do for your country"... The Dems of that era buffered their ideologies with common sense. As Republicans have always been known for. We have not gone to the Darkside, just tweaking our party to put America, and American's first, and then consider where we can make a true difference in other lands.
Another thought the DINO's became extinct, whereas RINO's have thrived...
It seems while many are being sidelined with the State Of The Union speech, critiquing how what, and who yelled what --- We have so many very important issues that are being sidelined by this BS.
Hopefully, some are tuning into the various GOP hearings this week. CSpan has clips of all... And I must say, it appears that many are being pulled away from some serious hearing with the dribble in regard to the SOU speech.
Hopefully, we all have not become willing to fall into "look over here, nothing to see over there"...
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Biden is around the same pace as Trumps covid deaths stats.
To compare Lincoln civil war American deaths to covid death on a per capita basis. Multiple civil war deaths by more than 100 times greater than covid. Wail half the US population were slaves.
Not the greatest examples.Your claim that "Biden is around the same pace as Trumps covid deaths stats." is demonstrably incorrect.
On the other hand, without doing the math, I would say your claim about relative deaths on a per capita basis is probably correct for the Civil War; maybe even WW II. That is the problem with using raw numbers over time, they lose context.
But in terms of visualizing the devastation caused by Covid and Trump's failed policies toward it, it is still a valid comparison.Trump was 375,000 covid death the end of 2020.
Death now 600,000 and part of 2020 Biden was elected. So its close to par and covid deaths with Trump. Plus at this time a year ago, covid deaths are higher.When Biden took office there had been 400,000 deaths in 11.5 months.
At this point, Biden has been in office for 4.5 months the number added to the count is 212,219. Today's number showing 612,219 deaths. As you can see the percentage of deaths is higher for Biden --- Just a fact
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/
Trump's policies stop China travel, provide the task force and you God Fauci. He also provides us four vaccines by putting up cash for 5 companies to do research and development. All but Pfizer took cash. for research and development. Pfizer signed a huge contract to provide our vaccine before any other country, and the option to order millions of more doses as needed. Facts are facts. You can keep denying them, but they don't go away. https://www.scientificamerican.com/arti … roundwork/
Without Trump's policies, Biden would be drowning in a disaster.CDC: Half of US adults are fully vaccinated against COVID-19The U.S. passed a major milestone Tuesday when it was reported by the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention that more than half of Americans over the age of 18 are now fully vaccinated.
You would think the death toll would better than last year.
In pharmaceutical we trust, has a scary thought after all the lab animals died from the tests.Are you saying it isn't? The average daily death toll per million in 2020 was roughly 6.5. Today it is about 1.6 (mostly RINO). Seems like quite a reduction to me.
I thought you may want to put this on the list to "Great Things Joe Biden Has Done While President"
Hey Joe what the hell did you do?
January 20, Biden’s very first day as president, he shut down the Keystone XL pipeline. He gave11,000 citizens that had high-paying jobs the boot, many unionized. While these unemployed American workers went on unemployment, Russian President Vladimir Putin most likely toasted Biden with a nice cold shot of Vodka.
Canadian oil now is trapped underground, Keystone’s cancellation curbed long-term supplies of crude oil. and quickly boosted global prices for Russia’s key export. Indeed, for this and other reasons, crude has crept from $53-per-barrel at Biden’s inauguration to over $66 — up 25%
Let's move on to the second feature in Joe's circus --- The Colonial Pipeline. Which was shut down on May 7 after a Russian ransomware attack. Carteresque gasoline lines soon stretched from Georgia to Washington, D.C. What did Ol' Joe do? He hides in the White House and is silent until May 10, when he offered up a tepid blurb that exonerated the Kremlin. where was Biden’s outrage? Where was Biden’s outrage? Why did he not publicly demands that Putin answer for this hack?
No, what he did was to then rewarded the Kremlin for its acquiescence in the Colonial caper by scrapping sanctions against the Nord Stream 2 natural gas pipeline between Russia and Germany. Biden was asked by the press why he decided to take such a step.
Boden --- "Because it’s almost completely finished, number one," he replied. Biden then continues on with these confusing words. "The idea that anything that — and it’s not like I can allow Germany to do something they’re not." This sentence makes no sense whatsoever... No really! (this man is senile.)
I must also point out Biden’s betrayal also fails on environmental grounds. Germany will not import American liquefied natural gas, as President Donald J. Trump pressed Chancellor Angela Merkel to do. Nor will Germany swap gas for wind farms, solar panels, or geothermal plants. Instead, Germany will burn Russian natural gas. While that fuel is one-third cleaner than oil and twice as clean as coal, Germany and some neighboring nations still will turn gas into energy and carbon dioxide. So Joe, what about your concern about the environment? Does this all seem half-ass backward?
Page 308 of Keystone’s environmental impact statement says that its oil would have generated up to 178 million metric tons of CO2 annually. What did Joe state? "Killing Keystone was a beautiful thing."
Nord Stream 2 would carry up to 55 billion cubic meters of natural gas from Ust-Luga, Russia to Greifswald, Germany. That gas, according to Gen Less’s online calculator, would generate 132 million metric tons of CO2. So, by speeding Nord Stream 2, Biden will have combusted 74 percent of the anti-global-warming "benefit" that he created by junking Keystone.
Environmentalists should be enraged.
"Gazprom’s Nord Stream 2 will add $3.3 billion to Russia’s annual GDP, Statista estimates. Though a tidy sum, the Kremlin’s jackpot is geopolitical.
"Nord Stream 2 would enable the Putin regime to further weaponize Russia’s energy resources to exert political pressure throughout Europe," four bipartisan U.S. House members warned Secretary of State Antony Blinken in a February 17 letter. " Oh Well... Plus, The majority of Europe also opposes the Kremlin-backed pipeline,
IMO Russia’s obvious intention has been to form an alliance with Germany and Austria (also with the Netherlands and Belgium) against Eastern and Northern Europe. NS2 is Russia’s most daring attempt to break up the EU. Oh well...
Finally -- Finally, Biden announced that he will meet on June 16, 2021with Putin in Geneva, following G-7 and NATO conclaves. So it is evident that Putin will pay not even pay a diplomatic price after citizens corked U.S. fuel supplies in exchange for a $4.4 million Bitcoin ransom. Oh Well...
This president Biden has clearly squandered Trump’s hard-won America's energy independence, added 11,000 American pipeline workers to America's unemployment lines, and screwed up Trump’s diplomacy, which had Germany now depending on Russia for natural gas. Now, Germany will become addicted — not to U.S. liquefied natural gas, but gas from the very adversary that NATO was designed to defeat. Oh well...
So sorry for so many words. However, Bidens' actions in regard to the two pipelines, have provided consequences that need to be considered."Canadian oil now is trapped underground, " - Canadian Tar Sand Oil is the worst kind of oil on the planet and is an environmental disaster. If they want to produce it, let them destroy the forests it is under, process it in Canada and then ship the much safer products to America or elsewhere. We don't want there gunk spoiling our land through frequent oil leaks that is already happening in pipes they snuck through the system.
It should be "Nixonesque" not "Carteresque". In case you forgot, Nixon was president during the long gas lines. It did happen again, during Carter, after Iran jacked up prices, but it was nothing compared to Nixon.
"This president Biden has clearly squandered Trump’s hard-won America's energy independence, " - Trump's hard won ..., LOL. Trump didn't do diddly, we became energy independent under Obama.
"Germany will not import American liquefied natural gas, as President Donald J. Trump pressed Chancellor Angela Merkel to do. " - WHY? Could it because American LNG is much more expensive to Germany? You also failed to mention that Perry DID complete a deal with Poland.
https://www.economist.com/the-economist … -in-europe
Yet this from Trump isn't senile??? "So right at the beginning, I said, “That’s the man.” And there was nobody better at that. And I think Hillary had 28 people, and I had Dan. Right? I had my Dan! And he works about 28 hours a day, and he works very hard. But he doesn’t work. I mean, he loves it. He loves it. And his imagination, and really working with all of you, and many of you. He’ll come up with ideas, and you’ll come up with ideas. And he’ll run into my office, he says, “You got to see this.” And a lot of times I’ll go out, and I’ll spend a lot of money on a concept. I’ll say, “Here’s a concept. Come up with this.” And we’ll hire these companies, and they want a lot of money, and they come back. Just happened the other day, right? I said, “That’s terrible. These guys have no talent.”"
BTW - Why didn't Trump stop Nord Stream 2 when he had the chance? He had three years to do something but failed miserably.
As to Nord Stream 2 sanctions. Biden didn't lift all of the sanctions and for those he did, apparently not wanting to cause a transatlantic rift with Germany while at the same time trying to repair all of the damage Trump did took precedence national security wise. I ask again, why didn't Trump try to stop it? Could it be he had a deal with Putin?"BTW - Why didn't Trump stop Nord Stream 2 when he had the chance? He had three years to do something but failed miserably."
Why didn't trump stop NS2 when he had the chance? He did. have the construction shut down due to sanctions. There has been no president in many Decades that was harder on Russia. I have offered the link time and again on the list of sanctions Trump put on Russia. It would seem you just are not willing to have a look at the huge list. That would be your problem, but facts are facts.
First I hate to tell you the NS2 was started on Obamas time...
The first line of Nord Stream (also known as Nord Stream 1[1]) was laid by May 2011 and was inaugurated on 8 November 2011.[2][3] The second line of Nord Stream was laid in 2011–2012 and was inaugurated on 8 October 2012. At 1,222 km (759 mi) in length, Nord Stream is the longest sub-sea pipeline in the world, surpassing the Langeled pipeline. So yes when they say much was built that is a fact. It has been being worked on since 2011. Construction of Nord Stream 2 in Germany began in 2016.
Trump put sanctions on Russia shortly after entering office. He did hold off a bit due to the sanctions were put together by the Obama administration. The NS2 was affected by the first set of Russian sanctions Trump put on Russia.
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa- … SKBN29O1XL
THEN 2019 --- Again Trump puts sanction on Russia that affects the building of NS2
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-50875935
THEN Jan 18 2021 before leaving the office slammed Russia once again with sanctions that were meant to deter the completion of the pipeline.
https://www.nytimes.com/2021/01/18/worl … -ship.html
Then comes Old kiss butt Joe... He lifted the Trump sanctions.
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/nation … s-n1267975
Just because you say it does not make it true...
WOW! Biden adds back 559,000 jobs in May (that is over 2.000,000 since February! yet the conservatives says Biden is, lol, losing jobs) and the UE rate plummets to 5.8%. Also, the stock market is higher that Trump ever hoped it would be. And yesterday, 1st time unemployment dropped to below 400,000, the lowest level since the early days of the pandemic - AGAIN.
What's not to like?Guess the red states that cut the $300.00 extra bucks paid off. Finally seeing Trump's record-breaking economy coming out of its respite. The Biden administration certainly has thrown up roadblocks. However, the Trump economy was built strong and thriving.
Nice try, that hasn't had an effect yet. For example, Florida doesn't stop payments for another week or two yet, lol.
Again, it is only the fake right-wing media and Trump supporters who think Trump's economy was so-called record breaking. The ONLY two things that broke records was the DOW Jones (which is a poor indicator of the state of the economy) and unemployment. The rest of his record was no better than or even worse than Obama's. When will you look at REAL numbers and come to understand that instead of pushing a very false narrative?
And finally, because Trump so bungled the response to the pandemic, the economy got a lot worse than it should have.Sorry fact say differently ---
Let us examine the success in the first three years of his administration before the coronavirus flattened the economy. The unemployment rate fell less than 4 percent, which was near the lowest in HALF a century.
The inflation rate fell to 1 percent, which was even below the target level set by the Federal Reserve. This has kept the interest rates on mortgages and many other loans down to the lowest level in modern times.
The portion who fell below the poverty line declined to the lowest level EVER recorded in 2019.
The wealth of households, including their stocks, savings, and real estate, rose to the highest level IN HISTORY.
The Census Bureau saw the median income rise to above $65,000, up by more than $5,000 in three years and double the gains from the last decade.
Almost all of these benefits were most pronounced for minorities, notably Blacks and Hispanics.
The best-ever quarterly GDP growth rate has been 33.4% for the third quarter (Q3) of 2020.
Like I said Trump truly broke records, he worked hard to provide the American people one of the very best economies in our history. Biden already has us in a rut with prices rising quickly on EVERYTHING... Inflation is evident.
https://www.cnn.com/2021/05/25/business … index.html
https://www.forbes.com/sites/rickhelfen … 97507ae743Sighhhh - didn't you read what I wrote? I gave you the unemployment stat. Even though it was simply a continuation of what Obama started, it did get that low under Trump.
Your inflation reference is fake news. You said, without specifying a time, it "fell to 1%" - Not under Trump it didn't. For the years he was president it was 2.1% (2017), 2.4% (2018), 1.8% (2019), and 1.3% (2020 covid), FYI - the Fed's target rate is 2%, which Trump missed 2 out of the 3 years without the effect of Covid. SO, DO you want to restate your claim?
Now, compare that to Obama from 2009 - 2016 where Obama was below your own metric for 7 out of the 8 years he was president! How was Trump better than Obama in that regard? He wasn't, he was Worse.
"The wealth of households, including their stocks, savings, and real estate, rose to the highest level IN HISTORY." - While true, it misrepresents the real world. The more important statistic is that this wealth you are so proud of is concentrated in historically fewer hands. The Record that Trump set was the largest wealth gap since the 1920s. I bet he is happy with that outcome.
I will also give you the poverty rate at 7.8% for 2019. But while I take it at face value, everybody knows Trump loved to try to fudge the numbers to make himself look good. Consider, since its Great recession high of 11.8 in 2010, it fell to 9.8 in 2016. It then declined to 9.3, 9.3, 9.0 in 2018. Then it fell dramatically to 7.8% - it has NEVER fallen that dramatically since they been keeping records. So, you can understand that given Trump's penchant for cooking the books, I take that 7.8% with a grain of salt.
Now on to your so-called historic rise in median income: Yes, it is impressive, but like poverty rate, it is a-historic, an outlier in other words. Why? Because the survey it is based on may have issues. It seems that the Economic Policy Institute discovered this -
"And yet there’s reason to put a big old asterisk on the data for 2019. Although the data release includes information about 2019 only, the data was collected between February and April of this year, right as the pandemic began to spread rapidly and most of the country was locked down. This Census paper discusses some of the impacts the pandemic had on data collection efforts. Overall, nonresponse increased significantly and was more strongly associated with income than in previous years, with nonresponse decreasing as income increases, meaning that income data could be skewed higher than it actually was. Respondents were also less likely to be Black and more likely to be white or Hispanic. Using that information, researchers at the Census provided new estimates for household income over the last four years, provided as a separate working paper and not adjusted in the official Census report." SO, only time will tell if those numbers can be trusted.
You won't let me talk about Trump's 2020 pandemic economic record (which is TERRIBLE) why should this reckless claim be given any credibility - "The best-ever quarterly GDP growth rate has been 33.4% for the third quarter (Q3) of 2020? Why didn't you mention in the same breath that the 2nd quarter 2020 was NEGATIVE 31.4% or that 1st Qtr was NEGATIVE 5% or Q4 was only 4.3%? Isn't what you presented called a deception?
Of course you didn't bother mentioning that Biden's 1st Qtr 2021 GDP was a very healthy 6.4% why? Now, if I were being disingenuous, I would have said that there hasn't been a quarterly growth like that since 1984. But I won't because I know it is an artifact of the economic recovery from the pandemic and doesn't represent anything more than things are getting better under Biden.
BTW - this INFLATION is a good thing because it show things are improving nicely. The question is, can it be kept under control?Once again, I offered you my opinion, and I offered sources that helped me come to my opinion. An economy is certainly not always measure by unemployment rates. There are many variables to consider, as my comment offered an explanation. We are in a rescission, in my view due to the Biden administration's poor decision-making, and rhetoric. His rhetoric is causing poor consumer confidence, and we are seeing rising prices and people drawing back from spending. We are on our way to big problems. I certainly hope I am wrong.
Let us examine the success in the first three years of his administration before the coronavirus flattened the economy. The unemployment rate fell less than 4 percent, which was near the lowest in HALF a century.
The inflation rate fell to 1 percent, which was even below the target level set by the Federal Reserve. This has kept the interest rates on mortgages and many other loans down to the lowest level in modern times.
The portion that fell below the poverty line declined to the lowest level EVER recorded in 2019.
The wealth of households, including their stocks, savings, and real estate, rose to the highest level IN HISTORY.
The Census Bureau saw the median income rise to above $65,000, up by more than $5,000 in three years and double the gains from the last decade.
Almost all of these benefits were most pronounced for minorities, notably Blacks and Hispanics.
The best-ever quarterly GDP growth rate has been 33.4% for the third quarter (Q3) of 2020.
Like I said Trump truly broke records, he worked hard to provide the American people one of the very best economies in our history. Biden already has us in a rut with prices rising quickly on EVERYTHING... Inflation is evident.
https://www.cnn.com/2021/05/25/business … index.html
https://www.forbes.com/sites/rickhelfen … 97507ae743
Let’s be realistic. Operation warp speed was a success which gave us vaccines. All this administration had to do was make certain they were made available to the public. So operation warp speed allowed the economy to open which created jobs. Biden laying claim to anything other than successfully making the vaccines available is a bit of a stretch.
It maybe an unwritten law now.
Vaccinated people now can punch unvaccinated in the face.
That pretty well, says it all.Scary. The holier than though attitude of many Americans on this subject does appear to make them believe they can assault each other over vaccinations.
Alot of pushback is now starting to happen. It must happen or we will be totally owned by the powers to be.
Let's be realistic - While the Warp Speed was a success, it was the ONLY approval Trump can claim regarding the pandemic, every other thing he did made things worse, much worse including his flubbed roll-out of the vaccine (which he did really care if Americans got). It took Biden to do the hard work of getting shots in a lot of arms.
Even hear, because of RINO stupidity, he will have a hard time getting America to herd immunity. Too many RINOs still believe Trump's exhortations that the virus isn't that bad and not to worry about it (600,000 deaths later)
No, Operation Warp Speed DID NOT allow the economy to open. It was Biden's push to get the resulting vaccines in arms that did - and we are still not there. There are several RINO states subject to additional waves of infection because they refuse to get vaccinated. Based on his Dec/Jan roll-out debacle, Trump would still be trying to figure out how to 1) get those vaccines produced and 2) how to get people to take them (remember, he hasn't even pushed his own supporters to get vaccinated!, He would still be telling them not to wear masks and not to social distance and that the pandemic was over in May 2020)I watched a congressional hearing the other day with the CDC and NIH heads claiming not much over half of their employees have been vaccinated. I don’t think all of those are the RINOs and, to be honest, had I known so many in those ranks would refuse the vaccine I might have been less inclined to get vaccinated.
What do they know that scares them?I see you fell for more conservative Fake News again. Here is the TRUTH.
"Federal health officials testified at a Senate committee hearing that about 60% of their employees have been vaccinated against COVID-19 so far. But viral online posts have distorted their comments to misleadingly claim that half of the employees “are refusing” the vaccines. The officials did not say anyone had refused to get vaccinated."
https://www.factcheck.org/2021/05/scich … cinations/
Even in my own office, none of which are RINO's (or even real Republicans), only 4 of 7 of us are vaccinated. One hold out will be vaccinated shortly and the other two are afraid of the short-term after effects of the shots.Ok maybe it is just your desire to belittle but, honestly, in my opinion 60% equates to not much more than 50%. We are saying the same thing. Does that mean you fell for the same thing I fell for?
Biden has already gotten GDP back up to the level it was before the Trump-Pandemic Recession.
The stock market continues to soar under Biden.Because of Joe Biden and his administrations great competency in getting the vaccine in people's arms so fast, some hospitals are reporting they are Covid Free
https://www.cnn.com/2021/06/06/us/us-co … index.html
(Although sadly, in those states resisting vaccination, some hospitals are seeing another surge)I am happy to read that the plug is being pulled on the environmentally devesting Keystone XL pipeline. I thank you Joe Biden (and Barak Obama), the world thanks you, and the earth thanks you.
https://www.cnn.com/2021/06/09/energy/k … index.html"Started economy growing again"
Really?
June 10 021U.S. consumer prices soar again and push CPI inflation rate to a 13-year high. The numbers: The cost of living surged again in May and drove the pace of inflation to a 13-year high of 5%, reflecting a broad increase in prices confronting Americans. The consumer price index jumped 0.6% last month to mark the fourth large gain in a row, the government said Thursday
The rate of inflation over the past year escalated to 5% from 4.2% in the prior month. That put it at the highest level since 2008, when the cost of oil hit a record $150 a barrel.
Another closely watched measure of inflation that omits volatile food and energy also shot up 0.7% in May. The 12-month rate climbed to 3.8% from 3%, a 29-year high.
Not sure about where this kind of inflation will lead us. So you may have given credit where it is not due.First you quote ""Started economy growing again" - and then disagree with "Really? June 10 021U.S. consumer prices soar again and push CPI inflation rate to a 13-year high. " - People who understand economics know that one has nothing to do with the other. You can have a growing economy with little inflation or you can have a growing economy with a lot of inflation (although it is almost impossible to have a growing economy with negative inflation). Consequently, what you said makes no sense at all.
All that data, I am sure, is correct. But at this point in time it doesn't mean much. You can look at this way, the economy is reacting to a decade of artificially low inflation. Like anything that is prevented from reaching its normal lever, when the forces keeping it down are suddenly released then there will be a violent reaction in the other direction - that is just the way things work. It is up to the Fed to insure it doesn't spiral out of control and ruin what gains have been made."Started economy growing again" - I was being sarcastic.
My comment was to point out current inflation... I did that. We are currently having inflation. June 10, 2021 --- consumer prices soar again and push the CPI inflation rate to a 13-year high. The numbers: The cost of living surged again in May and drove the pace of inflation to a 13-year high of 5%, reflecting a broad increase in prices confronting Americans. The consumer price index jumped 0.6% last month to mark the fourth large gain in a row, the government said Thursday. I quoted a Market Watch article, that provides stats, not predictions. I offered no opinion or really added anything that I could not prove as factual. You don't like the stats that's your problem. My comment contains stats that are being widely reported. So not sure why you state they don't make sense. They are stats, numbers percentages.
"All that data, I am sure, is correct. But at this point in time it doesn't mean much."
I never said they did...here is what I said.-- Not sure about where this kind of inflation will lead us. So you may have given credit where it is not due.
https://www.marketwatch.com/story/infla … 2021-06-10And "So you may have given credit where it is not due." is what is disconnected. The economy and stock market are doing GREAT since Biden was elected. The fact that inflation is overcorrecting a little bit doesn't take away from that.
"Lumber futures have faced significant weakness in the past month following a major move higher during the Covid pandemic. Lumber futures for July delivery fell more than 5% to $1,158 per thousand board feet Tuesday, which is down more than 30% from a record $1,711 on May 10."
Congress passed (except for 13 RINOs) and Joe Biden signed a long overdue National Holiday - Juneteenth which commemorates the ending slavery in America.
Another problem solved.I must say you come up with some real chuckles... This takes the cake. First, I am pleased that Juneteenth has been made a Holiday. However, this was not a pressing problem. Just another opportunity for Biden to pander. In my view, I think many American's realize this was sheer pandering.
"Biden signed into law a bill to make Juneteenth, or June 19, the 12th federal holiday. The House voted 415-14 on Wednesday to send the bill to Biden, while the Senate passed the bill unanimously"
You consider this a problem? How about our border to start? We have Florida sending in National Guard to help secure it, due to Joe refusing to recognize the problem, and Texas now confirming they will continue building the wall. Biden needs to stop pandering and start solving problems that affect all Americans.
I for one am very displeased with Biden's job performance. He literally has done nothing. And the summer break is here for Congress. I think it great you posted a three to keep a tally on what you consider Biden's accomplishments. I assume as time goes on we can follow what Biden has done that is positive for the country.
You may have wanted to add Joe's G7 reviews, they were actually somewhat positive.
Promise not kept.
WASHINGTON – The Senate failed to advance a sweeping voting rights bill Tuesday, stalling the Democratic legislation aimed at countering recent restrictive state measures pursued in Republican-led states.
The Senate failed to advance the For the People Act to the floor for a debate. In a vote of 50-50, it fell short of the 60 needed to overcome a GOP filibuster. All Democratic Senators voted to begin debate, and the Republicans unanimously voted to block it.
