This better be good!?!
You are right, it is bad-mouthed much too much! We need to fix that!
https://youtu.be/gPTahzVsZCg
P.S. I had the song at the ready, it's going into my next article.
God Bless America!ab: You missed Kathleen's point completely. She was talking about our reply to Miebakagh. He doesn't live in this country and it appears the only news he gets from his country is that Trump needs to be defended for all the things he has done to this country, including Jan. 6 and the mishandling of highly classified documents that have put our country at national risk.
I guess it is easy for people like him to believe your comments because you self-righteously wrap the flag around you. He believes you are a patriot for supporting Trump when in fact Trump is a criminal on so many levels and it's easy for you to rah, rah, the flag to him. America has always been great, not because of Trump.Let Trump be put to trial. That's a better news. In my country, Nigerian newspapers and mgazines, whether offline or online, I've not read any news about Trump, before, when, and after he became president!
No PP, I didn't miss her point; her point was crystal clear.
"and he was taking money for favors we will see a president that committed treason."
https://www.forbes.com/sites/danalexand … fa19d310c0
Trump businesses made $2.4 BILLION during the four years of his presidency.Kathleen, If you quote someone it is only fair to use the entire sentence to provide the context. Please note the difference in the full meaning of my words.
"If these allegations in regard to Joe Biden ARE TRUE, and he was taking money for favors we will see a president that committed treason."
The way you offered my quote gave a much different context.
"and he was taking money for favors we will see a president that committed treason."
Trump's legitimate businesses certainly made money while he was president. Not sure what your comment was all about. I mean if, and I repeat if Biden made money selling favors, it would in no way compare to Trump's earnings from his businesses. Very odd comment.
Please be more careful when quoting me, I don't appreciate my words being skewed. to suit another agenda.
Shar
I hear ya, not just a waste of energy, but of precious time, as well.
We'll soon see if Americans are paying attention yet.I agree, it is very clear many journalists have picked up on all the slime around Biden and his family, and many are thinking Pulitzer Prize for Journalism. Nothing better than having a journalist digging into all the dirt down deeper into the mud, and finally uncovering the slime.
Hey, WAPO, NYT, And the top media rags have now been covering the "Biden Bunch". Just a matter of time before the Bidens are outed. They have very few shielding them any longer.
So save your energy for the fun stuff.I just heard Biden informed the rest of us that Putin is losing the war in Iraq.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/articl … -IRAQ.html
Stunning news as I did not even know that it was going on. I guess I am more out of touch than I thought.OMG, when is this man going to get the hook... He stumbles around, most likely concentrating on where his next scoop of ice cream will come from.
He just is experiencing ongoing Primary progressive aphasia. And it is getting worse daily.
He is just such an embarrassment to America. Congress is not doing its job, it is their responsibility to impeach him.Sharlee:
You must be very proud of being an expert on this disease so that you can diagnosis him without a personal visit. I must say, you picked a good one. .So this is your learned diagnosis for Biden.
Risk factors for primary progressive aphasia include:
Learning disabilities. People who had a childhood learning disability such as dyslexia might be at somewhat higher risk of primary progressive aphasia.
Certain gene changes. Rare gene changes have been linked to primary progressive aphasia. If other members of your family have had it, you might be more likely to develop it.
Complications
People with primary progressive aphasia eventually lose the ability to speak and write. This may take anywhere from 3 to 15 years. They also have trouble understanding written and spoken language. Some people are not able to form sounds to speak, even when they still have the ability to write and comprehend language. This is called apraxia of speech.
As the disease progresses, other mental skills such as memory, planning and organizing can be affected. Some people develop other symptoms such as problems with movement, balance and swallowing. With these complications, people with the disease eventually will need help with day-to-day care.
People with primary progressive aphasia also can develop depression as the disease progresses. Other problems might include blunted emotions such as not showing concern, poor judgment or inappropriate social behavior.
By Mayo Clinic StaffLOL I recall that was my complaint years ago over the ongoing "diagnosis" from various "experts" of Trump without ever having a personal visit. Pretty much pooh-poohed on these forums. Comical to see the same thing happening again, but with the commenters reversed.
One difference Trump complied with a request to do a cognitive test. Biden has refused.
Yes he did take a cognitive test and here it is.
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/202 … loser-look
Here is why Biden has not taken the test.
https://www.nytimes.com/2023/02/16/us/p … octor.htmlDid you watch his flub today? I mean he really can't hold a thought and it is becoming harder for him to read without murdering words. he screamed No into a reporter's face, with an outburst of anger. I need not quote him in regards to not knowing who Russia is at war with... I can say it's not Iraq.
It's clear you feel differently about Biden's state of mind. hey, it's a free world.
Wilderness and Sharlee:
Do you deny Trump has any of these behaviors? This is from the Mayo Clinic.
Overview
Narcissistic personality disorder is a mental health condition in which people have an unreasonably high sense of their own importance. They need and seek too much attention and want people to admire them. People with this disorder may lack the ability to understand or care about the feelings of others. But behind this mask of extreme confidence, they are not sure of their self-worth and are easily upset by the slightest criticism.
A narcissistic personality disorder causes problems in many areas of life, such as relationships, work, school or financial matters. People with narcissistic personality disorder may be generally unhappy and disappointed when they're not given the special favors or admiration that they believe they deserve. They may find their relationships troubled and unfulfilling, and other people may not enjoy being around them.
Treatment for narcissistic personality disorder centers around talk therapy, also called psychotherapy.
Symptoms of narcissistic personality disorder and how severe they are can vary. People with the disorder can:
Have an unreasonably high sense of self-importance and require constant, excessive admiration.
Feel that they deserve privileges and special treatment.
Expect to be recognized as superior even without achievements.
Make achievements and talents seem bigger than they are.
Be preoccupied with fantasies about success, power, brilliance, beauty or the perfect mate.
Believe they are superior to others and can only spend time with or be understood by equally special people.
Be critical of and look down on people they feel are not important.
Expect special favors and expect other people to do what they want without questioning them.
Take advantage of others to get what they want.
Have an inability or unwillingness to recognize the needs and feelings of others.
Be envious of others and believe others envy them.
Behave in an arrogant way, brag a lot and come across as conceited.
Insist on having the best of everything — for instance, the best car or office.
At the same time, people with narcissistic personality disorder have trouble handling anything they view as criticism. They can:
Become impatient or angry when they don't receive special recognition or treatment.
Have major problems interacting with others and easily feel slighted.
React with rage or contempt and try to belittle other people to make themselves appear superior.
Have difficulty managing their emotions and behavior.
Experience major problems dealing with stress and adapting to change.
Withdraw from or avoid situations in which they might fail.
Feel depressed and moody because they fall short of perfection.
Have secret feelings of insecurity, shame, humiliation and fear of being exposed as a failure.PP, while you are researching, see what the Mayo Clinic has to say about those suffering from TDS.
In "Too Much and Never Enough: How My Family Created the World's Most Dangerous Man", Mary Trump describes the president's father — her grandfather — as a high-functioning sociopath and blames him for instilling in his children the value of aggression and the notion that kindness is weakness.
She suggests the most damaged of the siblings is Donald Trump, who, she said, has a variety of psychological impairments: definitely narcissism, for which she says he meets all nine criteria, but probably other conditions. She lists as possibilities antisocial personality disorder, dependent personality disorder, a learning disorder and sleep disorder.AB, When speaking about TDS --- Do you feel the number one symptom of TDS may well be, repeating the same sentences over, and over until it becomes actually becomes a fact? Oh, one other thing --- selectively pick and choose truth-tellers...
I am going to repeat myself. How many times am I going to have to tell you people, TDS is not real. It is made up by half a** right wing extremists, just like Obama was born in Kenya, and the deep state, and Hillary's email.
How did your search go for finding a clinical psychologist who could define TDS? Did the Mayo Clinic have anything? Did you even read what I posted about Mary Trump or can't you handle the real Truth?
You people are under Trump's and the right wing's spell and don't even realize it. You Trumper's don't repeat yourself...right?
How many times have your repeated yourself about Biden? How many times has Trump said the election was rigged and stolen from him, until it became truth and facts in the Trumper's minds?
How many times has he said he can declassify top secret documents in his possession, and you believe him as facts? Isn't that repeating and selective picking and choosing?
ab; I get the feeling from the tone of your writing that you look at all of this as fun. It's not it is serous sh*t.I think the difference between those that have TDS is that they ruminate on anything Trump, much of it is very old news. I think it all becomes so repetitive, and consuming, that all the current news goes right over one's head.
At this point, Trump is in the news, and his problems are current --- but so are Biden and his family, and Hunter's IRS allegations. These are big scandals if true they will be very detrimental to the country.
This being a Political chat we can expect to see comments on anything political.My "tone" reflects me not getting worked up over things which get blown way out of proportion.
Risking my health, in order to loathe another person, isn't a risk that I am willing to take. You may want to consider doing the same.You put your finger on it! I will keep that sentiment, and borrow it if need be.
ab: I'm 84 years old, soon to be 85. My blood pressure is 123/60 with a pulse rate of 54. What is yours. If I held it in me, that's when my BP would go up. Of course, you don't loath Biden and democrats and you don't blow things out of proportion?
I don't like Biden as the President. I don't think his heart is in the right place, when it comes to this Country and my fellow citizens. I don't feel he is capable of running this Country to the best of his ability, because he no longer possesses the ability. Not trying to be cruel, just stating fact.
I am nowhere near where he resides; I am not progressive, I am not liberal, I am not left of center. I am conservative with libertarian tendencies.
However, I do not loathe Biden (is there on e on the end, not sure, not looking it up though)
P.S. You are the same age as my Dad. Good for you, I am sincerely glad that you have good health!How can you possibly know his heart? If you have libertarian tendencies you would be nowhere near supporting Trump.
Key words, "I don't think" his heart.....
You don't think so? Who do you think a conservative/libertarian would be more likely to support?Certainly not Trump and there is no truly libertarian candidate at this point. You have a bunch of Republican candidates who are bootlickers in terms of trump. They stand for absolutely nothing. Certainly not libertarian principles
AB… To answer your question, joi would support anyone who is respected by the world. Joi may be a bot. But for more understanding, watch this:
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=6tczUoWVR-8
It may give you some insight into the mind of globalists and, unfortunately, never Trumper’s who cannot defend their positions.
Meanwhile, I will alert HP that we have another bot or troll on our hands.
Appreciate you."Meanwhile, I will alert HP that we have another bot or troll on our hands"
I've done nothing wrong here. I've expressed opinions just like anybody else.
Maybe you should mind your own business. I'll certainly be contacting this forum about you.
Your group is awfully unfriendly and unwilling to debate civilly.Don't run away or allow yourself to be intimidated, Joie de vie.
Your voice and opinions are valued and appreciated.
It is small minded for those that want to silence others simply because they don't like what they have to say, it is so positively Right winger of them.
Only Heaven knows about the sheer miracle of my being able to find a landfill big enough to accommodate all the garbage from "their side".
So, Keep on truckin'.....I did not think so, AB, we all know that it is not right censor people or "shoot the messenger" simply because we do not like what he or she has to say.
On the other hand, maybe we all don't know that?How silly.
But, I do have to give you credit for your dramatic performances. The Academy applauds you!Thanks, Can I take my Oscar now for "best dramatic performance" within a Hub Pages forum?
LOL ya'll have made me laugh out loud.
Happy Friday, happy weekend, Happy Independence Day, happy LIFE!
The support is much appreciated. I'll try but I assume I'll be banned by the end of the day by Savy
Not cool, and so unfair. Garbage? Are your posts treated as Garbage?
Oh well, live and learn.
Do you think that advice will be beneficial in this situation? Will it solve the problem of this person being banned continuously? Maybe, we all get the hell along, and not put out an attitude that promotes division. How about that?
You speak of "their side". Our side is not as a rule overbearing with derogatory comments. we certainly would not call your thoughts or your views garbage. No one is silencing anyone. To be honest, many (not all) here are overly placating, in my view, and keep a civil tongue.Sharlee, do I ever hear the conservative, rightwing types ever extol or have anything good to say about the virtues of liberal and progressivism ?
I supported Biden, even though you endlessly castigate him. What am I supposed to make of that? Your side has plenty of derogatory comments if you just took off your red tinted glasses and have a closer look.
While I respect you and your thoughts, this is a debate forum, not romper room. As far as I am concerned, we are already divided, perhaps hopelessly so....
We shouldn't be threatening people having contrary ideas with bannishment or being removed solely because we don't like their ideas. I have never even considered that, because I am not afraid of contrary ideas, but that is part of progressive thought.
While I am in such an attack mode, I am committed to do it nicely, tongue in cheek, as it were. I delight in throwing in a dollop of good humor in from time to time.
I treat this rightwing movement much like Colonel Hogan dealt with Stalag 13, and let the readers and participants see and judge for themselves.
bTW, happy 4th to you.
And it is true, I have a quest for undermining what as see a problematic conservatism whereever I can.
I am going to naturally challenge the ideas without dismissing the person.
I like to think that I will get people to discover the danger of rightwing attitudes and see that they need to avoid them like a plague.
I think the group here is diverse, yet we keep our cool much of the time. I also think most here perhaps don't venture into the thick of social media. So, might find your post (how to say this) aggressive. Your comments would not be aggressive on many more popular social sites.
My comment is not meant to insult --- but to help.I think I can guess --- Visit this comment
https://hubpages.com/politics/forum/356 … ost4298429
AB admitted to being a conservative/libertarian.=, she asked you a question ---
ABWILLIAMS WROTE:
Key words, "I don't think" his heart.....
You don't think so? Who do you think a conservative/libertarian would be more likely to support?
Your reply --- ABWILLIAMS WROTE:
Key words, "I don't think" his heart.....
You don't think so? Who do you think a conservative/libertarian would be more likely to support?
Your reply --- "Certainly not Trump and there is no truly libertarian candidate at this point. You have a bunch of Republican candidates who are bootlickers in terms of trump. They stand for absolutely nothing. Certainly not libertarian principles"
AB asked you a question, did she not? You did not answer the question, you just came back with "certainly not" derogatory views of Trump, and Republican candidates.
I think AB, as well as most here, have come to know your feelings in regard to political parties. So, it was clear AB was not looking for your view on all that is Republican --- she asked a direct question, and you diverted, did you not?
Hey, you asked, in my view, this is where the conversation went --- aggressive.
Maybe it would have served you better to just answer AB's question. And see where the conversation went from there.I answered her question in a straightforward manner, yes but there is nothing aggressive about it. I failed to see how I questioned her "truth" from her post that I responded to I did not even glean that she's a libertarian whatsoever.
Savys response to AB referring to me is much more aggressive and condescending. She out right made presumptions about me."Who do you think a conservative/libertarian would be more likely to support?"
I don't note you answering this question. What candidates or persons did you give as an example that she would more likely support?
