What are the Great Things President Joe Biden Has Done While President
This is, of course, an open question since he has just started his four years, but since the RINO Party is already saying defeating Covid and growing the economy is a disaster, I thought I would start a thread that proves them wrong.
I just listed two things he has done:
- Got America well on its way to putting the pandemic behind us
- Started the economy growing again. Already he has decreased the Public Debt to GDP ratio from Trump's historic high of 131% to 127% in the span of three months.
- First time unemployment claims are at pandemic lows for several weeks running now.Total nonfarm payroll employment rose by 266,000 in April, Hopefully, May's numbers will improve. Many states have removed the Bidens $300.00 incentive not to return to work. So we have a chance of seeing better numbers.
Inflation speeds up in April as consumer prices leap 4.2%, fastest since 2008 We are in a recession. at this point. Gas prices souring, as well as consumer goods. It will be interesting to see if our economy corrects these problems. However, I bet not. https://www.cnbc.com/2021/05/12/consume … -2021.html
Not sure why you feel Joe gets a gold star for his handling of COVID?
I give total credit toTrump's Operation Warp Speed that has been truly the ones handling the Vaccine rollout. Not one of that teak was canned when Biden took office.
He also has lost his bid to have the Jan 6th protest investigated by Congress.
Then there is the border problem with drugs and migrants pouring at a record-breaking rate. More fentanyl collected by border patrol in the first four months than all of 2020. Need I mention 22 thousand unaccompanied children we are now responsible for.
Not sure you should have not waited a bit before celebrating Biden's first few months in office. He is failing on every count."Many states have removed the Bidens $300.00 incentive not to return to work. So we have a chance of seeing better numbers." - Florida is one of those states and has a severe problem of hiring in "fast food" type businesses. The enhanced unemployment ends mid-June.
I am open to believing that it maybe responsible for the hiring problems. I also would not be surprised if it is other reasons some say. Come July 1, we should know.
As to the recession - Reuters reports this:
"The U.S. economy is growing at its fastest rate since the early 1980s while household bank accounts are bulging with cash doled out by the federal government to blunt the impact of the coronavirus pandemic.
Over 900,000 jobs were added in March and a Reuters poll of economists expects just under one million more for April, although some forecasters expect double that gain.
Is the United States still in recession?"
But then follows up with this - "Common sense and a lot of data say no, but the Business Cycle Dating Committee, a panel organized by the National Bureau of Economic Research that acts as the official arbiter of U.S. recessions, has not yet pinned down an end date for the contraction it said started after February 2020, around the onset of the pandemic"
My guess is the NBER will declare an end to the recession sometime around the end of July when the 2nd quarters numbers are in (assuming they show positive growth again)
Inflation has been abnormally low since the Great 2008 recession. I hate to see it, but inflation MUST grow because prices have been depressed for so long now. The question is can the Fed keep it from increasing too much.
As to gas prices, Trump, Biden, Congress, and hardly anybody else has control over that. There are only a very few things that determine the price of oil, and therefore gas. They are 1) supply, 2) demand, 3) market speculation, 4) events that potentially can impact the supply of oil (e.g. war, Trump getting out of the nuclear deal, Saudi Arabia getting pissed at the world), and 5) events that decrease demand (e.g. the pandemic). Obviously a president can (and have in the past such as Bush 1'd defense of Kuwait and Bush 2's invasion of Iraq) or Congress can do things that lead to cause number 4, but it has to be pretty big and long
lasting.
The border problems with drugs have been there for generations and won't decline until America can solve its own addiction problem. The problems with migrants won't go away until the reasons driving migrants to the US are reduced.
This "failing on every count." is where you lose me because it is simply not true unless you claim he failed getting people vaccinated or got the economy growing again."Inflation in April accelerated at its fastest pace in more than 12 years as the U.S. economic recovery kicked into gear and energy prices jumped higher, the Labor Department reported Wednesday.
The Consumer Price Index, which measures a basket of goods as well as energy and housing costs, rose 4.2% from a year earlier. A Dow Jones survey had expected a 3.6% increase. The month-to-month gain was 0.8%, against the expected 0.2%.
Excluding volatile food and energy prices, the core CPI increased 3% from the same period in 2020 and 0.9% on a monthly basis. The respective estimates were 2.3% and 0.3%.
The increase in the annual headline CPI rate was the fastest since September 2008, while the monthly gain in core inflation was the largest since 1981.
Energy prices overall jumped 25% from a year earlier, including a 49.6% increase for gasoline and 37.3% for fuel oil. That came even though most energy categories saw a decline in April.
Prices at the pump, which fell 1.4% in April, have resumed their climb in May, with the national average eclipsing $3 a gallon for the first time since November 2014, according to AAA. Further rises are likely from Friday’s cyberattack that shut down Colonial Pipeline’s main transmission line from Houston to New Jersey.
Used car and truck prices, which are seen as a key inflation indicator, surged 21%, including a 10% increase in April alone. Shelter, another key CPI component, was up 2.1% year over year and 0.4% for the month."
Source Article was written by
Jeff Cox
Finance EditorJeff Cox is the finance editor for CNBC.com where he manages coverage of the financial markets and Wall Street. His stories are routinely among the most-read items on the site each day as he interviews some of the smartest and most well-respected analysts and advisors in the financial world. He also is a frequent guest on CNBC.
I have offered the facts that are relevant as of today.
I have not added options, just known facts.
https://www.cnbc.com/2021/05/12/consume … -2021.html
And yes the economy may in the near further show better job growth due to people getting vaccinated and back to work. However, these are people that are returning to pre-Biden jobs. Biden has killed jobs, not created jobs.
Biden's economy is faltering, and his policies will surely put the country into a depression if Congress can shove them into law. This administration is shockingly dangerous, and it would very much seem many American's are in a media-induced stupor."Biden has killed jobs," - proof for this obviously false statement would be nice since facts state the opposite.
"Biden's economy is faltering, " - proof for this obviously false statement would be nice since facts state the opposite.
"This administration is shockingly dangerous," - proof for this obviously false statement would be nice since facts state the opposite.
And what is the point of your article other than to state the obvious, that after prices have been artificially held down for all of these years, inflation is bound to happen. No one should be surprised by this at all."Biden has killed jobs," - proof for this obviously false statement would be nice since facts state the opposite."
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"Biden's economy is faltering, " - proof for this obviously false statement would be nice since facts state the opposite.
Maybe you could take that up with the stats Jeff Cox
Finance EditorJeff Cox is the finance editor for CNBC.offered...
"This administration is shockingly dangerous," - proof for this obviously false statement would be nice since facts state the opposite.
Again Jeff Cox
Finance EditorJeff Cox is the finance editor for CNBC says differently...
"And what is the point of your article other than to state the obvious, that after prices have been artificially held down for all of these years, inflation is bound to happen. No one should be surprised by this at all."
Nothing was artificial about the Trump economy, all stats in regards to GPD, job growth, lowest unemployment, and to top it off a wonder strong stock market with great consumer confidence. If not for a worldwide pandemic we would have continued to enjoy a prosperous country.
Now, we are tanking on all counts the Biden administration stands for nothing more than free free free which shows nothing but fiscal irresponsibility. Yet he and his cronies are aware none of his policies will or were expected to come to fruition. All cheap politicking promises.
I think you would be better off sticking with insulting Trump than trying to bolster or support a man like Biden. Just saying
I see you skipped over my comment where I laid out Joe's blunders with the three pipelines. These were all doozies. I mean really huge mistakes. Poor judgments and one can see Biden is not presidential material. He is drowning in the problems he created.Oh, Keystone Pipeline, the environmental disaster waiting to happen? Actually, it is already happening on the leg that already got completed by going around America's EPA laws which is leaking three times as much as pipes carrying normal crude. There have already been a dozen spills from this pipeline - and now you want more.
Of course you force me to repeat the truth.
GDP - Trump and Obama were the same in the end.
Job Growth - Obama did a much better job than Trump
Unemployment - Trump did nothing to make it better, name me one policy HE created that impacted unemployment. What you can say about Trump is he didn't screw up what Obama started.
Stock Market Growth - In terms of percentage growth, Obama did better, in fact most previous presidents did better than Trump. Biden is putting all of them to shame.Keystone Pipeline --- Slow down we were discussing your comment in regard to COVID death tole under Trump vs Biden. I see you're in a tizzy and trying to put space between our conversation.
When Biden took office there had been 400,000 deaths in 11.5 months.
At this point, Biden has been in office for 4.5 months the number added to the count is 212,219. Today's number showing 612,219 deaths. As you can see the percentage of deaths is higher for Biden --- Just a fact
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/
Trump's policies stop China travel, provide the task force and you God Fauci. He also provides us four vaccines by putting up cash for 5 companies to do research and development. All but Pfizer took cash. for research and development. Pfizer signed a huge contract to provide our vaccine before any other country, and the option to order millions of more doses as needed. Facts are facts. You can keep denying them, but they don't go away. https://www.scientificamerican.com/arti … roundwork/
Without Trump's policies, Biden would be drowning in a disaster.There you go again misrepresenting the facts again. You need to get your timelines straight.
When Biden took office there were 459,000 deaths and active cases were just peaking. In the next two weeks, another 50,000 died from those Trump era cases (which spiked like that because Trump FAILED in getting his base to take Covid seriously, hell, he not only failed, he actively made it worse).
It took Biden about 4 - 6 weeks to 1) develop a production and distribution plan [b]from scratch because Trump failed to make one[/b and then implement it. So any deaths in that time frame are also on Trump. That would be at least another 40,000. So Biden's starting number can't be any less than 549,000. So that at a minimum, 90% of the covid deaths resulted from Trump's ineptitude.
As I said before, good for Trump for authorizing Warp Speed which produced two vaccines in record time.
Bad for Trump for:
- Having no plan to distribute them
- Lying to America about how deadly virus was
- Encouraging Americans not to wear masks
- Encouraging Americans not to social distance
- Not reigning in RINO governors who played fast and loose with their citizens lives
- Not letting the paper tiger so-called Task Force do its job
- Not ... and the list is very long so I'll stop here.
Trump had virtually no policies and what ones he did have left America in a total mess which Biden now has to clean up.There you go again just not offering any form of Source I was off by three
https://www.pbs.org/newshour/show/news- … hes-403000
Worldometer should verify the rest of the correct stats.
OWS had a completes plan as well as contracts for any and all distribution outlets in each state.
Biden had nothing to do with any of the OWS plans they were made months before he took office. I have offered link after link to prove this. You ignore facts and seem to just be fixated on all Trump. Over it... Believe whatever you please. Not really constructive to have any form of conversation with one that denies facts.
I suggest you have a look at this link, and make yourself aware of just how well OWS was organized many months before the vaccine was available.
https://www.defense.gov/Explore/Spotlig … arp-Speed/
https://media.defense.gov/2020/Sep/16/2 … RAPHIC.PDF
https://www.hhs.gov/sites/default/files … accine.pdf
Biden had nothing to do with any of the plans Zero... The same team Trump hired is still in place today."OWS had a completes plan as well as contracts for any and all distribution outlets in each state." - Let me restate my criticism. Trump had no FEDERAL plan to produce and distribute the vaccine, Trump left it to the states and washed his hands of it. That was what Biden brought to the table. He quickly created a coordinated and comprehensive federal plan to mass produce and distribute the vaccines, something Trump was incapable of.
"Biden had nothing to do with any of the OWS plans they were made months before he took office. " - True - but they were incomplete, not comprehensive, and not at all coordinated. It took Biden to do the job correctly.
Trump had 'promises' from the two vaccine manufactures for 200 million doses, about 500 million short to cover the US population. He had a promise of another 100 million of J&J which wasn't approved for use yet - still not enough.
Biden had to implement the Defense Production Act to finally ramp up enough production to cover all Americans - why didn't Trump already have that set up? Trump left it to the states to vaccinate their people. It took Biden to greatly expand the ability to expand vaccination enough to get where we are today.Trump had 'promises' from the two vaccine manufactures for 200 million doses, about 500 million short to cover the US population. He had a promise of another 100 million of J&J which wasn't approved for use yet - still not enough.
READ THE pharmaceutical CONTRACTS I have offered each one time and time again. They all clearly state the amounts of vaccines we contracted to purchase.
Trump Trump Trump... Hate the man whatever... I respect what he pulled off with a very serious crisis. I don't care what he may have said, I like what's did. Plus, if you can remember in the very beginning I said Trump's worst mistake was letting Fauci head up the task force... He gave him poor advice and flip-flopped constantly. We needed a virologist, not an immunologist.
Believe whatever you please. I have offered you a source, and I can do no more. I think Trump did a great job. and I am over going back and forth with you on the subject. I notice you don't comment on any of my threads, curious?"READ THE pharmaceutical CONTRACTS " - I did, where do you think I got the numbers from.
"Trump Trump Trump... Hate the man whatever." - Would you make the same implication about Hitler, Stalin, Un, Xi, the Iranian leader whoever that is, Hussain, and the list goes on of leaders who represent a Clear and Present Danger and existential threat to their respective societies?
You do know that Fauci is the primary gov't official responsible for the quick development of the vaccines, don't you. https://www.politico.com/news/2020/12/1 … uci-448513
I know you think Trump did a fabulous job, which is a shame, but, fortunately, most people know better."t was co-developed by the infectious disease institute and by Moderna, the biotechnology company based in Cambridge, Massachusetts. The Food and Drug Administration issued an emergency use authorization for the Moderna vaccine late last week and distribution of the first doses began on Monday.
Azar said in remarks before he received his shot that "this vaccine is more or less just like any other vaccine we receive" and that they still have to continue wearing masks and practicing social distancing.
"I made it a personal priority to ensure that we were not cutting any corners in this development process, that the standards and data being used were fully transparent and that the final decisions made on these vaccines, were made by the same career FDA scientists who would make the decisions on any other vaccine," Azar said."
Fauci had nothing to do with the development of the vaccine. That would be Azar... Health and Human Services Secretary Alex Azar was responsible for all decisions in regard to working with Moderna.
Fauci is not a research scientist... He has a desk job, a director at Health and Human Services. A pencil pusher. Trump's first big mistake was listing to Fauci. He had nothing to do with the development of the Moderns vaccine. He has no expertise in developing any vaccine whatsoever."Fauci is not a research scientist.." - LOLOLOL.
"Dr. Fauci was appointed Director of NIAID in 1984. He oversees an extensive research portfolio of basic and applied research to prevent, diagnose, and treat established infectious diseases such as HIV/AIDS, respiratory infections, diarrheal diseases, tuberculosis and malaria as well as emerging diseases such as Ebola and Zika. NIAID also supports research on transplantation and immune-related illnesses, including autoimmune disorders, asthma and allergies. " "Dr. Fauci also is the longtime chief of the Laboratory of Immunoregulation. He has made many contributions to basic and clinical research on the pathogenesis and treatment of immune-mediated and infectious diseases. "
God, why do you keep believing all of that right-wing fake news crap???
Yes, he had a lot to do with the development of the Moderna vaccine as well as the basic research that went into both Moderna's and Pfizer's products.
"But long before COVID-19 was on the radar, the groundwork for messenger RNA was laid in large part by two different streams of research, one at the NIH Fauci and the other at the University of Pennsylvania — and because scientists had learned a bit about other coronaviruses from prior SARS and MERS outbreaks."
https://apnews.com/article/years-resear … 7687ae6269
https://www.niaid.nih.gov/about/director
"Azar said in remarks before he received his shot that "this vaccine is more or less just like any other vaccine we receive" "- REALLY? this vaccine was a revolutionary breath through years in the making Remember Azar was a pill pushing Pharma rep. Also remember Trump and gang (including Azar) said Covid was just like any other flu.Keyword OVERSEEs... Fauci has never worked in the field of research and development... EVER
NIAID Under Faici also supports research in the Wuhan lab and claimed he trusted what he was told in regard to a grant he provided the Wuhan lab. Thanks, Fauci. He seems to been sinking in quicksand at this point.
"Yes, he had a lot to do with the development of the Moderna vaccine as well as the basic research that went into both Moderna's and Pfizer's products." ---
He has been at the NIH since 1984. And in his bio, he has listed no accolades in regards to research science. Not sure why you think he help developed any vaccines let alone the COVID vaccines. I have research Fauci and came across nothing that would indicate he is a Virologist or ever worked on research or the development of any form of the vaccine.
Fauci's Bio... He is an Md and the Director of the NIH. Note that the Source NIH offers a very complete bio on Fauci. I trust it to be factual
https://www.niaid.nih.gov/about/director.
https://www.niaid.nih.gov/director/awards
I don't want to pile on this man. I imagine he did his best with a crisis that was like no other America has faced in many long years. I do wish Trump would have not listened to him in the first months of the virus and got a few really expert virologists. normally. I wish the new administration would have a virologist speak to the American people, and help them realize if we don't all get vaccinated the virus will continue to mutate, and affect us for many years. Time to tell the people what a virus normally does if not dealt with. It keeps looking for a new form to infect a host. COVID has had several serious mutations, we will soon be facing the fact the vaccine will not work due to the strain has mutated into a strain the vaccine won't recognize. People screamed about following the science --- they never truly gave information on the science of a virus. I hold the task force responsible for the lack of information, and at this point, I hold the Biden administration responsible for not being blunt with Americans on where we could be headed if we don't get as many as possible vaccinated. Biden is not addressing the new strains, which are very serious. The UK has a new strain that was reported in the last couple of days that is very serious.
https://news.yahoo.com/fauci-warns-of-c … 11374.html
We have some real problems at this point and Biden is just ignoring them.
I have nothing more to say in regards to the Trump economy or will I travel back to what his name economy.
I from this point on am unwilling to feed into your obsession with Trump. We have a new administration, I am very much interested in keeping tabs on the now, and the future.
It is very clear you just can't digest facts even though I always take time to make every effort to provide facts. Not sure it healthy to ruminate on the past.
"Biden has killed jobs, not created jobs." - I will grant you that most new hires are into jobs lost during the pandemic, that only makes sense given we are still in a recession - but the fact is, he has added more than 2,000,000 jobs.
Now, please tell what jobs has his policies killed? What industries has his policies shut down or put into decline that didn't need to be like the Keystone Pipeline?
And so what if inflation is above average right now? It is just making up for being artificially low (mainly through Fed policy) for so long and then for the last year because of the pandemic.
Now, if it doesn't head back down over the next six months, then you will have something to complain about, but not now.As far as Ima concerned-- to make this short.
Biden killed Keystone due to it being a Trump accomplishment. He could careless about the 11.000 jobs or the collateral damage... He is a tool
He kissed Putin's ass by lifting the heavy sanctions that were placed on Russia by Congress. He's a tool
Anyone in their right mind can see the hypocrisy in this ridiculous vendetta just maybe kidding themself.
And if you feel you know more about inflation and predicting the economy than economists. Oh well
The future under Biden remains to be seen. However, what I have seen is non-sensical, and in some cases could be very detrimental to the
Country.
But, have faith, it already appears many are having great
buyer's remorse."Biden killed Keystone due to it being a Trump accomplishment. " - Trump approved Keystone after Obama stopped it to reverse anything Obama did. It was an environmentally disastrous decision which Biden FIXED.
"He kissed Putin's ass by lifting the heavy sanctions that were placed on Russia by Congress." - Which sanctions on Russia did Biden lift? I think you are passing on right-wing fake news (unless, of course, you are talking about Nord Stream which was done for national security reasons)
Yes, I do know a lot about inflation because I was an economic analyst for the Air Force. I took many courses in economics, I have listened to many lectures on various aspects of economics, I have written about economics, and I read the analysis and opinions of other economists. What is your background?
What constitutes "buyers remorse"? Is it the trouncing Trump is taking in job approval polls from Biden? What is Biden's range? 53 to 55%? What was Trump's range? 38 to 45%. Do you mean that buyers remorse?Guess ya just won't read the list I provided you with two long pages of sanctions trump slapped Russia with... I give up.
Biden under fire from Congress for waiving sanctions on Russian gas pipeline company
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/nation … s-n1267975
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-57180674
https://www.politico.com/news/2021/05/1 … ine-489437
It would seem you don't believe facts when provided or respond with any form of acknowledgment of the sources.
Lots of articles in regards to voter's buyer remorse...
Thought you might like to check out the polls today. The funny thing Trump and Biden have the same poll approval stats today on the chart. Biden is headed in the wrong direction.
The Rasmussen Reports daily Presidential Tracking Poll, for Wednesday shows that 49% of Likely U.S. Voters approve of President Biden’s job performance. Fifty percent (50%) disapprove.
The latest figures include 29% who Strongly Approve of the job Biden is doing and 40% who Strongly Disapprove. This gives him a Presidential Approval Index rating of -11. (see trends) https://www.rasmussenreports.com/public … ack_july07538 likes their methodology so I do watch Rasmussen's polling. I do, however, keep it firmly in mind they are historically biased to the Right, so having lower numbers for Biden (and higher numbers for Trump) is no surprise.
I looked at their chart and I don't see where Biden and Trump have the same approval numbers. It looks like Trump is 10 points lower.
I also look at the RealClearPolitics trend. It shows that Bidens nutmbers have been pretty steady since February. His high was 55.8, shorly after he took office and would be expect to be his high point. His low was 51.4, a few days ago. It is currently 52.5.
Now that is only a 4.4 point spread over the last four months, which is pretty stable as polling goes. I would expect it to drop from his high because progressives are pissed off that he has taken a more pragmatic approach to governing and is trying (as much as the RINOs will let him) do things in a bipartisan manner.
https://www.realclearpolitics.com/epoll … -7320.html
On the other hand, Trump's job approval rating started out at 45.3 shortly after taking office and he hit a low of 37.1 in Dec 2017. That is an 8.2 point swing. After that he tracked between 43 and 45 for most of his term; significantly worse than Biden's current numbers. Only once, on March 28, 2020, did Trump approach Biden's level when he averaged 47.1 before plunging back down to 41.6.
As I said before, I expect Biden to track between 50 and 60%, depending on how mad the progressives are at him.
What was Trump's average presidential approval rating? Glancing through the history of Trump's Rasmussen numbers, I see many -11 numbers as well.
I saw that YouGov, which tilts Blue about half as much as Rasmussen tilts right only has a -5 point differential of the same time period.What is the Trumpers' explanation for the difference in the approval numbers between Trump and Biden?
You also have this. Today, Trump sued those who kicked him off of their platforms because of his dangerous lies. This might be the reason why - "In May, an analysis by NewsWhip, a social media tracking firm, found that interactions about him on social media have fallen 91% since January . ", lol
Oh my gosh, you know or should have caught that I was pulling your chain. I have expressed my view of polls to you on many occasions. I don't in any respect find them relative or to be honest, I just don't trust them.
Of course you don't, they don't give you the answers you need.
Cmon Sharlee, you only distrust those polls that deliver information contrary to what you want to hear or believe.
I have reconsidered my view -- Maybe the polls are showing a true picture of what American's are feeling about Biden. The daily polls do appear to indicate the countries view of Biden's poor job abilities, and lack of leadership.
Even Democrats are very disappointed with Joe... And it is showing in the polls. "Biden’s Approval Takes a Hit, Driven by Sagging Hopes Among Democrats"
"President Biden’s approval rating has taken a dip in recent weeks — but it’s not even close to the drop in support for Congress’s performance, as negotiations over legislation in Washington have ground to a virtual standstill.
That’s the top-line takeaway from a national poll released on Wednesday by Monmouth University. But here’s the secondary message: Democrats are the ones growing most disillusioned, and fast.
Back in April, when Mr. Biden was making big legislative strides, 83 percent of Democrats said they thought the country was moving in the right direction, according to a Monmouth survey at the time. But in Wednesday’s poll, just 59 percent of Democrats said that.
The share of Democrats saying the country was on the wrong track rose by 20 percentage points, to 32 percent." https://www.nytimes.com/2021/06/16/us/p … ating.html
https://www.monmouth.edu/polling-instit … 61621.pdf/I understand, but Biden would do a whole lot better when he realizes the mistake of trying to negotiate with Republican on this bipartisan stick is as futile as asking a grizzly to use the toilet.
The momentum for Biden has stopped because of Republicans and their deliberate obstruction. That needs to be eliminated thru the use of any and all tools within the Democrats' political tool boxesWell, they certainly have a toolbox, but it might be time for them to understand their tools have become old, and inefficient. Biden knows Congress and he knew that he would be stymied by the rightwing of Congress. He perhaps should have kept his campaign promises to a minimum, and more realistic. It would also help if he stepped up and addressed current problems like the border. He ignores it as if there is not a problem as he does with a crime. These problems will plague him and keep his jib approval low. Plus, the chatter on the street is all about Biden's lack of leadership in solving problems or at best recognizing problems as such. The old political shell game --- look here not there, does not work any longer. Hey, just my opinion, I see him going down fast. Maybe the polls are accurate after all.
Yes, Biden was aware of the difficulty of dealing with the Republicans. I just hoped that he would be willing to remove the kid gloves and give the GOP the bash in the chops necessary to move the agenda forward.
Say what you will, but compared to Trump, Biden is an angel.
I guess I am more of a pragmatist and believe that IF Biden can achieve a bipartisan deal on the infrastructure-lite bill, it would be worth the effort for America. At the moment, it does look like he has the votes - if the Progressives don't sink it wanting the perfect over the doable.
He will get an infrastructure bill, a light one... This bill is one that both sides dam well know will come to fruition. A win-win bill. The Dems get an infrastructure bill they can brag on, and the Rep get a bill they can brag on, due to cutting the amount of cash Joe wanted in half.
We need an infrastructure package that is minus pork, and I think we will get one. This will be a win-win bill.I can agree with you on this one - but it is still very shaky. McConnell has promised to oppose anything Biden does and Progressives want all or none. Either one can tank the bill.
I believe that we're are beyond pragmatism when dealing with today's Republican Party. Biden can't work with Republicans, they have already programmed him to fail by watering down his brisk elixir into warm Pi$$.
We have midterms in 2022, and if we haven't shown anything beyond gridlock, we can expect more GOP crap legislators in congress and then it will truly become "Democracy dies in the Darkness". It is DEFCON 1 time and the Dems need to move as if their lives depended upon it. You have seen these Republicans in action, Esoteric, and we both know that they are no damned good.
You are a lot more optimistic about the bipartisan stuff than I am.Yes, I am optimistic so long as there are some Republicans willing to flip RINO leadership the bird when it comes to putting country and democracy over self-interest, party, and Trump. I am talking about Cheney, Kenzinger, Cassidy, Romney, Murkowski, Collins (on occasion), and the like. They will be there when the RINO party aka Trump party implodes to pick up the pieces.
Right now there are 11 Republicans who signed on to the bipartisan infrastructure bill: Murkowski, Romney, Burr, Collins, Portman (means lots of money for Ohio), Rounds (I am surprised), Tillis (lots of money for NC as well), Young, Moran, and Graham (who I suspect will flip-flop as he always does).
If the extremists on the Left can accept the win, and that is a big IF given how self-destructive extremists are, then people know that it can be done, even in this environment where anti-democratic forces control the RINO party.
Jamie Harrison (to whom I donated a lot of money) needs to pick up a copy of Howard Dean's 50-State Strategy, dust it off, read it, and then implement it. They also need to develop a message that is laser focused on Hispanics (talk about a voting against their interests) in this country. Biden lost a lot of ground with them because the various Democratic leadership organizations forgot about them. That is one reason why the Ds lost so many seats in Florida.
The Democratic leadership also needs to pick up Stacy Abrams Fair Fight initiative (I donate to them as well) and spread it to the rest of the states where RINOs are suppressing the vote. I keep looking for signs of it here in Florida and don't see a thing. Sad.
I often will look at individual polls to see what the details say (I never pay attention to the headlines that go with them since they are mostly attention grabbing hyperbole). But to see a much truer picture of the trend and deviations, I look at averages of polls, such as those published by RealClearPolitics.
In the case of Biden Job Approval (and I have already pointed this out) the averages show no particular trend other than what one would normally expect from early in a term to a little bit down the road. As you can see in the link below, Biden's Approval numbers have remained fairly constant with a small range between the high (55.7) and low averages (51.4). Average those two numbers and you get 55.3, which is just a little bit above 52.5 it is currently at. These numbers put a lie to the headlines you quote.
I also need to remind you again, since you refuse to recognize it, that one of the things putting downward pressure on Biden's numbers is the pragmatic way he is trying to do his job working with Republicans where he can. The Progressives don't like that. They, like the RINOs, don't want real legislation, they just want headlines.
https://www.realclearpolitics.com/epoll … -7320.html
As to Right Direction, your baseline is what it was during the Trump administration - which was a dismal 35% until it tanked with the pandemic. On the other hand, under Biden, it is much better, averaging around 42%, the highest since 2009 when people were seeing evidence Obama's stimulus was pulling America out of a near Depression. Given that, I suggest that your assessment of how terrible things are is way off base.
People are feeling pretty good today compared the Trump (or even Obama) administration.
https://www.realclearpolitics.com/epoll … y-902.html
I couldn't find any other polls to back up or disprove your claim about the Monmouth poll.
A recent study of what happened during the 2020 election, compared to the 2016 election, came up with these results:
- Biden gained more ground with voters in all age groups except between 30 - 44 than Trump did. While both improved in the 30 - 44, Trump improved more.
- Trump actually improved his results slightly in Urban areas.
- But, he gave up a lot ground in both Suburban and Rural areas
- Trump improved with those that had a high school diploma or less
- Trump did worse with those that had some college
- Both improved slightly with those who had college degrees
- Biden did better with those who had post-graduate degrees.
- Biden did relatively better than Trump with both men and women than Clinton did
- Biden improved with White Men while Trump declined
- Trump did relatively better with White Women than Biden, although both improved
- Biden lost voters with Black and Latino Men and Women while Trump improved quite a bit. It was more pronounced with the Latino Men.
- Over all, Biden did better than Clinton with people making less than $100,000 than Trump did between the two elections
- Trump's biggest gain was with people who earned between $100K and $200K
- This is what killed Trump, he did a lot poorer with Moderate voters in 2020 than he did in 2016 while Biden did a lot better than Clinton.
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Biden is an ABYSMAL FAILURE as president, even a smart 10 year old is COGNIZANT of this.
When I walk around a see so many "help wanted" signs, I think that we are on the way back. More jobs than there are people to fill them, I haven't seen that for a while. So, we have an employees market, and wages and working conditions in certain industries will have to improve or people will avoid these jobs and stay home with papa, even if all the unemployment benefits are cut.
There are plenty of people to fill those jobs.
The jobs are not offering enough money, so no one is willing to fill them.
I see this adjustment in realities today, where in order to get someone to do a job that paid $11.00 three years ago, you now have to pay $15.00.
If wages don't adjust, the people won't do those jobs... or you get what you pay for, terrible employees."The jobs are not offering enough money, so no one is willing to fill them."
Or at least they aren't offering as much as Uncle Sam is offering to stay at home.
I would observe that if wages have risen 36%, from $11 to $15, in just 3 years we have a really major problem on our hands in the form of runaway inflation. Businesses can't afford that kind of increase without increasing prices, and higher paid employees are going to demand the same thing as prices rise and they watch unskilled labor being paid what the same thing they are.
But I'm not seeing that in my area. Starting wage is nearly the same as it was - around $10 - and hasn't changed much. Take away what Uncle Sam is giving them as "unemployment" because of the pandemic (that no longer exists, from a job perspective, in my area), and those jobs will be filled pronto.With grand inflation and wages growth of 36%.
Bring back the Latino labour and Chinese goods to help balance. Civil wars and shut down of free markets won't help.Neither will removing American workers from earning a wage. It might, short term, result in lower prices, but that will catch up after those without jobs demand that others support them, whereupon those with jobs demand more money because they now have to support multiple families.
I have no idea what you are talking about Castle.
Canada with its diverse cultures and international trade is our strength that US once had and now loosing. Until US starting too much divided labels, cancel cultures and trade. Cheaper labour and Chinese products make a better balance here in Canada.
Think I have run out of ideas upon deaf ears for any solutions for the US.
There are three possible things economists think are leading to the inability to staff low wage jobs: 1) the problems associated with not all schools being open, 2) fear of catching Covid, and 3) the unemployment bonus. Only time will tell which one(s) had the most impact.
In Florida, the bonus goes away in mid-June. Come July, we will find out if the unemployment bonus was a factor.
" pandemic (that no longer exists" - you do live in a fantasy world don't you? Why don't you ask the families of the 550 people (mostly Trump supporters) who still die a day if the pandemic is over. Or ask the 20,000 a day still catching Covid. I bet they will all laugh in your face.
My surmise is that many people don't need money at the present time. Maybe they have discovered they don't need so much, they have enough to live on and / or, that free-time is very enjoyable. When they need money, they'll go back to work.
Then there are these other reasons such as:
1. Until recently, fear of catching Covid by being forced back to work from the cut-off of unemployment in there state. I recently posted the story of one such woman. Of coarse, this reason now really only applies to those that have valid reasons for not getting vaccinated, which she apparently did.
2. Child care is still unaffordable in many places.
3. Some people need time to find the right job and may need to relocate
4. Available jobs do not offer women with children flexible options who can't afford child care.
https://www.cnbc.com/2021/07/08/nobel-w … work-.htmlMore guesses:
Women are going back to work sooner than young men who are at home on their games, (being catered to by overly indulgent parents.)
More men are home taking care of children.
Older workers are not going back to work because they decided to retire.
Those who are working know there's a chance of dying from Covid but they also know that if they don't work, they and their loved ones will die.
The youth who could be working at entry level jobs would rather not work next to low-pay undocumented workers.
The youth are not trained for higher level jobs as they cannot compute, write or deal with other humans effectively.
.And there are these reasons as well
"They're in this situation because during the pandemic, many workers were laid off, as safety measures required some restaurants to close dining entirely. Eventually, when restaurants started re-hiring, they found a smaller pool of potential employees. Some moved away, others found new jobs in other industries. Some are still staying home to care for children or other dependents. Some, fed up with what are often low wages for the arduous work, vowed never to return."I think that it is great that now it is "labor" rather than capital that have the upper hand in today's job market.
It is like the President said, things are going to get rough for employers unless they pay more and offer better benefits to potential employees.... whoever n e e d s work, (to earn money,) will take whatever work they can get. Employers can only do what they can do.
For my own business, moving to $15/hr right now minimum would mean shutting down (and firing 50 people) or laying off a lot of workers to cut costs, while putting even more work on those remaining. Our payroll is around a million dollars a year.
We do not have the luxury of raising our prices to accommodate as our clients will simply move from a company that provides a lot of service and flexibility to the industry giants that don't.
There are a LOT of small businesses in the same boat as I am. What I suspect will happen, so long as we keep Democrats in office, is the gov't will now have to start subsidizing those who can't afford $15/hr.
We have managed to raise starting pay from $10 to $12/hr and our pay ranges from $12 to $25/hr. As conditions allow, we keep pushing that up.
This is why I oppose any minimum wage at all and support transfering that function to an expanded Earned Income Tax Credit.I can't claim to be in your place nor understand your situation. It seems to me that the very concept of small business is being "Amazoned" and "Walmarted" out of existence. What chance do you really have?
It is becoming more difficult to live on the wages provided on the bottom rungs of the economic ladder. The part of central Florida I live in is seeing a stark increase in real estate costs, when it was recently a sleepy backwater. Urban areas and entire states are forced to disregard the $7.25 and hour minimum. Regardless of what conservatives may say, the minimum wage has lost a great deal of buying power over the last 50 years. If people can't afford to live on what their being paid, you are suggesting the that tax payer subsidizes the difference between what is a reasonable cost to live and what employers are willing to pay? Conservatives would much rather create Dickensian society of beggars that include women and children, then pressure the capitalist class to move away from a piecework, sweatshop mentality.
I can't imagine a society without a minimum wage as I noted that virtually every country in the world has one, and there has to be a reason for that.
I paid 15 cents for a MCD cheese burger in 1965, now I pay $2.50 for the same sandwich. I cannot think of ever really evading the reality of inflation, just its extent.
You and I know that the Rightwingers would virtually have a cow regarding encroaching socialism that would be involved in basically having the government subsidize a guaranteed wage for everyone. Is that not part of what the Earned Income Tax Credit would involve?I understand all that you say and agree with a lot of it. I live a couple of hours North of you and see the same thing in housing prices. But just like the 2006 -2007 bubble, I truly think those prices will collapse once the foreclosure moratoriums lapse and thousands of houses are put on the market.
The thing about EITC is that if it were fully implemented, it would eliminate the need for other gov't support because EITC doesn't drive inflation like the minimum wage ultimately does. With the minimum wage, which is inflationary by nature, prices will adjust upward to accommodate it and the poverty line will then increase as well.
That increase will then drive a call for further increases in minimum wage. And we will be in the same position as we are now a decade from now, just earning and paying more. The EITC can avoid that destructive cycle.
As to "socialism". Conservatives are too dumb to know that "social welfare" and "socialism" are two entirely different things. IMO, social welfare helps move a nation forward faster than it otherwise would (as well as being humane, another word not in the conservatives lexicon) and "socialism" will lose out to regulated capitalism every time.Families are to help their loved ones. Not the government.
And what happens if the families can't? Let their loved ones suffer? Whether you like it or not, the Constitution tells us that one of the purposes of government is to help the people who form it.
It helps the people by:
- Establishing Justice (for all of the people)
- Ensures domestic Tranquility (for all of the people)
- Provides for the common defense (for all of the people)
- Promote the general Welfare (for all of the people)
- Secure the Blessings of Liberty (for all of the people and their children)
If some of the people are being denied any of those through no fault of their own, the Constitution demands that the gov't does something about it.
It is clear that Liberals wrote the Constitution because liberals care about strangers. It is the conservatives who push social Darwinism such as what your comment implies.
Cred, people are at the bottom because of inane life choices. America is the land of opportunity. For example, my maternal extended family from Wellford, SC. They have the give me, victim mentality. They have been supported by other relatives for three generations-a great aunt, my mother, & now me(not so much). I told them that they were poor because of the stupid choices they made. I don't feel sorry for them in the least. The youngest generation of the parasitic family is just as poor as the first generation. They have average IQs of 160 yet they refuse to better themselves. They would rather live of others.
By contrast, my paternal family who was poorer than my maternal family. Yet all become middle class & upper middle class within a generation. The succedent generation are upper middle class & wealthy. They are professionals & entrepreneurs. They don't have the whiny, victim mentality like my maternal family has. Yes, my paternal family come from the Caribbean. Black Caribbeans have a work ethic while Black Americans unfortunately don't have. My maternal family of Wellford, SC are leeches who believe in LIVING OFF others while my paternal family work for what they want & didn't believe in hand outs. If one wants success, h/she has to work & sacrifice for it. Stop whining Cred. This is the reason why I am turning Republican. Republicans don't whine. I hate people who want to be victims. Be a victim on your own time. Yes, there is inflation, if one wants more money, there are MYRIAD opportunities to earn such. Don't be a victim, man."Cred, people are at the bottom because of inane life choices." - And what makes you think that most people at the bottom of the rung are their by choice?
Are you painting the whole of poor America with what you see with your maternal family?
The truth is "America is the land of opportunity." only for the select few who are either supermen or superwomen or somebody helped break down the barriers this society purposefully puts in their way. And I am not just talking about minorities. In terms of numbers, most poor, white, conservatives probably qualify for your disapproval.
" Republicans don't whine." - Give me a break. Right now they are whining loudly because Trump lost - and they are hurting many others in trying not let that happen again.
"there are MYRIAD opportunities to earn such. " - is a very Pollyanna view.My Esoteric pretty much expresses my view, I can't embellish upon it a great deal.
You most probably have always been a Republican in every aspect that is important, all one has to do is review the preponderance of your posts.
I have no use for Republicans at this time and place. My automatic vote against them and their supporters has become a reflex action.
I have no sympathy for lazy people, but most of us know that this issue is more complex than that.
Where are the young men?
- overseas in the military? working for Amazon? at university? at home?Anywhere except at the piecework factories they are being invited to return to...
In the 70's I worked at Hood River pear/apple Cannery. I had to stand in one place sorting pears on a conveyor belt. My friend had it much better. He got to sit with the ladies and peel. I would see him from my lofty location chatting merrily with the ladies. I consciously hallucinated to endure the boredom of sorting large, medium and small sized pears. It took me three months of this type of work to determine to get my degree and teaching credentials, no matter what it took. So, here I agree with you!
Nevertheless, the money I made helped me continue my travels and get back home to enroll in college.
Money is money.
The sad fact is that labor group was forced out of the market. When I was young, a long, long time ago, I started out working at McDonalds and Taco Bell. Everybody else there, save the manager, were in my age group. That is where the young first started getting their job experience.
Flash forward to 2013 during the recovery from the Great 2008 Conservative Recession. Younger workers were being replaced by older workers trying to earn a long-term, normal living on $7.25/hr. Until the pandemic, that dynamic only got worse.
Why would these businesses hire the older worker instead of the young men? Older workers are more reliable with less costly turnover.
As far as I know, RINO is an acronym for "republican in name only" and that would make them for your side, no? Everything else is a big "yikes" from me.
That is exactly what RINO stands for and as I point out in another forum I created on the subject, today's so-called Republican Party bears no resemblance to the Republican Party Abraham Lincoln started. For the most part, Lincoln's party holds principles that are diametrically opposed to today's Republican Party which is why a much more correct label is RINO.
Who is today's RINO party more in line with philosophically? The conservative southern Democrats of Andrew Jackson's era.Is that an insinuation that the Democrat party, with it's massive give-away programs, total fiscal irresponsibility and ever growing demands for more government control over people's lives is the same as what it began as?
Or have both changed beyond recognition from what they were? Are Democrats DINO's - Democrats in Name Only as a result? (Note that the name DINO is singularly appropriate as a Dinosaur - the biggest land animals to ever walk the earth - and DINO's want the biggest government possible.)Nope, you are entirely correct - DINO is appropriate when comparing today's Democrats to yesterdays Democrats. Fortunately, the Democrats dropped their pro-slavery, anti-civil rights, conservative past and took on the mantle (mostly) of Lincoln's liberal Republican Party (which also was the party of a strong federal government)
"Or have both changed beyond recognition from what they were? " - Don't say that too loud because there are many so-called Republicans on these forums who will crucify you over that TRUTH. On the other hand, it is my opinion, because I don't have any observations to back this up, that most forum participants on the Left would very much agree with you and are happy that Democrats moved on to a much better place and are now on the right side of history.
On the other hand, it is the RINOs who took their once great party over to the Dark Side."On the other hand, it is the RINOs who took their once great party over to the Dark Side."
Or has the new Republican party just morphed into the Kennedy era democrat? Don't ask what your country can do for you, but ask what you can do for your country"... The Dems of that era buffered their ideologies with common sense. As Republicans have always been known for. We have not gone to the Darkside, just tweaking our party to put America, and American's first, and then consider where we can make a true difference in other lands.
Another thought the DINO's became extinct, whereas RINO's have thrived...
It seems while many are being sidelined with the State Of The Union speech, critiquing how what, and who yelled what --- We have so many very important issues that are being sidelined by this BS.
Hopefully, some are tuning into the various GOP hearings this week. CSpan has clips of all... And I must say, it appears that many are being pulled away from some serious hearing with the dribble in regard to the SOU speech.
Hopefully, we all have not become willing to fall into "look over here, nothing to see over there"...Wilderness, I don't know about the rest of the country, but in Georgia where I live, the parents of the most die-hard republicans here today were once Democrats. But their perception of the changing priorities of that party caused them to be drawn to the Reagan GOP. Then abortion became the only issue they were concerned with and the only issue they voted on. Now that R v W has been overturned, they remain GOP because Democrats have been so demonized for so long, they dare not change.
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Biden is around the same pace as Trumps covid deaths stats.
To compare Lincoln civil war American deaths to covid death on a per capita basis. Multiple civil war deaths by more than 100 times greater than covid. Wail half the US population were slaves.
Not the greatest examples.Your claim that "Biden is around the same pace as Trumps covid deaths stats." is demonstrably incorrect.
On the other hand, without doing the math, I would say your claim about relative deaths on a per capita basis is probably correct for the Civil War; maybe even WW II. That is the problem with using raw numbers over time, they lose context.
But in terms of visualizing the devastation caused by Covid and Trump's failed policies toward it, it is still a valid comparison.Trump was 375,000 covid death the end of 2020.
Death now 600,000 and part of 2020 Biden was elected. So its close to par and covid deaths with Trump. Plus at this time a year ago, covid deaths are higher.When Biden took office there had been 400,000 deaths in 11.5 months.
At this point, Biden has been in office for 4.5 months the number added to the count is 212,219. Today's number showing 612,219 deaths. As you can see the percentage of deaths is higher for Biden --- Just a fact
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/
Trump's policies stop China travel, provide the task force and you God Fauci. He also provides us four vaccines by putting up cash for 5 companies to do research and development. All but Pfizer took cash. for research and development. Pfizer signed a huge contract to provide our vaccine before any other country, and the option to order millions of more doses as needed. Facts are facts. You can keep denying them, but they don't go away. https://www.scientificamerican.com/arti … roundwork/
Without Trump's policies, Biden would be drowning in a disaster.CDC: Half of US adults are fully vaccinated against COVID-19The U.S. passed a major milestone Tuesday when it was reported by the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention that more than half of Americans over the age of 18 are now fully vaccinated.
You would think the death toll would better than last year.
In pharmaceutical we trust, has a scary thought after all the lab animals died from the tests.Are you saying it isn't? The average daily death toll per million in 2020 was roughly 6.5. Today it is about 1.6 (mostly RINO). Seems like quite a reduction to me.
I thought you may want to put this on the list to "Great Things Joe Biden Has Done While President"
Hey Joe what the hell did you do?
January 20, Biden’s very first day as president, he shut down the Keystone XL pipeline. He gave11,000 citizens that had high-paying jobs the boot, many unionized. While these unemployed American workers went on unemployment, Russian President Vladimir Putin most likely toasted Biden with a nice cold shot of Vodka.
Canadian oil now is trapped underground, Keystone’s cancellation curbed long-term supplies of crude oil. and quickly boosted global prices for Russia’s key export. Indeed, for this and other reasons, crude has crept from $53-per-barrel at Biden’s inauguration to over $66 — up 25%
Let's move on to the second feature in Joe's circus --- The Colonial Pipeline. Which was shut down on May 7 after a Russian ransomware attack. Carteresque gasoline lines soon stretched from Georgia to Washington, D.C. What did Ol' Joe do? He hides in the White House and is silent until May 10, when he offered up a tepid blurb that exonerated the Kremlin. where was Biden’s outrage? Where was Biden’s outrage? Why did he not publicly demands that Putin answer for this hack?
No, what he did was to then rewarded the Kremlin for its acquiescence in the Colonial caper by scrapping sanctions against the Nord Stream 2 natural gas pipeline between Russia and Germany. Biden was asked by the press why he decided to take such a step.
Boden --- "Because it’s almost completely finished, number one," he replied. Biden then continues on with these confusing words. "The idea that anything that — and it’s not like I can allow Germany to do something they’re not." This sentence makes no sense whatsoever... No really! (this man is senile.)
I must also point out Biden’s betrayal also fails on environmental grounds. Germany will not import American liquefied natural gas, as President Donald J. Trump pressed Chancellor Angela Merkel to do. Nor will Germany swap gas for wind farms, solar panels, or geothermal plants. Instead, Germany will burn Russian natural gas. While that fuel is one-third cleaner than oil and twice as clean as coal, Germany and some neighboring nations still will turn gas into energy and carbon dioxide. So Joe, what about your concern about the environment? Does this all seem half-ass backward?
Page 308 of Keystone’s environmental impact statement says that its oil would have generated up to 178 million metric tons of CO2 annually. What did Joe state? "Killing Keystone was a beautiful thing."
Nord Stream 2 would carry up to 55 billion cubic meters of natural gas from Ust-Luga, Russia to Greifswald, Germany. That gas, according to Gen Less’s online calculator, would generate 132 million metric tons of CO2. So, by speeding Nord Stream 2, Biden will have combusted 74 percent of the anti-global-warming "benefit" that he created by junking Keystone.
Environmentalists should be enraged.
"Gazprom’s Nord Stream 2 will add $3.3 billion to Russia’s annual GDP, Statista estimates. Though a tidy sum, the Kremlin’s jackpot is geopolitical.
"Nord Stream 2 would enable the Putin regime to further weaponize Russia’s energy resources to exert political pressure throughout Europe," four bipartisan U.S. House members warned Secretary of State Antony Blinken in a February 17 letter. " Oh Well... Plus, The majority of Europe also opposes the Kremlin-backed pipeline,
IMO Russia’s obvious intention has been to form an alliance with Germany and Austria (also with the Netherlands and Belgium) against Eastern and Northern Europe. NS2 is Russia’s most daring attempt to break up the EU. Oh well...
Finally -- Finally, Biden announced that he will meet on June 16, 2021with Putin in Geneva, following G-7 and NATO conclaves. So it is evident that Putin will pay not even pay a diplomatic price after citizens corked U.S. fuel supplies in exchange for a $4.4 million Bitcoin ransom. Oh Well...
This president Biden has clearly squandered Trump’s hard-won America's energy independence, added 11,000 American pipeline workers to America's unemployment lines, and screwed up Trump’s diplomacy, which had Germany now depending on Russia for natural gas. Now, Germany will become addicted — not to U.S. liquefied natural gas, but gas from the very adversary that NATO was designed to defeat. Oh well...
So sorry for so many words. However, Bidens' actions in regard to the two pipelines, have provided consequences that need to be considered."Canadian oil now is trapped underground, " - Canadian Tar Sand Oil is the worst kind of oil on the planet and is an environmental disaster. If they want to produce it, let them destroy the forests it is under, process it in Canada and then ship the much safer products to America or elsewhere. We don't want there gunk spoiling our land through frequent oil leaks that is already happening in pipes they snuck through the system.
It should be "Nixonesque" not "Carteresque". In case you forgot, Nixon was president during the long gas lines. It did happen again, during Carter, after Iran jacked up prices, but it was nothing compared to Nixon.
"This president Biden has clearly squandered Trump’s hard-won America's energy independence, " - Trump's hard won ..., LOL. Trump didn't do diddly, we became energy independent under Obama.
"Germany will not import American liquefied natural gas, as President Donald J. Trump pressed Chancellor Angela Merkel to do. " - WHY? Could it because American LNG is much more expensive to Germany? You also failed to mention that Perry DID complete a deal with Poland.
https://www.economist.com/the-economist … -in-europe
Yet this from Trump isn't senile??? "So right at the beginning, I said, “That’s the man.” And there was nobody better at that. And I think Hillary had 28 people, and I had Dan. Right? I had my Dan! And he works about 28 hours a day, and he works very hard. But he doesn’t work. I mean, he loves it. He loves it. And his imagination, and really working with all of you, and many of you. He’ll come up with ideas, and you’ll come up with ideas. And he’ll run into my office, he says, “You got to see this.” And a lot of times I’ll go out, and I’ll spend a lot of money on a concept. I’ll say, “Here’s a concept. Come up with this.” And we’ll hire these companies, and they want a lot of money, and they come back. Just happened the other day, right? I said, “That’s terrible. These guys have no talent.”"
BTW - Why didn't Trump stop Nord Stream 2 when he had the chance? He had three years to do something but failed miserably.
As to Nord Stream 2 sanctions. Biden didn't lift all of the sanctions and for those he did, apparently not wanting to cause a transatlantic rift with Germany while at the same time trying to repair all of the damage Trump did took precedence national security wise. I ask again, why didn't Trump try to stop it? Could it be he had a deal with Putin?"BTW - Why didn't Trump stop Nord Stream 2 when he had the chance? He had three years to do something but failed miserably."
Why didn't trump stop NS2 when he had the chance? He did. have the construction shut down due to sanctions. There has been no president in many Decades that was harder on Russia. I have offered the link time and again on the list of sanctions Trump put on Russia. It would seem you just are not willing to have a look at the huge list. That would be your problem, but facts are facts.
First I hate to tell you the NS2 was started on Obamas time...
The first line of Nord Stream (also known as Nord Stream 1[1]) was laid by May 2011 and was inaugurated on 8 November 2011.[2][3] The second line of Nord Stream was laid in 2011–2012 and was inaugurated on 8 October 2012. At 1,222 km (759 mi) in length, Nord Stream is the longest sub-sea pipeline in the world, surpassing the Langeled pipeline. So yes when they say much was built that is a fact. It has been being worked on since 2011. Construction of Nord Stream 2 in Germany began in 2016.
Trump put sanctions on Russia shortly after entering office. He did hold off a bit due to the sanctions were put together by the Obama administration. The NS2 was affected by the first set of Russian sanctions Trump put on Russia.
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa- … SKBN29O1XL
THEN 2019 --- Again Trump puts sanction on Russia that affects the building of NS2
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-50875935
THEN Jan 18 2021 before leaving the office slammed Russia once again with sanctions that were meant to deter the completion of the pipeline.
https://www.nytimes.com/2021/01/18/worl … -ship.html
Then comes Old kiss butt Joe... He lifted the Trump sanctions.
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/nation … s-n1267975
Just because you say it does not make it true...
WOW! Biden adds back 559,000 jobs in May (that is over 2.000,000 since February! yet the conservatives says Biden is, lol, losing jobs) and the UE rate plummets to 5.8%. Also, the stock market is higher that Trump ever hoped it would be. And yesterday, 1st time unemployment dropped to below 400,000, the lowest level since the early days of the pandemic - AGAIN.
What's not to like?Guess the red states that cut the $300.00 extra bucks paid off. Finally seeing Trump's record-breaking economy coming out of its respite. The Biden administration certainly has thrown up roadblocks. However, the Trump economy was built strong and thriving.
Nice try, that hasn't had an effect yet. For example, Florida doesn't stop payments for another week or two yet, lol.
Again, it is only the fake right-wing media and Trump supporters who think Trump's economy was so-called record breaking. The ONLY two things that broke records was the DOW Jones (which is a poor indicator of the state of the economy) and unemployment. The rest of his record was no better than or even worse than Obama's. When will you look at REAL numbers and come to understand that instead of pushing a very false narrative?
And finally, because Trump so bungled the response to the pandemic, the economy got a lot worse than it should have.Sorry fact say differently ---
Let us examine the success in the first three years of his administration before the coronavirus flattened the economy. The unemployment rate fell less than 4 percent, which was near the lowest in HALF a century.
The inflation rate fell to 1 percent, which was even below the target level set by the Federal Reserve. This has kept the interest rates on mortgages and many other loans down to the lowest level in modern times.
The portion who fell below the poverty line declined to the lowest level EVER recorded in 2019.
The wealth of households, including their stocks, savings, and real estate, rose to the highest level IN HISTORY.
The Census Bureau saw the median income rise to above $65,000, up by more than $5,000 in three years and double the gains from the last decade.
Almost all of these benefits were most pronounced for minorities, notably Blacks and Hispanics.
The best-ever quarterly GDP growth rate has been 33.4% for the third quarter (Q3) of 2020.
Like I said Trump truly broke records, he worked hard to provide the American people one of the very best economies in our history. Biden already has us in a rut with prices rising quickly on EVERYTHING... Inflation is evident.
https://www.cnn.com/2021/05/25/business … index.html
https://www.forbes.com/sites/rickhelfen … 97507ae743Sighhhh - didn't you read what I wrote? I gave you the unemployment stat. Even though it was simply a continuation of what Obama started, it did get that low under Trump.
Your inflation reference is fake news. You said, without specifying a time, it "fell to 1%" - Not under Trump it didn't. For the years he was president it was 2.1% (2017), 2.4% (2018), 1.8% (2019), and 1.3% (2020 covid), FYI - the Fed's target rate is 2%, which Trump missed 2 out of the 3 years without the effect of Covid. SO, DO you want to restate your claim?
Now, compare that to Obama from 2009 - 2016 where Obama was below your own metric for 7 out of the 8 years he was president! How was Trump better than Obama in that regard? He wasn't, he was Worse.
"The wealth of households, including their stocks, savings, and real estate, rose to the highest level IN HISTORY." - While true, it misrepresents the real world. The more important statistic is that this wealth you are so proud of is concentrated in historically fewer hands. The Record that Trump set was the largest wealth gap since the 1920s. I bet he is happy with that outcome.