Hearing Peoples Act Bill--- This hearing is very informative, and American citizens really need to listen to the hearing to really have a better idea about what this bill was all about. Senators on both sides can be heard making their case for or against The Peoples Act Bill. You be the judge but make an informed judgment. IMO this bill was unconstitutional, and nothing but a power grab. A power grab that Republicans certainly could have made while they controlled the House and Senate under Trump. But did not... Why, because they keep to, and protect our Constitution. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AUmHu6l … p;t=27291s
One fact that is very glaring in regards to the 2020 election--- We had a historic turnout in numbers of votes cast. Historic numbers. Does this fact stand to provide the need to change our voting laws? Does this fact stand to make it necessary for our voting laws to become Federalized? Does this historic voter turnout call for our Constitution to be amended? Do facts matter any longer when it comes to changing our laws, our Constitution? Or do the media's OPINIONs just matter more?I just saw this - "One fact that is very glaring in regards to the 2020 election--- We had a historic turnout in numbers of votes cast. Historic numbers. Does this fact stand to provide the need to change our voting laws? " -
THEN Please tell me Republicans are changing them in every Red state??? What the Democrats are trying to do is make sure we keep having historic numbers by cancelling out all of the restrictions Republicans are putting on voting.Do larger numbers of votes give rise to additional probability, no matter how low, of fraud?
Those magnificent numbers happened because of extreme emotional responses to the election; do such emotions give rise to an increased probability, no matter how low, of fraud (will people cheat more if they are angry or scared)?
Be honest and then repeat that we need no voter security.We need to protect ourselves from Republican voters[/b\ since they are the [b]only ones found guilty of it in 2020 that I read about.
I suspect they may give rise to an insignificant rise in probability. But, since it is at an almost imperceptible volume to start with, there was no need for the draconian, Jim Crow measures the Republicans took.
It is that fact and the many pronouncements by Republicans in GA, TX, FL, and many other states that this was the most honest election ever which will probably carry the day in DOJ's suit against GA and any other state that is trying to suppress the vote.
And I am being honest when I say we don't need MORE voter security. What America needs is more access to voting than we already have to drive those numbers further up. I think both the John Lewis Act (to reestablish Section 5 in the Voter Rights Act) and Sen Joe Manchin's compromise bill, which no true American should have any problem with, are the answer we need.Is there a reason you neglected to answer or even consider the two questions I asked?
Is there a reason you didn't read/understand my response? Or did you hide two questions in your comment that I didn't answer?
Here, I'll repeat them:
With more voters does the probability that some will be fraud increase?
With an emotionally charged election such as we just had, does the probability of fraud increase?
You failed to address either one - try again?And I will repeat my answers -
- "With more voters does the probability that some will be fraud increase?" my answer was I suspect they may give rise to an insignificant rise in probability. But, since it is at an almost imperceptible volume to start with, there was no need for the draconian, Jim Crow measures the Republicans took.
'With an emotionally charged election such as we just had, does the probability of fraud increase?" - My answer is the same "I suspect they may give rise to an insignificant rise in probability. But, since it is at an almost imperceptible volume to start with, there was no need for the draconian, Jim Crow measures the Republicans took.
It is pretty clear the RINO objective is to lower the amount of voting in hopes that they can actually win a national or statewide election.So you think fraudulent voting will rise, but are willing to bet the integrity of the election will not be compromised because the numbers are too small. And you base this on the opinion, unsupported by investigative facts, that the level of fraud is insignificant now.
Do I need to mention that your reasoning is badly flawed (or nonexistent) and that the claims that the GOP wishes to limit voting is worse?Nope, try reading my answer again and take your blinders off this time.
1. I think fraudulent voting MIGHT rise imperceptibly (do you see the nuance there?)
2. I am not willing to BET anything because ALL of the data shows that what fraud does occur (apparently by Republicans only now) in modern elections have no bearing on the outcome. Just read the statements by your heroes like Ron DeSantis "He reiterated Friday that Florida held the “smoothest and most successful election of any state” in November,"
It is not my "opinion", it is the result of much research that fraud is almost non-existent in modern elections.(I have provided these to you before but you apparently ignored them)
https://www.brennancenter.org/sites/def … d_Myth.pdf
Here is an example of the MASSIVE voter fraud from the very conservative Heritage Foundation - 1,328 PROVEN instances of fraud over almost FORTY YEARS.
https://www.heritage.org/voterfraud/sea … mp;page=65
So please, join the Real World.
"Do I need to mention that your reasoning is badly flawed (or nonexistent) and that the claims that the GOP wishes to limit voting is worse?" - LOL, I guess you didn't read any of the repressive Republican legislation either.That's what I said; no real evidence was found in the investigations that never took place, so we know there will never be significant fraud regardless of how loose we make voting security.
The twisted thought train of the liberal is fascinating to see.So what you are saying is that you are so blind to reality that you don't even believe one of your own, the very conservative Heritage Foundation's. Interesting, but not surprising.
Did the foundation check that every vote was from a registered, legal voter? Did they check that no one voted more than once? Did they interview every voter to see if and when they voted and who they voted for - did it match the count? Did they check for harassments at the polls? Did they search hard for destroyed ballots, or ballots that should not have been accepted? There is a whole raft of methods to commit voting fraud - did they thoroughly check for all of them in every election for 40 years?
Or did they look at court records for convictions over those 40 years for fraud? There is a vast difference between actually looking for fraud and looking at conviction records. Can I assume you understand the difference here?
To simply assume that every location took great pains (we know they do not) to ensure security, and every instance found resulted in a conviction is foolish beyond belief.
(Did the acceptance of illegally late ballots in the last election result in a conviction? Did anyone even report it? Did anyone care that it was against state law? Or was it simply ignored in favor of getting more Democrat ballots counted?)"Did the foundation check that every vote was from a registered, legal voter? ...." - Sorry, those are really stupid questions.
You know as well as I do, your conservative Heritage Foundation researched all of the provable cases of fraud and reported on them. Unlike Trump, they are ethical enough not to make things up.
"(Did the acceptance of illegally late ballots in the last election result in a conviction? " - AS YOU like to say, WHERE is your proof of that? Trump certain didn't provide any and that which he did claim as evidence the Courts threw out as hog wash. You must have some hidden knowledge that Trump doesn't have access to, lol.
Your whole comment is the definition of a desperate grasping at straws.No, the Heritage foundation went back 40 years (or whatever it was) looking for court convictions concerning voter fraud.
That is NOT how to determine if there was fraud and you know and understand it as well as I do. The problem is that if you acknowledge that it means that we just might need some voting security and that goes against the liberal agenda.
There cannot possibly be a weaker straw than "We know there is no fraud because the investigations we did not conduct did not find any".
(I do, however, understand your claim that questions on what was done to check for fraud are stupid; if they weren't you would have to again acknowledge that we actually DON'T check much of anything. That's unacceptable, right?)
America's economy is booming, but Republicans are Miserable reads the headline.
HIGHLIGHTS, beyond what I have presented earlier.
- " GDP is growing again, surging for the past three quarters after dips in the first half of last year."
- "The job market is recovering too, as workers in hard-hit services sectors return to employment."
- "Earnings have rebounded "
- "US stocks touched record highs on Tuesday. " (Trump's favorite measure)
- "The housing market continues to sizzle."
- "it's pretty much back to business as usual for many major cities."
- "Oxford Economics expects the US economy will grow at an average pace of 7.5% in 2021, the fastest growth rate since 1951." (hopefully it cools down quickly. If not, the inflation fears may become real)
- "Americans are also traveling again. " (driving up gas prices)
- "United Airlines announced the largest aircraft purchase in the company's history and the biggest order by any airline in about a decade."
An interesting finding is that Pre-Trump, the Michigan Consumer Sentiment Index showed that Republicans and Democrats roughly felt the same way. If the Index was down, both Rs and Ds were down. If the Index was up, both the Rs and Ds were up.
During and after Trump, Consumer Sentiment appears to have been politicized along with everything else. During Trump, Republican and Democratic Sentiment went in opposite directions. Same with the first few months of Biden - Republicans think things stink while Democrats are optimistic.
https://www.cnn.com/2021/06/29/economy/ … index.htmlWOW!!! Biden adds 850,000 jobs in June. Great work Mr. president.
https://www.cnn.com/2021/07/02/economy/ … index.htmlYep - as governors re-open their states after COVID shut down the jobs come back. And, of course, it is because of Biden's efforts, not the states and not COVID.
Now if we could only FILL those jobs in spite of Biden's efforts to pay people to stay home! I notice that some states are ending his great giveaways and with it the encouragement to sit home rather than work. Does Biden get credit for that, too? Will he get credit for giving tens of thousands of people months of paid vacation funded by the tax receipts from those willing to work?Hey you gave Trump credit for things he had nothing to do with, I give Biden credit for things he did do such as - how did I put it for Sharlee - "But what he did do was create the conditions so that those people COULD return to those jobs. As I said GREAT JOB Mr. President."
"spite of Biden's efforts to pay people to stay home! " - The Experts disagree with that right-wing myth.
You will have to wait until July before any analysis of states cutting off aid had any real impact. Those actions didn't affect June numbers. So you think the pandemic was a vacation for all of those laid off - typical.LOL The ONLY thing Biden to re-open the economy was to continue the vaccine program started by Trump. Individual states did the rest, as you well know.
I'm positive that the Left Wing, Trump Hating "experts" will deny that giving more free money than they can earn by working to people that won't work is a good way to get them to work. Fortunately many of us don't fall for the Tall Tale, and in fact predicted exactly what we see happening as soon as the Great Giveaway was proposed.
Yeah - when you take home more from Uncle Sam than from your job it is a vacation. Paid time off - it is indeed termed a "vacation", particularly when the new pay schedule is far better than your job provided.
But Eso, you know this. And you know that if people are being paid more to stay home than they would get working then they will stay home. It isn't rocket science to figure that one out, and you are quite capable of making the connection. Just as your "experts" are. If we pay farmers not to plant crops, and the payment is far above any reasonable expectation of profit, they won't plant. No difference, and it has worked for decades."LOL The ONLY thing Biden to re-open the economy was to continue the vaccine program started by Trump. Individual states did the rest, as you well know." - ACTUALLY, you know most of that is FALSE. All Trump did was sign off on Operation Warp Speed (a major accomplishment) and didn't get in the way (as he is prone to do) of others like Dr. Fauci who did the miraculous work of getting a vaccine ready in 12 months. - That was the TRUE part, the rest is FALSE or mostly FALSE.
Trump was fumbling the vaccine roll-out terribly by 100% relying on the states, many (all Red) of who are still way behind the power curve. It took Biden to properly use the Defense Production Act and to nationalize the distribution that got so many shots into so many arms in the states who were willing to get their people vaccinated (mostly Blue). So NO, "Individual states did not do the rest, as you well know."
"I'm positive that the Left Wing, Trump Hating "experts" will deny that giving more free money ..." - THE DATA says you are wrong here as well. The data show that there are many reasons why people aren't taking jobs - the extra unemployment benefit is just one small part of that.
"And you know that if people are being paid more to stay home than they would get working then they will stay home. " - JUST another right-wing myth.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/outlook/ … wage-work/
These are people returning to jobs they held before the pandemic. Biden did not create these jobs. Biden made it rain, and people have just realized the cash is about to end ... Again CNN
In my view all Biden's done so far is create inflation and a gigantic problem at the border. And generally trying to spend money that we don't have. IMO -- He is a pure disaster.Did I say he created those jobs??? No I didn't. But what he did do was create the conditions so that those people COULD return to those jobs. As I said GREAT JOB Mr. President.
I use CNN because they publish the TRUTH and it is convenient, unlike your sources.
You forgot the record growth in GDP, best since 1951, I think, or was it 1984?
More great news out of that jobs report - year-over-year wage increase was 3.6%!! Not bad President Biden.
https://www.cnbc.com/2021/07/02/jobs-re … -2021.htmlPart of a bubble, a small bubble at that... I am sure you are aware that employers have had to up the ante to get people back in their jobs. many have just been enjoying staying home on Joe's brilliant plan to give $300.00 more in unemployment. Yes, such a brilliant bit of thinking on Joe's part.
This "bit" of a wage gain will be well earned when em[loyers cut back on staff, and leave the work to fewer. And oh, those that get the can will be right back on unemployment.So you buy into this right-wing myth as well, I see. " many have just been enjoying staying home on Joe's brilliant plan to give $300.00 more in unemployment."
The fact is the extra unemployment benefits is only a small part of why people are refusing to work. For example, many don't think it is safe yet. https://www.washingtonpost.com/outlook/ … wage-work/The money Joe provides has poured back into the economies. It's money that needed to be printed. His economy is the Trump economy return and fluffy money that has caused inflation. Hopefully, the rest of the jobs trump created will soon be added to the Jobs numbers. Biden lost our jobs, no way could I give Biden credit for something the Trump administration did.
In my opinion, Biden is sinking faster than I felt he would. Still hiding, still making non-sensical statements.
I do not read WAPO --- ever
Let's have a look at inflation, this is where the rubber hits the road -- when America's start feeling their pockets light ...
U.S. inflation likely to remain elevated for up to four years
https://www.reuters.com/business/global … 021-06-25/
Let's look at inflation where the rubber hit the road --- American's pockets.
U.S. Inflation Is Highest in 13 Years as Prices Surge 5%
https://www.wsj.com/articles/us-inflati … 1623288303
U.S. inflation soars in April to 13-year high, CPI shows, and reveals fresh stress on the economy https://www.marketwatch.com/story/u-s-i … 1620823628"It's money that needed to be printed. " - ANOTHER one of your unsupported and false claims.
If this were true, then Trump printed tons of money, didn't he.
"I do not read WAPO --- ever" - That is not surprising and it helps explain why you are so uninformed with the TRUTH.
Rather than your "the sky is falling, chicken little" headlines. This is what the real question is about inflation:
"There’s no debate about whether America is experiencing significant inflation. But a short-term increase in prices would be no big deal; in fact, it might even be a good thing, since inflation has been excessively low over the past decade. (Just what I have told you many times already)
The question is whether today’s price increases are the beginning of lasting trend, or the product of a temporary mismatch between demand and supply, as the economy adjusts to post-COVID crisis conditions. The Federal Reserve, the government entity most responsible for tracking inflation, endorses the latter hypothesis. But some economists disagree."
https://nymag.com/intelligencer/article … rices.html"I do not read WAPO --- ever" - That is not surprising and it helps explain why you are so uninformed with the TRUTH."
That would be your opinion, which I am not surprised at.
I offered several economist opinions. take them or leave them. I choose to give them merit.
Whether they think it safe or not, precious few would starve rather than go back to their job...if they weren't being paid to stay home.
"if they weren't being paid to stay home." - AND WHERE are the studies to back up that claim? If you produce none, then we know your claim is false.
Do you need a study to see if Biden authorized federal unemployment to supplement state unemployment? I was pretty sure that everyone in the country knew about that.
Thought so, your claim that Biden is paying people to stay home is false..
So, you are encouraging people to get very sick and possibly die in order not to starve? Is that right? How big of you. Or maybe you are telling them to go make their fellow unvaccinated workers very sick and possibly die. Sounds like it is one or the other or maybe both.
LOL You assumptions are always great to see. The ability to put ridiculous thoughts into the heads of others takes a special talent.
How about they just get a vaccination like everyone else and quit living off the charity of others? If they would rather risk sickness and death, by NOT getting a vaccination, it is certainly a choice they can make, but it IS their choice.There are many people who can't get vaccinated. There are many more who are like you and don't trust the gov't enough to think the vaccination is safe yet. Many conservatives oppose it on principle (which means you think your fellow conservatives are moochers to).
I agree that the vaccines are safe and effective but there are so many like you who believe the lies put out by right-wing propaganda or the evangelical pastors, that it isn't. It seems to me you would a prime candidate to thinking that way given you have bought into Trump's BIg Lie and his other BS so easily.There are very few that cannot get vaccinated. But just as you say, the REST of the crowd (99.99%?) make a choice not to protect themselves or others. Only problem is that that choice includes the choice to sponge off of the efforts of others at the same time. Unacceptable to any but liberals like you, who rejoice in taking what a person has built in order to give it to someone that would rather stay home. You make that choice to not protect yourself (or your neighbors, friends and acquaintances), fine...but make the choice to go hungry along with it. Don't expect others to pick up your needs because you choose not to do it yourself.
Now, now, Eso - you really should not be spreading lies like these. I don't believe vaccines are not safe. I don't believe the election had fraud to the point of changing it. You can, of course, make the claim that I do believe these things but it is a flat out lie. No spin, no twist, no exaggeration...just a flat out lie, and one really beneath you."Unacceptable to any but liberals like you, who rejoice in taking what a person has built in order to give it to someone that would rather stay home. " - Apparently it is acceptable to many conservatives as well since they are on the dole as well - so it is not just a liberal thing, is it.
Here is one reason why I say that as well as saying as each day goes by, there are fewer and fewer Trump supporters around to vote for the Big Liar again.
This research plots county vaccination rates against percentage of Trump voters in each county. It is clear the unvaccinated today are largely Trump voters and with the much higher mortality rate of the Delta variant, they are clearly committing suicide with their stupidity.
https://acasignups.net/21/07/04/happy-i … els-county
That is a very impressing and very telling chart!Not sure what any of that has to do with claiming what I think or believe...
Are you lumping into a group - having decided that because I'm generally conservative (with some really big differences) I believe as the fringe conservative elements do? Like deciding that all blacks cannot get a voter ID, cannot enter a building to find a drop box and cannot vote without having water and food handed to them because they have dark skin?"Are you lumping into a group - having decided that because I'm generally conservative (with some really big differences) I believe as the fringe conservative elements do? "
Absolutely because the only thing i have to go on is your comments. And those comments, by and large, reflect the fringe element, i.e. the Trump element of the conservatives.
The second part of your statement is simple nonsense because you used the work "ALL".I see. That I don't like Trump means I'm fringe and love him. That I don't like his stance on religious issues means I'm fringe and love him and his policies. That I found his tantrum at losing to be abhorrent means I love him. I have to say that your reasoning process is in much need of some TLC.
OK - you may change ALL to MOST. Or even a LARGE MINORITY if it makes you feel better."That I don't like Trump means I'm fringe and love him. " - You not liking Trump and what he stands for would be very hard to believe since you consistently defend him and almost anything he does. Sure, you might find one thing here or another thing there about him you might find distasteful, but by and large you appear to buy into his fantasy world.
Why don't you try using an appropriate word like "Some"? With that refinement and a couple of other changes,then "Like deciding that SOME blacks cannot get a voter ID, cannot enter a building to find a drop box and cannot vote without having water and food handed to them because they have dark skin and will probably vote Democratic?" makes perfect sense because it is TRUE.
The whole purpose of all of these voter suppression laws is to reduce the turnout of Democratic voters.I DO like what Trump stands for - the return of business to American shores. Jobs for everyone. Low taxes. Only necessary regulations. Increased, vs decreased, freedoms for all. A closed border. A nation of laws.
That you choose to pretend these things are NOT what he proposes doesn't change that. Nor does it mean liberals are for such things, no matter how hard you might try.
You missed the sarcasm. There are NO blacks that cannot enter a building to find a drop box. There are NO blacks that cannot vote without having water and food handed to them. Again, no matter how hard you try, saying there are does not make it so.
The whole purpose of all voter suppression laws is to reduce the turnout of ANY voter, not just Democratic ones. Fortunately, there are precious few (perhaps 2 in the country?) that are actually attempting to limit voting. The rest are to promote fair elections, and again it doesn't matter how hard you promote that black folks, or those voting Democrat, require water in line in order to vote it remains a false statement.
No election will ever be perfect throughout the country. Last time we worked through the COVID crises and, while the results were not perfect, they were pretty good overall. Yes, we had some areas violating state laws, and we had some extraordinary lines from unexpectedly large numbers of voters, and we had some areas mailing out unsolicited ballots to everyone they had and address for whether that address was accurate or not, but overall we did pretty good considering the times. That's the best we can hope for; minimize problems while maximizing security - that liberals will, every time, ignore the second does not make it wise to do so."I DO like what Trump stands for - the return of business to American shores." - but at what cost?. Clearly you do not believe in international supply and demand. In any case, Trump didn't achieve that goal as our trade deficit kept getting larger.
"Jobs for everyone." - Obama already did that, Trump simply didn't screw it up.
"Low taxes" - For the Rich and Rich Corporation you mean. The middle and lower classes saw very little of that, if any.
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/two-years- … truggling/
https://www.usatoday.com/in-depth/news/ … 685282001/
"Only necessary regulations. " - Yes, and because of it America is a much more unhealthful place - thank you very much Trump for bringing back pollution.
"Increased, vs decreased, freedoms for all" - I guess Black, gays, women, legal immigrants don't fit into your category for "all". BTW, besides giving white Supremacists more freedom, name me one law or EO he signed that increase freedom for white men (let alone women, gays, and legal immigrants).
"A closed border." - actually he didn't do that either, the pandemic did.
"A Nation of Laws" - that is what we had - until Trump came around and wouldn't it have been nice if he had followed them himself.
"You missed the sarcasm. " - Apparently. But your rejoinder is absurd and your use of absolutes totally misses the point of the Jim Crow laws. Of course, we hope, any Democrats aren't prohibited from entering a building to use a drop box. That is your creation, not mine, so it needs to be ignored.
But what is true, they made drop boxes harder to get to by limiting the number of them and the hours they are available and having to be observed. The Republicans are under the perception that using drop boxes is a Democratic thing, since they used it a lot. Therefore, by making it harder to use them, it puts an unneeded burden on voters especially since there is no fraud at all associated with drop boxes. That is what Florida did and now it is harder for me and my wife to vote.
"The whole purpose of all voter suppression laws is to reduce the turnout of ANY voter" - LOL, there is more evidence of the fantasy world you live in. If that were true, why aren't Blue states enacting these laws? Why is it only Red states trying to protect their Republican majority? It also is absolutely ridiculous that laws would be passed to suppress all voters. What would be the purpose. There isn't any. Consequently, since only Red states are passing suppression laws, it is only logical their target are people who vote Democratic.
"The rest are to promote fair elections," - Wrong again, as you buy into the RINO widespread voter fraud myth. The elections were fair with extremely little fraud (what was found was all Republican, btw, a fact you fail to appreciate). So, what is to promote? NOTHING. It is clear the RINOs are trying to rig the election in their favor.
"No election will ever be perfect throughout the country. Last time we worked through the COVID crises and, while the results were not perfect, they were pretty good overall. " - how can you write that with a straight face, lol, after everything you just wrote presupposes the election was not "good overall"? If the election was "good overall" you wouldn't have all of these Red states writing hundreds of laws trying to rig the election in their favor.
This argument from the Right always amazes me - "and we had some areas mailing out unsolicited ballots to everyone they had and address for whether that address was accurate or not, " - SO WHAT? Why does that matter? They can mail out billions of ballots for all I care, but the only thing that counts is the one that is sent back with a signature on it that matches the voting records. (you do have a minor exception of the Republican voter in PA who voted for is dead mother and mother-in- law. He is in jail the last I heard.) The ONLY reason the Right doesn't want all of those ballots out there is to cut down on the number of Democrats returning them.
He's trying to rebuild the international trust. The relationship between Europe and the US has shifted dramatically during Trumps reign. Europe understanding that the US is not an ally automatically.
Another thing Biden has brought is the language of communication. Trump was and is a warmonger in the social media. Constantly provoking. It poisons the discussion on topics where the middle ground was erased and only white or black opinions mattered.
The press briefings are finally normal again and not a social media show.
And Biden can recite a poem."Europe understanding that the US is not an ally automatically." - That is probably one of the top five terrible, possibly irreparable, things Trump did in his short four years - destroy the trust other nations had in America's word.
It will probably take a few generations of successive normal presidents before the rest of the world will believe we won't implode like we did in 2016 and elect another demagogue like him. Given that at least a third of Americans have been brainwashed by him, the right-wing propaganda and their helpers Russian, China, and Iran, and the massive effort by RINOs to undermine our democracy, that is no sure thing.After two failed, fake impeachment efforts and years of failed witch hunting for anything that would remove him from the political arena I have to question just who is trying to undermine our democracy. The concept of a legally conducted election is set aside in favor of media and court challenges to the opponent you don't like any more.
Yes, I wonder if it will ever be like that again. Besides Trump's questionable foreign political ideas (were there any?) The fast data collection by the American government (Think about the Snowden files, monitoring etc) and the private companies like Facebook, Amazon, Apple, Thiels Pandora project and others also alarmed Europe. Making them more stringent laws about privacy and data collection.
It's a sad thing, And the days that the US could ask Europe to help to invade Iraq are over. I think if the US wants to invade Iran for example, Europe would say, fight your own war. It's a good thing and a bad thing.