Your reply --- "Certainly not Trump and there is no truly libertarian candidate at this point. You have a bunch of Republican candidates who are bootlickers in terms of trump. They stand for absolutely nothing. Certainly not libertarian principles"
So who did you offer as an example? You offered who they certainly not Trump... and called the rest "bootlickers" -- so I would assume you are saying there is no Republican or libertarian that AB might support.I clearly told her in my response that there was no libertarian candidate. I also did it in a very non-offensive non-aggressive manner. There is no libertarian candidate in my opinion. Trump is not libertarian and the rest who have thrown their hats into the ring are clearly bootlickers in my opinion. What agenda have any of them put forward? I clearly answered her question that there is no libertarian candidate among the field currently. Not sure how I can be more clear and don't understand why I am being persecuted to the nth degree. My comment had nothing to do with who she would support personally. You read into that. She can clearly support whoever she wants and believe their libertarian if she wants to but I don't hold the same views and that's my right.
The amount of government that these Republicans want, lol, that is so far from libertarian views."She" supports Donald J. Trump!
I believe he was robbed of four years, given to him legitimately by the American people.
Otherwise, I would be getting behind and supporting someone else.
Settled.
I remain in awe of your thoroughness and patience, Sharlee.
Have a fantastic Independence Day. We must stay strong and never give up. Our freedom depends upon it.Sazzy --- you have a great Independence Day too! HeyI am already celebrating the wonderful groundbreaking wins that the SC gave us. I have great faith, as you know, that a great majority of Americans are waking up, and finally realizing what has been occurring these past two and half years.
Yes, we need to be very strong, and not give up --- our very freedoms depend on our strength. Our cool heads and common sense, and good values, will bring us to where we need to be.
Hi savvy, so nice to see your lovely face here, now and then.
It is hard to know these days what's real and what isn't; even real people with a beating heart and somewhat functional brain, do come off as robotic at times.
Nothing you say, registers with them...or so it seems!
Hope all is well with you!
This old song just came to mind.
I keep rollin' with the flow {as crazy as it gets} I'm still ME!
https://youtu.be/b9_7ByKnwWYI have the same thought, perhaps not a bot but this person's comments are being quickly produced, maybe by AI, at Chat GPT. Seems this person's comments divert frequently, and media fodder is the bigger part of the post.
Your heart rate is very low. Need to have that checked out. Perhaps you are on a Blood pressure heart med that is decreasing your heart rate. Which can be a side effect. Or maybe you are an athlete... Athlete's HR is as a rule low. Just a heads up...
You know something, I don't know, I have woken up in the morning with pulse rates in the upper 40s. I would like to think that my marathon running helps to maintain a sound ticker so It does not have to work as hard to keep everything in place. I am almost 70 years, so it is possible, in my opinion. With the health state of most Americans, you just don't see it very often.
Athletes most frequently have low heart rates. As a rule, it ends up being meds that cause a low heart rate.
I have read about athletes with morning heart rates in the upper 30s. At my age, I am hardly an athlete nor obsessed with sports. Routine maintenance that include exercise can go a long way in promoting longevity, strong hearts and General good health.
Of course, you, as a nurse already knows that.40 – 60 bpm. is cause to have a check-up. To seek the cause is not Bradycardia something to mess with. It can be a direct warning of serious heart problems. I can assure you that as a nurse anyone with an HR in the 30s would be notifying the House doc, and we would wheel a code cart outside the patient's room.
Unless you are an only child and do not have any cousins, I am sure that you understand that there are family members that are going to make things up and resent you for your success. If you do not, you are an outlier and should not be giving this woman, who probably suffers from antisocial personality disorder, so much credibility.
Of course, excuses excuses. Better to have random uneducated people on the internet asess someone's mental or physical health. Got it. You place all these motives on Mary Trump when you know absolutely nothing about her. Of course she must be some sort of relative with a grudge if she speaks against your idol. Odd.
He is not my idol but you are obviously someone with TDS as all I tried to point out was that many relatives do that. Why are you and other TDS sufferers so eager to accept the word of this woman?
She is a doctor and she obviously knows him in the family better than users of this forum
Wow, I am really impressed since we all know that doctors can never have personal grudges and a distorted view based on jealousy of others.
I'm impressed that somehow you know she has a grudge.
You should apply for a job at MSNBC since they are able to make up things too. I am sure you know how to read so would you point out where I said that I know that she has a grudge?
What I said was doctors can also have grudges, and what I asked earlier was why you are so adamant about assuming that anything she said is true.
There are therapists available that can help TDS sufferers lead normal lives.
It slays me how you people assume, so much BS when you don't have a clue. First off TDS has been made up by right wing extremists. Good luck at finding a clinical psychologists who can define it.
Secondly you don't have a clue about Mary Trump. She is a bonafide practicing clinical psychologist and I too have read her book. It is very revealing about the Trump family.
Here is what Mary Trump is about.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mary_L._TrumpYou PEOPLE have no clue about anything, and certainly nothing about this person based on a wikepedia page. The fact that you think you do just proves that you are a follower of whatever drivel the media decides to spoon feed you.
ab; Why don't you do it yourself and report back to me what you find. Good luck!!!.
Was not this the reason why these sort of commenters should go back to school? Back to Elementary school, and repeat their upper class?
I will stick with my diagnosis. Primary progressive aphasia is only one symptom, and in my view, he is slowly digressing into Alzheimer's.
Hopefully, he is lucky and he is experiencing dementia, which has a much slower and more gradual progression.
Alzheimer's is a type of dementia that affects memory, thinking, and behavior once it is noted it progresses more quickly. I think Biden shows signs of worsening more quickly. One only needs to compare some footage from a year ago to now.
What I find most hard to accept is --- his wife is going along with letting him be used in this manner.
And the diagnosis you put on trump? What would that be
I must refer you to a permalink. PP and I have discussed just that subject over the years.
https://hubpages.com/politics/forum/358 … ost4297320Aren't personality disorders just as detrimental as cognitive disorders?
Honestly, Sharlee, you are the most patient woman I have ever encountered. I could not imagine making an effort to argue with the Tom Parson of HP.
You must have been a very dedicated nurse.
As for Biden's cognitive state, that is a non-issue for me. He has always been stupid and corrupt. He will be replaced by his equal. Most likely, Gavin Newsom, a man who is also amoral, but younger.And trump? Not stupid? Not corrupt? LOL. This forum is fodder for a subreddit who directs people here.
Gavin Newsom president? That's a scary thought.
Gavin Newsom shows to be in favor of California seceding from the Union as implied in this news article>>> https://rzadek.medium.com/did-californi … 88cd691ab6
If such an event were to come to fruition, that could not be good for the American economy. If Gavin Newsom becomes our president and continues to view California as a "nation-state," we will all be that much closer to California being legally severed from our nation.How in debt is California?
It's $18.9 billion debt is more than twice as large as every other state.May 3, 2023. Yeah, we want this man in the White House...If California is that much in debt, then Gavin Newsom will definitely make the national debt much worse than it is in the event that he does get elected as our next president. His school of thought of wanting California to secede from the United States is extremely dangerous. If he gets into the White House, he's bound to do everything he can in his executive power to ensure that California is granted secesion from our nation. And that's under the assumption that the next governor of California is a Democrat. California has not had a Republican governor in over a decade.
Sure, there will be people who will try to stop Gavin Newsom if he does get into the White House and tries to sever California away from the United States. However, if he is successful at doing so, the price of our cheese and diary products is going to skyrocket; and groceries are already expensive enough.
I've seen Gavin Newsom interviewed on television, and he is very flamboyant in the way he speaks. The fact alone that California has such a high debt and there continues to be more and more homeless people in California every year only shows that he doesn't care about anyone but himself and his agenda. A Newsom administration would undoubtedly be a disaster.Well, liberals may truly love him, California is a sanctuary state, with lots of freebies for all, very open drug use policies, and so much more... And he has such good hair. I mean what's not to love?
Would you not welcome all mentioned and more? LOLOh my God! States cannot secede from the union. Just think of interstate commerce, like trains airplanes, trucking....and then there are laws. And even more so, the pledge of allegiance would have to be changed: "One Nation Indivisible with liberty and justice for all." That is from the Constitution.
It would definitely be a disaster if it were to happen.
How are you comparing the debt of California to any other state considering how large and populous it is?
https://www.zippia.com/advice/states-most-least-debt/Even if that report is accurate that California is number 18 in the amount of its debt as compared with other states, its economy still doesn't look good. Homelessness is everywhere out there. I used to live out in Southern California, and the homeless situation there was already starting to become noticeable. Under the governorship of Gavin Newsom, it is worse than it has ever been; and he still hasn't come up with a successful solution to this problem.
There have even been rich people who have lost everything because of unusual circumstances, and many of them are living on the streets out there. When I was living out there, I came across a book in a book store that stated in its blurb that 1 out of every 3 people in California who was financially comfortable got sued.
Now Gavin Newsom wants to break that state away from the Union. If that happens, everybody in our nation suffers. If Gavin Newsom becomes our next president, you know that he's going to do everything in his executive power to make the secession of California possible. If Nancy Pelosi becomes California's next governor, she'll bow down to everything he wants out of her. He does not belong in the White House, because he puts his own special interests above those of American people as a whole. He should have been booted out of the Democratic Party years ago.If you are homeless wouldn't you gravitate toward the most temperate climate in our country? Seems to be sort of a no-brainer to me.
But here is the thing. The majority of homeless people in California are locals. Sure, there are some people who move from elsewhere to California looking for the American dream and end up way in over their head and homeless, but you'll often come across a story about someone who was living in the lap of luxury in Malibu and got sued into poverty and homelessness. Moreover, if Gavin Newsom becomes president and succeeds in getting California severed from the Union, all chaos will break loose with the American economy. That's so not good. Gavin Newsom is not about Democratic values or Republican values or even Independent moderate values. Gavin Newsom is about Gavin Newsom and his agenda.
Well, I think Gavin is waiting patiently in the wings for Biden to --- maybe mess up his diaper or finally go over the edge and think he is Geoge Washington.
Hey, Savvy we need to think positively, we are going to rid the White House of the corrupt, and yes stupid.
I giggle and chucle. Shae, is killing me with laughter! Poor old joe biden, don't fall again.
No wonder those big money guys and institutions that support and help bring old joe biden to power knows all these weaknesses. Dose they intended to disgraced America, with shame, disgrace, and other malaces? Decades ago such a scenario happen in my country, Nigeria. The President was a goodman with good intentions. But fellow politicians want to take advantage of him, and they did. This is the reason why bad things are happen frequently these days in America. She had a puppet. God save America!
This is all very easy to analyze. The Trumpers on here are playing the "what if Biden game." There is nothing new here so I'm not even going to dignify those comments. Time will tell if Trump will be incarcerated for all his crimes. If he isn't ,it's because of his money and a corrupt government that he put in place.
Currently, Trump files a counterclaim against E. Jean Carroll, alleging defamation. His childish ego can't accept losing. That's what Jan. 6 and the documents are all about.
He would be great in a war that requires combat, but this is not combat. It is supposed to be civility for the government and the American people as one united nation, with co-equal branches of government, and with a peaceful transfer of power, not someone who can't accept losing. Trump is his own worst enemy.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics … &ei=73
Thank you to all of you who so frequently post a source for your comments. (A special thanks to those who don't source delegitimized FOX.)
The inquiry into Donald Trump’s handling of classified material revolved largely around his Florida club and residence, but investigators were also quietly focused on his New Jersey property.
Previously unreported details of the investigation show that prosecutors working for Mr. Smith have subpoenaed surveillance footage from Bedminster, much like they did from Mar-a-Lago, and fought a pitched battle with Mr. Trump’s lawyers late last year over how best to search the New Jersey property.
At one point in the early fall of last year, investigators went so far as to discuss executing a search warrant at Bedminster, according to two people briefed on the matter. Investigators were concerned that more documents were stashed at the club and the only way to account for them was to search the property. But one of the people said the Justice Department lacked probable cause to obtain a warrant from a judge.
Prosecutors also issued at least one subpoena for surveillance camera footage from Bedminster as well, according to two people familiar with the matter. The subpoena for that footage came some time after the government’s request for the Mar-a-Lago footage, the people said, though it remains unclear what the footage shows or precisely why prosecutors wanted to obtain it.
https://www.nytimes.com/2023/06/27/us/p … nster.htmlI do believe that savvy simply suspected bot-like behavior and expressed her concerns.
Ok, but common courtesy would keep one from making such accusations toward anyone. I will rip an idea or point of view to shreds if it is merited, without attacking the person.
What is all this negativity associated with a "bot" anyway? IT is capable of carrying on discourse and polite discussion within the forum. What else can you want?"Ok, but common courtesy would keep one from making such accusations toward anyone."
Does this not ring hypocritical?
"It is small-minded for those that want to silence others simply because they don't like what they have to say, it is so positively Right winger of them.
Only Heaven knows about the sheer miracle of my being able to find a landfill big enough to accommodate all the garbage from "their side".
I say no more... no really"Silence" means banning from my perspective. I have never told anyone that they could not say what ever they wanted as long as we avoid personal attacks, which I do relatively well.
This "small-minded right-winger" loaded up with too much "garbage" for the "landfill" to accommodate, can somehow manage to comprehend what you are saying Sharlee.
So, I don't like MAGA, conservative driven thought processes. Everybody knows that. But, I never called anyone out anyone personally
That is true, you just in this case (in this case) napalmed an entire group of human beings that just might have individual views.
Ya know what I am letting this one go --- I think you might be having a low pulse rate. Let's just all be friends.
Yes, I should keep my garbage to myself, and save the planet. LOL
Shar,
Here is a good story about the recycling scam. MOST people know nothing about it.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NLkfpjJoNkAUnbelievable, thanks for the link. I know here in Michigan we have Statewide, more than $435 million a year in recoverable materials thrown away and buried in landfills, according to a 2016 report by the Michigan Department of Environment, Great Lakes and Energy. Here in Michigan we even take recyclables from Canada, and bury theirs to --- for a cost.
Exactly. So sorry you have to hear such trash.
I have been personally denigrated by you.
I realize that my calling you out for your Progressive ideals, awhile ago, and for your support of the Black Panthers, of old, has made you antagonistic toward me.
So, do not say you avoid personal attacks if you want to remain believable. It simply isn’t true. You have attacked me.
But, Republicans are forgiving… It’s what we do, sometimes to our detriment.
As an aside, your come-back about the Academy awards was hilarious. I enjoyed it immensely.Haven't got time for antagonism from on line, Savvy, life is too short. Have more than my share of "brick and mortar" concerns to occupy my time.
Progressives and conservatives are natural oil and water and are not going to mix.
But the fact that you do have a sense of humor can open possibilities, toward renewed dialogue.
You are feisty, Savvy, even though we are on opposite poles, it is never dull.
Hi AB. The YouTube video is about 20 minutes long. You might consider watching it when you have spare time.
Have a splendid day.
(Really loved the last article you wrote!)I did start watching it, but didn't get through it. I will watch the rest of it this evening.
You do the same and have a spectacular Independence Day - God Bless America!