I will also give you the poverty rate at 7.8% for 2019. But while I take it at face value, everybody knows Trump loved to try to fudge the numbers to make himself look good. Consider, since its Great recession high of 11.8 in 2010, it fell to 9.8 in 2016. It then declined to 9.3, 9.3, 9.0 in 2018. Then it fell dramatically to 7.8% - it has NEVER fallen that dramatically since they been keeping records. So, you can understand that given Trump's penchant for cooking the books, I take that 7.8% with a grain of salt.
Now on to your so-called historic rise in median income: Yes, it is impressive, but like poverty rate, it is a-historic, an outlier in other words. Why? Because the survey it is based on may have issues. It seems that the Economic Policy Institute discovered this -
"And yet there’s reason to put a big old asterisk on the data for 2019. Although the data release includes information about 2019 only, the data was collected between February and April of this year, right as the pandemic began to spread rapidly and most of the country was locked down. This Census paper discusses some of the impacts the pandemic had on data collection efforts. Overall, nonresponse increased significantly and was more strongly associated with income than in previous years, with nonresponse decreasing as income increases, meaning that income data could be skewed higher than it actually was. Respondents were also less likely to be Black and more likely to be white or Hispanic. Using that information, researchers at the Census provided new estimates for household income over the last four years, provided as a separate working paper and not adjusted in the official Census report." SO, only time will tell if those numbers can be trusted.
You won't let me talk about Trump's 2020 pandemic economic record (which is TERRIBLE) why should this reckless claim be given any credibility - "The best-ever quarterly GDP growth rate has been 33.4% for the third quarter (Q3) of 2020? Why didn't you mention in the same breath that the 2nd quarter 2020 was NEGATIVE 31.4% or that 1st Qtr was NEGATIVE 5% or Q4 was only 4.3%? Isn't what you presented called a deception?
Of course you didn't bother mentioning that Biden's 1st Qtr 2021 GDP was a very healthy 6.4% why? Now, if I were being disingenuous, I would have said that there hasn't been a quarterly growth like that since 1984. But I won't because I know it is an artifact of the economic recovery from the pandemic and doesn't represent anything more than things are getting better under Biden.
BTW - this INFLATION is a good thing because it show things are improving nicely. The question is, can it be kept under control?Once again, I offered you my opinion, and I offered sources that helped me come to my opinion. An economy is certainly not always measure by unemployment rates. There are many variables to consider, as my comment offered an explanation. We are in a rescission, in my view due to the Biden administration's poor decision-making, and rhetoric. His rhetoric is causing poor consumer confidence, and we are seeing rising prices and people drawing back from spending. We are on our way to big problems. I certainly hope I am wrong.
Let us examine the success in the first three years of his administration before the coronavirus flattened the economy. The unemployment rate fell less than 4 percent, which was near the lowest in HALF a century.
The inflation rate fell to 1 percent, which was even below the target level set by the Federal Reserve. This has kept the interest rates on mortgages and many other loans down to the lowest level in modern times.
The portion that fell below the poverty line declined to the lowest level EVER recorded in 2019.
The wealth of households, including their stocks, savings, and real estate, rose to the highest level IN HISTORY.
The Census Bureau saw the median income rise to above $65,000, up by more than $5,000 in three years and double the gains from the last decade.
Almost all of these benefits were most pronounced for minorities, notably Blacks and Hispanics.
The best-ever quarterly GDP growth rate has been 33.4% for the third quarter (Q3) of 2020.
Like I said Trump truly broke records, he worked hard to provide the American people one of the very best economies in our history. Biden already has us in a rut with prices rising quickly on EVERYTHING... Inflation is evident.
https://www.cnn.com/2021/05/25/business … index.html
https://www.forbes.com/sites/rickhelfen … 97507ae743
Let’s be realistic. Operation warp speed was a success which gave us vaccines. All this administration had to do was make certain they were made available to the public. So operation warp speed allowed the economy to open which created jobs. Biden laying claim to anything other than successfully making the vaccines available is a bit of a stretch.
It maybe an unwritten law now.
Vaccinated people now can punch unvaccinated in the face.
That pretty well, says it all.Scary. The holier than though attitude of many Americans on this subject does appear to make them believe they can assault each other over vaccinations.
Alot of pushback is now starting to happen. It must happen or we will be totally owned by the powers to be.
Let's be realistic - While the Warp Speed was a success, it was the ONLY approval Trump can claim regarding the pandemic, every other thing he did made things worse, much worse including his flubbed roll-out of the vaccine (which he did really care if Americans got). It took Biden to do the hard work of getting shots in a lot of arms.
Even hear, because of RINO stupidity, he will have a hard time getting America to herd immunity. Too many RINOs still believe Trump's exhortations that the virus isn't that bad and not to worry about it (600,000 deaths later)
No, Operation Warp Speed DID NOT allow the economy to open. It was Biden's push to get the resulting vaccines in arms that did - and we are still not there. There are several RINO states subject to additional waves of infection because they refuse to get vaccinated. Based on his Dec/Jan roll-out debacle, Trump would still be trying to figure out how to 1) get those vaccines produced and 2) how to get people to take them (remember, he hasn't even pushed his own supporters to get vaccinated!, He would still be telling them not to wear masks and not to social distance and that the pandemic was over in May 2020)I watched a congressional hearing the other day with the CDC and NIH heads claiming not much over half of their employees have been vaccinated. I don’t think all of those are the RINOs and, to be honest, had I known so many in those ranks would refuse the vaccine I might have been less inclined to get vaccinated.
What do they know that scares them?I see you fell for more conservative Fake News again. Here is the TRUTH.
"Federal health officials testified at a Senate committee hearing that about 60% of their employees have been vaccinated against COVID-19 so far. But viral online posts have distorted their comments to misleadingly claim that half of the employees “are refusing” the vaccines. The officials did not say anyone had refused to get vaccinated."
https://www.factcheck.org/2021/05/scich … cinations/
Even in my own office, none of which are RINO's (or even real Republicans), only 4 of 7 of us are vaccinated. One hold out will be vaccinated shortly and the other two are afraid of the short-term after effects of the shots.Ok maybe it is just your desire to belittle but, honestly, in my opinion 60% equates to not much more than 50%. We are saying the same thing. Does that mean you fell for the same thing I fell for?
Biden has already gotten GDP back up to the level it was before the Trump-Pandemic Recession.
The stock market continues to soar under Biden.Because of Joe Biden and his administrations great competency in getting the vaccine in people's arms so fast, some hospitals are reporting they are Covid Free
https://www.cnn.com/2021/06/06/us/us-co … index.html
(Although sadly, in those states resisting vaccination, some hospitals are seeing another surge)I am happy to read that the plug is being pulled on the environmentally devesting Keystone XL pipeline. I thank you Joe Biden (and Barak Obama), the world thanks you, and the earth thanks you.
https://www.cnn.com/2021/06/09/energy/k … index.html"Started economy growing again"
Really?
June 10 021U.S. consumer prices soar again and push CPI inflation rate to a 13-year high. The numbers: The cost of living surged again in May and drove the pace of inflation to a 13-year high of 5%, reflecting a broad increase in prices confronting Americans. The consumer price index jumped 0.6% last month to mark the fourth large gain in a row, the government said Thursday
The rate of inflation over the past year escalated to 5% from 4.2% in the prior month. That put it at the highest level since 2008, when the cost of oil hit a record $150 a barrel.
Another closely watched measure of inflation that omits volatile food and energy also shot up 0.7% in May. The 12-month rate climbed to 3.8% from 3%, a 29-year high.
Not sure about where this kind of inflation will lead us. So you may have given credit where it is not due.First you quote ""Started economy growing again" - and then disagree with "Really? June 10 021U.S. consumer prices soar again and push CPI inflation rate to a 13-year high. " - People who understand economics know that one has nothing to do with the other. You can have a growing economy with little inflation or you can have a growing economy with a lot of inflation (although it is almost impossible to have a growing economy with negative inflation). Consequently, what you said makes no sense at all.
All that data, I am sure, is correct. But at this point in time it doesn't mean much. You can look at this way, the economy is reacting to a decade of artificially low inflation. Like anything that is prevented from reaching its normal lever, when the forces keeping it down are suddenly released then there will be a violent reaction in the other direction - that is just the way things work. It is up to the Fed to insure it doesn't spiral out of control and ruin what gains have been made."Started economy growing again" - I was being sarcastic.
My comment was to point out current inflation... I did that. We are currently having inflation. June 10, 2021 --- consumer prices soar again and push the CPI inflation rate to a 13-year high. The numbers: The cost of living surged again in May and drove the pace of inflation to a 13-year high of 5%, reflecting a broad increase in prices confronting Americans. The consumer price index jumped 0.6% last month to mark the fourth large gain in a row, the government said Thursday. I quoted a Market Watch article, that provides stats, not predictions. I offered no opinion or really added anything that I could not prove as factual. You don't like the stats that's your problem. My comment contains stats that are being widely reported. So not sure why you state they don't make sense. They are stats, numbers percentages.
"All that data, I am sure, is correct. But at this point in time it doesn't mean much."
I never said they did...here is what I said.-- Not sure about where this kind of inflation will lead us. So you may have given credit where it is not due.
https://www.marketwatch.com/story/infla … 2021-06-10And "So you may have given credit where it is not due." is what is disconnected. The economy and stock market are doing GREAT since Biden was elected. The fact that inflation is overcorrecting a little bit doesn't take away from that.
"Lumber futures have faced significant weakness in the past month following a major move higher during the Covid pandemic. Lumber futures for July delivery fell more than 5% to $1,158 per thousand board feet Tuesday, which is down more than 30% from a record $1,711 on May 10."
Congress passed (except for 13 RINOs) and Joe Biden signed a long overdue National Holiday - Juneteenth which commemorates the ending slavery in America.
Another problem solved.I must say you come up with some real chuckles... This takes the cake. First, I am pleased that Juneteenth has been made a Holiday. However, this was not a pressing problem. Just another opportunity for Biden to pander. In my view, I think many American's realize this was sheer pandering.
"Biden signed into law a bill to make Juneteenth, or June 19, the 12th federal holiday. The House voted 415-14 on Wednesday to send the bill to Biden, while the Senate passed the bill unanimously"
You consider this a problem? How about our border to start? We have Florida sending in National Guard to help secure it, due to Joe refusing to recognize the problem, and Texas now confirming they will continue building the wall. Biden needs to stop pandering and start solving problems that affect all Americans.
I for one am very displeased with Biden's job performance. He literally has done nothing. And the summer break is here for Congress. I think it great you posted a three to keep a tally on what you consider Biden's accomplishments. I assume as time goes on we can follow what Biden has done that is positive for the country.
You may have wanted to add Joe's G7 reviews, they were actually somewhat positive.
Promise not kept.
WASHINGTON – The Senate failed to advance a sweeping voting rights bill Tuesday, stalling the Democratic legislation aimed at countering recent restrictive state measures pursued in Republican-led states.
The Senate failed to advance the For the People Act to the floor for a debate. In a vote of 50-50, it fell short of the 60 needed to overcome a GOP filibuster. All Democratic Senators voted to begin debate, and the Republicans unanimously voted to block it.
Hearing Peoples Act Bill--- This hearing is very informative, and American citizens really need to listen to the hearing to really have a better idea about what this bill was all about. Senators on both sides can be heard making their case for or against The Peoples Act Bill. You be the judge but make an informed judgment. IMO this bill was unconstitutional, and nothing but a power grab. A power grab that Republicans certainly could have made while they controlled the House and Senate under Trump. But did not... Why, because they keep to, and protect our Constitution. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AUmHu6l … p;t=27291s
One fact that is very glaring in regards to the 2020 election--- We had a historic turnout in numbers of votes cast. Historic numbers. Does this fact stand to provide the need to change our voting laws? Does this fact stand to make it necessary for our voting laws to become Federalized? Does this historic voter turnout call for our Constitution to be amended? Do facts matter any longer when it comes to changing our laws, our Constitution? Or do the media's OPINIONs just matter more?I just saw this - "One fact that is very glaring in regards to the 2020 election--- We had a historic turnout in numbers of votes cast. Historic numbers. Does this fact stand to provide the need to change our voting laws? " -
THEN Please tell me Republicans are changing them in every Red state??? What the Democrats are trying to do is make sure we keep having historic numbers by cancelling out all of the restrictions Republicans are putting on voting.Do larger numbers of votes give rise to additional probability, no matter how low, of fraud?
Those magnificent numbers happened because of extreme emotional responses to the election; do such emotions give rise to an increased probability, no matter how low, of fraud (will people cheat more if they are angry or scared)?
Be honest and then repeat that we need no voter security.We need to protect ourselves from Republican voters[/b\ since they are the [b]only ones found guilty of it in 2020 that I read about.
I suspect they may give rise to an insignificant rise in probability. But, since it is at an almost imperceptible volume to start with, there was no need for the draconian, Jim Crow measures the Republicans took.
It is that fact and the many pronouncements by Republicans in GA, TX, FL, and many other states that this was the most honest election ever which will probably carry the day in DOJ's suit against GA and any other state that is trying to suppress the vote.
And I am being honest when I say we don't need MORE voter security. What America needs is more access to voting than we already have to drive those numbers further up. I think both the John Lewis Act (to reestablish Section 5 in the Voter Rights Act) and Sen Joe Manchin's compromise bill, which no true American should have any problem with, are the answer we need.Is there a reason you neglected to answer or even consider the two questions I asked?
Is there a reason you didn't read/understand my response? Or did you hide two questions in your comment that I didn't answer?
Here, I'll repeat them:
With more voters does the probability that some will be fraud increase?
With an emotionally charged election such as we just had, does the probability of fraud increase?
You failed to address either one - try again?And I will repeat my answers -
- "With more voters does the probability that some will be fraud increase?" my answer was I suspect they may give rise to an insignificant rise in probability. But, since it is at an almost imperceptible volume to start with, there was no need for the draconian, Jim Crow measures the Republicans took.
'With an emotionally charged election such as we just had, does the probability of fraud increase?" - My answer is the same "I suspect they may give rise to an insignificant rise in probability. But, since it is at an almost imperceptible volume to start with, there was no need for the draconian, Jim Crow measures the Republicans took.
It is pretty clear the RINO objective is to lower the amount of voting in hopes that they can actually win a national or statewide election.So you think fraudulent voting will rise, but are willing to bet the integrity of the election will not be compromised because the numbers are too small. And you base this on the opinion, unsupported by investigative facts, that the level of fraud is insignificant now.
Do I need to mention that your reasoning is badly flawed (or nonexistent) and that the claims that the GOP wishes to limit voting is worse?Nope, try reading my answer again and take your blinders off this time.
1. I think fraudulent voting MIGHT rise imperceptibly (do you see the nuance there?)
2. I am not willing to BET anything because ALL of the data shows that what fraud does occur (apparently by Republicans only now) in modern elections have no bearing on the outcome. Just read the statements by your heroes like Ron DeSantis "He reiterated Friday that Florida held the “smoothest and most successful election of any state” in November,"
It is not my "opinion", it is the result of much research that fraud is almost non-existent in modern elections.(I have provided these to you before but you apparently ignored them)
https://www.brennancenter.org/sites/def … d_Myth.pdf
Here is an example of the MASSIVE voter fraud from the very conservative Heritage Foundation - 1,328 PROVEN instances of fraud over almost FORTY YEARS.
https://www.heritage.org/voterfraud/sea … mp;page=65
So please, join the Real World.
"Do I need to mention that your reasoning is badly flawed (or nonexistent) and that the claims that the GOP wishes to limit voting is worse?" - LOL, I guess you didn't read any of the repressive Republican legislation either.That's what I said; no real evidence was found in the investigations that never took place, so we know there will never be significant fraud regardless of how loose we make voting security.
The twisted thought train of the liberal is fascinating to see.So what you are saying is that you are so blind to reality that you don't even believe one of your own, the very conservative Heritage Foundation's. Interesting, but not surprising.
Did the foundation check that every vote was from a registered, legal voter? Did they check that no one voted more than once? Did they interview every voter to see if and when they voted and who they voted for - did it match the count? Did they check for harassments at the polls? Did they search hard for destroyed ballots, or ballots that should not have been accepted? There is a whole raft of methods to commit voting fraud - did they thoroughly check for all of them in every election for 40 years?
Or did they look at court records for convictions over those 40 years for fraud? There is a vast difference between actually looking for fraud and looking at conviction records. Can I assume you understand the difference here?
To simply assume that every location took great pains (we know they do not) to ensure security, and every instance found resulted in a conviction is foolish beyond belief.
(Did the acceptance of illegally late ballots in the last election result in a conviction? Did anyone even report it? Did anyone care that it was against state law? Or was it simply ignored in favor of getting more Democrat ballots counted?)"Did the foundation check that every vote was from a registered, legal voter? ...." - Sorry, those are really stupid questions.
You know as well as I do, your conservative Heritage Foundation researched all of the provable cases of fraud and reported on them. Unlike Trump, they are ethical enough not to make things up.
"(Did the acceptance of illegally late ballots in the last election result in a conviction? " - AS YOU like to say, WHERE is your proof of that? Trump certain didn't provide any and that which he did claim as evidence the Courts threw out as hog wash. You must have some hidden knowledge that Trump doesn't have access to, lol.
Your whole comment is the definition of a desperate grasping at straws.No, the Heritage foundation went back 40 years (or whatever it was) looking for court convictions concerning voter fraud.
That is NOT how to determine if there was fraud and you know and understand it as well as I do. The problem is that if you acknowledge that it means that we just might need some voting security and that goes against the liberal agenda.
There cannot possibly be a weaker straw than "We know there is no fraud because the investigations we did not conduct did not find any".
(I do, however, understand your claim that questions on what was done to check for fraud are stupid; if they weren't you would have to again acknowledge that we actually DON'T check much of anything. That's unacceptable, right?)
America's economy is booming, but Republicans are Miserable reads the headline.
HIGHLIGHTS, beyond what I have presented earlier.
- " GDP is growing again, surging for the past three quarters after dips in the first half of last year."
- "The job market is recovering too, as workers in hard-hit services sectors return to employment."
- "Earnings have rebounded "
- "US stocks touched record highs on Tuesday. " (Trump's favorite measure)
- "The housing market continues to sizzle."
- "it's pretty much back to business as usual for many major cities."
- "Oxford Economics expects the US economy will grow at an average pace of 7.5% in 2021, the fastest growth rate since 1951." (hopefully it cools down quickly. If not, the inflation fears may become real)
- "Americans are also traveling again. " (driving up gas prices)
- "United Airlines announced the largest aircraft purchase in the company's history and the biggest order by any airline in about a decade."
An interesting finding is that Pre-Trump, the Michigan Consumer Sentiment Index showed that Republicans and Democrats roughly felt the same way. If the Index was down, both Rs and Ds were down. If the Index was up, both the Rs and Ds were up.
During and after Trump, Consumer Sentiment appears to have been politicized along with everything else. During Trump, Republican and Democratic Sentiment went in opposite directions. Same with the first few months of Biden - Republicans think things stink while Democrats are optimistic.
https://www.cnn.com/2021/06/29/economy/ … index.htmlWOW!!! Biden adds 850,000 jobs in June. Great work Mr. president.
https://www.cnn.com/2021/07/02/economy/ … index.htmlYep - as governors re-open their states after COVID shut down the jobs come back. And, of course, it is because of Biden's efforts, not the states and not COVID.
Now if we could only FILL those jobs in spite of Biden's efforts to pay people to stay home! I notice that some states are ending his great giveaways and with it the encouragement to sit home rather than work. Does Biden get credit for that, too? Will he get credit for giving tens of thousands of people months of paid vacation funded by the tax receipts from those willing to work?Hey you gave Trump credit for things he had nothing to do with, I give Biden credit for things he did do such as - how did I put it for Sharlee - "But what he did do was create the conditions so that those people COULD return to those jobs. As I said GREAT JOB Mr. President."
"spite of Biden's efforts to pay people to stay home! " - The Experts disagree with that right-wing myth.
You will have to wait until July before any analysis of states cutting off aid had any real impact. Those actions didn't affect June numbers. So you think the pandemic was a vacation for all of those laid off - typical.LOL The ONLY thing Biden to re-open the economy was to continue the vaccine program started by Trump. Individual states did the rest, as you well know.
I'm positive that the Left Wing, Trump Hating "experts" will deny that giving more free money than they can earn by working to people that won't work is a good way to get them to work. Fortunately many of us don't fall for the Tall Tale, and in fact predicted exactly what we see happening as soon as the Great Giveaway was proposed.
Yeah - when you take home more from Uncle Sam than from your job it is a vacation. Paid time off - it is indeed termed a "vacation", particularly when the new pay schedule is far better than your job provided.
But Eso, you know this. And you know that if people are being paid more to stay home than they would get working then they will stay home. It isn't rocket science to figure that one out, and you are quite capable of making the connection. Just as your "experts" are. If we pay farmers not to plant crops, and the payment is far above any reasonable expectation of profit, they won't plant. No difference, and it has worked for decades."LOL The ONLY thing Biden to re-open the economy was to continue the vaccine program started by Trump. Individual states did the rest, as you well know." - ACTUALLY, you know most of that is FALSE. All Trump did was sign off on Operation Warp Speed (a major accomplishment) and didn't get in the way (as he is prone to do) of others like Dr. Fauci who did the miraculous work of getting a vaccine ready in 12 months. - That was the TRUE part, the rest is FALSE or mostly FALSE.
Trump was fumbling the vaccine roll-out terribly by 100% relying on the states, many (all Red) of who are still way behind the power curve. It took Biden to properly use the Defense Production Act and to nationalize the distribution that got so many shots into so many arms in the states who were willing to get their people vaccinated (mostly Blue). So NO, "Individual states did not do the rest, as you well know."
"I'm positive that the Left Wing, Trump Hating "experts" will deny that giving more free money ..." - THE DATA says you are wrong here as well. The data show that there are many reasons why people aren't taking jobs - the extra unemployment benefit is just one small part of that.
"And you know that if people are being paid more to stay home than they would get working then they will stay home. " - JUST another right-wing myth.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/outlook/ … wage-work/
These are people returning to jobs they held before the pandemic. Biden did not create these jobs. Biden made it rain, and people have just realized the cash is about to end ... Again CNN
In my view all Biden's done so far is create inflation and a gigantic problem at the border. And generally trying to spend money that we don't have. IMO -- He is a pure disaster.Did I say he created those jobs??? No I didn't. But what he did do was create the conditions so that those people COULD return to those jobs. As I said GREAT JOB Mr. President.
I use CNN because they publish the TRUTH and it is convenient, unlike your sources.
You forgot the record growth in GDP, best since 1951, I think, or was it 1984?
More great news out of that jobs report - year-over-year wage increase was 3.6%!! Not bad President Biden.
https://www.cnbc.com/2021/07/02/jobs-re … -2021.htmlPart of a bubble, a small bubble at that... I am sure you are aware that employers have had to up the ante to get people back in their jobs. many have just been enjoying staying home on Joe's brilliant plan to give $300.00 more in unemployment. Yes, such a brilliant bit of thinking on Joe's part.
This "bit" of a wage gain will be well earned when em[loyers cut back on staff, and leave the work to fewer. And oh, those that get the can will be right back on unemployment.So you buy into this right-wing myth as well, I see. " many have just been enjoying staying home on Joe's brilliant plan to give $300.00 more in unemployment."
The fact is the extra unemployment benefits is only a small part of why people are refusing to work. For example, many don't think it is safe yet. https://www.washingtonpost.com/outlook/ … wage-work/The money Joe provides has poured back into the economies. It's money that needed to be printed. His economy is the Trump economy return and fluffy money that has caused inflation. Hopefully, the rest of the jobs trump created will soon be added to the Jobs numbers. Biden lost our jobs, no way could I give Biden credit for something the Trump administration did.
In my opinion, Biden is sinking faster than I felt he would. Still hiding, still making non-sensical statements.
I do not read WAPO --- ever
Let's have a look at inflation, this is where the rubber hits the road -- when America's start feeling their pockets light ...
U.S. inflation likely to remain elevated for up to four years
https://www.reuters.com/business/global … 021-06-25/
Let's look at inflation where the rubber hit the road --- American's pockets.
U.S. Inflation Is Highest in 13 Years as Prices Surge 5%
https://www.wsj.com/articles/us-inflati … 1623288303
U.S. inflation soars in April to 13-year high, CPI shows, and reveals fresh stress on the economy https://www.marketwatch.com/story/u-s-i … 1620823628"It's money that needed to be printed. " - ANOTHER one of your unsupported and false claims.
If this were true, then Trump printed tons of money, didn't he.
"I do not read WAPO --- ever" - That is not surprising and it helps explain why you are so uninformed with the TRUTH.
Rather than your "the sky is falling, chicken little" headlines. This is what the real question is about inflation:
"There’s no debate about whether America is experiencing significant inflation. But a short-term increase in prices would be no big deal; in fact, it might even be a good thing, since inflation has been excessively low over the past decade. (Just what I have told you many times already)
The question is whether today’s price increases are the beginning of lasting trend, or the product of a temporary mismatch between demand and supply, as the economy adjusts to post-COVID crisis conditions. The Federal Reserve, the government entity most responsible for tracking inflation, endorses the latter hypothesis. But some economists disagree."
https://nymag.com/intelligencer/article … rices.html"I do not read WAPO --- ever" - That is not surprising and it helps explain why you are so uninformed with the TRUTH."
That would be your opinion, which I am not surprised at.
I offered several economist opinions. take them or leave them. I choose to give them merit.
Whether they think it safe or not, precious few would starve rather than go back to their job...if they weren't being paid to stay home.
"if they weren't being paid to stay home." - AND WHERE are the studies to back up that claim? If you produce none, then we know your claim is false.
Do you need a study to see if Biden authorized federal unemployment to supplement state unemployment? I was pretty sure that everyone in the country knew about that.
Thought so, your claim that Biden is paying people to stay home is false..
So, you are encouraging people to get very sick and possibly die in order not to starve? Is that right? How big of you. Or maybe you are telling them to go make their fellow unvaccinated workers very sick and possibly die. Sounds like it is one or the other or maybe both.
LOL You assumptions are always great to see. The ability to put ridiculous thoughts into the heads of others takes a special talent.
How about they just get a vaccination like everyone else and quit living off the charity of others? If they would rather risk sickness and death, by NOT getting a vaccination, it is certainly a choice they can make, but it IS their choice.There are many people who can't get vaccinated. There are many more who are like you and don't trust the gov't enough to think the vaccination is safe yet. Many conservatives oppose it on principle (which means you think your fellow conservatives are moochers to).
I agree that the vaccines are safe and effective but there are so many like you who believe the lies put out by right-wing propaganda or the evangelical pastors, that it isn't. It seems to me you would a prime candidate to thinking that way given you have bought into Trump's BIg Lie and his other BS so easily.There are very few that cannot get vaccinated. But just as you say, the REST of the crowd (99.99%?) make a choice not to protect themselves or others. Only problem is that that choice includes the choice to sponge off of the efforts of others at the same time. Unacceptable to any but liberals like you, who rejoice in taking what a person has built in order to give it to someone that would rather stay home. You make that choice to not protect yourself (or your neighbors, friends and acquaintances), fine...but make the choice to go hungry along with it. Don't expect others to pick up your needs because you choose not to do it yourself.
Now, now, Eso - you really should not be spreading lies like these. I don't believe vaccines are not safe. I don't believe the election had fraud to the point of changing it. You can, of course, make the claim that I do believe these things but it is a flat out lie. No spin, no twist, no exaggeration...just a flat out lie, and one really beneath you."Unacceptable to any but liberals like you, who rejoice in taking what a person has built in order to give it to someone that would rather stay home. " - Apparently it is acceptable to many conservatives as well since they are on the dole as well - so it is not just a liberal thing, is it.
Here is one reason why I say that as well as saying as each day goes by, there are fewer and fewer Trump supporters around to vote for the Big Liar again.
This research plots county vaccination rates against percentage of Trump voters in each county. It is clear the unvaccinated today are largely Trump voters and with the much higher mortality rate of the Delta variant, they are clearly committing suicide with their stupidity.
https://acasignups.net/21/07/04/happy-i … els-county
That is a very impressing and very telling chart!Not sure what any of that has to do with claiming what I think or believe...
Are you lumping into a group - having decided that because I'm generally conservative (with some really big differences) I believe as the fringe conservative elements do? Like deciding that all blacks cannot get a voter ID, cannot enter a building to find a drop box and cannot vote without having water and food handed to them because they have dark skin?"Are you lumping into a group - having decided that because I'm generally conservative (with some really big differences) I believe as the fringe conservative elements do? "
Absolutely because the only thing i have to go on is your comments. And those comments, by and large, reflect the fringe element, i.e. the Trump element of the conservatives.
The second part of your statement is simple nonsense because you used the work "ALL".I see. That I don't like Trump means I'm fringe and love him. That I don't like his stance on religious issues means I'm fringe and love him and his policies. That I found his tantrum at losing to be abhorrent means I love him. I have to say that your reasoning process is in much need of some TLC.
OK - you may change ALL to MOST. Or even a LARGE MINORITY if it makes you feel better."That I don't like Trump means I'm fringe and love him. " - You not liking Trump and what he stands for would be very hard to believe since you consistently defend him and almost anything he does. Sure, you might find one thing here or another thing there about him you might find distasteful, but by and large you appear to buy into his fantasy world.
Why don't you try using an appropriate word like "Some"? With that refinement and a couple of other changes,then "Like deciding that SOME blacks cannot get a voter ID, cannot enter a building to find a drop box and cannot vote without having water and food handed to them because they have dark skin and will probably vote Democratic?" makes perfect sense because it is TRUE.
The whole purpose of all of these voter suppression laws is to reduce the turnout of Democratic voters.I DO like what Trump stands for - the return of business to American shores. Jobs for everyone. Low taxes. Only necessary regulations. Increased, vs decreased, freedoms for all. A closed border. A nation of laws.
That you choose to pretend these things are NOT what he proposes doesn't change that. Nor does it mean liberals are for such things, no matter how hard you might try.
You missed the sarcasm. There are NO blacks that cannot enter a building to find a drop box. There are NO blacks that cannot vote without having water and food handed to them. Again, no matter how hard you try, saying there are does not make it so.
The whole purpose of all voter suppression laws is to reduce the turnout of ANY voter, not just Democratic ones. Fortunately, there are precious few (perhaps 2 in the country?) that are actually attempting to limit voting. The rest are to promote fair elections, and again it doesn't matter how hard you promote that black folks, or those voting Democrat, require water in line in order to vote it remains a false statement.
No election will ever be perfect throughout the country. Last time we worked through the COVID crises and, while the results were not perfect, they were pretty good overall. Yes, we had some areas violating state laws, and we had some extraordinary lines from unexpectedly large numbers of voters, and we had some areas mailing out unsolicited ballots to everyone they had and address for whether that address was accurate or not, but overall we did pretty good considering the times. That's the best we can hope for; minimize problems while maximizing security - that liberals will, every time, ignore the second does not make it wise to do so."I DO like what Trump stands for - the return of business to American shores." - but at what cost?. Clearly you do not believe in international supply and demand. In any case, Trump didn't achieve that goal as our trade deficit kept getting larger.
"Jobs for everyone." - Obama already did that, Trump simply didn't screw it up.
"Low taxes" - For the Rich and Rich Corporation you mean. The middle and lower classes saw very little of that, if any.
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/two-years- … truggling/
https://www.usatoday.com/in-depth/news/ … 685282001/
"Only necessary regulations. " - Yes, and because of it America is a much more unhealthful place - thank you very much Trump for bringing back pollution.
"Increased, vs decreased, freedoms for all" - I guess Black, gays, women, legal immigrants don't fit into your category for "all". BTW, besides giving white Supremacists more freedom, name me one law or EO he signed that increase freedom for white men (let alone women, gays, and legal immigrants).
"A closed border." - actually he didn't do that either, the pandemic did.
"A Nation of Laws" - that is what we had - until Trump came around and wouldn't it have been nice if he had followed them himself.
"You missed the sarcasm. " - Apparently. But your rejoinder is absurd and your use of absolutes totally misses the point of the Jim Crow laws. Of course, we hope, any Democrats aren't prohibited from entering a building to use a drop box. That is your creation, not mine, so it needs to be ignored.
But what is true, they made drop boxes harder to get to by limiting the number of them and the hours they are available and having to be observed. The Republicans are under the perception that using drop boxes is a Democratic thing, since they used it a lot. Therefore, by making it harder to use them, it puts an unneeded burden on voters especially since there is no fraud at all associated with drop boxes. That is what Florida did and now it is harder for me and my wife to vote.
"The whole purpose of all voter suppression laws is to reduce the turnout of ANY voter" - LOL, there is more evidence of the fantasy world you live in. If that were true, why aren't Blue states enacting these laws? Why is it only Red states trying to protect their Republican majority? It also is absolutely ridiculous that laws would be passed to suppress all voters. What would be the purpose. There isn't any. Consequently, since only Red states are passing suppression laws, it is only logical their target are people who vote Democratic.
"The rest are to promote fair elections," - Wrong again, as you buy into the RINO widespread voter fraud myth. The elections were fair with extremely little fraud (what was found was all Republican, btw, a fact you fail to appreciate). So, what is to promote? NOTHING. It is clear the RINOs are trying to rig the election in their favor.
"No election will ever be perfect throughout the country. Last time we worked through the COVID crises and, while the results were not perfect, they were pretty good overall. " - how can you write that with a straight face, lol, after everything you just wrote presupposes the election was not "good overall"? If the election was "good overall" you wouldn't have all of these Red states writing hundreds of laws trying to rig the election in their favor.
This argument from the Right always amazes me - "and we had some areas mailing out unsolicited ballots to everyone they had and address for whether that address was accurate or not, " - SO WHAT? Why does that matter? They can mail out billions of ballots for all I care, but the only thing that counts is the one that is sent back with a signature on it that matches the voting records. (you do have a minor exception of the Republican voter in PA who voted for is dead mother and mother-in- law. He is in jail the last I heard.) The ONLY reason the Right doesn't want all of those ballots out there is to cut down on the number of Democrats returning them.
He's trying to rebuild the international trust. The relationship between Europe and the US has shifted dramatically during Trumps reign. Europe understanding that the US is not an ally automatically.
Another thing Biden has brought is the language of communication. Trump was and is a warmonger in the social media. Constantly provoking. It poisons the discussion on topics where the middle ground was erased and only white or black opinions mattered.
The press briefings are finally normal again and not a social media show.
And Biden can recite a poem."Europe understanding that the US is not an ally automatically." - That is probably one of the top five terrible, possibly irreparable, things Trump did in his short four years - destroy the trust other nations had in America's word.
It will probably take a few generations of successive normal presidents before the rest of the world will believe we won't implode like we did in 2016 and elect another demagogue like him. Given that at least a third of Americans have been brainwashed by him, the right-wing propaganda and their helpers Russian, China, and Iran, and the massive effort by RINOs to undermine our democracy, that is no sure thing.After two failed, fake impeachment efforts and years of failed witch hunting for anything that would remove him from the political arena I have to question just who is trying to undermine our democracy. The concept of a legally conducted election is set aside in favor of media and court challenges to the opponent you don't like any more.
Yes, I wonder if it will ever be like that again. Besides Trump's questionable foreign political ideas (were there any?) The fast data collection by the American government (Think about the Snowden files, monitoring etc) and the private companies like Facebook, Amazon, Apple, Thiels Pandora project and others also alarmed Europe. Making them more stringent laws about privacy and data collection.
It's a sad thing, And the days that the US could ask Europe to help to invade Iraq are over. I think if the US wants to invade Iran for example, Europe would say, fight your own war. It's a good thing and a bad thing.
I think the US does not have the leverage anymore to police the world. with consequences as more dictators like Erdogan will take advantage.
Russia is testing Biden by sending troops to the borders, a macho thing he didn't need to do with Trump, as he controlled Trump who was politically naive. (great in social media branding though..)
So yes, the coming years will be tough for Biden as the political stage has shifted. With China taking over political influence in Africa.
Interesting to see that more and more Chinese documentaries are seen on Netflix for example. China reaching out in the cultural domain, once dominated by Holywood. In the art scene, China is for a decade or so the avantgarde with important world-dominating galleries.
I'm afraid that the US lost itself in nostalgia. Trump's fascist slogan with Make America Great again showed this nostalgia to the once Great America. (Ring a bell...German Fascism also longing for the old forgotten days when Germany was a great empire...Nordic myths etc...it's textbook fascism using nostalgia as a weapon.)
Don't look backwards, but forwards. To me that was always the great power of the US. new tech, new avant-garde arts and design. I hope the US with Biden will have the guts to become a world leader again in fighting the biggest crisis of all the Climate Crisis.The perspective you forward is one from an extreme, I'm not going to put a label to it, other than to say you have voiced and expounded upon every negative thing ever said or written about Trump.
I have no heartburn over Trump being removed from Office, but, I also don't think the alternative that America was presented is going to prove 'better' for America... especially when it comes to foreign relations.
You've noted the negatives regarding Trump, let me note that there were some positives however, such as, no one wanted to make a seriously hostile move as they had no idea how he would react, also, they expected that he would look out for America first... not always a bad thing when trying to sit down and negotiate with a foreign nation.
Biden's recent appearance at the G7 summit held June 2021 11-13th showed to the other world leaders that he is a man of declining mental capability, he had to be handled and managed by his entourage and this was all too obvious to foreign media coverage.
The American MSM is in full blown protection mode, as voracious as they were in pointing out every gaff or mistake Trump made, they are working just as diligently today to dismiss or explain away any stumble or screw-up by Biden.
Biden doesn't get that support or protection from foreign media, nor will other world leaders play nice because 'Good ol' Joe' is going a bit senile... they will take advantage and they will push where they see weakness (we will see this especially with China in the months ahead).
Unfortunately, where Pence was a calming and steady presence for Trump's Administration, giving most people the confidence that if the Presidency fell to Pence things would be well managed... few have that belief or perception today about Harris, all we read about today in regards to her is 'White House in Damage Control', in fact, the more speaking she does in public, the more worried people seem to be getting that behind the ailing Biden, sits Harris.
So, when it comes to foreign relations it is very much a matter of perspective whether or not things have "improved' from Trump.
However, when it comes to going along with the Paris Accord, Compact on Migration, deferring to the IMF, UN, WTO... you are correct, Biden is very much what was wanted, a polar opposite of Trump.
Interesting. More Americans think America is going in the right direction since 2009 - Keep it up Joe.
It still isn't above 50%, but when has it ever been? Maybe sometime in the Clinton years. Looking at the chart, it appears Biden is doing 8 to 9 points better than Trump did.
The same with Congressional approval. While still dismal, it has been running higher since shortly after Biden took office and the Democrats took over than it ever has back to 2009. It actually started improving when the Democrats took over the House.
https://www.realclearpolitics.com/epoll … y-902.html
https://www.realclearpolitics.com/epoll … l-903.htmlMyself I have lost faith in the polls --- but the polls today have Biden slipping further...
https://www.reuters.com/world/us/suppor … 021-06-30/
https://www.forbes.com/sites/jackbrewst … d9506763d1
https://www.forbes.com/sites/jackbrewst … 29b30a348f
https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news … biden-poll
AND WHY THE HELL HAS BIDEN NOT RESPONDED TO CHINA"S THREAT? I realize he said he would be off celebrating the 4th -- but come on.
The Chinese communist regime is moving aggressively to expand its influence abroad, while issuing unveiled threats to other countries that might think of trying to stop it – as the U.S. is trying to rally allies to push back against the regime's expansionist efforts.
"The Chinese people will absolutely not allow any foreign force to bully, oppress or enslave us and anyone who attempts to do so will face broken heads and bloodshed in front of the iron Great Wall of the 1.4 billion Chinese people," President Xi Jinping said this week as he marked the 100 year anniversary of the party’s founding.
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/china- … -heads.amp
Perhaps he does not want to jeopardize Hunter's case flow from China or maybe Hunter hopes to sell his art in China?"AND WHY THE HELL HAS BIDEN NOT RESPONDED TO CHINA"S THREAT? " - And what makes you think he hasn't? I guess bringing our allies around to oppose China after Trump did his damnedest to push Europe and China closer together, doesn't count.
Oh, and you think anyone at the G7 listened to Biden? I don't think he could be heard through all the loud laughing. We had a president that knew how to solve problems and did not look to other countries to aid us. IMO Biden is a weak non-sensical man, he always has been. He is failing so fast. He can hardly read his cheat sheets. Even when he has the name of who to call on, and his reply right in front of him, he flubs it He is comical to watch.
Oh, and you think anyone at the G7 listened to Biden? - Yet they paid
very close attention to him. I suspect they were all still laughing at Trump.
BTW, your BDS is shining brightly.
Not sure why you think anyone paid attention to Biden. He did not accomplish anything... He claimed to have told Putin there would be consequences if the Russians kept hacking for ransom. Well, I am sure you heard that Russia done did it again--- And we have an ineffective leader that can't figure out which shoe goes on which foot.
"Biden under pressure to respond to Russian hackers' claims of responsibility for ransomware attack"
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/nation … k-n1273123
Biden has one problem after another piling up... Crime, inflation, Delta virus, and China out and out threatening America, and now Russia kicking dirt in his face with their hacking, and each shaking incident has gotten bigger and more serious. Oh, forgot the mess at the border with record numbers of illegals walking into the country. And then today he comes up with the brilliant idea to combat Delta --- Time to go door to door to get people to take the vaccine. WOW --- Trump jumps on COVID brings America 3 vaccines --- Joe brings us a solution a five-year-old would think of. It is no wonder he is confused, it would be hard to keep track of all the problems he can't handle.
To quote Kenna McHugh Fellow Hubpage Author
"Similarly, no one on planet Earth really believes that a guy with no following, no actual accomplishments, no likable characteristics, a history of creepy behavior toward women and children, substantial evidence of selling his influence to foreign interests, who campaigned from his basement and of course, showing strong signs of onset dementia, actually pulled 8o+ million votes in a recent contest, the most in U.S history."
IMO Kenna summed Joe up to perfection.It is clear you have a terminal case of Biden Derangement Syndrome, BDS.
Remember, Trump left our relationship with our allies a total shambles. Biden began the repair process, which will probably take decades to accomplish. Trump totally destroyed the TRUST all the presidents before him had created with other nations of the world. Biden has put us back on the road to recovery.
One of Biden's major proposals to the group -- a global infrastructure program meant to compete with China's Belt and Road initiative -- was included in the summit's final statement.
Biden put Democracy back in front instead of autocracy that Trump played to.
"Trump jumps on COVID brings America 3 vaccines " - LOL - and then he left the stage letting people die by the thousands. Vaccines don't do anybody any good unless they are used. Trump totally failed at that. I guess you are calling Trump less than a 5-year old since he couldn't think of a way to deliver the vaccines to the People. He wouldn't even he make a constant case to his brainwashed masses to get vaccinated. I think ONCE he half-heartedly said use the vaccine. What a terrible person.
BTW, why are ALL those RINO governors letting their states become breeding grounds for the Delta variant? They are clearly failing their citizens and ought to be recalled.I note you deflected to Trump. Biden has created all his own problems, and it's clear there is no defending his job performance. He is the very worse president we have ever had. Each and every problem I offered up --- Biden created. There is no defending him, why bother.
In my opinion, Biden did nothing at the G7 and fat chance of global infrastructure" this tool can't even get an infrastructure bill done here in
America. He is a politician all hot wind, He has done nothing, and will do nothing, but pile up problems.As long as Biden promises to pay for his global infrastructure from the American pocketbook he will be cheered. As soon as it becomes clear it won't happen he will be booed to the heavens.
Very much the truth... And it is clear Biden thinks our funds to toss around the world are limitless. This man is only half there and does not belong in the White House.
"As long as Biden promises to pay for his global infrastructure from the American pocketbook he will be cheered. " - Show me where he said that. Otherwise, it is another of your famous fabrications.
"I note you deflected to Trump." - How did I "deflect" to Trump? Are you embarrassed by him?
"Biden has created all his own problems," - And exactly HOW did Biden do that? You put out words but they are based on nothing but right-wing talking points.
"He is the very worse president we have ever had. " - I know you know this, but BDS is making you say that. More unbiased minds say that Trump, Buchanan, and Andrew Johnson take the title of the worst president ever.
Crime, inflation, Delta virus, and China out and out threatening America, and now Russia kicking dirt in his face with their hacking, and each shaking incident has gotten bigger and more serious.
" Each and every problem I offered up --- Biden created. " - WHICH is pure fabrication and BDS on your part.
How did Biden "Create" Crime? Why don't you look at five years of violent rhetoric from Trump as the cause. Why don't you look at your side's insistence that anybody can buy a gun without a universal background check as part of the cause? Why don't you look at your side's hyperventilation whenever banning weapons of war comes up as part of the cause?
How did Biden "create" inflation? Well, you might have a point there since he got the economy going again, inflation is a natural by-product. I guess the solution was to stay in a recession.
How did Biden "create" the Delta variant? That is the silliest one of all. I would point the finger at Trump and the GOP as the main reason it has taken hold in America since they created the environment where so many Trump supporters refuse to get vaccinated and become breeding grounds for the spread of the Delta variant and potentially more deadly strains.
How did Biden "create" China out and out threatening us? They were doing THAT long before Biden took office.
How did Biden "create" the cyberattacks on America? Again, they and Putin were doing that all through the Trump administration and Trump did nothing to stop it. At least Biden warned Putin (which Trump flat out refused to do) that if he doesn't join the fight against these ransomware attacks, there will be consequences. And I have no doubt there will be.
"In my opinion, Biden did nothing at the G7 and fat chance of global infrastructure" " - Yes, that certainly is your opinion - but it is not grounded on any facts.
"this tool can't even get an infrastructure bill done here in
America. " - Ah, Trump-style insults, I see. In any case, that is almost demonstrably false. He has a deal. It remains to be seen if the RINOs will kill it.
The difference between Biden and Trump is that Biden can recite poems and Trump has difficulty with spelling the word Covfefe.
I am so glad you brought this subject into the light --- Because the media just does not report on the seriousness of Biden's failing cognitive abilities. or do cover his ineptness and his blatantly confusing statements. This man can't even read the cheat sheets that are provided him, meant to attempt to make him sound coherent.
Recite poems...
Really, here are a few of the sad confused moments Biden has had that media just does not cover. He shows a complete breakdown in being able to make a coherent statement. He just babbles on incoherently. He is a very confused man, and IMO he should not be let out to speak in public at this point.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aA4-Tdvej2c
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PpMAd7uXMSY"Because the media just does not report on the seriousness of Biden's failing cognitive abilities. " - THEY don't report it because there is nothing to report. Those are just BDS and right-wing talking points.
Why don't you admit your hero has serious mental problems as is evidence by his continuing to believe he won the election and will return to office next month. The man is simply delusional.
I found the way George W. spoke to be funny, but I never held it against him like you do Biden.Let me reorient you, my comment has nothing to do with Trump or Bush. It was all about pointing out my opinion that Biden is at times a very confused man. Making such a serious accusation made me realize I needed sources to back up my opinion. I provided two videos that show Biden clearly in a confused state. Youtube is a very good source both showed Biden in a live situation that was videoed. Quotes are fine, but videos are just better to prove a point. If you would like to see a few more I can certainly provide more evidence of Biden showing confusion while publicly speaking.
Videos are hard to dispute. The two I offered show him very confused. It's not funny when a president at times can't orient himself to the subject and just goes off saying non-sensical words that make no sense of any kind."It's not funny when a president at times can't orient himself to the subject and just goes off saying non-sensical words that make no sense of any kind." - AGAIN, you are talking about Trump.
I have listened to and watched Biden for decades now. And while I (and even he) admits he is prone to gaffes and has a speech impediment (which those on the Right have a great time making fun of), in no way have I ever heard or watched him do as you suggest. Trump, on the other hand, has many, many times.Trump never appeared in any respect confused. He was outspoken, transparent, but never confused. Plus this is not about Trump... So you don't believe the live videos where Biden does not seem to even know what he is talking about? Oh well, I find that pretty strange. More or less ignore the facts and they will go away... Sort of like old Joe.
Trump did not appear confused, but he was malevolent and mentally ill, infected with the delusions of grandeur found in every petty tyrant and you want to put HIM on a pedestal?
I think 45 had far greater deficits in character and temperament than Biden has ever demonstrated.Or ANY other president, for that matter, including Nixon. Now there is man who actually accomplished several great things as president before sliding into madness.
Check out my earlier forum entry as to how historian rate the last 44 presidents, you will find it interesting. But regardless of the level of scholarship of over 100 historians across the country, the Right would give more credibility to the historical opinions of truck drivers and those that sling hash.
in their world of anti-intellectualism they would claim that it was all biased.Anti-intellectualism - that reminds me of the Dark Ages when the Conservative Church took the same position.
Or ANY other president for that matter Credence, including Nixon.
I offer here the 12 traits of people who are most likely to be blind followers of tyrants. They were developed over decades of research into why otherwise intelligent Germans blindly followed Hitler:
- or otherwise intelligent Russians blindly follow Putin
- or otherwise intelligent Iranians blindly follow Khamenei
- or otherwise intelligent Venezuelans blindly follow Maduro
- or otherwise intelligent North Koreans blindly follow Un.
Fear: RWAs are afraid of many things. It can be said that many people are afraid of many different things, but RWAs carry this to the next level of irrational fear, even when there is no factual basis for it. They are afraid that Obama is a Socialist, a Communist, or will become a dictator; they are afraid of teaching secular science to our youth, they are deathly afraid the burgeoning national debt will spell the end of America; they are afraid that a single regulation on guns will lead to a total prohibition of gun ownership in America, and the list goes on. ]b\No amount of reasoning or facts[/b] will dissuade high scoring RWAs of their fears so long as their Authoritarian leaders tell them to be afraid.
Self-Righteous: If you run into someone who appears inordinately self-righteous, then you are probably observing a snob or a RWA follower. If that self-righteousness takes on a holy-than-thou or "more patriotic than thou" flavor, then most likely you have a high scoring RWA.
Dogmatism: This characteristic is a clear signal a person is likely to be a high scoring RWA, whether on the extreme Right or the extreme Left. What they are told to believe is set in stone and nothing short of a nuclear blast is going to move them from their core beliefs. All of the provable, clear, certain facts in the world will not change a high scoring RWA's mind. If, for example, Rush Limbaugh says 1 plus 1 now equals three because 1 plus 1 equals 2 is a left-wing liberal subversive plot to destroy America, the RWA will believe 1 plus 1 equals 3 and will do his or her best to twist and turn their logic and arguments to support this view.
Authoritarian Submission : This is the characteristic I just described in Milgram's experiment. If we are talking politics, however, instead of Teacher-Learner, what this means is that whatever people like Rush Limbaugh, Glen Beck, Sarah Palin, Senator Mitch McConnell, Speaker John Boehner, or Representative Bachmann from Minnesota have to say, it becomes gospel, it is simply the Truth to those who follow them. No further thought or reasoning by the listener is needed for the authority has spoken, if the listener is a high-scoring RWA. In religious terms, this might be the late Jerry Falwell, the late Jim Jones, the late Martin Luther, the Pope, any evangelical or fundamentalist preacher. RWAs will accept, without questioning its reasonableness, what is said, they will repeat it, and they will defend it.
Hostility: RWAs frequently become hostile when confronted. It is not because they are naturally mean, far from it. It has more to do with extreme frustration with their inability to logically defend their positions, which are often contradictory. Because they accept their position as gospel from their SD authoritarian leaders, they have not reasoned through why this position makes sense. So, when questioned about it, all they are left with are slogans and anger. There were many examples of this hostility at many of the Town Hall meetings held around the country leading up to the November 2010 elections.
"Biggest Problem" Syndrome: RWAs tend to focus on the Big Problem of the day, be it immigration, drugs, the liberal take-over of America, the national debt, drugs, or other such crisis conjured up by their Social Dominator leaders.
Compartmentalized Thinking: High scoring RWAs accept what they are told; lock, stock, and barrel, and file it away in their memory; this is a function of taking their lead from their Social Dominator Authoritarian leaders. Many of these positions end up being contradictory with each other or with reality, but, that is OK, because all of the ideas, since they are not processed mentally and only memorized, are not integrated in that persons thinking. Therefore, you have an individual who ends up believing they are living under an Obama/Democratic dictatorship with no rights at all while, at the same time, expressing their opinion about this by freely using their 1st Amendment rights.
Double Standards: This is included as an RWA characteristic but I am not sure why. It has been my observation that double standards in society is ubiquitous and not just isolated to one group or another.
Feeling Empowered Within Groups: Again true on the extremes, Left or Right. Because RWAs are followers of authority figures, if follows they must be conforming individuals. Because they don't think for themselves, as it relates to their chosen authority figure, they have to look toward others to let them know how they should be acting. Consequently, alone a RWA may even be timid, but with a demonstrating group, the RWA feels empowered to demonstrate vigorously alongside his fellow RWAs; high scoring RWAs feel most comfortable with groups where they get support and validation.
Prejudice: Most RWAs honestly do not believe they are prejudiced when, in truth, their actions and speech clearly show they are. Why? Because this type of personality does not believe all people in the world should be equal. Inequality is a natural state of affairs to a high scoring RWA. [/b]They sincerely believe that equality is not good for society.[/b] This simply makes sense to them and doesn't derive from meanness, e.g., the women being "bare-foot and pregnant" syndrome (meaning women should be subservient to the man). There is still a significant portion of American society, mainly fundamentalist Christians, both men and women, who still believe this, because the most authoritarian figure of all says so - God, Himself. They don't see a problem because they believe this is simply the "natural" order of the universe. much the same way that Aristotle believed, and argued for, the idea of "natural" masters and "natural" slaves. (Slavery, in his time didn't have quite the same connotation as it does in our time; for one thing, it wasn't race based.) This view becomes a basis for their politics.
Ethnocentrism: This is a characteristic in all people, but it becomes more pronounced as you move to either extreme, Left or Right. It is more prominent, however, with RWAs, again Left or Right. There has to be a "Them vs Us" paradigm in order to validate what they believe. They rarely go beyond their circle of believers to receive information while characterizing others as very biased, e.g., the left-wing or liberal mainstream media.
A Lack of Critical Thinking: This characteristic is central to the RWA type, for if a person exhibited critical thinking regarding what they were being told, regardless of source, then they would less likely be blind followers of Authority figures. One of the most stark exemplars of this is that most Tea Parteyers, who are middle class, absolutely believe their taxes have been raised under President Obama when, in fact, they have been noticeably reduced. The only reason for this unreasonable belief is their total, unthinking reliance on what they are told by their SD leaders. If the "Teachers" in Milgram's experiment had really thought about the implications of what they were doing, most would not have kept increasing the voltage when told to by the scientist. This is also where frustration can build when confronted about opposing positions such as asking an RWA how, in one breath, they can say "America is the best country in the world" but yet in the next breath say "Obama is now a dictator".
Just sayin'Interesting, Is RWA meaning Right-wing authoritarianism? On that line an interesting article is Right-wing Authoritarianism, Left-wing Authoritarianism, and pandemic-mitigation authoritarianism. As seen it explores them both as it relates to the current pandemic. The first sentence in the conclusion is "LWA holds considerable promise as an explanatory construct in political psychology".
You have said a mouthful
The Right does have affinity for authority figures, look at how many mainstream Republicans define their party as who is demonstrating the greatest loyalty to Trump? I confess, I have not seen this phenomenon in American politics before. The one man they pick to follow has nothing to promote him.
Instead of stepping aside, he is still stirring the pot. And if you asked me, either Al Gore or Hillary Clinton had a better basis to complain about the outcome of their respective races. Now, I look back on Nixon and his shenanigans during the worst period of the Watergate Era, yet when compared with Donald Trump, I consider those "the good old days".
Rightwingers are naturally fearful and insecure, and constitutes the "weak link" within any democratically based society.
Decorum and peace within our forums prevents me from speaking about the real causes of all the insecurity from the other side.
So, what is left wing authoritarian? I have yet to see the Left behave in the same way. We had our heyday during the 1960s but I have never seen the kinds of threats from them that the Right presents today.The Left does have its issues with RWA. I think the best example is one of the reasons Clinton lost was Bernie voters couldn't let go of their man. So they chose not to vote or to actually vote for Trump because they hated Clinton so much.