I think the US does not have the leverage anymore to police the world. with consequences as more dictators like Erdogan will take advantage.
Russia is testing Biden by sending troops to the borders, a macho thing he didn't need to do with Trump, as he controlled Trump who was politically naive. (great in social media branding though..)
So yes, the coming years will be tough for Biden as the political stage has shifted. With China taking over political influence in Africa.
Interesting to see that more and more Chinese documentaries are seen on Netflix for example. China reaching out in the cultural domain, once dominated by Holywood. In the art scene, China is for a decade or so the avantgarde with important world-dominating galleries.
I'm afraid that the US lost itself in nostalgia. Trump's fascist slogan with Make America Great again showed this nostalgia to the once Great America. (Ring a bell...German Fascism also longing for the old forgotten days when Germany was a great empire...Nordic myths etc...it's textbook fascism using nostalgia as a weapon.)
Don't look backwards, but forwards. To me that was always the great power of the US. new tech, new avant-garde arts and design. I hope the US with Biden will have the guts to become a world leader again in fighting the biggest crisis of all the Climate Crisis.The perspective you forward is one from an extreme, I'm not going to put a label to it, other than to say you have voiced and expounded upon every negative thing ever said or written about Trump.
I have no heartburn over Trump being removed from Office, but, I also don't think the alternative that America was presented is going to prove 'better' for America... especially when it comes to foreign relations.
You've noted the negatives regarding Trump, let me note that there were some positives however, such as, no one wanted to make a seriously hostile move as they had no idea how he would react, also, they expected that he would look out for America first... not always a bad thing when trying to sit down and negotiate with a foreign nation.
Biden's recent appearance at the G7 summit held June 2021 11-13th showed to the other world leaders that he is a man of declining mental capability, he had to be handled and managed by his entourage and this was all too obvious to foreign media coverage.
The American MSM is in full blown protection mode, as voracious as they were in pointing out every gaff or mistake Trump made, they are working just as diligently today to dismiss or explain away any stumble or screw-up by Biden.
Biden doesn't get that support or protection from foreign media, nor will other world leaders play nice because 'Good ol' Joe' is going a bit senile... they will take advantage and they will push where they see weakness (we will see this especially with China in the months ahead).
Unfortunately, where Pence was a calming and steady presence for Trump's Administration, giving most people the confidence that if the Presidency fell to Pence things would be well managed... few have that belief or perception today about Harris, all we read about today in regards to her is 'White House in Damage Control', in fact, the more speaking she does in public, the more worried people seem to be getting that behind the ailing Biden, sits Harris.
So, when it comes to foreign relations it is very much a matter of perspective whether or not things have "improved' from Trump.
However, when it comes to going along with the Paris Accord, Compact on Migration, deferring to the IMF, UN, WTO... you are correct, Biden is very much what was wanted, a polar opposite of Trump.
Interesting. More Americans think America is going in the right direction since 2009 - Keep it up Joe.
It still isn't above 50%, but when has it ever been? Maybe sometime in the Clinton years. Looking at the chart, it appears Biden is doing 8 to 9 points better than Trump did.
The same with Congressional approval. While still dismal, it has been running higher since shortly after Biden took office and the Democrats took over than it ever has back to 2009. It actually started improving when the Democrats took over the House.
https://www.realclearpolitics.com/epoll … y-902.html
https://www.realclearpolitics.com/epoll … l-903.htmlMyself I have lost faith in the polls --- but the polls today have Biden slipping further...
https://www.reuters.com/world/us/suppor … 021-06-30/
https://www.forbes.com/sites/jackbrewst … d9506763d1
https://www.forbes.com/sites/jackbrewst … 29b30a348f
https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news … biden-poll
AND WHY THE HELL HAS BIDEN NOT RESPONDED TO CHINA"S THREAT? I realize he said he would be off celebrating the 4th -- but come on.
The Chinese communist regime is moving aggressively to expand its influence abroad, while issuing unveiled threats to other countries that might think of trying to stop it – as the U.S. is trying to rally allies to push back against the regime's expansionist efforts.
"The Chinese people will absolutely not allow any foreign force to bully, oppress or enslave us and anyone who attempts to do so will face broken heads and bloodshed in front of the iron Great Wall of the 1.4 billion Chinese people," President Xi Jinping said this week as he marked the 100 year anniversary of the party’s founding.
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/china- … -heads.amp
Perhaps he does not want to jeopardize Hunter's case flow from China or maybe Hunter hopes to sell his art in China?"AND WHY THE HELL HAS BIDEN NOT RESPONDED TO CHINA"S THREAT? " - And what makes you think he hasn't? I guess bringing our allies around to oppose China after Trump did his damnedest to push Europe and China closer together, doesn't count.
Oh, and you think anyone at the G7 listened to Biden? I don't think he could be heard through all the loud laughing. We had a president that knew how to solve problems and did not look to other countries to aid us. IMO Biden is a weak non-sensical man, he always has been. He is failing so fast. He can hardly read his cheat sheets. Even when he has the name of who to call on, and his reply right in front of him, he flubs it He is comical to watch.
Oh, and you think anyone at the G7 listened to Biden? - Yet they paid
very close attention to him. I suspect they were all still laughing at Trump.
BTW, your BDS is shining brightly.
Not sure why you think anyone paid attention to Biden. He did not accomplish anything... He claimed to have told Putin there would be consequences if the Russians kept hacking for ransom. Well, I am sure you heard that Russia done did it again--- And we have an ineffective leader that can't figure out which shoe goes on which foot.
"Biden under pressure to respond to Russian hackers' claims of responsibility for ransomware attack"
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/nation … k-n1273123
Biden has one problem after another piling up... Crime, inflation, Delta virus, and China out and out threatening America, and now Russia kicking dirt in his face with their hacking, and each shaking incident has gotten bigger and more serious. Oh, forgot the mess at the border with record numbers of illegals walking into the country. And then today he comes up with the brilliant idea to combat Delta --- Time to go door to door to get people to take the vaccine. WOW --- Trump jumps on COVID brings America 3 vaccines --- Joe brings us a solution a five-year-old would think of. It is no wonder he is confused, it would be hard to keep track of all the problems he can't handle.
To quote Kenna McHugh Fellow Hubpage Author
"Similarly, no one on planet Earth really believes that a guy with no following, no actual accomplishments, no likable characteristics, a history of creepy behavior toward women and children, substantial evidence of selling his influence to foreign interests, who campaigned from his basement and of course, showing strong signs of onset dementia, actually pulled 8o+ million votes in a recent contest, the most in U.S history."
IMO Kenna summed Joe up to perfection.It is clear you have a terminal case of Biden Derangement Syndrome, BDS.
Remember, Trump left our relationship with our allies a total shambles. Biden began the repair process, which will probably take decades to accomplish. Trump totally destroyed the TRUST all the presidents before him had created with other nations of the world. Biden has put us back on the road to recovery.
One of Biden's major proposals to the group -- a global infrastructure program meant to compete with China's Belt and Road initiative -- was included in the summit's final statement.
Biden put Democracy back in front instead of autocracy that Trump played to.
"Trump jumps on COVID brings America 3 vaccines " - LOL - and then he left the stage letting people die by the thousands. Vaccines don't do anybody any good unless they are used. Trump totally failed at that. I guess you are calling Trump less than a 5-year old since he couldn't think of a way to deliver the vaccines to the People. He wouldn't even he make a constant case to his brainwashed masses to get vaccinated. I think ONCE he half-heartedly said use the vaccine. What a terrible person.
BTW, why are ALL those RINO governors letting their states become breeding grounds for the Delta variant? They are clearly failing their citizens and ought to be recalled.I note you deflected to Trump. Biden has created all his own problems, and it's clear there is no defending his job performance. He is the very worse president we have ever had. Each and every problem I offered up --- Biden created. There is no defending him, why bother.
In my opinion, Biden did nothing at the G7 and fat chance of global infrastructure" this tool can't even get an infrastructure bill done here in
America. He is a politician all hot wind, He has done nothing, and will do nothing, but pile up problems.As long as Biden promises to pay for his global infrastructure from the American pocketbook he will be cheered. As soon as it becomes clear it won't happen he will be booed to the heavens.
Very much the truth... And it is clear Biden thinks our funds to toss around the world are limitless. This man is only half there and does not belong in the White House.
"As long as Biden promises to pay for his global infrastructure from the American pocketbook he will be cheered. " - Show me where he said that. Otherwise, it is another of your famous fabrications.
"I note you deflected to Trump." - How did I "deflect" to Trump? Are you embarrassed by him?
"Biden has created all his own problems," - And exactly HOW did Biden do that? You put out words but they are based on nothing but right-wing talking points.
"He is the very worse president we have ever had. " - I know you know this, but BDS is making you say that. More unbiased minds say that Trump, Buchanan, and Andrew Johnson take the title of the worst president ever.
Crime, inflation, Delta virus, and China out and out threatening America, and now Russia kicking dirt in his face with their hacking, and each shaking incident has gotten bigger and more serious.
" Each and every problem I offered up --- Biden created. " - WHICH is pure fabrication and BDS on your part.
How did Biden "Create" Crime? Why don't you look at five years of violent rhetoric from Trump as the cause. Why don't you look at your side's insistence that anybody can buy a gun without a universal background check as part of the cause? Why don't you look at your side's hyperventilation whenever banning weapons of war comes up as part of the cause?
How did Biden "create" inflation? Well, you might have a point there since he got the economy going again, inflation is a natural by-product. I guess the solution was to stay in a recession.
How did Biden "create" the Delta variant? That is the silliest one of all. I would point the finger at Trump and the GOP as the main reason it has taken hold in America since they created the environment where so many Trump supporters refuse to get vaccinated and become breeding grounds for the spread of the Delta variant and potentially more deadly strains.
How did Biden "create" China out and out threatening us? They were doing THAT long before Biden took office.
How did Biden "create" the cyberattacks on America? Again, they and Putin were doing that all through the Trump administration and Trump did nothing to stop it. At least Biden warned Putin (which Trump flat out refused to do) that if he doesn't join the fight against these ransomware attacks, there will be consequences. And I have no doubt there will be.
"In my opinion, Biden did nothing at the G7 and fat chance of global infrastructure" " - Yes, that certainly is your opinion - but it is not grounded on any facts.
"this tool can't even get an infrastructure bill done here in
America. " - Ah, Trump-style insults, I see. In any case, that is almost demonstrably false. He has a deal. It remains to be seen if the RINOs will kill it.
The difference between Biden and Trump is that Biden can recite poems and Trump has difficulty with spelling the word Covfefe.
I am so glad you brought this subject into the light --- Because the media just does not report on the seriousness of Biden's failing cognitive abilities. or do cover his ineptness and his blatantly confusing statements. This man can't even read the cheat sheets that are provided him, meant to attempt to make him sound coherent.
Recite poems...
Really, here are a few of the sad confused moments Biden has had that media just does not cover. He shows a complete breakdown in being able to make a coherent statement. He just babbles on incoherently. He is a very confused man, and IMO he should not be let out to speak in public at this point.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aA4-Tdvej2c
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PpMAd7uXMSY"Because the media just does not report on the seriousness of Biden's failing cognitive abilities. " - THEY don't report it because there is nothing to report. Those are just BDS and right-wing talking points.
Why don't you admit your hero has serious mental problems as is evidence by his continuing to believe he won the election and will return to office next month. The man is simply delusional.
I found the way George W. spoke to be funny, but I never held it against him like you do Biden.Let me reorient you, my comment has nothing to do with Trump or Bush. It was all about pointing out my opinion that Biden is at times a very confused man. Making such a serious accusation made me realize I needed sources to back up my opinion. I provided two videos that show Biden clearly in a confused state. Youtube is a very good source both showed Biden in a live situation that was videoed. Quotes are fine, but videos are just better to prove a point. If you would like to see a few more I can certainly provide more evidence of Biden showing confusion while publicly speaking.
Videos are hard to dispute. The two I offered show him very confused. It's not funny when a president at times can't orient himself to the subject and just goes off saying non-sensical words that make no sense of any kind."It's not funny when a president at times can't orient himself to the subject and just goes off saying non-sensical words that make no sense of any kind." - AGAIN, you are talking about Trump.
I have listened to and watched Biden for decades now. And while I (and even he) admits he is prone to gaffes and has a speech impediment (which those on the Right have a great time making fun of), in no way have I ever heard or watched him do as you suggest. Trump, on the other hand, has many, many times.Trump never appeared in any respect confused. He was outspoken, transparent, but never confused. Plus this is not about Trump... So you don't believe the live videos where Biden does not seem to even know what he is talking about? Oh well, I find that pretty strange. More or less ignore the facts and they will go away... Sort of like old Joe.
Trump did not appear confused, but he was malevolent and mentally ill, infected with the delusions of grandeur found in every petty tyrant and you want to put HIM on a pedestal?
I think 45 had far greater deficits in character and temperament than Biden has ever demonstrated.Or ANY other president, for that matter, including Nixon. Now there is man who actually accomplished several great things as president before sliding into madness.
Check out my earlier forum entry as to how historian rate the last 44 presidents, you will find it interesting. But regardless of the level of scholarship of over 100 historians across the country, the Right would give more credibility to the historical opinions of truck drivers and those that sling hash.
in their world of anti-intellectualism they would claim that it was all biased.Anti-intellectualism - that reminds me of the Dark Ages when the Conservative Church took the same position.
Or ANY other president for that matter Credence, including Nixon.
I offer here the 12 traits of people who are most likely to be blind followers of tyrants. They were developed over decades of research into why otherwise intelligent Germans blindly followed Hitler:
- or otherwise intelligent Russians blindly follow Putin
- or otherwise intelligent Iranians blindly follow Khamenei
- or otherwise intelligent Venezuelans blindly follow Maduro
- or otherwise intelligent North Koreans blindly follow Un.
Fear: RWAs are afraid of many things. It can be said that many people are afraid of many different things, but RWAs carry this to the next level of irrational fear, even when there is no factual basis for it. They are afraid that Obama is a Socialist, a Communist, or will become a dictator; they are afraid of teaching secular science to our youth, they are deathly afraid the burgeoning national debt will spell the end of America; they are afraid that a single regulation on guns will lead to a total prohibition of gun ownership in America, and the list goes on. ]b\No amount of reasoning or facts[/b] will dissuade high scoring RWAs of their fears so long as their Authoritarian leaders tell them to be afraid.
Self-Righteous: If you run into someone who appears inordinately self-righteous, then you are probably observing a snob or a RWA follower. If that self-righteousness takes on a holy-than-thou or "more patriotic than thou" flavor, then most likely you have a high scoring RWA.
Dogmatism: This characteristic is a clear signal a person is likely to be a high scoring RWA, whether on the extreme Right or the extreme Left. What they are told to believe is set in stone and nothing short of a nuclear blast is going to move them from their core beliefs. All of the provable, clear, certain facts in the world will not change a high scoring RWA's mind. If, for example, Rush Limbaugh says 1 plus 1 now equals three because 1 plus 1 equals 2 is a left-wing liberal subversive plot to destroy America, the RWA will believe 1 plus 1 equals 3 and will do his or her best to twist and turn their logic and arguments to support this view.
Authoritarian Submission : This is the characteristic I just described in Milgram's experiment. If we are talking politics, however, instead of Teacher-Learner, what this means is that whatever people like Rush Limbaugh, Glen Beck, Sarah Palin, Senator Mitch McConnell, Speaker John Boehner, or Representative Bachmann from Minnesota have to say, it becomes gospel, it is simply the Truth to those who follow them. No further thought or reasoning by the listener is needed for the authority has spoken, if the listener is a high-scoring RWA. In religious terms, this might be the late Jerry Falwell, the late Jim Jones, the late Martin Luther, the Pope, any evangelical or fundamentalist preacher. RWAs will accept, without questioning its reasonableness, what is said, they will repeat it, and they will defend it.
Hostility: RWAs frequently become hostile when confronted. It is not because they are naturally mean, far from it. It has more to do with extreme frustration with their inability to logically defend their positions, which are often contradictory. Because they accept their position as gospel from their SD authoritarian leaders, they have not reasoned through why this position makes sense. So, when questioned about it, all they are left with are slogans and anger. There were many examples of this hostility at many of the Town Hall meetings held around the country leading up to the November 2010 elections.
"Biggest Problem" Syndrome: RWAs tend to focus on the Big Problem of the day, be it immigration, drugs, the liberal take-over of America, the national debt, drugs, or other such crisis conjured up by their Social Dominator leaders.
Compartmentalized Thinking: High scoring RWAs accept what they are told; lock, stock, and barrel, and file it away in their memory; this is a function of taking their lead from their Social Dominator Authoritarian leaders. Many of these positions end up being contradictory with each other or with reality, but, that is OK, because all of the ideas, since they are not processed mentally and only memorized, are not integrated in that persons thinking. Therefore, you have an individual who ends up believing they are living under an Obama/Democratic dictatorship with no rights at all while, at the same time, expressing their opinion about this by freely using their 1st Amendment rights.
Double Standards: This is included as an RWA characteristic but I am not sure why. It has been my observation that double standards in society is ubiquitous and not just isolated to one group or another.
Feeling Empowered Within Groups: Again true on the extremes, Left or Right. Because RWAs are followers of authority figures, if follows they must be conforming individuals. Because they don't think for themselves, as it relates to their chosen authority figure, they have to look toward others to let them know how they should be acting. Consequently, alone a RWA may even be timid, but with a demonstrating group, the RWA feels empowered to demonstrate vigorously alongside his fellow RWAs; high scoring RWAs feel most comfortable with groups where they get support and validation.
Prejudice: Most RWAs honestly do not believe they are prejudiced when, in truth, their actions and speech clearly show they are. Why? Because this type of personality does not believe all people in the world should be equal. Inequality is a natural state of affairs to a high scoring RWA. [/b]They sincerely believe that equality is not good for society.[/b] This simply makes sense to them and doesn't derive from meanness, e.g., the women being "bare-foot and pregnant" syndrome (meaning women should be subservient to the man). There is still a significant portion of American society, mainly fundamentalist Christians, both men and women, who still believe this, because the most authoritarian figure of all says so - God, Himself. They don't see a problem because they believe this is simply the "natural" order of the universe. much the same way that Aristotle believed, and argued for, the idea of "natural" masters and "natural" slaves. (Slavery, in his time didn't have quite the same connotation as it does in our time; for one thing, it wasn't race based.) This view becomes a basis for their politics.
Ethnocentrism: This is a characteristic in all people, but it becomes more pronounced as you move to either extreme, Left or Right. It is more prominent, however, with RWAs, again Left or Right. There has to be a "Them vs Us" paradigm in order to validate what they believe. They rarely go beyond their circle of believers to receive information while characterizing others as very biased, e.g., the left-wing or liberal mainstream media.
A Lack of Critical Thinking: This characteristic is central to the RWA type, for if a person exhibited critical thinking regarding what they were being told, regardless of source, then they would less likely be blind followers of Authority figures. One of the most stark exemplars of this is that most Tea Parteyers, who are middle class, absolutely believe their taxes have been raised under President Obama when, in fact, they have been noticeably reduced. The only reason for this unreasonable belief is their total, unthinking reliance on what they are told by their SD leaders. If the "Teachers" in Milgram's experiment had really thought about the implications of what they were doing, most would not have kept increasing the voltage when told to by the scientist. This is also where frustration can build when confronted about opposing positions such as asking an RWA how, in one breath, they can say "America is the best country in the world" but yet in the next breath say "Obama is now a dictator".
Just sayin'Interesting, Is RWA meaning Right-wing authoritarianism? On that line an interesting article is Right-wing Authoritarianism, Left-wing Authoritarianism, and pandemic-mitigation authoritarianism. As seen it explores them both as it relates to the current pandemic. The first sentence in the conclusion is "LWA holds considerable promise as an explanatory construct in political psychology".
You have said a mouthful
The Right does have affinity for authority figures, look at how many mainstream Republicans define their party as who is demonstrating the greatest loyalty to Trump? I confess, I have not seen this phenomenon in American politics before. The one man they pick to follow has nothing to promote him.
Instead of stepping aside, he is still stirring the pot. And if you asked me, either Al Gore or Hillary Clinton had a better basis to complain about the outcome of their respective races. Now, I look back on Nixon and his shenanigans during the worst period of the Watergate Era, yet when compared with Donald Trump, I consider those "the good old days".
Rightwingers are naturally fearful and insecure, and constitutes the "weak link" within any democratically based society.
Decorum and peace within our forums prevents me from speaking about the real causes of all the insecurity from the other side.
So, what is left wing authoritarian? I have yet to see the Left behave in the same way. We had our heyday during the 1960s but I have never seen the kinds of threats from them that the Right presents today.The Left does have its issues with RWA. I think the best example is one of the reasons Clinton lost was Bernie voters couldn't let go of their man. So they chose not to vote or to actually vote for Trump because they hated Clinton so much.
In my study, it broke out like this from those who took the test:
21% if those who self-identified as being the Right scored above 50%
5% of those who self-identified as Independent scored above 50% (but the sample is small)
3% of those who self-identified as Left scored above 50%
So yes, it does skew to the right, but they aren't alone.
In Composite terms (n=286), it came out this way:
Between 75 - 100% - 4%
Between 50 - 74% - 5%
Between 25 - 49% - 13%
Between 0 - 24% - 78%
I'll let you draw your own conclusions of how that reflects reality.
BTW, the 1st one looked very much like a teleprompter issue, and the second one, edited as it was, was pretty funny. But since it didn't show his whole speech, no conclusion can be drawn from it.
Not really funny... I offered two sources that clearly show just how confused Biden can be at times. perhaps this is not a serious problem for you. It is for me. Funny how you can get so concerned over maybe, and if comes, but not over a video that clearly shows the President is not able to make a cohearent sentence.
Which I suspect was doctored like many are. As I said, BDS.
No these same videos can be found on CSpan and other news outlets. Plus, in articles where he was quoted. Not doctored at all. Maybe you just have an aversion to believing Biden is confused and cognitively unsound. It's not really such a secret, some just choose not to address it as a problem. LOL
HERE IS another thing Biden has failed on ... And his party brought about with their flowery demand to defund the police! JUST ANOTHER HISTORIC RECORD UNDER OLD JOE...
"Bloody July Fourth weekend leaves 150 fatally shot in more than 400 shootings nationwide"
"A bloody Fourth of July weekend ended with at least 150 people killed in more than 400 shootings that occurred across the country, according to data compiled throughout the weekend.
In New York City, at least 26 people were shot from Friday through Sunday, with at least two of the incidents resulting in deaths.
In Chicago, 100 people were struck by gunfire resulting in 18 deaths since Friday night, according to Chicago police. In nearly all of the cases, no suspects were taken into custody as detectives continue to investigate the incidents. 69 of the more than 450 nationwide shootings occurred in Chicago alone." https://www.foxnews.com/us/july-fourth- … -violence.
So many problems to ignore, one would think old Joe would at least pick one and try to solve it... But Joe prefers to just say --- There is no problem to see here... This president and his administration is ruining the country.
" And his party brought about with their flowery demand to defund the police! " - THAT, of course, is a ridiculously false statement to make.. The only Democrats who believe such a thing are as far Left as the RINOs, like McCarthy who is pushing the Big Lie, which is much worse than the stupid "defund the police" slogan, is far-Right.
""Bloody July Fourth weekend leaves 150 fatally shot in more than 400 shootings nationwide"" - IT WAS actually worse than that. But don't look to Biden or Democrats for that. Instead, turn your attention to those who don't want background checks when someone acquires a gun. Or how about those who prevent the CDC from studying gun violence. Or how about those who prevent the ATF from tracking guns used in crimes. Why don't you focus on them instead?
Biden is solving the pandemic.
-Biden is repairing the broken relations with our allies to help fight against Trump's friend Putin and China and Iran - you know, unimportant national security things.
Biden is very close to securing a bipartisan infrastructure deal.(assuming the far-Left doesn't blow it up.)
Biden followed most economists advice and provided stimulus to a nation in recession.
And whole host of other things too numerous to mention.
BTW, how can Biden ruin a country that Trump has already ruined?
That is quite a bit in 100 days - a whole lot more than Trump ever did.
Finally, justice by a man with a real heart and empathy for those ripped off On the other hand, the previous administration sided with the crooks and kept these students in misery and fear..
https://www.cnn.com/2021/07/09/politics … index.htmlAnother case where Biden is borrowing a victory from a previous president. He is not capable of solving problems. But very good at taking credit for what others have done. He is stagnant, and not addressing America's problems... he is one scary guy.