(Thank you)
...and furthermore, where are the conservatives? Why don't they ever jump on here, bot or not...are there conservative bots?!?
These things I ponder.Lol on the level?? What does that mean? Compared to some others here I haven't said anything that's been out of line whatsoever. There are folks on here that are downright insulting to others even though they try to do it in a backhanded way.
I hear ya on that, I experience it often.
Have you considered that they just don't agree with you, and are saying it in a polite way? Do you feel that all will agree with you all of the time? We have many conservatives here, and chances are views will more likely clash.
Some Conservatives would rather walk away than beat a dead horse. This is something you might consider.Joi, I have no issue with anything you’ve said. We’ve had quite a few people here who are either not real, or have been banned but returned under another name. If you are not one of those, you need not have any concern.
What gives you the right and others on this forum to judge others comments and report them to HP? The last time I looked this is still America and the first Amendment gives us the right to freedom of speech.
Unless you can prove slander or defamation of character, I believe you are out of line to intimidate people with your threats and conspiracy of Bots, just because a person has the ability to form their thoughts and express them very quickly.I have two agendas in this forum (1) I don't ever, ever,ever, want Trump to serve as president again. (2) I have a need to point out the hypocrisy, by those who criticize Biden without comparing them to Trump's criminal behavior..
I feel it is my duty as an American to do just that. Yes, I have wrapped myself around the flag, just like many of you Trumpers do.PP, if Joi is on the level, he, she, it...has no worries. That was made crystal clear already.
No one is harassing anyone here and I, for one, really don't care what YOUR agenda is. Coming in all huffy and puffy for no good reason, again I suggest...isn't good for you.ab: Who or what determines whether Joi is on the level or not? You, savydating, sharlee?
You call it huffy, puffy, I call it reality and my agenda is laying it on the line, so that people on this forum can understand my motivation for my comments. If you don't understand that. Then it is your problem, not mine."ab: Who or what determines whether Joi is on the level or not? You, savvydating, sharlee?"
Answer: Joi.
No, I don't understand your choosing this particular thread to charge in stating your agenda, as if you are the HP Police.
That is all that was meant by that.
I am over it now, hopefully you are too.
Happy Independence Day to you and yours PP!! God Bless America!ab: LOL. I am the HP police, when savydating and others are ready to report Joi to HP if they feel his is not on level?...Do you even see the hypocrisy in that? Happy 4th to you as well.
Peoplepower, If someone has been banned, it is not fair if they come back under another name. And no one should have to talk with a bot.
No offense, but some of these newcomers sound the same. They are practically interchangeable. Maybe thinking outside the box is not their forte.
Have a nice 4th!Deleted
Savvy has been very clear; this is an ongoing problem at HP.
If you are on the up and up, on the level, not as described - you would not have been banned.
No need for a personal attack. Take it somewhere else.Deleted
So you do have a history, some roots, here at HP?
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Well if that is true, buckle up and hold on, because I have a lot to say!!!
I have been denied writing articles, because I dared to take the side of women, in particular, biological female athletes. Is that not bias?
I was told if I attempted to take the side of female athletes again, with another article, I would be permanently banned! Is that not bias?
I am a WOMAN and proud of it, aka: an adult female!!! But, I can't be defined, because it's insensitive and hurtful!?!
(Right? Isn't that the latest garbage? Leftist female Supreme Court nominee can't define "woman".....it's insensitive to men identifying as women?) It Is MADNESS, that's what it is) Bias on steroids!!!
ARE YOU DOCUMENTING ALL OF THIS?
I sure hope so.
I have had stories/articles/posts buried because I have dared to say that babies have the right to life. Bias!!!
I have been flagged for daring to say that Kindergarteners don't need to be taught to hate who God made them to be!! For daring to say that 13 year old girls shouldn't have their breasts cut off because some weirdo leftists suggests it and then ALLOWS... ENGINEERS... for it to happen!! Bias!?!
Every single article I have written from a conservative perspective, gets buried/flagged/reported...on social media. Is that not bias?
I was flagged for sharing the Hunter Biden Laptop story which hit right before the election. Is that not bias? (Incidentally, we have since learned that if more people had known about the Bidens ties to Communist China, they would not have voted for Biden)
What do you care right? Who are you affiliated with?!?
Where is MY outside group? Hopefully, MONITORING you!!!AB, just easier to stay clear. No really, better not to converse and get banned. Walk away, not worth it. Better to keep the peace than get in the mud. Ignore them, and this person will head somewhere else where they can get a rise out of others.
No Sharlee, I will not walk away on this one. It is often a good idea, but not this time.
This person chose this particular forum discussion, which I initiated - so I cannot walk away from it.
Finally admitting to being "from an outside group, here to monitor conservative bias", after acting so victimized.
No, thanks for the advice, but not walking away and I take nothing back. Not in this case.Deleted
This is a political forum; some here are conservative, some are liberal, some are libertarian, some are moderate! We show up here to debate and banter back and forth, it's a beautiful thing! Some show up here, simply to cause problems, I have seen it happen more than once!!
Many of us have been a part of HP for over a decade; we have had many good discussions over the years. It does get heated at times, but we work through our differences and then we come back and we do it all over again...
I had nothing against Faye, we disagreed about nearly everything, but we had several productive discussions, or so I thought. I wish her well.
Now I am done. This conversation is over.
P.S. One more thing, GUESS WHO wrote the following:
"Let me say you are painfully stupid."
You did, JOIEEDEVIEE.Deleted
Not my friend savvydating. It's hard to understand her in a little while. But ask her questions. And, she'll open up. She's very critical, and can't take you at your words, until she has research the facts. Oh, what a very fine gentle lady savvydating is.
What I have followed here is this person insulting anyone that does not agree with her (Faye). This thread gives a perfect example of her technique. If you don't agree with her logic she simply continues to "beat the dead horse", so to say, until she turns to personal insults.
It would appear it may just be you that wants to stamp down free speech. Hopefully many read your comment here. All I can say is How dare you.
Hopefully, the Moderator is watching.
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Are you an alien by chance?
You might get a kick out of this:
https://fb.watch/lyLrrkyCf7/?mibextid=mXAvQF
It's always been quite interesting to me that very condescending downright insulting conservatives can freely do whatever they like. Then the conservatives come along and try and take the posts of the more liberal members and twist them into something they are totally not and feign they are being attacked. It's a pattern I see on here over and over.
With this I agree. At least its the case with some rude and hostile right wing members.Go through this thread again and then decide which CAUSE you wish to defend.
Im not defending any cause.
And its not only this thread im talking about.
"The ongoing problem here of squashing free speech on this forum"
Oh my, this is one thing that no one here on this Forum would agree with. We share free speech, we share free thoughts without a doubt that the other guy can take it.
It is very clear you can't accept anyone's view but your own. You become angry and get personal. Instead of just reading someone else view, and taking it as it is, you confront them, and one could say --- belittle their thoughts.
This forum is a place where we have become accustomed to sharing views, and yes we all go back and forth, we all have individual personalities --- but we live and let live.
You say some twist words, and we debate. We have left, right, middle, and fence-sitters. All have their own way of conversing. Maybe you just need to consider this. I think you have come to the wrong chat if you feel others will be willing to shelve their own thoughts.Deleted
YIKES!
Trump 2024 aide who allegely saw classified map works for China lobbying firm
A top Donald Trump campaign adviser — who apparently was shown classified documents by the former president — has a top post at a lobbying firm serving Chinese entities that potentially pose a national security threat and help Beijing commit human rights abuses.
Susie Wiles works on Trump’s 2024 campaign and is co-chair of Mercury Public Affairs, which has taken millions of dollars in recent years from Chinese companies such as Yealink, Hikvision and Alibaba.
The telecommunications company Yealink, whose products were flagged for security issues, reportedly paid Mercury $240,000 in 2022, according to lobbying disclosures.
In September 2021, Sen. Chris Van Hollen (D-Md.) wrote a letter to Commerce Secretary Gina Raimondo noting a security analytics company found Yealink phones contained software to secretly record calls and track web browsing on local networks.
That data can then be transferred back to administrators in China, where companies must comply with any government requests to hand over information related to national security.
Mercury did not terminate its business with Yealink until May 2023.
The lobbying firm also had the US subsidiary of Hikvision as one of its largest foreign clients last year, raking in more than $1.7 million, according to the money-in-politics tracker OpenSecrets.
Hikvision makes video surveillance equipment for the Chinese government, some of which has been used to locate and detain Uyghur Muslims in Xinjiang, Axios reported in April.
Since 2019, the Commerce Department has barred US companies from selling goods or services to Hikvision, but not all of its subsidiaries.
In November, the Federal Communications Commission also rejected new-device authorizations for Hikvision and other companies that were deemed national security threats.
It is unclear whether Wiles’ firm kept Hikvision as a client into 2023.
Mercury also still receives payments from Alibaba, in which the Chinese government holds a minority stake.
Since 2022, the lobbying firm has collected $400,000 from its work with the tech giant.
Wiles, a veteran of several GOP campaigns including Ron DeSantis’ 2018 run for Florida governor, has also been identified as one of several people to whom the 45th president allegedly revealed sensitive material, ABC News reported late Wednesday.
According to a 37-count indictment brought earlier this month by special counsel Jack Smith, a “PAC representative” — reportedly Wiles — visited the 77-year-old ex-president at his Bedminster, NJ, golf club in August or September 2021 and was improperly shown a classified map of a foreign nation.
Trump told the person “he should not be showing the map” and “to not get too close,” prosecutors say.
If confirmed, the episode is further complicated by both Wiles’ high standing in the Trump campaign and her firm’s lobbying for potential hostile entities — though a search of the Justice Department’s registry of foreign agents indicated Wiles had not worked directly for those clients.
“Susie could put Trump away for years in just one minute of testimony to Jack Smith,” a rival GOP operative told The Post. “She’s got Trump by the balls, which means she can name her price for her loyalty and Trump can’t say no.”
https://nypost.com/2023/06/29/trump-aid … ves-china/If this is true it puts Trump on an equal footing to Biden and his "China first" policy. As you point out, though, it is only "allegedly" and the press have lied about Trump for so many years that it is hard for most people to accept anything they say about him now, whether or not it is true.
As it is every time. And we know how all those turned out.
That's true. Everybody is innocent until proven guilty in a court of law. President Trump has been convicted of nothing.
Agree, yet many in our society have already placed judgment and would be comfortable with assigning punishment. Guilty, until proven innocent, is some idea of justice these days. Very dangerous, is it not?
Thus far this is an uncalibrated account --- Trump 2024 aide who allegedly saw classified map works for a China lobbying firm.
Yes, it would be very damaging if proven to be factual.
It is remarkable how, "allegedly", supposedly and even hypothetically with regard to Trump...trumps FACTS about Biden and anyone else within the Democratic party and within the D.C. swamp.
But, obviously, it is working for them, as many, carry the water, for them.ab: It is remarkable how, "allegedly", supposedly and even hypothetically with regard to Biden...Biden's FACTS about Trump and anyone else within the Republican party and within the GOP. swamp.
But, obviously, it is working for them, as many, carry the water, for them.
See how that works!!!
Have a great 4th.No, you don't get to take my words and twist them to your heart's content...
And you don't get the last word.ab: Your syntax and use of words, just fit all you Trumpets, perfectly. All I had to do was substitute Biden for Trump. Thanks for your elegant prose.
PBS "May 9, 2023 — A New York jury convicted former President Trump for sexual assault of columnist E. Jean Carroll in the mid-90s and later defaming her."
Snopes: "Because Trump was not convicted of a crime, it is not accurate to say that he is "a convicted sexual abuser." Instead, it is accurate to say that a jury unanimously decided that it was more likely than not true that Trump sexually abused and forcibly touched Carroll, and as such, her defamation claim was valid."
Thank you for taking the time to point out her diversion. One would think the original topic might have given her enough glee.
That being said, I’ve lost all trust in Rupert Rhino’s credibility. Stupid of him to have allowed his editors to post the pics (in the article) of “classified” documents, fanned out like magazines, on a coffee table.
Biden is compromised due to his dealings with China, Ukraine and Russia. That’s a fact. It’s all documented.
We will see about Susie Wiles. I doubt there is anything there. Time will tell.Deleted
And the 'user' has absolutely no featured articles too? Ideas created even the bias read or story. Repeat: 'And the world is watching'. I found it fun for someone who join the site for a short while ago, and had to dive in a discussion that is trending for months. Funny enough, it's curious who the 'user' is
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Savvy
I can agree. Thus far, in my view, It is clear we are seeing another smear campaign with no real evidence in regard to Susie Wiles.
And yes I agree with the factual documents in regard to bank records, emails, and clear evidence from firsthand whistleblowers, as well as Rep. James Comer, the Republican chairman of the House Oversight Committee findings --- which is vast.
The physical evidence is mounting, and showing corruption in the FBI, and the DOJ. The documentation is staggering, and much of it is posted on Comer's and Grassley's Government websites.
The evidence of laundering money from one Biden family fake LLC to another
The Complicated Web of Biden Family and Associates’ Companies: Biden family members and business associates created a web of over 20 companies—most were limited liability companies formed after Joe Biden became Vice President.
The Biden Family Received Millions of Dollars from Foreign Sources: Bank records show the Biden family, their business associates, and their companies received over $10 million from foreign nationals’ and their related companies.
The Committee has identified payments to Biden family members from foreign companies while he served as Vice President and after he left public office.
The Biden Family Used Business Associates’ Companies to Receive Foreign Funds: Despite creating many companies after Vice President Biden took office, the Biden family used business associates’ companies to receive millions of dollars from foreign companies.
Attempts to Conceal Large Financial Transactions: After foreign companies sent money to business associates’ companies, the Biden family received incremental payments over time to different bank accounts. These complicated financial transactions appear to be meant to conceal the source of the funds and reduce the conspicuousness of the total amounts made into the Biden bank accounts.
Chinese Nationals Hid the Source of the Money:Chinese nationals and companies with significant ties to Chinese intelligence and the Chinese Communist Party hid the source of the funds paid out to the Bidens by layering domestic limited liability companies.
The Biden family and associates’ activities in coordination with Chinese nationals and their corporate entities appear to be an attempt to engage in financial deception. Multiple Biden family members received money from the Chinese after it passed through an associate’s account. Additionally, Hunter Biden received money directly into his company’s account from a Chinese-controlled entity.
Biden Family and Associates’ Activities in Romania Indicate Influence Peddling Scheme: The Biden family and associates’ activities in Romania bear clear indicia of a scheme to peddle influence from 2015 to 2017. While Vice President Biden lectured Romania on corruption and ethics, the Bidens received over a million dollars from a company controlled by a Romanian individual accused of corruption, Gabriel Popoviciu, through a Biden family associate.
https://oversight.house.gov/release/com … %EF%BF%BC/
Flageed bank documents -- https://www.grassley.senate.gov/news/re … -companies
Shapley interviews ---
https://www.cnbc.com/2023/06/22/irs-age … -case.html
https://nypost.com/2023/05/26/irs-whist … n-coverup/
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/irs-wh … estigation
Mr. Shapley has given damming testimony that shows deep corruption out of the DOJ. He has 6 others that will confirm his testimony due to being present at the same meeting with AG Weiss. That Shapley claims wanted to charge Hunter Biden with several serious tax crimes and he was turned away by the California AG, as well as the DC AG... Mr. Shapley is credible and was the agent that headed up the IRS investigation into Hunter Biden and worked alongside Weiss.