In my study, it broke out like this from those who took the test:
21% if those who self-identified as being the Right scored above 50%
5% of those who self-identified as Independent scored above 50% (but the sample is small)
3% of those who self-identified as Left scored above 50%
So yes, it does skew to the right, but they aren't alone.
In Composite terms (n=286), it came out this way:
Between 75 - 100% - 4%
Between 50 - 74% - 5%
Between 25 - 49% - 13%
Between 0 - 24% - 78%
I'll let you draw your own conclusions of how that reflects reality.
BTW, the 1st one looked very much like a teleprompter issue, and the second one, edited as it was, was pretty funny. But since it didn't show his whole speech, no conclusion can be drawn from it.
Not really funny... I offered two sources that clearly show just how confused Biden can be at times. perhaps this is not a serious problem for you. It is for me. Funny how you can get so concerned over maybe, and if comes, but not over a video that clearly shows the President is not able to make a cohearent sentence.
Which I suspect was doctored like many are. As I said, BDS.
No these same videos can be found on CSpan and other news outlets. Plus, in articles where he was quoted. Not doctored at all. Maybe you just have an aversion to believing Biden is confused and cognitively unsound. It's not really such a secret, some just choose not to address it as a problem. LOL
HERE IS another thing Biden has failed on ... And his party brought about with their flowery demand to defund the police! JUST ANOTHER HISTORIC RECORD UNDER OLD JOE...
"Bloody July Fourth weekend leaves 150 fatally shot in more than 400 shootings nationwide"
"A bloody Fourth of July weekend ended with at least 150 people killed in more than 400 shootings that occurred across the country, according to data compiled throughout the weekend.
In New York City, at least 26 people were shot from Friday through Sunday, with at least two of the incidents resulting in deaths.
In Chicago, 100 people were struck by gunfire resulting in 18 deaths since Friday night, according to Chicago police. In nearly all of the cases, no suspects were taken into custody as detectives continue to investigate the incidents. 69 of the more than 450 nationwide shootings occurred in Chicago alone." https://www.foxnews.com/us/july-fourth- … -violence.
So many problems to ignore, one would think old Joe would at least pick one and try to solve it... But Joe prefers to just say --- There is no problem to see here... This president and his administration is ruining the country.
" And his party brought about with their flowery demand to defund the police! " - THAT, of course, is a ridiculously false statement to make.. The only Democrats who believe such a thing are as far Left as the RINOs, like McCarthy who is pushing the Big Lie, which is much worse than the stupid "defund the police" slogan, is far-Right.
""Bloody July Fourth weekend leaves 150 fatally shot in more than 400 shootings nationwide"" - IT WAS actually worse than that. But don't look to Biden or Democrats for that. Instead, turn your attention to those who don't want background checks when someone acquires a gun. Or how about those who prevent the CDC from studying gun violence. Or how about those who prevent the ATF from tracking guns used in crimes. Why don't you focus on them instead?
Biden is solving the pandemic.
-Biden is repairing the broken relations with our allies to help fight against Trump's friend Putin and China and Iran - you know, unimportant national security things.
Biden is very close to securing a bipartisan infrastructure deal.(assuming the far-Left doesn't blow it up.)
Biden followed most economists advice and provided stimulus to a nation in recession.
And whole host of other things too numerous to mention.
BTW, how can Biden ruin a country that Trump has already ruined?
That is quite a bit in 100 days - a whole lot more than Trump ever did.
Finally, justice by a man with a real heart and empathy for those ripped off On the other hand, the previous administration sided with the crooks and kept these students in misery and fear..
https://www.cnn.com/2021/07/09/politics … index.htmlAnother case where Biden is borrowing a victory from a previous president. He is not capable of solving problems. But very good at taking credit for what others have done. He is stagnant, and not addressing America's problems... he is one scary guy.
"Seventy-two thousand student loan borrowers could breathe a sigh of relief Thursday after the Department of Education announced they will have the entirety of their debt forgiven.
The move only applies to borrowers whose claims have already been approved under something called borrower defense to repayment, a federal law that allows students to have their loans canceled if they attended a school that closed suddenly or was proven to take part in illegal or deceptive practices, such as ITT Technical Institute or Corinthian Colleges. The law was ENACTED by the OBAMA administration in 2016."
https://fortune.com/2021/03/18/student- … ity-loans/
SAVE YOUR CREDIT FOR WHERE IT"S DUE."The law was ENACTED by the OBAMA administration in 2016." - AND TRUMP KILLED IT! as he does everything he touches including our democracy
WOW! America thinks Biden is doing an outstanding job with beating the pandemic.
Given that 40% of Americans Hate Biden, because he is not Trump, it is very good when he can score above 60% on any poll as he does with the one on Coronavirus. And Biden has consistently averaged above 60% since mid-March.
Trump, on the other hand, did MUCH worse. At his best, in March 2020, he barely broke 50%, but it plummeted from there. He hit a low of 38% in July 2020. Most of the time was spent between 40 - 42%, [i]even when a vaccine from OWS was announced. WHY do Americans think he did such a crappy job while Trump supporters keep flouting non-existent accomplishments?
https://www.realclearpolitics.com/epoll … -7323.html
https://www.realclearpolitics.com/epoll … -7088.htmlBiden did nothing in regards to COVID. As he did nothing in regard to forgiving student loans --- As COVID was Trump's victory --- the student forgiveness of student loans was Obama's victory. Biden continues to do nothing but try to steal other former president's victories.
The country has real problems, the above two problems were solved by other presidents... Biden won't face problems, he is confused and inept.
"Seventy-two thousand student loan borrowers could breathe a sigh of relief Thursday after the Department of Education announced they will have the entirety of their debt forgiven.
The move only applies to borrowers whose claims have already been approved under something called borrower defense to repayment, a federal law that allows students to have their loans canceled if they attended a school that closed suddenly or was proven to take part in illegal or deceptive practices, such as ITT Technical Institute or Corinthian Colleges. The law was ENACTED by the OBAMA administration in 2016."
https://fortune.com/2021/03/18/student- … ity-loans/"As COVID was Trump's victory " - Trump made it so much worse than it needed to be. One day you will come to understand that. Also, given that the poll numbers exceed more than 60%, there are plenty of people on your side who give Biden the credit he deserves. Your BDS apparently stops you from doing so.
"the student forgiveness of student loans was Obama's victory." - Of course we are talking about those who were ripped off by for-profit colleges and not student loans in general. In any case, it WOULD have been Obama's thing IF Trump hadn't killed it. It took Biden to pick up the pieces and put it back together again.
I know conservatives just hate to see Americans happy, but it is true, since Biden was elected, more and more Americans report they are happy.
Gallup's Life Rating poll started in 2008. After Obama saved America from a Depression, the index varied between 51.2 and 54.4 in his first 4 years as America was recovering. After hitting a low of 50.3 because of the Republican gov't shut down, Obama's next four years stayed around 55.
This is where Trump started out and briefly hit 57.3 in Sep 2017. It then fell to around 54 for the next few years before plummeting to the mid-40s beginning in 2020.
The index jumped to 51.2 when Biden was inaugurated and then skyrocketed to a record high of 59.2!!. There is a reason for that - people are happy with the job Biden is doing
73% of people said they experienced enjoyment for a lot of the previous day.
https://www.cnn.com/2021/07/11/politics … index.html
https://news.gallup.com/poll/351932/ame … -high.aspxYep, the TRUTH wins out - again.
I just read that Tucker Carlson, that purveyor of conspiracy theories, is furious with Fox management because they are giving short-shrift to his NSA is spying on my myth. Even Fox can stomach only so much lying from their people.
Speaking of Polls - in a rare instance of truth telling, Trump said this at CPAC - "If it's bad, I say it's fake. If it's good, I say that's the most accurate poll ever."
If you want to talk about speeches--- Today old Joe compared the Republicans changing their voting laws to be worse than the civil war. This is strictly my opinion --- I find him becoming more and more confused each time he speaks. At this point, he needs to be removed. from office. I shutter when I see he is out talking in any capacity.
Why didn't you say that about Trump who is much, much, much worse?
"Today old Joe compared the Republicans changing their voting laws to be worse than the civil war." - I don't think that is your opinion at all. I think it is from something you saw which had been edited to lie about what Biden actually said.
What he said - truthfully - was that We're are facing the most significant test of our democracy since the Civil War. That's not hyperbole. Since the Civil War. The Confederates back then [b]never breached the Capitol as insurrectionists did on January the 6th.[/b] I hope you now understand how you were fooled into believing something that wasn't real.
I also don't understand why you would applaud things like:
We will be asking my Republican friends -- in Congress, in states, in cities, in counties -- to stand up, for God's sake, and help prevent this concerted effort to undermine our elections and the sacred right to vote.
OR
Vice President Harris and I will be making it clear that there's real peril in making raw power, rather than the idea of liberty, the centerpiece of the common life.
The Founders understood this. The women of Seneca Falls understood this. The brave, heroic foot soldiers of the Civil Rights Movement understood this. So must we.
OR
This isn't about Democrats and Republicans; it's literally about who we are as Americans. It's that basic. It's about the kind of country we want today, the kind of country we want for our children and grandchildren tomorrow. And quite frankly, the whole world is watching. Folks
When have you ever heard Trump being so presidential? I'll tell you - never.If you define presidential as purposely attempting to tear the country apart with false and inflammatory claims then, sure. Biden’s real presidential.
And Biden is using race to do it --- despicable.
I believe he’s what he calls a lying dog faced pony soldier
Yes, It would seem Joe just maybe a lying dog-faced pony soldier...
BDS BS! Neither of you have any credibility at all - you wasted it all in your devotion to a one-term, twice-impeached, disgraced president who led an insurrection against his own country and is a racist, misogynist, hate-monger, inept liar who is under investigation for multiple crimes.
Biden was accused of rape of a woman that worked in his office.
https://www.npr.org/2020/04/29/84784076 … allegation
https://www.businessinsider.com/joe-bid … ign-2019-6
Racist yeah that too... https://www.heritage.org/progressivism/ … st-remarks
misogynist --- No he is not a misogynist, he loves to touch women and smell their hair. Very strange habit...
Liar, He lies constantly just to hear himself lie.
This lie I find very sickening --- He lied about his wife's death for many years. https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/biden … nk-driver/
Feb. 17, 2020, Biden while campaigning at an event in Las Vegas, Nevada Joe Biden, claims he was “arrested” in South Africa visiting Nelson Mandela. Fact Checkers found this statement untrue.
Then there was Bidens crazy lie about the Amtrak conductor ---
https://nypost.com/2021/05/06/amtrak-jo … -question/
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/biden- … lion-miles
Joe Biden's Claim of Having Attended Historically Black College Refuted by School ( I think this lie was just due to being very confused)
https://www.lawenforcementtoday.com/joe … he-school/
https://thefederalist.com/2021/06/24/he … art-sixty/
Then there are all the investigations into his son Hunter.
I certainly was referring to Biden.Thanks for reminding me, I left one of Trump's list that you admire so much - he is a serial molester. What are we up to, 16 women accuse him of that? (Of course they are all liars and love to be embarrassed by talking about it.) Your SINGLE example of Biden's sexual misconduct has largely been debunked. https://www.politico.com/news/2020/05/1 … ces-260771
Biden racism - Your source is the hard Right Heritage Foundation. My source are millions of Blacks who voted for him and disagree with you and Heritage.
Arrest - Yes, I guess you caught Biden embellishing a story about getting arrested. It turns out he was detained. - But here is the difference between Trump's 10,000+ lies and this - Biden admitted he wasn't arrested. Trump is still lying about winning the 2020 election (or where his father was born, lol) - https://www.factcheck.org/2020/03/biden … th-africa/
Conductor - I guess you found one that will stick about an inconsequential thing. So find another 10,000 about consequential things if you want to compare with Trump. Until then, I will snicker at your failed attempts to paint a good man in a bad light. If you want some help, I can offer a few more statements by Biden that fall in my category of lying. But is he a serial liar like Trump? Not even close.
And what about the investigations in Ivanka, Trump Jr., Erick Trump, Trump himself, Trump's organization? All you can come up with is Hunter? Give me a break.
Historically Black College - you should really do your research before posting a lie from a hard Right source. Biden never said he attended one. https://www.reuters.com/article/uk-fact … SKBN26L2RD
LOL, even your own source contradicts you about his wife's death.
No definitive evidence exists to prove or rule out whether the other driver had been drinking, and belief that drinking had contributed to the crash was reportedly prevalent among the local community and not something Biden simply made up on his own.
Bottom Line - More BDS BS!You are welcome, but let me also remind you Trump is not president at this point. So it seems odd you ignore all the daily news in regards to all the problems that are happnenu\\ing tioday. We at this point have a very confused man in the White House that is most likely being "handled by who knows who?
It's actually hard to keep up with all the problems that Biden is causing hinself, not to mention handling the problems that are occurring due to his lack of leadership. One good thing his polls show is that citizens are responding, each day his poll numbers are falling today he fell another point to 48 approval. Source
My sources are solid in my last comment. Most of Joe's lies are very provable due to youtube. Nothing more factual than words right out of his mouth. It's clear he is slipping quickly into senility.
"Thursday, July 15, 2021
The Rasmussen Reports daily Presidential Tracking Poll, sponsored by The ANTIFA by Jack Posobiec, for Thursday shows that 48% of Likely U.S. Voters approve of President Biden’s job performance. Fifty percent (50%) disapprove.
The latest figures include 29% who Strongly Approve of the job Biden is doing and 41% who Strongly Disapprove.givehttps://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/political_updates/prez_track_july15s him a Presidential Approval Index rating of -12.
I see you are talking about Trump, not Biden.
Nope. My jaw constantly drops every time lying Joe opens his mouth. He seems hell bent on demonizing a large percentage of the population. His biggest lie to date? Claiming he is a unifier. The left has become so unhinged in their refusal to see any side of an issue but their own has caused the entirety of the left to think their lack of reason is some type of a virtue.
His statement in regard to states changing their voting laws --- "The assault on free and fair elections is just such a threat, literally. I’ve said it before: We’re are facing the most significant test of our democracy since the Civil War. That’s not hyperbole. Since the Civil War. The Confederates back then never breached the Capitol as insurrectionists did on January the 6th.
I’m not saying this to alarm you; I’m saying this because you should be alarmed. "
He was seeking to divide not only in regard to a political party but race. he race-baits frequintly.
Source for quote White House Transcript --- https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefing-roo … t-to-vote/
As a citizen, I find this form of hyperbolic statement dangerous, and unnecessary. These forms of statements do not unify they only make the divide deeper and inside anger. I would like to see Biden removed from office due to his failing cognitive state, and very apparent inability to handle his job.
"Today old Joe compared the Republicans changing their voting laws to be worse than the civil war." - I don't think that is your opinion at all. I think it is from something you saw which had been edited to lie about what Biden actually said. "
This is so ridiculous it is hard to even respond. The fact is Biden has been in Washington for over 55 years. He has not found it necessary to go after voting laws in all those years. The voting laws in Delaware, and New York, and more do not come close to comparing with the voter opportunity of the New laws in Georgia. Delaware has never used dropboxes prior to COVID One must use a valid ID. And they do not mail out mail-in ballots unless one applies for absentee voting. And one must have a valid reason to do so and prove how they are with the appropriate ID. So, I suggest you take your complaints about these discriminatory laws to the Department Of Justice. Perhaps Garland could bring a whopping lawsuit against most of the Blue states actually for making it hard to vote for all.
MAIL-IN VOTING OTHER THAN ABSETTE IS NOT ALLOWED. Delaware does send out unsolicited mail-in ballots as the Dems hope to push. https://www.vote411.org/delaware
Source for Delawares rules and laws on voting --- https://elections.delaware.gov/information/law.shtmlWhy the change in voting laws? It's not because of fraud. It's because a pathological liar claimed he could only lose by fraud and his supporters are more than willing to live in whatever reality he describes to them.
He also made this claim in 2016, saying the only reason he lost the popular vote was because of fraud. He even formed a commission with Kris Kobach, a notorious voter suppressionist, at the helm. The result was that they discovered very few instances of fraud at all, proving that Trump had been lying about any fraud having taken place in the 2016 election. Did any of his supporters learn the lesson that he had lied to them, or that he had lied about fraud? Of course not.
The real reason for the changes are that the people who lost couldn't understand that 80 million people had zero faith in their candidate to manage the United States in a crisis. That some 400,000 American deaths can be linked to his mismanagement, according to studies comparing the US's response to similar 1st world countries. That people found it unacceptable when it was confirmed that his campaign manager did in fact collude with members of Russian Intelligence in 2016 to swing the election and that Trump had been lying about there not being collusion the entire time. And that Mueller had laid out 10 instances where Trump Obstructed Justice during that investigation into something he had been lying about.
It's also about the fact that providing access to people hurts the party with the fewest registered voters of the three major groups (independents-44%, Democrats-30%, Republicans-24%). And that trying to restrict access in large cities, where democratic strongholds exist, is a necessity for GOP success.
And states that make laws allowing the vote to be set aside and have their legislatures determine the result instead, as Arizona proposed, is no longer a democracy.
We've heard the term 'irregularities' bandied about. Well, yeah, this election was going to be irregular. It's one of the few to be conducted during a global pandemic when millions were out of work and had more flexibility to exercise their constitutional rights. Irregular is a given.
Expanded voting opportunity in order to keep people safe resulted in record turnout of people exercising their rights. That so many people got involved, and involved with few cases of fraud, is something to celebrate. Unless you are the minority party and are fielding the candidate who never broke 50% approval during his term - a first among US Presidents.
But instead of learning the lesson that governing for all Americans and not just those in your base will be a recipe for disaster, the GOP is changing laws that will affect the ability of some Americans to exercise their constitutional rights - based on the 'big lie' that there was actually fraud in 2020.
If you think laws should be changed based on lies, then that's a huge issue.
And let's start the poll. How many days until my next ban?yeah ... So after all that bla bla bla --- Should Garland bring a lawsuit against Delaware for their very discriminatory voter laws? You know the subject I was discussing. Yes or no will do --- lol
Why should he, since Delaware's very Democratic legislature is looking to pass laws to make it easier for people to vote without being pressed?
Let's simplify all that blah, blah blah. Do you realize Trump lied to you about fraud back in 2016?Yes they do, but it is too embarrassing to admit it. So they deflect and throw out lots of insults.
Why should he??? Delaware is passing laws to make it easier to vote while Georgia is making it harder, like they have done so many times in the past 150 years.
I have found no evidence that any blue state has made claimed that they will be changing their voting laws. Offer a source to your claim. And Georgia has added drop boxes to the new bill. Delaware did not prior to COVID use drop boxes, and at this point have not added any amendment to keep drop boxes. for further elections.
I am leaving the voter BS conversation. So, much going on that has caught my attention. This voter suppression thing was a smokescreen to divert some from some really horrific problems. Sorry moving on. plus we have beaten his conversation to death. We disagree with Georgia's new laws. One last thought --- Garland will lose in the SC Georgias laws are very respectful to all citizens. In fact, Michigan looks to be adopting most of those laws."I have found no evidence that any blue state has made claimed that they will be changing their voting laws. " - which means you igoned what I gave you in the other forum. I will repeat it here with the note that Delaware has now passed a few of the laws in the article.
https://www.delawareonline.com/story/ne … 818801001/
Virginia is another Blue state making it easier to vote - https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions … ng-easier/
Connecticut is doing the same - https://www.stamfordadvocate.com/opinio … 092993.php
So is New York - https://www.governor.ny.gov/news/govern … oting-laws
Are you getting the picture or do I need to provide more evidence?
The point is Blue states are making it easier to vote while Red states are making it harder - FOR NO REASON.
I think the Michigan governor has promised to veto those restrictive voting laws.
Respectful, lol - how is making using ballot boxes mute and useless being "respectful"You're right - blue states are making it easier, but it is for a very good reason. It is to ensure that people ineligible to vote can do so, and as the large majority vote Democrat it is to the benefit of the Democrat party to encourage illegal voting in that manner.
Now. Pay attention, for the exact same reasoning is being used on red states that take pains to ensure only legal votes are counted. The assumption (assumption, not fact) is that they will pick up more votes relative to democrat votes, but there is nothing to support that assumption. No one has checked, for instance, that black people (most of whom vote blue) won't vote without food and water delivered to them...but the assumption is that they won't. Identical reasoning."It is to ensure that people ineligible to vote can do so, " - It is amazing how you can lie with such a straight face. The whole comment is fraught with disinformation and paranoia.
I thought the same thing. I'm surprised you entertained such delusion with a response.
At the same time it is amazing how you can misinterpret posts. This one is very clearly labeled as using the exact same faulty reasoning process to produce a false conclusion as the one used to produce the idea that Republicans only want to disenfranchise voters. And yet you somehow ignore that and assume it is meant as factual.
Faulty? Where on Earth would we ever get our conclusion from, one you claim to be false...hmmm...let's see...
“They had things, levels of voting that if you’d ever agreed to it, you’d never have a Republican elected in this country again.”
Donald J. Trump in referring to Democratic voting proposals.
March 2020
But the good news seems to be that Trump is doing just as much damage in discouraging his own voters from showing up to the voting booth.
https://www.ajc.com/politics/turnout-di … 7ZXXOROIA/
And Mitch McConnell disagrees with making election day a federal holiday since it would be a Democratic 'power grab.' He's clearly afraid that most federal employees tend to vote for Democrats.
https://www.vox.com/2019/1/30/18203936/ … al-holiday"Your" conclusion, if you fit within the Democrat claims, appears to be that if a reasonable level of voting security is implemented it is because Republicans wish to disenfranchise Democrat votes. It means that if even minimal effort is required to vote that Republicans are keeping Democrats from voting. Am I wrong here, given that "your" level of security is far under that that the Republicans find prudent?
This is the faulty reasoning I discussed: when the opposition does not agree with you, it means they are trying to do vile things in an intentional effort to hurt others (such as disenfranchise their vote).Not my conclusion, the conclusion that both Trump and McConnell have publicly stated as the reasons for being against expanded voter access. Not fraud mind you, as Trump's commission could not find any in 2017 after he claimed that as a reason for losing the popular vote.
With current levels of security and penalties for breaking election law, the amount of fraud is already minimal. Just because Republicans have a faulty perception that more security is needed, does not make it so, based on the data about current fraud.
What that data does say is that these laws will limit voter turnout for a variety of reasons. So if the only achievement is to limit the exercising of the rights of Americans, then resisting those changes is definitely not faulty.But you cannot "expand voter access", not when every single (legal) voter in the country already has access. Your demand is, instead, that it require no effort and that indeed people need paid to vote via paid time off, free food and water, etc. And if Republicans drag their feet the conclusion is that they are disenfranchising people from voting.
That is the point I'm making, for such a conclusion is far out of line with reality. There is a disagreement between D's and R's on what is reasonable for security, and both exclaim that the other side has evil on their mind in pursuing their goals for reasonable security. And that is faulty reasoning.We will disagree that every single (legal) voter has access. Some have restrictions based on jobs or transportation that things like 24-hour voting and more access to secure drop boxes (how many drop boxes were used for fraud in the last election by the way that required them to be limited going forward?) allows them to overcome those challenges. Again, your statement ignores the listed reasons why many Americans are not able to cast their vote in each election.
Time off may be seen as payment to you only because it was resisted by your party. I would see it as opportunity. No one is telling any of those voters who to vote for, just that they will have greater access to be able to cast your vote.
What kind of security does preventing a federal voting holiday increase by the way? I'd like to hear the case for how that increased voter security and why it needs opposition?
And yes, there is disagreement about the level of election security because one party cannot accept statistics on the amount of fraud or when every government agency tells them this was a secure election. Instead, they take the word of the guy who lied to them in 2016 about fraud being why he lost the popular vote, formed a commission with Kris Kobach, and then was proven to be lying when Kobach discovered very little fraud at all. Realizing you have been lied to on a subject, then choosing to believe the very same lie four years later seems rather moronic to many Americans who still support the processes by which we elect leaders.Am I mistaken in thinking that every state has a mail in ballot program? That's access, even to your hypothetical person that has no transportation, cannot walk, or has a 24-7 job.
Of course paid time off is an opportunity! Any time you can be paid for sitting at home it is an opportunity. But being paid to vote does not increase access; it just brings in money. Whether the person votes or not (will I, as a retired person, also be paid to vote or will I just have to pay others?) they will be paid for staying home.
While it is a liberal dream to simply pay everyone for being alive, the country cannot afford their grandiose plans, which is why it is opposed. A waste of money that accomplishes nothing. Personally, I'd like to see how paying someone to vote will increase their access.". . . dream to simply pay everyone for being alive"
And that is where we are now as a society—money fixes everything. It's a cop-out and everyone knows it.
GAHowever, does money not buy votes and a type of almost blind loyalty?
I think Yang would disagree with you, that is why is for a minimum wage that takes care of everybody's basic needs to health, food, and housing. (I am still undecided on this although it seems to working in some countries.).
Finland apperantly ran to two-year study of Universal Basic Income and came to this conclusion: The world’s most robust study of universal basic income has concluded that it boosts recipients’ mental and financial well-being, as well as modestly improving employment.
https://www.newscientist.com/article/22 … z70pBBSdL9
Having a program, and not seeing the challenges that a group such Native Americans will have in access to that program shows your own naivete.
Your paid to vote claim is ridiculous. Are you paid to celebrate Christmas or are you just given the time off? Paid to celebrate July 4th or can you just enjoy the day doing nothing? What it gives people is the opportunity to vote because it gives time, not money. I guess when you are retired and have so much free time, you might have forgotten how travel to work, time spent at work and travel time home can take up ten hours of a day.
Your perception of a liberal dream is comical as most liberal plans have a means of funding based in reality. Unlike tax cuts done with the promise that some mythical growth would pay for them in the future, which of course did not happen, and led to a $7.8 trillion increase in the national debt during the past four years. Bush's tax cuts combined with a war - yeah, the conservative dreams definitely don't know anything about budgeting.
And I noticed you dodged my question about how much fraud was done using drop boxes. If there was no fraud, why limit the numbers? Saying there could be fraud would be like saying if someone owned a gun, they could commit murder, so we need to take away their guns. Does that really seem like an argument the GOP wants to start making?"Your perception of a liberal dream is comical as most liberal plans have a means of funding based in reality. "
LOL The mantra is, forever, "We'll tax the rich to fund it!", followed by taxing the middle class. You know this as well as I do - who do you think is going to pay for that time off, if not the "rich" (companies and corporations, who will then raise prices and "tax" their customers)? With 150,000,000 employees in the country, and working 8 hour days at $15 (guesses and estimates), that's a neat 2B per year cost increase to the country...to make it easier to vote for the 10 people in the country with no postal service.
Why put security cameras and guards in banks that have never been robbed? Why have TSA as 911 has never repeated? This is the typical thinking of Democrats and why I disagree with the "no security" needed concept.
But I will take notice that the gun argument is exactly what D's propose with their gun controls.The mantra is we'll tax the rich and corporations at levels that they used to be taxed at when the country was prosperous. The rate only dropped to these levels since Reagan.
I do enjoy when you assume what I believe, only to be ridiculously incorrect.
You say that is a cost increase. Those people were already working that day so they were being paid. Hence, with federal employees, there is no change in cost.
Again, I will ask. How many issues have there been with drop boxes that has led to fraud? Banks have been robbed, 9/11 happened. Certainly then you have the data to support added limitations to drop boxes based on fraud.
D's are taking the same argument to guns as R's are taking to those deadly drop boxes. Difference is that D's have stats about how many gun deaths exist. R's have no proof or data to back up their argument about drop box fraud. Just the lies of a guy who lost."The mantra is, forever, "We'll tax the rich to fund it!"" - WRONG again. The mantra is "Let the rich pay their fair share".and many very wealthy people agree with that sentiment.
He will never answer you on that because he knows the truth will destroy his position - so he keeps deflecting.
Seven states are effectively "all-mail-in voting" states: Colorado, Hawaii, Nevada, Oregon, Utah, Vermont, and Washington. The rest have restrictions to one degree or another.
"But being paid to vote does not increase access; " - OF course it does, to some degree. Also the way your phrase it "paid to vote" is disingenuous. That means there is some sort of contract that if you don't vote, you are breaking it and would be subject to punishment.
You are deflecting again. The issue isn't giving voters more access, it is that RINOs are taking away access.
That said, some states do need to make it easier to vote - and they are doing that in New York, Delaware, and Virginia to name a few. Others don't need to do anything, as you suggest, such as California.
"There is a disagreement between D's and R's on what is reasonable for security, " - NO there isn't. There is disagreement with brainwashed Trump supporters and everybody else. There is no disagreement between rational Republicans and Democrats. The faulty reasoning is thinking there is serious disagreement between clear-eyed Republicans and Democrats.
Your logic error with "appears to be that if a reasonable level of voting security is implemented " is that you assume voting security was not already reasonable. The FACT is everybody that is not a brainwashed Trump supporter said the elections were plenty secure and didn't need any improvement.
Since it is a fact that no improvement was needed, putting more restrictive laws in place in ONLY Republican states can have ONLY ONE purpose - to stop a repeat of all those Democrats going to the polls.
Actually, while that may be the impression, that Feds vote Democratic, it is not really true. Several studies have shown that the federal workforce (save for law enforcement) is pretty will split down the middle. Law enforcement, on the other hand, has a decidedly rightward tilt. (That said, I bet there are a few hundred Capital police who have switched parties.) I worked in the Dept of Defense for 20 some years and most of the people I knew leaned Republican. I did myself back in the 1980s.
This will give you some idea of the demographics. https://www.govexec.com/oversight/2015/ … nk/119138/
Factually many of the blue states have far more complicated rules than the red state's new proposed laws. This is simply another media bit of feed to keep "them" over there instead of over here --- seeing all the BS that is going on in the country. sorry, this is the most ridiculous bit of crap that the Dems have fed up in a while. It's unbelievable how twisted a mind can get.
And now that those blue states have seen how the covid precautions led to a significant increase in voter participation, they are putting forth laws to continue that access while the GOP is trying to stop the passage of those bills.
So, in essence, they are trying to prevent the additional voters that were able to access the polls from being able to vote in future elections. That is one party trying to stymie the Constitutional rights of Americans.
I will ask again, how much fraud occurred in drop boxes? Drive through voting? 24-hour voting? Making laws to restrict those things with zero proof that fraud took place is suppression, pure and simple.
You already were provided a link to Delaware. Here is New York's:
https://gothamist.com/news/new-york-poi … press-themNice to see New York following in the footsteps. of Georgia and Texas.
I have no idea how much fraud may have occurred by the states using drop boxes. I see Georgia and Texas did not use dropboxes prior to COVID, and now have added them to their new laws. Many states most likely will add the use of dropboxes to their voting laws.
I have not found anything on Delaware proposing new voting laws as of yet. They have very strict rules as is.
I don't agree that any of the states have overly punitive voting laws.
I feel this is all a political ploy to keep liberals busy from realizing all the current problems the Democratic administration is having. Liberals are very easily taken off the scent of a true problem, with a lesser problem that is actually a non-problem
Sorry, I see no problem whatsoever with our voting laws in this country."Nice to see New York following in the footsteps. of Georgia and Texas." - WRONG again. New York is travelling in the opposite direction. New York is making it easier to vote while Georgia and Texas are making it harder to vote
Delaware - I provided you the links. Let me do it again. https://www.delawareonline.com/story/ne … 818801001/
Some of those laws have been passed since that article was written.
"I don't agree that any of the states have overly punitive voting laws." - INTERESTING - so you don't think Texas limiting Harris County, which is larger than one or two states, to ONE BALLOT BOX is not punitive. Try justifying that.
Or sticking with ballot boxes - Georgia has 1) reduced their number, especially in Democratic areas, and made their hours of operation and locations such that they are basically useless. Justify that if you can.
IF you "see not problem with this country's voting laws" why do you defend states making voting more restricted? Doesn't make sense.Here is what I said --- Sorry, I see no problem whatsoever with our voting laws in this country. I will add, voting laws we have been using prior to 2020, and any laws that have been changed after.
"... and any laws that have been changed after." - Which, in the Red states, demonstrably make it harder to vote. Are you saying you "see no problem whatsoever" with that? Interesting.
And now that those blue states have seen how the covid precautions led to a significant increase in voter participation, they are putting forth laws to continue that access while the GOP is trying to stop the passage of those bills.
AND THAT is the central question. Why are Republicans trying to make it harder to vote?
"Factually many of the blue states have far more complicated rules than the red state's new proposed laws." - that may be true, but it is deflecting.
The question is what is the motivation for ONLY Republican states to limit voting access in 2022? It can't be fraud or election security because all clear-eyed people including lots of Republicans, agree the 2020 election had the least fraud ever.
So, it it isn't fraud, what else would drive Republicans to try to reducing the number of people voting?
All the media is doing is reporting what is happening, which is their job.
All one as to do is be observant. Everybody but brainwashed Trump supporters said the election was basically fraud-free - the best election ever many say.
So, logic dictates that no new laws were needed except those that expanded access to voting where it was restricted before. Wouldn't you agree?
So, if there was no need for laws that restricted voting yet that is exactly what Republican (and only Republican) states did - passed dozens of needless laws that make voting harder.
Since given 1) they wouldn't purposefully make it harder for Republican voters and 2) there was no fraud-based reason to suppress the vote, the ONLY option left is they are trying to make it harder for Democrats to vote.
Where is that logic faulty?
Everything you said above is VERY TRUE and UNDENIABLE.
""Today old Joe compared the Republicans changing their voting laws to be worse than the civil war." -" - I Simply cannot understand why a person would continue to repeat lies like that if they are not brainwashed. It just doesn't make sense.
"MAIL-IN VOTING OTHER THAN ABSETTE IS NOT ALLOWED." - Actually, that is a lie as well. Delawarians can vote by mail based on a new law passed in July 1, 2020. That is why the RINOs in Delaware brought a suit to STOP mail-in balloting? Very anti-democratic of them don't you think?
" Delaware has never used dropboxes prior to COVID" - But yet they did (like GA) for 2020. But unlike GA, they aren't putting restrictions on their use keeping it easy to vote in 2022. GA, on the other hand, is restricting the use of drop boxes making it much harder to vote.
How much drop box fraud was there, by the way? What statistics necessitate making the changes? Anyone...Buehler...Buehler.
No fraud is needed. It made it easier for people to vote which RINOs see has a losing proposition. Consequently, they limit there use.
"MAIL-IN VOTING OTHER THAN ABSETTE IS NOT ALLOWED." - WHY AREN"T you talking about all of the laws Delaware is passing to make it easier to vote in that state? RINOs are trying very hard to stop this from happening, but Democrats don't need their votes to pass these great laws. Why aren't you taking the RINO's to task for trying to stop making it easier to vote.
BTW - Unlike Georgia and all of the other southern states, Delaware doesn't have the very long history of deny Blacks the right to vote.
I think I will start posting this each time you make fun of Biden's speech issues.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uNXgjnBpxGIBiden is very obedient to what he is supposed to say. This is why he
forgets and stumbles through the required topics in confusion and forgetfulness.
In contrast, when ideas / topics come from one's own understanding, the speaking ability is confident and clear.
Could it be that the Democratic Party valued his willingness to parrot according to their agenda?
I don't think he started out this way in his early political life ...
Well, I sure hope not.
Plus, there's this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Slrs29r5KW8You need to listen to unedited sound bites by Biden haters.
I have listened to and watched Biden speak for decades. None of those remind me of this -
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uNXgjnBpxGI
and other similar insults that come out of your hero's mouth.
This is how stupid and out of touch with reality that Conservatives are - they actually cheered the fact that Biden didn't reach his 70% vaccination goal.
Can somebody tell why Trump supporting conservatives are choosing to get very sick and maybe dying rather than get vaccinated? It makes no sense - of course supporting Trump makes no sense either.Probably for the same reason liberals are making the same choice. (I'm going out on a limb here and assuming you have not interviewed millions of anti-vaxxers, determining both their political position AND why they don't want the vaccine).
But my guess is that both the liberals and conservatives making that foolish choice are no longer confident that the government is not lying to them about both the safety and the efficacy of the vaccine. Couple that with the lies about the death toll from the vaccine (there is a post in these forums that claims 6X as many people die from the vaccine as from COVID) and the inability to understand basic statistics and you could have the answer.Yes, apparently the anti-vaccine attitude is not along party lines. (So I heard on a podcast that was about the funding of anti-climate-change conspiracies and pro-smoking lobby).
"Probably for the same reason liberals are making the same choice. " - AND WHY would pro-science, pro-vaccine liberals be making that choice? Your statement is nonsensical.
Why would I have to interview millions of anti-vaxxers (I wonder if there are that many). Seems like those would be conservatives since they both share a distrust for science and intellect. All I need to do is look at a map that overlays where Trump supporters live and where people aren't getting vaccinated to know that it is primarily Trump supporters who aren't getting vaccinated and endangering the rest of us.
Your "post" is one of those MISINFORMATION pieces conservatives put out to scare people from getting vaccinated.
The bottom line is most liberals are vaccinated and most conservatives are not - you can't run from the facts.
Let's see, right now, on average, 233 people are dying a day and growing in Red States from Covid, maybe one or two them were vaccinated, the rest are not. Let me be generous and say 70% of those are Trump supporters (it is probably higher). That means Trump and the RINOs have 162 less people a day to vote for them. Extend that to the next election, about 485 days from today. That means the pool of Trump/RINO voters will decrease by roughly 78,000 voters.
Now, tack on to that the number of Trump voters who got deathly ill because they believed in his lies and are now understanding they were lied to and will not vote for Trump or RINOs. Today's average of new cases is around 20,000 per day and growing in the red states. Again, I will be generous and say only 20% of those catching the more deadly Delta-variant end up in the hospital (I suspect it is higher). And of those, let's say half of those finally had enough of the lies and join the land of the rational. Doing the math, that comes out to 2,000 people per day who won't vote for Trump or the RINOs. Taking the same 485 days, that means potentially another 970,000 might not vote for Trump or the RINOs.
So, I think I understand this correctly ... Biden had a meeting yesterday at the Whitehouse to talk about crime with various representatives from mostly Blue states --- you know the ones that the Dems were just last summer screaming to defund the police. And yes many blue states did just that, Now, they are having historic crimes in their cities due to defunding the police. Well, Biden came up with a solution to their problems. ---= He suggests they use the funds they receive for COVID relief to hire new police officers. So, what this means --- the Federal funds which came from us, the taxpayers, will now be used to pay for these fools big defund the police fiasco. Yeah. It would well appear Biden's main problem-solving tool, toss cash at it, To be more precise, taxpayer's cash.
https://nypost.com/2021/06/23/biden-say … ring-cops/"ou know the ones that the Dems were just last summer screaming to defund the police." - How do you say that with a straight face when you know it is not true. Only a handful of stupid Democrats say that
So, what is your solution that doesn't involve cash?My solution would have been to not defund the police, which resulted in police leaving their jobs in droves, and open historic crime. I find that a curious problem Dem's seem to have --- they create problems due to just not thinking about the end game. Like Biden did when he got rid of Trump's immigration solutions on his first day on the job. he sat at that big desk with his little blue blaze, and shiny shoes, and ultimately set the ball rolling for the historic border problems we are seeing today.
I just don't care to pay for Biden or the Dem's mistakes or all their investigations that are just stages for political ploys.
As part of the Biden - Democratic coronavirus relief package signed in March is a one-year expanded child tax credit designed to reduce child poverty by half., something Republicans strenuously opposed.
It is in the form of monthly checks through December and the balance can be received when the 2021 taxes are filed, even if no income was earned. It impacts middle to no income adults with children's under the age of 18. They will receive $300 per child younger than 6 and $250 for those between 6 and 17.
Those checks started arriving yesterday to the relief, and often surprise, to millions of middle and low income American parents.
Another great Biden-Democratic win for America!The stock market seems to like Biden as well with the economy able to open up with the delivery of those vaccines, as it is up 14% this year. It was funny to see the same Trump supporters touting those achievements four years ago, but now bemoaning how Biden is just helping the 'rich get richer.' Unreal the things they can find for their partisan hate.
It is called Biden Derangement Syndrome (BDS). With Trump, clear-eyed people had every reason to point out his continuous bad behavior (leading to Gen Milley worrying about Trump staging a coup). With Biden, clear-eyed people know he is doing a great job (on most things - I really disagree with his decision to pull out of Afghanistan. I don't care if we have been there for 20 years, we need to stay another 20 if it means keeping that country out of the hands of the Taliban and al Queda.)
I forget in which forum the subject of Universal Basic Income came up, but I ran across this article where California, in a 100% bipartisan vote, put their toe in the water of this concept.
Currently, it is limited to pregnant mothers (is that redundant?) and kids coming out of foster care.
https://www.latimes.com/california/stor … ncome-planWhat are the Things President Joe Biden Has Done While President ---
The elite on wall street to include investment banks have smashed earning expectations today. While American worker struggles with rising consumer good prices due to President Joe Biden’s inflation.
Current states
JPMorgan Chase --- “second-quarter earnings of $11.9 billion, or $3.78 per share, which exceeded the $3.21 estimate of analysts surveyed by Refinitiv,” CNBC reported.
Goldman Sachs --- "reported second-quarter earnings of $15.02 per share, topping analysts’ expectation of $10.24 earnings per share,” CNBC continued, “The bank posted its second-best ever quarterly investment banking revenue as a rush of IPOs hit Wall Street last quarter.”
The investment banks shattering expectations comes as the American worker is experiencing inflation at a 13 year high.
The Labor Department on Tuesday released its Consumer Price Index for June, showing that prices rose 0.9 percent in the past month. The price hike in June marked the largest 1-month increase since June 2008.
Source --- https://www.bls.gov/news.release/cpi.nr0.htm
Inflation has outrun expectations for three months in a row. The June monthly figure is the highest since June 2008, when prices increased 1 percent in a single month.
Inflation pressures remain more acute than appreciated and certainly appear that they are going to be with us for a longer period than has been previously reported.
Are we returning to the 1970s? Inflation has reached a three-decade high. The past two years with the need for several emergency’ spending packages, bond buy-backs, and printing lots of money it seems to mirror the same mistakes Government made in the Carter era.
Since President Joe Biden has taken office, prices for consumer goods and energy have dramatically risen.
In my view, our history shows when you tax the rich, they just pass these losses on to the consumer.
Didn't Biden promise to tax the rich, and bring back our economy? It seems we are headed down a path that the rich get rich, and the poor --- "well you know the thing!"Joe Biden's inflation? When you print 30% of all US currency in existence in one calendar year, and that year would be 2020 when the Fed needed to prop up the economy due to a horrific response to a global pandemic, that will be one cause of inflation.
When a pandemic limits the creation of new product, then there is a large demand for existing product, such as used cars since no new cars were being built (where as used cars are about 40% of the current inflation figures), there will be rises in prices. Was it Biden in control when the country had to shut down and stop making goods and services?
Here is a very good article from December of 2020 about the topic.
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles … ge-of-2021
And your claim that the rich are only getting richer now that Biden is president is a joke, right? For the last four years, we've listened to you crow on about how good Trump was for the Stock Market and how you've done so well. Well, for the first half of 2021, the Stock Market has done better with Biden in charge. But now that Biden is in charge, suddenly, a strong economy is something to complain about. And expectations will be crushed when you can build confidence back into the economy by doing your job and getting people vaccinated."The past two years with the need for several emergency’ spending packages, bond buy-backs, and printing lots of money it seems to mirror the same mistakes Government made in the Carter era." - YOU DO realize who was president for the last two years, don't you? Here is a clue - it wasn't BIden.
Didn't Republicans promise to stop Biden from doing anything. Since the minority controls the Senate, who is to blame here? It certainly isn't Biden.
We have been going down that path you mention EVER SINCE Trump because president.
"In my view, our history shows when you tax the rich, they just pass these losses on to the consumer." - FIRST, no, history does not show what you are trying to imply and SECOND, the first phrase has nothing to do with the second phrase of your sentence.Another thing Biden can take credit for ...
EXCLUSIVE: The number of detainees who tested positive for COVID-19 in the Rio Grande Valley (RGV) Sector alone has increased by 900%, according to information obtained by Fox News. https://www.foxnews.com/politics/covid- … er-numbers
There were 135 detainees who tested positive in the first two weeks of July alone, marking a 900% increase in confirmed positive cases compared to the previous 14 months.
Biden is totally ignoring the border crisis - More than one million illegal immigrants have been apprehended crossing the border since Bidens took office Yet he sees no problem with COVID infections rising 900% compared to the previous 14 months.
Why in the hell are we as a people, not demanding answers? We have been fighting this virus for over a year and a half and this dead-headed man is letting infected people pour across our border and flying them all over the US.
One can also imagine how many more immigrants are pouring in not being detected. Get ready to mask up people... Joe is not in any respect curbing the spread of DELTA. In fact, he is helping to ensure the spread.
This president is incapable of doing his job.There you go again misrepresenting numbers to give a very false picture of reality.
Just using your numbers (as I did where you said I didn't provide a link) we get this picture of reality. You claimed there were 135 detainees who tested positive in the first two weeks of July. Then you try to impress us with the fact that represents a 900% increase over the total from the last 14 months. Working backwards, that means there was a grand total of - wait for it - a whopping 15 detainee covid cases over the last 14 months!! Finally, subtracting, that means there were 120 positive Covid cases in the last two weeks.
Now let's take your million apprehension in the last 5 months. That averages 200,000 a month or 100,000 every 2 weeks. OK, those are your numbers.
Let's add a few of mine. Number of unvaccinated Americans - 77,000,000 (Kaiser Foundation estimate of 37%). Current number of positive cases every two weeks - 504,000 (current 36,000 daily rate from Worldometers times 14 days).
We now have what we need for a non-hyperbolic comparison.
Rate of positive cases from your data: 120 per 100,000
Rate of positive cases currently in America: 654 per 100,000 unvaccinated Americans (every two weeks).
SO, what is the problem you are trying to create with your hyperbole. Seems like it is much safer to be among the detainees to me?
Also, do you REALLY BELIEVE, there have been only 15 positive cases in the last 14 months (remember, these are your numbers). I suppose those who believe in the Big Lie would believe a Fox News report, but I am surprised you do. When will you learn Fox News hosts LIE.
And to deflate your bubble a bit more - Biden has maintained Trump's policy of turning away people testing positive.
THE REAL CULPRIT in spreading the Delta-variants are unvaccinated Americans, largely you conservatives, and NOT Biden.https://www.reuters.com/world/americas/ … 021-06-25/
"WASHINGTON, June 25 (Reuters) - U.S. authorities have made more than 1 million arrests of migrants at the U.S.-Mexico border so far in fiscal year 2021, according to preliminary figures shared with Reuters, a tally that underscores the immigration challenges facing President
Joe Biden."
VERY SAD STATS Your quopte
"Let's add a few of mine. Number of unvaccinated Americans - 77,000,000 (Kaiser Foundation estimate of 37%). Current number of positive cases every two weeks - 504,000 (current 36,000 daily rate from Worldometers times 14 days)."
I am proud that you posted this sad failure of Biden. he just can't get people to step up and get vaccinated. Only 49% of American's are vaccinated. Makes us very distressed to think of how many would have been vaccinated if Trump was still president. Hey, he provided Biden the vaccines, but Joe --- well not many trust him to his administration IMO
And as I said this old guy instead of thinking about closing the border, more or less puts the virus on busses and airplanes and sends it to a town near you. LOL."I am proud that you posted this sad failure of Biden. he just can't get people to step up and get vaccinated. " - YOU ARE RIGHT, then start campaigning for mandating the vaccines to stop mostly conservatives from killing more people.
BTW, what makes that "sad" is your side, the conservative side, won't listen to him and the doctors about getting vaccinated.
Virtually EVERY case of Covid, and the resulting deaths, today are at the feet of conservatives who won't get vaccinated. Why aren't you railing at them???? Why aren't you saying things like [u]"it is sad conservatives]/b] won't get vaccinated". [/u[
"Makes us very distressed to think of how many would have been vaccinated if Trump was still president. " - GIVEN Trump's record, the answer would be [b]a hell of the lot LESS.
BTW, where did you get your low 47% figure from? It is actually 56% that are fully vaccinated (mostly Democrats and Independents) with many more that have one shot. Were you trying to give the reader a false impression of reality?
As to your discriminatory "old man" snark, all I have to say to that is https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7nfiyLQwXHE
"Across forecasts, the US is projected to hit growth rates that haven't been seen in decades"
And given inflation has been suppressed for so many years by both the Obama and Trump administrations tied with the drying up of than then explosion of demand due to Covid, it is amazing it isn't even higher than it is. -- Some might claim that Biden did a great job in limiting its growth. (I am not one of those because I know he has little control over inflation, the FED does.)"What are the Great Things President Joe Biden Has Done While President"
Well, not great but another thing Biden has done or I should say not done.
On another subject --- It seems Biden is doomed to fail with his infrastructure bill. He just does not seem to get a win on his own.
A test vote on Biden's bipartisan infrastructure bill fails Senate amid GOP objections
Senate Republicans on Wednesday mounted a filibuster against a motion to debate a nearly $1 trillion infrastructure bill that President Biden brokered with a bipartisan group of senators, dealing a big setback for efforts to fund new roads, bridges, and broadband improvements.
The procedural vote in the Senate needed 60 votes to succeed but fell short at 49, with Republicans complaining Senate Majority Leader Chuck Schumer, D-N.Y., rushed to a vote on a bill that wasn't quite ready.
Sen. Minority Leader Mitch McConnell called the test vote a "stunt" earlier Wednesday and correctly predicted it would "fail." https://www.foxbusiness.com/politics/bi … objections
However, the Republicans are open to a more sensible bill and hope to work with the Democrats to get an infrastructure bill that is all about infrastructure and not free stuff...
So, pleased to see the GOP stand their ground.More negative news on the economy ---
The number of Americans filing for FRIST-time jobless benefits last week unexpectedly rose from pandemic-era lows.
The Labor Department said Thursday that 419,000 Americans filed for initial jobless benefits in the week ending July 17, above last week’s upwardly revised 368,000 filings. Wall Street analysts surveyed by Refinitiv were expecting 350,000 filings.
Inflation, unemployment. Increased wage, cut in employees, and rise in prices for us all... Wow-what a great plan to pay citizens to stay home, looks like we are losing businesses in many cases due to them not being able to get workers LOL -- And just think of all the taxes we are losing due to the snowball effect from losing all these businesses.
Just another problem that Biden caused with his stay home enjoys the summer $300.00 bucks... And what does Joe do - toss more cash in a child tax payment. Someone better tell Joe the piggy bank is empty. Better stop trying to pay for votes, he is sinking our economy.
So much trouble coming and coming with the speed of a train.He, nor anyone he has appointed, is under indictment.
He has returned the US to international respect.
He does nothing to embarass us day in and day out.
He has let the scientists take charge of fighting the pandemic.
He is presidential and his staff respects the office.
He is supporting legislation that the majority of Americans want passed.
I think today he is being accused of his first lie and I'm sure he will apologize and clarify what he meant. By now in the Trump administration I believe we'd lost count of his lies.Using Trump's favorite measure of success, the stock market, President Biden is doing an outstanding job. The markets set records last week and Biden is putting Trump to shame.
America needs more of Biden.Thanks to President Biden, the economy is now bigger than it was at the beginning of the pandemic. It grew at a sustained 6.5% annual rate, the highest in decades! Keep it up Joe!
https://www.cnn.com/2021/07/29/economy/ … index.htmlThen when it shrinks again because so many Republicans who are unvaccinated will cause the economy to slow, we will get the same forum posts blaming Joe for the slow down. Can't wait.
You may well be right - the refusal to vaccinate may slow the economy right back down.
Or the refusal to knuckle under to requirements to protect idiots that refuse to protect themselves may be ignored. We'll have to wait and see, but my money (for the moment) is that folks aren't going to take much more, particularly when it is designed to protect those that refuse to participate in the nationwide effort to protect all of us.I think your confidence in a system built on making profit (Big Pharma), and vaccines that are completely experimental (have not gone through years of regimented and carefully observed tests) is an example of how some of us are easily influenced by the MSM narrative.
Question - how many years of testing does the yearly flu vaccine go through? How many people are subjected to those "regimented and carefully observed tests" each year for that new flu vaccine?
It is my impression that the vaccine is remade every year, based on projections and best guesses as to what the flu bug will look like. This absolutely precludes those "years" of testing. What is your impression? How long and how many years of testing is performed for each year's new flue vaccine?Not to mention that the Pfizer and Moderna vaccines are an entirely and much safer delivery mechanism that has been under development for over 10 years. I wouldn't be surprised that most vaccines won't be made using this technique.
"I think your confidence in a system built on making profit (Big Pharma), and vaccines that are completely experimental " - That, Ken, is right-wing myth.
There is very little difference in the data requirements on safety and efficacy between getting an EUA and full authorization. Yes, they do need a few more months after the issuance of the EUA, but that data is already in. All the FDA is doing now is looking at manufacturing and distribution before issuing their ruling.
These vaccines are no longer experimental let alone your false characterization that it is [i]completely experimental[/i[
Frankly, it is that kind of rhetoric from the right that is killing thousands of people.
Interesting point. I wonder if economy will shrink that much. Unlike the original pandemic, the whole country locked down because nobody was safe. Today, at least half the population, those who are vaccinated, is safe (although they can still spread Delta). Plus, more and more large employers are mandating vaccination before employees can come back to work.
The question is - can businesses keep up production with just vaccinated employees (or those who keep testing negative).
Another question - as Delta roars through the unvaccinated who chose to make themselves, their kids, their families, and strangers sick or dead will become smart and start getting vaccinated in larger numbers?
What is interesting and plays a part as well is this - conservative America is not where a large portion of GDP is produced and it is conservative America that make bad choices by not getting vaccinated. So even if Delta decimates the South, how much impact will it really have on GDP?
Sure did - sustained for a whole quarter! As businesses re-open from being closed, it grew enormously. For a whole quarter!
Gotta love the spin that it was somehow sustained for more than the minimum time necessary to see it."Sure did - sustained for a whole quarter! " - WRONG AGAIN!, LOL. It is "Sure did - sustained for a whole two quarters! " Two quarters = half a year.
Perhaps you need to read your link, and then think about what it says. Because the 6.5% you tout as being sustained for two whole quarters (6 months) is the highest since 2020.
Think about that - it was higher than the first quarter of 2021. It was NOT, then, "sustained" for 2 quarters. Even your sly spin (making it sound like far more than the measly two months you now mention) is false to fact for it was lower in the preceding quarter.Arguing to argue, and not doing it very well.
Eso's statement: It grew at a sustained 6.5% annual rate, the highest in decades!
The article's statement in the opening paragraph: The US economy in the second quarter expanded at a slower rate than expected but still at its fastest pace since last fall, growing at a seasonally adjusted, annualized rate of 6.5%.
Those two statements seem pretty similar, unless you're from Idaho, I guess.Didn't read far enough, did you? From the link: "It was also only little changed from the first quarter when the economy grew at an annual rate of 6.3%."
Doesn't sound to me like the 6.5% was "sustained" for more than a single quarter, as the first quarter was lower. Of course, simply reading that it was the highest since last fall (which you quoted) should have clued you and Eso in that it was NOT "sustained" for more than a single quarter.
Do people from New York equate 3 to 5? Perhaps their lower grade math courses need to be revamped a little.
But I guess that pointing out arithmetic fallacies is just "arguing to argue", right?Like I said, arguing to argue. Eso cited 6.5% annual, the article said 6.5% annual.
And an increase in a rate certainly sounds like something sustained. Sustained: continuing for an extended period or without interruption. 6.0% to 6.3% to 6.5% definitely fits that definition, unless you cannot comprehend what sustained means.
And I'm just going to choose to report that pettiness instead of trading barbs with you since all you do is write nonsense until it devolves into insults.Hmm. You do understand that in your example, the sustained figure is 6.0, not 6.5? It will always be the lowest of the group, never the highest.
You see, 6.5 is greater than 6.3, so 6.3 is included in the 6.5 figure. However, the opposite is not true; 6.5 is not included in 6.3.
This is elementary arithmetic - perhaps NY needs to improve their schools?
(By the way - the article said 6.5% annual, for ONE quarter. Eso said 6.5% annual for TWO quarters. There is a difference between one and two, just as there is between three and five).