"Seventy-two thousand student loan borrowers could breathe a sigh of relief Thursday after the Department of Education announced they will have the entirety of their debt forgiven.
The move only applies to borrowers whose claims have already been approved under something called borrower defense to repayment, a federal law that allows students to have their loans canceled if they attended a school that closed suddenly or was proven to take part in illegal or deceptive practices, such as ITT Technical Institute or Corinthian Colleges. The law was ENACTED by the OBAMA administration in 2016."
https://fortune.com/2021/03/18/student- … ity-loans/
SAVE YOUR CREDIT FOR WHERE IT"S DUE."The law was ENACTED by the OBAMA administration in 2016." - AND TRUMP KILLED IT! as he does everything he touches including our democracy
WOW! America thinks Biden is doing an outstanding job with beating the pandemic.
Given that 40% of Americans Hate Biden, because he is not Trump, it is very good when he can score above 60% on any poll as he does with the one on Coronavirus. And Biden has consistently averaged above 60% since mid-March.
Trump, on the other hand, did MUCH worse. At his best, in March 2020, he barely broke 50%, but it plummeted from there. He hit a low of 38% in July 2020. Most of the time was spent between 40 - 42%, [i]even when a vaccine from OWS was announced. WHY do Americans think he did such a crappy job while Trump supporters keep flouting non-existent accomplishments?
https://www.realclearpolitics.com/epoll … -7323.html
https://www.realclearpolitics.com/epoll … -7088.htmlBiden did nothing in regards to COVID. As he did nothing in regard to forgiving student loans --- As COVID was Trump's victory --- the student forgiveness of student loans was Obama's victory. Biden continues to do nothing but try to steal other former president's victories.
The country has real problems, the above two problems were solved by other presidents... Biden won't face problems, he is confused and inept.
"Seventy-two thousand student loan borrowers could breathe a sigh of relief Thursday after the Department of Education announced they will have the entirety of their debt forgiven.
The move only applies to borrowers whose claims have already been approved under something called borrower defense to repayment, a federal law that allows students to have their loans canceled if they attended a school that closed suddenly or was proven to take part in illegal or deceptive practices, such as ITT Technical Institute or Corinthian Colleges. The law was ENACTED by the OBAMA administration in 2016."
https://fortune.com/2021/03/18/student- … ity-loans/"As COVID was Trump's victory " - Trump made it so much worse than it needed to be. One day you will come to understand that. Also, given that the poll numbers exceed more than 60%, there are plenty of people on your side who give Biden the credit he deserves. Your BDS apparently stops you from doing so.
"the student forgiveness of student loans was Obama's victory." - Of course we are talking about those who were ripped off by for-profit colleges and not student loans in general. In any case, it WOULD have been Obama's thing IF Trump hadn't killed it. It took Biden to pick up the pieces and put it back together again.
I know conservatives just hate to see Americans happy, but it is true, since Biden was elected, more and more Americans report they are happy.
Gallup's Life Rating poll started in 2008. After Obama saved America from a Depression, the index varied between 51.2 and 54.4 in his first 4 years as America was recovering. After hitting a low of 50.3 because of the Republican gov't shut down, Obama's next four years stayed around 55.
This is where Trump started out and briefly hit 57.3 in Sep 2017. It then fell to around 54 for the next few years before plummeting to the mid-40s beginning in 2020.
The index jumped to 51.2 when Biden was inaugurated and then skyrocketed to a record high of 59.2!!. There is a reason for that - people are happy with the job Biden is doing
73% of people said they experienced enjoyment for a lot of the previous day.
https://www.cnn.com/2021/07/11/politics … index.html
https://news.gallup.com/poll/351932/ame … -high.aspxYep, the TRUTH wins out - again.
I just read that Tucker Carlson, that purveyor of conspiracy theories, is furious with Fox management because they are giving short-shrift to his NSA is spying on my myth. Even Fox can stomach only so much lying from their people.
Speaking of Polls - in a rare instance of truth telling, Trump said this at CPAC - "If it's bad, I say it's fake. If it's good, I say that's the most accurate poll ever."
If you want to talk about speeches--- Today old Joe compared the Republicans changing their voting laws to be worse than the civil war. This is strictly my opinion --- I find him becoming more and more confused each time he speaks. At this point, he needs to be removed. from office. I shutter when I see he is out talking in any capacity.
Why didn't you say that about Trump who is much, much, much worse?
"Today old Joe compared the Republicans changing their voting laws to be worse than the civil war." - I don't think that is your opinion at all. I think it is from something you saw which had been edited to lie about what Biden actually said.
What he said - truthfully - was that We're are facing the most significant test of our democracy since the Civil War. That's not hyperbole. Since the Civil War. The Confederates back then [b]never breached the Capitol as insurrectionists did on January the 6th.[/b] I hope you now understand how you were fooled into believing something that wasn't real.
I also don't understand why you would applaud things like:
We will be asking my Republican friends -- in Congress, in states, in cities, in counties -- to stand up, for God's sake, and help prevent this concerted effort to undermine our elections and the sacred right to vote.
OR
Vice President Harris and I will be making it clear that there's real peril in making raw power, rather than the idea of liberty, the centerpiece of the common life.
The Founders understood this. The women of Seneca Falls understood this. The brave, heroic foot soldiers of the Civil Rights Movement understood this. So must we.
OR
This isn't about Democrats and Republicans; it's literally about who we are as Americans. It's that basic. It's about the kind of country we want today, the kind of country we want for our children and grandchildren tomorrow. And quite frankly, the whole world is watching. Folks
When have you ever heard Trump being so presidential? I'll tell you - never.If you define presidential as purposely attempting to tear the country apart with false and inflammatory claims then, sure. Biden’s real presidential.
And Biden is using race to do it --- despicable.
I believe he’s what he calls a lying dog faced pony soldier
Yes, It would seem Joe just maybe a lying dog-faced pony soldier...
BDS BS! Neither of you have any credibility at all - you wasted it all in your devotion to a one-term, twice-impeached, disgraced president who led an insurrection against his own country and is a racist, misogynist, hate-monger, inept liar who is under investigation for multiple crimes.
Biden was accused of rape of a woman that worked in his office.
https://www.npr.org/2020/04/29/84784076 … allegation
https://www.businessinsider.com/joe-bid … ign-2019-6
Racist yeah that too... https://www.heritage.org/progressivism/ … st-remarks
misogynist --- No he is not a misogynist, he loves to touch women and smell their hair. Very strange habit...
Liar, He lies constantly just to hear himself lie.
This lie I find very sickening --- He lied about his wife's death for many years. https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/biden … nk-driver/
Feb. 17, 2020, Biden while campaigning at an event in Las Vegas, Nevada Joe Biden, claims he was “arrested” in South Africa visiting Nelson Mandela. Fact Checkers found this statement untrue.
Then there was Bidens crazy lie about the Amtrak conductor ---
https://nypost.com/2021/05/06/amtrak-jo … -question/
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/biden- … lion-miles
Joe Biden's Claim of Having Attended Historically Black College Refuted by School ( I think this lie was just due to being very confused)
https://www.lawenforcementtoday.com/joe … he-school/
https://thefederalist.com/2021/06/24/he … art-sixty/
Then there are all the investigations into his son Hunter.
I certainly was referring to Biden.Thanks for reminding me, I left one of Trump's list that you admire so much - he is a serial molester. What are we up to, 16 women accuse him of that? (Of course they are all liars and love to be embarrassed by talking about it.) Your SINGLE example of Biden's sexual misconduct has largely been debunked. https://www.politico.com/news/2020/05/1 … ces-260771
Biden racism - Your source is the hard Right Heritage Foundation. My source are millions of Blacks who voted for him and disagree with you and Heritage.
Arrest - Yes, I guess you caught Biden embellishing a story about getting arrested. It turns out he was detained. - But here is the difference between Trump's 10,000+ lies and this - Biden admitted he wasn't arrested. Trump is still lying about winning the 2020 election (or where his father was born, lol) - https://www.factcheck.org/2020/03/biden … th-africa/
Conductor - I guess you found one that will stick about an inconsequential thing. So find another 10,000 about consequential things if you want to compare with Trump. Until then, I will snicker at your failed attempts to paint a good man in a bad light. If you want some help, I can offer a few more statements by Biden that fall in my category of lying. But is he a serial liar like Trump? Not even close.
And what about the investigations in Ivanka, Trump Jr., Erick Trump, Trump himself, Trump's organization? All you can come up with is Hunter? Give me a break.
Historically Black College - you should really do your research before posting a lie from a hard Right source. Biden never said he attended one. https://www.reuters.com/article/uk-fact … SKBN26L2RD
LOL, even your own source contradicts you about his wife's death.
No definitive evidence exists to prove or rule out whether the other driver had been drinking, and belief that drinking had contributed to the crash was reportedly prevalent among the local community and not something Biden simply made up on his own.
Bottom Line - More BDS BS!You are welcome, but let me also remind you Trump is not president at this point. So it seems odd you ignore all the daily news in regards to all the problems that are happnenu\\ing tioday. We at this point have a very confused man in the White House that is most likely being "handled by who knows who?
It's actually hard to keep up with all the problems that Biden is causing hinself, not to mention handling the problems that are occurring due to his lack of leadership. One good thing his polls show is that citizens are responding, each day his poll numbers are falling today he fell another point to 48 approval. Source
My sources are solid in my last comment. Most of Joe's lies are very provable due to youtube. Nothing more factual than words right out of his mouth. It's clear he is slipping quickly into senility.
"Thursday, July 15, 2021
The Rasmussen Reports daily Presidential Tracking Poll, sponsored by The ANTIFA by Jack Posobiec, for Thursday shows that 48% of Likely U.S. Voters approve of President Biden’s job performance. Fifty percent (50%) disapprove.
The latest figures include 29% who Strongly Approve of the job Biden is doing and 41% who Strongly Disapprove.givehttps://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/political_updates/prez_track_july15s him a Presidential Approval Index rating of -12.
I see you are talking about Trump, not Biden.
Nope. My jaw constantly drops every time lying Joe opens his mouth. He seems hell bent on demonizing a large percentage of the population. His biggest lie to date? Claiming he is a unifier. The left has become so unhinged in their refusal to see any side of an issue but their own has caused the entirety of the left to think their lack of reason is some type of a virtue.
His statement in regard to states changing their voting laws --- "The assault on free and fair elections is just such a threat, literally. I’ve said it before: We’re are facing the most significant test of our democracy since the Civil War. That’s not hyperbole. Since the Civil War. The Confederates back then never breached the Capitol as insurrectionists did on January the 6th.
I’m not saying this to alarm you; I’m saying this because you should be alarmed. "
He was seeking to divide not only in regard to a political party but race. he race-baits frequintly.
Source for quote White House Transcript --- https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefing-roo … t-to-vote/
As a citizen, I find this form of hyperbolic statement dangerous, and unnecessary. These forms of statements do not unify they only make the divide deeper and inside anger. I would like to see Biden removed from office due to his failing cognitive state, and very apparent inability to handle his job.
"Today old Joe compared the Republicans changing their voting laws to be worse than the civil war." - I don't think that is your opinion at all. I think it is from something you saw which had been edited to lie about what Biden actually said. "
This is so ridiculous it is hard to even respond. The fact is Biden has been in Washington for over 55 years. He has not found it necessary to go after voting laws in all those years. The voting laws in Delaware, and New York, and more do not come close to comparing with the voter opportunity of the New laws in Georgia. Delaware has never used dropboxes prior to COVID One must use a valid ID. And they do not mail out mail-in ballots unless one applies for absentee voting. And one must have a valid reason to do so and prove how they are with the appropriate ID. So, I suggest you take your complaints about these discriminatory laws to the Department Of Justice. Perhaps Garland could bring a whopping lawsuit against most of the Blue states actually for making it hard to vote for all.
MAIL-IN VOTING OTHER THAN ABSETTE IS NOT ALLOWED. Delaware does send out unsolicited mail-in ballots as the Dems hope to push. https://www.vote411.org/delaware
Source for Delawares rules and laws on voting --- https://elections.delaware.gov/information/law.shtmlWhy the change in voting laws? It's not because of fraud. It's because a pathological liar claimed he could only lose by fraud and his supporters are more than willing to live in whatever reality he describes to them.
He also made this claim in 2016, saying the only reason he lost the popular vote was because of fraud. He even formed a commission with Kris Kobach, a notorious voter suppressionist, at the helm. The result was that they discovered very few instances of fraud at all, proving that Trump had been lying about any fraud having taken place in the 2016 election. Did any of his supporters learn the lesson that he had lied to them, or that he had lied about fraud? Of course not.
The real reason for the changes are that the people who lost couldn't understand that 80 million people had zero faith in their candidate to manage the United States in a crisis. That some 400,000 American deaths can be linked to his mismanagement, according to studies comparing the US's response to similar 1st world countries. That people found it unacceptable when it was confirmed that his campaign manager did in fact collude with members of Russian Intelligence in 2016 to swing the election and that Trump had been lying about there not being collusion the entire time. And that Mueller had laid out 10 instances where Trump Obstructed Justice during that investigation into something he had been lying about.
It's also about the fact that providing access to people hurts the party with the fewest registered voters of the three major groups (independents-44%, Democrats-30%, Republicans-24%). And that trying to restrict access in large cities, where democratic strongholds exist, is a necessity for GOP success.
And states that make laws allowing the vote to be set aside and have their legislatures determine the result instead, as Arizona proposed, is no longer a democracy.
We've heard the term 'irregularities' bandied about. Well, yeah, this election was going to be irregular. It's one of the few to be conducted during a global pandemic when millions were out of work and had more flexibility to exercise their constitutional rights. Irregular is a given.
Expanded voting opportunity in order to keep people safe resulted in record turnout of people exercising their rights. That so many people got involved, and involved with few cases of fraud, is something to celebrate. Unless you are the minority party and are fielding the candidate who never broke 50% approval during his term - a first among US Presidents.
But instead of learning the lesson that governing for all Americans and not just those in your base will be a recipe for disaster, the GOP is changing laws that will affect the ability of some Americans to exercise their constitutional rights - based on the 'big lie' that there was actually fraud in 2020.
If you think laws should be changed based on lies, then that's a huge issue.
And let's start the poll. How many days until my next ban?yeah ... So after all that bla bla bla --- Should Garland bring a lawsuit against Delaware for their very discriminatory voter laws? You know the subject I was discussing. Yes or no will do --- lol
Why should he, since Delaware's very Democratic legislature is looking to pass laws to make it easier for people to vote without being pressed?
Let's simplify all that blah, blah blah. Do you realize Trump lied to you about fraud back in 2016?Yes they do, but it is too embarrassing to admit it. So they deflect and throw out lots of insults.
Why should he??? Delaware is passing laws to make it easier to vote while Georgia is making it harder, like they have done so many times in the past 150 years.
I have found no evidence that any blue state has made claimed that they will be changing their voting laws. Offer a source to your claim. And Georgia has added drop boxes to the new bill. Delaware did not prior to COVID use drop boxes, and at this point have not added any amendment to keep drop boxes. for further elections.
I am leaving the voter BS conversation. So, much going on that has caught my attention. This voter suppression thing was a smokescreen to divert some from some really horrific problems. Sorry moving on. plus we have beaten his conversation to death. We disagree with Georgia's new laws. One last thought --- Garland will lose in the SC Georgias laws are very respectful to all citizens. In fact, Michigan looks to be adopting most of those laws."I have found no evidence that any blue state has made claimed that they will be changing their voting laws. " - which means you igoned what I gave you in the other forum. I will repeat it here with the note that Delaware has now passed a few of the laws in the article.
https://www.delawareonline.com/story/ne … 818801001/
Virginia is another Blue state making it easier to vote - https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions … ng-easier/
Connecticut is doing the same - https://www.stamfordadvocate.com/opinio … 092993.php
So is New York - https://www.governor.ny.gov/news/govern … oting-laws
Are you getting the picture or do I need to provide more evidence?
The point is Blue states are making it easier to vote while Red states are making it harder - FOR NO REASON.
I think the Michigan governor has promised to veto those restrictive voting laws.
Respectful, lol - how is making using ballot boxes mute and useless being "respectful"You're right - blue states are making it easier, but it is for a very good reason. It is to ensure that people ineligible to vote can do so, and as the large majority vote Democrat it is to the benefit of the Democrat party to encourage illegal voting in that manner.
Now. Pay attention, for the exact same reasoning is being used on red states that take pains to ensure only legal votes are counted. The assumption (assumption, not fact) is that they will pick up more votes relative to democrat votes, but there is nothing to support that assumption. No one has checked, for instance, that black people (most of whom vote blue) won't vote without food and water delivered to them...but the assumption is that they won't. Identical reasoning."It is to ensure that people ineligible to vote can do so, " - It is amazing how you can lie with such a straight face. The whole comment is fraught with disinformation and paranoia.
I thought the same thing. I'm surprised you entertained such delusion with a response.
At the same time it is amazing how you can misinterpret posts. This one is very clearly labeled as using the exact same faulty reasoning process to produce a false conclusion as the one used to produce the idea that Republicans only want to disenfranchise voters. And yet you somehow ignore that and assume it is meant as factual.
Faulty? Where on Earth would we ever get our conclusion from, one you claim to be false...hmmm...let's see...
“They had things, levels of voting that if you’d ever agreed to it, you’d never have a Republican elected in this country again.”
Donald J. Trump in referring to Democratic voting proposals.
March 2020
But the good news seems to be that Trump is doing just as much damage in discouraging his own voters from showing up to the voting booth.
https://www.ajc.com/politics/turnout-di … 7ZXXOROIA/
And Mitch McConnell disagrees with making election day a federal holiday since it would be a Democratic 'power grab.' He's clearly afraid that most federal employees tend to vote for Democrats.
https://www.vox.com/2019/1/30/18203936/ … al-holiday"Your" conclusion, if you fit within the Democrat claims, appears to be that if a reasonable level of voting security is implemented it is because Republicans wish to disenfranchise Democrat votes. It means that if even minimal effort is required to vote that Republicans are keeping Democrats from voting. Am I wrong here, given that "your" level of security is far under that that the Republicans find prudent?
This is the faulty reasoning I discussed: when the opposition does not agree with you, it means they are trying to do vile things in an intentional effort to hurt others (such as disenfranchise their vote).Not my conclusion, the conclusion that both Trump and McConnell have publicly stated as the reasons for being against expanded voter access. Not fraud mind you, as Trump's commission could not find any in 2017 after he claimed that as a reason for losing the popular vote.
With current levels of security and penalties for breaking election law, the amount of fraud is already minimal. Just because Republicans have a faulty perception that more security is needed, does not make it so, based on the data about current fraud.
What that data does say is that these laws will limit voter turnout for a variety of reasons. So if the only achievement is to limit the exercising of the rights of Americans, then resisting those changes is definitely not faulty.But you cannot "expand voter access", not when every single (legal) voter in the country already has access. Your demand is, instead, that it require no effort and that indeed people need paid to vote via paid time off, free food and water, etc. And if Republicans drag their feet the conclusion is that they are disenfranchising people from voting.
That is the point I'm making, for such a conclusion is far out of line with reality. There is a disagreement between D's and R's on what is reasonable for security, and both exclaim that the other side has evil on their mind in pursuing their goals for reasonable security. And that is faulty reasoning.We will disagree that every single (legal) voter has access. Some have restrictions based on jobs or transportation that things like 24-hour voting and more access to secure drop boxes (how many drop boxes were used for fraud in the last election by the way that required them to be limited going forward?) allows them to overcome those challenges. Again, your statement ignores the listed reasons why many Americans are not able to cast their vote in each election.
Time off may be seen as payment to you only because it was resisted by your party. I would see it as opportunity. No one is telling any of those voters who to vote for, just that they will have greater access to be able to cast your vote.
What kind of security does preventing a federal voting holiday increase by the way? I'd like to hear the case for how that increased voter security and why it needs opposition?
And yes, there is disagreement about the level of election security because one party cannot accept statistics on the amount of fraud or when every government agency tells them this was a secure election. Instead, they take the word of the guy who lied to them in 2016 about fraud being why he lost the popular vote, formed a commission with Kris Kobach, and then was proven to be lying when Kobach discovered very little fraud at all. Realizing you have been lied to on a subject, then choosing to believe the very same lie four years later seems rather moronic to many Americans who still support the processes by which we elect leaders.Am I mistaken in thinking that every state has a mail in ballot program? That's access, even to your hypothetical person that has no transportation, cannot walk, or has a 24-7 job.
Of course paid time off is an opportunity! Any time you can be paid for sitting at home it is an opportunity. But being paid to vote does not increase access; it just brings in money. Whether the person votes or not (will I, as a retired person, also be paid to vote or will I just have to pay others?) they will be paid for staying home.
While it is a liberal dream to simply pay everyone for being alive, the country cannot afford their grandiose plans, which is why it is opposed. A waste of money that accomplishes nothing. Personally, I'd like to see how paying someone to vote will increase their access.". . . dream to simply pay everyone for being alive"
And that is where we are now as a society—money fixes everything. It's a cop-out and everyone knows it.
GAHowever, does money not buy votes and a type of almost blind loyalty?
I think Yang would disagree with you, that is why is for a minimum wage that takes care of everybody's basic needs to health, food, and housing. (I am still undecided on this although it seems to working in some countries.).
Finland apperantly ran to two-year study of Universal Basic Income and came to this conclusion: The world’s most robust study of universal basic income has concluded that it boosts recipients’ mental and financial well-being, as well as modestly improving employment.
https://www.newscientist.com/article/22 … z70pBBSdL9
Having a program, and not seeing the challenges that a group such Native Americans will have in access to that program shows your own naivete.
Your paid to vote claim is ridiculous. Are you paid to celebrate Christmas or are you just given the time off? Paid to celebrate July 4th or can you just enjoy the day doing nothing? What it gives people is the opportunity to vote because it gives time, not money. I guess when you are retired and have so much free time, you might have forgotten how travel to work, time spent at work and travel time home can take up ten hours of a day.
Your perception of a liberal dream is comical as most liberal plans have a means of funding based in reality. Unlike tax cuts done with the promise that some mythical growth would pay for them in the future, which of course did not happen, and led to a $7.8 trillion increase in the national debt during the past four years. Bush's tax cuts combined with a war - yeah, the conservative dreams definitely don't know anything about budgeting.
And I noticed you dodged my question about how much fraud was done using drop boxes. If there was no fraud, why limit the numbers? Saying there could be fraud would be like saying if someone owned a gun, they could commit murder, so we need to take away their guns. Does that really seem like an argument the GOP wants to start making?"Your perception of a liberal dream is comical as most liberal plans have a means of funding based in reality. "
LOL The mantra is, forever, "We'll tax the rich to fund it!", followed by taxing the middle class. You know this as well as I do - who do you think is going to pay for that time off, if not the "rich" (companies and corporations, who will then raise prices and "tax" their customers)? With 150,000,000 employees in the country, and working 8 hour days at $15 (guesses and estimates), that's a neat 2B per year cost increase to the country...to make it easier to vote for the 10 people in the country with no postal service.
Why put security cameras and guards in banks that have never been robbed? Why have TSA as 911 has never repeated? This is the typical thinking of Democrats and why I disagree with the "no security" needed concept.
But I will take notice that the gun argument is exactly what D's propose with their gun controls.The mantra is we'll tax the rich and corporations at levels that they used to be taxed at when the country was prosperous. The rate only dropped to these levels since Reagan.
I do enjoy when you assume what I believe, only to be ridiculously incorrect.
You say that is a cost increase. Those people were already working that day so they were being paid. Hence, with federal employees, there is no change in cost.
Again, I will ask. How many issues have there been with drop boxes that has led to fraud? Banks have been robbed, 9/11 happened. Certainly then you have the data to support added limitations to drop boxes based on fraud.
D's are taking the same argument to guns as R's are taking to those deadly drop boxes. Difference is that D's have stats about how many gun deaths exist. R's have no proof or data to back up their argument about drop box fraud. Just the lies of a guy who lost."The mantra is, forever, "We'll tax the rich to fund it!"" - WRONG again. The mantra is "Let the rich pay their fair share".and many very wealthy people agree with that sentiment.
He will never answer you on that because he knows the truth will destroy his position - so he keeps deflecting.
Seven states are effectively "all-mail-in voting" states: Colorado, Hawaii, Nevada, Oregon, Utah, Vermont, and Washington. The rest have restrictions to one degree or another.
"But being paid to vote does not increase access; " - OF course it does, to some degree. Also the way your phrase it "paid to vote" is disingenuous. That means there is some sort of contract that if you don't vote, you are breaking it and would be subject to punishment.