In my view, Comer is working feverishly to bring the Biden family to justice. And with all the clear firsthand evidence, it should not be hard.
SharHi Sharlee, I am currently listening to a podcast featuring John Paul, the man who turned Hunter Biden’s laptop over to the FBI. I am one quarter of the way through…
You would likely find it interesting. It corroborates all you said and much more (some things may even surprise you). I can message you directly from HP, if you are interested in the link.
Thus far, Hunter has received a slap on the wrist. I doubt that he will “suffer” much more. Nevertheless, it is important that Congress continue their efforts.
The widespread criminal activities of the Biden family is well documented in the laptop. Even the IRS has a money trail. If “conservatives” knew more, they would be horrified. There are even revelations about Zelensky which you may not have heard about yet…
Thanks for your links.
You are okay with a member of an "outside group", here under false pretenses, pretending to be a writer/participant/on the level, no different than you or I?
ab: Are you saying my fish isn't big enough to fry?
savvydating: "Biden is compromised due to his dealings with China, Ukraine and Russia. That’s a fact. It’s all documented."
"There is no evidence Joe Biden has received large sums of money from China or has otherwise gained wealth as a result of his son's business dealings abroad." - CNN
https://www.cnn.com/factsfirst/politics … f8449dfe16CNN allowed one sentence on one obscure page to state that Biden’s laptop belonged to him after all. No one who listens to CNN will learn the truth regarding Hunter’s foreign and domestic dealings. CNN does not report facts with any accuracy. They no longer hire true journalists. The days of Ted Turner’s vision are gone.
Savydating: It's obvious, you are not a CNN viewer. Chris Licht has taken over CNNN and has changed the business model. They now have more republican commentators on their panels who discuss what the other side views are. Even Trump held a town hall meeting. It was a success if you are a Trump lover, However, it was a disaster for the other side.
And yet, its still canned state approved propaganda.
Pushing the same old sorry points, while ignoring facts and occurances that do not help further the agendas.
As for the example you try to make regarding Trump... Trump was meant to be character assassinated, humiliated and/or compromised by the host, she tried her best.
Trump does not stick to conventional or accepted civil decorum when in a debate or when being grilled by a host that has an agenda she is expected to pursue. That is why it backfired on CNN and went so well, according to Trump supporters.I know how well Trump performed during the CNN Town Hall meeting. I am also aware that the “Republicans” CNN hired, to date, are Republican in name only.
Attempting to define oneself as a Republican does not mean one is a Republican. Hence, the term Rhino.
You are correct in assuming I am not a CNN viewer. However, every news station, podcast, and book I read takes the time to give us current news from the side of Democrats… quite consistently, in fact.
Consequently, I am all too aware of CNN’s reporting. They are not good investigative journalists. They are not even remotely good. In fact, their reporting is substandard.
This is why their ratings are in the tank.
Only those who have been fully indoctrinated and made to feel afraid of other news sources, that do not (entirely) support their opinion, actually believe that CNN and MSM are true and worthwhile news sources.Agreed. CNN must plot a new course, that's 'not for show', alone. If they do, they may stand a chance of redemption.
He was let go a month ago --- "Chris Licht, the embattled chief executive and chairman of CNN, whose brief one-year tenure at the network was stained by a series of severe missteps, departed the company on Wednesday.
“I met with Chris and he will be leaving CNN,” David Zaslav, the chief executive of parent company Warner Bros. Discovery, told CNN employees at the start of the network’s daily editorial meeting."
https://www.cnn.com/2023/06/07/media/ch … er%20Bros.
CNN ratings are very bad, they did get a bump the night of the Trump town hall.
CNN has lost credibility, perhaps America is tired of 24/7 negative smearing of Trump.
Trump was Trump on the CNN town hall. He made the host look like a gal with a big chip on her shoulder. Many Americans like Trump because he is forthright. He projects --- if you don't like it that is your problem.
FOX is not a credible source: sued and fined for broadcasting lies.
I don’t have cable. However, Fox has done some good investigative journalism. CNN has not.
I prefer podcasts and books. I also tune into television or conservative radio for about 20 minutes each day, before work.
As for lawsuits, CNN is no stranger to them:
https://lawandcrime.com/first-amendment … n-lawsuit/
CNN’s record for journalistic integrity is exceptionally bad. This is why their ratings have tanked, as I mentioned before.No news agency has ever been revealed to be untrustworthy the way FOX has. The fine issued to FOX is like no other punishment before. FACT.
Back in 2016 when Donald Trump was first running for president against Hillary Clinton, Gary Franchi of The Next News Network on YouTube referred to CNN as the "Clinton News Network." When you consider how slanted a lot of CNN journalists have been in reporting news stories over the past eight years, it becomes apparent that Mr. Franchi knew exactly what he was talking about back then.
It would seem CNN might truely win the prize for least reputable Network. They have a problem with reporting facts.
CNN settles lawsuit with Nick Sandmann stemming from viral video controversy -- https://www.cnn.com/2020/01/07/media/cn … index.html
Republican Representative Devin Nunes sued CNN for $435 million Monday claiming the network defamed Nunes when it reported he traveled to Vienna and met with Viktor Shokin, the former top Ukrainian prosecutor that Joe Biden helped oust in 2016; Nunes says the story is untrue, while CNN claims it reportedly asked him to comment before publishing.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nunes_v._CNN
CNN Hit With Defamation Lawsuit in Florida Over Alleged False Narrative About Afghanistan Evacuations
“The Most Trusted Name in News” is in the hot seat for sensational reporting that allegedly failed to include basic due diligence to ensure its accuracy, according to new claims in a federal lawsuit.
https://www.law.com/dailybusinessreview … acuations/“… failed to include basic due diligence…”
Yup. As usual.Fox News and MAGA news junkies on this forum want to bad mouth CNN with some very weak articles about how corrupt they are. When in fact, Fox was sued by Dominion for defamation of character, by Tucker Carlson and is currently pending a lawsuit by Smartmatic for the same thing as Dominion. That is magnitudes of corruption above some guy with a MAGA hat. David Nunes suit was thrown out of court (Federal judge Laura Taylor Swain dismissed the suit on February 19, 2021.) The Afghanistan lawsuit is about some guy, not being able to complete his job because they were inaccurate in their reporting. How many times has Fox news been inaccurate in their reporting?
I have to admit, as far as comparing Fox/MAGA viewership to CNN, Fox viewers are able to quickly grasp what propaganda is being broadcasted to them because of the format they use.
In my previous life, I was a technical writer and instructor for many years. I found that one of the first things you do is determine your audiences’ lowest comprehension level and that is what you teach to. That is the difference between Fox and CNN.
It is the same thing with Trump's rallies, they are geared to the ill-informed who do not question Trump's motives. Fox news viewers are made up of that same mentality, e.g., easy to grasp sound bites, with bimbos with their skirts jacked up, while sitting on couches to attract the male audience.
When Rupert Murdoch, the Australian owner of Fox, came to this country he was looking to buy a news outlet that would garner him a large viewership, so he bought the NY Post, which was in competition with the National Enquirer. He then created Fox News and modeled it after the sensationalism of the NY Post. That's why it has a larger viewership than CNN.
All news outlets are about the bottom line, the larger the viewership the more money they bring in from their sponsors. Look at MAGA news, Steve Bannon and Alex Jones are going to jail for contempt of court and lying about Sandy Hook, respectively.
Look at all the creepy crawlers on Fox. You have John Eastman, who is the mastermind of creating a false elector slate for Jan.6. Sydney Powell, who is cuckoo for coco puffs who supported the voter fraud of Dominion and then there is Jeanine Pirro, Maria Bartiromo who lied about everything Trump. Do I even have to talk about Hannity, Ingraham, and Levin?
And you all have the audacity to imply that CNN is corrupt. Have fun with your group thinking. Please validate my claims about Rupert Murdoch and Fox News and you will find I’m telling the truth and being factual."Fox News and MAGA news junkies on this forum want to bad mouth CNN with some very weak articles about how corrupt they are."
I certainly did not offer any articles per se -- What I offered was pure fact. I offered incidents of factual lawsuits that CNN has occurred due to reporting mistruths. You seem to feel you can just dismiss my examples, this is odd. One example source was from CNN.
CNN has lost credibility, it shows in the ratings. I did not touch on why I feel they are in the tank. I feel that Americans finally saw through the propaganda they presented, and the fact that they only reported what they wanted their viewer to hear. This left them truely uninformed. Americans that tune into cable news do it because they want to be informed. CNN just did not cover all the news, people switched to Fox, because they do.
No matter what it is, they report it. That is just my view.
You may have missed this --- "What happened to CNN Airport Network?
In March 2021, the CNN Airport Network permanently went off the air. The family-friendly station, which was much more news-oriented than its politics-oriented parent company, was shut down after 30 years on the air in airports across the U.S.Jan 17, 2023" "
June 7, 2023 -- Chris Licht was let go a month ago --- "Chris Licht, the embattled chief executive and chairman of CNN, whose brief one-year tenure at the network was stained by a series of severe missteps, departed the company on Wednesday.
The rest of your post is off-subject. You are comparing apples to oranges. No matter what you feel about Fox, Murdoch, or Tucker --- that has nothing to do with the failure of CNN.
"It is the same thing with Trump's rallies, they are geared to the ill-informed who do not question Trump's motives. Fox News viewers are made up of that same mentality"
I am not willing to think that h millions of viewers that watch Fox News are unintelligent. That makes no sense to me. Are the viewers that deserted CNN and jumped to Fox unintelligent?Fox News and MAGA news junkies on this forum want to bad mouth CNN with some very weak articles about how corrupt they are."
S - I certainly did not offer any articles per se -- What I offered was pure fact. I offered incidents of factual lawsuits that CNN has occurred due to reporting mistruths. You seem to feel you can just dismiss my examples, this is odd. One example source was from CNN.
M - Your mistruths are miniscule compared to the mistruths that I described about Fox.
S - CNN has lost credibility, it shows in the ratings. I did not touch on why I feel they are in the tank. I feel that Americans finally saw through the propaganda they presented, and the fact that they only reported what they wanted their viewer to hear. This left them truely uninformed. Americans that tune into cable news do it because they want to be informed. CNN just did not cover all the news, people switched to Fox, because they do.
S - No matter what it is, they report it. That is just my view.
M - You are right, that is just your view, if you have no stats to back it up.
S - You may have missed this --- "What happened to CNN Airport Network?
In March 2021, the CNN Airport Network permanently went off the air. The family-friendly station, which was much more news-oriented than its politics-oriented parent company, was In March 2021, the CNN Airport Network permanently went off the air. The family-friendly station, which was much more news-oriented than its politics-oriented parent company, was shut down after 30 years on the air in airports across the U.S.Jan 17, 2023" "
M- This is the real reason CNN is not at airports anymore. It has nothing to do with CNN viewers jumping to Fox.
https://variety.com/2021/tv/news/reach- … 235098926/
S - June 7, 2023 -- Chris Licht was let go a month ago --- "Chris Licht, the embattled chief executive and chairman of CNN, whose brief one-year tenure at the network was stained by a series of severe missteps, departed the company on Wednesday.
M - I knew that I just forgot. Actually, it was because Trump's town hall was such a disaster for CNN. That's why he was let go.
S - The rest of your post is off-subject. You are comparing apples to oranges. No matter what you feel about Fox, Murdoch, or Tucker --- that has nothing to do with the failure of CNN.
M- No but it has to do with the corruption within Fox and MAGA that is far beyond the corruption of CNN. It’s the What If game that Trumpets play about Biden and his family. By the way CNN hasn't failed. They are still on the air.
M - "It is the same thing with Trump's rallies, they are geared to the ill-informed who do not question Trump's motives. Fox News viewers are made up of that same mentality"
S - I am not willing to think that h millions of viewers that watch Fox News are unintelligent. That makes no sense to me.
S - Are the viewers that deserted CNN and jumped to Fox unintelligent?
M - I didn't say unintelligent. I said ill informed. Can you prove that CNN viewers jumped to Fox news? Did it ever occur to you that they may have moved to other MSM channels?
All one has to do is watch the people who are interviewed in a Trump rally and how they respond to critical political questions.“I knew that I just forgot”
Oh you, we know Tom Parson never forgets. He has been indoctrinated. Everything they tell him is seared into his mind. Even until the bitter end, he believes.Savydating: Here is the difference in me and all lot of people on these forums. I do the research and analysis. So you are implying that I'm like Big Brother of 1984.because I forgot something and then was reminded about it and then I remembered what it was. I'm sure you have never forgotten anything in your life and was never reminded by some event as to what it was.
Let me assure you, I am nothing like Big Brother. I am 84 years old and at my age there is nothing seared in my mind. Although I do have a lot of wisdom that I acquired over the years and I try to apply it in these forums. After seeing how you deal with those who don't agree with your agenda, I think you might be more like the thought police.
I used to be really good at Jeopardy, but now it takes me a while to answer most questions, especially about celebrities. Have a great day.Good point, and I believe you were good at jeopardy. No one expects you to remember who has been fired from CNN, including me.
However, given that every link you provide is from CNN or MSN, I would have to disagree that your analysis and research is good.
Their news coverage” seems to have been seared into your mind. That is what I was referring to.
As for words and thoughts on any subject, I welcome them. Your statement about me is false in that regard.Savydating. I hate to tell you this, but you are wrong about my links only being from CNN or MSN. I have posted links from many other sources, including the BBC, Guardian, Vox, insider trading, to name a few.
Just so you understand, MSN, presents aggregate news from many sources.. They may have the MSN URL, but their content is from many different sources, including Fox and MAGA news outlets. That is where I get my information about MTG and Boebert. Here are all the news sources on MSN for this morning's news.
The Washington Post
Reuters
USA Today
1945
Sports Health and Fitness
Reader's Digest
Life Hacker
Mediate
Washington Examiner
Huff Post
You get the picture. You should try it. It's a great diverse news source
So then you have been policing me? Thanks for dropping by.Sorry, I’m not a Russian spy. I’ve barely glanced at your posts. But I have noticed your links are mostly from CNN.
CNN is propaganda. It has worked on you, which is why you use terms like “policing” on those you disagree with.
Naughty, naughty.Savy; I got policing from your reference to 1984. You are the first one I have ever used it on. They made mention of the Thought Police in the book 1984. Policing seems to kind of fit what you do on these forums.
If one is a Trumpet, then they see CNN and MSM as propaganda, because Trump has brain washed his audience into believing it is fake news. When he first came onboard, he made sure that label stuck and he still uses it today.