"Doesn't sound to me like the 6.5% was "sustained" for more than a single quarter, as the first quarter was lower. " - That is called "wordsmithing" for sake of being pointlessly contrarian. Sensible people understand the meaning even if you don't.
Is this the definition of "obtuse"? I do not, for one second, believe that you think the 6.5% rate you claim was sustained was the rate for the first quarter. The article makes it very clear it was not (did you read the article?), and I assume you understood the simple English it used.
6.3 < 6.5; ergo the first quarter was less than the second and therefore the second quarter rate was NOT "sustained" for more than the second quarter.
And the caveat about "last fall" refers to the one quarter bounce back from from the pandemic low before falling back to 4.3% in the 4th quarter. It then rose to 6.4% and 6.5%, back to back numbers not seen in decades.
Boy, you can't get anything right, can you.
Another great Jobs Report from President Biden. Almost 1 million people put back to work and unemployment drops to 5.4%,
https://www.cnn.com/2021/08/06/economy/ … index.html
Even better, the misinformed unvaccinated are getting a clue and are protecting themselves and others in greater numbers.I do not hold the following as a "great" thing President Biden has done - although Trumpers might.
I am an admitted hawk when our national security interests are in peril. I know I am in the minority on this but I supported our involvement in Vietnam and I support our remaining in Afghanistan. In both cases, I firmly believe our national security interests are threatened. On the other hand, I opposed our involvement in Iraq because 1) I saw no threat to our security from Iraq and 2) I saw a major threat to it from Afghanistan.
President George W. Bush blew it, in my opinion, by turning the focus of the fight against terror away from where it originated in Afghanistan to an unnecessary war in Iraq. .President Obama was left the hand he was dealt in Iraq by Bush but rightly refocused on Afghanistan - but he was too timid.
Trump didn't do any worse in Afghanistan than his predecessors until he announced our withdrawal from Afghanistan. That was the beginning of the debacle we see there now. President Biden had a chance to correct course but didn't - he made it much, much worse.
Both Trump and Biden has proved once again that America cannot be trusted to keep its promises and that they are willing to put our national security interests at risk because Americans got tired of doing the right thing.
Biden's botching of first, announcing that America is giving up the good fight and second, the cut-and-running will forever put a blot on whatever other great things he has and will accomplish accomplish in the four years he is in office. SAD."Biden's botching of first, announcing that America is giving up the good fight and second, the cut-and-running will forever put a blot on whatever other great things he has and will accomplish in the four years he is in office. SAD."
Agree very sad... Let me remind you Trump's administration further destroyed al-Quida and destroyed ISIS. They will once again gather and rule the middle east.
Biden is hiding, and one thing is a fact --- he will be responsible for any and all that die due to his poor decision-making. Just as Trump would have been if he had won and botched this pull-out. I am tired of hearing non-sensible excuses for Bidems mistakes. All presidents make mistakes, can calculate wrong. But Americans could have been pulled out long ago before Biden offered a pull-out date.
Biden's polls make me realize more are coming to see what a mistake it was to put him in the White House.
The Rasmussen Reports daily Presidential Tracking Poll, sponsored by The ANTIFA by Jack Posobiec, for Monday shows that 46% of Likely U.S. Voters approve of President Biden’s job performance. Fifty-three percent (53%) disapprove.
The latest figures include 26% who Strongly Approve of the job Biden is doing and 43% who Strongly Disapprove. This gives him a Presidential Approval Index rating of -17
A bit of a return to the subject of the thread --- Are you reconsidering your support for Biden in any respect now that you have witnessed his job performance of six months?
The pandemic has not been "put behind us" we are dealing with over a hundred thousand DELTA cases a day, and Dr. Fauci claims this winter will be worst than last winter.
We are still in a recession, that shows no real signs of slowing.
Overall, the number of unemployed is at 8.7 million.
Tuesday, August 17, 2021, Again polls are indicating they do not feel confident about Biden's presidency or approve of his job performance.
The Rasmussen Reports daily Presidential Tracking Poll, sponsored by, for Tuesday shows that 45% of Likely U.S. Voters approve of President Biden’s job performance. Fifty-four percent (54%) disapprove.
The latest figures include 27% who Strongly Approve of the job Biden is doing and 45% who Strongly Disapprove. This gives him a Presidential Approval Index rating of -18. (see trends)No, beyond this blunder, he has done a great job in pulling America out of the hole Trump put us in.
His decision to pull out of Afghanistan is supported by the vast majority of Americans (even though I think it was bone-headed and dangerous to national security). Three presidents before him said they would. Two of them didn't, and Trump started to without having a fall back plan - he just did it.
The same can be said of Biden - he made a promise and he kept it regardless of the consequences. Only time will tell what went wrong in the analysis of how much time he had to withdraw.
Personally, if I had made that decision, I would have dumped another 30,000 troops in there, then taken the fight to the Taliban, while at the same time pulling all Americans and allies out, as well as any women who wanted to leave. THEN, and only then, would I have pulled the troops out and let the country fall. I'll bet you anything that is something like what the military advised him.
"We are still in a recession" - ACTUALLY, we are not. The NBER recently announced the recession had ended in April 2020 after reviewing the data.
"Dr. Fauci claims this winter will be worst than last winter." - 1) I thought you guys didn't listen to Fauci and 2) the only reason it will be is 100% on the shoulders of the unvaccinated, the plurality of whom are white Republicans.
How come you never mention that Biden is still above water while Trump NEVER was?
Here is what started the debacle in Afghanistan that will stain Biden's otherwise great record forever. It is true, everything Trump touches, dies.
https://www.cnn.com/2021/08/17/politics … an-cnntv/iLet me reorient you to who is president at this time his name is Biden --- all of this mess is on him IMO. He should have used simple common sense to remove civilians before troops. He would not listen to his own military. and though he knew best. Well, it appears he has one of the biggest messes we have needed as American's to witness.
Common sense is something Biden does not have..And let me reorient you to the fact because of Trump, Biden's withdrawal was going to fail. IMO, Biden should put more troops in, not take them out just to fill a campaign promise and the will of the people, even though it is clearly against our national interest.
"He would not listen to his own military. and though he knew best." - SOUNDS like your hero. Why are you so proud of Trump for doing exactly that?? Isn't that called hypocracy?Gen Milley --- WE DON'T HAVE THE CAPABILITY’: With 6,000 troops committed to defend the Kabul airport and less than two weeks until a self-imposed Aug. 31 deadline, Defense Secretary Lloyd Austin says he doesn’t have enough forces to help Americans or qualified Afghans get to the airport for flights to safety.
“I don't have the capability to go out and extend operations currently into Kabul,” Austin said in his first public comments since the fall of the capital Sunday. “We don't have the capability to go out and collect up large numbers of people.”
https://news.yahoo.com/hamstrung-austin … 00385.html
Last I knew Biden commanded our military... Can't wait until Gen Milley is heard at a Congressional investigation of Biden's leadership in the pull out."Gen Milley --- WE DON'T HAVE THE CAPABILITY’:" - Yes, you are correct, Trump didn't leave enough troops in country to do the job properly.
The fault of Biden is not inserting more troops before drawing down - but then you would have criticized him for that as well. It seems you like to put him down whether there is a reason or not? In any case, he is doing it now.Really? Trump had ample troops, the Bagram airport was functional, and he left an agreement.
He also had Fox News has obtained the June 11 memo sent around the State Department which gave the green light on the "discontinuation of the establishment, and the termination of, the Contingency and Crisis Response Bureau (CCR)."
The sensitive but unclassified memo was signed by Deputy Secretary of State Brian McKeon, just a couple of months before the Biden administration’s botched troop withdrawal that saw Afghanistan fall under Taliban control.
source -- https://www.foxnews.com/politics/biden- … -ccr-kabul
His house of cards has collapsed. He was warned by many that this mess would occur, and now he has our military surrounded in the last airport in Afganistan like defenseless sitting ducks. The troops can't leave the airport.
Believe what you please.... I would think it's obvious the trouble Biden has created and will need to answer for."Really? Trump had ample troops, the Bagram airport was functional, and he left an agreement." - Bull. He was supposed to leave 8,500 troops. He didn't do it! Instead he left 2,500 troops with a promise to withdraw the rest before he left office. Why can't you understand that simple fact??
So, in reality, Trump FAILED to 1) follow the agreement and 2) to do what he said and withdraw all troops in January.
Since Fox is known to lie a lot, anything they say must be verified. Find me an honest news outlet that corroborates Fox's claim. All I saw was a bunch of right-wing propaganda outlets.
But what is true, Republicans voted AGAINST speeding up the visa process of what you claim was needed.The troops Trump left had Bagram up and running when he left office. That is a Fact. Trump's agreement had the date of May 1 2021 to be out of Afghanistan. I provide the agreement that shows that very date. That's also a true fact. Do I need to post the entire agreement once again --- read the agreement? I assume you have gotten all this information from the media. READ THE AGREEMENT. The media do have not to portrait the agreement with any actual facts from the agreement.
In regard to the Fox report --- I have verified it with several different sources.
I am not interested in defending Trump, he has nothing to do with this evacuation mess, in any respect. Biden made his own problems, he always does.Give me a break. Bagram was out in the middle of nowhere. You think people have a problem getting to the Kabul airport, just think of the problems they would have had getting to Bagram which is at least 60 miles further away.
I READ THE AGREEMENT! What makes that May 1 so sacrosanct to you?? Neither side was living up to it. The Taliban basically ignored it because Trump was pulling out willie-nillie faster than that. The AGREEMENT was NULL AND VOID. His final plan was to withdraw entirely before he left office with NO PLANS to bring anybody but the troops home. Plans that were totally missing from the null and void agreement.
Were all your sources right-wing propaganda outlets or did more reliable sources like the BBC, Reuters, CNN, ABC, CBS, NPR, or NBC carry it? Here, I just found a Yahoo News article that reports what appears to be the complete picture - AND it isn't what Fox misled you to believe.
https://news.yahoo.com/biden-admin-move … 37786.html
If I understood it correctly, the thing you and Fox are all up in arms about didn't even functionally exist!https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/bi … ar-AANtgkl
The Biden administration moved in June to dismantle a system designed to protect American citizens trapped abroad — just months before the Taliban took over Afghanistan, stranding thousands of Americans in the Central Asian country.
Fox News has obtained the June 11 memo sent around the State Department which gave the green light on the "discontinuation of the establishment, and the termination of, the Contingency and Crisis Response Bureau (CCR)."
The sensitive but unclassified memo was signed by Deputy Secretary of State Brian McKeon, just a couple of months before the Biden administration’s botched troop withdrawal that saw Afghanistan fall under Taliban control.
https://cbnc.com/biden-admin-moved-to-d … fall-memo/
BOTH CARRIED FOX REPORT...
Bagram was a large airbase that could have been very useful with evacuation. However, on Jul 1 2021 the troops were ordered to pull out in the dark of night, and never informed the Afgan Government that they were leaving. Source's
"BAGRAM, Afghanistan (AP) — The U.S. left Afghanistan’s Bagram Airfield after nearly 20 years by shutting off the electricity and slipping away in the night without notifying the base’s new Afghan commander, who discovered the Americans’ departure more than two hours after they left, Afghan military officials said. Source --- PBS ":
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-57682290
https://apnews.com/article/bagram-afgha … aaa167e623
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/wor … 871154002/
I would assume Biden gave the order to desert this airbase. A state-of-the-art airbase that houses many barracks, and other housing units as well as a hospital, and two airstrips. and only one hour from Kabul. Guess Joe felt a tiny one airstrip was all that would be needed two evacuate 50, 000 to 60,000 people.
Trump was keeping to the agreement as was the Taliban pretty much. Biden did not in any respect keep to the US negotiate an agreement. You see IMO he only does what he pleases. he breaks laws if they don't suit him.That is called "transference" You are really speaking about Trump.
No, Trump was a great problem solver your guy --- not so much. I think Ken's list gives very good proof of just how inept Biden is. In my view, none of this would be happening under Trump, and our border would still be secure, and we would not be bedding OPIC to produce more oil --- https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-ea … 021-08-11/
"Aug 11 (Reuters) - U.S. President Joe Biden's administration on Wednesday urged OPEC and its allies to boost oil output to tackle rising gasoline prices that they see as a threat to the global economic recovery".
Biden is a destroyer. Not sure how anyone can defend his job performance.This is simply called research to provide facts, to help one understand how I came to an opinion. I like to try to use facts as often as I can, and quote persons that offer facts on a media report.
Actually, I used the wrong term. The correct term is "projecting", which is part of "gaslighting".
So, when you improperly use the results of that research to place on Biden what is actually Trump, that is called projecting.Trump is in no respect responsible for the messes Bidens creates. Not sure how anyone could go on supporting this man after seeing how inept he is.
But hey that's your prerogative. I don't really care about the personal attacks, come with the territory. I have always found those who need to get personal are very much insecure and need an outlet when they are proved to be wrong. Calling one a liar or insinuating one is projecting is an outlet in my book... You rarely address my sources or the information they offer. You move on or put out a bit of an insult.
I just prefer to fall back on facts, and I am very comfortable with my comments, due to relying on facts. I do not consider myself an expert on most subjects, so I turn to the experts and quote them... Some here seem to think they are experts on --- everything.
So, I will continue to look to the pros... and present facts."Not sure how anyone could go on supporting this man after seeing how inept he is." - Then why do you keep on supporting Trump, the most inept president in American history. You forget, Trump's ineptness has led to the death of hundreds of thousands of Americans due to Covid.
Had he been as competent has say New Zealand and Australia, our death toll might be a 100,000 or so, not 650,000. So please don't bring up ineptness without bringing up Trump.
As to Biden, I won't argue with you that he blew it with the withdrawal, but EVERYTHING else he has done has been spot on.
Oh yes, all I deal in is facts as well. I try very hard to make false statements like ""Trump directed Pompeo to formed a committee months before he left office to help with that plan, which Pompeo did. " - First, how do you know Trump directed that? Not saying he didn't, but how do you know he did. Second, you claim that Pompeo set up the committee and implied they even made "suggestions" - that is not a fact.
Now THIS is a real fact (which I provided before) -
A State Department spokesperson told Fox News in a Wednesday email that it "is important to note that not only would the proposed Contingency and Crisis Response Bureau b][not have introduced any new capabilities[/b] to the Department, [i]it was never formally established."
What you offered was not a fact, it was Fox misinformation."As to Biden, I won't argue with you that he blew it with the withdrawal, but EVERYTHING else he has done has been spot on."
He was "spot on" when he shut down deportations from the interior, ignoring the laws of the nation?
He was "spot on" when he encouraged illegal aliens to cross our borders because he would ensure they would all be made citizens?
He was "spot on" when he made us once more dependent on foreign supplies of oil?
He was "spot on" with border policies resulting in a million people a month crossing illegally?
He was "spot on" when he brought in thousands of COVID cases and distributed them into communities without telling anyone?
He was "spot on" when he made the US the baby sitter of the world, with ten thousand children for us to care for and raise?
He is "spot on" with his assurances that America will again pick up the costs for world wide projects dear to the heart of socialists?
The list would go on for pages of Biden's "spot on" actions that are as far from good for our country as it is possible to get."He was "spot on" when he shut down deportations from the interior, ignoring the laws of the nation?" - Show me the statute he broke?
"He was "spot on" when he encouraged illegal aliens to cross our borders because he would ensure they would all be made citizens?" - Beyond paraphrasing what is on the Statue of Liberty, SHOW me where he did that.
"He was "spot on" when he brought in thousands of COVID cases and distributed them into communities without telling anyone?" - Prove that lie.
"He was "spot on" when he made the US the baby sitter of the world, with ten thousand children for us to care for and raise?" - WHAT fantasy world do you live in? That is not even remotely true.
"He is "spot on" with his assurances that America will again pick up the costs for world wide projects dear to the heart of socialists?" - Another part of your imaginary world.
He sent troops into an airport that is surrounded by the Taliban... These troops are sitting ducks. He should have pulled the people that needed to be evacuated before drawing down troops. He should have listened to the General's, and the CIA
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/nation … s-n1277026
.Or maybe perhaps Pompeo and Trump should not have assisted in the release of 5,000 Taliban prisoners until AFTER we had withdrawn our people. They said they never trusted them, but assisted in providing them the forces to overwhelm the Afghan government.
Take a look in the mirror for once.This comment in my view is unrelated to the fact that Biden has made decisions that put our troops in harm's way, as well as thousands of American's and allies. He has botched this pullout. He did not listen to his own intelligence. In my opinion, he is not and never was suited to serve as president. This has nothing to do with how trump letting people out of our military prison. Afghanistan was under control while Trump was president, not a death of a soldier in 18 months. The Taliban was for all purposes contained. He left an agreement that Biden choose not to follow, he dismantled a committee on June 11, 2021, that was planning for a safe evacuation of Americans/others from Afganastan.
Biden as I have said from day one has no problem-solving skills, he is mentally compromised IMO.
He needs to resign or be impeached. He is not equipped to be president.
These 5,000 had nothing to do with this poorly planned evacuation.
I find it odd you tell anyone to look into a mirror. can't imagine anyone at this point defending the actions of this man.
Just this morning it was reported Biden's own state department on July 13, 2021, warned the rapid collapse of Afganastan, and a suggested plan to help get people evacuated.
The investigation of this mess will out that Biden took it upon himself to make all decisions without considering his the State Department, and the CIA, and his Military... The chips are falling, and no one is willing to take the blame for this fool's decisions. He is toast, and the day they impeach him can't come too soon.It has everything to do with what is going on there now because it set the stage for the current debacle. Had Trump done it right, then Biden unfortunate decision to leave would have had a much better outcome.
I won't argue that Biden bears a lot of the responsibility for the current state of affairs, but if Trump hadn't bungled it so badly, Biden wouldn't have had to thread the needle in the first place. Both men bear a lot of the responsibility - not to mention the Afghan leadership.I am not willing in any respect to put any of this on Trump. Have fun. Just not willing to join in blaming anyone but Biden. Trump had the situation under control, and a great plan to accomplish the goal of withdrawal, which I was 100% on board with.
Too bad he did not win, we would not have had this problem raging on or the border mess.
Like I have said, Biden needs to be impeached if he won't step down. He has put American troops in harm's way, as well as thousands of American citizens. He is dangerous and needs to retire. We can't afford a president that is so careless, and unable to solve problems. This situation will only get worse in the days to come.I'll be interested in seeing how we get the last few planeloads out of the airport. There can't be a more vulnerable position than a plane slowly moving down a runway - a runway surrounded by armed, suicidal fanatics wishing to kill Americans and absolutely no one to stop them.
We will have one person to blame if people are killed --- That would be a man that just thought he knew more than the pros that handle true problems of war. But, one must always remember Joe beat down "Corn Pop" or his claim that while in South Africa while trying to see Nelson he was arrested. He is totally incompetent.
Our soldiers are trapped in a small airport that they can't leave --- I call that a hostage situation or one just waiting to happen.
It is time he resigns! He can do nothing from here on to make me in any respect feel safe in America.I have thought about the same thing? I suspect (hope) there will be an armada of gunships, bombers, fighter aircraft, cruise missiles, etc targeting every known Taliban position in the country ready to rain death and destruction should they interfere.
"Just not willing to join in blaming anyone but Biden. " - Why do you keep lying??
I will gladly step away from the conversation. I have more than made my point, offered sources to back my opinion. I see you are back to calling names
.I didn't call you a name, I simply asked a question.
Maybe you should consider what Biden has done... What he has done to make this historic dangerous mess.
It would seem you are dwelling on Trump once again, he is not the president. He had a plan to remove all that needed removing before the troops... So easy, so common sence. He also would not have left weapons, aircraft, and intact airstrips... That would be Biden's dession.
That would be our current president.
"He should have pulled the people that needed to be evacuated before drawing down troops." - That is what I have been saying, isn't it.
That was Trump's plan... Too bad Biden did not use that very common-sense solution --- he can't solve problems only make them. Maybe it's time to realize that... Think border mess, think our soldier trapped on an airport in Afghanistan. He is not suitable to be president. IMO we would not be looking at this situation if Trump were in charge -- he is a problem solver.
I am encouraged and find hope due to the polls that indicate more American's are realizing their mistake in voting for Biden. Better late than never. . https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions … e-nervous/
This mess is on you guy... Trump had the situation under control. all came down on Joe's time. And CNN well just a very poor source at best. The link seems to have been taken down. This happens frequently at CNN. Perhaps a retraction?
CNN... where we fabricate news 100% of the time, if it isn't fake or opinion, it isn't CNN!!!
And if we get caught... well, we just delete the evidence!
"Trump had the situation under control. " - LOL. As The Hill article makes perfectly clear, Trump is the one that destabilized everything by
1. Not following his own plan.
2. Drawing down way to fast in the end
3. Not getting ANY concessions from the Taliban
4. Not including the Afghan gov't in the plan
5. Not forcing the Taliban to the negotiating table which the "plan" called for.
Face it - Trump totally blew it.
I will admit that Biden's mishandling of the Afghan withdrawal has set our relations with our allies back to the bad old days of the Trump administration. At least he isn't insulting them like Trump did, but not consulting with them is plenty bad.
https://www.cnn.com/2021/08/18/politics … index.htmlWorld leaders laugh at Biden, they found him to be a joke, incompetent at the G7... where he was exposed to the world to be a buffoon.
They may have not liked Trump, but they feared what he might do, or respected that he might do something.
I'd rather be disliked but considered capable of action, then laughed at and considered incompetent.Biden's words ring in my ears ---- "America is back on the world stage."
Teah he sure kept that promise in spades. Can't wait to read the reviews of the poorly directed play... Buffon is too kind."World leaders laugh at Biden, they found him to be a joke, incompetent at the G7... where he was exposed to the world to be a buffoon." - Actually, that is not even close to being true. You are describing how they felt about Trump.
Yes, they also feared him as they would fear any mad man with power.Reality about Joe Biden's pathetic presence at the G7:
https://thefederalist.com/2021/06/14/bi … -his-wake/
More Reality:
https://www.the-sun.com/news/us-news/30 … ers-laugh/
And still more Reality:
https://twitter.com/JewishVoice/status/ … e-39656%2FFeared? Did you see the news out of the UK today? Do a bit of research on that if you are interested. World leaders are starting to chime in...
https://www.nytimes.com/2021/08/18/worl … n-too.html
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/20 … an-pulloutI couldn't read the NYT link - firewall
But the Guardian doesn't address European leaders fearing mad man Trump. Instead, it talks about Biden fumbling on Afghanistan.
I find it ironic that Trump dodged the same bullet by once again not doing what he promised the Taliban to withdraw entirely by January leaving the field to them. Since Trump failed to do what he said he would, that left Biden to finish the job for him.Perhaps it's time to stop blaming Trump for Biden's mistakes?
Exactly.
Can we not evaluate Joe Biden... on what Joe Biden says and does?
Day 1 in office, he essentially shuts down drilling for oil and gas in America.
A few months later he is literally at a podium begging foreigners to produce more oil.
Nov 04, 2020 · The national average price for gasoline was $2.11 gallon.
Aug 11, 2021 · The national average price for gasoline was $3.15 gallon.
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Biden immediately ended the national emergency that Trump declared on the border in February 2018. He issued new "standing orders" to BP Agencies that they were to catch and release, into America, illegal immigrants crossing the border.
Biden’s DHS terminated enrollment in the Migrant Protection Protocols. Otherwise known as “Remain in Mexico,” this program provided that migrants who “illegally or without proper documentation” entered the United States from Mexico would be returned there while their claims for asylum were processed.
Biden's words as he ran to become President were loud and clear, here is one example: President Biden urged them to “come” to the country if they were being “oppressed.”
“They deserve to be heard. That’s who we are,” Biden said at the time. “We’re a nation that says, ‘You want to flee, and you’re fleeing oppression, you should come.'”
They are currently coming to the tune of almost a million a month.
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Afghanistan ... could have been handled in many different ways.
How Biden addressed the matter could have been handled differently this past week.
This is Biden's mess, same with the border, same with energy prices, etc. etc. not Trump, not Obama, not Bush... Biden.Let me count the ways --- All this in 6 months. This man is destroying America. I am very sure you'll be adding more of his horrific blunders to the list.
It is obvious some will not or can not digest the facts. I thank you for posting this comment. I for one am going to save it for reference."This man is destroying America. " - Again transference - you are talking about Trump
I notice when you can't defend your view you get personal. Once again Biden is the President, he is responsible for all the crises we are expensing,
Must inform you your last trump conspiracy fell through --- "FBI finds no evidence Capitol riot was coordinated" The FBI has reportedly found no evidence that far-right allies of Donald Trump conspired to overturn the presidential election during the January 6 assault on the US Capitol, according to law enforcement officers briefed on the investigation.
Reuters reported the FBI doesn’t believe the thousands-strong mob that stormed the Capitol was part of a coordinated effort, or that the rioters had planned what they would do once they breached the building.
The story was immediately seized on by supporters of Mr Trump as evidence that the mob that smashed their way into the Senate chamber had not been trying to prevent the certification of the 2020 presidential results."
:"Can we not evaluate Joe Biden... on what Joe Biden says and does?" - AND you want to do that in vacuum? Why?
"Day 1 in office, he essentially shuts down drilling for oil and gas in America." - ACTUALLY, that is not true. But what he did do was a good for the world.
"A few months later he is literally at a podium begging foreigners to produce more oil." - A TOTAL mischaracterization and misinformation.
"Aug 11, 2021 · The national average price for gasoline was $3.15 gallon." - What is your point? That Americans should have stayed at home in order to keep prices lower and hurt our oil industry? Why didn't you compare it to May 2019 when it was $2.95? Not as misleading is it?
"Biden immediately ended the national emergency that Trump declared on the border in February 2018. " - AS WELL he should have since there was no national emergency to start with. Trump just cheated to get funding for his useless wall.
"Biden’s DHS terminated enrollment in the Migrant Protection Protocols." - AS WELL he should have. It was (and now is again) one of Trump many inhumane policies.
"“They deserve to be heard. That’s who we are,” Biden said at the time. “We’re a nation that says, ‘You want to flee, and you’re fleeing oppression, you should come.'” - YOU are probably one of the ones who wants to tear down the Statute of Liberty.Sure, but can we also add some context to debate where blame lies?
In November 2020, that was the height of the pandemic and travel was significantly down. With low demand, prices plummeted. You could just as easily argue that demand drove prices low and now that demand is up due to people increasing travel, prices have risen. Simple economics explains the rise in prices.
The 38% retry rate from Trump's Title 42 policy can also been seen as a reason for the spike in border crossing rates. One year earlier, that number was just 7%. Does Biden get some culpability for being willing to protect children, sure. But there are arguments that the retry rate explains much of the increases.
And as for Afghanistan, supplying the Taliban with 5,000 fighters before we completed our withdrawal certainly added to the speed with which they were able to overwhelm the Afghan government forces. We have Pompeo and Trump to thank for giving the Taliban the strength to take over the country before Americans were fully withdrawn from the country.
Sure, judge Biden if any Americans are killed. But be sure to look on all the reasons and hold everyone culpable who had a hand in giving the Taliban the strength to commit such atrocity.
Each side can make their case for who gets the most blame and there's plenty of actions taken to do so. If all we want to do is point fingers all day, we can. You will think you're right, and we will think we are as well. No one will win this argument, I guarantee it.This statement is mostly false.
Average National Gasoline Price in November of 2019, before Covid, was only $2.19.
This statement is mostly false, hypothetical and unsubstantiated.
The year prior could have been just 7% because they weren't capturing and sending back illegal immigrants with the same effort and emphasis.
Biden's immediate reversal of all of Trump's border efforts sent the "open border" message to all people across the world, this is the primary reason why the number has grown into the high hundreds of thousands crossing every month. They come... because they know they will be allowed to cross.
Please, the country was collapsed in days because of 5,000 people?
A country that Biden has bragged had a well trained army of over 300,000 just a month prior to its complete collapse?
We will have to wait a while to see what this debacle of a exodus brings us, its too early to tell if this will merely be very bad optics with a few dozen tragic deaths as America fled... or if it develops into something much worse in the weeks ahead.This statement is mostly false.
Average National Gasoline Price in November of 2019, before Covid, was only $2.19.
Ok, so in a year where not as much volume was sold at the same price, gas companies would not want to raise prices when demand rose to offset the loss in 2020? Again, simple economics. So what you claim as false has the simplest of explanations if you understand how business works.
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This statement is mostly false, hypothetical and unsubstantiated.
The year prior could have been just 7% because they weren't capturing and sending back illegal immigrants with the same effort and emphasis.
Do more research, it's taken directly from government sources.
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'Please, the country was collapsed in days by 5,000 people?'
Do you really think that 5,000 was the whole of the Taliban? Why did we bother negotiating with them if they were all locked up?
The true number of Afghan soldiers and police reached roughly 200,000 as of 2019, according to several of the officials – including some who participated in training them. Biden either misspoke or exaggerated. "As opposed to a lack of resources, the collapse was more a product of feeling abandoned," says retired Army Gen. Joseph Votel, who led the headquarters overseeing all American operations in the Middle East until 2019, when current U.S. Central Command chief, Marine Gen. Frank McKenzie, took over.
By the time Biden was prepared to announce the U.S. withdrawal earlier this year, however, the number of uniformed Afghan forces had dropped to somewhere between 75,000 and 90,000 – a U.S. military and intelligence assessment that Biden had seen, these sources say. Perhaps more troubling, the assessments also concluded the Taliban strength had grown as high as 120,000.
As I've noted previously, the foregone conclusion was this agreement ensured the fall of the Afghan government. All US Intelligence sources understood it. That the violence occurred while we were leaving really doesn't change the fact that that same violence was going to happen at some point ever since Trump signed the agreement and Biden agreed to honor it. To deny that is to deny the reality of the numbers.
Someone with intelligence might have negotiated an agreement that denied the Taliban the right to take any territory UNTIL we had completely withdrawn from the country to ensure the safety of our people.I'll just let my comments stand on their own merits.
Just a dash of common sense and knowledge is all that is needed to understand the lack of validity in yours.If one had common sense and knowledge, I'd doubt they be on a public site, using their business identity, and backing the big lie. So, I'll sleep just fine with the arguments I've made.
"Mullah Abdul Ghani Baradar, the Taliban’s co-founder, is still part of its hierarchy and remains a key influence, even meeting with Chinese foreign minister Wang Yi in Tianjin, China, late last month to discuss the likely consequences of the American withdrawal."
Ken,
I found this excerpt from a yahoo article part of the Brits "Independent News", there is now evidence of some cooperation between China and the Taliban. You are vindicated as this has to be a cause for concern.
"That the violence occurred while we were leaving really doesn't change the fact that that same violence was going to happen at some point ever since Trump signed the agreement and Biden agreed to honor it. To deny that is to deny the reality of the numbers."
One big problem --- Biden did not follow or respect Trump's agreement. He was to be out by May 1, 2021...
I would like some form of explanation and source of how Biden kept to the agreement? Biden did not in any respect keep to the agreement. I would think as always he has sunk himself with lies. He should in no respect be using Trump's agreement for his ridiculous non-sensical decisions.
It can well be proven Biden ignored the agreement as he does anything that suits him.
You say violence would have occurred one way or the other --- I say it would not have under Trump. Trump took the initiative to get an agreement, he kept to the agreement. Biden just ignored a US agreement and did nothing to prevent this chaos.
Hopefully, he will be impeached. It is clear the CIA, the State Department, as well as the Military advisers told him of what was happening. Joe hide out and ignored all. And one thing is true the buck stops with him, and none of the above mentioned will defend his actions. The truth will win out.I never claimed Biden stuck to Trump's agreement - not ratified by Congress by the way. He was under no legal requirement to do so then, and was perfectly authorized to evaluate the pros and cons of honoring that agreement once he took office and after having his own national security team in place. Because this was like so many policies necessary from the executive branch in the last twelve years, they allow the next President to either honor them or scrap them.
Hence the delay as he got his people into national security positions and let them evaluate the agreement that was forced upon them by something Trump had four years to accomplish but waited until the end of his term to do. Your point about not sticking to the agreement's timeline doesn't seem to factor in what would happen if a newly elected and competent president were to take office.
You're naive then or fail to do any research of you think the Taliban would not have began attacking the Afghan government. All US Intelligence services agreed that the timeline would have been 18 months at the most before they took control of the government. Please go search out some facts on that, especially when the Taliban had 120,000 fighters to the Afghan government's 75,000-90,000 once Biden started to evaluate Trump's agreement.
If you're hoping for impeachment, it's clear you don't understand the process very well."I never claimed Biden stuck to Trump's agreement " Please let me quote you saying just that
I quote your comment ---- "That the violence occurred while we were leaving really doesn't change the fact that that same violence was going to happen at some point ever since Trump signed the agreement and Biden agreed to honor it. To deny that is to deny the reality of the numbers."
This appears to be saying that you felt Biden kept to the agreement...
It is very correct Biden did not have to stick to the agreement the United States Made in good faith with the Taliba. He was the new Commander And Chief. As I stated Biden did not keep the agreement. And ignored the problem, and did not plan a safe evacuation for the remaining troops as well as all the civilians that needed evacuating.
Trump directed Pompeo to formed a committee months before he left office to help with that plan, which Pompeo did. On June 11 2021 Biden took it upon himself to dismantle that committee. he did not replace it or even use the suggestions they could have provided. IMO Biden is a vindictive man and cut off his nose to spite his face.
In my view, Biden had no plan at all ... He has created a mess, that could have been avoided if he would have used common sense."Trump directed Pompeo to formed a committee months before he left office to help with that plan, which Pompeo did. " - NO, he didn't, the committee was never formed. They provided know "suggestions" that I know of.
"IMO Biden is a vindictive man and cut off his nose to spite his face." -
This is a good example of you trying to 'project" Trump on to Biden. Everybody, except BDS Biden-haters, knows vindictiveness is not a Biden characteristic while it is core to Trump's belief system. He even says so himself in his books.Please note the FACTs --- The Biden administration moved in June to dismantle a system designed to protect American citizens trapped abroad — just months before the Taliban took over Afghanistan, stranding thousands of Americans in the Central Asian country.
Fox News has obtained the June 11 memo sent around the State Department which gave the green light on the "discontinuation of the establishment, and the termination of, the Contingency and Crisis Response Bureau (CCR)."
The sensitive but unclassified memo was signed by Deputy Secretary of State Brian McKeon, just a couple of months before the Biden administration’s botched troop withdrawal that saw Afghanistan fall under Taliban control.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/bi … ar-AANtgkl
https://news.yahoo.com/biden-wh-memo-ta … 36014.html
Good morning and welcome to Fox News First. Here's what you need to know as you start your day …
Biden WH memo before Taliban takeover sought to lift protections for Americans trapped abroad
The Biden administration moved in June to dismantle a system designed to protect American citizens trapped abroad — just months before the Taliban took over Afghanistan, stranding thousands of Americans in the Central Asian country.
Fox News has obtained the June 11 memo sent around the State Department that gave the green light to the "discontinuation of the establishment, and the termination of, the Contingency and Crisis Response Bureau (CCR)."
The sensitive but unclassified memo was signed by Deputy Secretary of State Brian McKeon, just a couple of months before the Biden administration’s botched troop withdrawal that saw Afghanistan fall under Taliban control.
CCR was formed under Trump-era Secretary of State Mike Pompeo and was tasked with providing "aviation, logistics, and medical support capabilities for the Department's operational bureaus, thereby enhancing the secretary's ability to protect American citizens overseas in connection with overseas evacuations in the aftermath of a natural or man-made disaster."
The bureau could have played a role in the response to the Taliban’s takeover of Afghanistan, where thousands of American citizens and allies are trapped behind terrorist lines.
PLEASE offer proof of your opinion that the committee was never formed.
MY gosh talk about projecting --- I have offered these links once again... I guess at this point I can just say --- belief what you please. Very odd mindset I must say, you seem to just feel you can dispute any and all facts.
I can see your baiting ...
I prefer to not communicate any further with you. On any subject... Bye
Interesting. I just took the Michael Smerconish poll which asked
Was the situation in Afghanistan today inevitable or the result of policy making mistakes?
The choices were "It was inevitable" or "A result of policy-making mistakes" (without saying whose).
I chose the second one for several reasons having to do with both Trump and Biden. Out of 17,000 votes so far, the consensus is that it was "inevitable" - 2/3 to 1/3.
Now, I made the assumption he was talking about what is happening with the evacuation. If he was asking about the Taliban takeover in general, I think I would have answered the same since America could have chosen to stay had we had the will and guts.
More news that Biden's recovery plan is working, much to the consternation of Conservatives.
- Retail sales are significantly above pre-pandemic levels
- FRED Atlanta is predicting a nice 6.1% GDP 3rd Q growth, which continues the sustained growth numbers of 6.2% and 6.5% the previous quarters
- 943,000 jobs were added in July.
- Unemployment is 5.4% in July, down from 10.2% a year ago and 6.3% when he took over, It is below the historic average.In terms of the rising gun violence that one of our far-right whiners will undoubtedly bring up to try and turn the narrative to a negative:
Chicago, which had seen homicides fall below 500 in the early 2010s, saw them jump to 770 in 2020, though not to its historic 1974 high of 970 homicides.
New York City saw more than 2,200 killings in a single year in 1990, compared with 468 last year, according to city data. In the bigger picture, that’s a nearly 80% decrease.
Los Angeles saw more than 1,000 homicides a year in the early 1990s, compared with fewer than 350 last year.
But what’s happening with homicides is not part of some broader “crime wave.” In fact, many crimes, from larcenies to robberies to rape, dropped during the pandemic, and continued to fall during the first few months of 2021. “Crime” is not surging. Even the broader category of “violent crime” only increased about 3% last year, according to the preliminary FBI data from a large subset of cities. It’s homicide in particular that has increased, even as other crimes fell.
Homicide rates were higher during every month of 2020 – even before pandemic-related shutdowns started in March, the analysis found. But there was also a “structural break” in the data in June, indicating “a large, statistically significant increase” in the homicide rate, around the same time as the mass protests that followed the murder of George Floyd.
A study from UC Davis will look to link the spike in gun purchases during the early months of the pandemic with a nearly 8% increase in gun violence from March through May, or 776 additional fatal and nonfatal shooting injuries nationwide. The researchers found that states that had lower levels of violent crime pre-Covid saw a stronger connection between additional gun purchases and more gun violence.
Community groups say that the pandemic forced them to shutter prevention programs, and created huge challenges for the work of violence interrupters, who rely on close relationships and in-person interventions with people at risk of shooting or being shot.
So it appears there are many factors that have led to the rise in homicides, starting back in 2020. But when the right claims it's historic, they seem to be oblivious to the 1990's and 1970's.
And here's a stat from this year: In the first quarter of 2021, homicides rose by 23% compared to last year. In the second quarter, they rose by just 10%. The rates for other major criminal offenses—includes robberies, residential burglaries, larceny, non-residential burglaries and drug offenses—have also declined compared to 2020."Chicago, which had seen homicides fall below 500 in the early 2010s, saw them jump to 770 in 2020, though not to its historic 1974 high of 970 homicides."
I don't think it's reasonable to compare figures from 1974 to those in 2020 and declare that 2020 was better so all is not bad. After 44 years of working on the problem we certainly should see a decrease - the comparison to 2010 is a much more realistic one.
I ran into this when researching for the article on gun violence: Australia confiscated all semi-automatic guns and look! Homicides went down! Unsaid is that it took over 10 years of falling at the same slow rate it already was before the gun buyback to see any real change in that rate. 10 years of effort, 10 years of additional programs, 10 years of a changing population demographics, but all of that is set aside in favor of "It worked!".
So it's not realistic, IMO, to compare something from the far past to today and ignore all the changes in decades of effort to correct a problem."I don't think it's reasonable to compare figures from 1974 to those in 2020 and declare that 2020 was better so all is not bad. " - WHY? Your side has successfully fought off most of the safety measures that were implemented back then. For example, the assault weapons ban Biden brought about saw a major decrease in mass killings only to increase again when your side allowed people to start buying them again.
"Homicides went down! Unsaid is that it took over 10 years of falling at the same slow rate it already was before the gun buyback to see any real change in that rate." - YOU will have to provide the link that backs that claim up for it to be believed.
"So it's not realistic, IMO, to compare something from the far past to today and ignore all the changes in decades of effort to correct a problem." - AND I repeat, your side made sure access to guns by almost anybody has not changed very much over the intervening years."WHY?"
If you didn't understand the explanation, or don't think that changes were made over that 45 year span, I don't what else to say.
Yes, access to guns has not changed radically over the years. Except that it is much harder to buy a gun, much more expensive, and the efforts continue to ban common hunting rifles. But whatever; the efforts to disarm the public does not, and will not, do anything to curb the violence inherent in our country. Until we actually address that we will not significantly reduce the death toll. As Australia found out; taking away all those "assault rifles" and murderers simply turned to other methods (the common match became popular). Same as they will here, regardless of how many times "your side" claims that without their preferred tool killers will no longer kill.
You don't think it reasonable, then tell your friends on the right to stop using the term historically bad when talking about the homicide rates. That was my argument, which, as usual, you fail to understand.
In Australia, the guns were taken to prevent mass shootings - which ceased immediately.As they did, for the most part, in America after the assault weapons ban. An no, Wilderness, people didn't find new ways to commit mass killings after their favorite took was taken away. Also, you can't get away from the fact that states with loose gun safety laws have higher death by gun rates. It is simply a fact.
Sorry, Eso, but you have again glossed over a really major point; that areas with the strongest gun laws (such as Chicago, NYC, etc.) have the highest homicide rate of all. Even the highest homicide by gun rate.
But shouldn't mention, that right?By city is too granular a level and the population base is too small. That is why you have to use state level data.
Besides, lets see where your example cites fall on the most deadly:
1, St, Louis, MO (easy gun laws)
2. Baltimore , MD (tough gun laws)
3. Birmingham, AL (easy gun laws)
4. Detroit, MI (easy gun laws)
5. Dayton, OH (easy gun laws)
6. Baton Rouge, LA (easy gun laws)
7. New Orleans, LA (easy gun laws)
8. Kansas City, MO (easy gun laws)
9. Memphis, TN (easy gun laws)
10. Cleveland, OH (easy gun laws)
Damn, your examples didn't even make the top ten deadliest cities. I wonder why. So where do they fall?
13. Washington D.C.(lots of straw sales from Virginia with easy gun laws)
That's it. NYC and Chicago, your favorite go-tos, don't even rank in the top 64!!
As you peruse this list you will see that virtually all of the most deadliest cities are in states with Easy Gun Laws - which shoots your theory all to hell.
So NO, " that areas with the strongest gun laws (such as Chicago, NYC, etc.) have the highest homicide rate of all. " is not even close to being true.
https://www.cbsnews.com/pictures/murder … -cities/3/
"In Australia, the guns were taken to prevent mass shootings - which ceased immediately."
I doubt that the dead, whether burned to death, poisoned or bludgeoned to death, care whether they were shot. Neither do the surviving families. Still, it IS a major talking point of the left; far better to die of arson than a bullet, so we have to disarm everyone."I doubt that the dead, whether burned to death, poisoned or bludgeoned to death, care whether they were shot." - Of course that is a red herring since it has nothing to do with whether the assault weapon by-back program reduced mass killings - which it did.
I guess it is possible that you are claiming that all of the people that didn't die by mass shootings all died by other means, lol.I researched the people dying from "massacres" (Aussie term for mass murder), comparing the 20 years prior to the gun buyback to the 20 years after. Did you?
(As I recall there were perhaps 2 more people dying AFTER the buyback than before. I think you can find figures in Wiki, but might have to go to the Aussie govt. sites.)You made me look - and this is what I found.
"In the two decades following the reforms, the annual rate of gun deaths fell from 2.9 per 100,000 in 1996 to 0.9 per 100,000 in 2016."
That is from https://theconversation.com/factcheck-q … alia-85836
That said, as it relates to statistical analysis done on the by-back program (as a stand-in for general gun reform during that period) is muddled. I would have to look at the analyses themselves to measure them against what I see in the first of the charts.
What I see here is a major fall off in gun related suicides and homicides in the two years following the beginning of the gun buy-back. After that, the declines appear to match the rate that was established prior to the buy-back. The article does not explain that initial drop. But, I can see from the charts why the subsequent analyses could be muddled.
I also notice within a couple of years after the program ended, the rate of death by gun decreased substantially. That was not addressed as well.
The article also mentions the Victoria case where that state implemented very strong gun-safety laws in 1988. The conclusion was "A 2004 study found “a significant downward trend” in firearm related deaths between 1988 and 1995 in Victoria compared with the rest of Australia. Following the National Firearms Agreement in 1996, “similar strong declines occurred in the rest of Australia”.
Of great interest to me is a 2010 study that was done across states, similar to the one published here. Like mine, it showed that -
The study found a “statistically significant decline in firearm deaths in states with higher firearm buyback rates”. There was a similar effect for firearm homicide rates, though this was less robust due to the small number of firearm homicide deaths to begin with.
That was the same result I got using the strength of U.S. state gun-safety laws rather than buy-backs.
And then there is the point Valeant made - not one mass shooting since the buyback program. Compared that to the USA where assault weapons are ubiquitous -
[i[But that record will probably fall in 2021. To date, the number of mass shootings in the country is 20 percent higher than where we were in 2020, which itself was 30 percent higher than the previous high.[/i]
This year’s incidents have also been deadlier than in 2020. Nearly 370 people have died in mass shootings in 2021, nearly 50 percent more than at the same point a year ago.
The country is averaging 109 deaths for every 100 incidents. At this point last year, every 100 mass shootings had yielded 85 deaths.
In the 7 months since the beginning of the year, there have 411 mass shootings. That is an average of 58.7 per month - compared to zero in Australia."In the two decades following the reforms, the annual rate of gun deaths fell from 2.9 per 100,000 in 1996 to 0.9 per 100,000 in 2016."
As is almost inevitable when discussing gun control with those wishing to disarm the country, they switch from "deaths" to "gun deaths". However, the question remains the same; did the homicide rate go down when Australia took the guns away, and the answer is a resounding NO, whether talking of mass murders (the topic you say they solved) or single murders (it fell, but at the same rate it had been at for years). Once more, neither the victim nor the survivors care one iota whether the corpse has a bullet hole, burns or even a lethal poison; what matters is that they were murdered, and Australia accomplished absolutely nothing towards limiting the murder rate. Only the rate at which bodies were found with bullet holes.
So go back and look again, this time at the homicide rate, not at the gun homicide rate. Then look at what it was doing the previous few years, and the following few years. Consider that the entire buyback was accomplished in one year and ask yourself why the decrease in homicide rate did not speed up. Ask why it took a decade to see anything but the same steady, slow decrease that was seen before the buyback."As is almost inevitable when discussing gun control with those wishing to disarm the country, they switch from "deaths" to "gun deaths"." - IT IS YOU is switching things. The topic WAS deaths from guns. That is why they did what they did.
Which gets to this comment - you obviously didn't read what I wrote.
"A study from UC Davis will look to link the spike in gun purchases during the early months of the pandemic with a nearly 8% increase in gun violence from March through May, or 776 additional fatal and nonfatal shooting injuries nationwide." - MY RESEARCH, which I published here, shows a definite correlation between loose gun safety laws and the number of people killed by guns.
I don't know if the data is available yet (the gun lobby tries to suppress it) by I would be interested to know the distribution of recent gun sales by state as comparted to 1) the laxness of the gun safety laws and 2) the change in death rate by gun.
"Unemployment is 5.4% in July, down from 10.2% a year ago and 6.3% when he took over, It is below the historic average."
You forgot to mention that it is still well above what Trump produced.And I didn't mention that it was above Obama's final numbers either.
And everybody forgets that Trump's final numbers were just a continuation of what Obama started. He didn't increase the rate of decline established by Obama. At the end, btw, the decreases stopped.. And then came Covid,
The point was that even in the midst of a pandemic, Biden has brought unemployment to below the historic average.
BTW, studies now show that all the Red states did by cutting of unemployment early was hurt their citizens. There was no statistical difference in unemployment between states the cut the funding and those that didn't."And everybody forgets that Trump's final numbers were just a continuation of what Obama started."
And Biden's are just a continuation of what Trump had, too!
Actually that is not true since Trump handed Biden a pandemic much worse than it should have been.
Obama handed Trump a strong, stable economy.
Now that I mention it:
Eisenhower handed Kennedy a poor economy
Johnson handed Nixon a war and an OK economy
Nixon-Ford handed Carter a poor economy
Carter handed Reagan an unstable economy
Bush handed Clinton a recession
Clinton handed Bush decreasing debt and a strong, but no longer growing economy
Bush handed Obama the Great 2008 Recession
Obama hand Trump a strong stable economy
Trump handed Biden a pandemic much worse than it ought to have been.
Can you see a pattern there??
I think we should look at the big picture of the moment.
Joe Biden... obvious cognitive decline has set in, he was clearly under duress and unable to handle the crisis (media, decision making) in Afghanistan.
Kamala Harris... incompetent and incapable of handling as simple a task as traveling to Guatemala and Mexico without turning it into a fiasco.
And sitting behind the two of them, in the number three spot, is Nancy Pelosi.
Never in the history of America, has the country had such inept, incogitative leadership.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D4LiLjHawUsIf those three are "leadership" I'm Santa Claus!
While the characterization of Biden is obviously false, you did fail to mention the King of the inept - Donald Trump and his very corrupt administration. His makes Grant's administration look absolutely law-abiding. At least he got to be King of Inept since he failed to become America's first king.
Esoteric, you should not be so hard on US Grant , a military genius, a man of great character who simply was not as effective as a President or administrator.
Grant did not recognize the unscrupulous in his midst during his administration while Trump was part and parcel of the very thing that Grant merely could not recognize.
Grant was a man of honor and character, that is not Trump.
There is no comparable precedent for a Donald Trump at any time during the history of the presidency.
He was the worst of the worst, adding malevolence to his ineffectiveness. He is the only former president that has absolutely nothing to redeem him in the eyes of history.
So, go easy on President Grant, he deserves better than to be compared with a man like Donald Trump.....
I would consider Andrew Johnson as a "distant" second, though.Actually, I was talking about his administration, not Grant personally. What I have read about him in history shows him to be an honorable and capable man. But, he was a terrible at hiring honest men to work for him.
If I were to rank presidents, I would put Trump next to last and Johnson dead last, at least in terms of doing harm to the country. Johnson undid virtually everything Lincoln achieved in trying to bring America together.
It took 100 years to undo the damage Johnson did to racial equality. And ever since 1964, conservatives have been trying to get back to 1884.
Exactly, I second that, saying if this is "leadership", I am a trillionaire.
AND With "Joe Biden... obvious cognitive decline has set in," - any sensible person stops reading because what is to follow will be equally non-sensical.
Yes truth and reality are something many in America hide from.
It has become an art form for many older Americans."Yes truth and reality are something many in America hide from." - You are definitely right - they are called Trumpers.
If that is what you are calling yourself these days, so be it.
That is you, not me - I deal in reality and truth - something Trumpers disdain.
Really??? Anyone who believes that Biden is doing great things for this country isn't living in reality. Biden has created fiasco ad infinitum since he took office. Biden has.....got TO GO.
From you perspective I can see how you think that. If BIden can't screw up America as bad as Trump did, then he isn't doing the job you want him to do. You want to bring back the dictator and anti-American troll.
Afghanistan - withdrawal created in 2020
Inflation - 30% of all US currency printed in a single year, 2020. Goods cease to be produced due to horrible response to pandemic, demand exists now that economy is open
Murder - Started rising in June 2020 after the George Floyd incident
Border - Same numbers as 2019 when you count the 38% who retry to enter after just being turned away by Title 42 that was created in, you guessed it, 2020. Not created, just a continuation.
The case can easily be made that all of these things you call fiasco ad infinitum were created prior to 2021 and Biden is tasked with cleaning up after they were caused. The person who created all this had to go, and 81 million of us took care of that.You can make those excuses for Biden.
Or you can accept the reality that this is the most corrupt and incompetent Administration in our Nation's history, and sadly this can be seen before we even hit the one year mark.
It only gets worse from here with Biden running the country. Time will prove this out in abundance."Or you can accept the reality that this is the most corrupt and incompetent Administration in our Nation's history, " - YES, you are right for a change, Trump's administration was the most corrupt in our history with record numbers being indicted and going to jail. Thanks for pointing that out.
And YES, Trump made it much easier for Biden to make a bad decision to withdraw for sure.
Even though Trump was going to leave our Afghan allies to perish at the hands of the Taliban (just like he did with our Kurdish allies at the hands of the Turks), I will admit Biden bears 100% of the responsibility of HOW he conducted the withdrawal.
At the very least, Biden could have put the 6,000 troops back into Afghanistan that Trump stupidly took out and then conducted the kind of withdrawal and evacuation he finally got around to doing in the last week or so. In my scenario, the Taliban wouldn't be in control yet.
Better yet, Trump could have included the Afghan gov't in his cave-in to the Taliban plan and not undermined them. (Soon after Trump signed that agreement is when the Afghan army started dissipating and the Taliban began making great gains.)Who is making excuses? I am simply noting when these problems began since the claim was they just started.
Murder rates have dropped, unemployment rates have dropped, the death rate from Covid has dropped, no Americans have been killed by the Taliban in the Afghanistan withdrawal, Stock market is near all time highs, a bipartisan infrastructure deal has been passed, stimulus was passed in half the time it took the previous administration.
If all of that is incompetence, perhaps there is just a misunderstanding about the definition of the word. I would say siding with the country that attacked our democracy or inciting an insurrection against your own government sets the bar much higher for a claim of the 'most corrupt administration in our nation's history.'
The only thing getting worse is the far-right's distance from actual reality.I would have put a period after "... far-right".
AMEN, the Democratic Party is devolving into the toilet. The Democratic Party is quite laughable now. It is a party going towards its destruction Ken.
And what do you have to say about the Republican Party that has almost totally disappeared having been sucked into lies and conspiracy theories?
Biden’s 17 GREATEST Achievements So Far!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Eq_wELID80cSince you said nothing, you must be very embarrassed about the dismal failure of the Republican party to act responsibly and for participating in a twice impeached, single-term, disgraced, mentally ill Trump's Big Lie that is destabilizing, if not destroying, American democracy.
Saw it. Couldn't have said it better. Biden is a fiasco. Biden is the second Obumler. In fact, he is 100X worse than Obama. Whoever voted for Biden is a stone cold------------------(you name the word). It proves how ----------the American people clearly are.
Stone cold....patriot. It proves how...able to see through a lying grifter...the American people clearly are.
When you look at the long term trajectory of the Nation, its policies, its politics it is an almost seamless arc from Bush to Clinton to Bush to Obama.
Things did get rocky with Obama, this is true, ramming the Affordable Care Act through when initial polls showed over 70% of all Americans did not want it and over 80% did not trust Congress to do the right thing.
It never got better after that... his political capital was essentially spent on the ACA and a couple gaffes like telling Republicans "They can come for the ride, but they gotta sit in back."
A little arrogance goes a long way toward riling up the opposition's base... just look at how good Trump was at riling up people, there are literally millions of Americans with very real mental health issues that may never recover... they will go to their graves with Trump on their brains.
Got off track, the point is the Nation moved forward with things like NAFTA, China's 'favored nation' status, Middle East wars, almost as if there was NO change in Presidents... until Trump.
Trump put a stop to China's Free Ride, he re-did NAFTA, he pulled back from further military actions in the Middle East, he pulled out of the bad-for-Americans Paris Accord and Global Compact on Migration.
Trump was DIFFERENT... Trump put the Nation ahead of others, be they the UN, China, NATO, etc.
And now... in place of Trump... we have a Mentally Deteriorating Puppet President backed up by a completely incompetent and incapable VP running the nation. The whole world knows it... everyone knows it... except the devotedly loyal "Leftists" that refuse to see.Twice impeached, one-term, failed, and mentally ill Trump NEVER put anything, let alone the Nation, ahead of himself. And that is a FACT. And those that fall for him are no better than the Brown Shirts that followed an earlier mentally ill, self-obsessed dictator on which Trump patterned himself.
Exactly.
NAFTA changes were very minor. His tariffs with China simply decimated the US agricultural market as China went elsewhere for their products.
While pulling out of the middle east was a positive, he literally abandoned our Kurdish allies and then excluded the Afghan government from negotiations with the Taliban - sending a message that the US could no longer be counted on in future endeavors as both allies were summarily crushed.