You are deflecting again. The issue isn't giving voters more access, it is that RINOs are taking away access.
That said, some states do need to make it easier to vote - and they are doing that in New York, Delaware, and Virginia to name a few. Others don't need to do anything, as you suggest, such as California.
"There is a disagreement between D's and R's on what is reasonable for security, " - NO there isn't. There is disagreement with brainwashed Trump supporters and everybody else. There is no disagreement between rational Republicans and Democrats. The faulty reasoning is thinking there is serious disagreement between clear-eyed Republicans and Democrats.
Your logic error with "appears to be that if a reasonable level of voting security is implemented " is that you assume voting security was not already reasonable. The FACT is everybody that is not a brainwashed Trump supporter said the elections were plenty secure and didn't need any improvement.
Since it is a fact that no improvement was needed, putting more restrictive laws in place in ONLY Republican states can have ONLY ONE purpose - to stop a repeat of all those Democrats going to the polls.
Actually, while that may be the impression, that Feds vote Democratic, it is not really true. Several studies have shown that the federal workforce (save for law enforcement) is pretty will split down the middle. Law enforcement, on the other hand, has a decidedly rightward tilt. (That said, I bet there are a few hundred Capital police who have switched parties.) I worked in the Dept of Defense for 20 some years and most of the people I knew leaned Republican. I did myself back in the 1980s.
This will give you some idea of the demographics. https://www.govexec.com/oversight/2015/ … nk/119138/
Factually many of the blue states have far more complicated rules than the red state's new proposed laws. This is simply another media bit of feed to keep "them" over there instead of over here --- seeing all the BS that is going on in the country. sorry, this is the most ridiculous bit of crap that the Dems have fed up in a while. It's unbelievable how twisted a mind can get.
And now that those blue states have seen how the covid precautions led to a significant increase in voter participation, they are putting forth laws to continue that access while the GOP is trying to stop the passage of those bills.
So, in essence, they are trying to prevent the additional voters that were able to access the polls from being able to vote in future elections. That is one party trying to stymie the Constitutional rights of Americans.
I will ask again, how much fraud occurred in drop boxes? Drive through voting? 24-hour voting? Making laws to restrict those things with zero proof that fraud took place is suppression, pure and simple.
You already were provided a link to Delaware. Here is New York's:
https://gothamist.com/news/new-york-poi … press-themNice to see New York following in the footsteps. of Georgia and Texas.
I have no idea how much fraud may have occurred by the states using drop boxes. I see Georgia and Texas did not use dropboxes prior to COVID, and now have added them to their new laws. Many states most likely will add the use of dropboxes to their voting laws.
I have not found anything on Delaware proposing new voting laws as of yet. They have very strict rules as is.
I don't agree that any of the states have overly punitive voting laws.
I feel this is all a political ploy to keep liberals busy from realizing all the current problems the Democratic administration is having. Liberals are very easily taken off the scent of a true problem, with a lesser problem that is actually a non-problem
Sorry, I see no problem whatsoever with our voting laws in this country."Nice to see New York following in the footsteps. of Georgia and Texas." - WRONG again. New York is travelling in the opposite direction. New York is making it easier to vote while Georgia and Texas are making it harder to vote
Delaware - I provided you the links. Let me do it again. https://www.delawareonline.com/story/ne … 818801001/
Some of those laws have been passed since that article was written.
"I don't agree that any of the states have overly punitive voting laws." - INTERESTING - so you don't think Texas limiting Harris County, which is larger than one or two states, to ONE BALLOT BOX is not punitive. Try justifying that.
Or sticking with ballot boxes - Georgia has 1) reduced their number, especially in Democratic areas, and made their hours of operation and locations such that they are basically useless. Justify that if you can.
IF you "see not problem with this country's voting laws" why do you defend states making voting more restricted? Doesn't make sense.Here is what I said --- Sorry, I see no problem whatsoever with our voting laws in this country. I will add, voting laws we have been using prior to 2020, and any laws that have been changed after.
"... and any laws that have been changed after." - Which, in the Red states, demonstrably make it harder to vote. Are you saying you "see no problem whatsoever" with that? Interesting.
And now that those blue states have seen how the covid precautions led to a significant increase in voter participation, they are putting forth laws to continue that access while the GOP is trying to stop the passage of those bills.
AND THAT is the central question. Why are Republicans trying to make it harder to vote?
"Factually many of the blue states have far more complicated rules than the red state's new proposed laws." - that may be true, but it is deflecting.
The question is what is the motivation for ONLY Republican states to limit voting access in 2022? It can't be fraud or election security because all clear-eyed people including lots of Republicans, agree the 2020 election had the least fraud ever.
So, it it isn't fraud, what else would drive Republicans to try to reducing the number of people voting?
All the media is doing is reporting what is happening, which is their job.
All one as to do is be observant. Everybody but brainwashed Trump supporters said the election was basically fraud-free - the best election ever many say.
So, logic dictates that no new laws were needed except those that expanded access to voting where it was restricted before. Wouldn't you agree?
So, if there was no need for laws that restricted voting yet that is exactly what Republican (and only Republican) states did - passed dozens of needless laws that make voting harder.
Since given 1) they wouldn't purposefully make it harder for Republican voters and 2) there was no fraud-based reason to suppress the vote, the ONLY option left is they are trying to make it harder for Democrats to vote.
Where is that logic faulty?
Everything you said above is VERY TRUE and UNDENIABLE.
""Today old Joe compared the Republicans changing their voting laws to be worse than the civil war." -" - I Simply cannot understand why a person would continue to repeat lies like that if they are not brainwashed. It just doesn't make sense.
"MAIL-IN VOTING OTHER THAN ABSETTE IS NOT ALLOWED." - Actually, that is a lie as well. Delawarians can vote by mail based on a new law passed in July 1, 2020. That is why the RINOs in Delaware brought a suit to STOP mail-in balloting? Very anti-democratic of them don't you think?
" Delaware has never used dropboxes prior to COVID" - But yet they did (like GA) for 2020. But unlike GA, they aren't putting restrictions on their use keeping it easy to vote in 2022. GA, on the other hand, is restricting the use of drop boxes making it much harder to vote.
How much drop box fraud was there, by the way? What statistics necessitate making the changes? Anyone...Buehler...Buehler.
No fraud is needed. It made it easier for people to vote which RINOs see has a losing proposition. Consequently, they limit there use.
"MAIL-IN VOTING OTHER THAN ABSETTE IS NOT ALLOWED." - WHY AREN"T you talking about all of the laws Delaware is passing to make it easier to vote in that state? RINOs are trying very hard to stop this from happening, but Democrats don't need their votes to pass these great laws. Why aren't you taking the RINO's to task for trying to stop making it easier to vote.
BTW - Unlike Georgia and all of the other southern states, Delaware doesn't have the very long history of deny Blacks the right to vote.
I think I will start posting this each time you make fun of Biden's speech issues.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uNXgjnBpxGIBiden is very obedient to what he is supposed to say. This is why he
forgets and stumbles through the required topics in confusion and forgetfulness.
In contrast, when ideas / topics come from one's own understanding, the speaking ability is confident and clear.
Could it be that the Democratic Party valued his willingness to parrot according to their agenda?
I don't think he started out this way in his early political life ...
Well, I sure hope not.
Plus, there's this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Slrs29r5KW8You need to listen to unedited sound bites by Biden haters.
I have listened to and watched Biden speak for decades. None of those remind me of this -
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uNXgjnBpxGI
and other similar insults that come out of your hero's mouth.
This is how stupid and out of touch with reality that Conservatives are - they actually cheered the fact that Biden didn't reach his 70% vaccination goal.
Can somebody tell why Trump supporting conservatives are choosing to get very sick and maybe dying rather than get vaccinated? It makes no sense - of course supporting Trump makes no sense either.Probably for the same reason liberals are making the same choice. (I'm going out on a limb here and assuming you have not interviewed millions of anti-vaxxers, determining both their political position AND why they don't want the vaccine).
But my guess is that both the liberals and conservatives making that foolish choice are no longer confident that the government is not lying to them about both the safety and the efficacy of the vaccine. Couple that with the lies about the death toll from the vaccine (there is a post in these forums that claims 6X as many people die from the vaccine as from COVID) and the inability to understand basic statistics and you could have the answer.Yes, apparently the anti-vaccine attitude is not along party lines. (So I heard on a podcast that was about the funding of anti-climate-change conspiracies and pro-smoking lobby).
"Probably for the same reason liberals are making the same choice. " - AND WHY would pro-science, pro-vaccine liberals be making that choice? Your statement is nonsensical.
Why would I have to interview millions of anti-vaxxers (I wonder if there are that many). Seems like those would be conservatives since they both share a distrust for science and intellect. All I need to do is look at a map that overlays where Trump supporters live and where people aren't getting vaccinated to know that it is primarily Trump supporters who aren't getting vaccinated and endangering the rest of us.
Your "post" is one of those MISINFORMATION pieces conservatives put out to scare people from getting vaccinated.
The bottom line is most liberals are vaccinated and most conservatives are not - you can't run from the facts.
Let's see, right now, on average, 233 people are dying a day and growing in Red States from Covid, maybe one or two them were vaccinated, the rest are not. Let me be generous and say 70% of those are Trump supporters (it is probably higher). That means Trump and the RINOs have 162 less people a day to vote for them. Extend that to the next election, about 485 days from today. That means the pool of Trump/RINO voters will decrease by roughly 78,000 voters.
Now, tack on to that the number of Trump voters who got deathly ill because they believed in his lies and are now understanding they were lied to and will not vote for Trump or RINOs. Today's average of new cases is around 20,000 per day and growing in the red states. Again, I will be generous and say only 20% of those catching the more deadly Delta-variant end up in the hospital (I suspect it is higher). And of those, let's say half of those finally had enough of the lies and join the land of the rational. Doing the math, that comes out to 2,000 people per day who won't vote for Trump or the RINOs. Taking the same 485 days, that means potentially another 970,000 might not vote for Trump or the RINOs.
So, I think I understand this correctly ... Biden had a meeting yesterday at the Whitehouse to talk about crime with various representatives from mostly Blue states --- you know the ones that the Dems were just last summer screaming to defund the police. And yes many blue states did just that, Now, they are having historic crimes in their cities due to defunding the police. Well, Biden came up with a solution to their problems. ---= He suggests they use the funds they receive for COVID relief to hire new police officers. So, what this means --- the Federal funds which came from us, the taxpayers, will now be used to pay for these fools big defund the police fiasco. Yeah. It would well appear Biden's main problem-solving tool, toss cash at it, To be more precise, taxpayer's cash.
https://nypost.com/2021/06/23/biden-say … ring-cops/"ou know the ones that the Dems were just last summer screaming to defund the police." - How do you say that with a straight face when you know it is not true. Only a handful of stupid Democrats say that
So, what is your solution that doesn't involve cash?My solution would have been to not defund the police, which resulted in police leaving their jobs in droves, and open historic crime. I find that a curious problem Dem's seem to have --- they create problems due to just not thinking about the end game. Like Biden did when he got rid of Trump's immigration solutions on his first day on the job. he sat at that big desk with his little blue blaze, and shiny shoes, and ultimately set the ball rolling for the historic border problems we are seeing today.
I just don't care to pay for Biden or the Dem's mistakes or all their investigations that are just stages for political ploys.
As part of the Biden - Democratic coronavirus relief package signed in March is a one-year expanded child tax credit designed to reduce child poverty by half., something Republicans strenuously opposed.
It is in the form of monthly checks through December and the balance can be received when the 2021 taxes are filed, even if no income was earned. It impacts middle to no income adults with children's under the age of 18. They will receive $300 per child younger than 6 and $250 for those between 6 and 17.
Those checks started arriving yesterday to the relief, and often surprise, to millions of middle and low income American parents.
Another great Biden-Democratic win for America!The stock market seems to like Biden as well with the economy able to open up with the delivery of those vaccines, as it is up 14% this year. It was funny to see the same Trump supporters touting those achievements four years ago, but now bemoaning how Biden is just helping the 'rich get richer.' Unreal the things they can find for their partisan hate.
It is called Biden Derangement Syndrome (BDS). With Trump, clear-eyed people had every reason to point out his continuous bad behavior (leading to Gen Milley worrying about Trump staging a coup). With Biden, clear-eyed people know he is doing a great job (on most things - I really disagree with his decision to pull out of Afghanistan. I don't care if we have been there for 20 years, we need to stay another 20 if it means keeping that country out of the hands of the Taliban and al Queda.)
I forget in which forum the subject of Universal Basic Income came up, but I ran across this article where California, in a 100% bipartisan vote, put their toe in the water of this concept.
Currently, it is limited to pregnant mothers (is that redundant?) and kids coming out of foster care.
https://www.latimes.com/california/stor … ncome-planWhat are the Things President Joe Biden Has Done While President ---
The elite on wall street to include investment banks have smashed earning expectations today. While American worker struggles with rising consumer good prices due to President Joe Biden’s inflation.
Current states
JPMorgan Chase --- “second-quarter earnings of $11.9 billion, or $3.78 per share, which exceeded the $3.21 estimate of analysts surveyed by Refinitiv,” CNBC reported.
Goldman Sachs --- "reported second-quarter earnings of $15.02 per share, topping analysts’ expectation of $10.24 earnings per share,” CNBC continued, “The bank posted its second-best ever quarterly investment banking revenue as a rush of IPOs hit Wall Street last quarter.”
The investment banks shattering expectations comes as the American worker is experiencing inflation at a 13 year high.
The Labor Department on Tuesday released its Consumer Price Index for June, showing that prices rose 0.9 percent in the past month. The price hike in June marked the largest 1-month increase since June 2008.
Source --- https://www.bls.gov/news.release/cpi.nr0.htm
Inflation has outrun expectations for three months in a row. The June monthly figure is the highest since June 2008, when prices increased 1 percent in a single month.
Inflation pressures remain more acute than appreciated and certainly appear that they are going to be with us for a longer period than has been previously reported.
Are we returning to the 1970s? Inflation has reached a three-decade high. The past two years with the need for several emergency’ spending packages, bond buy-backs, and printing lots of money it seems to mirror the same mistakes Government made in the Carter era.
Since President Joe Biden has taken office, prices for consumer goods and energy have dramatically risen.
In my view, our history shows when you tax the rich, they just pass these losses on to the consumer.
Didn't Biden promise to tax the rich, and bring back our economy? It seems we are headed down a path that the rich get rich, and the poor --- "well you know the thing!"Joe Biden's inflation? When you print 30% of all US currency in existence in one calendar year, and that year would be 2020 when the Fed needed to prop up the economy due to a horrific response to a global pandemic, that will be one cause of inflation.
When a pandemic limits the creation of new product, then there is a large demand for existing product, such as used cars since no new cars were being built (where as used cars are about 40% of the current inflation figures), there will be rises in prices. Was it Biden in control when the country had to shut down and stop making goods and services?
Here is a very good article from December of 2020 about the topic.
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles … ge-of-2021
And your claim that the rich are only getting richer now that Biden is president is a joke, right? For the last four years, we've listened to you crow on about how good Trump was for the Stock Market and how you've done so well. Well, for the first half of 2021, the Stock Market has done better with Biden in charge. But now that Biden is in charge, suddenly, a strong economy is something to complain about. And expectations will be crushed when you can build confidence back into the economy by doing your job and getting people vaccinated."The past two years with the need for several emergency’ spending packages, bond buy-backs, and printing lots of money it seems to mirror the same mistakes Government made in the Carter era." - YOU DO realize who was president for the last two years, don't you? Here is a clue - it wasn't BIden.
Didn't Republicans promise to stop Biden from doing anything. Since the minority controls the Senate, who is to blame here? It certainly isn't Biden.
We have been going down that path you mention EVER SINCE Trump because president.
"In my view, our history shows when you tax the rich, they just pass these losses on to the consumer." - FIRST, no, history does not show what you are trying to imply and SECOND, the first phrase has nothing to do with the second phrase of your sentence.Another thing Biden can take credit for ...
EXCLUSIVE: The number of detainees who tested positive for COVID-19 in the Rio Grande Valley (RGV) Sector alone has increased by 900%, according to information obtained by Fox News. https://www.foxnews.com/politics/covid- … er-numbers
There were 135 detainees who tested positive in the first two weeks of July alone, marking a 900% increase in confirmed positive cases compared to the previous 14 months.
Biden is totally ignoring the border crisis - More than one million illegal immigrants have been apprehended crossing the border since Bidens took office Yet he sees no problem with COVID infections rising 900% compared to the previous 14 months.
Why in the hell are we as a people, not demanding answers? We have been fighting this virus for over a year and a half and this dead-headed man is letting infected people pour across our border and flying them all over the US.
One can also imagine how many more immigrants are pouring in not being detected. Get ready to mask up people... Joe is not in any respect curbing the spread of DELTA. In fact, he is helping to ensure the spread.
This president is incapable of doing his job.There you go again misrepresenting numbers to give a very false picture of reality.
Just using your numbers (as I did where you said I didn't provide a link) we get this picture of reality. You claimed there were 135 detainees who tested positive in the first two weeks of July. Then you try to impress us with the fact that represents a 900% increase over the total from the last 14 months. Working backwards, that means there was a grand total of - wait for it - a whopping 15 detainee covid cases over the last 14 months!! Finally, subtracting, that means there were 120 positive Covid cases in the last two weeks.
Now let's take your million apprehension in the last 5 months. That averages 200,000 a month or 100,000 every 2 weeks. OK, those are your numbers.
Let's add a few of mine. Number of unvaccinated Americans - 77,000,000 (Kaiser Foundation estimate of 37%). Current number of positive cases every two weeks - 504,000 (current 36,000 daily rate from Worldometers times 14 days).
We now have what we need for a non-hyperbolic comparison.
Rate of positive cases from your data: 120 per 100,000
Rate of positive cases currently in America: 654 per 100,000 unvaccinated Americans (every two weeks).
SO, what is the problem you are trying to create with your hyperbole. Seems like it is much safer to be among the detainees to me?
Also, do you REALLY BELIEVE, there have been only 15 positive cases in the last 14 months (remember, these are your numbers). I suppose those who believe in the Big Lie would believe a Fox News report, but I am surprised you do. When will you learn Fox News hosts LIE.
And to deflate your bubble a bit more - Biden has maintained Trump's policy of turning away people testing positive.
THE REAL CULPRIT in spreading the Delta-variants are unvaccinated Americans, largely you conservatives, and NOT Biden.https://www.reuters.com/world/americas/ … 021-06-25/
"WASHINGTON, June 25 (Reuters) - U.S. authorities have made more than 1 million arrests of migrants at the U.S.-Mexico border so far in fiscal year 2021, according to preliminary figures shared with Reuters, a tally that underscores the immigration challenges facing President
Joe Biden."
VERY SAD STATS Your quopte
"Let's add a few of mine. Number of unvaccinated Americans - 77,000,000 (Kaiser Foundation estimate of 37%). Current number of positive cases every two weeks - 504,000 (current 36,000 daily rate from Worldometers times 14 days)."
I am proud that you posted this sad failure of Biden. he just can't get people to step up and get vaccinated. Only 49% of American's are vaccinated. Makes us very distressed to think of how many would have been vaccinated if Trump was still president. Hey, he provided Biden the vaccines, but Joe --- well not many trust him to his administration IMO
And as I said this old guy instead of thinking about closing the border, more or less puts the virus on busses and airplanes and sends it to a town near you. LOL."I am proud that you posted this sad failure of Biden. he just can't get people to step up and get vaccinated. " - YOU ARE RIGHT, then start campaigning for mandating the vaccines to stop mostly conservatives from killing more people.
BTW, what makes that "sad" is your side, the conservative side, won't listen to him and the doctors about getting vaccinated.
Virtually EVERY case of Covid, and the resulting deaths, today are at the feet of conservatives who won't get vaccinated. Why aren't you railing at them???? Why aren't you saying things like [u]"it is sad conservatives]/b] won't get vaccinated". [/u[
"Makes us very distressed to think of how many would have been vaccinated if Trump was still president. " - GIVEN Trump's record, the answer would be [b]a hell of the lot LESS.
BTW, where did you get your low 47% figure from? It is actually 56% that are fully vaccinated (mostly Democrats and Independents) with many more that have one shot. Were you trying to give the reader a false impression of reality?
As to your discriminatory "old man" snark, all I have to say to that is https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7nfiyLQwXHE
"Across forecasts, the US is projected to hit growth rates that haven't been seen in decades"
And given inflation has been suppressed for so many years by both the Obama and Trump administrations tied with the drying up of than then explosion of demand due to Covid, it is amazing it isn't even higher than it is. -- Some might claim that Biden did a great job in limiting its growth. (I am not one of those because I know he has little control over inflation, the FED does.)"What are the Great Things President Joe Biden Has Done While President"
Well, not great but another thing Biden has done or I should say not done.
On another subject --- It seems Biden is doomed to fail with his infrastructure bill. He just does not seem to get a win on his own.
A test vote on Biden's bipartisan infrastructure bill fails Senate amid GOP objections
Senate Republicans on Wednesday mounted a filibuster against a motion to debate a nearly $1 trillion infrastructure bill that President Biden brokered with a bipartisan group of senators, dealing a big setback for efforts to fund new roads, bridges, and broadband improvements.
The procedural vote in the Senate needed 60 votes to succeed but fell short at 49, with Republicans complaining Senate Majority Leader Chuck Schumer, D-N.Y., rushed to a vote on a bill that wasn't quite ready.
Sen. Minority Leader Mitch McConnell called the test vote a "stunt" earlier Wednesday and correctly predicted it would "fail." https://www.foxbusiness.com/politics/bi … objections
However, the Republicans are open to a more sensible bill and hope to work with the Democrats to get an infrastructure bill that is all about infrastructure and not free stuff...
So, pleased to see the GOP stand their ground.More negative news on the economy ---
The number of Americans filing for FRIST-time jobless benefits last week unexpectedly rose from pandemic-era lows.
The Labor Department said Thursday that 419,000 Americans filed for initial jobless benefits in the week ending July 17, above last week’s upwardly revised 368,000 filings. Wall Street analysts surveyed by Refinitiv were expecting 350,000 filings.
Inflation, unemployment. Increased wage, cut in employees, and rise in prices for us all... Wow-what a great plan to pay citizens to stay home, looks like we are losing businesses in many cases due to them not being able to get workers LOL -- And just think of all the taxes we are losing due to the snowball effect from losing all these businesses.
Just another problem that Biden caused with his stay home enjoys the summer $300.00 bucks... And what does Joe do - toss more cash in a child tax payment. Someone better tell Joe the piggy bank is empty. Better stop trying to pay for votes, he is sinking our economy.
So much trouble coming and coming with the speed of a train.He, nor anyone he has appointed, is under indictment.
He has returned the US to international respect.
He does nothing to embarass us day in and day out.
He has let the scientists take charge of fighting the pandemic.
He is presidential and his staff respects the office.
He is supporting legislation that the majority of Americans want passed.
I think today he is being accused of his first lie and I'm sure he will apologize and clarify what he meant. By now in the Trump administration I believe we'd lost count of his lies.Using Trump's favorite measure of success, the stock market, President Biden is doing an outstanding job. The markets set records last week and Biden is putting Trump to shame.
America needs more of Biden.Thanks to President Biden, the economy is now bigger than it was at the beginning of the pandemic. It grew at a sustained 6.5% annual rate, the highest in decades! Keep it up Joe!
https://www.cnn.com/2021/07/29/economy/ … index.htmlThen when it shrinks again because so many Republicans who are unvaccinated will cause the economy to slow, we will get the same forum posts blaming Joe for the slow down. Can't wait.
You may well be right - the refusal to vaccinate may slow the economy right back down.
Or the refusal to knuckle under to requirements to protect idiots that refuse to protect themselves may be ignored. We'll have to wait and see, but my money (for the moment) is that folks aren't going to take much more, particularly when it is designed to protect those that refuse to participate in the nationwide effort to protect all of us.I think your confidence in a system built on making profit (Big Pharma), and vaccines that are completely experimental (have not gone through years of regimented and carefully observed tests) is an example of how some of us are easily influenced by the MSM narrative.
Question - how many years of testing does the yearly flu vaccine go through? How many people are subjected to those "regimented and carefully observed tests" each year for that new flu vaccine?
It is my impression that the vaccine is remade every year, based on projections and best guesses as to what the flu bug will look like. This absolutely precludes those "years" of testing. What is your impression? How long and how many years of testing is performed for each year's new flue vaccine?Not to mention that the Pfizer and Moderna vaccines are an entirely and much safer delivery mechanism that has been under development for over 10 years. I wouldn't be surprised that most vaccines won't be made using this technique.