If one is not a Trumpet, then propaganda is Fox, MAGA, and Trump himself.Big Brother, take care policing everyone, and everywhere.
Peoplepower, I am being polite in answering your comment. Here goes:
I assume you do not like that I can easily spot people who have been banned, even within a minute or two. It is not my fault if they are predictable.
No offense, but your posts are not that interesting to me. So, even if I were to “police” anyone, which I never do, you would be the last person I would “police.”
We all know that you have been here for some time. You’re not a bot. I also know and respect that you have every right to voice your opinions. And, we all have the right to disagree with one another. It’s the American way.
As I’ve said before, I welcome free speech. I also believe that HP has rules for a reason.
Lastly, policing is the domain of Alinsky acolytes, who are often quite successful at suppressing free speech.
I do not relate to them in any way.
Savvydating, Savvydating! See you're making me go giggle, giggle. Isn't my English improving these days? Have a nice time.
I don't read CNN. Even when it wrote on Nigeria last general election 2022, I turned to the BBC and local news online. The good news was that CNN was once very investigative. But now POLITICS, is its coat and colour.
I agree Meibakagh, but, sadly, CNN still reigns in airport terminals and hotel lobbies, etc., spreading their POLITICS throughout the world.
Happy to report --- "What happened to CNN Airport Network?
In March 2021, the CNN Airport Network permanently went off the air. The family-friendly station, which was much more news-oriented than its politics-oriented parent company, was shut down after 30 years on the air in airports across the U.S.Jan 17, 2023" YEAH!Great news. Airport news will still be replaced with mainstream media… which also suppresses truth. Nevertheless, this is a victory!
Thank you. The information is significant.
Well, that's good to know. Guess it was just coincidence that it was on in the airport bar, where we had a long layover, when we flew out west in May 2023.
More Mar-a-Lago search warrant information released in Trump classified docs case
Federal agents investigating former President Donald Trump's connection to classified materials told the judge who signed the search warrant for his Florida estate last year that they were concerned that the whereabouts of some documents were unknown, a new court filing shows.
A less redacted version of the search warrant affidavit made public Wednesday indicated that Justice Department officials became concerned after they viewed security camera video from Mar-a-Lago that they'd obtained from Trump's company.
The affidavit said the videos showed a Trump employee — since identified as aide Walt Nauta, a former White House valet — moving boxes out of a storage area where Trump and his lawyers had previously acknowledged having kept classified documents.
"The current location of the boxes that were removed from the storage room area but not returned to is unknown," the affidavit says.
Those videos were referred to in the criminal indictment filed against Trump and Nauta last month. The indictment said that in the days before the Justice Department went to recover documents pursuant to a subpoena in June of last year, Nauta removed 64 boxes from the storage room and took them to Trump's residence at Mar-a-Lago. He took just 30 of the boxes back to the storage room before federal authorities arrived, according to the indictment.
The less redacted version of the affidavit also refers to the allegations mentioned in the indictment, including statements from a Trump attorney that he’d been told “all the records that came from the White House were stored in one location within Mar-a-Lago, the storage room.” The indictment said the documents had been stored in several locations, including Trump’s office and residence, a ballroom stage and a bathroom.
The government has said the FBI search turned up over 100 classified documents, some marked "secret" and "top secret."
The federal judge in Florida who signed off on the August search warrant, Magistrate Judge Bruce Reinhart, ordered the additional information from the affidavit be made public in an order earlier Wednesday.
Reinhart denied a request by media organizations, including NBC News, that the entire affidavit be unsealed in the wake of last month's related criminal charges against Trump but found that "additional portions of the search warrant application should be unsealed."I am thinking, eventually, "the Government" will uncover a dead body or evidence of a dead body. October is a big month for such things. Stay on the case and give it more time.
Have you considered starting your own forum discussion Island or about writing a book? You have more material than Trump...maybe even Biden!! {and Biden hasn't even left office yet from his first and hopefully ONLY term!!}
This is a forum about the documents case, isnt?
I dont know how can I have "more material" than them since I only quoted relevant news of the case.
I imagine it bothers MAGA world every time they're confronted with facts about his case, but that's the guy you decided to revere.
I thought you wanted to know. "This better be good!" you said, right? Apparenty, it is. I guess it stings.No sting here!
But then I am not obsessed with nor do I have symptoms of, TDS.Oh you mean that fake disease that Trumpets like to accuse people of when they are presenting the truth and facts about Trump being a criminal and they can't handle it? Wow is that a run-on sentence or what?
It's okay PP, I get it!
https://youtu.be/expwFmTbT9AI must say --- Trump does seem to be capturing more American confidence. I think the many polls speak loudly about what America is feeling, and where they seem to be putting their confidence. Not all are satisfied with the shape the country is in, and may want to have a guy they feel did a good job, and can come in and set us back onto the right path.
Today July 6 --- Since Aug 26, 2021, polls show Biden's disapproval rating has been below his approval rating. At this point, he is at 54.2 disapproval. with only 40.5 approval.
https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/bi … al-rating/
Over the past week, there is article after article that claims that he is losing ground.to Trunp -- Source's
https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/4 … -new-poll/
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/articl … tates.html
His polls are very much dismal compared to other past presidents.
https://news.gallup.com/poll/329384/pre … biden.aspx
interesting charts comparing Trump and Biden and Obama
https://news.gallup.com/poll/472175/iss … harts.aspx
July 4, 2023, News Week Donald Trump Holds Big Lead Over Joe Biden in Swing States,
https://www.newsweek.com/trump-biden-po … 24-1810725
Umm. No. MAGA isn’t bothered. Amused, yes. Most definitely.
But, good try for the team.
Thank heavens. Americans are thinking right again, though I'm an outsider. If Trump, had not take a second shut at the presidency, old joe biden could have broken the country, if he likely win in the second run, over Florida's De Santes. Americans, this time should give 'real' Donald Trump, a REAL second chance.
A REAL first chance would be even better!
savvy: "CNN is propaganda."
Have they been sued for millions of dollars?
FOX has.How does this disprove the point which is being made? It doesn't.
This is just another deflect/distract
strategy.
Others include:
Biden is completely inept and in way over his head - soooo...Trump was mean to a Reporter!
Cocaine has been found in the White House - soooo...Trump moved around documents.
There may soon be a third world war & the economy is tanking, soooo...a Democrat is back in the White House.
Etc. Etc.
It's very, Yo Momma-esque!Sort off like a switch goes on automatically --- Blame Trump or something anything if your view or thought is challenged. It's a phenomenon.
Yes they have,, I posted several lawsuits, all having to do with reporting mistruths.
Covington Catholic’s Nick Sandmann Settles $275 Million NBC Lawsuit for ‘Confidential’ Amount
https://lawandcrime.com/media/covington … al-amount/Lawsuits are a dime a dozen. What is your point?
I already explained that I do not have cable. However, I have also said that Fox has done some good reporting. I have other news sources, but I do not disparage Fox. I will say, however, that Rupert seems to have become a Rhino. He is losing money as a result…
Nevertheless, he has some good people on his network.
Trump was mean to a Reporter!
Trump moved around documents.
Seriously? There is such a thing as rose-colored glasses. There is also a thing called delusional.
"The biggest threat to this country is the radical right."
https://www.cfr.org/blog/violent-far-ri … nservatism
https://www.cfr.org/blog/violent-far-ri … s-military
https://www.politico.com/news/magazine/ … e-00093028
https://www.congress.gov/116/bills/s894 … s894is.xml
https://cco.ndu.edu/PRISM/PRISM-Volume- … issues-fo/
https://www.icct.nl/publication/context … iolence-us
https://www.brookings.edu/articles/asse … urrection/
The list of articles is endless. Is the gullibility of some on this site also endless?"Is the gullibility of some on this site also endless?"
Yes, apparently! Have a nice weekend Kathleen.Articles are as endless as lawsuits. How do you not know that articles and lawsuits do not determine guilt?
Are you not an American? Are you not familiar with the law regarding presumption of innocence?
Do you not understand how propaganda works?
Wow! I guess not. If you’re ever inclined (which I doubt you would ever be) Peter Hitchens wrote a very good book about the subject of propaganda entitled, The Rage Against.,,.I've read it.
Do you understand how misinformation works?
There is presumption of innocence and then there is blind loyalty.
I am an American who has lived in foreign countries for seven years of my adult life in service to my country. Have you?"I am an American who has lived in foreign countries for seven years of my adult life in service to my country. Have you?"
In what capacity?I am still waiting to find out what part of the government she worked in.
What is this? The Third Degree? Would you like me to post my resume? Post yours first.
Sharlee: Civil Service employee and military contractor (security clearance required)
Savy:
Here is an article I wrote on how propaganda works. It is the most read article that I have written while on HP (23,000 views). Be sure to read the last link. it is by Frank Luntz who is the propagandist for the GOP on "Say this not that"when talking about the Occupy Wall Street Movement.
https://soapboxie.com/world-politics/Th … Propaganda
America, they America! One of the most free people on earth! That meaness of Trump, to a reporter, is it not the 'fake news' syndrome?
Miebakagh57: I am very impressed with you learning English, but unless you live in this country, you really don't have a clue as to what is going on here.
You seem to support Trump, but he is a criminal being indicted for insurrection at the US Capitol, because he will not allow himself to accept that he lost a presidential election. He did not allow the peaceful transfer of power to Biden and to this day he still believes he won the election.
He put this country at national risk by the mishandling of highly classified top secret documents that he had no right to keep. He then showed these documents to people who had no clearances. The documents have information about how we defend our country against our enemies.
Trump himself and his supporters are ignoring that he is under federal investigation for both of those criminal acts and may likely go to jail. But he and his supporters continue his campaign for president, like nothing ever happened.
So your comments are nothing more than your opinion, and you are entitled to express them. But I suggest you find out what is really going on this country from other sources.Given your thorough indoctrination, you are in no place to criticize any foreigner about their knowledge, particularly since you know nothing about the power and propaganda of the leftist media, and how pervasive and reckless they are.
Savy:
Given your thorough indoctrination, you are in no place to criticize me about my knowledge, particularly since you know nothing about the power and propaganda of the rightest media, and how pervasive and reckless they are.
You see how that works, just change a few words, and it applies to you as well. Who are you, to think you can tell me what I have the right to do or not do?
Thank you, you just made my point about policing others. The last time I looked we still had a first amendment.
Are you even going to read my article on propaganda?Well, People, One must give you credit for thinking about a response for hours, even though you were unable to find something original to say.
While Mie… 57, is known to go wherever the wind blows, it remains that it is inappropriate for you, or anyone, to assume that foreigners have no knowledge of current events in the United States.
Often they do; some more than others.
Apparently, you missed my point, which was, do not disparage foreigners. It’s so not “inclusive” of you.Savy; You got that wrong. It came to me immediately. Here is what I told myself. I can say the same thing about you and the GOP. See that is how hypocrisy works.
It's not foreigners. He is one person who doesn't live here on a day-to- day basis and can't possibly understand the day-to-day machinations we go through. For example, the Freedom Caucus is trying to remove MTG's membership because she is too radical for them.
A Washington, D.C.-based bar discipline committee concluded Friday that Rudy Giuliani should be disbarred for “frivolous” and “destructive” efforts to derail the 2020 presidential election in support of former President Donald Trump.
These are both big events that impact our political landscape, but I'm sure they mean nothing to Mie...57
Are you going to read my article on propaganda? Here is the link again for your dining and dancing pleasure.
https://soapboxie.com/world-politics/Th … PropagandaPosting links to your articles PP? I thought that was against HP Rules?
Either way, you need to start another discussion if you wish to promote your articles, not on a discussion which I've initiated.
Savvydating, thank you. Actually, I was not oblige to comment on American Affairs, though I understand America's history from my primary school days to university level. Addionally, I took it upon me to browse the offline Time and NewsWeek magazines, before the internet foundation in Nigeria. So I learnt many things from Watergates to the rescure of the 53. American hostages in Iran, by Canada, weeks before Jimmy Carter left office, and Ronald Reagan step in. But a guy on hubpages moves me to put in my thoughs and ideas for America. I pass the test when one of you give a civic test, as to the specific date America became a Nation. And the guy commended only me who par the test well. Apparently, the world is now a global village, and everyone interested can know what's happening at my backyard, and younder. Seriously, not all foreigners here are idiots. We seek to be enlighten wisely. Thanks.
Keep posting, Miebak…57. We get the gist of your observations and we like reading them. One thing is for sure, people in other countries often know more about our news than we do theirs.
As long as am here with hubpages, and interested io any forum thread or article, I'll chime in. Much thanks.
"One thing is for sure, people in other countries often know more about our news than we do theirs."
What brings that point to mind is the Sky News Australia channel on YouTube. Those Aussies on that channel know more about what is going on over here in the United States than we Americans know about what is going on over there.
" but unless you live in this country, you really don't have a clue as to what is going on here. "
And it appears neither do you.
Wait a minute --- what it appears is you are telling a man that lives in another country he does not know what is going on here. So, I need to bring this up in your first paragraph, you have shared misleading untrue information--- Come on --- Unless I missed something this is all kind of not true.
"You seem to support Trump, but he is a criminal being indicted for insurrection at the US Capitol because he will not allow himself to accept that he lost a presidential election. He did not allow the peaceful transfer of power to Biden and to this day he still believes he won the election." This paragraph was copied and pasted
No, he has not been indicted on any crimes in regard to Jan 6th. That is wishful thinking, but untrue.
THIS IS NOT FACTUAL EITHER
"He put this country at national risk by the mishandling of highly classified top secret documents that he had no right to keep. He then showed these documents to people who had no clearances. The documents have information about how we defend our country against our enemies."
He has not had the benefit of a trial as of yet, and in America, I think it rings true innocent until found guilty. I find it inappropriate to condemn a man before he is found guilty. This is an American value, to some.
Trump has the right by law to campaign for president - period
I would assume Miebakagh57 has access to the internet, he has many articles posted right here on Hubpages, covering many diverse subjects. I also assume he has access to everything I have access to via the Internet, and he has been conversing here quite well for some time without any need for being tutored.
And get your facts straight.Miebakagh57 said Fox News is the same as CNN. It is not, It is not the same format or the same agenda Fox News is right wing. CNN is left wing. Fox news gives Trump a free reign, CNN does not.
He doesn't live here. I can tell from his comments, he really does not know what is going on in this country. So according to you and others, I don't have the right to tell him that because Trump has not had a trial yet. I bet you dollars to doughnuts, the rest of the free world has observed what Trump has done on Jan. 6 and with the classified documents.
My facts are straight. Do you deny anything that I said? You key words are "I would assume." In other words you don't know, but you are presenting it as fact. Do you deny that Trump tried to block the peaceful transfer of power to Biden? We don't need a trial, it has been documented in so many ways.
Do you deny that he mishandled Top secret documents that put this country at national risk. We don't need a trial, it has been well documented. He is guilty of both of those actions. The trial is not going to prove he is innocent, but you and all the other Trumpets hope it does.