He didn't put the US ahead of others, he withdrew American influence internationally, while making us a laughingstock in the eyes of other world leaders. One who was a puppet to his own business interests in Turkey, the Middle East, and Russia.Yes, yes, clearly those Trump supporters were marching street to street, pulling people out of their houses, burning businesses... oh wait, those things were happening in 2020, but it wasn't Trump supporters doing it.
I love how when you are slapped in the face with some reality in these forums, you revert to rambling on about Trump, Trumpsters, etc.
Trump is no longer the focus... he was mentioned in that post merely to show the road we took to get where we are today.
Defending Biden now, is no better than defending Trump in 2020.
I did not defend Trump in 2020, he made a series of decisions that were not ideal for America, and he did not handle the Pandemic very well... not that he had any support from the media or DC insiders.
But Trump has nothing to do with Biden's mental deterioration today... Trump has nothing to do with Harris being completely incompetent and unfit for the position of VP... let alone, heaven help the world if it happens, the Presidency.
Just because it was time to move on from Trump... does not make Biden a good option or a good President.
Someone with some honesty and objectivity can say that it was time to move on from Trump... but moving on to Biden was a horrible choice that the country is going to pay dearly for.Slapped in the face with reality? More like slapped with a failure to understand how Trump went about dismantling the United States government and undermining the rule of law.
Now we have a government using its resources to follow the science of Covid, even as many resist clearly effective measures to curb the pandemic. A government that can actually pass bipartisan items that address the needs of the country such as infrastructure.
If moving on to another Democratic presidency, after seeing record job growth during the last one, seems like a horrible choice, I'll make that choice every time.LOL Trump produces the lowest unemployment in decades, and the lowest black unemployment ever and it's at best it was "Well, it's because of Obama's efforts to hamstring business that we have so many jobs". For the most part, though it wasn't mentioned at all - keep it quiet lest people figure out that Trump actually DID something for the country.
Now we allow tens of thousands of business to re-open after forcibly closing them for a year and shout to the heavens of the record job growth Biden produced because people went back to work.
It's comical. It really is.Trump 'produced?' He took office with an unemployment rate of 4.2%. Obama produced him to all but .7% of that low of 3.5% after starting at 10% when he inherited Bush's cratering economy. Trump's tax cut for businesses likely got the extra .7%, at the expense of raising the national debt as those tax increases did not pay for themselves as promised. So a .2% drop per year average, paid for with borrowed money, before seeing it rise to 14.8% in April of 2020, an eleven point increase due to pretending that Covid did not exist.
Another misunderstanding of what I said. What a shocker. I was speaking of the record job growth the country saw during Obama's term (you know, as I said during the last Democratic presidency), then compared to the net negative job creation Trump had due to his complete mismanagement of Covid. Not to mention Obama's job numbers had already been proven to be better than Trump's in the three years prior to Covid. Your failure to be able to understand that point is the comical part. It really is. That Democratic policies have tended to lead to better job growth.That's what I said; the lowest black unemployment in the history of the nation was due to Obama's actions in hampering businesses - never to Trump's efforts.
You make my point for me, while managing to blame Trump for COVID at the same time. It really is comical.Comical is the ability to give sole credit to the white guy who lowered black unemployment by just 2%, while ignoring and discounting the efforts of the black guy who lowered it 9.3%. It takes a special kind of comic to do that.
I suspect in his fantasy world, 2% is greater than 9.3%. That is the only way his logic can work.
BTW, Obtuse is saying you said Trump was responsible for Covid while the TRUTH is you said Trump was responsible for "Mismanaging" it (and making it worse than it should have been). It seems that little differences like that are beyond Trump supporters understanding.
Obtuse - Trump supporters are the definition of Obtuse.
You have to realize, some people you debate with are fully vested in a particular ideology (Political Party).
These people only take their information from biased "news" outlets and agencies that fully support their beliefs (Political Party).
They denigrate anyone that tries to bring up other information, no matter what its sources, or if they can't, because those facts are too solid, they revert to name calling and labeling the individual(s) providing the information.
You cannot change their minds, you cannot win the debate... people like this aren't necessarily delusional (though some clearly are) but they are so vested into their ideology, it is part of who they are, they don't just identify with it, they identify as it... quite literally akin to how religious fanatics think.
It takes a certain type of mind to believe, for example, that when you die in an effort to kill others you will go to heaven and be rewarded with 72 virgins.
For those of us dealing with reality, we know a few things... such as being "rewarded" with 72 virgins may not be that pleasant, this is likely something only a virgin man could think is a good thing... those of us who have had a few relationships or marriage in life, probably aren't too keen on the idea of having 72.
Anyway, what I am trying to relate to you is that there are certain people in these forums with a perspective that has no compromise, they will not consider facts presented with a critical eye toward their own beliefs.
They are here merely to attack and disparage any other fact, opinion, or belief counter to their own... much like someone who is fanatical enough to fight for a belief that promises them 72 virgins.Some think that everyone but them get their information only from mainstream media. Meanwhile, we're over here quoting official Bureau of Labor Stats to prove our cases.
While not in a political party, they clearly relish the downfall of the American government, and why they support someone who was successful at undermining the rule of law and the Intelligence services of the United States.Hey, the right-wing Trump supporters don't believe official Bureau of Labor stats. They would rather believe Rush Limbaugh speaking from the grave.
I will give the benefit of the doubt and say they are the unwitting pawns of Russian propaganda - but pawns they are. They see a Putin Propaganda Post and amplify it ad infinitum.You and Val should become Biden's new advisors, he could use the help.
The positive way you view what is unfolding under Biden is commendable.I'm just here to make sure you, Mike, and Sharlee don't get arrested for assaulting police officers at the Capitol in 2022 based on a bunch of lies that someone tried to use all the way back in 2016 and were already proven false. Who would sell me the real estate down in Florida when I retire if that were to happen?
I guess Ken hasn't read what we wrote and is just gaslighting again.
It's pretty clear that Ken not only read your comments but offered very pertinent replies. It's also clear he has researched his thoughts. Very hard to debate someone that possesses such an innate intelligence. Glad to say I always respect the knowledge he offers in his comments.
You wanna know what continues to annoy me about right wing types?
You are quick to give Biden ALL the blame for the evacuation problems in Afghanistan, yet in an improving economic environment, Trump deserves ALL the credit?
Trump: a soiled angel who can never do wrong?Probably because liberals have done nothing in decades to improve the economic environment. Increasing taxes, hobbling business with rules, driving American business offshore...such things do not improve the economic environment, but it's all liberals can come up with.
At least it's all they can come up with of a lasting nature. We can always improve the economy, short term, by printing a bunch more money and giving it away. Liberals ARE happy to do that, but only fools think it is a viable solution for long term economic growth.That's what you say, Wilderness, I don't agree with that and definitely don't buy it. I am not going to let you have it both ways, without your being called out on it.
Fair enough - I realize and accept that you have very socialistic leanings and (mostly) approve of handing money out. I disagree with that, of course, and that's shown in my post.
I WILL grant you that liberals have (mostly) been the driving force in equality for everyone...but I will also state that they have gone overboard even in that worthy endeavor.Better going overboard than the conservative penchant for taking peoples liberties away (or not letting them have the liberties in the first place) from all but the favored class, which in America is white, Protestant males. In the conservative world, all but that favored group are second class citizens looked down upon by the Christian god.
I see you are silent on the proof I offered showing Republicans do a terrible job at economics. Always have and always will."I WILL grant you that liberals have (mostly) been the driving force in equality for everyone."
I believe that is the very essence of our existence as a society. Without this, America and the ideals it was to be founded upon is nothing more than a sham.
If there is to be excess, I certainly know from which direction that I would prefer to have it come.
I "handed out" over 2 trillion dollars in Afghanistan, what do I have to show for it?They gave up on Equality of Opportunity a long time ago... mostly because it had been attained so they moved on to Equity for all... which is far different and wrong for a world where most people are still working hard for everything they get.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jnOUFS3lUpE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bIGr-mdjPZg"mostly because it (equality) had been attained" - it has been attained only in the eyes of conservatives. To the rest of the world, America is still a pretty racist nation - because of those same conservatives.
I guess Wilderness hasn't learned anything through these forums if he makes a false statement like "Probably because liberals have done nothing in decades to improve the economic environment."
The FACT is, ever since FDR, the so-called "liberals" have produced better economies than Republican administrations, whether they be moderates like Eisenhower or idiots like Trump.
By almost any measure you want to take, since 1935 Democrats have far outperformed Republicans economics. Even the 1937 recession was due to applying conservative economic theory to the recovery from the Great Depression.
Prior to and including the Great Depression, there was basically no "liberal" economics other than the many decades fight over a central bank. As a result of following conservative economic theory, America found itself bouncing from one massive recession, depression, or panic to another. Something like 1 big one every 5 - 7 years.
Once liberal economics became a thing starting in the late 1940s, America experience ZERO big economic downturns until the Republican Great 2008 Recession and then the Pandemic Recession of 2020 (which Trump made worse).
I'll repeat something I posted here a few days ago.
Eisenhower (R) left Kennedy (D) a recession
Nixon-Ford (R) left Carter (D) a recession
Bush 1(R) left Clinton (D) a recession
Bush 2 (R) almost left Obama (D) a Depression
Trump (R) left Biden (D) a recession.
With the possible exception of Carter (if you stretch the timeline a bit) NO Democrat left a Republican a recession. Isn't that amazing?
Then there is this on jobs - Democrats have consistently outperformed Republicans on creating jobs.
Oh yes, how about this.
Kennedy-Johnson: Longest economic expansion on record up to that point
Clinton: Longest economic expansion on record up to that point PLUS a decline in federal debt
Obama: Longest economic expansion on record up the that point, even before Trump took office and continued Obama's economy until 2020
Now, Wilderness, do you want to still make the false statement that "Probably because liberals have done nothing in decades to improve the economic environment. "?The 1950s was one of the most economically prosperous times in America dear man. Stop drinking that kool aid, man. I told you to stop living in Ozland.
More gaslighting. It was the 1960s that was the most prosperous up until that time.
If the 1950s were so prosperous then explain the 2.6%, 3.7% and 1.6% contractions that occurred during those 10 years before Kennedy assumed office.
What I drink is the TRUTH, while your side drinks gallons of Kool Aid. Saying we do is just projecting your problems on to those who live in a world of FACTS.
We are looking at two different subjects, are we not. Yes, it appears in regard to the two subjects I have piled on Biden.
My reasoning on both --- Biden is the president at this point, he is responsible for decisions in regard to this present crisis in Afghanistan. I can see this morning the White House has claimed Biden listened to them. So, at this point, I will need to wait and see if that is true. Although it seems very unlikely that the Military would have given such poor advice. But I have faith an investigation will take place, and in the end, we will be provided facts.
My comments in regard to the economy are just my opinion. I have made it no secret that I felt the Trump economy would just resurface once we reopened from the lockdowns. I have not found any real proof that Biden has created any new Jobs. Or take any steps to make the economy better. We have people returning to the jobs they had when the lockdown occurred. I feel Trump had a good economy before the pandemic, and feel it is for lack of a better word --- awakening. plain and simple. Biden has just not as of yet done anything that could be attributed to the current economy IMO.
I don't make it a habit to defend Trump if I feel he is wrong.
However, I appreciated his job performance, I felt him a good problem solver, I personally felt very safe under Trump. I can honestly say, I do not feel safe under Biden, I feel he is incapable of problem-solving, and in my view, his job performance is the worst I have ever witnessed in my lifetime.
I realize we differ in our opinions. I certainly am not hell-bent on putting mine above yours. I have no problem being referred to
for leaning right I must share that I have noted some that lean left has the habit of not debating but assuming and assigning thoughts to us on the right.He has been in office for 8 months and yet he is subject to such condemnation?
There is no way that a policy, engagement in Afghanistan, in practice for over 20 years, when it fails can be blamed exclusively on any one administration.
Was President Ford responsible for the Vietnam War because he presided over the fall of Saigon?
Obama had a good economy before Trump took over, does he get any credit?In my view Biden invites condemnation. He has on numerous occasions stated when asked a question stated -- "I will get in trouble if I answer that". He repeatedly blames others for his mistakes and offers mistruths. These qualities IMO present weakness and can lead to mistrust.
Yes, he has been in office for a short time, and in that short time has due to his own actions created many serious problems. For example, the border crisis that to this day is just out of control, and his ineptness in solving this problem has caused not only short-term problems but will cause long-term problems for America and American's. I need not list the many mistakes that his poor decisions have led to in the current Afganastan issue. This is my view is inexcusable and he needs to either step down or be removed. He is incapable of doing the job of a
president.
I do not blame Biden for the previous president's decisions or the war in Afghanistan --- I blame him for the decisions he put forth in a very illogical plan to pull out of Afghanistan. I can't imagine how doing it all in a reverse fashion could have worked... More and more has been coming out on how he ignored military advisers, dismantled a committee that was working on the evacuation plan in June. that Trump had put together to work on the problems that could occur during the evacuation. Biden has proven time and time again, that he is in my view vindictive, this has become a visible problem on many occasions.
I think I offered the proper amount of credit in regard to the economy under Obama. To be fair I think one needs to look at the charts.
Food stamps
Economic growth (GDP)
Household income
U.S. government debt
Gas prices
Home prices
The stats in much of the case speak for themself. I think my calling the Obama economy flat until 2014 was kind.After the Republican caused meltdown of 2008, Obama did a good job bringing the economy back and Trump takes all the credit as he usually does for the efforts of others.
No... I did not cover the previous administration or the one before it... The one that really was very much responsible for the "great recession". which was pasted along to Bush. Bush also had a very flat economy with little improvement, he pasted it on to Obama. We were discussing Obama's economy, I felt he did have some success by the time he was leaving office.
Clinton push to issue home loans to lower-income borrowers, Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac made a common practice to virtually end credit documentation, low credit scores were disregarded, and income and job history were also thrown aside. He caused a great bubble that burst and landed right on Bush.
I do think Trump's economy was good, he instilled consumer confidence, offered up tax breaks to many, and his work to provide jobs paid off. It would appear the Trump economy is somewhat returning. However, I predict Biden's agenda will dampen consumer spending, lead to a decrease in jobs, and we will see no job growth in the years to come. Right now the jobs numbers are just people returning to work. Give it a year.
Consumer confidence under Bush, Obama, and Trump --- Note that in 2014 under Obama consumer confidence started to get better, as in most of the Obama stats do. I can't say, Obama had a robust economy, he had a very flat slow growth at best. I was impressed with Obama and voted for his first time around, I have always respected him as a human being. I found him to have many wonderful qualities. However, I was just not impressed with his job performance, and could not vote for him the second time around. I sat out that election.
"or the one before it... The one that really was very much responsible for the "great recession". which was pasted along to Bush. " - AND HOW did you come up with that amazing conclusion. A couple of points to consider - 1) Clinton had the longest expansion until Obama and 2) Clinton passed the baton in 2001, the Great Republican Recession started in 2008.
"Bush also had a very flat economy with little improvement, he pasted it on to Obama. " - AGAIN, amazing. Bush's economy was not flat, it began with a recession and then cratered in his last two years.
"Clinton push to issue home loans to lower-income borrowers, Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac made a common practice to virtually end credit documentation, low credit scores were disregarded, and income and job history were also thrown aside. " - SORRY, that is totally false and this conservative myth was totally debunked by the Financial Crisis Inquiry Report. https://www.govinfo.gov/content/pkg/GPO … O-FCIC.pdf of which I read every page.
"I do think Trump's economy was good," - AGREED
"he instilled consumer confidence," - IT STARTED declining in June 2018
"offered up tax breaks to many," - NO, to a few rich people and companies.The one that really was very much responsible for the "great recession". which was pasted along to Bush. " - AND HOW did you come up with that amazing conclusion.
How did I come up with that conclusion ----- Clinton's push to issue home loans to lower-income borrowers, Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac made a common practice to virtually end credit documentation, low credit scores were disregarded, and income and job history were also thrown aside. He caused a great bubble that burst and landed right on Bush.
Bush never really got a handle on the mess that occurred from Clinton's Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac mess. He certainly could be faulted for that.
The Bush economy was plummetted in his first years and had a slight resurgence then dipped towards the end of his time in office.
https://hubpages.com/politics/forum/352 … t?page=35#
The charts tell-all --The one that really was very much responsible for the "great recession". which was pasted along to Bush. " - AND HOW did you come up with that amazing conclusion.
How did I come up with that conclusion ----- Clinton's push to issue home loans to lower-income borrowers, Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac made a common practice to virtually end credit documentation, low credit scores were disregarded, and income and job history were also thrown aside. He caused a great bubble that burst and landed right on Bush.
Bush never really got a handle on the mess that occurred from Clinton's Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac mess. He certainly could be faulted for that.
The Bush economy was plummetted in his first years and had a slight resurgence then dipped towards the end of his time in office.
The charts tell-all --
""I will get in trouble if I answer that". He repeatedly blames others for his mistakes and offers mistruths. " - There you go again with the Projections. That is EXACTLY what Trump did and does.
"caused not only short-term problems but will cause long-term problems for America and American's. " - WHAT problems? I don't really see any significant problems beyond having to deal with the massive number of people trying to escape crime and oppression in their own countries.
"More and more has been coming out on how he ignored military advisers, dismantled a committee that was working on the evacuation plan in June. that Trump had put together to work on the problems that could occur during the evacuation." - DEBUNKED. Once again that committee was 1) never formed and 2) was redundant with other work going on at the time.
"Biden has proven time and time again, that he is in my view vindictive, " - Again, Projection. Trump is the vindictive one, in spades.
1. Your wage chart is almost a fair representation. That bump up at the end results from all the low paid workers losing their jobs. You can also see that wage growth was declining in the last years of Trump.
But the chart has drawbacks. It measures wage growth year-over-year. It doesn't measure growth over a period of years. If you look at it that way (and stop at the end of 2019) you get this:
- Obama 2009 through 2014 - Basically Flat
- Obama 2015 through 2016 - 1.4%
- Trump 2017 thought 2019 - 0.9%
(based on constant dollar average wages - All Employees)
2. Black Unemployment Chart - I notice that decrease in unemployment began levelling out with Trump. I don't put that on him, however, because there has to be an end to the decline.
The rest of the charts stop in 2016 or 2017.I looked for charts that offered the Obama economy, that's what we were discussing. The charts in some cases did show the Obama economy improving. I was being very fair, but the charts indicate for much of his time an up and down flat economy until 2014, he then showed some significant improvements.
In regard to the problem at the border -- IMO it certainly could lead to various problems in the future. I feel many are not vetted, many are never even apprehended and are just here illegally, I feel drugs are coming in at an increased rate, I truly feel taxpayers will have an increased burden due to this great influx of migrants. And I think we could see a rise in crime.
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/fentanyl-s … migration/"I looked for charts that offered the Obama economy, that's what we were discussing. " - Point taken.
I jump in to occasionally disrupt their echo-chamber existence, but I don't debate them anymore than I would debate with a rock wall.
Thank you for the support.Do you mean this example of "innate intelligence"? "You and Val should become Biden's new advisors, he could use the help.
The positive way you view what is unfolding under Biden is commendable."
OR
Do you mean this piece of well-researched gaslighting - "Yes, yes, clearly those Trump supporters were marching street to street, pulling people out of their houses, burning businesses... oh wait, those things were happening in 2020, but it wasn't Trump supporters doing it."?
I did not dispute the stats in any respect. Just a fact Biden created no new jobs, and the numbers we are seeing at this point are Trump's economy, jobs he created, people coming back to those very jobs. Not sure you provided any numbers or proof of NEW JOBS CREATED. These numbers are just people that are going back to work... Sorry
And my point was still that the jobs numbers were better under Obama's policies than under Trump's. What you all say is the greatest economy wasn't even better than Obama's, from a jobs standpoint. You're just spouting propaganda not based in reality.
That reply wasn't really to you anyway, if you had been following this thread. Nor have I attributed any jobs numbers to Biden at all - just noting a general unemployment rate decrease as a positive currently going on in this country - despite all right-wing hysteria that the sky is falling."Just a fact Biden created no new jobs" - I don't understand why you are using that as a measure other than to create a negative. Biden's measure of success is getting those who lost their jobs back to work. And by that measure, he is doing just great.
Your "new jobs" is just a red herring for the time being. That will come when the infrastructure bills are passed.
I know you will never agree, but I have to put your claim into context. "are Trump's economy, jobs he created," which was built on the good economy that Obama built who created even more jobs than Trump did. Now THAT is complete context.
The TRUTH is Trump did no better or worse than Obama. Trump maintained the status quo other than a few negatives like:
- increasing the national debt tremendously with his tax give-a-way (at least Obama can blame his debt increase on something meaningful - stopping a depression),
- bankrupting so many of our farmers in his failed attempt to increase exports (he drove the net Export even more negative),
- His failure to contain the pandemic making a bad economic situation even worse.Biden deserves no credit for people returning to their jobs after the pandemic. People are returning do to their jobs have been held, and now that it is safe many are returning... Many have run out of unemployment, and are forced to return to work. New jobs are IMO that indicates a growing economy, not just one that was dormant due to a pandemic. and return to what it was prior to a pandemic.
I have not in any respect downplayed Obama's economy, I believe the only thing I have said is that most of his 8 years it was flat until 2015.
You must be kidding the national debt Biden is creating will be history breaking. Biden's hopes to spend on socialistic programs. I do not support his agenda in any respect.
I have listed all of the solutions Trump took to help us through the Pandemic.
Travel Ban while many Dems in Washington were against it --- Pelosi dancing in China Town asking all to come on down for dinner...
Quickly provide a task force with daily briefings
Provided Vent by getting the auto industries to build vents, supplied hospitals with all the supplies they needed, had the military build large venues into Hospitals.
OWS --- which leads to multiple vaccines in record time.
I could not be more proud of a president in regard to how he handled the pandemic. All while the Dems concentrated on an impeachment. It's a shame you don't comprehend all that Trump did during this horrible crisis.
No one man could have done a better job..."It's a shame you don't comprehend all that Trump did during this horrible crisis." - You certainly can have your opinion, but it would be nice if it were based on reality. We have shown you a hundred different ways Trump failed regarding the pandemic.
You, on the other hand, can only point to only one thing - his giving the go-ahead for OWS. Further, there is no doubt in my mind that had Clinton been president, the vaccines would have been developed in the same amount of time AND there would be 3 or 4 hundred thousand Americans alive now that died because of Trump.
Why do I say that?
- Because Clinton would have told America the truth about the pandemic
- Because Clinton would have pushed mask wearing instead of opposing it like Trump did
- Because Clinton would have pushed social distancing instead of opposing it like Trump did
- Because Clinton would have increased testing and contact tracing rather than complain that testing causes Covid like Trump did.
- Because Clinton would probably have opposed opening up America before it was time
- Because Clinton would have listened to the science rather than oppose it like Trump did.
And those are just a few of the reasons.
Had Trump done those things, we wouldn't be having this discussion.I find all your affirmations about what Clinton would have done non-sensical. We have no way of knowing what she would have done.
Trump was truthful with information as it was provided. The pandemic was and still is challenging due to not having all the information about its origin.
Trump's task force in the beginning advice against masks, as they knew more about the virus they recommended masks. He provided experts to advise Americans' in regards to mitigations I never heard Trump speak against any of the mitigations.
Actually, Trump is responsible for saving millions of lives across the world.Please elaborate. How did he save Millions of lives across the world. I feel like I am missing out on sarcasm somewhere.
In my view, Trump provided the vaccines so many countries have used, and are using to vaccinate their citizens. In my opinion, he not only was quick to obtaining contracts with Pharmasutacle companies to research and provide vaccines --- the US paid for it... Which did certainly benefit other countries in having the ability to use the multiple vaccines available to them.
In my view, these vaccines have saved millions of lives across the world.Ok fair enough. But I think any other sitting president unless they were insane would have done the same. Trump can be acknowledged for what he did here, but to usher praise for something that should be a part of the job is a bit too much.
But Did Anyone Else Do It? It seems easy to say they would have, but did they in reality? You seem to look at one end of the equation, but maybe not far enough with logic.
I must ask -- did any other countries have a jump on Trump, in regards to setting a plan to obtain vaccines? Did England, France, Germany? I note they did handle the pandemic well but did they get the pharmaceutical companies to quickly get to work on the vaccines, did they give money to the majority of those companies to speed up research?
I really feel Trump is getting a bad deal on his handling of the pandemic. I think the media beat him up every turn, mostly not on deeds but mere words... And so many bought into it. Makes one really wonder about where society is headed in regards to intelligence. Do words really outweigh deeds?
Oh well.I do not really speak without having info on a particular topic. Yes, many countries offered funding for vaccine research. India also did it and that is under the current government the worst in Indian history.
Also, Pfizer got its funding from Germany and not Washington https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles … washington I did not mention this earlier because this just happened to be the winner in the sense that they got a vaccine that worked. There was a lot of funding going around from multiple countries and to multiple research institutes and companies.
So no, Trump does not deserve praise for doing something that any sitting president would have done. Give him praise for any special programs he started or supported, not for doing the basics that his job entails.Oh and I want to add. Most countries did not boast about vaccine funding as much as the US did. I see a parallel:
In India the current government publicizes every single thing which makes a big part of the general population wonder what previous governments have done when in fact the previous governments had done a lot more and a lot better, just that they never decided to advertise every single thing they did.
I think with the current political scenario in the US funding for vaccines was kind of advertised to use as political ammo. The last paragraphs of the article from Bloomberg made me join these dots, maybe it's as simple ass that or maybe not. Just something that kind of hit me at the moment.
"I find all your affirmations about what Clinton would have done non-sensical. We have no way of knowing what she would have done." - THEN you have obviously not followed the 40 years of information available about Clinton and how she thinks and acts.
Just like we have just as many years to know how terrible Trump would be as president.
Maybe you didn't hear it, but the rest of America heard, in his own words, say that he purposefully played down the pandemic.
I have already presented to you many statements from him decrying the wearing of masks and social distancing.
"Advising against masks" is just another gaslighting example. First, the "Task Force" always recommended masks. And you take what Fauci said totally out of context and twist, or leave out, many of his words to make a partisan point.
Trump spoke out A LOT about ending the lockdown way before it was safe to do so."THEN you have obviously not followed the 40 years of information available about Clinton and how she thinks and acts."
I am aware of documented information on what she did throughout her time in Washington. I am also aware of all the scandals that followed her, and her involvement in many grifts, and her Benghazi mess.
As I said I never witnessed Trump saying anything that did not fit the information he was given at a period of time. In the beginning, many in Washington were playing down the virus. he was quick to act after one case was recovered in the US.
Trump did disagree with a long lockdown, this we can agree.
"I have not in any respect downplayed Obama's economy, I believe the only thing I have said is that most of his 8 years it was flat until 2015." - SHARLEE, as I have pointed out before, the facts do not bear this statement out. In virtually every quarter, there was growth. And for ALL years, there was growth. It may not have been the unstable huge growth you prefer, but it was sustainable growth that ended up being the longest period of economic expansion in American history.
It was that expansion that Trump didn't screw up, even though he tried. Fortunately, he maintained the status quo until the pandemic.
Annual growth figures.
2009: - -2.5%, the end of the Republican recession
2010: - 2.56%
2011: - 1.55%
2012: - 2.25%
2013: - 1.84%
2014: - 2.53%
2015: - 3.00%
2016: - 1.70%
2017: - 2.33%
2018: - 3.00%
2019: - 2.16%
2020: - -3.49%
Now please point out where growth "flattened out", meaning it fell to close to zero percent? Also point out where Trump did any better than Obama.
You can try, but you can't deny the FACTS.https://hubpages.com/politics/forum/352 … ost4201245
As I said in 2014 Obama's economy started to improve as your stats show. They were very flat from 2009 - 2014 these are the fats... you presented these numbers, not sure how you recognize much more than a flat growth.
2009: - -2.5%, the end of the Republican recession
2010: - 2.56%
2011: - 1.55%
2012: - 2.25%
2013: - 1.84%
2014: - 2.53%
Where are you seeing true growth? I see it in 2014 and 2015.Sigh - I hope you know that sustained growth above 3 - 3.5% always leads to a recession.
Let me start with the exception to the rule - 5 years of growth above 4% then the 1969 recession.
Then we have two years of growth well about 3%, then boom, a recession
This was followed by three years of high growth, followed by yet another recession
They from 1984, the next 4 out of 5 years was above 3% before the next recession
Clinton managed to keep growth below 3.5% for the first four years until it blew past 4% leading to the next recession.
Now Bush didn't do too well before crashing the economy.
Then Obama went SEVEN years of reasonable growth and guess what - NO RECESSION. That was UNHEARD of in the history of America.
Trump carried it forward another three years of less than 3% or less growth - and STILL no recession. It took a pandemic to cause the next one.
So, while you may like recessions, I don't and prefer economic growth to stay between 2 and 3.5%.
So agree, such an easy math equation --- locked-down = unemployment. opened for business = back to work at the same job-- unemployment starts to decline. No spanking new jobs have been created ad some seem to be touting. Like I said such a simple deduction.
You mean like the Trump wanna-be Ron DeSantis pushing Covid treatment AFTER you catch it rather than pushing vaccination BEFORE you catch it?
BTW, you WILL catch it if you are unvaccinated, and your chances of getting very sick or dying are orders of magnitude more likely than from from the original version. (Which ultimately means fewer Trump voters next election)
Trump will disown and attack you if he heard you blasphemy that "Trump is no longer the focus."
He, and his supporters, are very much the focus because they remain an existential threat to American democracy. It is hanging on by a thread because of what his brown shirts are doing.
The fact that you don't see that and are in Trump's camp shows just how much his supporters are detached from reality. All they know how to do is Project Trump and the Republican parties' deficiencies onto regular Americans who want to keep our democracy.I would say the threat to our nation is a president that can't really think straight or problem solve. Just consider his problem-solving pulling out of Afghanistan... IMO, He is a disaster, and the very worse president the country has ever had. Hopefully, he will do the right thing and resign.
How much more will we need to live through before he is removed.I disagree. It is the projection and gaslighting your side does such as " can't really think straight or problem solve." - You are clearly talking about Trump.
Not sure how you came to that conclusion. I can't think of Trump ever ignoring a problem let alone a problem that occurred that resulted in the death of Americans due to very poor problem-solving. It would seem a bit, well --- childish to equate my comment to me projecting. Trump just never caused such horrendous problems for America. This is just my own view, but as you see by what is being reported many feel the same way I do. I don't see anyone defending Biden's evacuation plan. Biden has time and time again showed his lack of facing problems and lack of ability to solve problems. Trump had wonderful problem-solving skills, he proved it time and time again.
America needs a strong competent president, not a man that has proven time and time again throughout his time in Washington to be a guy that pretty much did nothing, and just blended in and went whichever way he was told to by the party.
I just don't know what you feel he has accomplished, in my view he has created mess after mess undoing the good deeds of Trump. He has done nothing so far that could be called positive.
I know you felt he did well with his COVID response, but in reality, it's spiking, and causing lots of problems.
I can't think of anything else other than the stimulus package --- Trump gave us two."I can't think of Trump ever ignoring a problem let alone a problem that occurred that resulted in the death of Americans due to very poor problem-solving. " - RFOL, have you ever heard of the pandemic that he played down and effectively ignored leading to hundreds of thousands of needless deaths? I guess not.
As to stimulus packagers - he signed two Democratic stimulus packages.I have heard of a president that stopped travel from China when so many in Washington told him not to. I saw a lunatic by the name of Pelosi dancing down the streets of China Town stating " come to dinner in China town". I saw many Dem from Congress state that all was under control, and COVID posed no problem to the public.
I saw a president get the auto industry to build vents due to our stockpile being empty. I saw him provide a task force that came out daily to advise the public of the virus's danger, and how we should mitigate it. I saw this same man have military revamp large venues into hospitals, and I saw him provide OWS which lead to Americans' having multiple vaccines.
I watched him do all this and more while the Dems concentrated on an impeachment.
He signed two stimulus bills that he believed were very much needed.
This man put Americans first, always. He never let politics get in the way --- ever. I felt safe under this man. I felt respected by this man.
I felt he was an excellent problem solver, and made it all look so easy.
I am sick of hearing he was responsible for COCID deaths... Have you considered the deaths that have occurred in the many different nations --- are all these many leaders also responsible for the deaths of a virus?
This virus was a killer, Trump handled it as well as humanly possible. I shudder to think what would have occurred if Biden would have come up against such a task.
I have little to no respect for anyone that can continue to support Biden at this point. Just watched the return of the dead 13 soldiers. Pretty much sure we will see many more coming home in coffins in the next few weeks. I blame it on one person --- as you would if Trump were in office --- that man is Biden. Actually, I can't even imagine the outcry of the Democrats if this were to have occurred under Trump. But ya know what, this would not have occurred under Trump. As I said he knew how to problem solve."I have heard of a president that stopped travel from China when so many in Washington told him not to." - WELL, you heard wrong. He put in an ineffective partial ban. Specifically - policy prohibits non-U.S. citizens, other than the immediate family of U.S. citizens and permanent residents, who have traveled to China within the last two weeks from entering the U.S. from https://www.factcheck.org/2020/03/the-f … trictions/ which shoots down your other points.
"I saw many Dem from Congress state that all was under control, and COVID posed no problem to the public." - NO you didn't. You saw Trump. What you claim is called gaslighting.
"I am sick of hearing he was responsible for COCID deaths." - WELL, all I can say is that it is sad you sick of the TRUTH.
"Have you considered the deaths that have occurred in the many different nations --- are all these many leaders also responsible for the deaths of a virus?" -- SOME ARE and some are not. It depends on if they did everything they could (like in New Zealand) to prevent deaths. Clearly, Trump did not.
"This virus was a killer, Trump handled it as well as humanly possible. " - MORE gaslighting sense that statement flies in the face of the facts.
"I have little to no respect for anyone that can continue to support Biden at this point. " - AND I have even less respect for anybody who still supports Trump - a clear and present danger to American democracy.
YOU, who decry jumping to conclusions so much, claim that the ISIS-K attack would not have happened BUT FOR the way that Biden conducted the withdrawal. Isn't that called extreme hypocrisy. How DO YOU know that the ISIS-K would not have conducted a similar attack if Biden had followed my guidance and didn't withdraw? Given your severe case of BDS, I would surmise you would blame Biden for that attack as well, just for opposite reasons, LOL.
And you are very right, it would not have occurred under Trump because he wouldn't be conducting an evacuation, he would have just pulled out with no plans to take out Americans or Afghan allies. Keep in mind, he had already shrunk the force to 2,500 and had made plans to take them out before he left office, leaving everybody else stranded. And if you try to claim he had a plan - show it to me.
Not sure I have ever, I mean ever saw a 24% strongly approve... It would seem many that voted for Biden have come to the reality that they made a mistake, and most likely strongly regret voting for this man. 24%.... I wonder what the coming week's numbers will be.
The latest figures include 24% who Strongly Approve of the job Biden is doing and 45% who Strongly Disapprove. This gives him a Presidential Approval Index rating of -21.
"It's not just Afghanistan -- Americans are losing faith in Biden on many issues"
https://www.cnn.com/2021/08/28/politics … index.html
https://www.rasmussenreports.com/public … rack_aug27
https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/bi … al-rating/
https://www.yahoo.com/now/41-low-biden- … 00686.htmlInteresting. Your 538 article still shows Biden slightly right-side up while if they took the same poll of Trump, he would STILL be very upside down.
Your Yahoo article is dated August 24, which means the data they used was even older. Now that there are maybe 300 Americans left that want to get out, I wonder if Yahoo would get the same result if they took the poll today or tomorrow??
Also, once this mess is behind us, then Biden's numbers will improve because of the booming economy, in spite of all those dangerous unvaccinated people, and the passage of a long awaited infrastructure bill.Biden's numbers will improve? Why? He did nothing to bring back the economy. It just woke up with people returning to work. Easy equation -- not able to work due to COVID lockdowns --- returning to the same old job after lockdowns. Actually many have not and may not return to jobs--- Biden created no new jobs. He is so dangerous to America. It's obvious even the left media have turned on him. And we know what can result from that.
I predict Biden's approval ratings will plummet to the very lowest on record. He is all but done.
If the Reconciliation bill is hooked to it --- it's dead in the water.
And with this latest tragedy he has in my view caused, not many will hook their cart to anything Biden."Why? He did nothing to bring back the economy. " - That is called gaslighting.
"... plummet to the very lowest on record. " - Do you mean down there with Trumps?
Reconciliation Bill dead in the water? Not likely. Will it stay at $3.5 trillion? No. But will it pass once it gets down to a number Manchin and Sinema like? You know it sure will.My opinion of the Trump economy is well established by stats. I think we have gone over Trump's economy time and time again. The stats show he had a very good economy. You prefer to feel Obama provided that economy, and compare the two. I prefer not to, we just disagree.
Not about to go back and forth about why unemployment numbers are getting better. As I said, the Trump economy is returning, people are returning to their jobs, Biden has not created new jobs, only subtracted jobs. It is unfortunate Trump's economy was hit with a pandemic. However, Biden should in no respect take any credit for the current improving employment numbers. Anyone that believes this and promotes it is truly misguided.
The Reconciliation bill is a wait-and-see. I would not think too many in Congress will do much to hang their hats with such a failing president. let's face it when the water starts rising most will jump out with life preservers. Just the nature of politics... When the Dems in Congress see the falling public support for Biden --- It will be Bye Bye Biden. Not sure who will want to support another gigantic mistake that further sinks the country into great debt. Just my view.
I think many are reevaluating all the lefts flighty costly BS expenditures the Dems hope to get in that bill. And how this president can't be trusted in any matters of Governing. My gosh...
Keep living in Ozland, Esoteric. Keep living in Ozland instead of facing reality.
And you keep on gaslighting and projecting - something you are expert at.
"everyone knows it..." - OH, you mean the record breaking 81 million Americans who voted for Biden compared to the piddly-ass 70 some odd million of brainwashed, undemocratic sore losers who voted for Trump. Do you mean THAT "everyone", lol.
If you guys weren't so dangerous to democracy, you would be funny.
I don't believe it is going towards it's destruction, it is merely throwing off the mask of being for the American people.
It talks about Climate Change... Carbon Tax... Yet it is sending it's investigators after Tesla, while supporting Legacy Automakers and their gas guzzling cars. The laughable 2030 agenda to have 50 % of autos made at that time be EV was a slap in the face to anyone that actually cares about reducing carbon emissions.
If they really wanted to make change happen they would build a recharge infrastructure across the nation.... Like Tesla did.... They would convert all government (non military) fleets to EVs ... They would support battery recycle centers... We would lead the world in this transition, instead it will be China and the EU that by 2030 will be completely EV centered societies.
One of many corrupt crony moves Biden's Administration has made, every single move they have made is bad for America, from the border to Afghanistan, and we aren't even one year in."Yet it is sending it's investigators after Tesla, while supporting Legacy " - shows you are ignorant about the issue and therefore being very disingenuous and misleading.
Esoteric, keep living in Ozland. Ozland must be such a nice place to reside. It must be great living in a land of rose colored glasses. You seem to have a great aversion to reality. Oh well........oh WELL...... Well, think of Nazi Germany & its outcome.
It only seems that way to you because you and the minority like you are living in Trump's fantasyland where he is still president.
A blind man can see what Biden is doing to America. Biden is doing TO America, not FOR America.
How Trump duped 70 some odd million people to vote for him will be one of the great mysteries of the world.
OR maybe not.
There are very roughly 300 million voting age people America.
Of those, roughly 160,000,000 actually voted.
Of those, at least 1/3 hold racist views and voted for Trump. That is roughly 53 million
Trump received about 74,000,000 votes (compared to Biden's 81,000,000)
That leaves around 21,000,000 who were duped by a master Demagogue.
Given how well advertising works in America to get people to buy things they don't want and are not good for them, it is not surprising 21 million fell for Trump's BS.
Why pick on older people, Ken?
The overwhelming support against Biden come from old white men.
Why is the bias that said that older people are being duped while the "uneducated", Trump's clearly self confessed preferred source of support, are so much smarter?Discriminate, that is an overriding characteristic of conservatives Credence. It makes them feel better.
Well, after making the wrong choice in leaving Afghanistan and then falling flat on his face in the initial execution, Biden finally got it together and is doing an outstanding job in evacuating people out of there.
That said, I wish he would have pushed back his time line a week or two.PARSING WHAT SEN ROMNEY RECENTLY SAID:
GOP Senator Mitt Romney said the possibility of Americans and Afghan allies being left behind in Afghanistan would be a “moral stain,” and blamed both the Trump and Biden administrations for the chaotic exit from Afghanistan. - No Question
“This is the result of very ineffective decisions, terrible decisions made by the prior administration and by the current administration,” Romney told CNN on Sunday. - Again, without question
“This did not have to happen. It was preventable,” Romney continued. - Yes, it was
Romney warned the American withdrawal from Afghanistan increases the likelihood of a Taliban-sponsored attack on Americans, and claimed the likelihood is higher today than when the US first entered Afghanistan 20 years ago - Here, I have to disagree. The danger from the Taliban in 2001 was their letting those who would do us harm use their country. The Taliban itself, was not a threat to America.
“We went to Afghanistan because we got attacked on 9/11 and lost thousands of American lives. Now, America is in more danger. The decision to pull our military of Afghanistan puts us in greater danger,” Romney said. If the Taliban once again let Afghanistan become a safe haven for terrorists who want to attack America, then, and only then, do I agree.
Romney said he welcomed the Afghan evacuees arriving in the US, and distanced himself from Republicans who have criticized the relocation of Afghan allies to the US on the basis of restricting immigration. - As well he shouldWell, for better or worse, America has left Afghanistan. Only time will tell if President Biden made the right decision to end our involvement there. If, as promised, the Taliban is successful in keeping the terrorist who would and can do us harm out of Afghanistan (which I don't think they will), then Biden's decision will look like a master stroke. If they don't, then America is right back to where it started, in danger from terrorists getting sanctuary in Afghanistan.
Which ever way you cut it, Biden screwed up the execution of his withdrawal. Whether it was from very bad advice, or the suppression of views and data that showed the imminent collapse of the government, or Biden being naïve in his resolution to get the hell out, the debacle that ensued rest squarely on his shoulders.
Trump, of course, is responsible for the collapse of the Afghan gov't and military (along with the Afghans themselves, of course). His agreement with the Taliban totally undercut the government's legitimacy and the military's ability to defend itself. There was no question the Afghans were going to collapse like a wet-paper bag - Trump made certain of that.
What was not certain was whether we could have managed that collapse and not ended up in the position we did. I think we could have. Obviously, Biden and his civilian advisors thought otherwise. I think the military knew exactly what was going to happen and they kept prodding the State Dept to speed up the evacuation - that fell on deaf ears.
There will be heads to roll and I think Sec State Blinken ought to be one of them. But we will see what the investigation tells us.I agree Blinken must be fired, after listening to his speech tonight it is very clear he is not suited to represent America.
"The secretary of state said the State Department believes there is "still a small number of Americans -- under 200, and likely closer to 100 -- who remain in Afghanistan and want to leave."
We were told no one would be left behind --- unforgivable
My America does not believe in leaving any American behind. This president is not fit to lead."We were told no one would be left behind --- unforgivable
My America does not believe in leaving any American behind. This president is not fit to lead."
I agree, except the last part. If you fire Biden, then you have to fire all of the generals who agreed with him that they couldn't stay any longer.You are once again predicting what the Generals have said. I will wait to see what an investigation provides in the way of did Biden listen to the advice of his advisers.
Read my statement - My America does not believe in leaving any American behind. This president is not fit to lead."
It makes no mention of staying or staying any longer. My opinion is clear --- My America does not believe in leaving any American behind. This president is not fit to lead."
He left Americans behind... He made that decision. If the Generals should testify that they suggested he leave Americans behind they should be fired, and Biden removed for agreeing to such a plan. My God American does not leave Americans behind."You are once again predicting what the Generals have said. " - There is no "predicting" about it. That is what was reported.
Trump told his army he would march to the Capitol with them, he didn't. And then he left those that followed his words to rot in jail. -- unforgivable.
Mainly due to the right-wing resistance to getting vaccinated which is responsible for the huge rise in Delta case and deaths, only 235,000 jobs were added in August. Ironically, that is a great number in normal times, but these aren't normal times.
On the bright side, the unemployment rate continued to fall to 5.2%.Really, have you any proof of this opinion? And unemployment will go down due to many's unemployed returning to work --- just running out of benefits.
Next month will see wonderful unemployment numbers due to so many coming to the realization the cash cow has died.
Biden got four more Americans out of Afghanistan via an overland route.
- Got America well on its way to putting the pandemic behind us --- laughable have you seen the current numbers of infections as well as deaths...
One word --- Inflation
unemployment -- Historic highs are due to a country returning to previous jobs. By Jan 2022 we will see all stats disastrous. Unemployment vacations are over...Have you seen the resistance your side is putting up against getting vaccinated. The only way Biden can get those who are being stupid and dangerous is to Mandate vaccination (which you would then howl about as well) - he has done everything short of that.
It is the Republicans (and a few distrustful blacks and Latinos) who driving the pandemic now. Please blame those who deserve the blame and not Biden.
I haven't seen inflation in the news much lately. I suspect that is because what we are seeing right now was predictable.
"Unemployment vacations are over..." - Not a surprising sentiment coming from a conservative Vacations my ass.My side? I don't know anyone in my family or friends that has not been vaccinated. Your compartmentalizing again. Are many migrants choose not to take the vaccine or be tested? It was not until Aug 4th that they were offered the vaccine. By that date we had over 1.3 million enter the US. It is very possible that the migrants are adding to the very high infection rate we are currently experiencing.
Biden is the president, he is failing at bringing up the vaccination percents, and in my view due to poor problem solving he let many infected migrants in to make it a more prevalent problem. He has been in office for 8 months, the US has plenty of vaccines, he should have had shots in the arms of any migrant that wanted to enter and wait for their court date. AS I pointed out he had the right to.
"The Biden administration will keep in place a Trump-era policy of turning migrants away at the southern border without allowing them to claim asylum due to the COVID-19 pandemic.
The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention announced an extension of the policy in a statement on Monday, determining that "introduction of such noncitizens, regardless of their country of origin, migrating through Canada and Mexico into the United States creates a serious danger of the introduction of COVID-19 into the United States."
The U.S. is currently experiencing a surge in new COVID-19 cases due to the more infectious delta variant, causing many state and local governments as well as businesses to reimpose pandemic mitigation measures.
A group of GOP lawmakers last month had urged President Biden to keep the Trump-era policy, called Title 42, in place. Despite overturning many of former President Trump's immigration policies, the Biden administration has defended the continued use of Title 42, which it has used to expel roughly 100,000 migrants every month."
Aug 2, 2021, https://thehill.com/homenews/administra … y-migrants
IMO once again Biden dropped the ball. He certainly could have been putting shots in arms at the border. he certainly has proven he is not following the science. he asks all Americans to take the vaccine but does not make it an order under Trump's law that migrants during the pandemic" create a serious danger of the introduction of COVID-19 into the United States."1.3 million entered? But most are turned away because Title 42. Your math does not add up.
And your xenophobia does not explain how Florida, which does not border Mexico, is seeing a similar delta surge. Once you can explain that conundrum, then your theory about migrants being the cause may have some validity. Until then, it's just you showing your fear of immigrants.Nothing to do with xenophobia, I have a home in Mexico and live happily side by side with the people of Mexico. Has to do with hoping all will be vaccinated. Due to it is the best route to stopping the spread of COVID and the new strains from forming, and perhaps a new strain traveling in at our border.
Quite literally doubling down on the xenophobia by then claiming that 'a new strain could be traveling in at our border.' I see you cannot explain the same Delta surge in Florida that Texas is seeing.
No just staying a very real possibility. I have no idea why Florida is having a surge in COVID. here in Michigan, we have over 70% of our population vaccinated and we are in the middle of a surge, as well as a surge in deaths. Many states are surging at this time. This past week Flordia is on the downturn in regards to infections. https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/usa/florida/
https://graphics.reuters.com/HEALTH-COR … kvlgkrkpb/"No just staying a very real possibility." - Just like the insurrectionists on Jan 6 having a reasonable belief that the election was rigged, there is no plausible way the 100% tested migrants could be causing the current outbreak.
Kaiser clearly shows it is Republicans, the less Educated, Latinos, and the Uninsured.I did not say " there is no plausible way the 100% tested migrants could be causing the current outbreak."
That would be you reading into my comment. I feel that the untested migrants that have not been vaccinated can add to the problem of spreading the virus.
In fact, it is worse in Florida because of DeSantis.
Then start being as adamant on these forums for Republicans to get vaccinated as you are at Biden-bashing.
I have done nothing but support vaccination on this forum. Perhaps you need to add a comment where I have not supported all getting vaccinated before accusing me. This kind of unwanted accusation is unwarranted.
Valeant, she will never be right because migrants being the cause is simply non-factual.
Also, she didn't pass on the piece of information I gave her that ALL migrants in Border Control custody ARE tested. If positive, they are quarantined. Therefore it is impossible for those people to be the source of the latest outbreak, no matter how often her propaganda sources tell her it is true.
Instead, as I posted to her comment, the REAL culprits are Republicans, the Uneducated, Latinos, and the Uninsured. The percent of Republicans who currently won't get vaccinated is an astounding 40%!!
YES, you side. Consider:
The bottom line is this for who are not vaccinated -
"Compared To Those Who Have Received A COVID-19 Vaccine, Unvaccinated Adults Are Younger, Less Educated, More Likely To Be Republicans, Latino, and Uninsured"
Who are either Waiting and Seeing, Only if Forced, Definitely Won't (Kaiser):
Republicans: 40%
Independents: 29%
Democrats: 17%
White: 25%
Black: 29%
Latino: 33%
White Evangelicals: 32%
Rural: 32% (generally conservative)
Urban: 23% (generally liberal)
"Biden is the president, he is failing at bringing up the vaccination" - Do you really want to go there and let me talk about parents failing because there grown sons get in trouble or the Church failing because so many of its leaders commit sex crimes (let alone its parishioners? Are you going to insist on being that ridiculous?
Back to projecting: for example "he certainly has proven he is not following the science" is projecting Trump's issue on to Biden.
"Unemployment vacations are over..." - HERE ARE SOME OF THOSE VACATIONS you speak of
"April Stokes wants to go back to work. An optician by trade, Stokes was employed at Henry Ford OptimEyes until the coronavirus struck and school closed for her two young children. The family has been able to ride out the pandemic thanks to expanded federal unemployment benefits, which provided them with $1,152 every two weeks -- much less than Stokes was making before, but enough to survive. Now, however, that vital lifeline has ended. Stokes isn't worried about her ability to find a new job, but finding one that can accommodate her children's schedules will be "next to impossible," she says. Child care in the Detroit suburb where she lives is severely limited, she said, and the nanny she trusted to pick up the kids in the afternoon prior to the pandemic is no longer available. YEP, the conservative solution is to forget your kids and take any job that comes along. There are millions like her
"More than 8 million people are now left with no unemployment compensation at all, while another 2.7 million lost the $300 federal weekly boost but will continue receiving state payments, according to estimates by The Century Foundation. They join the roughly 2.7 million Americans who were cut off from some or all of their benefits in June or July after two dozen states opted to terminate at least one of the programs early. The governors -- all but one of them Republicans -- wanted to push their residents to look for jobs." - The problem is, it didn't work! Millions of people suffered needlessly because conservatives thought they were taking a vacation
"Though there are a record 10 million job openings in the US, employment is not expected to soar, at least not right away, experts said. The labor markets did not greatly improve in the states that ceased benefits over the summer.
The generous benefits are not the only reason for the relatively slow pace of hiring. Child care and health concerns are also major factors."
WHY? Because -
"More than 5.5 million people said they are not working because they are caring for children who are not in school or day care, " - [i]Again, the solution is leave your kids at home so you can end your vacation and go to work
"More than 5.5 million people said they are not working because they are caring for children who are not in school or day care," - [i]I guess the conservatives choice is to go to work and get sick and maybe die. Better that than stay at home on vacation.Well, it's an excuse anyway. Not a very good one as most schools have re-opened, but an excuse nonetheless.
So we should just keep those extra 5.5 million on the welfare rolls because they don't want to change jobs as necessary to support themselves? Liberals will give a resounding "YES"; fiscal conservatives, whether Democrat or Republican understand that we cannot continue to support those people indefinitely as they enjoy their vacations at taxpayer expense.I didn't know you believed 1 year olds went to school. It must be true in that alternate reality you live in.
You didn't respond to my conservative solutions to enable people to go back to work leave your kids at home, unsupervised or how about force employers to hire unqualified people or maybe force employers to hire where there are lots of unemployed.
All good conservative solutions.
Let's take a look at where all of those easy to find jobs that ANYBODY should be able to get into if all they did was apply for them:
Total Private (Jun 2021 in millions) - 8.6
- Retail - 1.0
- Professional and Business Services - 1.8
- Education and Health Services - 1.6
- Leisure - 1.7
- Manufacturing - .9
- Construction - .3
Now, there are currently 8.6 million unemployed. By conservative math that means there is a job opening for every unemployed American and there should be - how did you put it - no excuse for anyone not to have a job. At least by the way you look at the world.
But how does the real world look at it?
(At this point we are ignoring where the unemployed are and where the job opening are)
By my count, there are only 2.7 million job openings in fields that require little or no training (Leisure and Retail). Yet there are almost 8.6 million, mostly unskilled, people wanting those jobs. Remember, it was Retail and Leisure that lost most of the jobs - many which are not coming back anytime soon.
That said, by conservative logic, that is no excuse for not getting a job that doesn't exist or you are not qualified for (that was why I stuck in the "force the employer" option, because that is the only way these people will get employed)
Do you now understand how absurd and unfair your position is in the real world?That may be your solution; to leave small children at home. Conservatives, understanding the value of love and family, know better.
If conservatives understood the value of love and family, they would not have supported a policy to separate families at the border that most of the rest of the world labelled a human rights violation.
Are you aware of all the problems the Biden administration is having at the border, at all? Feds reportedly lose track of thousands of migrant kids after release. Are you aware of the growing number of unaccompanied children? Axios reported that HHS had discharged 32,000 minors between President Biden’s inauguration on Jan. 20 and May 31... And I hate to think how many more children came in from May to Sept.
https://nypost.com/2021/09/01/feds-lose … se-report/Another misleading story from a right-wing outlet (although more credible than most).
To start with, the headline is a deception (you figure that out once you read the article). It says Feds reportedly lose track of thousands of migrant kids after release.
But later in the story, the "Feds" (HHS) has no legal requirement to "Track" the kids.
“While we make every effort to voluntarily check on children after we unite them with parents or sponsors and offer certain post-unification services, we no longer have legal oversight once they leave our custody,”
They do it to - the calls are made to “determine whether the child is still residing with the sponsor, is enrolled in or attending school, is aware of upcoming court dates, and is safe.”
What IS required is that HHS make a call within the first 30 days after release, which they seem to not being doing very well. No reason for the failure is given so we don't know why? Could it be the after effects of Trump's slow-roll on transition? Could it be it takes time to staff up? Could it be ...? Who knows, but I would like to know. I would also like to know if they have corrected the problem in the subsequent three months.
Are you suggesting that HHS break the law?I am aware of the numbers at the border as I have gone to the official government sites for the actual numbers. And I have noted that they aren't at all different than 2019 when you factor in the 38% retry rate from Title 42.
Here is a 2018 article where Trump's administration lost track of thousands of migrant kids after release:
https://apnews.com/article/immigration- … f4b5732f12
Here is the quote from administration officials then:
HHS spokeswoman Caitlin Oakley disputed the notion that the children were “lost.”
“Their sponsors, who are usually parents or family members and in all cases have been vetted for criminality and ability to provide for them, simply did not respond or could not be reached when this voluntary call was made,” she said in a statement.
Were you outraged then when the same thing was happening? Or is this your latest case of partisan outrage at the same thing happening just under a president not from your own party? I'll bet the latter.You keep repeating that, I suppose you have to, if you want your opinion to make any sort of sense regarding the matter.
But in reality, that 38% retry rate from "Remain In Mexico" being cancelled by Biden would have only impacted a month or two.