"I think your confidence in a system built on making profit (Big Pharma), and vaccines that are completely experimental " - That, Ken, is right-wing myth.
There is very little difference in the data requirements on safety and efficacy between getting an EUA and full authorization. Yes, they do need a few more months after the issuance of the EUA, but that data is already in. All the FDA is doing now is looking at manufacturing and distribution before issuing their ruling.
These vaccines are no longer experimental let alone your false characterization that it is [i]completely experimental[/i[
Frankly, it is that kind of rhetoric from the right that is killing thousands of people.
Interesting point. I wonder if economy will shrink that much. Unlike the original pandemic, the whole country locked down because nobody was safe. Today, at least half the population, those who are vaccinated, is safe (although they can still spread Delta). Plus, more and more large employers are mandating vaccination before employees can come back to work.
The question is - can businesses keep up production with just vaccinated employees (or those who keep testing negative).
Another question - as Delta roars through the unvaccinated who chose to make themselves, their kids, their families, and strangers sick or dead will become smart and start getting vaccinated in larger numbers?
What is interesting and plays a part as well is this - conservative America is not where a large portion of GDP is produced and it is conservative America that make bad choices by not getting vaccinated. So even if Delta decimates the South, how much impact will it really have on GDP?
Sure did - sustained for a whole quarter! As businesses re-open from being closed, it grew enormously. For a whole quarter!
Gotta love the spin that it was somehow sustained for more than the minimum time necessary to see it."Sure did - sustained for a whole quarter! " - WRONG AGAIN!, LOL. It is "Sure did - sustained for a whole two quarters! " Two quarters = half a year.
Perhaps you need to read your link, and then think about what it says. Because the 6.5% you tout as being sustained for two whole quarters (6 months) is the highest since 2020.
Think about that - it was higher than the first quarter of 2021. It was NOT, then, "sustained" for 2 quarters. Even your sly spin (making it sound like far more than the measly two months you now mention) is false to fact for it was lower in the preceding quarter.Arguing to argue, and not doing it very well.
Eso's statement: It grew at a sustained 6.5% annual rate, the highest in decades!
The article's statement in the opening paragraph: The US economy in the second quarter expanded at a slower rate than expected but still at its fastest pace since last fall, growing at a seasonally adjusted, annualized rate of 6.5%.
Those two statements seem pretty similar, unless you're from Idaho, I guess.Didn't read far enough, did you? From the link: "It was also only little changed from the first quarter when the economy grew at an annual rate of 6.3%."
Doesn't sound to me like the 6.5% was "sustained" for more than a single quarter, as the first quarter was lower. Of course, simply reading that it was the highest since last fall (which you quoted) should have clued you and Eso in that it was NOT "sustained" for more than a single quarter.
Do people from New York equate 3 to 5? Perhaps their lower grade math courses need to be revamped a little.
But I guess that pointing out arithmetic fallacies is just "arguing to argue", right?Like I said, arguing to argue. Eso cited 6.5% annual, the article said 6.5% annual.
And an increase in a rate certainly sounds like something sustained. Sustained: continuing for an extended period or without interruption. 6.0% to 6.3% to 6.5% definitely fits that definition, unless you cannot comprehend what sustained means.
And I'm just going to choose to report that pettiness instead of trading barbs with you since all you do is write nonsense until it devolves into insults.Hmm. You do understand that in your example, the sustained figure is 6.0, not 6.5? It will always be the lowest of the group, never the highest.
You see, 6.5 is greater than 6.3, so 6.3 is included in the 6.5 figure. However, the opposite is not true; 6.5 is not included in 6.3.
This is elementary arithmetic - perhaps NY needs to improve their schools?
(By the way - the article said 6.5% annual, for ONE quarter. Eso said 6.5% annual for TWO quarters. There is a difference between one and two, just as there is between three and five).
"Doesn't sound to me like the 6.5% was "sustained" for more than a single quarter, as the first quarter was lower. " - That is called "wordsmithing" for sake of being pointlessly contrarian. Sensible people understand the meaning even if you don't.
Is this the definition of "obtuse"? I do not, for one second, believe that you think the 6.5% rate you claim was sustained was the rate for the first quarter. The article makes it very clear it was not (did you read the article?), and I assume you understood the simple English it used.
6.3 < 6.5; ergo the first quarter was less than the second and therefore the second quarter rate was NOT "sustained" for more than the second quarter.
And the caveat about "last fall" refers to the one quarter bounce back from from the pandemic low before falling back to 4.3% in the 4th quarter. It then rose to 6.4% and 6.5%, back to back numbers not seen in decades.
Boy, you can't get anything right, can you.
Another great Jobs Report from President Biden. Almost 1 million people put back to work and unemployment drops to 5.4%,
https://www.cnn.com/2021/08/06/economy/ … index.html
Even better, the misinformed unvaccinated are getting a clue and are protecting themselves and others in greater numbers.I do not hold the following as a "great" thing President Biden has done - although Trumpers might.
I am an admitted hawk when our national security interests are in peril. I know I am in the minority on this but I supported our involvement in Vietnam and I support our remaining in Afghanistan. In both cases, I firmly believe our national security interests are threatened. On the other hand, I opposed our involvement in Iraq because 1) I saw no threat to our security from Iraq and 2) I saw a major threat to it from Afghanistan.
President George W. Bush blew it, in my opinion, by turning the focus of the fight against terror away from where it originated in Afghanistan to an unnecessary war in Iraq. .President Obama was left the hand he was dealt in Iraq by Bush but rightly refocused on Afghanistan - but he was too timid.
Trump didn't do any worse in Afghanistan than his predecessors until he announced our withdrawal from Afghanistan. That was the beginning of the debacle we see there now. President Biden had a chance to correct course but didn't - he made it much, much worse.
Both Trump and Biden has proved once again that America cannot be trusted to keep its promises and that they are willing to put our national security interests at risk because Americans got tired of doing the right thing.
Biden's botching of first, announcing that America is giving up the good fight and second, the cut-and-running will forever put a blot on whatever other great things he has and will accomplish accomplish in the four years he is in office. SAD."Biden's botching of first, announcing that America is giving up the good fight and second, the cut-and-running will forever put a blot on whatever other great things he has and will accomplish in the four years he is in office. SAD."
Agree very sad... Let me remind you Trump's administration further destroyed al-Quida and destroyed ISIS. They will once again gather and rule the middle east.
Biden is hiding, and one thing is a fact --- he will be responsible for any and all that die due to his poor decision-making. Just as Trump would have been if he had won and botched this pull-out. I am tired of hearing non-sensible excuses for Bidems mistakes. All presidents make mistakes, can calculate wrong. But Americans could have been pulled out long ago before Biden offered a pull-out date.
Biden's polls make me realize more are coming to see what a mistake it was to put him in the White House.
The Rasmussen Reports daily Presidential Tracking Poll, sponsored by The ANTIFA by Jack Posobiec, for Monday shows that 46% of Likely U.S. Voters approve of President Biden’s job performance. Fifty-three percent (53%) disapprove.
The latest figures include 26% who Strongly Approve of the job Biden is doing and 43% who Strongly Disapprove. This gives him a Presidential Approval Index rating of -17
A bit of a return to the subject of the thread --- Are you reconsidering your support for Biden in any respect now that you have witnessed his job performance of six months?
The pandemic has not been "put behind us" we are dealing with over a hundred thousand DELTA cases a day, and Dr. Fauci claims this winter will be worst than last winter.
We are still in a recession, that shows no real signs of slowing.
Overall, the number of unemployed is at 8.7 million.
Tuesday, August 17, 2021, Again polls are indicating they do not feel confident about Biden's presidency or approve of his job performance.
The Rasmussen Reports daily Presidential Tracking Poll, sponsored by, for Tuesday shows that 45% of Likely U.S. Voters approve of President Biden’s job performance. Fifty-four percent (54%) disapprove.
The latest figures include 27% who Strongly Approve of the job Biden is doing and 45% who Strongly Disapprove. This gives him a Presidential Approval Index rating of -18. (see trends)No, beyond this blunder, he has done a great job in pulling America out of the hole Trump put us in.
His decision to pull out of Afghanistan is supported by the vast majority of Americans (even though I think it was bone-headed and dangerous to national security). Three presidents before him said they would. Two of them didn't, and Trump started to without having a fall back plan - he just did it.
The same can be said of Biden - he made a promise and he kept it regardless of the consequences. Only time will tell what went wrong in the analysis of how much time he had to withdraw.
Personally, if I had made that decision, I would have dumped another 30,000 troops in there, then taken the fight to the Taliban, while at the same time pulling all Americans and allies out, as well as any women who wanted to leave. THEN, and only then, would I have pulled the troops out and let the country fall. I'll bet you anything that is something like what the military advised him.
"We are still in a recession" - ACTUALLY, we are not. The NBER recently announced the recession had ended in April 2020 after reviewing the data.
"Dr. Fauci claims this winter will be worst than last winter." - 1) I thought you guys didn't listen to Fauci and 2) the only reason it will be is 100% on the shoulders of the unvaccinated, the plurality of whom are white Republicans.
How come you never mention that Biden is still above water while Trump NEVER was?
Here is what started the debacle in Afghanistan that will stain Biden's otherwise great record forever. It is true, everything Trump touches, dies.
https://www.cnn.com/2021/08/17/politics … an-cnntv/iLet me reorient you to who is president at this time his name is Biden --- all of this mess is on him IMO. He should have used simple common sense to remove civilians before troops. He would not listen to his own military. and though he knew best. Well, it appears he has one of the biggest messes we have needed as American's to witness.
Common sense is something Biden does not have..And let me reorient you to the fact because of Trump, Biden's withdrawal was going to fail. IMO, Biden should put more troops in, not take them out just to fill a campaign promise and the will of the people, even though it is clearly against our national interest.
"He would not listen to his own military. and though he knew best." - SOUNDS like your hero. Why are you so proud of Trump for doing exactly that?? Isn't that called hypocracy?Gen Milley --- WE DON'T HAVE THE CAPABILITY’: With 6,000 troops committed to defend the Kabul airport and less than two weeks until a self-imposed Aug. 31 deadline, Defense Secretary Lloyd Austin says he doesn’t have enough forces to help Americans or qualified Afghans get to the airport for flights to safety.
“I don't have the capability to go out and extend operations currently into Kabul,” Austin said in his first public comments since the fall of the capital Sunday. “We don't have the capability to go out and collect up large numbers of people.”
https://news.yahoo.com/hamstrung-austin … 00385.html
Last I knew Biden commanded our military... Can't wait until Gen Milley is heard at a Congressional investigation of Biden's leadership in the pull out."Gen Milley --- WE DON'T HAVE THE CAPABILITY’:" - Yes, you are correct, Trump didn't leave enough troops in country to do the job properly.
The fault of Biden is not inserting more troops before drawing down - but then you would have criticized him for that as well. It seems you like to put him down whether there is a reason or not? In any case, he is doing it now.Really? Trump had ample troops, the Bagram airport was functional, and he left an agreement.
He also had Fox News has obtained the June 11 memo sent around the State Department which gave the green light on the "discontinuation of the establishment, and the termination of, the Contingency and Crisis Response Bureau (CCR)."
The sensitive but unclassified memo was signed by Deputy Secretary of State Brian McKeon, just a couple of months before the Biden administration’s botched troop withdrawal that saw Afghanistan fall under Taliban control.
source -- https://www.foxnews.com/politics/biden- … -ccr-kabul
His house of cards has collapsed. He was warned by many that this mess would occur, and now he has our military surrounded in the last airport in Afganistan like defenseless sitting ducks. The troops can't leave the airport.
Believe what you please.... I would think it's obvious the trouble Biden has created and will need to answer for."Really? Trump had ample troops, the Bagram airport was functional, and he left an agreement." - Bull. He was supposed to leave 8,500 troops. He didn't do it! Instead he left 2,500 troops with a promise to withdraw the rest before he left office. Why can't you understand that simple fact??
So, in reality, Trump FAILED to 1) follow the agreement and 2) to do what he said and withdraw all troops in January.
Since Fox is known to lie a lot, anything they say must be verified. Find me an honest news outlet that corroborates Fox's claim. All I saw was a bunch of right-wing propaganda outlets.
But what is true, Republicans voted AGAINST speeding up the visa process of what you claim was needed.The troops Trump left had Bagram up and running when he left office. That is a Fact. Trump's agreement had the date of May 1 2021 to be out of Afghanistan. I provide the agreement that shows that very date. That's also a true fact. Do I need to post the entire agreement once again --- read the agreement? I assume you have gotten all this information from the media. READ THE AGREEMENT. The media do have not to portrait the agreement with any actual facts from the agreement.
In regard to the Fox report --- I have verified it with several different sources.
I am not interested in defending Trump, he has nothing to do with this evacuation mess, in any respect. Biden made his own problems, he always does.Give me a break. Bagram was out in the middle of nowhere. You think people have a problem getting to the Kabul airport, just think of the problems they would have had getting to Bagram which is at least 60 miles further away.
I READ THE AGREEMENT! What makes that May 1 so sacrosanct to you?? Neither side was living up to it. The Taliban basically ignored it because Trump was pulling out willie-nillie faster than that. The AGREEMENT was NULL AND VOID. His final plan was to withdraw entirely before he left office with NO PLANS to bring anybody but the troops home. Plans that were totally missing from the null and void agreement.
Were all your sources right-wing propaganda outlets or did more reliable sources like the BBC, Reuters, CNN, ABC, CBS, NPR, or NBC carry it? Here, I just found a Yahoo News article that reports what appears to be the complete picture - AND it isn't what Fox misled you to believe.
https://news.yahoo.com/biden-admin-move … 37786.html
If I understood it correctly, the thing you and Fox are all up in arms about didn't even functionally exist!https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/bi … ar-AANtgkl
The Biden administration moved in June to dismantle a system designed to protect American citizens trapped abroad — just months before the Taliban took over Afghanistan, stranding thousands of Americans in the Central Asian country.
Fox News has obtained the June 11 memo sent around the State Department which gave the green light on the "discontinuation of the establishment, and the termination of, the Contingency and Crisis Response Bureau (CCR)."
The sensitive but unclassified memo was signed by Deputy Secretary of State Brian McKeon, just a couple of months before the Biden administration’s botched troop withdrawal that saw Afghanistan fall under Taliban control.
https://cbnc.com/biden-admin-moved-to-d … fall-memo/
BOTH CARRIED FOX REPORT...
Bagram was a large airbase that could have been very useful with evacuation. However, on Jul 1 2021 the troops were ordered to pull out in the dark of night, and never informed the Afgan Government that they were leaving. Source's
"BAGRAM, Afghanistan (AP) — The U.S. left Afghanistan’s Bagram Airfield after nearly 20 years by shutting off the electricity and slipping away in the night without notifying the base’s new Afghan commander, who discovered the Americans’ departure more than two hours after they left, Afghan military officials said. Source --- PBS ":
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-57682290
https://apnews.com/article/bagram-afgha … aaa167e623
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/wor … 871154002/
I would assume Biden gave the order to desert this airbase. A state-of-the-art airbase that houses many barracks, and other housing units as well as a hospital, and two airstrips. and only one hour from Kabul. Guess Joe felt a tiny one airstrip was all that would be needed two evacuate 50, 000 to 60,000 people.
Trump was keeping to the agreement as was the Taliban pretty much. Biden did not in any respect keep to the US negotiate an agreement. You see IMO he only does what he pleases. he breaks laws if they don't suit him.That is called "transference" You are really speaking about Trump.
No, Trump was a great problem solver your guy --- not so much. I think Ken's list gives very good proof of just how inept Biden is. In my view, none of this would be happening under Trump, and our border would still be secure, and we would not be bedding OPIC to produce more oil --- https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-ea … 021-08-11/
"Aug 11 (Reuters) - U.S. President Joe Biden's administration on Wednesday urged OPEC and its allies to boost oil output to tackle rising gasoline prices that they see as a threat to the global economic recovery".
Biden is a destroyer. Not sure how anyone can defend his job performance.This is simply called research to provide facts, to help one understand how I came to an opinion. I like to try to use facts as often as I can, and quote persons that offer facts on a media report.
Actually, I used the wrong term. The correct term is "projecting", which is part of "gaslighting".
So, when you improperly use the results of that research to place on Biden what is actually Trump, that is called projecting.Trump is in no respect responsible for the messes Bidens creates. Not sure how anyone could go on supporting this man after seeing how inept he is.
But hey that's your prerogative. I don't really care about the personal attacks, come with the territory. I have always found those who need to get personal are very much insecure and need an outlet when they are proved to be wrong. Calling one a liar or insinuating one is projecting is an outlet in my book... You rarely address my sources or the information they offer. You move on or put out a bit of an insult.
I just prefer to fall back on facts, and I am very comfortable with my comments, due to relying on facts. I do not consider myself an expert on most subjects, so I turn to the experts and quote them... Some here seem to think they are experts on --- everything.
So, I will continue to look to the pros... and present facts."Not sure how anyone could go on supporting this man after seeing how inept he is." - Then why do you keep on supporting Trump, the most inept president in American history. You forget, Trump's ineptness has led to the death of hundreds of thousands of Americans due to Covid.
Had he been as competent has say New Zealand and Australia, our death toll might be a 100,000 or so, not 650,000. So please don't bring up ineptness without bringing up Trump.
As to Biden, I won't argue with you that he blew it with the withdrawal, but EVERYTHING else he has done has been spot on.
Oh yes, all I deal in is facts as well. I try very hard to make false statements like ""Trump directed Pompeo to formed a committee months before he left office to help with that plan, which Pompeo did. " - First, how do you know Trump directed that? Not saying he didn't, but how do you know he did. Second, you claim that Pompeo set up the committee and implied they even made "suggestions" - that is not a fact.
Now THIS is a real fact (which I provided before) -
A State Department spokesperson told Fox News in a Wednesday email that it "is important to note that not only would the proposed Contingency and Crisis Response Bureau b][not have introduced any new capabilities[/b] to the Department, [i]it was never formally established."
What you offered was not a fact, it was Fox misinformation."As to Biden, I won't argue with you that he blew it with the withdrawal, but EVERYTHING else he has done has been spot on."
He was "spot on" when he shut down deportations from the interior, ignoring the laws of the nation?
He was "spot on" when he encouraged illegal aliens to cross our borders because he would ensure they would all be made citizens?
He was "spot on" when he made us once more dependent on foreign supplies of oil?
He was "spot on" with border policies resulting in a million people a month crossing illegally?
He was "spot on" when he brought in thousands of COVID cases and distributed them into communities without telling anyone?
He was "spot on" when he made the US the baby sitter of the world, with ten thousand children for us to care for and raise?
He is "spot on" with his assurances that America will again pick up the costs for world wide projects dear to the heart of socialists?
The list would go on for pages of Biden's "spot on" actions that are as far from good for our country as it is possible to get."He was "spot on" when he shut down deportations from the interior, ignoring the laws of the nation?" - Show me the statute he broke?
"He was "spot on" when he encouraged illegal aliens to cross our borders because he would ensure they would all be made citizens?" - Beyond paraphrasing what is on the Statue of Liberty, SHOW me where he did that.
"He was "spot on" when he brought in thousands of COVID cases and distributed them into communities without telling anyone?" - Prove that lie.
"He was "spot on" when he made the US the baby sitter of the world, with ten thousand children for us to care for and raise?" - WHAT fantasy world do you live in? That is not even remotely true.
"He is "spot on" with his assurances that America will again pick up the costs for world wide projects dear to the heart of socialists?" - Another part of your imaginary world.
He sent troops into an airport that is surrounded by the Taliban... These troops are sitting ducks. He should have pulled the people that needed to be evacuated before drawing down troops. He should have listened to the General's, and the CIA
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/nation … s-n1277026
.Or maybe perhaps Pompeo and Trump should not have assisted in the release of 5,000 Taliban prisoners until AFTER we had withdrawn our people. They said they never trusted them, but assisted in providing them the forces to overwhelm the Afghan government.
Take a look in the mirror for once.This comment in my view is unrelated to the fact that Biden has made decisions that put our troops in harm's way, as well as thousands of American's and allies. He has botched this pullout. He did not listen to his own intelligence. In my opinion, he is not and never was suited to serve as president. This has nothing to do with how trump letting people out of our military prison. Afghanistan was under control while Trump was president, not a death of a soldier in 18 months. The Taliban was for all purposes contained. He left an agreement that Biden choose not to follow, he dismantled a committee on June 11, 2021, that was planning for a safe evacuation of Americans/others from Afganastan.
Biden as I have said from day one has no problem-solving skills, he is mentally compromised IMO.
He needs to resign or be impeached. He is not equipped to be president.
These 5,000 had nothing to do with this poorly planned evacuation.
I find it odd you tell anyone to look into a mirror. can't imagine anyone at this point defending the actions of this man.
Just this morning it was reported Biden's own state department on July 13, 2021, warned the rapid collapse of Afganastan, and a suggested plan to help get people evacuated.
The investigation of this mess will out that Biden took it upon himself to make all decisions without considering his the State Department, and the CIA, and his Military... The chips are falling, and no one is willing to take the blame for this fool's decisions. He is toast, and the day they impeach him can't come too soon.It has everything to do with what is going on there now because it set the stage for the current debacle. Had Trump done it right, then Biden unfortunate decision to leave would have had a much better outcome.
I won't argue that Biden bears a lot of the responsibility for the current state of affairs, but if Trump hadn't bungled it so badly, Biden wouldn't have had to thread the needle in the first place. Both men bear a lot of the responsibility - not to mention the Afghan leadership.I am not willing in any respect to put any of this on Trump. Have fun. Just not willing to join in blaming anyone but Biden. Trump had the situation under control, and a great plan to accomplish the goal of withdrawal, which I was 100% on board with.
Too bad he did not win, we would not have had this problem raging on or the border mess.
Like I have said, Biden needs to be impeached if he won't step down. He has put American troops in harm's way, as well as thousands of American citizens. He is dangerous and needs to retire. We can't afford a president that is so careless, and unable to solve problems. This situation will only get worse in the days to come.I'll be interested in seeing how we get the last few planeloads out of the airport. There can't be a more vulnerable position than a plane slowly moving down a runway - a runway surrounded by armed, suicidal fanatics wishing to kill Americans and absolutely no one to stop them.
We will have one person to blame if people are killed --- That would be a man that just thought he knew more than the pros that handle true problems of war. But, one must always remember Joe beat down "Corn Pop" or his claim that while in South Africa while trying to see Nelson he was arrested. He is totally incompetent.
Our soldiers are trapped in a small airport that they can't leave --- I call that a hostage situation or one just waiting to happen.
It is time he resigns! He can do nothing from here on to make me in any respect feel safe in America.I have thought about the same thing? I suspect (hope) there will be an armada of gunships, bombers, fighter aircraft, cruise missiles, etc targeting every known Taliban position in the country ready to rain death and destruction should they interfere.
"Just not willing to join in blaming anyone but Biden. " - Why do you keep lying??
I will gladly step away from the conversation. I have more than made my point, offered sources to back my opinion. I see you are back to calling names
.I didn't call you a name, I simply asked a question.
Maybe you should consider what Biden has done... What he has done to make this historic dangerous mess.
It would seem you are dwelling on Trump once again, he is not the president. He had a plan to remove all that needed removing before the troops... So easy, so common sence. He also would not have left weapons, aircraft, and intact airstrips... That would be Biden's dession.
That would be our current president.
"He should have pulled the people that needed to be evacuated before drawing down troops." - That is what I have been saying, isn't it.
That was Trump's plan... Too bad Biden did not use that very common-sense solution --- he can't solve problems only make them. Maybe it's time to realize that... Think border mess, think our soldier trapped on an airport in Afghanistan. He is not suitable to be president. IMO we would not be looking at this situation if Trump were in charge -- he is a problem solver.
I am encouraged and find hope due to the polls that indicate more American's are realizing their mistake in voting for Biden. Better late than never. . https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions … e-nervous/
This mess is on you guy... Trump had the situation under control. all came down on Joe's time. And CNN well just a very poor source at best. The link seems to have been taken down. This happens frequently at CNN. Perhaps a retraction?
CNN... where we fabricate news 100% of the time, if it isn't fake or opinion, it isn't CNN!!!
And if we get caught... well, we just delete the evidence!
"Trump had the situation under control. " - LOL. As The Hill article makes perfectly clear, Trump is the one that destabilized everything by
1. Not following his own plan.
2. Drawing down way to fast in the end
3. Not getting ANY concessions from the Taliban
4. Not including the Afghan gov't in the plan
5. Not forcing the Taliban to the negotiating table which the "plan" called for.
Face it - Trump totally blew it.