You said the same thing about Tucker Carlson and look where he ended up. Oh that's right, he didn't have a trial because Rupert Murdoch settled out of court to protect his empire.
Let's see what happens with Smartmatic. Trump and company claims their machines were also rigged. Trump must be innocent there as well because there is not a trail yet."Miebakagh57 said Fox News is the same as CNN. It is not, It is not the same format or the same agenda Fox News is right wing. CNN is left wing. Fox news gives Trump a free reign, CNN does not."
He has a right to his view.
" So according to you and others, I don't have the right to tell him that because Trump has not had a trial yet. I bet you dollars to doughnuts, the rest of the free world has observed what Trump has done on Jan. 6 and with the classified documents."
You have the right to say anything you please. I have the right to point out factually that a couple of things you stated in your comment were not factual. At some point they may become factual they are not at this
time.
" Do you deny that Trump tried to block the peaceful transfer of power to Biden? We don't need a trial, it has been documented in so many ways."
Thus far I have heard allegations and unproven leaks. I have seen no official charges. So, I am not accusing Trump of blocking the peaceful transfer of power.
"Do you deny that he mishandled Top secret documents that put this country at national risk. "
I will wait until we hear his side and witnesses. Again we have heard leaks and allegations. I have no idea what the trial will prove. I don't like the idea of hanging a man perhaps by mistake --- sort of KKclanish.
I remind you again (you seem to forget ) I don't follow Tucker at all.
Smartmarics must prove their case in court. I have no idea if they will win or lose. Do you?Sharlee: Talk about hanging, they wanted to hang Mike Pence. You call it waiting, I call it denial. So if Trump delays, the trials which he is very good at, and they never take place, then you believe he is innocent of all charges?
Even though there was a fake slate of electors and there are tape recordings of Trump asking for just find 11,801 more votes and showing people with no clearance top secret documents that are detrimental to our nations security?
You did follow Tucker when he asked for the Jan. 6 tapes and determined it was just a peaceful gathering of people you agreed with him. You always told me he is an in your face kind of person.
As far as a KKclanish goes. The GOP congressional investigation assumed Hillary Clinton was guilty about Benghazi and after two years of grueling questioning, by the GOP committee, a judge finally came to the conclusion there was no case. It cost the tax payers 70 million to assume she was guilty before being proven innocent. That's not KKK,. That's Gestapo tactics.
Smartmatic will prove their case in court, because they will use Dominion as the precedent."Talk about hanging, they wanted to hang Mike Pence. "
So what does what other states at a protest have to do with you claiming Trump has been charged with crimes of insurrection?
The facts are Trump requested a speedy trial, it was Jack Smith that has requested a delay. That is a fact.
", then you believe he is innocent of all charges?"
.
The fact is I have not made any that Trump is innocent or guilty --- I have been steadfast at repeating I believe in innocent until proven guilty. I don't join in on mob mentality, nor am I swayed by media blurbs from unproven leaks and allegations. In fact, I pride myself on being fair, and open-minded.
"Even though there was a fake slate of electors and there are tape recordings of Trump asking for just find 11,801 more votes and showing people with no clearance top secret documents that are detrimental to our nations security?"
We have heard a snippet from a tape, and the proof will be when the witnesses from that meeting will be on the stand in a courtroom under oath --- where they can share what they saw, what those rumbling of peppers we heard were... We will hear from firsthand witnesses what was said, and what they may have been shown.
If something was being discussed here, and I felt I needed to check out info on Tucker, I did by pulling up youtube, and any media on a given subject. And I do feel he is an in-your-face show host. I think most that perhaps follow him would agree.
In my view, Hillary Clinton was guilty in regard to Benghazi. I feel she is the most vile politician that we have on the political stage. That is my view, and I have had that view for many decades.
In regards to the KKK "KKclaish, I feel we have many Americans that fall into that category --- Hang'em first look for guilt later. The country is full of this type of screaming glassy-eyed, drooling mush brains. (I point out no figures, this is my view).
Propaganda --- information, especially of a biased or misleading nature, used to promote or publicize a particular political cause or point of view.
Please read your posts on this thread, some of your information is not factual, and it is misleading to those that seek biased misleading information. They take it and run with it.Sharlee, please point out to me what is not factual. I find it interesting that you accuse Biden and his son of all kind of crimes without the benefit of a trial. I think your definition of propaganda, fits you perfectly when it comes to accusing Biden and his family. Where is that trial? Why don't you wait for the trial before you accuse him?
Even though a judge dismissed Hillary's case, you are not willing to accept she is innocent of all the Benghazi accusations.
Trump is right when he said this: "I could stand in the middle of Fifth Avenue and shoot somebody, and I wouldn't lose any voters, OK?" Trump remarked at a campaign stop at Dordt College in Sioux Center, Iowa. "It's, like, incredible."
He knows he has brain washed his followers. As I said before, he is a child in a man's body who is a master con artist who sufferers from extreme narcissism. I almost forgot to say, in my view...so reader's don't quote me on this, it is non-factual.-- Let me remind you Biden has not been charged with a crime. And I have not accused him. I think when you accuse me of anything you need to post a quote. As I do with you when I am accusatory.
It's clear you don't like to see threads of current accusations in regard to Biden and HIS FAMILY. However, I feel it is newsworthy to post such threads. I have never accused Biden of a crime, only posted
news reports.
Here are the mistruths I pointed out here on this thread- Which in my view are the very definition of propaganda.
Propaganda --- information, especially of a biased or misleading nature, used to promote or publicize a particular political cause or point of view.
PP claimed --"You seem to support Trump, but he is a criminal being indicted for insurrection at the US Capitol because he will not allow himself to accept that he lost a presidential election. He did not allow the peaceful transfer of power to Biden and to this day he still believes he won the election." This paragraph was copied and pasted
No, he has not been indicted on any crimes in regard to Jan 6th. That is wishful thinking, but untrue.
THIS IS NOT FACTUAL EITHER
PP claimed -- "He put this country at national risk by the mishandling of highly classified top secret documents that he had no right to keep. He then showed these documents to people who had no clearances. The documents have information about how we defend our country against our enemies."
He has not had the benefit of a trial as of yet, and in America, I think it rings true innocent until found guilty. I find it inappropriate to condemn a man before he is found guilty. This is an American value, to some.
You also claimed Trump asked to delay his trial --- That is not true, as I pointed out that was Jack Smith's request.
Source https://www.independent.co.uk/news/worl … 63383.html
In my view, you're not as careful as you should be when making accusations. You can share your view, but your context should indicate it's your view.
Benghazi was such a tragic situation, a lie about a video was spread, in order to cover it up. Do you know why?
You are right, a lot of money was spent, in an attempt, to get to the bottom of it.
Take that amount of money, times 12 {or in that neighborhood} to get an understanding of the amount of money spent in order to STOP Trump!
Much of it, before he even became President!!
That's the real story!
January 6th was a mixed bag of Patriots, pis-ed-off citizens, troublemakers, antagonists and tourists....
Much too much has been made of it.ab; I think there hasn't been enough made of it. Only accountability that has been done is many of Trump supporters who were there on his behalf have gone to jail, while Trump gets away clean. He has to be held accountable for not only Jan. 6, but for mishandling of the documents as well. Oh, this is only my opinion.
Not enough coverage? CNN posted 6000 to 8000 heavily biased posts about Jan 6th, and one meager post admitting the laptop from hell was Hunter Biden’s after all.
That is propaganda. If you knew half the information on that laptop, you would feel differently about the Biden’s. As it stands, CNN and every other site you visit has shielded you from the truth.
Trump did not implement a coup. He told the crowd to protest peacefully and patriotically. CNN left out those words in the footage.
It is no wonder you have been brainwashed. Honestly, I have yet to hear you draw one solid truthful conclusion based upon pure facts. Instead, you parrot CNN. CNN takes news and twists it into something unrecognizable.
That’s bad reporting. It’s exceptionally bad, yet you hang on to their every word. The more biased the accusations, the better for the blood thirst audience.
That’s truly sad.
Republicans don’t think that way. We don’t feel gleeful when we hear the truth about the corruption in D.C.Savy; Oh God! How many times am I go to tell you, CNN is not my only news source. There is no way I can prove it to you. You say you don't have cable news. Then how do you know so much about CNN? Where do you get your information from about CNN?
Oh, I also have BBC on my web browser and the Christian Science Monitor which both come up automatically. Then I have a tab set for Bing MSN which curates news from all over the world, including Al Jazeera. And then...wait for it....I do my own research and analysis as well.
"Trump did not implement a coup. He told the crowd to protest peacefully and patriotically. CNN left out those words in the footage."
Jan. 6 was on every channel, except.Fox. I switched to Fox to see if they were covering it and they were not. Trump also said this: ""We fight like hell. And if you don't fight like hell, you're not going to have a country anymore." So you see it depends on which side of the fence you are on as to how you filter your news.
If there was no Trump there would be no Jan.6 and no mishandling of classified documents. This is all about a man who cannot accept losing. It is a sick obsession of his.
I also watched the entire congressional investigation about Jan.6. It was very revealing about Trump and company. I'm pretty sure you and other Trumpets would not allow yourself to watch it.
Here is the last part of Trump's speech in transcript form.
I think one of our great achievements will be election security. Because nobody until I came along had any idea how corrupt our elections were.
And again, most people would stand there at 9 o'clock in the evening and say I want to thank you very much, and they go off to some other life. But I said something's wrong here, something is really wrong, can have happened.
And we fight. We fight like hell. And if you don't fight like hell, you're not going to have a country anymore.
Our exciting adventures and boldest endeavors have not yet begun. My fellow Americans, for our movement, for our children, and for our beloved country.
And I say this despite all that's happened. The best is yet to come.
So we're going to, we're going to walk down Pennsylvania Avenue. I love Pennsylvania Avenue. And we're going to the Capitol, and we're going to try and give.
The Democrats are hopeless — they never vote for anything. Not even one vote. But we're going to try and give our Republicans, the weak ones because the strong ones don't need any of our help. We're going to try and give them the kind of pride and boldness that they need to take back our country.
So let's walk down Pennsylvania Avenue.
I want to thank you all. God bless you and God Bless America.
Thank you all for being here. This is incredible. Thank you very much. ThankAnother mistruth!
They covered it from the moment it started live, they covered Trump's full speech live where as CNN and MSN did not fully cover Trump's speech.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tVPSYr-xG6s
All three networks covered the protest live from the moment they reached the Capitol. I watched it on fox from the moment it startted, as well as Trump's speech.https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=i4jjsxhq704
These Brits have more patriotism and heart than the Left.Oh, thanks for making me cry... I feel every word of that song in my heart. I was so pleased to see this young couple also touched by the words.
This thread has become pretty vile. I mean defaming a dead woman. Tommy guns, personal jabs. My oh my.What a beautiful and moving moment. Yes they do! Thanks for sharing this Savvy.
Hi AB, I had my son listen to it. He loved it and put it on his playlist. The Left hates it. No surprise there… for all their crocodile tears of allegiance to the “ hallowed halls” of Congress.
What a bunch of hypocrites.
I’m glad you had some time to listen to the song. Did you know that when Home Free, the accapella band sings this song, everyone in the crowd stands up in honor of the flag.
The Left remains seated, of course, what few bother to attend.
Goodness me...here for the first time on hubpages I'm hearing Americans pray: 'God bless America'. Seriously, I borrowed the prayer phrase from American Navy Seal war films, which I've been enchoing in the forums. PP73 was a soja. God bless America!
Mike, I miskakely responded to this your post by repling to Kathleen. Have you see and read it? Savvydating rejoined the issue too. Have you see my reply to her post? Thank you.
Miebakagh57: It is always interesting to hear an opinion from someone who doesn't live in the US. Peoplepower73 is right, though, to caution you about your sources of information. Please make sure HubPages is not your only one. No one here has the credentials to be a reliable source - including me. I highly recommend online The Washington Post (liberal-leaning) and the Wall Street Journal (conservative-leaning). Avoid FOX News entirely. They are documented liars.
Mike, have you read in this forum, and elsewhere where I wrote let Trump be tried, and if he be jailed, let it be? Have you? So it's just fun to hear you load and clear. Let Trump be tried and sent to jail, if Americans wants that.
Have you read what I said to pp73 some minutes ago? Go and read that an more. FoxNews is the same as CNN. I prefer the BBC.
Trump was under scrutiny and was set up, long before he became President. There's a reason the D.C. swamp will move heaven and earth to stop this man! You'd think a citizen of this country would have figured that out by now, as non-citizens did long ago!
Kathleen, That’s okay. I get it. You never read the book. Otherwise, you would have had quite a lot to say.
In the future, just don’t say you read something you didn’t read. It’s easier that way.Savvy: I have better things to do with my time than spar with you. I hope you do too.
In my opinion, not enough attention has been given to why a Trump supporter had to die that day and...in general...why a bunch of nonsense, trumps death and destruction.
Here is the official DOJ report on why Ashli Babbitt was shot. Please read the last paragraph.
https://www.justice.gov/usao-dc/pr/depa … li-babbittYou want to know something, AB, you folks never cease to amaze me, it is always "Missy Ann" can do no wrong...
A rabid mob was breaking into the Capital building, you as a guard are charged with the protection of congressmen and women in the building. The mob. Certainly was not there for a guided tour, and oddly enough, it so happened that all the VIP representatives were in session to count electoral votes. You, as a security officer, do not have the option of running away from the threat. As the assualt was violent, you would have no idea of the ultimate intent of this mob. Were they there to harm others?
I congratulate the guards on their tremendous restraint. I would have shot a lot more if it were me. I have to ask what were you doing there assualting the building and attacking security personnel?
I would recommend that these guards be armed with tommy guns in the future, instead of just pistols. Just a few more casualties might have put the mob on notice that such an assualt was not a good idea.
So, it is not about Trump supporters, but it is about breaking the rules.Tommy guns? Really. How much hate do you have in your heart?
What an incredibly sad way to live.
Did you know that the QAnon Shaman was escorted into the area by the Capitol police? Did you know he thanked the Capitol police and said a prayer to God Almighty? Did you know he committed no violent act? Did you know he rots in jail for no reason?
How disgusting that any American would find joy in the wrongful jailing of another.
Furthermore, Is Missy Ann a racial slur? I hope not.Missy Ann is not a racial slur, so don't go looking for trouble as it not going to work, OK?
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You got a keyboard and can google, right?
"Miss Ann is an expression used inside the African-American community to refer to a European-American woman (or sometimes a black woman) who is arrogant and condescending in her attitude."
And this Ashli woman was arrogant in assuming that she or anyone else amongst her rabble associates can assail the Capital building without there being consequences.....
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This "crowd" that you support plied the wall of the senate building with human excrement, what a crowd, huh? Is that what real Republicans do? A bit below the belt, no pun intended.
I have no hate, law enforcement is just that, an automatic weapon is a better deterrent which allows people to think twice before mobbing. I am not going to accept a ragtag mob attacking my government and its processes simply because they did not like the outcome from the electorate. So, when ever the point needed to be made that one operates within the laws, we will, or I will make that point.