We are eight months in to Biden's Administration and the numbers are higher now than they were six months ago. And climbing... because everyone South of the border now knows Biden is in, Trump is out, and the Borders are open again."And climbing... because everyone South of the border now knows Biden is in, Trump is out, and the Borders are open again." - [i[Still Wrong, the borders are NOT open. I will agree that people are less afraid to come to America because the inhumanity of the previous administration has largely been replaced by humanitarian processes. They have much less fear of dying in American custody now than under Trump - and they can keep their kids.[/i]
I keep repeating that because some people suck at math, apparently. When you factor in the repeat rate, the problem at the border hasn't changed much. But all of a sudden it's a crisis to the right. Guess what? Either it's been a crisis since 2019 or the right is just a bunch of hysterical idiots who can't add. My theory is the latter.
This doesn't help your argument.
I do not hold many of the political perspectives of Credence or Peoplepower, and often the inability to break through barriers so that we can understand to some degree the other's point is difficult, but I respect them, even if I disagree.
This article shows the point I am trying to make.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/articl … ffice.html
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/supreme-co … 00-10aaa3a
Since Biden took office, we have had record numbers of immigrants crossing the border, and it really has little to do with "remain in Mexico" it has to do with Biden's messaging during his campaign, to the BP agencies, and in rescinding Trump's efforts on day one.
And they will continue to come... by the millions... because they know Biden is weak and will not stop them.Well, math does seem to be an issue with many here. 81 million does seem to be more than 75 million. 306 does seem to be more than 232. 1,000 incidents of assaults from bodycam footage on police would seem to be violence on January 6, and 845,000 compares pretty closely to 796,000.
And if people would stop quoting media sources and perhaps would go to the official stats listed by the Customs and Border Patrol, maybe I would not have such disdain for the false perceptions of the border compared to 2019.
When discussing the border, I have tended to use the stats listed by CBP to make my arguments while we get Foxnews opinions, Dailymail articles, and Breitbart horsepoo as the sourcing from many here.
I'm done being nice to people peddling their far-right propaganda here. To me, you're helping promote further incidents of domestic terror against our nation. I will fight you with all the disdain I have.I appreciate you admitting it, your "disdain" for those who do not share your views has been apparent.
Based on this position it seems anyone that is not supportive of your beliefs you may feel is a radical extremist threat... to me that is a sign that you may suffer from paranoia or something worse, most people on these forums can debate the issues, even argue vehemently against one another... and never come to believe the other person is a "domestic terrorist".I never said disdain for those who do not share my views. I have disdain for those peddling dangerous far-right propaganda. Plenty of conservative users, such as GA and Kyler, I have quite civil conversations with and do not have any disdain towards them. Snark, maybe. Disdain, definitely not.
Multiple users here have admitted being led to either their state or nation's Capitols where people endangered police during the height of a pandemic or outright attacked police. The ideas that led them to commit those acts against their own nation, something I view as homegrown domestic terror, is where my disdain lies. You have peddled some of those ideas on this site, hence my disdain towards you.Interesting take on my comments. I will have to consider that.
I have gone out of my way to not use Fox News or Breitbart for years now, with the exception of course, because I realize that they are biased, just as CNN and the NYTimes are biased, so when trying to make a point I refrain from using those sources as I know it automatically alienates many I am debating with.
My position on what went on at the Capitol are my own, few would support them, but then, few have also had the insights I have had into our government and our military.
I am not unique in my experiences, but they put me in a rare, very small minority, of Americans. So my perspectives on things are often rather unique. Does that make me a "domestic terrorist"... I guess that depends on your definition.
If to you a Domestic Terrorist is someone who does not believe the BS that is peddled by the likes of Pelosi and Biden... then I fit your definition.
If however, you think I am a blind supporter of Trump and that makes me a Domestic Terrorist you are way off base. I supported Trump in 2016, this is true, but I had different hopes for 2020. Biden was not one of those hopes and to me Biden has failed across the board so far as our President, at everything.
Biden has 3 years to go, he could certainly do things that I approve of, he could invest in developing a EV infrastructure across the nation and rebuild our electric grids and support individual Solar Power systems to reduce our dependency on Oil and Gas.
He could show support for Tesla and other non-Legacy EV automakers that are trying to change the world for the better, rather than trying to restrict their growth and showing support for ICE vehicle manufacturers.
He could do the things I expect a Progressive/Democrat politician to do that I consider positives for this nation that I could not expect the likes of Trump to do... but so far he has not. So far his efforts have only botched things and made things worse for America and Americans IMO.
If having an independent opinion that sees Biden's failures and wants to hold him accountable is what you consider a "Domestic Threat", I think that says more about you than me.'If however, you think I am a blind supporter of Trump and that makes me a Domestic Terrorist you are way off base.'
-Certainly blind to some of the lies he has told that have led to incidents of domestic terror.
As for Biden failing across the board...according to the CBP's own stats, unique encounters at the southern border are only up around 50,000 this year. Hardly the crisis those on the right make it out to be. The stock market has improved by greater levels than any president to start a term, unemployment rates are coming down, childhood poverty rates are dropping, the high murder rates started midway through the last year of the Trump presidency are lowering, he got a stimulus package passed in about a third of the time it took the last administration and a bipartisan infrastructure package is on its way through Congress - something that failed to get accomplished for the previous four years.
Yeah, maybe you aren't really seeing the board at all, just the few things that you're being fed to drive your own disdain for the current administration.Perhaps, I am open to being proven wrong.
Right now I do not like his decisions, not generalities, not trends in crime or the stock market... specific Biden decisions and consequences.
Not a fan of how things went down in Afghanistan... really not a fan of how he kept our allies in the dark and their corresponding responses about such.
Not a fan of his Day 1 moves... he made them purely for political play IMO without taking into consideration the consequences. For example the race to freeze or shut down various oil and pipeline efforts... and then six months later be pleading to OPEC to produce more oil.
If I am wrong, that will certainly prove itself out in the coming months... as of now, I see no evidence of it.I have voiced my own disagreements with some of Biden's decisions. I disagreed with him revoking the remain in Mexico policy. That one seems to make some sense. And I've noted he deserved some culpability for the deaths in the Afghanistan withdrawal, while also being able to see how the chaos got to where it did from a historical viewpoint.
I can also understand not wanting environmental issues from foreign pipelines affecting our lands. Many elected Biden for those reasons.
https://www.politico.com/news/2021/08/2 … ord-506613
But as Eso and I continue to note in this thread, there are positives occurring. And not everything is the crisis that the right-wing media claim they are. As noted, using CBP stats, there's only a 50,000 increase in unique encounters at the Southern Border in the eight months of this year. Considering we have the vaccine that people might want and we're giving it away for free, the climate destruction in Central American, and the decimation of the economies from Covid there, any one of those could explain the moderate increase - as opposed to it being Biden's policies."As noted, using CBP stats, there's only a 50,000 increase in unique encounters at the Southern Border in the eight months of this year."
I have to question why so many thousands are trying a second time when they didn't before. Is it because they learned how to get around the Border Patrol and didn't get counted the second time around? Is it because Biden has made it plain that it is his goal to give citizenship to anyone in the country? Is it because ICE no longer deports from the interior, giving hope of staying?
I really doubt that it is the vaccine, and I doubt even more that it is the decimation of the economies (they've been decimated for years). Nor do I think it is the climate destruction. I think it is due to a radical change in America's attitude (or at least the perception of America's attitude) towards illegal aliens coming into or living in our country...thanks to Biden."I have to question why so many thousands are trying a second time when they didn't before. " - How do you know this?
"Is it because Biden has made it plain that it is his goal to give citizenship to anyone in the country?" - How do you know this? ANYONE, really?
What accounted for the massive increase in apprehensions (according to Sharlee's chart) from July through January 2020, all under Trump?"How do you know this?"
I thought that was your point - that we have many, many more trying a second time now. Was I mistaken?
"How do you know this? ANYONE, really?"
All right - you got me. I doubt that he wants criminals here. But he HAS stated he wants citizenship for those that have managed to remain in the country illegally.
"What accounted for the massive increase in apprehensions (according to Sharlee's chart) from July through January 2020, all under Trump?"
Presumably increased effort on our part to catch them. The wall probably helped as it forced them to cross in a smaller area than they would have had otherwise. The other option is that Trump, too, faced massive double efforts...which rather ruins the idea that the huge increase is due mostly to double efforts, doesn't it?"All right - you got me. I doubt that he wants criminals here. But he HAS stated he wants citizenship for those that have managed to remain in the country illegally." - NOW that is true and something I can get behind.
"Right now I do not like his decisions, not generalities, not trends in crime or the stock market... specific Biden decisions and consequences."
- Fair enough, but I would pick the right subjects and timing. There are several things Biden did which I don't like but not liking the records he set in the stock market is not one of them. Also, you mentioned his role in rising crime. Problem is, you started mentioning that shortly after he took office AFTER it rose through much of the Trump administration. To be taken seriously, it seems to me, your judgements need to match up with reality.
You can disagree with what he has proposed for infrastructure and that is fair - it is actually something he has proposed, if not accomplished yet.
You can disagree with his decision to pull out of Afghanistan rather then build back up to levels that could push back the Taliban that Trump let overrun the country - I certainly disagree with that decision.
You can disagree with his decision not to pull out Americans and allies much sooner - something I wish Trump had done, let alone Bide
You can disagree with Biden's moves to roll back many of Trump's inhumane, anti-environmental, anti-business EOs is fair game, you may think those polices are good for America. Personally, I thought they hurt America terribly.
But to blame Biden for the rising crime rate (which you can't really say because the data isn't out yet) that he inherited seems to me to be unreasonably partisan and unfair
To blame Biden for a bad stock market when, in fact, it keeps hitting record highs and makes Trump's record look paltry by comparison also seems to be highly partisan, unfair, and frankly, a lie. The current pause in its rapid rise is due to, guess what - mainly Republican, less educated, Latino, and/or uninsured not getting vaccinated which is driving all the hospitalizations and deaths of that same cohort.
To say "For example the race to freeze or shut down various oil and pipeline efforts" is also partisan and unfair because - it is not true. He cancelled only one pipeline, the disastrous Keystone pipeline, one that Trump resurrected from the dead. Biden merely put it back where it belonged.
And to mischaracterize what Biden said with "and then six months later be pleading to OPEC to produce more oil." further erodes your credibility as a fair observer. Biden didn't "plead" of a damn thing.You mis-understood my statement, I said I do NOT put emphasis for crime rates or the stock market on the President. I focus on his specific decisions and what is under his control (IE - Afghanistan).
It is very easy to confirm that Biden did plead for OPEC nations to produce more oil, and I have left links in the past to that. So I am not going to belabor it now.
"but then, few have also had the insights I have had into our government and our military." - Let's compare "insights" shall we? Your profile says you are an Army veteran (thank you for your service), did you retire from the Army?
It also says you were a Program Director. I think I remember you saying you were involved in the dispersal of stimulus funds. Is that what you were program director of?
What other military and gov't experience have you had?
I ask because I suspect, although it may not be true, that I have much more of each for a lot longer to base my perspectives on.Experiences can tough to compare to one another, I was deployed or stationed to Ft. Benning, Ft. Stewart, Ft. Ord, Ft. Lewis, Ft. Drum, Ft. Campell, Guantanamo Bay, Panama, Iceland, Korea, Egypt, Jordan,
At one point I worked for the G-3 / Division Commander during 9/11, I was the NCOIC of the EOC and controlled all SIPR and NIPR information that came or went during those months as well as oversaw various security matters for VIP and Foreign Dignitary visits prior to deployment.
I have been a Director of Green Energy and Housing for one County CAP before moving on to be a "fill in" CEO and Director of Weatherization at another.
Much left out or unmentioned, looking back on it I have certainly slowed down to a crawl these days. A lot could be experienced when one never settles in place for long.I understand very much your last paragraph.
Not sure when you were there but I was in training at Fort Benning in 1971 for BOTC and again in 1980 (I think) for AOTC. I am not as well traveled as you as while in the Army. I made it to Fort Rucker and Fort Walters for pilot training, Vietnam, and Fort Lewis where the Vietnam drawdown got me. I retired from the Army in 1995 (again, I think) after serving as Inf Platoon Leader, Combat Engineer Company Commander, Aviation Maintenance Company Commander, and Battalion Combat Engineer Officer (a liaison with Division. Most of my time was in the California and Maryland National Guards with about 6 years of active/combat duty.
That was my Army career. I am also a retired AF civil servant working mainly out of the Pentagon.The other half of my experience comes from the Air Force. I spent 26 years working for the Air Force and Office of the Secretary of Defense as a Cost and Economic analyst and ending up as program manager for the development of the Air Force Total Ownership Cost MIS (you can still find some of my briefing on-line). When I look back, I am amazed at the various things I was fortunate and privileged to work on.
Besides AFTOC, I developed the original COBRA (Cost of Base Realignment Actions) model used for several rounds of base closure actions. At the same time, I represented both the Army and the Air Force at the OSD Base Closure Committee meetings. In fact, I ran the analysis function of the Army Base closure project while on active duty during the first Gulf War (while at the same time running the Air Force Cost Centers O&S branch.
Three of the most impactful (and fun) things was
1) while working as an analyst for the OSD Readiness office, I put together the report used to direct the Army to revamp their war reserve position which I found was A) inadequate in quantity and B) poorly positioned to meet current threats;
2) using AFTOC, led an analysis of the impact on AF readiness due to funding short falls in the spares and miniatous accounts. This analysis, among other things, was ultimately used to brief the President which resulted in the first plus up in the spares budget in over a decade.
3} As part of a NATO sponsored project I, as part of a larger team, went to Slovakia to help them put together a plan to revamp their air force in order to join NATO. My part of the pie was producing the estimated costs for operations and support of the aircraft they were proposing to buy.
I didn't write all of that to pat myself on the back (OK, yes I did, I am proud of it), but to give you a flavor of where I gained my experience in terms of military operations and the workings of the government.
Simply put, I have been around the block a few times and know of what I talk about.
"I have disdain for those peddling dangerous far-right propaganda. " - [i]Which is saying promoting Russian propaganda. Both have the effect of destroying American democracy and make American weaker.
And it isn't just you who " view as homegrown domestic terror,..", the FBI agrees with you.
https://chicago.suntimes.com/2021/7/28/ … -6-hearing
Well, Ken, these are the "respectable patriot" types that you been extolling.
They were racist bigots with Confederate flags and racial slurs. They urinated and defecated in congresspersons offices. If these are the middle of the road Americans that you Crow about, we are all in a lot of trouble.
Regardless of what you say, this is lowest of the lowest possible scum.
How can I possibly have any sympathy or understanding toward this kind?
How much of this can you dispute, sugarcoat or excuse?I have not been extolling them... I have been pointing out, correctly I believe, what the majority (not all) of them were.
They were your nurses, firemen, military, police... I believe this was brought forth long ago by Islandbites' forum thread on this incident.
I have been trying to correlate that I would rather have such "mobs" focusing their ire on the Capitol than on their neighbors and local businesses. I do not see burning down one's neighborhood a productive way of making those running the government change.
I don't agree that violence and robbery is "restitution".
I feel if people are that upset with their government they should direct it toward their government at the state or federal level.
When we direct that anger and frustration at one another WE ALL LOSE.
The only winners from that are the elitist corrupt snobs in DC that have been there for decades making themselves into millionaires at America's expense."I have been trying to correlate that I would rather have such "mobs" focusing their ire on the Capitol than on their neighbors and local businesses. " - [i]I am sorry, but that is false equivalencies again. Between the Summer protests and the Capitol "Protests", you have four different groups of participants.
1. The vast majority of peaceful demonstrators in the cities
2. The very large number of peaceful demonstrators at the Capitol
3. The small number of criminals that participated in any given acts of violence in the cities
4. The large number of insurrectionists that participated in stopping the gov't from functioning and destroying and desecrating the seat of democracy.
If you go back and reread your posts you will find, including in this comment, that you ignore #1 entirely and project #3 onto #1 WHILE you virtually ignore #4 and promote the idea that only #2 happened on Jan 6 with a couple of small hiccups.
That is why we are forced to look askance at you and your logic. It simply doesn't add up.It is because we look at these people in very different ways.
You consider them a legitimate threat. I consider them rather pathetic, rather clueless and in terms of being "insurrectionists" out to "destroy the seat of democracy" rather incompetent.
You say police were injured, desks were urinated on, etc.
Such things occurred at many "peaceful" protests. Police were injured and the government functionality was attacked nightly in Portland. An entire block was occupied in Seattle and innocent people were killed. In other cities homes and businesses were burned, people were assaulted.
I prefer the mob going to the State or Federal Capitol and venting their frustration than down some random city streets making victims of innocent people.
I just don't see these people as serious threats. Pathetic fools maybe, ignorant, idiotic, a whole bunch of things could be applied to them... a legitimate threat to our Government, nah. They look ridiculous.
Put them in body armor and hand them a few rifles I might think otherwise.
This looks like a serious threat:
And this:
Interesting. Your chart and Sharlee's chart do not show the same result for the same metric and the sources are the same.
That said, closely look at the dates of that big drop on your chart. It starts in March 2020 (could it be Covid and not Title 42) and kept increasing from then on. Sharlee's chart shows it increasing much, much faster than your chart does.
Now consider who prepared each chart. In her case, it is the unbiased Pew Research Center and for your chart, it is the far-Right Daily Mail. I trust her chart and not yours to represent reality.
WhatI noted that in your other comment regarding this matter.
As I am not inclined to research it further right now, I will say with conviction that if Biden hadn't campaigned on essentially an "Open Border" position and had not on day 1 reversed course on Trump's "remain in Mexico" and "build the wall" efforts, this influx would not have occurred near to the extent it is.
Is that fair enough?
Good question. Wanna bet she didn't chastise Trump the same way she chastises Biden.
I have been outraged for decades in regards to our immigration laws.
Perhaps that is true. But I keep showing you how the border is pretty much the same as it was in 2018 and 2019 - when you thought things were great. The only difference is that you now have outrage, where with similar numbers, you had a much different perception. Perhaps it's not the border that makes you angry. Maybe, you're just angry.
AUGUST 13, 2021
Migrant encounters at U.S.-Mexico border are at a 21-year high
https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2 … year-high/'The large number of expulsions during the pandemic has contributed to a larger-than-usual number of migrants making multiple border crossing attempts, which means that total encounters somewhat overstate the number of unique individuals arriving at the border.'
and...
'A total of 845,307 unique individuals have been encountered year-to-date during Fiscal Year 2021, compared to 796,400 during the same time period in Fiscal Year 2019.'
-Customs and Border Patrol official July 2021 report on immigration of the Southern Border
Going to the source helps sometimes to get an accurate picture.I noticed that the chart in your link shows that when Trump took over, encounters started skyrocketing until May 2019 (most of his single term). Then it dropped back down to Obama levels by July 19. It hit a low in April 2020 (but not the lowest). Then it started skyrocketing again, even in the face of the border shutdown due to Covid. The rate of increase did not slow down when Biden took over in Feb 2021. It is now at it highest rate since March 2000.
I find it interesting you don't mention that 60 - 70% of the huge increase in encounters occurred under Trump, not Biden. Why didn't you say that instead of blaming 100% on Biden and Democrats.
Thanks for the chart. I didn't know that the increase began in May 2020 and not Feb 2021."I find it interesting you don't mention that 60 - 70% of the huge increase in encounters occurred under Trump, not Biden. Why didn't you say that instead of blaming 100% on Biden and Democrats."
I always find it odd at best that you read into my comments, what appears what you think I am inferring. Please note the comment I offered Val.
We were discussing what was currently going on at the border. He pointed out some very interesting facts.
I offered a non-biased chart for him to check out. It does offer the border stats under Trump.
My point --- Biden is president now, and we have a border crisis that has at this point at a 21 year high. According to the chart, this occurred while Biden is our president.
I don't think getting bogged down with he did this is productive to here and now. Just my view.And I countered with the official Customs and Border Patrol stats that note that unique encounters are 845,000 for the year, compared to 795,000 from 2019. Hardly the 'crisis' you claim, unless 2019 was a 'crisis' as well.
After further research ---
Here is the US. Homeland Security stats the chart give Border encounters from 2018 to present. It is clear Trump had a bit of a problem in 2019 at a high in My 2019, 144, 116 encounters one month later showed the numbers at 104,311 by June by July 2019 the numbers showed a steady drop to 81,777 by Aug numbers decline to 67, 707.
It was the summer months. However, checking the stats for 2020 one can see the numbers literally plummeted.
When Biden won the election the numbers started to increase to the rapid incline we see today that is growing each month.
This government chart does offer the numbers of encounters during Trump's presidency, it shows he did have a spike in May of 2019 which he seemed to get quickly under control. In 2018 Trump was working with Mexico to help solve the ongoing immigration problem at the southern border. He came up with Remain In Mexico Program, and in Jan 2019 put it into action. Biden decided against using the Stay In Mexico Program and started to admit those that were waiting in Mexico. And many more migrants made their way across Mexico to enter the US. Possibly feeling they could now wait in the US. As the chart shows the numbers started to skyrocket when Biden became president. The numbers have steadily increased. August's numbers are not out as of yet.
Was it poor decision-making not to keep Trump's stay in Mexico policy? In my view -- it was.
https://www.hrw.org/news/2020/01/29/qa- … o-program#
Supreme Court requires Biden to revive Trump's 'remain in Mexico' immigration policy WASHINGTON, Aug 24 (Reuters) - The U.S. Supreme Court on Tuesday denied President Joe Biden's bid to rescind an immigration policy implemented by his predecessor, Donald Trump, that forced thousands of asylum seekers to stay in Mexico awaiting U.S. hearings.
https://www.reuters.com/world/us/us-sup … 021-08-24/
U.S. Customs and Border Protection
https://www.cbp.gov/newsroom/stats/sout … encounters
In regards to migrants making other attempts after being caught or turned away. Is that not just a talking point that not one has offered any figures on?I'm definitely with you on the stay in Mexico policy. I'd even go so far as to eliminate the possibility of ever gaining citizenship if you were caught trying to cross illegally. Should hopefully encourage people to apply at embassies instead of trying to cross illegally.
The retry rate is listed in most months by Customs and Border Patrol. It's not that the figures aren't offered, it's just that some media sources leave it out so they can drive the outrage machine. For those that see the true numbers, that unique encounters aren't too much higher than 2019, they realize that things are nearly the same as they had been previously.
Maybe Congress can eventually get around to finding bi-partisan solutions to the issue."I'd even go so far as to eliminate the possibility of ever gaining citizenship if you were caught trying to cross illegally."
This I would support in a heartbeat. I do see problems though, as people simply claim a different identity and I doubt that most have any ID at all.
I also doubt that Congress will ever find a bi-partisan solution. While Republicans appear open to some immigration, Democrats mostly seem to work toward unlimited immigration, particularly at the southern boarder. Outside of drug/sex traffickers they seem open to anyone that wants in, particularly if they can construct a sob story to give."Democrats mostly seem to work toward unlimited immigration," - [i]That is because Democrats understand that immigration is the only solution to keep our economy growing. The nativist Republicans would rather have a declining economy than pollute our country with immigrants.
I agree Congress needs to step up and work on our immigration laws. It has been a problem for decades.
I thought Democrats were working towards yet another amnesty plan, so we could start all over building the problem once more.
And Republicans were working towards sealing the border, without much thought on how to handle 20 million people already here illegally.
Although I highly disapproved of Obama's "Dreamer" policy (he simply ignored the law and created a second class citizenry in doing so), he was on the right track in that he made an effort to solve a very real problem instead of burying his head in the sand.I support the dreamer/DACA policy. I think would be the fair thing to do. These children had no choice when they crossed in illegally, and grew up in America, and pretty much know little about the counties they were born in.
I completely support the DACA policy...when legally arranged by Congress rather than an executive order to violate the laws of the country.
We are responsible for the plight those kids are in; we need to step up and correct the problem rather than hiding from it.Why didn't you say that with the tons of illegal EOs Trump issued? You lose a lot of credibility by being so partisan.
I would not have expected that stance from you guys. It's refreshing to note.
Seems if it were a violation of the laws of the country, the Supreme Court would have said so. They did not.*shrug* It is illegal to hire someone in the country illegally. That alone is enough to show that Obama is ignoring the laws of the nation.
Members of SCOTUS have been known to openly take sides based on politics and ethical concerns. Perhaps the court had enough on that case to do what was right rather than what was legal. Assuming, of course, that one agrees it is right to have DACA kids as second class citizens; people that can never vote, never draw federal aid, etc. That can never truly be an American.
Perhaps had SCOTUS took the road that Trump did - deny the legality of those kids - maybe, just maybe, our great leaders on the Hill would have done their job and quickly fixed the problem. But the court did not, so our legislators can still bury their head in the sand and leave tens of thousands of young people in limbo.If it was illegal, while clearly ignoring SCOTUS rulings on the topic, then it must have been some new illegality as Reagan and Bush, Sr. made similar executive actions pertaining to expanding immigration amnesty without Congress. More likely, it's just the latest fake partisan outrage when a Democrat does the same exact thing a Republican does, but they now claim that it's in violation of the law.
Perhaps had Trump rallied his allies in Congress to solve the problem, they would not have had to leave it to the courts to rule against Trump's incorrect denial of DACA. It seems more antagonistic to try and hurt DACA kids by turning their status in the country into illegal immigrants as a way to help them. 'Helping' kids by causing them stress seems pretty sadistic if you ask me.Sadistic. So is punishing a child. So is cutting a cancer out. So is filling a tooth.
Had it worked it would have been one of the greatest accomplishments Trump made; instead Congress once more refused to do their duty so we still have that second class citizenry that can never become Americans even though it is the only country they know. Absolutely shameful!"Sadistic. So is punishing a child. So is cutting a cancer out. So is filling a tooth." - Methinks he has gone off the deep-end and is not out there with Trump
" It is illegal to hire someone in the country illegally. That alone is enough to show that Obama is ignoring the laws of the nation." - And how does it show that since Obama enforced that law? I don't understand.
"Perhaps the court had enough on that case to do what was right rather than what was legal. " - Except that SCOTUS says what is legal, that is their job. Sometimes they really screw the pooch like with Dred Scott or the eviscerated of the Voting Rights Act.Yes, of course. It can be a catch 22 kind of thing when SCOTUS makes a decision contrary to our constitution. It isn't very often (although individual justice opinions is) but it does happen.
As I recall in this case it appears that the major reason for the decision was that too much time had passed to correct the illegal actions of Obama. Could be wrong, though.
Eso, we both know that it is illegal to enter OR remain in this country without express permission. We both know Obama did not have the authority to grant that permission in violation of existing law. We both know that Obama ignored his oath of office (to enforce our laws) in refusing to deport or even find them. And we both know that SCOTUS did some fancy footwork in deciding that because it was allowed to continue it became de facto law in spite of written laws to the contrary. Finally, we both know that it is politics, not law, that is behind the entire sordid affair.
Congress failed to act as they should have, Obama took it upon himself to make law and SCOTUS decided it was OK because no one complained. Ethical, right, moral - DACA is all of those (ignoring Obama's decision to ignore his oath of office)...but it was not legal when created."We both know Obama did not have the authority to grant that permission in violation of existing law. " - Actually, we don't know that since SCOTUS hasn't ruled on it yet - but what rulings they have made in similar situations for Trump seems to say they will find it legal
Thank you --- My very good friend always says"You're a mixed bag of candy --- every time I reach in for a piece of what I feel is your favorite candy, I get a surprise treat. "
Wise friend.
I just learned of my first Covid death that was sort of within my circle, btw. It was the unvaccinated husband of a co-worker of my step-daughter. On top of that, two of my workers are now down with Covid, one in Wyoming and the other one in Tennessee. I think the Wyoming one is going to be OK, but the Tennessee guy was just diagnosed.
I think my company has been lucky. At any given time, we have about 40 employees and only three have come down with Covid; one right at the beginning and then these two.I am very pro- getting vaccinated. I have had to tell several friends, in fact, one of my very best friends I will not see them due to their choice not to get the vaccine. I just can't comprehend why some don't realize how serious this virus is, and could become even more so if let to continues unchecked.
Here in Michigan, we have an over 71% vaccination rate. yet our hospitals are filled with unvaccinated people. Our local news is good about reporting the facts... It still seems many just won't help us stamp the virus out.
.And there are two main reasons for that: 1) Right-wing mis/dis-information (which is why rural America is so unvaccinated) and 2) fear/distrust people of color have of vaccination programs.
Because I am white, I simply don't understand their fear but I accept that it is real.I believe fear is the majority of why some won't get vaccinated. They grasp onto misinformation, and this adds to their fear.
In my view from the start of the pandemic, we were "talked at" instead of talked to... I feel if more information was provided on viruses --- what they are, how they thrive, and how they mutate and change if they can't infect under one variance -- they move on to another. And that mutations have the possibility to be worse than the original virus.
I have talked to many that won't take the vaccine, many just feel the virus will just go away, not realizing it will make every attempt to survive and move from one mutation to another., and the new mutation has the power to put us back to square one. Where the vaccine we have will work no longer, and once again we all will be open to being infected by the new strains. Once again waiting for new vaccines...
Delta will start declining, and by winter we will have a new mutation. We will once again have an increase in the spread, and perhaps a virus that is more able to kill its host.
It would seem all we can do at this point is hope the virus denatures to a lesser strain. I for one do not want to gamble on that.
It is obvious due to seeing breakthrough cases of DELTA that the vaccine is becoming less of a deterrent to the virus. This virus is doing just what viruses do --- adapting with mutations and working to get around the current vaccines.
What we need is education, not indignation. Education could work in two ways -- make one see the very urgency of stamping out a virus that could truly become a virus that will go on killing for years, and that at this point we have a vaccine that will aid in stamping out the virus."I feel if more information was provided on viruses --- what they are, how they thrive, and how they mutate and change if they can't infect under one variance --" - Isn't it true that we have been provided 18 months of information by the mainstream media? I know I have been inundated with information.
The problem is one significant group of the unvaccinated group do not get their information from that source, instead they only listen to right-wing outlets that put out all of this disinformation. I think it is impossible to educate those who don't 1) want to be educated and 2) won't listen to sources that provide the truth.
I think Biden should (should have already) also mandate that people who take public transportation must be vaccinated.
As to the vaccines themselves, it is appearing that three shots are required instead of two in order to give long-term protection, especially for people like me, Old and with pre-existing conditions.
The problem is it has become political.
And of course, it isn't politically correct these days to go the "Proud to be an American"... the Uncle Sam route.
This matter will break down according to political lines as well as religious and personal beliefs.
https://www.ibtimes.com/coronavirus-us- … te-3293196
"If these governors won’t help us beat the pandemic, we will get them out of the way."
Yep, so much for behind closed doors compromises.And what is wrong with that kind of statement about governors who don't care about the health of their citizens. Frankly, I think Biden was being too nice. I would have been more blunt and called them out for what they are - accessories to voluntary manslaughter ( or kidslaughter, as the case may be).
These guys and gals, Ron DeSantis, Greg Abbott, and that SD lady are real sickos.Its confrontational, disregarding the authority of their position and State's rights.
Disrespectful frontal assault on political opponents didn't work overly well for Trump, I doubt it will work better for Biden, whom doesn't have the charisma or populist support to pull it off.
What this will do is muster support to Ron DeSantis strengthening him politically."Its confrontational, disregarding the authority of their position and State's rights." - Even though they are using their position and State's rights to make people sick and kill them? Sorry, I draw the line their. Personally, I think DOJ needs to find a way to criminally charge these menaces to society.
Should England have kept silent about Hitler for the same reasons you give.That doesn't correlate to this scenario.
Hitler invaded foreign nations, enslaved and massacred millions, took away rights and freedoms, instituted a totalitarian regime.
DeSantis is doing the opposite of that, he is protecting choice, he protecting business' rights, he is countering what could be considered a totalitarian effort by Biden to force people to do things against their will.
Biden's comments spin this into the public political arena, which does nothing to move the matter forward to a positive resolution. It worsens the matter, divides the people on the issue, it is of no help.
Treat these Governors with kindness and respect. We've had too much conflict, too much bitterness, too much anger, too much politicization of this issue. Let's put it to rest.
Then go on to incentivize people to get vaccinated, we have been giving away money for a year and a half, for people to sit at home and do nothing.
Incentivization 1 - Proof of vaccination gets you a $1,000 deposit into your checking account, just like proof of paying taxes has done for the Stimulus check. Set up a system where you can prove online you have been fully vaccinated and get paid... this would be good for anyone over the age of 18.
Incentivization 2 - States/Governors that push policies that encourage (not force) people to get vaccinated, States that can prove their population has been 80% vaccinated will get all sorts of Federal Funding for State projects.
I thought these two up in the time it took for me to type them. So if some of the brilliant minds in DC put their efforts into coming up with such ideas I am sure we could be well on our way to making the vast majority of Americans want to become vaccinated."That doesn't correlate to this scenario." - Of course it does, the very same dynamics are at play. In one case Hitler is doing very bad things in Europe leading to death of many people yet English leadership chose to appease so as not to upset Hitler. In the other case, the things DeSantis, Abbot, and others are doing for base political purposes are leading just as surely to sickness and death, yet you propose that Biden appease these bad actors so as to not upset them. The analogy is perfect.
"Treat these Governors with kindness and respect." - [i]You know as well as I do that these political animals do not respond to kindness and respect. Way too many times they have been shown that curtesy only to bite the hand that offers it. In those circumstances you take the other hand and punch them in their face so as to get their attention. Experience shows "kindness and respect" is laughed at by Trumpers and thought of as a weakness.
I go along with #1, but I am afraid that most of those who are still unvaccinated have been offered such things already by Blue and Red governors and ignored them.
As to #2, plenty of governors are doing just as you suggest, but have run up against the same obstinance from those remaining unvaccinated. Mandates are the only took left in the toolbox.
For those that are left, who by their inaction are literally killing 1,500 people a day, the only way to get their attention is to tie their vaccination status with lose of privileges. This is why Biden should have ALREADY made vaccination mandatory to fly, take the train, sail, or drive a truck in interstate commerce. I don't think Biden can do it directly but governors (and a few have) limit indoor activities only to those with proof of vaccination. I suspect Biden could even make a stab at it using the Constitutions' mandate to provide for the Common Good.."For those that are left, who by their inaction are literally killing 1,500 people a day..."
Just my opinion, but I do believe that it is such statements as this that are causing so many to drag their feet. It, among many other statements about the vaccine, is a gross exaggeration of the truth and people do recognize that. The result is a complete disbelief of anything that the "vaxxers" have to say...which means a dislike of being forced to have a dangerous and deadly substance (don't forget that any statements to the contrary are disbelieved) injected into their body."Just my opinion, but I do believe that it is such statements as this that are causing so many to drag their feet. " - I disagree because those who are resisting/refusing are obviously not listening to reason anyway so making the feel guilty is the only recourse left; dragging their feet is what they do.
Just my opinion, but trying to make them feel guilty by lying to them isn't going to work very well. Especially when a few second's thought exposes the lie.
But it WILL cement that they don't want the vaccine. I know; I have loved ones that are refusing to get jabbed and that is one of their major reasons; they don't believe anything they are hearing because so much of what they hear, from all sources, is such an obvious lie."Just my opinion, but trying to make them feel guilty by lying to them isn't going to work very well. " - What LIE? Biden is telling the TRUTH.
You aren't paying attention. Biden is telling the truth, and so is media and even much of the internet.
BUT...the information is twisted, it is incomplete and it is designed to give an impression of things that are NOT true. And that's a lie in my book. An intentional effort to get people to believe what is not true is a lie, no matter what words, body language, partial information or anything else is used.
But, Eso, I did not mention Biden at all - this is the first his name has come up in this conversation. The beginning of the "lie" part was in reference to YOUR statement, where you declared that exaggerating reality was useful because people needed to be scared. https://hubpages.com/politics/forum/352 … ost4203059
That was followed by your own statement about the usefullness of the exaggeration. https://hubpages.com/politics/forum/352 … ost4203089
It was never about Biden's comments, although the same holds true there as well, IMO.
"But it WILL cement that they don't want the vaccine." - The Trumpers are ALREADY cemented. That is a characteristic of being a Trump supporter.
I am quite certain that this has not been offered in our state (yours and mine).
Secondly, don't leave it up to the state, make this a federal program. This is something far more within the realm of the President's domain that can legally be done through Executive Order, rather than trying to subjugate State's Rights.
If Biden really wanted to solve this matter this is what he would do... not politicize it, and insult Governors and people who want the freedom of choice.
Create a Federal Program, once someone has been fully vaccinated, along with that information being added to a database, they go online and enter their code, and they have $1,000 deposited into their account.
Combine this 'Carrot" program with restrictions on Air Travel, Train Travel, International Travel and entry into certain Government controlled buildings and historical sites.
These efforts would result in 90% of the country (over the age of 18) being vaccinated. Those UNDER the age of 18 should be allowed to forego being vaccinated until we have gone further down the road (by a few years) to understanding the side effects the vaccine has caused in young people, causing irreparable harm to some.
The young aren't the ones at risk, the overwhelming majority of people who have died from Covid are over the age of 45."I am quite certain that this has not been offered in our state " - Nope, DeSantis doesn't care enough about us. He would rather you catch Covid10 so he can get monoclonal's which his top donor is invested in.
"Secondly, don't leave it up to the state, " - DeSantis, Abbott, et al are the reason why our founders talked a lot about not giving the States much power. Their observations of the colonies suggested to them that leaving the States in control of their citizens was not necessarily a good thing. Madison especially didn't trust the States to do the right thing.
"The young aren't the ones at risk," - SORRY, the Delta variant has changed that calculus. In Florida alone, the number of children dying has double.
https://711web.com/child-deaths-from-co … e-country/"The young aren't the ones at risk," - SORRY, the Delta variant has changed that calculus. In Florida alone, the number of children dying has double."
That 10 children, with underlying problems, have died in Florida in 6 weeks does not support your statement. Nor does the link's statement that "A total of 486 deaths among children aged 0-18.", not when considering the number of children in the country.
Again, it is this kind of thing that is, I believe, completely turning off the unvaccinated in the country, for they simply cannot believe what they are being told. Your insinuation is that kids are dropping like flies, where the reality is that 10 died in Florida (mostly with other causes) and 500 have died in nearly 2 years. Not something that indicates the Delta variant has made any real change in regards to children.I'm sure parents will be glad when:
...otherwise healthy kids are now facing multisystem inflammatory syndrome about a month after they become infected by the virus. The syndrome, also known as MIS-C, is an inflammation of the heart, lungs, kidneys, brain, skin, eyes, or gastrointestinal organs, according to the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention. The syndrome can also affect individuals with mild cases.
In terms of the Alpha variant versus the Delta variant: 7 children died in the previous 18 months before August in Florida. 10 died in the past six weeks. If you're a parent with children under 18, you tend to worry about their health. That rate of increase of death is definitely something you would be concerned with, regardless of your political affiliation.A good friend was refusing to be vaccinated until his job was on the line. He then researched, to the best of his ability, the vaccines and their results. He finally chose to get the Johnson & Johnson one even though there were reports of 12 women with blood clots...after he figured out that he had a better chance of dying from a lightning strike than from those blood clots.
This is the problem - we exaggerate and use fear to insinuate that the risks are far, far greater than they are. Statements such as you use ("I'm sure parents will be glad when: ...") have no other use than to spread fear and exaggerate the dangers.
And this in turn is being picked up by the unvaccinated and aids in creating/growing their distrust of what they are hearing. Whether true or false, these kinds of comments can only aid in furthering the denial that vaccines are useful and safe, for what is being heard is NOT true. In this specific case, there are NOT large numbers (1% of the vaccinated, or 800,000 cases) of what you are trying to get people to fear. And the disbelief and distrust grows.
As I see it, anyway.I sometimes wonder if that is true of Trump parents. Remember, they are already living in a world of lies, alternative facts, and alternate realities.
Like with the unvaccinated getting sick and/or dying, they won't change their mind until that happens. Trump parents won't worry about their kids, relative to Covid, until it is too late and one of them gets really sick or dies from it.
You, of course, left out the fact that in Florida, only 7 died in the previous 15 months!. Also, why are you blaming pre-existing conditions for caching Covid-19? Aren't they just as dead aren't they? (Sort of like your argument about gun suicides not being gun deaths, lol) Nice bit of misinformation there.
In my opinion, except for those with medical exceptions, the unvaccinated should be prosecuted for endangering society.
And where did I IMPLY anything. I said straight out that the number of kids dying of Covid in Florida has doubled. In fact, it is more than that when you look at the rate. Prior to Delta and DeSantis' go to school and get sick policy,[i] .33 kids died per month. After Delta and DeSantis forcing kids to go to unsafe schools, the rate is an astounding 6.67 kids per month[/b] (I guess you are right, a 20-FOLD increase in the rate of death is not a real change.)
Is it that not enough kids are dying from bad policy yet to warrant your concern?
That link 711web doesn't work. I did run a check on 711web it supposedly acts as a booster to drive traffic to a website. That alone makes whatever information is on that site suspect IMO.
This is a more accurate and reliable site:
https://data.cdc.gov/NCHS/Provisional-C … -hcku/data
I do see a spike in Florida that is concerning, some of which has to do with kids returning to school and increased close quarters exposure, I suspect many states that return kids to school later than Florida (which for most states is Sept 8) will see similar spikes (Florida opened their schools a month ago).
However that does not really change the fact that over 90% of the people dying from Covid are over 45 years of age, while over 70% of the people dying from vaccinations are males under the age of 24.
The risk of myocarditis increased with decreasing age and was more common in males. According to VAERS reports:
For males age 12-17 years, the risk after the second dose is 66.7 per one million, or 1 in 14,992.
This figure does not include other complications or ailments associated to young men getting the vaccine.
https://sciencebasedmedicine.org/covid- … the-virus/
And again, your issue with DeSantis is irrelevant, if the actions I suggested were followed by Biden, it would be out of DeSantis' control, since Biden has instead chosen to attack DeSantis and other Governors directly that are opposing his mandates I can only conclude that Biden is doing this for political gain, rather than trying to address the matter.VAERS is about as dependable as MyEso's link as anyone can go and report information there.
1 in 5 new cases of Covid originates in Florida currently. That failure will lead to more mutations putting the rest of the country in danger. It's not politics, it's public health that is leading to Biden attacking DeSantis for resisting proven measures such as masks and vaccines.And most of those cases result from DeSantis' anti-mask and neutral vaccine stance policies.
Just think what Florida's numbers might be like he had taken the same steps as the governors of Vermont, Connecticut, and Massachusetts did.I have not done the math but Vermont, Connecticut, and Massachusetts all have much lesser populations compared to Florida. I would think we need to consider the percentage of those that were infected per million before we determine how well Vermont, Connecticut, and Massachusetts doing much better than Florida. It is very true all three have the greater part of their population vaccinated.
Death per million Florida --- 2,271
Mass -2,662
Conn -2,361
Ver -- 460
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/us/
It would appear in regards to the death rate in Florida and Vermont have done much better than Mass, and Conn.Does that mean that had Florida taken the steps Mass. and Conn. did they would likely have seen their death toll go up? Sure looks like it...
Yes, it does. I mean with all the severe mitigations one would think it would have cut the death toll in regard to Mass and Conn...
But...but...wasn't the insinuation that had Florida done the same as Mass. and Conn. the rate would have fallen?
As far as Vermont goes, the population density is a small fraction of what it is in those other 3 states. Isn't population density a major factor in the spread of any disease? Is that huge factor simply being ignored in order to make a point that isn't there anyway?Yes, Vermont has a very small spread-out population, which certainly would be a plus to cut down on spread.
LOL, you guys make a great Mutt and Jeff show. Too bad your talents don't include serious analytical abilities.
Let me show you how it is done using Sharlee's Worldometers.
MA:
Highest recent daily death average - 10 per day
MA Population: 6,700,000
Rate 0f Death per million people during the Delta outbreak - 1.5
CT:
Highest recent daily death average - 6 per day
MA Population: 3,600,000
Rate 0f Death per million people during the Delta outbreak - 1.7
VT:
Highest recent daily death average - 1 per day
MA Population: 620,000
Rate 0f Death per million people during the Delta outbreak - 1.7
FL:
Highest recent daily death average - 290 per day
MA Population: 21,500,000
Rate 0f Death per million people during the Delta outbreak - 13.5
So YES, I did imply that had DeSantis done it right, he could have had very low death (or infection for that matter) rates. But he didn't so he effectively killed thousands of people that should not have died save for his stupidity and hubris.
Yes, percentages are much better in this case and by extrapolation, their rates are much better than Florida's.
Also, did you start counting in June or July when the Delta variant started impacting everybody and DeSantis made things worse by being anti-mask and doing the Trump thing - downplaying the seriousness of it all?Good point --- I just had a look at the Worldometer chart. It does appear that when DELTA hit it did raise the infection rate and death rate. That would be the reason Worldometer showed an up tic in deaths per million.
https://www.tampabay.com/news/health/20 … 600-a-day/
Daily New Cases in Floridis and daily deaths by dates
You can see both climbed during DELTA.
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/usa/florida/
Yeah, I couldn't get it to work again either. I found the same article on Politico and it said what I commented back to Wilderness.
"I can only conclude that Biden is doing this for political gain," - You and I both know that is not true, he is not a Trump or DeSantis or Abbott where doing things for political gain is all they do.
The actions you suggested have been tried by others with limited success. Would I oppose trying it on a national level? Not really, I wish he would. But he would get more bang for his buck doing what he is doing plus restricting public transportation to only the vaccinated."while over 70% of the people dying from vaccinations are males under the age of 24." - That is impressive until you are also told there have been only THREE verified deaths from the Covid vaccines. Now it doesn't seem to have any substance.
https://covid-101.org/science/how-many- … n-the-u-s/
"However that does not really change the fact that over 90% of the people dying from Covid are over 45 years of age, " - [i[That may be true now (I will take your word for it), but this also loses its clout when you are also told that use to be age 65. It is clear the Delta variant is killing a lot more younger people.[/i]
This is sobering. 7,225 people died from Covid in the week ending Aug 24. No body is shocked any more. But they sure were shocked when America faced what use to be the highest casualty even from a single cause - 5,400 from Pearl Harbor and 9/11 COMBINED. Look at our response to each of those compared to the ho-hum response from the Right to Covid.
We actually had a bi-partisan solution many years ago but Republicans in the House refused to anything to do with it. Things have only gotten worse since then.
In order to pass something again, the Ds need to either dump the filibuster or get a supermajority in the Senate while controlling the House.
And this is why I oppose maintaining the Remain (and die) in Mexico policy - from Sharlee's link:
The policy allows US border officers to return non-Mexican asylum seekers to dangerous locations in Mexico as their claims are adjudicated in US immigration courts, nearly all without the benefit of legal assistance.
Simply inhumane.
I also do not agree with "I'd even go so far as to eliminate the possibility of ever gaining citizenship if you were caught trying to cross illegally. ". I refuse to penalize people who are desperate enough to make an extremely dangerous journey in order to avoid persecution or death in their own country's. If we do that, we make a mockery of the fundamental value expressed on our Statue of Liberty.
So long as we have radical Republicans in Congress like the Freedom Caucus and Tom Cotton and his decrepit cohorts, there will be no bi-partisan solution. Those days of Republicans joining such an effort are long gone because those that did support such an action have been replaced by Trumpers.So you are wanting to dictate immigration policy based on a poem written 100 years after the founding of the country?
Those same people chose to cross those 'dangerous locations in Mexico' to get to the United States. They already made the choice to risk to be subjected to those dangers. We're not doing anything less humane than they have chosen for themselves already.
And if people are desperate enough to break our laws to get here, what other laws will they be willing to break to survive here? Shouldn't we want a country of people willing to follow our laws?"So you are wanting to dictate immigration policy based on a poem written 100 years after the founding of the country?" - Yes, because it defines what used to be the American character. Under Trump, we basically became assholes.
"what other laws will they be willing to break to survive here? " - Many studies show clearly that they are much less likely to break laws once here than regular American citizens. And that stands to reason because they don't want to do anything to get caught and be sent back, sometimes to die.
In looking at her link, I see the only period Trump did better than Obama is from Sept 2018 until July 2019, not even a year. Yet the Right pretends the May 2019 numbers was the norm for his whole single term - when in fact, it wasn't.
"Yet the Right pretends the May 2019 numbers was the norm for his whole single term - when in fact, it wasn't"
I lean "right"... I offered the non-biased chart. I noted you did not bring up the subject of the article --- AUGUST 13, 2021
Migrant encounters at U.S.-Mexico border are at a 21-year high
Are you ignoring the contents of the article? Or as you put it, pretending the current situation that puts us at a 21 year high?I am definitely going to ignore the 'article' when I have the official stats from Customs and Border Patrol that contradicts the 'article' and explains that the rise is a direct result of Title 42 and that unique encounters really aren't very much higher than 2019, as you continue to either ignore or deny with further responses.
That was a better reply than mine. Thank you.
Nice try at deflection. Don't skim what I wrote next time. I clearly pointed out that this is the conservative solution. That was derived from your comment.
Studies show that Conservatives have an understanding of the value of love and family, but ONLY for their own - not others.
State Department takes a bow and actually did little to nothing to get a family of four out of Afghanistan.
"State Dept trying to steal credit for the rescue of 4 Americans from Afghanistan, organizer says: 'Total lie'
"Cory Mills and a PRIVATE TEAM of military veterans led the effort to rescue Mariam and her three children from Afghanistan".
Senior State Department officials on Monday announced that the "U.S. has facilitated the safe departure of four US citizens by overland route from Afghanistan. Embassy staff was present upon their arrival."
"But those actually involved in the dangerous rescue operation say the State Department deserves little to no credit for Mariam's escape from Afghanistan"
"Cory Mills and a private team of military veterans, drawing on funding by private donors including the Sentinel Foundation, led the effort to rescue Mariam and her three children from Afghanistan, where they had been left behind by the Biden administration, multiple sources with knowledge of Mariam's evacuation confirmed to Fox News.
Mills and his team worked for weeks to get Mariam's family out of Afghanistan after Republican Texas Rep. Ronny Jackson alerted him to the family's plight."
"Mills' team first sought to get the family aboard one of the last government flights out of Kabul, but she was unable to gain admission into the airport. The State Department repeatedly urged the four Americans to go to the airport gate, braving Taliban checkpoints along the way, only for them to be refused admission each time, Mills said.
The final time Mariam tried to enter the airport, a Taliban fighter pointed a pistol at her head and warned her not to come back. Shortly after that, Taliban fighters asked Kabul locals who knew Miriam how they could find her. Mills' team rushed to get her and the children out of the city and into a safe house.
Plan B was to get Miriam and her family aboard a private charter flight from Mazar-i-Sharif airport, but the planes were never cleared to take off. Some private evacuation organizers have blamed the State Department for failing to gain clearance for private charter flights to land in third countries, while Republican Texas Rep. Michael McCaul has blamed the Taliban for the planes remaining grounded.
Mills' final card to play was to travel overland to a neighboring country – the exact country is being withheld to avoid jeopardizing future rescue missions – and attempt to get the family across the border. "
It took multiple attempts and sleight-of-hand tactics that Mills compared to a shell game, but Mariam's family finally crossed the border on Monday – just before the Taliban closed the checkpoint to prevent Americans from escaping, Mills said.
"The State Department's public posture about Mariam's rescue is "absolute nonsense," Mills told Fox News in an exclusive interview Monday. "The fact that they're spinning this, trying to take 100% credit when they didn't track this family, when they placated this family, when the mother, who was under extreme stress and extreme pressure, reached out to the State Department multiple times and got no help."
"A State Department spokesperson, when asked whether the agency is overselling its role in Mariam's rescue, told Fox News in an email: "The Department assisted four Americans depart Afghanistan via an overland route on Monday. We provided guidance to them, worked to facilitate their safe passage, and Embassy officials greeted the Americans once they had crossed the border."
But Mills and others with knowledge of the operation say the State Department is exaggerating its role and had little to do with the rescue mission until the most dangerous part – getting Mariam and her children across the border – was completed.
"This is an attempt to save face by the administration for the Americans they left behind. This is a woman with three children from age 15 all the way down to two years old. And they did nothing to try to expedite this… But at the very last minute you have these ‘senior officials’ at the State Department trying to claim credit for this like ‘oh yeah look what we've done,'" Mills said. "It's like we carried the ball to the 99-and-a-half yard line and them taking it that last half yard and being like ‘look what we did.’" source --- https://www.foxnews.com/politics/state- … -organizer
Many Dems distancing themselves from Joe...
Dem Sen. Blumenthal 'furious' over Biden admin delaying Americans trying to leave Afghanistan
Democratic senator tears into Biden administration for stranding American
citizens -- https://www.foxnews.com/politics/blumen … fghanistanThat is a Fox FakeNews post. In it, it claims that the State Dept is taking 100% credit for the operation. That is, of course, a lie. They came nowhere close to saying that.
When I read the headline I thought about what happened. And that is the story Mills gave. Mills and his group did the hard work, but it seems the State Dept had a supporting role, otherwise they would not have been there to meet them. I will wait until the real news reports on the story.AS the Mother of four claimed she got no help from the Government. Anf Mills said the government did nothing but meet her when she crossed into the other country.
As I said, I will wait until there is a reliable report from an outlet who doesn't have a history of being very biased. If true, then I will call the State Dept. out on it. If not, I will take them at their word that they assisted in some way.
BTW, how did they know to even be at the border?
I also need to know if this Mills guy has an axe to grind with Biden that would color his narration of the story.The other thing I want to know, if true, is story behind the mother getting turned away at the gate four times, especially after being told to go there. But it is one of those things Fox is famous for misreporting.
Oh, I can agree in my view "Mills" and the majority of our present military and vets have an ax to bring with Biden. As does the majority of Americans at this point.
I have no idea as of yet how the State department knew she and her children would be crossing that border.
I am very sure this grateful mother will be interviewed and it will be interesting to hear her story as well as Mill's account...
Can't wait to hear the mother's account of her dealings with the Biden Stae department. I don't believe anything from the Biden White House at this point. In my view, It's hard to keep up with all the mistruths and blunders.
And don't hold your breath the if the mom gives an interview it will be on Fox. They had her on last week after her horrific experience at the airport when a gun was held to her head by the Taliban. I am sure she will tell her story. How she was left behind, the Taliban looking for her and her children... I think she will have plenty to say. Makes one wonder if Americans have already been killed as they are found by the Taliban.Now you know how I feel after watching Trump be orders of magnitudes worse (which you won't admit)
Not exactly ... Seems Cory Mills and a private team of military veterans were mainly responsible for the heroic redcue.
State Department takes a bow and actually did little to nothing to get a family of four out of Afghanistan.
"State Dept trying to steal credit for the rescue of 4 Americans from Afghanistan, organizer says: 'Total lie'
"Cory Mills and a PRIVATE TEAM of military veterans led the effort to rescue Mariam and her three children from Afghanistan".
Senior State Department officials on Monday announced that the "U.S. has facilitated the safe departure of four US citizens by overland route from Afghanistan. Embassy staff was present upon their arrival."
"But those actually involved in the dangerous rescue operation say the State Department deserves little to no credit for Mariam's escape from Afghanistan"
"Cory Mills and a private team of military veterans, drawing on funding by private donors including the Sentinel Foundation, led the effort to rescue Mariam and her three children from Afghanistan, where they had been left behind by the Biden administration, multiple sources with knowledge of Mariam's evacuation confirmed to Fox News.
Mills and his team worked for weeks to get Mariam's family out of Afghanistan after Republican Texas Rep. Ronny Jackson alerted him to the family's plight."
"Mills' team first sought to get the family aboard one of the last government flights out of Kabul, but she was unable to gain admission into the airport. The State Department repeatedly urged the four Americans to go to the airport gate, braving Taliban checkpoints along the way, only for them to be refused admission each time, Mills said.
The final time Mariam tried to enter the airport, a Taliban fighter pointed a pistol at her head and warned her not to come back. Shortly after that, Taliban fighters asked Kabul locals who knew Miriam how they could find her. Mills' team rushed to get her and the children out of the city and into a safe house.
Plan B was to get Miriam and her family aboard a private charter flight from Mazar-i-Sharif airport, but the planes were never cleared to take off. Some private evacuation organizers have blamed the State Department for failing to gain clearance for private charter flights to land in third countries, while Republican Texas Rep. Michael McCaul has blamed the Taliban for the planes remaining grounded.