I will admit that Biden's mishandling of the Afghan withdrawal has set our relations with our allies back to the bad old days of the Trump administration. At least he isn't insulting them like Trump did, but not consulting with them is plenty bad.
https://www.cnn.com/2021/08/18/politics … index.htmlWorld leaders laugh at Biden, they found him to be a joke, incompetent at the G7... where he was exposed to the world to be a buffoon.
They may have not liked Trump, but they feared what he might do, or respected that he might do something.
I'd rather be disliked but considered capable of action, then laughed at and considered incompetent.Biden's words ring in my ears ---- "America is back on the world stage."
Teah he sure kept that promise in spades. Can't wait to read the reviews of the poorly directed play... Buffon is too kind."World leaders laugh at Biden, they found him to be a joke, incompetent at the G7... where he was exposed to the world to be a buffoon." - Actually, that is not even close to being true. You are describing how they felt about Trump.
Yes, they also feared him as they would fear any mad man with power.Reality about Joe Biden's pathetic presence at the G7:
https://thefederalist.com/2021/06/14/bi … -his-wake/
More Reality:
https://www.the-sun.com/news/us-news/30 … ers-laugh/
And still more Reality:
https://twitter.com/JewishVoice/status/ … e-39656%2FFeared? Did you see the news out of the UK today? Do a bit of research on that if you are interested. World leaders are starting to chime in...
https://www.nytimes.com/2021/08/18/worl … n-too.html
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/20 … an-pulloutI couldn't read the NYT link - firewall
But the Guardian doesn't address European leaders fearing mad man Trump. Instead, it talks about Biden fumbling on Afghanistan.
I find it ironic that Trump dodged the same bullet by once again not doing what he promised the Taliban to withdraw entirely by January leaving the field to them. Since Trump failed to do what he said he would, that left Biden to finish the job for him.Perhaps it's time to stop blaming Trump for Biden's mistakes?
Exactly.
Can we not evaluate Joe Biden... on what Joe Biden says and does?
Day 1 in office, he essentially shuts down drilling for oil and gas in America.
A few months later he is literally at a podium begging foreigners to produce more oil.
Nov 04, 2020 · The national average price for gasoline was $2.11 gallon.
Aug 11, 2021 · The national average price for gasoline was $3.15 gallon.
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Biden immediately ended the national emergency that Trump declared on the border in February 2018. He issued new "standing orders" to BP Agencies that they were to catch and release, into America, illegal immigrants crossing the border.
Biden’s DHS terminated enrollment in the Migrant Protection Protocols. Otherwise known as “Remain in Mexico,” this program provided that migrants who “illegally or without proper documentation” entered the United States from Mexico would be returned there while their claims for asylum were processed.
Biden's words as he ran to become President were loud and clear, here is one example: President Biden urged them to “come” to the country if they were being “oppressed.”
“They deserve to be heard. That’s who we are,” Biden said at the time. “We’re a nation that says, ‘You want to flee, and you’re fleeing oppression, you should come.'”
They are currently coming to the tune of almost a million a month.
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Afghanistan ... could have been handled in many different ways.
How Biden addressed the matter could have been handled differently this past week.
This is Biden's mess, same with the border, same with energy prices, etc. etc. not Trump, not Obama, not Bush... Biden.Let me count the ways --- All this in 6 months. This man is destroying America. I am very sure you'll be adding more of his horrific blunders to the list.
It is obvious some will not or can not digest the facts. I thank you for posting this comment. I for one am going to save it for reference."This man is destroying America. " - Again transference - you are talking about Trump
I notice when you can't defend your view you get personal. Once again Biden is the President, he is responsible for all the crises we are expensing,
Must inform you your last trump conspiracy fell through --- "FBI finds no evidence Capitol riot was coordinated" The FBI has reportedly found no evidence that far-right allies of Donald Trump conspired to overturn the presidential election during the January 6 assault on the US Capitol, according to law enforcement officers briefed on the investigation.
Reuters reported the FBI doesn’t believe the thousands-strong mob that stormed the Capitol was part of a coordinated effort, or that the rioters had planned what they would do once they breached the building.
The story was immediately seized on by supporters of Mr Trump as evidence that the mob that smashed their way into the Senate chamber had not been trying to prevent the certification of the 2020 presidential results."
:"Can we not evaluate Joe Biden... on what Joe Biden says and does?" - AND you want to do that in vacuum? Why?
"Day 1 in office, he essentially shuts down drilling for oil and gas in America." - ACTUALLY, that is not true. But what he did do was a good for the world.
"A few months later he is literally at a podium begging foreigners to produce more oil." - A TOTAL mischaracterization and misinformation.
"Aug 11, 2021 · The national average price for gasoline was $3.15 gallon." - What is your point? That Americans should have stayed at home in order to keep prices lower and hurt our oil industry? Why didn't you compare it to May 2019 when it was $2.95? Not as misleading is it?
"Biden immediately ended the national emergency that Trump declared on the border in February 2018. " - AS WELL he should have since there was no national emergency to start with. Trump just cheated to get funding for his useless wall.
"Biden’s DHS terminated enrollment in the Migrant Protection Protocols." - AS WELL he should have. It was (and now is again) one of Trump many inhumane policies.
"“They deserve to be heard. That’s who we are,” Biden said at the time. “We’re a nation that says, ‘You want to flee, and you’re fleeing oppression, you should come.'” - YOU are probably one of the ones who wants to tear down the Statute of Liberty.Sure, but can we also add some context to debate where blame lies?
In November 2020, that was the height of the pandemic and travel was significantly down. With low demand, prices plummeted. You could just as easily argue that demand drove prices low and now that demand is up due to people increasing travel, prices have risen. Simple economics explains the rise in prices.
The 38% retry rate from Trump's Title 42 policy can also been seen as a reason for the spike in border crossing rates. One year earlier, that number was just 7%. Does Biden get some culpability for being willing to protect children, sure. But there are arguments that the retry rate explains much of the increases.
And as for Afghanistan, supplying the Taliban with 5,000 fighters before we completed our withdrawal certainly added to the speed with which they were able to overwhelm the Afghan government forces. We have Pompeo and Trump to thank for giving the Taliban the strength to take over the country before Americans were fully withdrawn from the country.
Sure, judge Biden if any Americans are killed. But be sure to look on all the reasons and hold everyone culpable who had a hand in giving the Taliban the strength to commit such atrocity.
Each side can make their case for who gets the most blame and there's plenty of actions taken to do so. If all we want to do is point fingers all day, we can. You will think you're right, and we will think we are as well. No one will win this argument, I guarantee it.This statement is mostly false.
Average National Gasoline Price in November of 2019, before Covid, was only $2.19.
This statement is mostly false, hypothetical and unsubstantiated.
The year prior could have been just 7% because they weren't capturing and sending back illegal immigrants with the same effort and emphasis.
Biden's immediate reversal of all of Trump's border efforts sent the "open border" message to all people across the world, this is the primary reason why the number has grown into the high hundreds of thousands crossing every month. They come... because they know they will be allowed to cross.
Please, the country was collapsed in days because of 5,000 people?
A country that Biden has bragged had a well trained army of over 300,000 just a month prior to its complete collapse?
We will have to wait a while to see what this debacle of a exodus brings us, its too early to tell if this will merely be very bad optics with a few dozen tragic deaths as America fled... or if it develops into something much worse in the weeks ahead.This statement is mostly false.
Average National Gasoline Price in November of 2019, before Covid, was only $2.19.
Ok, so in a year where not as much volume was sold at the same price, gas companies would not want to raise prices when demand rose to offset the loss in 2020? Again, simple economics. So what you claim as false has the simplest of explanations if you understand how business works.
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This statement is mostly false, hypothetical and unsubstantiated.
The year prior could have been just 7% because they weren't capturing and sending back illegal immigrants with the same effort and emphasis.
Do more research, it's taken directly from government sources.
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'Please, the country was collapsed in days by 5,000 people?'
Do you really think that 5,000 was the whole of the Taliban? Why did we bother negotiating with them if they were all locked up?
The true number of Afghan soldiers and police reached roughly 200,000 as of 2019, according to several of the officials – including some who participated in training them. Biden either misspoke or exaggerated. "As opposed to a lack of resources, the collapse was more a product of feeling abandoned," says retired Army Gen. Joseph Votel, who led the headquarters overseeing all American operations in the Middle East until 2019, when current U.S. Central Command chief, Marine Gen. Frank McKenzie, took over.
By the time Biden was prepared to announce the U.S. withdrawal earlier this year, however, the number of uniformed Afghan forces had dropped to somewhere between 75,000 and 90,000 – a U.S. military and intelligence assessment that Biden had seen, these sources say. Perhaps more troubling, the assessments also concluded the Taliban strength had grown as high as 120,000.
As I've noted previously, the foregone conclusion was this agreement ensured the fall of the Afghan government. All US Intelligence sources understood it. That the violence occurred while we were leaving really doesn't change the fact that that same violence was going to happen at some point ever since Trump signed the agreement and Biden agreed to honor it. To deny that is to deny the reality of the numbers.
Someone with intelligence might have negotiated an agreement that denied the Taliban the right to take any territory UNTIL we had completely withdrawn from the country to ensure the safety of our people.I'll just let my comments stand on their own merits.
Just a dash of common sense and knowledge is all that is needed to understand the lack of validity in yours.If one had common sense and knowledge, I'd doubt they be on a public site, using their business identity, and backing the big lie. So, I'll sleep just fine with the arguments I've made.
"Mullah Abdul Ghani Baradar, the Taliban’s co-founder, is still part of its hierarchy and remains a key influence, even meeting with Chinese foreign minister Wang Yi in Tianjin, China, late last month to discuss the likely consequences of the American withdrawal."
Ken,
I found this excerpt from a yahoo article part of the Brits "Independent News", there is now evidence of some cooperation between China and the Taliban. You are vindicated as this has to be a cause for concern.
"That the violence occurred while we were leaving really doesn't change the fact that that same violence was going to happen at some point ever since Trump signed the agreement and Biden agreed to honor it. To deny that is to deny the reality of the numbers."
One big problem --- Biden did not follow or respect Trump's agreement. He was to be out by May 1, 2021...
I would like some form of explanation and source of how Biden kept to the agreement? Biden did not in any respect keep to the agreement. I would think as always he has sunk himself with lies. He should in no respect be using Trump's agreement for his ridiculous non-sensical decisions.
It can well be proven Biden ignored the agreement as he does anything that suits him.
You say violence would have occurred one way or the other --- I say it would not have under Trump. Trump took the initiative to get an agreement, he kept to the agreement. Biden just ignored a US agreement and did nothing to prevent this chaos.
Hopefully, he will be impeached. It is clear the CIA, the State Department, as well as the Military advisers told him of what was happening. Joe hide out and ignored all. And one thing is true the buck stops with him, and none of the above mentioned will defend his actions. The truth will win out.I never claimed Biden stuck to Trump's agreement - not ratified by Congress by the way. He was under no legal requirement to do so then, and was perfectly authorized to evaluate the pros and cons of honoring that agreement once he took office and after having his own national security team in place. Because this was like so many policies necessary from the executive branch in the last twelve years, they allow the next President to either honor them or scrap them.
Hence the delay as he got his people into national security positions and let them evaluate the agreement that was forced upon them by something Trump had four years to accomplish but waited until the end of his term to do. Your point about not sticking to the agreement's timeline doesn't seem to factor in what would happen if a newly elected and competent president were to take office.
You're naive then or fail to do any research of you think the Taliban would not have began attacking the Afghan government. All US Intelligence services agreed that the timeline would have been 18 months at the most before they took control of the government. Please go search out some facts on that, especially when the Taliban had 120,000 fighters to the Afghan government's 75,000-90,000 once Biden started to evaluate Trump's agreement.
If you're hoping for impeachment, it's clear you don't understand the process very well."I never claimed Biden stuck to Trump's agreement " Please let me quote you saying just that
I quote your comment ---- "That the violence occurred while we were leaving really doesn't change the fact that that same violence was going to happen at some point ever since Trump signed the agreement and Biden agreed to honor it. To deny that is to deny the reality of the numbers."
This appears to be saying that you felt Biden kept to the agreement...
It is very correct Biden did not have to stick to the agreement the United States Made in good faith with the Taliba. He was the new Commander And Chief. As I stated Biden did not keep the agreement. And ignored the problem, and did not plan a safe evacuation for the remaining troops as well as all the civilians that needed evacuating.
Trump directed Pompeo to formed a committee months before he left office to help with that plan, which Pompeo did. On June 11 2021 Biden took it upon himself to dismantle that committee. he did not replace it or even use the suggestions they could have provided. IMO Biden is a vindictive man and cut off his nose to spite his face.
In my view, Biden had no plan at all ... He has created a mess, that could have been avoided if he would have used common sense."Trump directed Pompeo to formed a committee months before he left office to help with that plan, which Pompeo did. " - NO, he didn't, the committee was never formed. They provided know "suggestions" that I know of.
"IMO Biden is a vindictive man and cut off his nose to spite his face." -
This is a good example of you trying to 'project" Trump on to Biden. Everybody, except BDS Biden-haters, knows vindictiveness is not a Biden characteristic while it is core to Trump's belief system. He even says so himself in his books.Please note the FACTs --- The Biden administration moved in June to dismantle a system designed to protect American citizens trapped abroad — just months before the Taliban took over Afghanistan, stranding thousands of Americans in the Central Asian country.
Fox News has obtained the June 11 memo sent around the State Department which gave the green light on the "discontinuation of the establishment, and the termination of, the Contingency and Crisis Response Bureau (CCR)."
The sensitive but unclassified memo was signed by Deputy Secretary of State Brian McKeon, just a couple of months before the Biden administration’s botched troop withdrawal that saw Afghanistan fall under Taliban control.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/bi … ar-AANtgkl
https://news.yahoo.com/biden-wh-memo-ta … 36014.html
Good morning and welcome to Fox News First. Here's what you need to know as you start your day …
Biden WH memo before Taliban takeover sought to lift protections for Americans trapped abroad
The Biden administration moved in June to dismantle a system designed to protect American citizens trapped abroad — just months before the Taliban took over Afghanistan, stranding thousands of Americans in the Central Asian country.
Fox News has obtained the June 11 memo sent around the State Department that gave the green light to the "discontinuation of the establishment, and the termination of, the Contingency and Crisis Response Bureau (CCR)."
The sensitive but unclassified memo was signed by Deputy Secretary of State Brian McKeon, just a couple of months before the Biden administration’s botched troop withdrawal that saw Afghanistan fall under Taliban control.
CCR was formed under Trump-era Secretary of State Mike Pompeo and was tasked with providing "aviation, logistics, and medical support capabilities for the Department's operational bureaus, thereby enhancing the secretary's ability to protect American citizens overseas in connection with overseas evacuations in the aftermath of a natural or man-made disaster."
The bureau could have played a role in the response to the Taliban’s takeover of Afghanistan, where thousands of American citizens and allies are trapped behind terrorist lines.
PLEASE offer proof of your opinion that the committee was never formed.
MY gosh talk about projecting --- I have offered these links once again... I guess at this point I can just say --- belief what you please. Very odd mindset I must say, you seem to just feel you can dispute any and all facts.
I can see your baiting ...
I prefer to not communicate any further with you. On any subject... Bye
Interesting. I just took the Michael Smerconish poll which asked
Was the situation in Afghanistan today inevitable or the result of policy making mistakes?
The choices were "It was inevitable" or "A result of policy-making mistakes" (without saying whose).
I chose the second one for several reasons having to do with both Trump and Biden. Out of 17,000 votes so far, the consensus is that it was "inevitable" - 2/3 to 1/3.
Now, I made the assumption he was talking about what is happening with the evacuation. If he was asking about the Taliban takeover in general, I think I would have answered the same since America could have chosen to stay had we had the will and guts.
More news that Biden's recovery plan is working, much to the consternation of Conservatives.
- Retail sales are significantly above pre-pandemic levels
- FRED Atlanta is predicting a nice 6.1% GDP 3rd Q growth, which continues the sustained growth numbers of 6.2% and 6.5% the previous quarters
- 943,000 jobs were added in July.
- Unemployment is 5.4% in July, down from 10.2% a year ago and 6.3% when he took over, It is below the historic average.In terms of the rising gun violence that one of our far-right whiners will undoubtedly bring up to try and turn the narrative to a negative:
Chicago, which had seen homicides fall below 500 in the early 2010s, saw them jump to 770 in 2020, though not to its historic 1974 high of 970 homicides.
New York City saw more than 2,200 killings in a single year in 1990, compared with 468 last year, according to city data. In the bigger picture, that’s a nearly 80% decrease.
Los Angeles saw more than 1,000 homicides a year in the early 1990s, compared with fewer than 350 last year.
But what’s happening with homicides is not part of some broader “crime wave.” In fact, many crimes, from larcenies to robberies to rape, dropped during the pandemic, and continued to fall during the first few months of 2021. “Crime” is not surging. Even the broader category of “violent crime” only increased about 3% last year, according to the preliminary FBI data from a large subset of cities. It’s homicide in particular that has increased, even as other crimes fell.
Homicide rates were higher during every month of 2020 – even before pandemic-related shutdowns started in March, the analysis found. But there was also a “structural break” in the data in June, indicating “a large, statistically significant increase” in the homicide rate, around the same time as the mass protests that followed the murder of George Floyd.
A study from UC Davis will look to link the spike in gun purchases during the early months of the pandemic with a nearly 8% increase in gun violence from March through May, or 776 additional fatal and nonfatal shooting injuries nationwide. The researchers found that states that had lower levels of violent crime pre-Covid saw a stronger connection between additional gun purchases and more gun violence.
Community groups say that the pandemic forced them to shutter prevention programs, and created huge challenges for the work of violence interrupters, who rely on close relationships and in-person interventions with people at risk of shooting or being shot.
So it appears there are many factors that have led to the rise in homicides, starting back in 2020. But when the right claims it's historic, they seem to be oblivious to the 1990's and 1970's.
And here's a stat from this year: In the first quarter of 2021, homicides rose by 23% compared to last year. In the second quarter, they rose by just 10%. The rates for other major criminal offenses—includes robberies, residential burglaries, larceny, non-residential burglaries and drug offenses—have also declined compared to 2020."Chicago, which had seen homicides fall below 500 in the early 2010s, saw them jump to 770 in 2020, though not to its historic 1974 high of 970 homicides."
I don't think it's reasonable to compare figures from 1974 to those in 2020 and declare that 2020 was better so all is not bad. After 44 years of working on the problem we certainly should see a decrease - the comparison to 2010 is a much more realistic one.
I ran into this when researching for the article on gun violence: Australia confiscated all semi-automatic guns and look! Homicides went down! Unsaid is that it took over 10 years of falling at the same slow rate it already was before the gun buyback to see any real change in that rate. 10 years of effort, 10 years of additional programs, 10 years of a changing population demographics, but all of that is set aside in favor of "It worked!".
So it's not realistic, IMO, to compare something from the far past to today and ignore all the changes in decades of effort to correct a problem."I don't think it's reasonable to compare figures from 1974 to those in 2020 and declare that 2020 was better so all is not bad. " - WHY? Your side has successfully fought off most of the safety measures that were implemented back then. For example, the assault weapons ban Biden brought about saw a major decrease in mass killings only to increase again when your side allowed people to start buying them again.
"Homicides went down! Unsaid is that it took over 10 years of falling at the same slow rate it already was before the gun buyback to see any real change in that rate." - YOU will have to provide the link that backs that claim up for it to be believed.
"So it's not realistic, IMO, to compare something from the far past to today and ignore all the changes in decades of effort to correct a problem." - AND I repeat, your side made sure access to guns by almost anybody has not changed very much over the intervening years."WHY?"
If you didn't understand the explanation, or don't think that changes were made over that 45 year span, I don't what else to say.
Yes, access to guns has not changed radically over the years. Except that it is much harder to buy a gun, much more expensive, and the efforts continue to ban common hunting rifles. But whatever; the efforts to disarm the public does not, and will not, do anything to curb the violence inherent in our country. Until we actually address that we will not significantly reduce the death toll. As Australia found out; taking away all those "assault rifles" and murderers simply turned to other methods (the common match became popular). Same as they will here, regardless of how many times "your side" claims that without their preferred tool killers will no longer kill.
You don't think it reasonable, then tell your friends on the right to stop using the term historically bad when talking about the homicide rates. That was my argument, which, as usual, you fail to understand.
In Australia, the guns were taken to prevent mass shootings - which ceased immediately.As they did, for the most part, in America after the assault weapons ban. An no, Wilderness, people didn't find new ways to commit mass killings after their favorite took was taken away. Also, you can't get away from the fact that states with loose gun safety laws have higher death by gun rates. It is simply a fact.
Sorry, Eso, but you have again glossed over a really major point; that areas with the strongest gun laws (such as Chicago, NYC, etc.) have the highest homicide rate of all. Even the highest homicide by gun rate.
But shouldn't mention, that right?By city is too granular a level and the population base is too small. That is why you have to use state level data.
Besides, lets see where your example cites fall on the most deadly:
1, St, Louis, MO (easy gun laws)
2. Baltimore , MD (tough gun laws)
3. Birmingham, AL (easy gun laws)
4. Detroit, MI (easy gun laws)
5. Dayton, OH (easy gun laws)
6. Baton Rouge, LA (easy gun laws)
7. New Orleans, LA (easy gun laws)
8. Kansas City, MO (easy gun laws)
9. Memphis, TN (easy gun laws)
10. Cleveland, OH (easy gun laws)
Damn, your examples didn't even make the top ten deadliest cities. I wonder why. So where do they fall?
13. Washington D.C.(lots of straw sales from Virginia with easy gun laws)
That's it. NYC and Chicago, your favorite go-tos, don't even rank in the top 64!!
As you peruse this list you will see that virtually all of the most deadliest cities are in states with Easy Gun Laws - which shoots your theory all to hell.
So NO, " that areas with the strongest gun laws (such as Chicago, NYC, etc.) have the highest homicide rate of all. " is not even close to being true.
https://www.cbsnews.com/pictures/murder … -cities/3/
"In Australia, the guns were taken to prevent mass shootings - which ceased immediately."
I doubt that the dead, whether burned to death, poisoned or bludgeoned to death, care whether they were shot. Neither do the surviving families. Still, it IS a major talking point of the left; far better to die of arson than a bullet, so we have to disarm everyone."I doubt that the dead, whether burned to death, poisoned or bludgeoned to death, care whether they were shot." - Of course that is a red herring since it has nothing to do with whether the assault weapon by-back program reduced mass killings - which it did.
I guess it is possible that you are claiming that all of the people that didn't die by mass shootings all died by other means, lol.I researched the people dying from "massacres" (Aussie term for mass murder), comparing the 20 years prior to the gun buyback to the 20 years after. Did you?
(As I recall there were perhaps 2 more people dying AFTER the buyback than before. I think you can find figures in Wiki, but might have to go to the Aussie govt. sites.)You made me look - and this is what I found.
"In the two decades following the reforms, the annual rate of gun deaths fell from 2.9 per 100,000 in 1996 to 0.9 per 100,000 in 2016."
That is from https://theconversation.com/factcheck-q … alia-85836
That said, as it relates to statistical analysis done on the by-back program (as a stand-in for general gun reform during that period) is muddled. I would have to look at the analyses themselves to measure them against what I see in the first of the charts.
What I see here is a major fall off in gun related suicides and homicides in the two years following the beginning of the gun buy-back. After that, the declines appear to match the rate that was established prior to the buy-back. The article does not explain that initial drop. But, I can see from the charts why the subsequent analyses could be muddled.
I also notice within a couple of years after the program ended, the rate of death by gun decreased substantially. That was not addressed as well.
The article also mentions the Victoria case where that state implemented very strong gun-safety laws in 1988. The conclusion was "A 2004 study found “a significant downward trend” in firearm related deaths between 1988 and 1995 in Victoria compared with the rest of Australia. Following the National Firearms Agreement in 1996, “similar strong declines occurred in the rest of Australia”.
Of great interest to me is a 2010 study that was done across states, similar to the one published here. Like mine, it showed that -
The study found a “statistically significant decline in firearm deaths in states with higher firearm buyback rates”. There was a similar effect for firearm homicide rates, though this was less robust due to the small number of firearm homicide deaths to begin with.
That was the same result I got using the strength of U.S. state gun-safety laws rather than buy-backs.