So, I suppose that the FBI was playing musical chairs in arresting hundreds of people associated with the attack that day?Unless that ragtag mob is Antifa.
I googled “Missy Ann. That is why I asked you, specifically, since you are the one who used the term.
I gave you the benefit of the doubt, despite your comment.
Don’t be paranoid. I am not out to get you or try to cancel you. As I’ve said before, I welcome free speech. I do not appreciate hate speech that may be violent in nature or which is based upon propaganda.
That is my right as a freedom loving American who stands up for truth and liberty.
I would rather that all Americans realize that using race as a bait is wrong. We are all born in the skin we are born in. We did not make that choice. Furthermore, we are all equal.
It is unfortunate that the Left, who claims they espouse tolerance, are always quick to denigrate individuals based upon their political persuasion and the color of their skin.
That’s so unAmerican."Unless that ragtag mob is antifa"
I make no exception, if anyone including antifa assailed the Capital building in the fashion of J6, I would propose the same remedy. It does not matter who breaks law. It has been broken...
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"I gave you the benefit of the doubt, despite your comment."
"Don’t be paranoid. I am not out to get you or try to cancel you. As I’ve said before, I welcome free speech. I do not appreciate hate speech that may be violent in nature or which is based upon propaganda."
Thank you, while we are on diametrically opposed positions, I somehow had confidence that you would be reasonable, and you did not disappoint.
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"That is my right as a freedom loving American who stands up for truth and liberty."
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"I would rather that all Americans realize that using race as a bait is wrong. We are all born in the skin we are born in. We did not make that choice. Furthermore, we are all equal."
It is a little more complicated than that, but OK, that is a philosophical discussion for another time and thread... I will take on all comers in regards to it.
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It is unfortunate that the Left, who has supposedly espoused tolerance, are the first to denigrate people based upon their political persuasion and the color of their skin.
That’s so unAmerican.
I don't agree with that, not at all. But it is a free country as you say, so whatever flies your kite....Please, prepare and post the thread on philosophical discussion, that were all born equal. I'm interest. Thanks.
What is this "antifa" you speak of? Who is the head of it? Who is in charge? I'm wondering where their central location is?
Did you know that the QAnon Shaman was escorted into the area by the Capitol police?
Not true.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jbxng-nIMu0
Did you know he rots in jail for no reason?
Wasnt he released early, four months ago?
"I would recommend that these guards be armed with tommy guns in the future, instead of just pistols. Just a few more casualties might have put the mob on notice that such an assualt was not a good idea."
Really, this would be your way of handling a crowd of American citizens. Sort of like at Kent State when the guard let loose at protesters protesting the war in Vietnam. OR better yet how about Tiananmen Square?
We have a huge number in this Country that are very disillusioned with our Government, they are Americans and that should concern
you.
The hypocrisy from your side is palpable. My God Tommy guns -- this takes the cake.If you're disillusioned with the country or the government please don't act in an unlawful manner. It's your right to protest but in a peaceful and lawful manner. You cannot storm the capitol and deface it. It's really just as simple as that. Our law enforcement officers should not even have to deal with this kind of nonsense. Come on already let's have some respect.
There are many Americans that would not agree with your sentiment, and protesting the people's house is where complaints against the Government take place. There should not have been violence on that day --- but there was, and that should put us all on notice to realize this country is split.
"There are many Americans that would not agree with your sentiment,"
Really?, because my sentiment was to protest peacefully without violence and confronting our law enforcement officers. Protest all you want but violence against our police officers and defacing our capitol is really not lawful. I really don't care if the country is "split" or not. Everyone has the obligation and the duty to respect our law enforcement. As someone who has many family members in law enforcement I'm just appalled. No one's views take precedence over law and those who risk their own lives to uphold it. For God's sake you don't beat police officers with flagpoles, crush them in a door and spray them with bear spray because you think you're on the righteous team. This is sickening and needs to stop already. It's very disheartening that so many have absolutely no care for what happened to those officers that day. I think if it was one of your own you'd feel differently.I was referring to this part of your sentiment --- " You cannot storm the capitol and deface it. It's really just as simple as that. "
My response --- and protesting the people's house is where complaints against the Government take place. There should not have been violence on that day --- but there was, and that should put us all on notice to realize this country is split.
Let me repeat --- As I said there should not have been any violence, that is my view. You are preaching... more or less repeating your first comment. Which I had no problem with or I would have had a retort.Was she really a threat? She had her top half through a window, her hands were visible as she attempted to get through. Could this officer have chosen to subdue her? He was a large man, and one could see she was a small woman. Was she really a threat to him physically? I could see if he spotted a weapon, but she was unarmed. He had a good advantage to just grab her by her top half. Hopefully, officers use good sense about defending themselves, I mean if they don't, we know very well they are made villains of in some cases for literally protecting themselves.
I have shared my view on Ashley's death, I think the officer panicked and just shot her. No one, I mean no one could convince me of anything else after watching the video over and over. My eyes and ears don't lie to me.
This is just one video that I feel convinced she was shot unnecessarily.
I was in Mexico at the time, and this was one of the videos uncut, and just plain up what went down. One will note on the officer's side of the door there was one other officer down the hall, and what appeared to be a man in suit on his cell phone. Like I said I think he was no doubt scared and panicked and just shot her. Not sure why he did not see there were many officers on her side of the door trying to verbally stop the crowd.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mgnh5jvmuZw
Geez, Sharlee, I thought that you were better than this. People being free to assualt the Capitol building, loot, defile and attack law enforcement officers and it is all OK because a bunch of rightwinger oriented clowns take issue with the democratic process? Come on, now....
I in no respect made the claim that people should be free to assault the Capital,What I did say is there should have been no violence.
My quote -- and I repeated it.
" My response --- and protesting the people's house is where complaints against the Government take place. There should not have been violence on that day --- but there was, and that should put us all on notice to realize this country is split."
You come on -- your comment is odd at best. In light of what I actually said. I have a true lack of respect for direct baiting.
I need to add the permalink to this conversation as the source to my true comment.
https://hubpages.com/politics/forum/356 … ost4299560I don't get it, why should there not be violence? As a guard, Why would I presume that this mob did not have violent intent in attacking and invading a solemn space, from the beginning? They should have kept their protests outside and peaceful and avoided the "breaking in" part.
I will allow no mob to upend the democratic process that we all agree to adhere to.
I don't want to be the ogre here, Sharlee
I criticize conservatives as never being able to make the fine discernment required in circumstances that clearly differ as in the case of Kent State vs J6
You can't see the Difference?
There is a huge number of people dissatisfied, but there are a larger group of people that are satisfied, so who gave the malcontents the right to change the rules?
I don't care if you are disillusioned, they have no right to conduct an insurrection merely because they not satisfied. I don't get to just change things around if I don't like it, so why should they?There is a time honored process of making change, so just who do these people think they are? The threats identified during Kent State and that of J6 were considerably different.
These J6 people were thugs, Sharlee, loathsome, filthy thugs. No one had any idea as to what their plan and agenda were after they broke in. If their threats against the Pence and Congress were real and I had no reason to believe that they weren't, I need every tool in the tool box to stop them, up
to and including automatic weapons. If I had have gotten off a few rounds, maybe they would have retreated.
Here, I am doing a little discernment in your stead...
From an enclopedic article
"Guardsmen's reasons for opening fire
Many guardsmen later testified that they fired because they feared for their lives, which was questioned partly because of the distance between them and the students killed or wounded.[44] Guardsmen that claimed they feared for their lives variously listed an assortment of reasons, including: that they were surrounded, that the crowd pursuing them was almost on top of them, that the protesters "charged" them or were advancing on them "in a threatening manner", that "the sky was black with stones", and that a sniper fired at them; some listed a combination of multiple such reasons, and some gave no explanation as to why they believed their lives were in danger. Most guardsmen that fired said they did so because they heard others fire or assumed an order to fire in the air had been given and did not claim they felt in danger. There was no order to fire, and no guardsmen requested permission, though several guardsmen later claimed they heard some sort of command to fire. Some guardsmen (including some who claimed their lives were in danger) had their backs turned to the protesters when the firing broke out. No guardsman claimed to have been hit by rocks immediately before firing, and the guardsmen were not surrounded. The FBI determined that at least two guardsmen who denied firing likely lied and had fired and that there was reason to believe that guardsmen's claims of fearing for their lives were fabricated after the event.[28]
The adjutant general of the Ohio National Guard told reporters that a sniper had fired on the guardsmen.[44] Eleven of the 76 guardsmen at Taylor Hall claimed they were under sniper fire or some other sort of gunfire just before guardsmen began shooting. A subsequent FBI investigation concluded that the Guard was not under fire and that the guardsmen fired the first shots.[28]
Time magazine later concluded that "triggers were not pulled accidentally at Kent State". The President's Commission on Campus Unrest avoided probing why the shootings happened. Instead, it harshly criticized both the protesters and the Guardsmen, but it concluded that "the indiscriminate firing of rifles into a crowd of students and the deaths that followed were unnecessary, unwarranted, and inexcusable."[44]"" The threats identified during Kent State and that of J6 were considerably different."
Both were protesting something they strongly disagreed with. They were pointing out what they felt was a Government act that they could not agree with.
Whether their causes were just or not, they came out in numbers and protested. Actually, the officer that was on duty handled Jan 6 in the most appropriate way they could. They were not willing to open fire on other Americans. The officers as well as some protesters were armed... We had one person shot, a protester. No officers were shot or fired on.
You call these people "filthy thugs" --- It was not them that choose to open fire. That is just a fact.You seem to assume that they had the right to do what they were doing at the Capitol. Like they had the right to storm in there, tear offices apart, shit in the building, break windows, bear spray police, beat police officers with flagpoles, crush one of them in a door, was this really their right? Was this what they were allowed to do? All In The name of protest? Because they don't like the government? I can't understand this logic and where this country is even going when we can allow people to do this sort of thing. And then act like our police officers were in the wrong somehow. Shame. I'm hoping you don't need a police officer to act in your defense someday and he second guesses what he's doing
Jan. 6th was not an insurrection. That term was used as a tool to spread propaganda, and inflame the Left. It worked, but it remains a lie.
We can debate the word insurrection, all the same, that attack was in unwarranted and even though congressmen got out, there was always the possibility that they might not have.
They are still hooligans that had no business doing what they did. I don't believe in coincidences that it was the same day Trump and the Republican black shirts were busy trying to upend the standard electoral vote processes, so that they could subvert Biden's victory.
So, no, I don't trust the Right as far as I could throw you, but you know that already...,
I completely agree Sharlee!
My God, some of the comments...
Is this for the benefit of conservatives, to get a reaction or is this really how they (the left) think, at all times?!I just feel very sorry for the law enforcement that day. Honestly I can't get the image of that officer being crushed in the door by the riders. Blood coming out of his nose . So painfully sickening. I could only imagine that as my own son. How could human beings do this to others?
You're back!
A bloody nose v. very dead!?!
Ashli Babbitt was a human being too and now she is dead!
If that day was a fraction of what the left have continually described it as, it would have been a bloodbath!!
Did you know that several Police Officers lost their jobs for their over-the-top tactics that day?
Did you know that many Trump supporters were protecting Police Officers from Rioters!?!
Did you know that a crowd of Trump supporters were attempting to drown out and shut down an overzealous individual (whom, it turns out, was an undercover agent)as he attempted to work the crowd into a frenzy?
There was a mixed bag that day of Patriots, (including Walkaway members-former Dems) who felt as if the election had been stolen, Antifa was there, BLM was there, the FBI was there {*undercover ??}(*there's a lot of unanswered questions regarding this category). Instigators and antagonists, troublemakers and criminals, were there. Upset citizens were there, curious citizens were there, Tourists were there......
The fact that ONLY Ashli Babbitt was killed (which is one too many) tells me....that Trump supporters were not out for blood!
Did you know that, nevertheless, many of them were imprisoned for a year, (released when the Jan..6 Commission Hearings began?!?) without being charged with a crime? Without being given Due Process? Without their day in Court?
Many were eventually given harsh sentences, even though there was no evidence of any crime committed.
Not all broke in, many went through a wide open door, you knew that, right? Everyone here knows that, right?
Considering all that was going on that day, cooler heads prevailed and that's a very good thing!!
When contributors to this discussion start bad-mouthing the woman who was shot and killed, referring to her as Missy Ann, suggesting that her arrogance got her killed and that she deserved it!!!
When one person to the next, to the next...there that day, whether they were protecting Police Officers, desperately trying to talk down the unruly; whether they were there strictly to set up and frame Trump supporters or whether they were there to do some real damage...
Are we really ready to accept that tommy guns should have been used to plow them all down?!? Ask questions later? Sort it all out later?
God help us!!!
It is time to put this to rest.Ain't nothing personal AB.
While, I certainly did not like the composition of the crowd, bigoted advocates and such, lethal force was authorized only to protect the men and women of the Congress in session that day. And as a guard, I had no reason to believe that their lives were not in danger.
The arrogance of Ashli and many others in breaking in a presenting an unmeasurable threat is what prompted the shooting. Ashli was shot amidst a crowd plowing through the doorway, was she not? I don't believe that she was specifically targeted. But, faced with a raging mob, with anything but benign intentions, I would shoot as well.
All this talk about FBI, Antifa involvement and such is just more inane conspiracy theory claptrap without any proof to substantiate any of it.
Funny how White privilege works, after George Floyd, Brionna Taylor, and any number of extralegal shootings of Black citizens going back to Trayvon Martin, you turn a blind eye, but I am supposed to feel sorry for some white lady who was directly engaged in criminal conduct, and puts her own life at risk by being a party to it? Also, the Right likes to reduce this whole affair to just a few people "letting off steam", well, I don't buy it.
May God indeed help us." bigoted advocates" Did the media or actually anyone here bring up the fact only one person was shot on that day... A white woman by a black officer? Maybe you should think about that. All about the mindset.
All the people that mobbed the Capitol were overwhelmingly white. So chances are pretty good that some white body would intersect with a bullet? I would have been forced to shoot or risk injury to myself or by allowing this unruly mob to attack congressmen. I do think about it, the black officer was doing his job and was exonerated of all blame associated with his actions and responses, that is good enough for me.
It is not about a race thing, but a doing your job thing. I read your retort and still don't understand how the possibility of violence is excluded based on the mob and the activity that day. So, whether it was antifa or the black panthers, anyone who stormed the Capitol under the circumstances of January 6th risked a lethal response from security officers and would deserve it.
Running away from contrary opinion and ideas has been beneath you in all the time we have been debating topics. Yes, we are going to disagree as I come from far differing circumstances than you do.
But this is a debating forum, not romper room, and I have never been afraid....
They were not attacking Congressman. That’s more propaganda. I saw the footage of Congressmen and women leaving the building, quite calmly.
It is time to put this to rest, it is so disrespectful to this woman, who certainly was a human being and a Vet.