Mills' final card to play was to travel overland to a neighboring country – the exact country is being withheld to avoid jeopardizing future rescue missions – and attempt to get the family across the border. "
It took multiple attempts and sleight-of-hand tactics that Mills compared to a shell game, but Mariam's family finally crossed the border on Monday – just before the Taliban closed the checkpoint to prevent Americans from escaping, Mills said.
"The State Department's public posture about Mariam's rescue is "absolute nonsense," Mills told Fox News in an exclusive interview Monday. "The fact that they're spinning this, trying to take 100% credit when they didn't track this family, when they placated this family, when the mother, who was under extreme stress and extreme pressure, reached out to the State Department multiple times and got no help."
"A State Department spokesperson, when asked whether the agency is overselling its role in Mariam's rescue, told Fox News in an email: "The Department assisted four Americans depart Afghanistan via an overland route on Monday. We provided guidance to them, worked to facilitate their safe passage, and Embassy officials greeted the Americans once they had crossed the border."
But Mills and others with knowledge of the operation say the State Department is exaggerating its role and had little to do with the rescue mission until the most dangerous part – getting Mariam and her children across the border – was completed.
"This is an attempt to save face by the administration for the Americans they left behind. This is a woman with three children from age 15 all the way down to two years old. And they did nothing to try to expedite this… But at the very last minute you have these ‘senior officials’ at the State Department trying to claim credit for this like ‘oh yeah look what we've done,'" Mills said. "It's like we carried the ball to the 99-and-a-half yard line and them taking it that last half yard and being like ‘look what we did.’" source --- https://www.foxnews.com/politics/state- … -organizer
Many Dems distancing themselves from Joe...
Dem Sen. Blumenthal 'furious' over Biden admin delaying Americans trying to leave Afghanistan
Democratic senator tears into Biden administration for stranding American
citizens -- https://www.foxnews.com/politics/blumen … fghanistan
2022 is approaching and Biden is losing ground pretty quickly
Biden approval ratings drop in seven key congressional districts: GOP-aligned poll.
"President Biden’s approval rating is under water in seven key congressional districts Democrats are defending in 2022, according to a GOP-aligned polling group, a sign of possible trouble for the party as it looks to protect its narrow House majority next year.".
https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/5 … tricts-gop
Fewer Americans Than Ever Think Biden Has A Clear Plan To Fight Covid, Poll Finds
https://www.forbes.com/sites/roberthart … 4472d9b02dAs you would expect from the Right-Wing propaganda outlets they:
"Fox News and right-wing media frame Biden as evil 'tyrant' after vaccination speech"
When Biden finally get tired of the unvaccinated killing so many more Americans and does something about it - this is how they respond (helping even MORE Republican and people of color Americans would get sick or die)
https://www.cnn.com/2021/09/09/media/fo … index.html
In it are more examples of the Right projecting Trump onto Biden.
They project there Trump characteristics falsely on to Biden is "An Authoritarian." or a "Rotting bag of oatmeal ... tyrant." followed with "Very frail and very weak." - [i]which is rather funny since Biden can probably outrun and out exercise any of the idiots who wrote those lies. Further, it was he who made the decision (albeit a bad decision) to finish Trump's withdrawal from Afghanistan{/i]
Also - First time unemployment claims just his a new record low.Since this is the 9/11 anniversary I am going to provide a link to an article I wrote about my experience 20 years ago that makes this date very personal to me.
In dedication to Brian Jack, a friend who was on the plane that struck the Pentagon.
http://hub.me/a7NXMYet another Myth busted about Biden (one that even I bought into): "Biden did not consult with European allies on Afghanistan withdrawal". It turns out he did.
https://www.politico.eu/article/afghani … consulted/Boy, what a sick and disrespectful this disgraced, one-term, twice impeached, former (ugh) president is.
https://www.cnn.com/2021/09/13/politics … index.htmlBlinkin's testimony reinforces the two things I have maintained: 1) that Biden's hands were very tied if he hoped to keep the Taliban from attacking allied forces and what happened was going to happen regardless of what Biden did - EXCEPT 2) beef up American forces to AT LEAST the level Trump was SUPPOSED to have left them at in order to safely evacuate those who needed evacuating.
Blinken said ""Had he not followed through on his predecessor’s commitment, attacks on our forces and those of our allies would have resumed and the Taliban’s nationwide assault on Afghanistan’s major cities would have commenced," Blinken said."
One thing is for very certain, had Trump been in charge, the humanitarian disaster that would have resulted from his pull out would have been orders of magnitude worse than what Biden experienced.Woodward and Costa's new book Peril seems to indicate Bush and Biden had the same type of blinders on regarding Iraq, in Bush's case, and Afghanistan, in Biden's.
In the first case, Bush was going to attack Iraq come hell or high water regardless of what common sense dictated.
In the second case, Biden was going leave Afghanistan as soon as possible regardless of whether it made sense or not.
Both decisions had horrible consequences.
At least in Biden's case, his Sec State and Sec Def both advised not pulling out so hastily (I don't know what Harris' opinion was).
With Bush, his desire to invade Iraq was supported by his VP and Sec Def.
https://www.cnn.com/2021/09/14/politics … index.html
I disagree with the rational both Blinken and Austin gave. Both proposed withdrawal plans that left time for negotiations using our presence as leverage. Biden was afraid that that reasoning would leave to the US never leaving and shut them down.
Again, I think Biden should have understood that:
1. Our presence in Afghanistan is simply a national security necessity to protect America in the long-term. Clearly, Biden doesn't buy that reasoning.
2. If he was going to withdraw, he should have done it from a very strong position and not the very weak one Trump left him in. Unlike Sec Austin who wanted to withdraw (presumably after beefing up) in "stages" so as to use our presence to negotiate a better peace, I would have suggested beefing way up in order to effect a safe withdrawal. forgetting any futile diplomacy. Carefully plan the evacuation of our citizens and green card holders. Give plenty of time to process our allies who wanted to leave since Trump put a stop to that effort. In other words, leave on our terms, not the Taliban's.
I think if option #2, which would guarantee our departure, had been presented to Biden, he might have bought off on it.I have to say, Republicans appear to be one brainwashed group of people. It is a shame, they used to be so intelligent.
https://www.cnn.com/2021/09/15/politics … index.htmlTotal nonfarm payroll employment rose by 235,000 in August, "Jobs report disappoints — only 235,000 positions added vs. expectations of 720,000"
https://www.cnbc.com/2021/09/03/jobs-re … -2021.html
I wish I could say Biden is doing a good job getting people to get vaccinated --- bottom line he is not.
In inflation has is worse monthly..."I wish I could say Biden is doing a good job getting people to get vaccinated --- bottom line he is not." - Yep, here are Biden's Vaccination "Failures"{/i]
91% of Biden voters
88% of Democrats
87% of Democratic Biden voters
86% of people 65+
80% of White college grads
79% of Urban voters
76% of Blacks (in spite of what you read)
71% of all women
71% of Latinos
71% of those between 50 and 64
[i]Yep, a lot of failures there - NOT
Now here are his real "failures":
46% of Republicans who support Trump more than Party
50% of Trump 2020 voters
52% of Rural voters
55% of Republicans
58% of those between 35 - 49
59% of White Evangelicals
You have heard the phrase that "you can lead a horse to water but you can't make them drink it"?
Well, what your criticism requires is that you believe Biden must FORCE Republicans to take the vaccine. Is that what you want for Biden NOT to be a "failure"??How many Americans are fully vaccinated for Covid?
Tracking COVID-19 vaccine distribution: How many people have been vaccinated in the US? So far, 169,592,873 Americans — or 51.1% of the total population — have received the full course of vaccinations necessary to protect against COVID-19, according to the CDC. Aug 21, 2021
This is Biden's failure... I do know he always blames others for his shortcomings. But "Blaming Biden " is the current president.
I am not sure where you got these stats, but I would surmise they are not in any respect stats you can prove.That's some serious BDS to say the failure of the GOP to try and help end the pandemic by getting vaccinated is on Biden. Tell us again when Trump announced he had taken the vaccine. Oh, yeah, he didn't. The media found out months after. Tell us which left-wing media source is taking an anti-vax stance. Tell us which Democratic governor is banning mask mandates and promoting horse medicine after the fact to their constituents.
Your arguments are comical.Trump supported the vaccine from before it was even in the final stages... He promoted it just about every time he took to a podium. Some just chose not to hear. Not even sure how the hell anyone would think he would not promote a vaccine that he constantly took credit for. Some can believe anything they are dished up.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uu8JgYdhXcY
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UM9JvYjPW6o&t=2s
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dk6HNicFnOQI made a very simple statement - tell us again when Trump announced he had taken the vaccine. Please give me one reason why he would not inform his base that he had taken it if he wanted to help stop this virus.
Then why did he hide the fact that he had gotten vaccinated until he was forced to admit it?
I don't say that Trump doesn't occasionally suggest to his supporters to get vaccinated, he does. But when he does, it is generally tepid and not full of vim and vigor. And when he gets booed by his crowd, he caves.I disagree--- Trump from day one was overly bragging about the vaccines --- how he would; get them in record time, how they would be the best ever, how they would save million... Not sure why anyone would think he was against taking the vaccines he went so overboard (AS we know he does with everything) to talk the vaccines up. I personally don't think he ever thought he would lose.
Do you think he would not have worked his butt off to get everyone to take the vaccine? Hopefully, you remember he wanted all back to work, the economy opened. I think he would have pushed to get everyone vaccinated.Right, and then he lost. So then he didn't tell anyone he got it. Didn't start telling his supporters to take it until the end of February. And then he backtracked when his own crowd booed him for suggesting they take it.
Meanwhile, every other living president did their own public service video showing themselves getting vaccinated. He may have been for vaccines as you say, but he seemed to stop working towards that goal once he was voted out of office.I ask again, "Then why did he hide the fact that he had gotten vaccinated until he was forced to admit it?"
I am sorry, but I watch and listen to lots of news from reliable sources and I never say him "work his butt" off on anything, let alone getting people to take the vaccine.
He says as little as he can about the subject so that people can't point fingers at him for not trying. For example:
"Trump Is Finally Telling His Supporters to Get Vaccinated, but It’s Probably Too Late—And It’s All His Fault" - Vanity Fair
After you get through some partisan BS that even I don't like, you get to this truth about Trump
"Of course Trump chose not to do that. Instead, he got his vaccine in secret, and since leaving office in January has refused to do anything more than say during random interviews that he “would recommend” getting inoculated before quickly changing the subject; earlier this month, the Daily Beast reported that “despite pleas from multiple friends and advisers,” he’s repeatedly rebuffed the idea of mounting “anything resembling a real effort to get his supporters vaccinated,” as it would be helping Joe Biden. "
Hide the fact he was vaccinated? He had COVID, so did his wife. Why do you feel it is so important that make a political photoshoot?
Trump is in no respect a politician... Perhaps you should consider the daily task force reports, and the OWS summit that was a full day of information on "everything about the Vaccine was presented"... The public had the opportunity to be educated by those that had the expertise to educate. I prefer to hear from the experts. The Summit was in Dec 2020, Trump spoke several times and certainly went overboard to encourage taking the vaccine. The full summit can be found on Cspan.
From the very start when Trump negotiated the research of the vaccines, he has not only hyped them but also was taking credit for them before they were even developed... at every public setting he made from Dec 2020 on, he claims the vaccine would "get rid of COVID... Maybe you just did not listen?
I will drop the subject at this point. it is obvious we won't agree.
I was very pleased after watching much of the OWS full-day Summit. It's how I became knowledgeable on what was being done in regards to the vaccine, and what would be done in regard to it being dispensed when it became available. I became aware it would be a lifeline to ridding the country of the virus.
I could have cared less about watching Trump being vaccinated. In fact, in my eyes, it would have looked very phony. I don't like or never have appreciated photo ops. In my book that is an old politicking maneuver, I can do without. Trump was not and is not a politician, and this is one of the reasons I respected him. He offers up his view, he is not scripted. I so respect a man that can stand up and speak his thoughts. Even if I don't agree, I feel it shows strength. A strength I appreciate.
His words from Dec on meant so much more than a photo-op could have. His task force, his OWS gave me an education on everything COVID and the vaccines that he promised...
It meant so much more than watching a man that as a rule hides from public view, and the media, be dragged out to take a shot in the arm.
Just saying... Like I say time to drop the subject. You have shared your view, and I have more than shared mine. You appear to appreciate a visual, I prefer being well educated over a visual. You frequently compartmentalize Republicans, their characteristics, and so on. This very discussion has pointed out something very interesting. In my view, Republicans delve deeper and look past the emotional hype liberals dessire overall. You needed that photo op, I need information. Very curious.Sharlee: You are right, he is not a politician. In my book, he is a used car salesman who will try to sell you a defective car, by lying and appealing to your fantasies.. He has done that with the "Biden stole the election lie" and the Jan. 6 lie.
He has successful divided this country into those who believe everything he says and those who are not buying his lies. Even at this moment in time, he is still perpetuating those lies.
He has even made members of congress silent because they know he is lying, but they are too afraid of losing their constituents who believe him.
He is a divider and conqueror, not a politician. You respect him, but he does not respect the representative democracy that is the bedrock of this country. In my book, he is destroying it for his own personal gain to sell you a defective used car.
He can't accept the fact that he lost the election and doing so, he has convinced half of the country he isn't lying. History shows politicians move on from when they lose, Trump does not because he is not a politician.You deflect, we were discussing Trump not announcing that he was vaccinated. It seems when a good point has been presented, most liberals deflect. So, this makes it hard to converse on a given subject. Feels like a finger in ears, humming moment, and like somewhat of a time-drain However...
I don't think the majority of Republicans believe or at this point are even thinking about what you call the "big lie". The weekend failed protest can attest to that. Were all looking forward to 2022, and feel our prospects are good and getting better daily.
We can agree to disagree on who and what is dividing the country. I feel this is the oldest Dem ploy they have in their handbook. And are using that ploy in overdrive for over 5 about ten years now.
It is very clear Trump has not accepted the results of the last election. I don't agree he has convinced half the country on his theory. I do think many at this point that voted for him, could care less about the big lie, but would just prefer he was still in the White House, and you are most likely right Trump's mindset is that of a non-politician, and that could be why he will not move on.
At this point what is dividing the country is watching a president trash our values, and all for power...
This sickens me to the core, and I can only hope many American's feels my very sentiment.Sharlee: I didn't think I deflected. Here is what you said why you respect Trump:
"Trump was not and is not a politician, and this is one of the reasons I respected him. He offers up his view, he is not scripted. I so respect a man that can stand up and speak his thoughts. Even if I don't agree, I feel it shows strength. A strength I appreciate."
I believe that "strength" that you respect and appreciate is the very reason I don't like Trump. That strength and speaking his thoughts in the form of constant lying is why we did not get an early start on tackling the virus.
In my view, Biden is a politician who is trying to unite the country after Trump has divided it. He has reached across the aisle many times but has been rejected almost as many times. That is McConnel's and his senate and the House Freedom Caucus' mission and so far, they have been very successful in their mission.
https://www.cnn.com/interactive/2020/10 … t-tracker/Here is the first part of the paragraph you quoted --- I could have cared less about watching Trump being vaccinated. In fact, in my eyes, it would have looked very phony. I don't like or never have appreciated photo ops. In my book that is an old politicking maneuver, I can do without. "Trump was not and is not a politician, and this is one of the reasons I respected him. He offers up his view, he is not scripted. I so respect a man that can stand up and speak his thoughts. Even if I don't agree, I feel it shows strength. A strength I appreciate.
ECO and I were having a ground about Trump not announcing the date he was vaccinated, and he feels if he had announced that he took the vaccine (which he did a time later) it could have worked to get more people on board to get the vaccine. Ultimately, I was too wordy.
I can see my context could open a door to discussing Trump's personality or character. I apologize for the misunderstanding.
It is amazing we could be so topsy turvy with our opinions. I also agree McConnel will put up a fight like never before. The Republican party is aware of a split of its own. And it will put McConnel on a tightrope. As will all Republicans that will fight hard to keep the people at home happy.And now Trump just made it harder for Republicans in trying to instigate a revolt against McConnell inside the Republican caucus.
"I don't think the majority of Republicans believe or at this point are even thinking about what you call the "big lie". " - I think ALL of the polls say your wrong on that claim.
For example, look at questions 5 and 6. This is what I think all polls reflect:
https://www.ipsos.com/sites/default/fil … 202021.pdf
I am not sure that link will work. It said:
5. The outcome of the 2020 election was due to a rigged election: D-5%, R-56%, I-16% (what do Ds and Is know that Rs don't?)
6. The 2020 election was stolen from Trump, Strongly Agree plus Somewhat Agree: Ds-10%, Rs-61%, Is-19% (again, what do Ds and Is know that Rs don't?)"At this point what is dividing the country is watching a president trash our values, and all for power... " - Again, this is a great example of projecting Trump on to Biden. Biden is nothing like what you feel but Trump fits it to a "T"
"This is Biden's failure." - SORRY, you can't measure Biden's vaccination failure when your side is mainly responsible for it. But since you keep bringing it up, I can only surmise that your solution is for Biden to FORCE Republicans to get vaccinated?
Wilderness - Do you agree with Sharlee that Biden needs to FORCE Republicans to get vaccinated?
"I am not sure where you got these stats, but I would surmise they are not in any respect stats you can prove." - Why would you think that? I have never lied to your before, have I?
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/meet-t … s-n1277514NBC News poll says it all... I have never claimed I support "forcing anyone to be vaccinated. I have talked about further educating the public on viruses --- what they commonly do, and the fact this virus could be dangerous due to we know little about it. I support respecting individual's rights.
If more were educated in the virus's true nature, more might certainly step up and be vaccinated. Biden has done nothing but more or less lower his head, and in a creepy whispery tone admonish, placate America's. This kind of attitude does nothing but anger people. IMO, his very demeanor evokes mistrust.
At this point, lawsuits are pouring in against Biden's mandates...
States begin filing lawsuits against vaccine mandate
https://www.businessreport.com/business … ne-mandate
Biden is a divider, not sure how this ploy will work in the end... He ran on division and is still pushing that form of politicking."I have never claimed I support "forcing anyone to be vaccinated." - But you imply it. By calling Biden a failure for not getting Republicans to get the vaccine, you only leave one option for him to succeed. Mandating the everyone get vaccinated. So you don't have to say it directly when you leave no other choice.
"If more were educated in the virus's true nature," - How much more can you "educate" people. They have been bombarded with that information since March 2020. Now, I will admit that if all these people listen to are the Right-wing propaganda outlets then I suppose it may be possible they haven't been educated about the virus since so many on the far-right think it is fake anyway.[/i]
"At this point, lawsuits are pouring in against Biden's mandates...
States begin filing lawsuits against vaccine mandate" - That is no surprise. Many Republican governors like Abbott and DeSantis are driven to do things to make there citizens catch Covid. Since a mandate will help prevent people getting sick and dying, it is understandable these idiots would file suit.
Biden is a Uniter. Unlike Trump, Biden ran on and still promotes in every speech he makes about uniting the country. It is just that your side doesn't believe in it."I have never claimed I support "forcing anyone to be vaccinated." - But you imply it. By calling Biden a failure for not getting Republicans to get the vaccine, you only leave one option for him to succeed. Mandating the everyone get vaccinated. So you don't have to say it directly when you leave no other choice.
I feel mandates do impinge on an individual's rights. As I have stated, I feel if better education in regard to viruses, and the new vaccines could work to get more people to take the vaccines. Talking down to people, as a rule, will only work to provoke anger.
I am afraid I will disagree about Biden being an uniter. I have followed (as I have all president) speeches, and or public statements. I find he divides with a not-so-subtle blaming techneque. He pits one against the other and his demeanor borders on smug. Now, keep in mind this is my view. As a rule, I come away from his speeches feeling angry... I don't care for the creepy whispering or his at times, red-faced indignation."I feel mandates do impinge on an individual's rights. " - Then you should stop saying Biden has failed at getting Republicans vaccinated if you take away his only option to do so. Instead, you should be applauding him for doing as well as he has given the headwinds the Republicans are putting in front of him.
As to "talking down" to people. Clearly talking nice to them using sound reason, logic, and science doesn't work. What do you want him to do, simply ignore these governors as they make their people sick or kill them?
As Biden is apparently unable to bring the country together with his vast statesman abilities it would appear that the only other choice, if vaccination is desired, is to force people to do it.
Personally I would be very much against such force, but then I'm against most of Biden's idiotic policies.But forcing Republicans to take the vaccine is Sharlee's solution, not Biden's.
Well, as I said, you can lead a horse to water, but you can't make them drink it. Biden has led Republicans to the water, but many of them have chosen to die of thirst.
Stripped of the gross exaggerations, and the false insinuation that it is only Republicans refusing the vaccine, you are right.
But your question was whether Biden needs to FORCE republicans to be vaccinated, and I answered it as best as I could. Your post here ignores that entirely in favor of insulting Republicans while ignoring any (valid or invalid) thoughts they might have.You are correct, there are a few black and Latinos who are scared to get the vaccine, but by and large, it is Republicans, mainly Trump supporters that are responsible for the almost 2,000 daily deaths we are experiencing. BTW, where was the "gross exaggeration"?
Why don't most Republicans need insulting? They are destroying democracy as I write with their belief in Trump's Big Lie aren't they? It certainly isn't Democrats or left-leaning Independents who are doing that."You are correct, there are a few black and Latinos who are scared to get the vaccine..."
Odd; last I saw blacks and Latinos were badly under represented in the ranks of vaccinated people. For whatever reason, they are simply not getting vaccinated. Do you then see blacks and Latinos as mostly Republicans?Well let's take a look.
- 76% of Blacks have had at least one dose
-71% of Latinos
Can you tell me why only 55% of Republicans claim to be vaccinated.
or how about mostly Republican-leaning Rural areas at 52%
or mostly Republican-leaning White Evangelicals at 59%.
What's wrong with Republicans? Do you understand now why I keep pointing the finger at them?
Hmmm, again you are short on facts. The important number is that under Biden's watch, he has filled 3.79 million jobs in 7 months and dropped UE rate to 5.2%!! AMAZING!
WOW! When Biden took office, the Dow was around 30,000. Today, it is almost 35,000 - 16% growth in just 7 months. Compare that to Trump and Obama
Obama: 8,001 - 10,608 - 33%
Trump: 19,827 - 21,798 - 10%
Biden: 29,983 - 34,751 - 16%
Trump sort of sucks, doesn't he?
https://www.forbes.com/sites/chuckjones … c98a811cd8
Biden's 1st and 2nd Qtr growth far outstrips those of of Trump and Obama. (Now, other commenters would leave it that just that in order to mislead the reader, but I will not there are major caveats such as Biden is bouncing back from the great Trump recession and Obama was still in the midst of the great Bush recession)
https://www.businessinsider.com/biden-e … wer-2021-8
Biden's economy is pushing through the Republican amplified effects of the Delta variant.
- Retail Sales are still expanding (although inflation muddies the picture, a fact that other commenters would have left out in order to mislead the reader)
- Initial jobless claims are still at a pandemic low
https://www.cnn.com/2021/09/17/investin … index.html
-- Got America well on its way to putting the pandemic behind us
Well, that was a bit premature.
- Started the economy growing again.
And this was going to happen no matter who the President was, once the lock downs were eased and people were allowed back to work.
So this in effect is "nothing burger".
So lets get to it then.... not what has he tried to do... not what did he want to do... not what has he said he will do... WHAT HAS HE DONE?I do agree that that was a bit premature. Who knew so many Republicans (and a few others) had a death wish (almost 2,000 a day right now) and refused to protect themselves, their families, and those around them.
"once the lock downs were eased and people were allowed back to work." - Didn't that start to happen in June 2020 under Trump's watch? No, we are talking about real economic growth, not the bounce back Trump experienced.
What has he done? I recently listed a small sampling in response to a Sharlee comment.He had done nothing but talk., and hide from the media... and create more problems, almost daily.
Here is ECO list of accomplishments
So, in seven months:
Then there is getting out of Afghanistan, which most Americans wanted. Even though its implementation sucked, he still did it (unfortunately)
Getting a bi-partisan infrastructure bill almost across the finish line, which most Americans wanted
He rolled out vaccinations far beyond anybody's expectations or what was planned by the Trump administration. He made huge gains until Republicans ground it to a mere trickle. And don't go blaming Biden for that UNLESS you agree he should have forced it down every American's throat. ( actually, he just can't accomplish getting many to get vaccinated. Possibly due to all the confusion and mixed messages from His own administration.)
He rejoined the WHO ( we are once again footing the bill for a do-nothing organization)
He rejoined the Paris Climate Agreement and took charge of saving the world from a climate disaster where Trump gave up our authority and actually tried to make things worse.
( yes Dito we are once again paying for a due nothing organization)
He sped up getting the J & J vaccine on-line. MARCH 2 2021 ---"Biden Administration Announces Historic Manufacturing Collaboration Between Merck and Johnson & Johnson to Expand Production of COVID-19 Vaccines" https://www.hhs.gov/about/news/2021/03/ … cines.html Really, By April 2021 - " White House writes off Johnson & Johnson vaccine after a string of production failures) https://www.politico.com/news/2021/04/2 … ine-484356
Got the Covid-19 Hate Crimes Act passed --- (Horono's bill) Last I knew Presidents did not write bills...)
he passed the $1.9 trillion Covid relief bill, --- (A Gimmie)
Now it would take hours to list all the problems Biden has caused due to his incompetence.
I think we all pretty much know about each and everyone due to most media outlets are no longer hiding them.Now this is the point I was making with that question (last post).
I am not interested in what he has almost done.
Trump ALMOST got them to rescind/invalidate/overturn the ACA, but he didn't. And this was a primary reason why people voted for him and many other Republicans.
When RINO sellouts like McCain went against what they had promised their constituents they would do, and upheld the ACA despite running against it... one can understand why there was such backlash against Republicans in 2018.
Yes Trump pushed the Republicans in Congress into making some amends, but they are only temporary. Without killing the ACA completely, eventually it will be restored to its original form.
Individual mandates will be restored, "work requirements" to Medicaid will be removed and costs for those forced to use the ACA will go back to being unchecked.
Trump didn't get the Border completed, again, this was a situation he improved, but it was temporary, as soon as he was out of office any gains and improvements made were undone on day 1 of Biden's Administration.
Trump DID accomplish some things:
The Tax Cuts and Jobs Act – the largest tax reform package in history.
Doubled the standard deduction – making the first $24,000 earned by a married couple completely tax-free.
Doubled the child tax credit.
Virtually eliminated the unfair Estate Tax, or Death Tax.
He improved some Trade Agreements that helped the economy then and now, making American made products more competitive both here and abroad.
So again I ask what has Biden done so far?
Not almost done. Not that negatively impacted the country.
So far you can give him credit for getting us out of Afghanistan.
Whether you feel that is a positive or not, is another matter.
The Infrastructure Plan, the Green New Deal???
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Biden's major economic agenda items hang in the balance this week as Democrats continue "intense discussions" on their $3.5 trillion spending plan and some Republicans are warning that their support for the $1 trillion bipartisan infrastructure bill could evaporate if Democrats ‘linked’ it with reconciliation.
It took a long time for moderate Republicans and Democrats to come together and agree to a bipartisan infrastructure bill. They got the President to commit to it. The Senate passed it, and then the House said if they can't jam through a three-and-a-half trillion dollars of other stuff they're not going to do it.
Right now, Biden is residing over a completely failed effort to get anything at all done by Congress. The country is weeks away from an economic meltdown if things don't get done very soon. When things get done, and they legitimately help and move things forward, then you can start praising Biden."When RINO sellouts like McCain " - [i]Sorry, as I have proved before, the only RINOs are Trump and those that support him. There are very few true Republicans left who actually believe in what Republicans stood for from 1950 to 1994. That is why the death knell for the Republican Party is being sounded.
As to what Biden has done in a short 7 months, I guess you didn't go back and look at the list I provided Sharlee.
The "The Tax Cuts and Jobs Act – the largest tax reform package in history." was not passed by September 2017 and why do you perpetuate the LIE that it was the largest? I don't believe it ranked in the top five?
What it did rank #1 in is being the largest give-away to the wealthy and rich corporations. As to helping the Middle Class, it probably ranked near the bottom of all of the tax cuts. That certainly is a bad choice to use as an example. In fact, you have ZERO examples for Trump because he didn't do a damn thing in his first seven months accept piss of our allies and embarrass himself and America in front of the world.Biden in my view has done nothing as you more or less pointed out. He will be lucky to get the infrastructure bill. Pelosi may hold out for many months, but we both know the 2022 elections are looming large. And I don't think she will have a win with her Build Back Better leach. Many Democrats want to keep their own jobs. They need a win and have to step very carefully not to run the very rich from their home states.
Biden has a new crisis weekly... I don't see any light at the end of his tunnel. I see lots of investigations coming his way in 2022.The Democrats get an even bigger margin of control if they can get the Infrastructure and Green New Deal/Build Back Better 3.5 trillion dollar spending spree (of which a trillion or so will go back into election coffers).
If they fail to raise the Debt ceiling, if they fail to pass the Infrastructure bill... if these do fail, the economy will begin to fail as well... the wave of Independents & Republicans come 2022 will be larger than in 2010.
If I am reading things right, there will be a major sell off in the stock market starting sometime next week. The Big Boys are getting antsy seeing the looming fiasco the House is causing with its failure to pass anything. They are going to start pulling profits, that will cause the stock market to dip, possibly crash like it did in March 2020.
And with the failure to raise the Debt ceiling, I don't see Janet Tellin' Yellin or Jerome Pow Pow Powell coming to the Market's rescue this time.I agree the stock market will start to pull back, it would seem many would think the luck is getting shakey, and take the safe route of pulling cash out.
At this point, Pelosi seems hell-bent on getting her way. I would think if the market turns she may be willing to wheel and deal on
her reconciliation bill.
Raising the debt limit would just let us keep paying back our creditors. However, if we don't raise the debt limit could it cause the US to default on some of our current obligations, and trigger a huge crisis in the financial system? Seems we are in a pretty good trick bag.That's the interesting thing, the market broke down out of its wedge on Friday.
That gives a roughly 70% chance of what will initially be called a correction, but will more likely turn in to all the heavy weights grabbing their profits helping to facilitate the crash.
There are more smalltime investors in the market right now than at any time in history, millions of them are Robinhood types that are leveraged up to their eyeballs... they will be fleeced to the tune of billions of dollars if the market goes south next week.
With the Democrats playing politics with both the Debt ceiling and the Infrastructure bill, they have tied the hands of the dynamic duo (Tellin Yellin and Pow Pow Powell) to be able to jump in there and counter the fleecing of retail investors like they have been doing since March 2020.
I expect a massacre on Wall St. next week. I think every fool who put his life's savings the past couple of years having never traded stocks before and all the young people who think trading stocks is easier than working for a living are about to learn a life lesson... for many... it will be their ruination.
But I could be wrong, the next couple of weeks will tell.Those that are leveraged will. Those who can afford to stay in the market will just wait for it to bounce back like it always does.
This will be a permanent crash/correction... I'm thinking several factors could cause up to a 30 percent loss across the board, with it taking 3 to 5 years to reach these heights again.
Only a handful of companies will hold their value.
Most are in dubious positions because of the rapidly changing technology that is impacting everything from banking to autos to energy. Quite literally half of the companies that have dominated for a century will disappear by 2030... Wells Fargo, GE, GM are examples of legacy companies i don't expect to see make it.
"With the Democrats playing politics with both the Debt ceiling " - Democrats Really? Who is it that is telling anybody who will listen that they will not lift the debt ceiling? Can you spell Republicans? When Republicans needed the debt ceiling raised, Democrats went along. But when the Democrats need it ...
{b]Dow down 500 points on fears of Biden getting tough with China.[/b]
500 points, while a lot, isn't what it used to be. So let's see if the rest of your prediction pans out.
I will note that historically for the Biden 8 months, the market declined 1,194 points just prior to the inauguration
1,038 points the last week of Feb
1,190 points the week after May 7
1,146 points between June 7 - Jun 18
1,025 points the week of Jul 15
All the while growing 5,642 points between Jan 29 and Aug 16
Since that high, the market (not counting today) has fallen 1,040 points in the last 24 days.
I don't understand why you keep bringing up the dead-in-the-water Green New Deal? Is that simply to mislead the reader?
We will see about the stock market.Like I said he has a crisis almost daily... Today as you predicted the stock market. Looks to me like China’s property bubble roiled global markets big time. And the rich are pushing back and pulling cash out. This may turn out to be one more variable that could affect Joe's Build Back Better BS bill. Pelosi digging in, and now a decline in the market. This should work to trash the reconciliation bill.
One thing I have learned when you push big business with threat of higher taxes---
they push back. The rich don't get rich being stupid. I think the timing was just right with this market to pull back The rich at this point are playing their "Trump card" so to say.
Biden is totally ruining the country --- and the joke is on us... A majority gave this man the keys to the White house. 2022 can't come soon enough."Biden is totally ruining the country -" - Another example of projecting Trump on to Biden
It is you that is projecting, in my view. Take a look around at all the headlines... Nothing to do with Trump.
I do, and Biden is clearly not "ruining the country". But Trump did and you are trying to project his failure on to Biden when you don't have the facts to back you up.
All was going wonderfully well up to the pandemic... Not sure why you feel it was not, nor will I argue the point. You are far beyond common sense logic in my view.
Hopefully, you got a chance to watch Biden's UN speech... What a horrible embarrassment.Yes, I watched/listened to most of it. Since I don't have BDS, I heard a great speech.
I still don't understand why you think Trump was doing a good job while the only people who think so are in your conservative silo. The rest of us, 60% which includes many real Republicans, think he ruined America.
And he cemented that understanding by organizing the insurrection on Jan 6.
Took a quick peek at Biden's Job Approval. It is still on the upswing, but the daily Rasmussen keeps it depressed. Had a couple of polls that put him at +1 and a couple of others in the -2 range.
Also noticed that the Generic Congressional Ballot moved a skoosh more in the Democrats favor.Sept 23 -- no real change --- The latest figures include 25% who Strongly Approve of the job Biden is doing and 46% who Strongly Disapprove. This gives him a Presidential Approval Index rating of -21. (see trends)
Again, that is from a Republican-biased Rasmussen poll.
Which polls do you prefer? I have found today most are very similar, and that it is clear Biden is having a real problem if these polls are to be believed. Which polls are you following in regard to Biden?
I am not sure why you have a problem with Rasmussen, as a rule, they are very much in line with RCP, so I question your concern. For instance today Sept, 23 Rass --- The Rasmussen Reports daily Presidential Tracking Poll, sponsored by The ANTIFA by Jack Posobiec, for Thursday shows that 45% of Likely U.S. Voters approve of President Biden’s job performance. Fifty-four percent (54%) disapprove.
You provided the RCP average of 46 from yesterday which was very much similar to Rasmussen's 45%.
https://www.rasmussenreports.com/public … rack_sep23
https://www.realclearpolitics.com/epoll … -6677.html
I will be more than pleased to use RCP stats. I never see much difference.
Sharlee: I call this a force multiplier. What started out as a lie ended up as a conspiracy theory that created huge doubt in Biden's election win and Jan.6. It is now still alive and well by those who still believe Trump and company lies.
https://www.nytimes.com/2021/09/21/us/p … 2e1c7daa33I am very aware many believe the last election was fraudulent. I do not feel that fraud was any higher than any other election.
I feel the media helped Biden get elected, with a very aggressive Trump-bashing agenda. It worked, that is clear. Not sure many that voted for Biden have buyers remorse. Much is coming out about the origin of the Russia Russia Russia grift. Is that not what started the media's quest to ruin Trump? Hey, it's water under the bridge.
At this point, I am having a hard time keeping up with today's news. So, much is not reported or underreported. It takes real research skills to find the truth.
I do agree many do believe that there was a fraud committed.I totally agree that there are many that believe the election was stolen. No arguement there at all. And many have a true bias against Biden, as many did with Trump. The mistruths ran wild in regard to Trump, media nightly making claims he was considering with Russia and collated to win the election. This was also nothing but a conspiracy. Yes, it was well proved Russia put out propaganda on social media and hacked several political systems. But there was no conclusive that Trump did not collude with Russia or was he charged with anything that the Democrats claimed he had done. New York finally got his taxes, Trump had not broken any taxes laws... Is it the left media claimed would become a problem for him.
It would be hard not to notice the turmoil that has been created during Trump's time in office, and now Biden's months in office. It well appears to me media has a huge hand in the turmoil we now live under.
Statements are taken, changed up to meet the desired agenda --- and Abracadabra we have a raging conspiracy... A grab or teaser to keep one tuned in.
I think many have "been had" Very hard to keep the truth from fiction, but some work harder than others... So, yes, we have many that believe in the Trump election conspiracy and those that bought into Hillary's Russia Russia Russia conspiracy. I did not buy into either.
So, where do we all go from here? Wonder if common sense will ever resurface.
You do know, don't you, that many of the Democratic or Democratic-leaning billionaires support higher taxes on them.
I will have to agree that Biden has faced many crises in his seven month, and handled most of them well. But, unlike Trump, he didn't manufacture them himself. Instead, they were thrust upon him by outside forces (such as so many dangerous Republicans refusing to protect themselves, their spouses, their children, their friends by getting vaccinated. (You notice I didn't bother including strangers in that list since they don't come on to Republican radar scopes.)
Personally, I don't think the progressives have enough guts to actually tank the bi-partisan infrastructure deal. That said, Democrats have been known to do some self-destructive things in the past. I am not sure they have doing anything so stupid as the Republicans' fealty to Trump and their support of the insurrectionists
"Biden is residing over a completely failed effort to get anything at all done by Congress. " - Yet another sad false statement. Why do you keep making them when you know they are not true?
" are no longer hiding them." - You mean the Right-Wing propaganda outlets are actually talking about Bidens great accomplishments? I find that surprising
"Now it would take hours " - Why would it take hours since his "incompetence" (sounds like you are projecting Trump again) hasn't led to any problems.. Now, if you want to talk about bad decisions, I will agree he has a few:
1. Pulling out of Afghanistan in the first place
2. Given the pull out, not surging back to the levels Trump was supposed to have left them at in order to effect a more orderly withdrawal.
3. Sticking with some of Trump's border policies.
4. Although the whole story isn't out yet, but it seems he could have handled the Australian nuclear sub deal better. I have had to wonder why wasn't France part of the deal in the first place? But then I am not privy to all of the machinations.
That is all I can think of and none of them rise to the level of Trump-type incompetence.
I did leave out another accomplishment. Actually getting a bi-partisan infrastructure deal put together." are no longer hiding them." - You mean the Right-Wing propaganda outlets are actually talking about Biden's great accomplishments? I find that surprising" Please read my statement once again -I was pointing out most media outlets are covering all of Biden's blunders, and problems, most of which he created all by himself.
my comment-- Now it would take hours to list all the problems Biden has caused due to his incompetence. I think we all pretty much know about each and everyone due to most media outlets are no longer hiding
them.
The infrastructure bill has not pasted. I certainly agree we need an infrastructure bill and hope he gets a win. Now, the reconciliation bill, I feel needs to be shaved, we are accumulating too much debt for my confront, and yes much was added by Trump. Just ready to say cool the spending for now. We have just come out of an expensive pandemic, and need to get people back to work, not dependent on Government. Both presidents did a good job providing stimulus and helping people make it through this hard period. I feel it's time we, American's buck up pull together and get back to work.By bad, I related your comment to the list of things Biden has done and not the preceding sentence where you bring up his problems.
I agree with what you say about both the bi-partisan and the reconciliation bills.
Biden Poll numbers ticked up again over the weekend in the RealClearPolicitics averages. He is only 3.9 points upside down. His low point was 4.6.
Other interesting data regarding Favorability:
1. BIDEN: 45.6 - 49.6 - 4.8
2. Harris: 41.4 - 49.8 - 8.8
3. Trump: 40.7 - 53.0 - 6.3
4. Pelosi: 33.8 - 55.4 - 10.8
5. Schumer: 31.5 - 44.0 - 24.5
6. McConnell: 21.0 - 60.5 - 18.5
7. McCarthy: 20.7 - 36.7 - 42.6
The third figure is undecided.Y'all might be interested in what I just tweeted out
Whoever reads @joebiden's twitter should let him know that long time supporters and donators like me are becoming disillusioned with him. IMO, the #AfghanistanDisaster and #Haitian disasters were unforced errors. These are black stains that may dominate an otherwise great start
That is the kind of fair analysis that you will never see from a Trump supporter because they think he is like the Pope - infallible.How is the Haitian disaster unforced? When Joe announced he would work towards citizenship for all illegal aliens in the country, when Joe allowed 12,000 illegal aliens to enter the country and camp on American soil, when Joe allowed them to disperse through the country, When Joe exhibits (hopefully fake) dismay at Border Patrol doing it's job...how is it "unforced"? Joe has encouraged exactly this kind of disastor from people wanting in since his campaign! His entire concept is centered around a basically open border, with anyone wanting in being welcome to come!
Homicides rose 30% in Trump's last year and 24% for his term. Hopefully President Biden can bring that back down a lot.
Chicago -- As summer winds down, Chicago is on pace to have its highest annual murder tally in a quarter century. https://www.wbez.org/stories/at-summers … 85daa98fa0
Through Tuesday night, according to CPD figures, the year had 524 murders — 3% more to date than 2020, a year when gun violence swept through cities across the country after the pandemic’s arrival and George Floyd’s killing by Minneapolis police. Chicago appears headed toward its highest annual homicide count since 1996, when murders totaled 796 at the tail end of a crime wave fueled by crack cocaine.
LA --- The city of Los Angeles in July recorded 48 homicides, by far the highest monthly count in at least a decade.
Baltimore City Council, Residents Outraged About Crime As City On Track To Hit 300 Homicides For 7th Consecutive Year
https://baltimore.cbslocal.com/2021/07/ … cide-rate/
After decades of declining violent crime, Minneapolis recorded 84 murders last year, up from about 48 in 2019, and a toll not seen since a dark chapter known as the “Murderapolis” years. The 67 murders so far in 2021 are on pace to surpass that.Sep 11, 2021 https://www.pbs.org/wgbh/frontline/arti … eneration/
Seattle - With a crime rate of 52 per one thousand residents, Seattle has one of the highest crime rates in America compared to all communities of all sizes - from the smallest towns to the very largest cities. One's chance of becoming a victim of either violent or property crime
here is one in 19. https://www.neighborhoodscout.com/wa/seattle/crime
July in Portland set new record for shootings as intervention efforts crawl forward https://www.opb.org/article/2021/08/09/ … l-forward/
Philly surpasses 300 homicides in 2021 amid record pace and search for solutions https://www.phillyvoice.com/philly-homi … -violence/
Atlanta passes 100 reported homicides in 2021 https://www.fox5atlanta.com/news/atlant … cides-2021
Detroit remains among nation's most violent big cities, FBI statistics show
https://www.detroitnews.com/story/news/ … 883984001/
Please note that all of these cities are Democratic-leaning cities...
So the shell game of Crime is down under Biden is just that a shell game... Look here, not there... I don't think those that live in the cities I mentioned could be convinced the crime rate is down.
Stats can be fine on paper, but not so much when you live in a crime-ridden Democratic city. Makes one wonder how these cities remain Democratic.
Denver -- DENVER (KDVR) — After a record year for Denver crime in 2020 and national violent crime wave, the numbers keep getting worse post-pandemic. https://kdvr.com/news/local/denver-crim … last-year/https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions … ey-appear/
The polls are further tanking... No air at this point.
President Joe Biden receives a negative 38 - 53 percent job approval rating,
the response to the coronavirus: 48 percent approve, while 50 percent disapprove;
the economy: 39 percent approve, while 55 percent disapprove;
his job as Commander in Chief of the U.S. military: 37 percent approve, while 58 percent disapprove;
taxes: 37 percent approve, while 54 percent disapprove;
foreign policy: 34 percent approve, while 58 percent disapprove;
immigration issues: 25 percent approve, while 67 percent disapprove;
the situation at the Mexican border: 23 percent approve, while 67 percent disapprove.
When it comes to Biden's personal traits, Americans were asked whether or not Biden ...
cares about average Americans: 49 percent say yes, while 48 percent say no, compared to 58 - 37 percent yes in April;
is honest: 44 percent say yes, while 50 percent say no, compared to 51 - 42 percent yes in April;
has good leadership skills: 41 percent say yes, while 56 percent say no, compared to 52 - 44 percent yes in April.
More than half of Americans say 55 - 42 percent that the Biden administration is not competent in running the government.
Roughly one-quarter of Americans (29 percent) describe the economy as excellent (2 percent) or good (27 percent), while 69 percent describe it as not so good (35 percent) or poor (34 percent).
https://poll.qu.edu/poll-release?releaseid=3824
https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/bi … al-rating/
I am grateful to see so many American's are realizing Biden is not suited to be president.Sharlee: So you would rather have the country fail under Biden than succeed with him? Yes that makes real sense, since we have three more years to go with him and when he fails, the country fails.
Welcome to the upside down world we live in. Mitch McConnel is the minority leader of the senate, but yet he has the power to stop us from paying our bills that were accrued last fiscal year. Further, he has the power to lower our credit rating on the world market. It all makes about as much sense as cheerleading Biden to failure.I certainly have no power to change the fact Biden is the president. I have no control over how he governs. I am certainly very pleased to see many American's are judging him for his poor job performance. He certainly could have made more sound decisions, he makes his own problems, then ignore the problems he creates. He has done that his entire career in Washington. We went back and forth before he was elected on why I felt he would make a poor president. I also said I hoped he would do well.
There is no if he fails, he has failed... In record time.
The Democrats have the House, Senate, and the White House. Maybe they need to offer an amount of how much the bottom line is on the Debt ceiling, why would the Republicans give the Democrats a checkbook with no limits? I truly hope the Republicans sink his agenda. I do not agree with Biden's Build Back Better Bill in any respect. I do support his infrastructure bill, as do the majority of American's. I don't want the US to become a big old welfare country. And the polls are showing again the majority of the country does not support BBB... Guess many like democracy, and are not willing to give it up, as easily as the Democrats felt they would.
I pray the Republicans to stay very strong...
Never wanted him to fail, but sure the hell won't support a man that is clearly not presidential material.
As I said when he was campaigning, he just does not have what it takes to be president. I wished more would have done their homework, and not let emotions overtake good sense.But the Republicans only believe in lies. How can they be strong?
Sharlee: You are right. It is where you look.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics … li=BBnb7KzThe comment -- That seems ridiculous --- whatever
Was in regard o ECO's post where he claimed all Republicans are liars...
My response = That seems ridiculous.
https://hubpages.com/politics/forum/352 … ost4205786
I read your link, and I guess we will need to wait and see how the year proceeds. Not sure I am optimistic about his accomplishing anything.
I see a big brewing problem that's heating up --- China/Taiwan, a very unstable economy, and more... America has weakened its standing on the world stage. Too much instability to be optomiistic in my view.""America has weakened its standing on the world stage." - Yes, that is true and Biden is trying to repair that.
That would be your opinion. I feel he has tarnished American's good name, and he is just getting started.
"In fact, he is SUCKING the life out of our democracy, but you know that already and support him doing it.'
Again we have a new president one that proves each time he comes into daylight that he is confused, and just has little awareness of what is going on around him.
Yesterday Biden visited Illinois to push his vaccine mandates to the Windy City, things quickly went off the rails.
First Biden gets confused about which state he is in and talking about. Then, he talks about being on TV last night, with a person at an emergency hospital ward. Could it get worse? Yes --, he warns of massing people and losing hundreds of jobs due to his vaccine mandate. Sadly, he wasn’t confused in this clip, he meant what he said.
Could it even get worse? Yes --- Joe Biden, 78, said of Ms Lightfoot: "Mr. Mayor, thanks for the passport into town.
"I tell you, every time I come to the Greater Chicago Area, there's somebody I want to steal and bring back to Washington. "I've done it a couple of times."
https://www.express.co.uk/news/world/15 … linois-ont
https://www.shorenewsnetwork.com/2021/1 … -illinois/
IMO --- he appeared very confused throughout the speech and seems to be getting much worse.No, that is the opinion of the world. https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2 … 10-charts/ (and this is before his debacle with the Ukraine)
Even a casual observations of Biden prove this opinion wrong - "Again we have a new president one that proves each time he comes into daylight that he is confused, and just has little awareness of what is going on around him."
Yes, Biden is prone to gaffes, has been all his life. May have something to do with is stuttering. But leave it to Republicans to turn a compliment into something bad. The reason we don't pay much attention to Right-Wing criticisms of Biden's demeanor is that they are still escusing Trumps horrible behavior to this day.
From what I see, Binden is very much on the ball.
It certainly is ridiculous that Republicans have stooped so low. But, the evidence bears this out.
Hell, they called Graham a liar because he said something like 95% of the people in South Carolina hospitals are because they are unvaccinated. That certain seems ridiculous to me that Republicans could be such lies.Let's present the context of my comment --- Why I made such a statement I was responding to this ---
ECO --- " But the Republicans only believe in lies. How can they be strong?"
IMO, This sentiment in my view is ridiculous.
Context matters and my response is clear -- I feel it ridiculous to accuse or compartmentalize an entire group of people. "Only believe lies" ...But the truth is, Republicans, writ large, do believe in lies. Poll after poll after poll substantiates this fact
Sharlee: Trump supporters still believe that Biden stole the election from Trump. They also believe that storming the Capitol and trying to stop the certification was a patriotic response.
This is not just a small collective group. They represent the masses, thanks to Trump rallies and MAGA news. Now Trump and his cohorts want to deny the subpoenas to bring them to justice by claiming executive privilege.
His masses will believe that Trump has the right to do that as well. Trump has created an upside down world of politics. He and his cohorts believe they are above the law. The sad thing is they may be able to get away with it because he has put the GOP into a spell where they feel beholden to him. Actually he has put a large part of this country into a spell who believe his big lies and conspiracy theories.
Mitch McConnell thinks his mission in life is to stop Biden from being successful, just like he tried to make Obama a one term president. Welcome to the upside down world where the minority has more power than the majority and where losing an election is winning an election. Where big lies are believed as the truth." Trump supporters still believe that Biden stole the election from Trump. They also believe that storming the Capitol and trying to stop the certification was a patriotic response. "
We have agreed that many Trump supporters feel the election was stolen. . There are also many I will remind you many Republicans that do not believe the election was fraudulent still very much support the Republican party, as well as Trump if he should run.
This is not just a small collective group. They represent the masses, thanks to Trump rallies and MAGA news. Now Trump and his cohorts want to deny the subpoenas to bring them to justice by claiming executive privilege."
Yes, I think you are correct there is a sizable number of people that still go to Trump rallies, and will support him.
I will leave the problem of subpoenas to the folks ordering them. It appears Trump has already filed a lawsuit, which I would respect he would do. It is clear he will not cooperate with the mainly Dem committee in any respect. I don't blame him, some on that committee were involved with the Russia hoax mess. I believe Trump will be made to follow the law in regard to being sarcopenia if he losses his lawsuit. That's a wait-and-see.
Trump has had several investigations that he has been exonerated. From the Mueller investigation to New York finally getting his taxes and seeing there is no there - there... Maybe it's time to just realize hehas not been charged with any of the crimes the Democrats have accused him of, and move on. My Gosh, this all seems so very foolish. Some her go on and on claiming Trump is above the law... He just has not broken any laws. I find it belligerence and unfair to continue to just accuse this man of crimes he has not committed. I think it shows a true lack of intelligence to accuse someone of crime after crime with no evidence. One would think after seeing any and all investigations have fallen flat,t you would give up. Whatever.
Mitch McConnell has offered the Democrats a chance to get it all together.
And yes, it is his job at this point to stop Biden. What would you think he would do? He represents the Republican party. We don't want anything Bidden is trying to push through. He had better try his very best to cause gridlock
And you are wrong the Dems have the Congress as well as the White House.
Democrats may lack a majority large enough to overcome the 60-vote threshold that has become all but required to pass major legislation through the Senate, they can use budget reconciliation to pass the bill with just a simple majority vote. But the process would complicate their end plan to push Build Back Better — reconciliation provisions with complex rules could mean that the Democrats will have to cut out tons of policy elements that are core to Biden's agenda. Just opens a very ugly can of worms.
Like Mitch said to Chuck --- you Democrats can do it on your own. I trust Mitch will do his job., I have faith in him."Trump supporters feel the election was stolen. ...." - Yes they do - because Trump has manipulated them into believing that because of the Big Lie (and the many variations of it) that Trump has been spewing for the 6 months leading up to the insurrection. But, they are adults and should know better; they should know they are being lied to, just as you should, but they chose to be deluded by his siren song of racism, bigotry, zelophobia - all those things that Hitler used to persuade the German people to follow him. In the end they are ultimately responsible for their illegal behavior and should be punished harshly for it.
"Trump has had several investigations that he has been exonerated. ..." - Do you know what the word "exonerated" means? It means "absolve (someone) from blame for a fault or wrongdoing, especially after due consideration of the case." Well, Mueller did not "exonerate" Trump (or his campaign) of anything,
1. Mueller specifically said he did not exonerate Trump for obstruction of justice and
2. Mueller did not say he exonerated Trump or his campaign (which was the main thing being investigated) for conspiracy. What he did say was there was not sufficient to charge anybody with conspiracy beyond a reasonable doubt - that is a far cry from "exoneration"!
Also, NY has not let go of Trump yet. I fully expect NY to indict him.
"Like Mitch said to Chuck --- you Democrats can do it on your own. I trust Mitch will do his job., " - So you agree that the Republicans have no moral or ethical responsibility to stop the country from defaulting. Interesting to know
If you are grateful now, why weren't you grateful with "so many American's were realizing Trump is not suited to be president" then? Seems pretty inconsistent to me.
I was always very pleased with trump's governing. I actually felt very secure with him in the White House. I guess it may be because he was very much a man that was about American's and making things better here in the US.
I found him not to be afraid to face challenges, and avoid problems, as well as solve the problems. he was transparent and could care less if someone did not care for his decisions or his opinion. he did not have a phony bone in his body.
So, I guess if I could have viewed him as I do Biden I would have been with you... But Trump was not a walking disaster like Biden. I was more than pleased with Trump's job performance and was getting very accustomed to his bellicose personality.
I must say I feel much better week after week, as polls come in. It may be Joe will be out in one term or before if the Republicans take Congress back in 2024. It can't come soon enough for me.Actually, the statement was "If you are grateful now, why weren't you grateful with "so many American's were realizing Trump is not suited to be president" then? Seems pretty inconsistent to me.
It was not if you liked Trump's policies.
"I was always very pleased with trump's governing. " - Yes, we know, even though facts to do not support that opinion
"I actually felt very secure with him in the White House. " - Maybe you did, but I sure didn't and neither did most of the world. He was a loose cannon that was one insult away from starting a war
"I found him not to be afraid to face challenges, and avoid problems, as well as solve the problems." - [i[I do agree with the first phrase. As to the second, he certainly didn't avoid the problems he caused, he doubled down on them. I am sure he solved a problem or two, but by and large, he made them worse, like the pandemic.[/i]
"But Trump was not a walking disaster like Biden. " - Yep, you are correct, Trump was much worse of a disaster
"he did not have a phony bone in his body." - I do not disagree with that, but he also has no honest bone in his body, no moral bone in his body, no ethical bone in his body, no empathetic bone in his body, he just has bone spurs to get out of serving in the military.
You do know don't your that there are hundreds of thousands of people around the world who feel about Hitler today as you do about Trump. And if you don't like the Hitler comparison, substitute millions for hundreds of thousands AND Putin, Assad, Xi, Maduros, pick your dictator for Hitler.I offered my honest opinion. Not much more I can say. I need not defend my true opinion.
It is obvious we don't agree. However, I must say I feel a much better week after week, as polls come in. it shows many are of my mindset in regards to Biden's job performance.It would certain add to your credibility if your opinion was grounded Fact rather than a fantastical view of reality.
Overall Approval - Biden still better than Trump in spite of all of the volatility.
Foreign Policy Approval - Even after Afghanistan Biden is no worse that Trump.I forget. I makes no difference to you how bad people thought Trump was doing, so long as you didn't.
He can't be, Trump already did - and is still doing it.