And then there is the point Valeant made - not one mass shooting since the buyback program. Compared that to the USA where assault weapons are ubiquitous -
[i[But that record will probably fall in 2021. To date, the number of mass shootings in the country is 20 percent higher than where we were in 2020, which itself was 30 percent higher than the previous high.[/i]
This year’s incidents have also been deadlier than in 2020. Nearly 370 people have died in mass shootings in 2021, nearly 50 percent more than at the same point a year ago.
The country is averaging 109 deaths for every 100 incidents. At this point last year, every 100 mass shootings had yielded 85 deaths.
In the 7 months since the beginning of the year, there have 411 mass shootings. That is an average of 58.7 per month - compared to zero in Australia."In the two decades following the reforms, the annual rate of gun deaths fell from 2.9 per 100,000 in 1996 to 0.9 per 100,000 in 2016."
As is almost inevitable when discussing gun control with those wishing to disarm the country, they switch from "deaths" to "gun deaths". However, the question remains the same; did the homicide rate go down when Australia took the guns away, and the answer is a resounding NO, whether talking of mass murders (the topic you say they solved) or single murders (it fell, but at the same rate it had been at for years). Once more, neither the victim nor the survivors care one iota whether the corpse has a bullet hole, burns or even a lethal poison; what matters is that they were murdered, and Australia accomplished absolutely nothing towards limiting the murder rate. Only the rate at which bodies were found with bullet holes.
So go back and look again, this time at the homicide rate, not at the gun homicide rate. Then look at what it was doing the previous few years, and the following few years. Consider that the entire buyback was accomplished in one year and ask yourself why the decrease in homicide rate did not speed up. Ask why it took a decade to see anything but the same steady, slow decrease that was seen before the buyback."As is almost inevitable when discussing gun control with those wishing to disarm the country, they switch from "deaths" to "gun deaths"." - IT IS YOU is switching things. The topic WAS deaths from guns. That is why they did what they did.
Which gets to this comment - you obviously didn't read what I wrote.
"A study from UC Davis will look to link the spike in gun purchases during the early months of the pandemic with a nearly 8% increase in gun violence from March through May, or 776 additional fatal and nonfatal shooting injuries nationwide." - MY RESEARCH, which I published here, shows a definite correlation between loose gun safety laws and the number of people killed by guns.
I don't know if the data is available yet (the gun lobby tries to suppress it) by I would be interested to know the distribution of recent gun sales by state as comparted to 1) the laxness of the gun safety laws and 2) the change in death rate by gun.
"Unemployment is 5.4% in July, down from 10.2% a year ago and 6.3% when he took over, It is below the historic average."
You forgot to mention that it is still well above what Trump produced.And I didn't mention that it was above Obama's final numbers either.
And everybody forgets that Trump's final numbers were just a continuation of what Obama started. He didn't increase the rate of decline established by Obama. At the end, btw, the decreases stopped.. And then came Covid,
The point was that even in the midst of a pandemic, Biden has brought unemployment to below the historic average.
BTW, studies now show that all the Red states did by cutting of unemployment early was hurt their citizens. There was no statistical difference in unemployment between states the cut the funding and those that didn't."And everybody forgets that Trump's final numbers were just a continuation of what Obama started."
And Biden's are just a continuation of what Trump had, too!
Actually that is not true since Trump handed Biden a pandemic much worse than it should have been.
Obama handed Trump a strong, stable economy.
Now that I mention it:
Eisenhower handed Kennedy a poor economy
Johnson handed Nixon a war and an OK economy
Nixon-Ford handed Carter a poor economy
Carter handed Reagan an unstable economy
Bush handed Clinton a recession
Clinton handed Bush decreasing debt and a strong, but no longer growing economy
Bush handed Obama the Great 2008 Recession
Obama hand Trump a strong stable economy
Trump handed Biden a pandemic much worse than it ought to have been.
Can you see a pattern there??
I think we should look at the big picture of the moment.
Joe Biden... obvious cognitive decline has set in, he was clearly under duress and unable to handle the crisis (media, decision making) in Afghanistan.
Kamala Harris... incompetent and incapable of handling as simple a task as traveling to Guatemala and Mexico without turning it into a fiasco.
And sitting behind the two of them, in the number three spot, is Nancy Pelosi.
Never in the history of America, has the country had such inept, incogitative leadership.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D4LiLjHawUsIf those three are "leadership" I'm Santa Claus!
While the characterization of Biden is obviously false, you did fail to mention the King of the inept - Donald Trump and his very corrupt administration. His makes Grant's administration look absolutely law-abiding. At least he got to be King of Inept since he failed to become America's first king.
Esoteric, you should not be so hard on US Grant , a military genius, a man of great character who simply was not as effective as a President or administrator.
Grant did not recognize the unscrupulous in his midst during his administration while Trump was part and parcel of the very thing that Grant merely could not recognize.
Grant was a man of honor and character, that is not Trump.
There is no comparable precedent for a Donald Trump at any time during the history of the presidency.
He was the worst of the worst, adding malevolence to his ineffectiveness. He is the only former president that has absolutely nothing to redeem him in the eyes of history.
So, go easy on President Grant, he deserves better than to be compared with a man like Donald Trump.....
I would consider Andrew Johnson as a "distant" second, though.Actually, I was talking about his administration, not Grant personally. What I have read about him in history shows him to be an honorable and capable man. But, he was a terrible at hiring honest men to work for him.
If I were to rank presidents, I would put Trump next to last and Johnson dead last, at least in terms of doing harm to the country. Johnson undid virtually everything Lincoln achieved in trying to bring America together.
It took 100 years to undo the damage Johnson did to racial equality. And ever since 1964, conservatives have been trying to get back to 1884.
Exactly, I second that, saying if this is "leadership", I am a trillionaire.
AND With "Joe Biden... obvious cognitive decline has set in," - any sensible person stops reading because what is to follow will be equally non-sensical.
Yes truth and reality are something many in America hide from.
It has become an art form for many older Americans."Yes truth and reality are something many in America hide from." - You are definitely right - they are called Trumpers.
If that is what you are calling yourself these days, so be it.
That is you, not me - I deal in reality and truth - something Trumpers disdain.
Really??? Anyone who believes that Biden is doing great things for this country isn't living in reality. Biden has created fiasco ad infinitum since he took office. Biden has.....got TO GO.
From you perspective I can see how you think that. If BIden can't screw up America as bad as Trump did, then he isn't doing the job you want him to do. You want to bring back the dictator and anti-American troll.
Afghanistan - withdrawal created in 2020
Inflation - 30% of all US currency printed in a single year, 2020. Goods cease to be produced due to horrible response to pandemic, demand exists now that economy is open
Murder - Started rising in June 2020 after the George Floyd incident
Border - Same numbers as 2019 when you count the 38% who retry to enter after just being turned away by Title 42 that was created in, you guessed it, 2020. Not created, just a continuation.
The case can easily be made that all of these things you call fiasco ad infinitum were created prior to 2021 and Biden is tasked with cleaning up after they were caused. The person who created all this had to go, and 81 million of us took care of that.You can make those excuses for Biden.
Or you can accept the reality that this is the most corrupt and incompetent Administration in our Nation's history, and sadly this can be seen before we even hit the one year mark.
It only gets worse from here with Biden running the country. Time will prove this out in abundance."Or you can accept the reality that this is the most corrupt and incompetent Administration in our Nation's history, " - YES, you are right for a change, Trump's administration was the most corrupt in our history with record numbers being indicted and going to jail. Thanks for pointing that out.
And YES, Trump made it much easier for Biden to make a bad decision to withdraw for sure.
Even though Trump was going to leave our Afghan allies to perish at the hands of the Taliban (just like he did with our Kurdish allies at the hands of the Turks), I will admit Biden bears 100% of the responsibility of HOW he conducted the withdrawal.
At the very least, Biden could have put the 6,000 troops back into Afghanistan that Trump stupidly took out and then conducted the kind of withdrawal and evacuation he finally got around to doing in the last week or so. In my scenario, the Taliban wouldn't be in control yet.
Better yet, Trump could have included the Afghan gov't in his cave-in to the Taliban plan and not undermined them. (Soon after Trump signed that agreement is when the Afghan army started dissipating and the Taliban began making great gains.)Who is making excuses? I am simply noting when these problems began since the claim was they just started.
Murder rates have dropped, unemployment rates have dropped, the death rate from Covid has dropped, no Americans have been killed by the Taliban in the Afghanistan withdrawal, Stock market is near all time highs, a bipartisan infrastructure deal has been passed, stimulus was passed in half the time it took the previous administration.
If all of that is incompetence, perhaps there is just a misunderstanding about the definition of the word. I would say siding with the country that attacked our democracy or inciting an insurrection against your own government sets the bar much higher for a claim of the 'most corrupt administration in our nation's history.'
The only thing getting worse is the far-right's distance from actual reality.I would have put a period after "... far-right".
AMEN, the Democratic Party is devolving into the toilet. The Democratic Party is quite laughable now. It is a party going towards its destruction Ken.
And what do you have to say about the Republican Party that has almost totally disappeared having been sucked into lies and conspiracy theories?
Biden’s 17 GREATEST Achievements So Far!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Eq_wELID80cSince you said nothing, you must be very embarrassed about the dismal failure of the Republican party to act responsibly and for participating in a twice impeached, single-term, disgraced, mentally ill Trump's Big Lie that is destabilizing, if not destroying, American democracy.
Saw it. Couldn't have said it better. Biden is a fiasco. Biden is the second Obumler. In fact, he is 100X worse than Obama. Whoever voted for Biden is a stone cold------------------(you name the word). It proves how ----------the American people clearly are.
Stone cold....patriot. It proves how...able to see through a lying grifter...the American people clearly are.
When you look at the long term trajectory of the Nation, its policies, its politics it is an almost seamless arc from Bush to Clinton to Bush to Obama.
Things did get rocky with Obama, this is true, ramming the Affordable Care Act through when initial polls showed over 70% of all Americans did not want it and over 80% did not trust Congress to do the right thing.
It never got better after that... his political capital was essentially spent on the ACA and a couple gaffes like telling Republicans "They can come for the ride, but they gotta sit in back."
A little arrogance goes a long way toward riling up the opposition's base... just look at how good Trump was at riling up people, there are literally millions of Americans with very real mental health issues that may never recover... they will go to their graves with Trump on their brains.
Got off track, the point is the Nation moved forward with things like NAFTA, China's 'favored nation' status, Middle East wars, almost as if there was NO change in Presidents... until Trump.
Trump put a stop to China's Free Ride, he re-did NAFTA, he pulled back from further military actions in the Middle East, he pulled out of the bad-for-Americans Paris Accord and Global Compact on Migration.
Trump was DIFFERENT... Trump put the Nation ahead of others, be they the UN, China, NATO, etc.
And now... in place of Trump... we have a Mentally Deteriorating Puppet President backed up by a completely incompetent and incapable VP running the nation. The whole world knows it... everyone knows it... except the devotedly loyal "Leftists" that refuse to see.Twice impeached, one-term, failed, and mentally ill Trump NEVER put anything, let alone the Nation, ahead of himself. And that is a FACT. And those that fall for him are no better than the Brown Shirts that followed an earlier mentally ill, self-obsessed dictator on which Trump patterned himself.
Exactly.
NAFTA changes were very minor. His tariffs with China simply decimated the US agricultural market as China went elsewhere for their products.
While pulling out of the middle east was a positive, he literally abandoned our Kurdish allies and then excluded the Afghan government from negotiations with the Taliban - sending a message that the US could no longer be counted on in future endeavors as both allies were summarily crushed.
He didn't put the US ahead of others, he withdrew American influence internationally, while making us a laughingstock in the eyes of other world leaders. One who was a puppet to his own business interests in Turkey, the Middle East, and Russia.Yes, yes, clearly those Trump supporters were marching street to street, pulling people out of their houses, burning businesses... oh wait, those things were happening in 2020, but it wasn't Trump supporters doing it.
I love how when you are slapped in the face with some reality in these forums, you revert to rambling on about Trump, Trumpsters, etc.
Trump is no longer the focus... he was mentioned in that post merely to show the road we took to get where we are today.
Defending Biden now, is no better than defending Trump in 2020.
I did not defend Trump in 2020, he made a series of decisions that were not ideal for America, and he did not handle the Pandemic very well... not that he had any support from the media or DC insiders.
But Trump has nothing to do with Biden's mental deterioration today... Trump has nothing to do with Harris being completely incompetent and unfit for the position of VP... let alone, heaven help the world if it happens, the Presidency.
Just because it was time to move on from Trump... does not make Biden a good option or a good President.
Someone with some honesty and objectivity can say that it was time to move on from Trump... but moving on to Biden was a horrible choice that the country is going to pay dearly for.Slapped in the face with reality? More like slapped with a failure to understand how Trump went about dismantling the United States government and undermining the rule of law.
Now we have a government using its resources to follow the science of Covid, even as many resist clearly effective measures to curb the pandemic. A government that can actually pass bipartisan items that address the needs of the country such as infrastructure.
If moving on to another Democratic presidency, after seeing record job growth during the last one, seems like a horrible choice, I'll make that choice every time.LOL Trump produces the lowest unemployment in decades, and the lowest black unemployment ever and it's at best it was "Well, it's because of Obama's efforts to hamstring business that we have so many jobs". For the most part, though it wasn't mentioned at all - keep it quiet lest people figure out that Trump actually DID something for the country.
Now we allow tens of thousands of business to re-open after forcibly closing them for a year and shout to the heavens of the record job growth Biden produced because people went back to work.
It's comical. It really is.Trump 'produced?' He took office with an unemployment rate of 4.2%. Obama produced him to all but .7% of that low of 3.5% after starting at 10% when he inherited Bush's cratering economy. Trump's tax cut for businesses likely got the extra .7%, at the expense of raising the national debt as those tax increases did not pay for themselves as promised. So a .2% drop per year average, paid for with borrowed money, before seeing it rise to 14.8% in April of 2020, an eleven point increase due to pretending that Covid did not exist.
Another misunderstanding of what I said. What a shocker. I was speaking of the record job growth the country saw during Obama's term (you know, as I said during the last Democratic presidency), then compared to the net negative job creation Trump had due to his complete mismanagement of Covid. Not to mention Obama's job numbers had already been proven to be better than Trump's in the three years prior to Covid. Your failure to be able to understand that point is the comical part. It really is. That Democratic policies have tended to lead to better job growth.That's what I said; the lowest black unemployment in the history of the nation was due to Obama's actions in hampering businesses - never to Trump's efforts.
You make my point for me, while managing to blame Trump for COVID at the same time. It really is comical.Comical is the ability to give sole credit to the white guy who lowered black unemployment by just 2%, while ignoring and discounting the efforts of the black guy who lowered it 9.3%. It takes a special kind of comic to do that.
I suspect in his fantasy world, 2% is greater than 9.3%. That is the only way his logic can work.
BTW, Obtuse is saying you said Trump was responsible for Covid while the TRUTH is you said Trump was responsible for "Mismanaging" it (and making it worse than it should have been). It seems that little differences like that are beyond Trump supporters understanding.
Obtuse - Trump supporters are the definition of Obtuse.
You have to realize, some people you debate with are fully vested in a particular ideology (Political Party).
These people only take their information from biased "news" outlets and agencies that fully support their beliefs (Political Party).
They denigrate anyone that tries to bring up other information, no matter what its sources, or if they can't, because those facts are too solid, they revert to name calling and labeling the individual(s) providing the information.
You cannot change their minds, you cannot win the debate... people like this aren't necessarily delusional (though some clearly are) but they are so vested into their ideology, it is part of who they are, they don't just identify with it, they identify as it... quite literally akin to how religious fanatics think.
It takes a certain type of mind to believe, for example, that when you die in an effort to kill others you will go to heaven and be rewarded with 72 virgins.
For those of us dealing with reality, we know a few things... such as being "rewarded" with 72 virgins may not be that pleasant, this is likely something only a virgin man could think is a good thing... those of us who have had a few relationships or marriage in life, probably aren't too keen on the idea of having 72.
Anyway, what I am trying to relate to you is that there are certain people in these forums with a perspective that has no compromise, they will not consider facts presented with a critical eye toward their own beliefs.
They are here merely to attack and disparage any other fact, opinion, or belief counter to their own... much like someone who is fanatical enough to fight for a belief that promises them 72 virgins.Some think that everyone but them get their information only from mainstream media. Meanwhile, we're over here quoting official Bureau of Labor Stats to prove our cases.
While not in a political party, they clearly relish the downfall of the American government, and why they support someone who was successful at undermining the rule of law and the Intelligence services of the United States.Hey, the right-wing Trump supporters don't believe official Bureau of Labor stats. They would rather believe Rush Limbaugh speaking from the grave.
I will give the benefit of the doubt and say they are the unwitting pawns of Russian propaganda - but pawns they are. They see a Putin Propaganda Post and amplify it ad infinitum.You and Val should become Biden's new advisors, he could use the help.
The positive way you view what is unfolding under Biden is commendable.I'm just here to make sure you, Mike, and Sharlee don't get arrested for assaulting police officers at the Capitol in 2022 based on a bunch of lies that someone tried to use all the way back in 2016 and were already proven false. Who would sell me the real estate down in Florida when I retire if that were to happen?
I guess Ken hasn't read what we wrote and is just gaslighting again.
It's pretty clear that Ken not only read your comments but offered very pertinent replies. It's also clear he has researched his thoughts. Very hard to debate someone that possesses such an innate intelligence. Glad to say I always respect the knowledge he offers in his comments.
You wanna know what continues to annoy me about right wing types?
You are quick to give Biden ALL the blame for the evacuation problems in Afghanistan, yet in an improving economic environment, Trump deserves ALL the credit?
Trump: a soiled angel who can never do wrong?Probably because liberals have done nothing in decades to improve the economic environment. Increasing taxes, hobbling business with rules, driving American business offshore...such things do not improve the economic environment, but it's all liberals can come up with.
At least it's all they can come up with of a lasting nature. We can always improve the economy, short term, by printing a bunch more money and giving it away. Liberals ARE happy to do that, but only fools think it is a viable solution for long term economic growth.That's what you say, Wilderness, I don't agree with that and definitely don't buy it. I am not going to let you have it both ways, without your being called out on it.
Fair enough - I realize and accept that you have very socialistic leanings and (mostly) approve of handing money out. I disagree with that, of course, and that's shown in my post.
I WILL grant you that liberals have (mostly) been the driving force in equality for everyone...but I will also state that they have gone overboard even in that worthy endeavor.Better going overboard than the conservative penchant for taking peoples liberties away (or not letting them have the liberties in the first place) from all but the favored class, which in America is white, Protestant males. In the conservative world, all but that favored group are second class citizens looked down upon by the Christian god.
I see you are silent on the proof I offered showing Republicans do a terrible job at economics. Always have and always will."I WILL grant you that liberals have (mostly) been the driving force in equality for everyone."
I believe that is the very essence of our existence as a society. Without this, America and the ideals it was to be founded upon is nothing more than a sham.
If there is to be excess, I certainly know from which direction that I would prefer to have it come.
I "handed out" over 2 trillion dollars in Afghanistan, what do I have to show for it?They gave up on Equality of Opportunity a long time ago... mostly because it had been attained so they moved on to Equity for all... which is far different and wrong for a world where most people are still working hard for everything they get.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jnOUFS3lUpE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bIGr-mdjPZg"mostly because it (equality) had been attained" - it has been attained only in the eyes of conservatives. To the rest of the world, America is still a pretty racist nation - because of those same conservatives.
I guess Wilderness hasn't learned anything through these forums if he makes a false statement like "Probably because liberals have done nothing in decades to improve the economic environment."
The FACT is, ever since FDR, the so-called "liberals" have produced better economies than Republican administrations, whether they be moderates like Eisenhower or idiots like Trump.
By almost any measure you want to take, since 1935 Democrats have far outperformed Republicans economics. Even the 1937 recession was due to applying conservative economic theory to the recovery from the Great Depression.
Prior to and including the Great Depression, there was basically no "liberal" economics other than the many decades fight over a central bank. As a result of following conservative economic theory, America found itself bouncing from one massive recession, depression, or panic to another. Something like 1 big one every 5 - 7 years.
Once liberal economics became a thing starting in the late 1940s, America experience ZERO big economic downturns until the Republican Great 2008 Recession and then the Pandemic Recession of 2020 (which Trump made worse).
I'll repeat something I posted here a few days ago.
Eisenhower (R) left Kennedy (D) a recession
Nixon-Ford (R) left Carter (D) a recession
Bush 1(R) left Clinton (D) a recession
Bush 2 (R) almost left Obama (D) a Depression
Trump (R) left Biden (D) a recession.
With the possible exception of Carter (if you stretch the timeline a bit) NO Democrat left a Republican a recession. Isn't that amazing?
Then there is this on jobs - Democrats have consistently outperformed Republicans on creating jobs.
Oh yes, how about this.
Kennedy-Johnson: Longest economic expansion on record up to that point
Clinton: Longest economic expansion on record up to that point PLUS a decline in federal debt
Obama: Longest economic expansion on record up the that point, even before Trump took office and continued Obama's economy until 2020
Now, Wilderness, do you want to still make the false statement that "Probably because liberals have done nothing in decades to improve the economic environment. "?The 1950s was one of the most economically prosperous times in America dear man. Stop drinking that kool aid, man. I told you to stop living in Ozland.
More gaslighting. It was the 1960s that was the most prosperous up until that time.
If the 1950s were so prosperous then explain the 2.6%, 3.7% and 1.6% contractions that occurred during those 10 years before Kennedy assumed office.
What I drink is the TRUTH, while your side drinks gallons of Kool Aid. Saying we do is just projecting your problems on to those who live in a world of FACTS.
We are looking at two different subjects, are we not. Yes, it appears in regard to the two subjects I have piled on Biden.
My reasoning on both --- Biden is the president at this point, he is responsible for decisions in regard to this present crisis in Afghanistan. I can see this morning the White House has claimed Biden listened to them. So, at this point, I will need to wait and see if that is true. Although it seems very unlikely that the Military would have given such poor advice. But I have faith an investigation will take place, and in the end, we will be provided facts.
My comments in regard to the economy are just my opinion. I have made it no secret that I felt the Trump economy would just resurface once we reopened from the lockdowns. I have not found any real proof that Biden has created any new Jobs. Or take any steps to make the economy better. We have people returning to the jobs they had when the lockdown occurred. I feel Trump had a good economy before the pandemic, and feel it is for lack of a better word --- awakening. plain and simple. Biden has just not as of yet done anything that could be attributed to the current economy IMO.
I don't make it a habit to defend Trump if I feel he is wrong.
However, I appreciated his job performance, I felt him a good problem solver, I personally felt very safe under Trump. I can honestly say, I do not feel safe under Biden, I feel he is incapable of problem-solving, and in my view, his job performance is the worst I have ever witnessed in my lifetime.
I realize we differ in our opinions. I certainly am not hell-bent on putting mine above yours. I have no problem being referred to
for leaning right I must share that I have noted some that lean left has the habit of not debating but assuming and assigning thoughts to us on the right.He has been in office for 8 months and yet he is subject to such condemnation?
There is no way that a policy, engagement in Afghanistan, in practice for over 20 years, when it fails can be blamed exclusively on any one administration.
Was President Ford responsible for the Vietnam War because he presided over the fall of Saigon?
Obama had a good economy before Trump took over, does he get any credit?In my view Biden invites condemnation. He has on numerous occasions stated when asked a question stated -- "I will get in trouble if I answer that". He repeatedly blames others for his mistakes and offers mistruths. These qualities IMO present weakness and can lead to mistrust.
Yes, he has been in office for a short time, and in that short time has due to his own actions created many serious problems. For example, the border crisis that to this day is just out of control, and his ineptness in solving this problem has caused not only short-term problems but will cause long-term problems for America and American's. I need not list the many mistakes that his poor decisions have led to in the current Afganastan issue. This is my view is inexcusable and he needs to either step down or be removed. He is incapable of doing the job of a
president.
I do not blame Biden for the previous president's decisions or the war in Afghanistan --- I blame him for the decisions he put forth in a very illogical plan to pull out of Afghanistan. I can't imagine how doing it all in a reverse fashion could have worked... More and more has been coming out on how he ignored military advisers, dismantled a committee that was working on the evacuation plan in June. that Trump had put together to work on the problems that could occur during the evacuation. Biden has proven time and time again, that he is in my view vindictive, this has become a visible problem on many occasions.
I think I offered the proper amount of credit in regard to the economy under Obama. To be fair I think one needs to look at the charts.
Food stamps
Economic growth (GDP)
Household income
U.S. government debt
Gas prices
Home prices
The stats in much of the case speak for themself. I think my calling the Obama economy flat until 2014 was kind.