Eso, stop living in Ozland and LIVE IN REALITY. Biden SUCKS.
Isn't that what I have been saying to you, except the one that SUCKS is Trump. In fact, he is SUCKING the life out of our democracy, but you know that already and support him doing it.
Well, let's have a look at all Biden has provided America.
A failing economy Disatreous Jobs report just today
rising gas prices up 40% highest in 7 years
COVID is running out of control
A disastrous withdrawal from Afghanistan
Leaving American's behind in Afghanistan
Wide-open southern borders with hundreds of thousands just walking across monthly. Many with COVID!
(The 208,887 migrant encounters mark a 317% increase over last August)
American citizens are being threatened by Biden for being cautious and involved over what goes on in their children's schools.
Biden demanding the DOJ and FBI become involved. This is pure federal Government overreach and tactics that resemble a communist regime.
Phony green deal while we stop gas companies from pumping In the US Biden pressures OPIC to pump more... Last I looked the Middle east was part of the planet. So, is it not ridiculous, and hypocritical in regards to our big effort to save the earth, that we ignore the fact it does not lessen our earth's polution by pumping in a different part of the world...
I call this half-ass-backward... or as I say to my grandson --- That's silly - silly. LOL
And then there is China, and North Korea, and Russia, and France ------ All very (to be polite) much aware of the fact Biden is just not up to the job.
I could go on... The country is a mess.Cautious and involved? Since when is threatening another American called cautious and involved? Excusing the violent tendencies of the right is getting to be a habit, and not a good one.
"Well, let's have a look at all Biden has provided America.
A failing economy Disatreous Jobs report just today
rising gas prices up 40% highest in 7 years" - And that is a great example of why your "opinions" are only based on your BDS and extreme bias against Democrats or anything democratic. In those few words you made one lie, a complete misreading of the report, and reference to something Biden as little do with and only mention because it sounds bad.
1. The economy is demonstrably not failing and you know it so that makes it a lie.
2. The jobs report was nowhere close to being disastrous, that is simply your extreme BDS showing itself. A "disastrous" report would be one where jobs were lost. A believable opinion would be that the report was "disappointing" regarding the new jobs and GREAT regarding the UE rate falling to 4.8%,
3. As you well, Biden as little control of the price of oil or gas so your biased complaint is simply a red herring. As everybody who has a minimal understanding of economics knows, oil prices, and therefore gas prices, are primarily driven by demand and/or speculation. Since speculation is not a factor right now, you seem to be complaining that demand for oil is WAY UP. Why do you find that upsetting?
"COVID is running out of control" - YES, thanks to stupid, unvaccinated Republicans. Even Biden can't cure stupid.
Afghanistan? Agreed
Leaving Americans behind? Agreed
"Wide-open southern borders with hundreds of thousands just walking across monthly. " - This is a Right-Wing lie which you propagate. The borders are, in fact, closed and "hundreds of thousands are NOT JUST walking across the border - that is simply a lie To quote DHS "U.S. land borders with Mexico and Canada will remain closed to nonessential travel through Oct. 21, the U.S. Department of Homeland Security confirmed Tuesday. "
"American citizens are being threatened by Biden for being cautious and involved over what goes on in their children's schools." - This claim is a lie as well
"Biden demanding the DOJ and FBI become involved. " - Biden, thank God, is not Trump. He isn't demanding ANYTHING of DOJ or FBI. That CLAIM is a lie as well.
I have no idea what you are talking about regarding "green deal". Biden opposes the Green New Deal.
And finally we get to an opinion, not based on fact, but an opinion nevertheless about what Chine, et all think.
By my count, you had one unsupported opinion and two reasonable claims about Afghanistan. The rest was just Right-wing propaganda based on Right-wing lies.
I say again "Homicides rose 30% in Trump's last year and 24% for his term. Hopefully President Biden can bring that back down a lot."
All I can do is offer the fats I offered. it's your prerogative to deny them.
Not sure how you can dispute the information I provided on the Democratic states showing numbers that are in some cases historic.I am not sure what facts you offered. All I read were opinions not based on facts.
All have stated, stats - all are from local news from the cities that crimes stats were committed. Point well proved. I realize it's hard to defend these Democratic cities. So, why even try?.
Chicago -- As summer winds down, Chicago is on pace to have its highest annual murder tally in a quarter-century. https://www.wbez.org/stories/at-summers … 85daa98fa0
Through Tuesday night, according to CPD figures, the year had 524 murders — 3% more to date than 2020, a year when gun violence swept through cities across the country after the pandemic’s arrival and George Floyd’s killing by Minneapolis police. Chicago appears headed toward its highest annual homicide count since 1996, when murders totaled 796 at the tail end of a crime wave fueled by crack cocaine.
LA --- The city of Los Angeles in July recorded 48 homicides, by far the highest monthly count in at least a decade.
Baltimore City Council, Residents Outraged About Crime As City On Track To Hit 300 Homicides For 7th Consecutive Year
https://baltimore.cbslocal.com/2021/07/ … cide-rate/
After decades of declining violent crime, Minneapolis recorded 84 murders last year, up from about 48 in 2019, and a toll not seen since a dark chapter known as the “Murderapolis” years. The 67 murders so far in 2021 are on pace to surpass that.Sep 11, 2021 https://www.pbs.org/wgbh/frontline/arti … eneration/
Seattle - With a crime rate of 52 per one thousand residents, Seattle has one of the highest crime rates in America compared to all communities of all sizes - from the smallest towns to the very largest cities. One's chance of becoming a victim of either violent or property crime
here is one in 19. https://www.neighborhoodscout.com/wa/seattle/crime
July in Portland set new record for shootings as intervention efforts crawl forward https://www.opb.org/article/2021/08/09/ … l-forward/
Philly surpasses 300 homicides in 2021 amid record pace and search for solutions https://www.phillyvoice.com/philly-homi … -violence/
Atlanta passes 100 reported homicides in 2021 https://www.fox5atlanta.com/news/atlant … cides-2021
Detroit remains among nation's most violent big cities, FBI statistics show
https://www.detroitnews.com/story/news/ … 883984001/
Please note that all of these cities are Democratic-leaning cities...
So the shell game of Crime is down under Biden is just that a shell game... Look here, not there... I don't think those that live in the cities I mentioned could be convinced the crime rate is down.
Stats can be fine on paper, but not so much when you live in a crime-ridden Democratic city. Makes one wonder how these cities remain Democratic.
Denver -- DENVER (KDVR) — After a record year for Denver crime in 2020 and national violent crime wave, the numbers keep getting worse post-pandemic. https://kdvr.com/news/local/denver-crim … last-year/Yes, and all of that happened under Trump's leadership.
Each of my resources is current and reporting on 2021. Actually, many using 2020 as a comparison to how much crime has risen. So, perhaps you might want to read my stats instead of just ignoring them.
Sharlee:
"In my view, he is the problem. Yesterday he visited Illinois, and he clearly did not even know what state he was in. He was visibly confused and just floundered through the entire speech."
If I told you once, I told you a thousand times don't exaggerate.
You are a stickler for context, right? Well here is Biden's speech without context and the announcer makes him look like a bumbling idiot. That is probably what you saw on Fox News.
https://youtu.be/iNqFCOASIt0
But here is the entirety of that speech. You can start at around 14 minutes and see he like anybody else was having trouble pronouncing peoples names for the first time. However the rest of the speech was just fine. He did not flounder through the entire speech as you say and he even knew what state he was in.
I can see why you like Trump because you exaggerate just like he does, where every thing that isn't Trump is a disaster (One of his favorite words). He calls his lying truthful hyperbole.
https://youtu.be/NUVGD2X6gzII watched him live, and once again a full 39 minutes on youtube to make sure I heard what I heard. I always feel one can't derive an opinion from short clips or a few sentences. I like to witness one's demeanor, physical appearance, and a complete before and after any statement to get a good idea of context. I am aware of let's say UK and AU media like to put together all negative in regard to Biden, as do many media outlets. So, to watch your link makes little sense to me. I don't respect this form of media.
Do you find I misquoted Biden? I did not in any respect exaggerate his words or his demeanor. One does not need to exaggerate or embellish when it comes to the many odd inappropriate statements Biden has made. Why open that door, he has such a long and growing list of such statements.
I certainly am not willing to ignore Biden's words especially when they are inappropriate to a given subject or conversation. Again did I misquote Biden?
Today, Once Again Biden Will Not Take Question That Is Important To American's --- He appears to only be able to concentrate on what he is told to concentrate on. WE THE PEOPLE DESERVE ANSWERS. This has become inexcusable. The jobs numbers were dismal this morning, and the president should have responded to the questions in regard to this ongoing economic development.
President Joe Biden turned his back on reporters and walked away as they shouted questions on Friday following his remarks on a bleak September jobs report.
Biden, speaking from the controversial set across the street from the White House, offered his signature "may God protect our troops" closing line before quickly exiting as reporters yelled questions over each other.Sharlee:
"I like to witness one's demeanor, physical appearance, and a complete before and after any statement to get a good idea of context."
So you must have a really good idea of Trump's demeanor, physical appearance, and complete before and after statements, like mocking a special needs reporter by flaying like a spastic, calling journalist the fake news and enemy of the people, playing the victim, slurring his words, sounding like a third grader when reading from a teleprompter, not completing sentences, and making tangential run on sentences and inciting violence to just to name a few.. Near the end of his term, he became his own press secretary, because he didn't trust any of them.
"WE THE PEOPLE DESERVE ANSWERS"
I'll take Biden's answers any day compared to Trump's weasel wording and constant lying with his truthful hyperbole. You do realize that he is on the record for lying and misinformation for over 10,000 times during his four year period?
There are two things you need to know. Trump is not going away, therefore he will be talked about as long as he stays in the limelight. The more you criticize Biden the easier it is to bring up Trump's behavior as a president and as a person and the folly of the hypocrisy.Did you approve what Biden said to a Black radio show host "you ain't black enough if you are not voting for me... And Are you a junkie?
I did not approve of Trump's mocking a special needs reporter. I totally agree with him that we have lots of misleading fake news.
It is very apparent you dislike my post. The point of my comment was not to compare one president against another. I find this habit just a way of deflecting. You can't defend Biden's actions so you just revert to insulting Trump. This does not address the subject --- Biden, and his inability to answer questions.
In my opinion, you can't defend Biden, so you just revert to insulting Trump. It's very obvious Biden can't be defended in any respect.
So, please just know, I am concentrating on current news... You sort of waste your time dredging up such old news. That's just my opinion." "you ain't black enough if you are not voting for me... " - Yes, in poor taste and as he said, "he shouldn't have tried to be a wise guy.. It wasn't a mean thing to say like Trump was in the habit of doing all of the time (which you excuse)
"Are you a junkie?" - Another example of taking things totally out of context and misleading the reader with it.
And the reason Trump is brought up all of the time is to highlight the hypocrisy of your mostly unwarranted criticisms.Sharlee: I don't think you realize the hypocrisy about criticizing Biden. Most everything you criticize Biden for can be said about Trump. The hypocrisy is when Trump did it, you were O.K. with him.
Make no mistake, you know as well as I do, he is not going away. He is like a parasite that just hangs on. Therefore, even what I say about him in the past is still current. It is not a deflection to defend Biden. It is to point out the hypocrisy of how you see Trump. His steal the election is current. He won't let it go. His insurrection is current with the subpoenas' for him and his cohorts in crime.
If you were served a subpoena, would you ignore it and claim executive privilege if you knew you were innocent and had nothing to hide? The fact that he and his cohorts are lawyering up is an admission of guilt in my book. None of them including Trump hold an official government office. He can afford the best lawyers in town. That's how he gets away with everything that he has been charged with. It's another form of white collar crime.
But you choose to ignore my previous comment about him and the subpoenas. Part of the hypocrisy is that you and Trump supporters see him through rose colored glasses. We see him with a very clear lens.
He is going to be very much in the news from this point forward with his rallies; revenge for those who didn't support him; never letting us forget about his stolen election; and controlling the GOP by having voting laws at the state level changed in his favor for re-election by using the excuse of rigged elections. Trump is not going away and neither is Biden for another three years, so it will be easy for me to point out the hypocrisy of your comments about Biden.
https://www.usnews.com/news/best-states … eport-saysCome on this is laughable --- "Most everything you criticize Biden for can be said about Trump. The hypocrisy is when Trump did it, you were O.K. with him."
perhaps I should take a stroll down memory lane and find the comment I offered when both men were campaigning. I clearly pointed out and gave lengthy examples of Biden having every characteristic that somewhere disliked (hated) about Trump. And I might add Buden being in Washington, and in the public eye, my task was very easy finding all the information I needed to prove my point.
So, no I have not been a hypocrite... I have time after time pointed out Trump's "character crimes" as well as Biden's... I have time after time offered the reasons I voted for Trump.
You just must not read my comment --- I have said time and again I don't think Trump is going away, I gave a long explanation of why I felt he won't be going away. Once again short version Hid huge bae, and the Republicans party will support him, the Republicans like me will support him due to his job performance. So none last time I agree < Trump is here to stay.
You don't defend Biden as you say --- you compare Biden to Trump... That is so obvious, read a few of your posts.
"He won't let it go. His insurrection is current with the subpoenas' for him and his cohorts in crime."
No, he won't... No one has charged Trump with an insurrection, have they? Did I miss something? It baffles me how you hold on to I" if comes' in regard to Trump. You continue to accuse him of crimes as do others here, yet he has been exonerated from all accusations thus far.
As he will from this insurrection accusation. I did not ignore the comment in regard to the subpoena. I addressed it and offered my opinion. he has filed his own lawsuit to fight the subpoena. That's where it stands at this point. I do not speculate as to a rule. I have no idea where Trump's count lawsuit will go. And I don't think you do either.
he has been doing weekly rallies, and they are being covered on CSpan in full. So, yes he will be in the news. He still is claiming the election was rigged. At this point, he is offering the report that was Done in Arizona. Hopefully, a journalist will review the report in full, and offer some stats and an opinion.
Is Biden going away, I will offer an opinion. If the Republicans take back Congress in 2022 Biden will be slammed with an impeachment. If they don't win in 2022 Biden will be around until the next election. But who knows, he may step away on his own.
I am very sure you will continue comparing Trump to Biden. But in my book, it makes for boring conversation.
In my opinion, Biden is dangerous to America, especially with China rattling its chains... We need a strong president, with all his senses. I can see nothing but one disaster after another with Biden in the White House. So, I will borrow your words, but change them up to my point of view.
So it will be easy for me to point out the hypocrisy of your comments about Trump... Although it will matter little. Trump is not the president, that is doing so much serious damage to America. Damage that will take decades to repair.Sharlee, the fact is that you have defended Trump vociferously over the last 4 years. If you actually said an unkind word about Trump, it got lost in the overwhelming volume of accolades you have issued, regardless how bad his actions were. It is like losing the word "peaceful" in his FIGHT laden-exhortations before sending his mob off to the Capitol.
"At this point, he is offering the report that was Done in Arizona." - ???? You do know don't you that the AZ report exonerated Maricopa County. Trump's just too stupid to realize it.I have not actually found the report, only the media blurbs. So, I do not know the details of the report. I have always said I did not think there was enough fraud to change the outcome of the election. However, I will try to locate the report and read it.
Yes, I have certainly defended some of what I found to be untrue in media reports. It was easy due to having the internet and being able to dig for the truth. Just like I used the internet to research Biden.
Sharlee: Trump has already done the damage that will take decades to repair and is continuing to do more damage to our representative democracy. You have mentioned many times about you being pleased about Trump's performance. Did you know that Biden is doing exactly the same thing as Trump when it comes to tariffs with China?
Trump claims his tariffs increased our economy by billions and now Biden is saying the same thing. They are both wrong. When we import goods from China, we the importer pay the tariffs and those costs are passed on to the consumer.
You have mentioned Trump's performance has increased your 401K. Have you ever asked how he did that? Obama got us out of the financial meltdown by recovering the economy, Trump was taking credit for Obama's recovery policy. It's funny, according to Trump the economy was going down the tubes under Obama. Immediately upon taking office without doing anything, the economy suddenly got better under Trump, even the unemployment rate went down according to him.
You see this is an example of Biden and Trump doing the same thing and under Trump it was the greatest thing since popsicle sticks and under Biden he is damaging America and it will takes decades to repair (your words). I rest my case.
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa- … SKCN1SR1UIHow long will it take to remove the thousands of illegal aliens Biden scattered around the country in violation of our laws? 50 years? Forever?
Another lie not even worth giving a serious answer.
What? You think they entered and parked under the bridge legally? You think Biden has not scattered some 12,000 Haitians through the country? Or do you think they will be gone within a year when we can't find them?
Which one is a lie?Wilderness: How about the thousands of children who were separated from their parents by Trump's zero tolerance policy. How long is going to take to find them and re-unite them with their parents? The answer is never because we have no records about them left in this country on their own while their parents were sent back to their country of origin.
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/migrant-ch … 021-10-10/What part of your answer tells me which of my post is a lie? That Trump did this or Trump did that means that Biden did not spread 12,000 Haitians through the country? That Trump did something you disapprove of means that I lied when I said those people entered the country illegally?
Is that your reasoning? If so, I cannot follow your train of thought.Wilderness: Your comment makes it sound like Biden is the only one who did something bad with the people at the border. When in fact so did Trump, but that is O.K. with you Trumpers. The fact that he separated those children from their families means nothing to you. Trumpers are focused on making Biden look bad, but they don't care about how badly Trump treated those people. You are not lying, but neither am I. My link supports the truth. Where is your evidences of the truth of spreading 12,000 Haitians across the country?
My comment makes it look like Biden is ignoring US law, and ignoring his oath to protect our borders from invasion...which he is. Trump tried to follow the law as best as he could, while Biden (and Obama, for that matter) decided they would make their own rules without the aid of Congress...which they did and are.
Wilderness: Here is what happened with Trump "following the laws as best he could."
.https://www.npr.org/2021/01/27/961048895/justice-department-rescinds-trumps-zero-tolerance-immigration-policy
Good. I didn't lie. My post was in reply to a complaint that it was all lies - glad to understand that you don't agree.
If you haven't heard what Biden did with the Haitians I can't help you. That information has to be on hundreds of sites - it won't be difficult to find.
What Trump did has exactly zero to do with Bidens disregard of our laws and his opening of our borders to anyone that wants in. You can add that drug smuggling has risen enormously during his tenure - my state is but one of dozens fighting a losing battle to control just the rise and limit it. Pretty sure your reply will be that it isn't Biden (if I'm wrong I apologize) but everything - everything I hear or read is that it is coming across our southern border. The same border that Biden has virtually opened to anyone wanting in.Come on Mayorkas stated it live on Chris Wallace.
Homeland Security Secretary Alejandro Mayorkas admitted on Sunday that more than 12,000 Haitian migrants who had been camped out under a bridge near Del Rio, Texas, have been released into the US and more may follow them.
He told “Fox News Sunday” that there are about 12,400 Haitians in the process of having asylum claims heard by an immigration judge, while around 5,000 are being processed by the Department of Homeland Security.
About 3,000 are being detained.
“Approximately, I think it’s about 10,000 or so, 12,000,” Mayorkas responded when asked how many migrants have already been released.
How about from the horse's mouth --- “Fox News Sunday” https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ckRkNd5-MRA
https://nypost.com/2021/09/26/homeland- … s-into-us/
Actually, no one knows how many of the 1.5 million Biden has released into the country, and how many just walked in without being processed.
This is a real problem, how in the world can you ignore it or defend it?
This is here and now... Nothing to do with Trump. Trump had this mess under control. Concentrate on the now. We are having a real crisis at the border. It has been reported at least 60,000 more migrants are making their way across Mexico right now, with many still coming in daily.
Here is a fact I think you will enjoy --- very current October 8, 2021
It's Old Joe's problem-solving... Biden administration canceling more border wall contracts
"(CNN)The Biden administration is canceling another slate of border wall contracts -- this time, in the Laredo and Rio Grande Valley sectors, the Department of Homeland Security announced Friday.
In one of his first actions in office, President Joe Biden had ordered a pause on wall construction and called for a review of projects and funds. Friday's announcement is the latest in the ongoing effort to cancel contracts geared toward building wall along the US-Mexico border.
In late July, US Customs and Border Protection terminated two border wall contracts in the Laredo sector that cover approximately 31 miles. DHS said Friday it will cancel all remaining border barrier contracts in that sector."
https://www.cnn.com/2021/10/08/politics … index.html
Just one more example of this man's lack of problem-solving skills." have been released into the US" - You do understand that this was legal and following the law, don't you? Would you rather the administration break the law? BTW, why do you have a problem with these people being released to their relatives (a fact you conveniently omitted, btw)
Oh, the wall wasn't going to work - at least that is what all of the experts say - so Trump didn't solve a problem, he caused one.No one has claimed it was illegal that the Haitians were released into the US. I quoted Mayorkas, I did not in any sense say or infer it was illegal. Listening to his comment to Wallace. it is clear he claims these migrants were processed and released.
My opinion --- "Actually, no one knows how many of the 1.5 million Biden has released into the country, and how many just walked in without being processed. This is a real problem, how in the world can you ignore it or defend it?"
The border patrol admits this happens daily, they call them "got away". These people are in the country illegally.
" BTW, why do you have a problem with these people being released to their relatives (a fact you conveniently omitted, btw)"
First not sure I implied I had a problem with people being released to relatives. I did not make mention of my thoughts on that subject. You once again have just read something into my comment. Could you provide anywhere in my comment that I had a problem with people being released to relatives? This is a very undesirable habit you have. My comment is very clear. I did not use the word relative in any context in this comment or any comment.
Released to their relatives? I don't have any idea where you got this information. People by law are released on their own recognizance to respect the rules and appear for their court date.
"Oh, the wall wasn't going to work - at least that is what all of the experts say - so Trump didn't solve a problem, he caused one."
The wall has worked in any sections it has been constructed. The problem, we now have one might call open roads into the country at areas it has not been built. I do realize you feel what you say is true if you say it.
Some facts on the area's that have wall ---
"As of October 23, 2020, construction of the wall system breaks down as follows:
FUNDED: 738 miles
COMPLETED CONSTRUCTION: 386 miles
UNDER CONSTRUCTION: 195 miles
PRE-CONSTRUCTION PHASE: 157 miles
Bottom line: The Trump administration is well on its way to meet the goal of having 450 miles of new border wall system deployed by December 31, 2020.
EFFECTIVE – DISRUPTING CRIMINALS AND SMUGGLERS
The results speak for themselves: illegal drug, border crossings, and human smuggling activities have decreased in areas where barriers are deployed. For example:
San Diego Sector:
In one short 12 mile section in the San Diego Sector, the wall reduced CBP manpower requirements by 150 agents every 24 hours. That is approximately a $28 million return on investment per year in salaries and benefits. These agents were redeployed to fill resource gaps in other areas of the border -- further improving our security.
CBP’s San Diego Field Office continues to be a significant source of narcotics seizures. From FY 19 to FY 20, seizures of fentanyl, marijuana, and methamphetamine all increased, with meth seizures jumping at alarming rates in the past several years – demonstrating that the border wall is forcing drug smugglers to where we are best prepared to catch them – our ports of entry.
Yuma Sector:
Illegal entries in areas with a new border wall system plummeted over 87% in FY 20 compared to FY 19.
In FY 19, CBP deployed a temporary barrier, which it has replaced with a permanent system, at the Sanchez Canal, which resulted in illegal entries decreasing in this area by more than 1,000 per month.
In FY 19, in areas of older existing border fencing or barriers, Yuma Sector apprehended 12 large groups (over a 100 persons) compared to zero large groups in FY 20 with new border wall system.
Family Unit entries have decreased over 95%
FY 19: 51,961 vs. FY 20: 2,940
RGV Sector:
In a section of RGV (Zone 1) apprehensions have decreased since the construction of the border wall system. This is a location that has never had any border infrastructure.
CBP has seen a 79% decrease in apprehensions in this area (Zone 1) since the completion of the border wall system.
CBP has seen a 26% decrease in narcotics seizures since the completion of the border wall system in this area.
In another section of RGV, prior to the construction of the border wall system, it was common to see illegal aliens running across a heavily traveled road, putting themselves and members of the community at risk.
Smugglers are now forced to take their groups further west into areas that are less dense with brush and easier for CBP surveillance cameras to detect illicit activity.
El Paso Sector:
El Paso Sector has experienced a significant reduction in drug and smuggling activities in areas where the new border wall system was built.
Most notably, in Zones 14 and 15 of the Santa Teresa (STN) AOR where apprehensions have decreased by 60% and 81% respectively when comparing the last half of fiscal year FY 20 to the first half of FY 20.
El Paso Station has experienced similar results from the new border wall in Zones 20 – 23, with a reduction in apprehensions of 70% during the same timeframe."
https://www.dhs.gov/news/2020/10/29/bor … -smugglers
I prefer Government documented information over Media reports.
Too bad Biden just Friday canceled all contracts of companies that were building the wall. piles of supplies and sections of the wall are just laying on various sites near where migrants are entering.
In my view, this is once more a very poor decision. We have a border crisis and a president that is doing nothing to solve the problem. Only showing IMO that he is being vengeful in regard to destroying anything Trump, at the cost of we the taxpayers. Oh well, once again I think it's just another nail in his coffin. He seemed to think destroying all the accomplishments Trump made will in some sense make citizens respect, and feel he is doing something. His poor problem-solving (half-ass backward) only works to show just how inept he is.
I have faith he has well exposed his inability to do the job, and the majority of American's have quickly realized they made a mistake voting for him.
The latest figures include 20% who Strongly Approve of the job Biden is doing and 50% who Strongly Disapprove. This gives him a Presidential Approval Index rating of -30. (see trends)
His polls continue to plummet. Hopefully, the Republicans do well in 2022, and they are able to usher him out of the White House gracefully. In my opinion, those that worked to get him elected, as well as his wife, should be ashamed to have used him so poorly."I did not in any sense say or infer it was illegal." - Actually, you did.
Earlier you quoted Fox News or somebody that said - "Homeland Security Secretary Alejandro Mayorkas admitted on Sunday that more than 12,000 Haitian migrants who had been camped out under a bridge near Del Rio, Texas, have been released into the US and more may follow them." First, they (and by adopting the same tone), used the word "admitted". This phrasing implies that Mayorkas had denied it previously. The intent, of course, is to put his statement in a negative connotation, as if he had done something illegal or inappropriate and got caught.. That is how the right-wing works. IN FACT, Mayorkas was simply stating facts. But you and Fox twist it to make it sound as if it were a bad thing. Hence, my statement about it being legal and appropriate..
""Actually, no one knows how many of the 1.5 million Biden has released into the country, and how many just walked in without being processed. This is a real problem, " - And that is tantamount to saying "Actually, no one knows how many little green men from Mars have just walked in without being processed. This is a real problem ..." This is another semantic trick of the right-wing.{/i]
And then you use the "admit" word again as if the Border Patrol had been denying it with "The border patrol admits this happens daily, they call them "got away". These people are in the country illegally." You trying to establish a negative by stating the obvious. OF COURSE, people cross the border illegally every day, any dunce knows that. But you imply that this is new information when it is not.
"The wall has worked in any sections it has been constructed. " - No it hasn't. There are countless anecdotes of people defeating the undefeatable "wall". Here are just a couple that are easy to find.
https://thehill.com/changing-america/re … y-defeated
https://www.washingtonpost.com/immigrat … story.html
(There aren't that many examples because Trump only built 80 miles of new wall)
Also, why did you OMIT this fact "only 80 miles of new barriers have been built where there were none before - that includes 47 miles of primary wall, and 33 miles of secondary wall built to reinforce the initial barrier."
"In my view, this is once more a very poor decision." - But in everybody else's view, Biden's decision was one of his best.
So much for Trump's excellent problem solving skills!!! It only costs the tax payers 27 million per mile....What a deal!! I wish Biden had problem solving skills like that.,,not I can't wait for him to be president again so he can finish his dumb a** wall. Yes, and at his rallies they can scream finish that wall.
https://www.businessinsider.com/donald- … ers-2021-4
I previously pointed out how some here continue to compare Trump's ith, Biden.
What's good for the Goose... Under Trump’s official zero-tolerance policy, more than 2,800 families were separated in 2018. This practice started to deter people from coming at a time the borders were being overrun by people seeking asylum. By the time Trump left office, he left office the parents of 545 children separated at the border still haven’t been found. And the ACLU had taken over the task of trying to locate the children's parents.
Oct 10, 2021 --- When Trump left office he also had 1000 UNACCOMPANIED children in the care of the Government which were now in the care of the Biden ad. ... Only 52 have at this point been reunited with family since Joe took office. https://www.cbsnews.com/news/migrant-ch … 021-10-10/
Now to compare the current problem which I feel Biden caused by his open invitation and encouragement to migrants over his campaign and first months in office.
Today we have accumulated well over 22,000 unaccompanied children that have come via coyotes. "(CNN)There are more than 20,000 unaccompanied migrant children in US custody, according to the latest government data, marking a new high as the Biden administration announces a string of sites to accommodate kids."
https://www.cnn.com/2021/04/07/politics … index.html
https://www.usnews.com/news/national-ne … nder-biden
The borders are wide open --- And we have record numbers coming across them asking for asylum. Migrant encounters at the U.S.-Mexico border are at a 21-year high
https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2 … year-high/
This is a perfect example of Biden's failure to handle the problems he made created. It's also a perfect example where if one does compare Trump to Biden's job performance, Trump is seen as a better problem solver, too many.
There is nothing more sobering than a chart --- Note Trump's stats compared to Biden's... Our borders are open, and Joe is holding the welcome sign. It would seem unwise to even bring up anything to do with immigration problems at this point or compare Trump's policies with a man that has no policies.
Sharlee: In your zeal to show that there has been an increase at the Southern border with Biden, you did not read the Note at the bottom of the graph. Here is what it says for your own edification.
"Note: Beginning in March 2020, months totals combine apprehensions and expulsions into a new category known as encounters. Months totals before March 2020 include apprehensions only. Source U.S. Customs and Border Protection."
Therefore after March 2020, it looks like the totals shot up, but they include expulsions as well as apprehensions. That means the graph after March 2020 includes both those who were expelled as well as those who were apprehended.
By the way, I like Pew Research.Of course, I read the under the caption. And also noted that even with the new practice Trump's numbers remained well below 50,000 whereas the moment Biden took over -- the numbers grew quickly to over 200,000 plus. Trump was expelling the larger majority and making most looking for asylum in Mexico. These policies discouraged migrants from making the trip and applying for asylum in the first country they cross into.
"Migrant encounters refer to two distinct kinds of events: apprehensions, in which migrants are taken into custody in the United States to await adjudication, and expulsions, in which migrants are immediately expelled to their home country or last country of transit without being held in U.S. custody.
Most encounters that have occurred in recent months have resulted in expulsion, not apprehension, under a public health order known as Title 42. President Donald Trump’s administration invoked Title 42 in March 2020, arguing that it would slow the domestic spread of the coronavirus by expelling migrants rather than holding them in close quarters in U.S. immigration facilities. Between April 2020 and the end of the Trump administration, more than 80% of monthly migrant encounters at the southwestern border resulted in expulsion rather than apprehension.
Expulsions have become less common – and apprehensions more common – in the first months of President Joe Biden’s administration. In July, 47% of migrant encounters resulted in expulsion, down from 83% in January, when Biden took office. During the same period, the share of migrant encounters that resulted in apprehension rose from 17% to 53%.
Sharlee: This is the same as the first graph and is a breakdown of apprehensions versus expulsion, but it only shows up to and including July, 2021.
Here is a link to everything you wanted to know about border crossings but were afraid to ask. It includes Obama's, Trump's, and Biden's policies toward immigration at the border and many graphs and statistics that show many of the crossing were done many times by the same people and how each crossing is counted as a new encounter.
https://www.americanimmigrationcouncil. … rs-in-2021Don't you think no matter the comparisons and what president did a better job it comes down to Now there is a huge and tragic disaster at the border with crossings and there is no apparent problem solving happening.
As an independent voter that is what I see plain and simple. Yes, they may be coming not because of a supposed Biden open door policy or rumors of such in the countries they are coming from. So what!
Yes, those countries are deteriorating financially with gangs and all that, but are they our responsibility? That is the point in my view as an independent voter. I don't know of any Christian with goodness in their heart accepting the homeless into their homes or even atheists. Do you? Why open the door to our country? Solve the problem now because that is one thing I am considering with My Vote!.Oh My God, BINGO! I continue to be baffled by how some users here just can't realize we have so many problems, and they are multiplying before our very eyes. Yet, some can't move away from Trump to engage in a discussion of current events that involve Biden. No matter what the subject it quickly becomes a comparison game. The current polls clearly indicate the majority of American's are aware of the current problems, and that they are being created by the current administration, and ignored.
In regard to our immigration problems, we have laws, they need to be followed. And yes, our immigration laws need to be worked on. But for now, we need to stop the current influx of migrants, it's unsustainable, and unfair to taxpayers. I put immigration reform and the economy at the top of my list when it comes to my vote.
And I really appreciated your sentiment -- "I don't know of any Christian with goodness in their heart accepting the homeless into their homes or even atheists."
But don't they just talk a sweet game...tsmog: And how do you think that problem should be solved?
I want you to reach into your great depth of knowledge especially with Harris and tell me what is being done. Isn't she in charge or assigned that duty? Convince me with my vote something positive is being done. I am the one who needs to be convinced there is a plan. It is not my responsibility to come up with a plan. I'm just an independent voter looking at 2022 for now!
As an independent voter who thinks for himself, that last graph PeoplePower presented should convince you there isn't much of a problem to solve (except in the minds of conservatives.)
Instead, I would personally be much more concerned with Trump and the Republicans' attempt to take down America's democracy.I beg to differ there is a huge problem when looking at the multiple graphs and skimming the article at the link he provided. Again, what is the plan? What are the projections with when? Where is Harris and what is she doing? How many assylum seekers are there and how long to process them? What is the projection on new seekers? Trump has nothing to do with this subject.
Oh, My man you no not what you say -- or what you just stepped into... (Joking of course.)
One can offer quotes, stats, charts, you name it. Some just do not feel we even have a border problem. And if there is a problem, it is one Trump caused or it was worse under Trump.
No matter the fact is we have a brand new guy in the White House... Just does not matter. If we have a new crisis tomorrow or the next day -- that's Trump's fault too. Could be the problem's the airlines are having due to Bidins Mandates...Could be the steadily rising inflation --- could be China shaking a fist at Taiwan --- all Trump...Living in San Diego I am current with border and immigration flow issues. I get a newsletter on those issues keeping me current. It is important to me and my latino neighbors, which came here legally. An extremely good friend I worked with since he barely spoke English bearing a green card says it is a problem. Good enough for me as I said being an independent voter. That news letter digs deep. It is called NumbersUSA. They have a website too.
Sharlee: You are right about the border being wide open, especially in Del Rio Texas. That's because it is an International Crossing Port between Mexico and the U.S. People on both sides of the border use it constantly and it is open 24/7.
It just turned out that the last influx of migrants camped underneath the bridge, but they are all gone now thanks to all the plane trips where Biden sent them back to their country and others who were screened as asylum seekers to stay with friends and relatives.
You can even watch the activity all day long, if you so desire. Here it is. with two live cameras to watch...enjoy the viewing.
https://www.cityofdelrio.com/government … nal-bridge'It just turned out that the last influx of migrants camped underneath the bridge, but they are all gone now thanks to all the plane trips where Biden sent them back to their country and others who were screened as asylum seekers to stay with friends and relatives."
Dont'worry more are coming... LOL.
I asked ECO now I ask you where in the world do you get the idea that migrants must have a family member or even a friend to come in and wait for their day in court?
https://www.americanimmigrationcouncil. … ention.pdf
Migrates are realized on their own and trusted to return for their court date.
https://cis.org/Bensman/Catch-and-Relea … nt-Numbers
Then what is the problem, unless you don't like the fact that brown people are coming across the border. They help the economy; they cause less real crimes than natural Americans, especially white Americans, do; they are more motivated to work than natural Americans; they actually want to get educated like many Americans don't; the list goes on.
While you might not be, I find the existential threat to this country more worthy of attention than some immigrants crossing the border.
As to "How many assylum seekers are there and how long to process them? ", I just can't get excited about it.
I have an idea.
Finish the damn fence!
GA
*hold on buddy, wait, I was just tossing a little gas on the fire. (snicker, I can't help myself) Things have been kinda monotonous around here lately. I was just joshing with you, right?:-O
Interesting that you find the border issue more important than a president who actually tried to subvert democracy and helped incite an attack on the country's Capitol to stop an election he legally lost. Guess we will agree to disagree about which one of those issues is more important to the future of the country.
Yup! Perhaps a matter of priorities considering now vs 3 questionable years? Shouldn't your question be addressed to the person who changed the discussion to the border?
Mine wasn't so much a question as an observation. In my view, I am a single issue voter and that issue is those for democracy and those against it.
Same here. I am often a multi-issue voter and it determines who I vote for. But, for the foreseeable future my only concern is keeping the anti-democratic forces out of office.
Could you consider that contrary views might say the same thing—that their issue is also about those against democracy? My point isn't about which side is "right," but that both sides view the issue similarly.
If that were possible, wouldn't it say that the only real difference between you and `them' is individual perspective? Kinda like the question of whose god is the real god. The point being, the only proof you have of your rightness is your beliefs. And beliefs are a dime-a-dozen. Just ask Google. ;-)
GAThis is the alternative facts argument. Those that believe the big lie from a known liar can have their perspective, but if that perspective is based on lies, it is not a truth.
So to believe those looking to protect the right to vote are against democracy seems like you'd have to believe a falsehood to reach that conclusion.
Or those who wanted their voters to be able to exercise their Constitutional right to vote safely during a pandemic, and to have those decisions upheld as legal in the courts - and then listen to many that continue to ignore those rulings and call them fraud are openly stating lies to sell that narrative to their supporters.
How you arrive at your 'perspective' matters. If the (alternative) facts that got you there are not truths, then your reality is a false reality.Deleted
You're asking a question that is four steps behind where we are in current times. Yes, there are large swaths of Trump supporters who think that there were election laws broken and believe democracy was subverted in 2020.
Now, I find them to be nutcases or zealot-types because they still believe a known liar while the courts, the actual entities that determine legality, ruled the opposite. Elections experts determined the elections to be secure, yet the word of a known liar is all they adhere to.
We're well beyond acknowledgement of opposing views to trying to determine why ignoring experts and courts should be set aside for false beliefs."Now, I find them to be nutcases or zealot-types because they still believe a known liar while the courts, the actual entities that determine legality, ruled the opposite. Elections experts determined the elections to be secure, yet the word of a known liar is all they adhere to."
You don't even have to refer to Trump as a liar, allthough he is a big one.
This entire election process has been vetted by every authority that could. There has not been one scintilla of credible evidence to support the claims of my opposition. That does not sound like 2 opposing reasonable parties to me
Add on QAnon, Trucker Carlson and I don't mince words, "nut cases" is an accurate description.
That is where the media makes its mistakes, making right wing extremists appear as "reasonable people". Biden and the Democrats are taking too much of this in, and Biden come across as milquetoast and weak. That is what the GOP wlll exploit.
You hit the nail on the head.As I am sure you saw that I deleted my post, my apologies for jumping back in with a response, I didn't think my deleted post would add anything to the discussion. Your response shows we are both firmly planted.
[EDIT] Don't read anything into that bud, I am just bumbling my way back. I don't mean to be, as tsmog said, "a lurker."
GAHadn't noticed and no worries...you were asking something philosophical, not really defending the big lie.
Thanks. My intention wasn't philosophical, it was to find an opening for something that isn't Trump, or Biden, or stolen elections. Eleven months of beating the same horse is enough. There are more current, and in my view more important, issues affecting this great divide everyone, (yep, that's you Cred), keeps proclaiming. And as long as folks are tied up in this extreme view stuff, the important stuff, (to both sides), gets ignored.
GAOk, GA, tell the Right to stop griping about the outcome of the dead horse and move on and we will be glad to oblige them. I keep hearing about continual audits in other states just to reconfirm what we all already know.
It is hard to get about the country's business with the constant stupidity of conspiratorial nonsense getting in the way.I agree. If the Right would drop the Big Lie and resist the urge to destabilize democracy, then everybody else would stop defending America from them..
I also think the far-Right is more prone to conspiracy theory stuff*, but I wouldn't be so exclusive with that "constant stupidity" stuff.
*tin-foil hat types shouldn't be considered of with side, they are either right, or, total nutcases who don't have a clue.
As for your "tell them to stop griping about . . ." admonishment, it gave me a mental image of: `Mommy, Johnny is pointing at me, tell him to stop. Mommy, he won't stop. Make him stop.' (the part where dad says, "Don't make me stop this car!" was edited out ;-)
GA
It's obvious we presently have is a cornucopia of current political events. The topics are almost endless --- We have problems with an intercity crime; two huge overstuffed bills that are being solved down our throats; and let's not forget parents being called domestic terrorists... We have an economy tittering on disaster, and a society where many won't return to work; Oh, let's not forget foreign policy problems, and our open borders; China rattling chains at Taiwan; we still have American's trapped in Afghanistan, and France all pissed off!
Maybe you should pick one, or get creative and see where it goes...Pretty sure when some parents try to run school board members off the road, or fabricate abuse charges against others, or sit outside their houses at night, or post their home addresses online, they are becoming domestic terrorists. All of this is happening currently. While I can agree it could be handled at the local level, allocating federal resources can help end these instances before someone gets killed by these wacko parents.
How funny --- pretty sure local law enforcement could handle such types of crime. And as far as yelling outside one home--- LOL IMO --- Democrats have that down to a science. And hate to tell you most of our population's addresses can be found online.
Maybe if some mayors would have agreed to allocate federal resources their cities would have not taken such damage when protesters committed violence night after night. IT is not the Job of the president to order the DOJ to investigate state/city crimes.
I would not call them wacko parents. They have every right to have input in the curriculum at the schools their children attend. This is America, and parents are responsible for their chldren in every respect and need to be mindful of what their children are being exposed to in school.
I find it very hyperbolic to label concerned parents domestic terrorists. The propaganda once again has fed up a label, that some have now gravitated to. Oh well, we will always deal with some that ascribe to labels. I will keep my opinion about such, to myself.
I am feeling a bit of a contrarian tonight Sharlee. You pick. Just pick one that isn't all anti-Biden.
GAThe thing is Biden is the current rage in political news. This is unfortunate but true. Plus, I have beat all the above subjects into sawdust. It would be wonderful to have the more pleasant subject of conversation, would it not? However, at this point, it would seem to me that being this is a political forum it would be amiss to ignore current political news.
We certainly could use a better balance in regard to subjects matter That would require participation from those that desire it.
But you must have noted, no matter what one posts the subject quickly turns to Trump and his many so-called faults., and misdemeanors.I have noticed that every thread seems to turn into a Trump-bashing thread, just as everything has turned into a Biden bashing for your guys, (the Right).
Considering the make-up of the current forum crew that probably won't change. These forums have gone from dozens of participating voices to less than a dozen regulars.
The pending big legislative bills, which you started a thread or two on, get crickets from the Left if whatever is being discussed can't be tied to Trump. And then from the Right everything leads to anti-Biden, personally so.
The buck may stop at Biden's desk because he is the president, but I think most of the problems I would complain about are the party and administration's fault—not directly Biden's fault.
These two current legislative efforts are what is most worrisome to me. It is the "transformative change" that Obama promised, (and both Conservatives and conservatives fear), and I think it is the party leading this charge, not Pres. Biden.
Now, with that in mind, I don't think Pres. Biden is doing a good job, but I think his worst failure is that instead of leading the party it is leading him
GAI have opened several threads on the two bills you are concerned about. As you said crickets... It is very obvious many have left this forum. In my view, they became very illusioned with the topic of Trump, and the back and forth comparing Biden to him. The forum thrived during Trump's presidency, it was a great place for many to vent. Not sure why you feel some here would not want a bit of not so pretty revenge. It is a shame so many left, instead of perhaps staying and shared their thoughts. Some just took the more sensible way out... and took leave. Myself, I try to post current, and unfortunately current is not at all pretty or palatable to some. It would be nice if some would join in and express their views. That's the only way to point out dissatisfaction with the subject of a thread.
I have as you said posted three threads on the bills, and no takers. Maybe you could have got the ball rolling? Build it and they will come...
The 3.5 Trillion Dollar Reconciliation Bill -- Is It Doomed?
Chip Chip Chip --- The Reconciliation Bill Is Beginning To Falter
Will Biden Be Doomed By His Own Party?
I truly believe Biden is not making any decisions... I think the Democratic party is imploding before our eyes. The country is on a brink of failing. The country is in trouble, and our society is in a media-induced daze. Not noting what is surely going on in Washington, and how it will in the end affect the democracy we have enjoyed.It appears that, historically, both parties threaten to "implode" when presidents change. These implosions seem to morph into change rather than destruction. So for me, that's a non-issue. It happens.
However, I do agree that the Democrats are screwing up. They got their foot in the door, but instead of opening it they blew it off its hinges with their massive "transformations." They were given an inch and they are trying to take a mile.
GAAs you said blew the door off the hinges. I think the Democratic party is imploding before our eyes.
I will admit I have never witnessed anything that would compare to an administration hell-bent on leading us into socialism with a huge historic grab bag of socialist programs.
Yes, presidents have piddled about on the fringes of socialism, but not so blatantly tried to shove it in our faces.Sharlee: You keep saying that you are presenting current issues and yet you say some of us are Trump bashing. You have to admit, Trump is still current news and it is his choice to consistently perpetuate his big lie that stays in the news.
As long as he is doing that, he is fair game in my book. I told you once before as long as you keep bashing Biden, It easy for me to present the hypocrisy in your comments against Biden. You may call it Trump bashing. I call it hypocrisy.
By the way, you never replied to my comment on Trump and his wall that cost 12 million per mile and he claimed it was un-scalable. It turns out people were able to scale it with 5 dollar ladders.
This was in reference to your constant comments that Biden has no problem solving skills compared to Trump's excellent problem solving skills. First he was going to have Mexico pay for his big beautiful wall. In the final analysis, we the tax payers paid for his wall and most of the money came from the defense departments budget.
I'm looking forward to your reply.
https://www.businessinsider.com/donald- … ers-2021-4"You keep saying that you are presenting current issues and yet you say some of us are Trump bashing. You have to admit, Trump is still current news and it is his choice to consistently perpetuate his big lie that stays in the news. "
First, you are jumping in the middle of a conversation that I was responding to. Read GA's first comment addressed to me. He pointed he found much of what goes on here is Trump as well as Biden bashing. I agreed. His statement rings true in my view. You can't say I have not harped on that very fact. One can't post a comment or offer a thread where it does not quickly become a Trump-bashing conversation, which then turns into a let's compare Trump to Biden...
I prefer to discuss current events. And I have posted many threads on current news. as GA said --- I get crickets.
I don't agree, I do see articles here and there about Trump, However, Biden news is prevalent. He has many problems on his plate and is much more important right now than anything Trump is doing. I am not sure anything can be done about what Trump says., People will believe what they want to believe.
"As long as he is doing that, he is fair game in my book. I told you once before as long as you keep bashing Biden, It easy for me to present the hypocrisy in your comments against Biden. You may call it Trump bashing. I call it hypocrisy."
I do not dictate what you say in any respect. I have posted many threads that cover his actions, his policies, and the problems that face him currently. I do not post any mistruths in regard to what one states. I do offer my view, which I feel I have as much right as anyone else. You pass over the facts when you are uncomfortable with them. You love on to comparing Trump against Biden. My posts are never meant to draw this kind of backlash. You just don't address the subject much of the time.
You become very defensive as you have here...
We all know what Trump said about Mexico paying for the wall. We also know many that campaign for president promises the moon... I need not give examples. I do feel that the wall was a good idea, and border patrol agents have claimed the wall was working well in the areas it was built.
Not sure if you realize contractors were paid to build the wall, and any outstanding contracts will be paid in full. Yet Biden ordered building that all was paid for, be stopped... And this is what it cost to stop construction. This is once again an example of in my opinion very poor problem-solving.
Biden Spending $3 Million Per Day to Not Build Border Wall
Report finds as much as $2 Billion wasted since inauguration
https://cis.org/Law/Biden-Spending-3-Mi … order-Wall
Sorry GA has pointed out something that hit me right between the eyes I will stay clear of responding to Trump-bashing, and try very hard to be very factual when posting anything about Biden. I will always when giving my viewpoint point it out.I watch the news nearly every night. Tonight was the first time I can remember seeing anything about Trump in weeks if not months.
That's because you don't watch real news. What you watch is filtered through massive right-wing bias.
The media has put Trump on the back burner. I don't actually think they want to give him a forum to offer his views. It would be embracing for the new administration to hear how the current problems would not have come about or worse yet Trump could give sensible solutions to current disasters.
In my view, there is a handful of American's that just can't get past being consumed with all Trump. They are just not willing to see the mistake they made voting for a man that is just not suited to be president."t would be embracing for the new administration to hear how the current problems would not have come about " - LOLOLOL
I have decided to concentrate on current... our conversations are so repetitive. Just too much currently going on much more interesting to discuss.
You wrote that, not I (except the LOLOLOL part).
Now if you want to slam congressional Democrats for destroying the Democratic Party and Biden's great agenda while at the same time helping a dictator regain power in 2024, have at it - I will probably join you.
Igor Danchenko, the analyst, is the third person criminally charged in Durham’s investigation.
OH well, today -- Authorities Arrest An Analyst Who Contributed to Steele Dossier... Igor Danchenko, a Russian analyst who worked with Christopher Steele, the author of a dossier of rumors and unproven assertions about Donald J. Trump, was taken into custody as part of the Durham investigation. https://www.nytimes.com/2021/11/04/us/i … ssier.html https://www.cnbc.com/2021/11/04/durham- … ested.html
My Oh MY --- This is really getting interesting. Wonder where this will all lead the Democratic party, what part did they play, how were the key players, and so on? It seems Durham is doing although a slow job, a good job at unraveling the Russia Russia Russia. a ploy to destroy a sitting president. Wonder what one called such a ploy? Is it treason?
I knew you would want to hear the very latest on the Durham investigation. Will Trump be completely exonerated in regard to Russia Russia Russia?
Gosh, would this not be a big ugly stain on the Democratic party? As if they don't have enough problems.You're right, this is getting ugly. Just as ugly for Trump having to explain the communications between him and Russia which the Durham investigation is raising and which the people who reported the data to the FBI say they can recreate to prove that there were communications.
https://www.newyorker.com/news/news-des … bank-storyIt is all bound to be exposed once and for all. I will wait to see where it all ends up. I will predict it will be a great embarrassment for the Democratic Party and the Clinton's. However, the Clinton's well know how to get past embarrassment. In my view, Trump has very good luck, and this will aid home in some respect in the end. Hey, if he runs, what a better tool than the Durham report in hand, that may show the entire poorly
planned hoax.
I very well might be wrong, but this time I think I am right on.
Sharlee: Sure, you decided to talk about the current events about Biden, not about Trump because you don't want to hear anything negative about him. That is the ploy you use to not talk about the subpoenas or his henchmen; the Jan.6 investigation, Trump still persisting with his big lie and his campaigning for his next election. Even the fact that Biden and Trump have the same foreign policy with China and Taiwan means nothing to you. According to you there are much more interesting things to discuss.
When Trump was in office it was wonderful, now that Biden has the same policy it is a disaster. Trump builds a partial wall that cost 12 million per mile and people scale it with 5 dollar ladders. Then you post Biden stops the wall and it costs the tax payers money to stop construction according to you. So if Trump continued building the wall at 12 million per mile, It would cost more for Biden to stop building the wall? LOL.
As long as Trump persists being in the news, I am going to continue posting his current fiascos. In your case the act of doing nothing speaks volume about how you can't defend his fiascos.Trump builds a wall that decreases the number of illegal crossings enormously and it is scaled with a "5 dollar ladder"? Don't know where you shop, but $5 won't buy a step stool, let alone a 30' extension ladder - perhaps that is a gross exaggeration rather than fact?
Then again, if you think it is free to ignore contractual obligations perhaps you really do think a $5 ladder will permit climbing over a 30' wall.Bullpoop. Immigration dropped in places without the wall by the same amount with the wall due to the Coronavirus pandemic. In some sections like El Paso and Laredo, the numbers actually went up.
If that were even partially true we would have fewer illegal border crossings.
Instead the total has gone up even as it dropped in sections with the wall.Once again, you cannot process a simple thought that during 2020, the immigration rate dropped because the pandemic. Wall or no wall, the rate of drop was even according to the data.
I thought it about time to bring up this truism.
Since Biden has a closed door policy and he has let everyone know it. the ONLY reason asylum-seekers are coming to the border in greater numbers is the Republican-Conservative-Right Wing lying machine claiming Biden has an open border policy. Why else would all of these people be heading North against Biden's wishes?
Yep. Just came back from watching Hamilton. Now I have to get his biography. It was a great play but would have been so much better for me if I could have understood more of the words. That said, I guess I got a little used to it because as the play went on longer, I could understand more. (Even as a kid, I could rarely understand the lyrics to many of the songs I heard.)
It took me awhile to place what was happening on stage with the actual events. But when I did, it tracked with what I knew of history. (Didn't know his son died in a dual before he did, however).
?? Deflection from what? The comment was that a $5 ladder could be used to scale those 20-30 walls, and that is exactly what I addressed as it was such an obvious falsehood.
Maybe your white privilege just prevents you from seeing that ladders cost less in other countries, so something you claim is false, you just haven't done any research on and you sound stupid when you make the claim.
https://www.businessinsider.com/donald- … ers-2021-4
'The ladders, often made from scrap lumber, are reportedly common along the stretch of the wall between the Texas cities of Granjeno and Hidalgo, whereas rope ladders are more commonly used farther up the Rio Grande river.'The deflection, and you know it, was about the cost of the ladder.
Wilderness: Do you think people who are scaling the wall actually buy ladders? They make them from scrape lumber laying on the side of the walls.
https://www.texasmonthly.com/news-polit … l-ladders/Sure they do. Because the wall is made of steel and produced tons of scrap wood simply left alongside of it...presumably so that people will have the wood (if not the nails and screws) to make a ladder to defeat the wall.
While it is certainly true that the wall can be gotten over, through, under or around, it is still a deterrent. I'm pretty sure it is also true that home made implements are used to defeat it - implements that can be made cheaply from scavenged or stolen materials.
But if that is the thrust of the post, why not present a far more honest view that homemade ladders constructed from stolen materials can be used to scale the wall? No need to mention the "value" of an extremely unsafe ladder that is intended to be used one time and discarded...without ever mentioning those small additions?Better question...Why not do a little research before making stupid statements instead of blaming others for your own clear lack of information? The point is still valid that a ladder made of materials that cost $5 can beat a wall that costs the American taxpayer - not Mexico as it was originally sold to get Trump elected.
It can be done with a $500, top quality ladder, too. Or even a personnel lift. For nothing at all. All you have to do is steal it.
As far as Mexico paying for it - what will it cost us to bring in 10,000 illegal aliens (as Biden did when they walked through the area with no wall) and support them for years until we either send them home (at great cost) or make them citizens (at even greater cost to the welfare system)? Trump would have left them in Mexico, where Mexico would cover the cost of support; Biden brings them so American taxpayers can shoulder the burden.
Not that it has anything at all to do with Trump. The whole discussion was about the claim that a $5 ladder will "defeat" the wall.And he keeps on deflecting with the cost of a ladder.
It seems Wilderness still ignores all the evidence I have presented in the past that shows his false belief that migrants cost the US economy money is just that - a piece of right-wing propaganda. But I also understand he MUST ignore such proof in order to keep his self-righteousness intact.You have produced exactly nothing that shows it costs Americans nothing to have 20 million illegal aliens within our borders. At best you claim that because they will work for starvation wages, while requiring vast sums of money to support them and their families, it is good for the economy. And it may be...but that does NOT mean that American taxpayers are not picking up the cost of supporting them while rich businesses benefit their own pocketbooks.
But I do understand that you MUST ignore the details in order to keep saying that they are cost-free to the country.Keep twisting, Wilderness. Try Googling this, you will find lots of proof that you are wrong.
"do migrants cost more than they benefit the economy"
BTW, the consensus is NO.