Why are we even talking about this when so much is going on in this country?That's why Sharlee, so much is going on! Yellen bowing all over the place in China. Biden, more dazed and confused by the day....gotta keep it ALL about Trump, 24-7.
I have pretty much given up on the forum. I am going to be very selective about who I respond to. I mean in a way, I am very much adding to the problem with beating the same dead horse.
This gives me few to converse with. But I do enjoy those few.
Ashli, RIP. I'm following the discussion from various sources... What happened at the Capitol on J6 was beyond imagination. I was not there. How many of the discussants were there? I've said it before that a certain type of confusion is also being discussed here into the story. Otherwise, how can we take the treatment of the Veteran Ashli, as true reality or the guard who died too of hypertension? and that has been ruled out. All these has bypass my intellect and reasoning. J6 whether it's a coup d'ate, is for the Court to rule. Many of us here are blowing our ass here. May God help us all. Amen.
I agree --- To be honest, what I truely feel happened that day was a protest that got heated, and some became combative, some simply entered the Capitol and roamed its halls. I have little tolerance for violence. However, it seemed to me some became over-passionate, angry, and became combative. As many did as we witnessed on the streets of many cities during " The Summer Of Love" human emotions took over some.
I don't condone it, but I understand this may have occurred.I agreed with you too. But how one protest? leads into confusion is terrible. And Trump, only Trump, gets all the blame!?
Hey, you asked, and in my OPINION -- it's called bait. Some on social media need that great rush to post their long Trump Rants. TDS can offer lots of shocking retorts --- "Tommy guns", "Missy Ann", and most of all "All The Greatest Hits Of Trump Rants".
I can almost smell the plastic blow-up pedestals on a warm day.
First off, the DOJ has been compromised, this is more cover-up and clears up nothing; not for me, not for many -certainly not for her family!
ab: Here is what Ashli Babbitt is about behind the scenes about her wonderful character.
https://www.pbs.org/newshour/nation/ash … olent-pastNo, it does not. And this form of hate grows in the hearts of so many. To stand in judgment over an unarmed woman that was shot by an officer twice her weight and size. When she was shot she had several officers right behind her, in fact when she was shot they immediately jumped in to help her. The Officer who shot was all but alone on the other side of that door, and she was nearly through the window. In my view, the officer panicked and shot her. It was uncalled for.
This kind of thought process really sickens me.This woman was involved in an unlawful riot and trespass on our capitol. I'm not sure what the weight and size of the officer matters there was a door in between them. What would you have our police officers do? Sacrifice their own lives? She was acting unlawfully. We put the trust in our officers training and this one was exonerated by investigation completely. I can't understand the mistrust in our officers?! The woman shouldn't have been where she was. There's no question about that and then she threatened the safety of our police officers when she wouldn't back off. I'm sorry but I'm highly offended by the lack of support for our police officers who put their life on the line daily. I truly cannot understand the disparaging of law enforcement by conservatives in this manner it's really disappointing. I'm sure that these officers knew from reporting earlier in the day that there were some riders who were spotted with weapons. My God if any of my family members were officers there that day I would be so disappointed at the lack of support shown by conservatives and the total disregard for their lives and the sacrifice they give to the job. Can anyone even imagine being in their situation? And how you would react? Yet we can judge them? So disappointed in this country. The morality of some is just missing.
Yup. She was a violent woman, Qanon believer, and a traitor. Sad.
That she's the martyr of the far-right tells it all.No, actually, what is sad, is the fact that she was killed without cause!
Because she was a Trump supporter, and the only one killed that day, you two {PP and Island} seek to justify it.ab: And you and others like you seek to martyr her. I think Credence put her in proper perspective.
"A rabid mob was breaking into the Capital building, you as a guard are charged with the protection of congressmen and women in the building. The mob. Certainly was not there for a guided tour, and oddly enough, it so happened that all the VIP representatives were in session to count electoral votes. You, as a security officer, do not have the option of running away from the threat. As the assualt was violent, you would have no idea of the ultimate intent of this mob. Were they there to harm others?
I congratulate the guards on their tremendous restraint. I would have shot a lot more if it were me. I have to ask what were you doing there assaulting the building and attacking security personnel?"I have never attempted to martyr Ashli. I have pointed out on multiple occasions that she was the only person killed in the Capitol Building on Jan. 6th, because so many lies were {still are} circulating.
She was unarmed, but nevertheless, she became the recipient of the wild shot into the crowd, and she died.She was killed because she chose to put herself in a precarious situation. She chose to invade the capitol. She was breaking the law. It seems common knowledge at this point that if the police feel you are a threat to their safety they are going to shoot you. I don't think she should have put herself in that situation. I understand that conservatives are very much against the police these days but we have to understand that they act in a split second using their training and best decisions. This officer was also investigated and no wrongdoing was found. We really need to support our police.
She was part of a mob assaulting our Capitol and making threats against elected officials. That officer felt his and other's lives were at risk. That is doing something wrong armed or not - and many of the intruders were armed.
Well the officer was fully investigated and found that he acted within the realm of his training. We put this kind of trust and authority, decision-making into our police officers. What more can we ask of our police officers? Their lives are on the line. No wonder we aren't getting many going into the profession anymore. In a life and death split second decision, what would you do? It's easy for us to criticize these officers but they're the ones on the line doing the job.
You forgot about the part where he would use Tommy guns.
Oh gosh, I must have missed the comment by Cred. I will have to go back and find that one. Yikes!
I completely agree with Savvy, Miebakagh.
You call it, as you see it and that's a good (and rare) quality.The "Miss Ann"s on this site drive away open discussion. You can usually spot them by the lengths of their posts. They diminish the conversation.
Really, what I have found is it may just be rudeness that drives away conversation, and I must mention users that do not really follow a given conversation. And call others derogatory names, like "Missy Ann" (not Miss).
Yeah...Are we not splitting hairs, Sharlee?
Well, Ashli's behavior that day deserves a derogatory description.
You always seem to be so selective in your outrageKathleen offered a view, I countered her view. She shared, and I shared. Can't take another view --- Oh well that would be your problem. it certainly is not mine.
I will leave a permalink as a source for the comment. I feel my comment was appropriate. Just sharing my view of the subject Kathleen brought up. As you see I have already gotten an off-subject comment from PP, because it appears he did not follow the subject of OUR conversation.
https://hubpages.com/politics/forum/356 … ost4299596I would like you to watch a video uncut and uncensored, note the shooter's side of the door, one officer, and a man at the far end of the hall mulling around on his cell. Have a look at the other side of that door. The door had two large windows, and one can see the officer did not warn Ashley, he just pointed and shot, you will also note that there were many protesters on Ashley's side of the door as well as officers trying to verbally calm the crowd. Not one seemed to feel threatened enough to shoot anyone! The protesters were right in their faces, They did the right thing they saw no weapons, but were up against an unruly crowd. They did not use violence to stop the violence. These guys did their job. The shooter panicked and shot without cause. he had no one to protect, He could see the officers that were many on the other side of the door. My video does not block out faces it's graphic, it shows clearly what went on --- Ashley was barely
in that window.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mgnh5jvmuZwYes, I saw it and it appeared that the shot was fired by the officer once a particular boundary was breached, regardless of who breached it. She should have seen the guard pointing the gun through the window, why would you have challenged it?
I really couldn't hear if there were any warning given prior or not. If the officer was guilty of using lethal force when it was not necessary, why was he absolved of blame in the incident by higher authority. Unless, you guys believe that the "deep state" and bias in the government administration is to blame.
No one celebrates any loss of life, being that injustice with regards to law enforcement is hardly a new theme in the lives of black folks. But none of those people should have been there in the first place, if they had have stayed where they belong, outside of the Capitol, none of this would have happened.You're wrong. (And the why it's been discussed at length here in the forums.) But no matter how much footage, testimony and investigations, (general) you'll keep making excuses for her and the mob.
I'll leave with this...
U.S. Representative Markwayne Mullin (R-OK), a witness to Babbitt's attempted breach, said that Lieutenant Byrd "didn't have a choice" but to shoot, and that his action "saved people's lives".
i will keep this simple. No Trump, no Jan. 6, no classified document fiasco. No capitol being damaged, nobody being killed, nobody going to jail. no documents being mishandled and a peaceful transfer of power to the next duly elected president of the United States of America...and I use the term United loosley, no Fox news settling out of court with Dominion...and no fake news for the real news.
Oh and I almost forgot,..this is all my opinion, so Mie...57, take what I just said with a grain of salt. There are no facts here, just me babbling.I have no idea what your comment is alluding to. Have you followed the conversation you are jumping into?
Yes I followed the conversation, because I'm part it. I don't know if you recall, but you reprimanded me for telling untruths to Mie...57. Hence this post of mine.
Sorry, I have to remind myself, conservatives are not very good at grasping satire. Just use your imagination for a moment. If Trump did not exist, none of this would of ever happened, including no Ashli Babbitt. It is another way of saying it is all his fault...Sorry I had to explain to you what I'm getting at, even this forum would not exist.I admit I stopped reading many of your posts. I pointed out what I felt were mistruths, that was pretty much the bigger part I offered to the conversation.
I have come to the conclusion it is just wiser to look at your posts as views. Because pointing out mistruths is time-consuming, and let's face it,
some believe those very mistruths. I sure am not going to change any minds, even with facts.
Don't twist my words or attempt to cloudy-up my clear message Cred, I let your words lie.
We are toning this one down or I am taking it down.
Have a great week.Choosing who you reply to on HP is the only healthy way to participate.
Sharlee: Sorry. I'm not up on my racist labels. This one was new to me.
The woman killed was a vet? What happened to her oath to protect and defend the constitution of the United States from all enemies foreign and domestic?
As someone who has been surrounded by the military since age 17, the involvement of vets on Jan. 6 is the most heartbreaking part of the tragedy."Choosing who you reply to on HP is the only healthy way to participate."
If I only conversed with people who agreed with me, then you don't learn anything. It all devolves into just a mutual admiration society.
Regardless, my obsession is to get the message out to everyone and anyone that would hear and listen, not being afraid of having any of my ideas and assertions challenged. I would be disappointed if they weren't, quite frankly." the involvement of vets on Jan. 6 is the most heartbreaking part of the tragedy."
Kathleen, it is the most telling, part!!
Our Government, our system of checks and balances, our tried and true methods...from the military to the D.O.J., from the F.B.I. to the White House...top to bottom, have all been compromised and Americans are fed up; including Veterans!"Choosing who you reply to on HP is the only healthy way to participate."
Yes, I agree full-heartedly.
I think Missy Ann might be the least insult I have received here from left-leaning users.
Here is a video of the shooting, It is truely uncut, so be aware there will be no booking out what happened. It's the actual graphic video that helped me form my view of the shooting. The officer gave no warning, no vocal command, he just shot her. The hallway he was in had one other officer, and a man in a suit at the end of the hall. There was no immediate danger to anyone. One could see and hear officers on her side of the door trying to verbally calm the crowd. None of them felt threatened enough to shoot anyone, and the protesters were in their faces. Yet one on her side of the door was hurt or shot. My eyes and ears do not deceive me.
Watch the video, and then tell me she needed to be shot.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mgnh5jvmuZw
That was one man's opinion, others thought she was executed.
I think my video hit some nerves. I will stop at that, my view of IB is so very poor, I don't want to invite being banned. I ignore her.
Yeah, uninformed people or blind followers.
Not even McCarthy.
https://youtu.be/Um0ZWwRIOOw?t=13
IslandBites: I feel your frustration.
Miebakagh57: Trump deserves all the blame - as the continuing court cases will prove.abwilliams: The veterans took an oath. That should mean something.
credence: I agree about 90%, but there is a 10% group that don't want the information that would change their minds.ab: Here is what happened that day, behind the scenes in the chamber where the certification was to take place. It is a blow-by-blow description of members who were left in the chamber. There was no peaceful exiting of the building.
https://apnews.com/article/jan-6-capito … 5642c1b990And this happens to... be aware this video is graphic. Nothing is blacked out.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mgnh5jvmuZwThe clip shows many yelling about a gun. It all happened so fast. But, In my view, the officer was scared as he testified. I just think he panicked. As I pointed out on Ashli' Babbitt side of the door the officers were faced with true Kaos, they were being yelled at and had protesters up in their faces. No one on that side shot anyone. They tried like hell to calm the situation. To prevent bloodshed.
I am respecting that others have every right to their views. I have stated mine. Nothing else to say on this particular sad issue. I mean personal views in the long run truely mean little to anyone but the one that holds the view.Look at all his posts. They’re vile.
No need to feed the trolls.
FYI: I have not seen the video (of the unarmed woman, Ashlee, getting shot) I will view the footage, however. Thanks for the link, Sharlee.The video is shocking, and I just hope anyone that wants to talk about this issue watches the video. It was just a few moments in time.
Leftists don't care! They don't care that this Veteran would have laid down her life, for them!
She was a supporter of Trump, that made her dangerous, therefore, her civil rights were dead...long before she was!
Her "arrogance" got her killed and what's more, she deserved it!
The leftists here have made themselves perfectly clear on this subject.I find it very interesting how the Trumpet cult argues that Trump is innocent until proven guilty by a trial, When the officer who shot Babbitt was found innocent of all charges and the Trumpet cult can't accept that judgement.
You have all kind of excuses as to why Babbitt was innocent, but you can't accept the judges ruling on officer Byrd. You can't accept the truth, just like Trump can't accept that he lost an election. Read this from officer Byrd's own account on Jan.6 I know you won't accept it but I'll post it anyway.
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/of … e-n1277736...and I find it very interesting that the left will defend every single career criminal who will not put their hands in the air, who will not comply, who sometimes may get a choke hold...who sometimes may get shot...who sometimes may die!
But, behold...that night or the following day --- the career criminal is suddenly a hero of the left/a martyr!!
Billboards and posters go up in their honor!
Cities are burned in their honor!
Businesses are looted in their honor.
100 year old statues are toppled & destroyed, in their honor!
The sports world and mainstream media, go completely MAD, in their honor.
Police Officers are targeted and often killed - in their honor!
But, this Veteran was "arrogant" in her non-compliance, so she is dead and leftists will never stop...spitting on her grave.ab: It's obvious you didn't read the link I posted about Officer Bryd's own account and why he was not charged. Or maybe you did read it and you are ignoring the facts. Dead people can't talk, so nobody will know what her real motive was for breaking and trying to enter the chamber..
Your reply to my post was nothing more than a "What about" rant. Put yourself in his place.. What would you have done under those circumstances, open the door and let her in, so she could harass the members of congress that were there on official business?
They were there to certify the official slate for the next duly elected president of the United States, not the fake slate that Trump wanted substituted.
She and all the mobs were there to overthrow the election, because Trump could not accept the fact that he lost the election. He wanted them to fight like hell or they would lose their country...
Nobody is spitting on her grave, but you and others like you are spitting on Officer Bryd's face for valiantly doing his job. He and his family have even been receiving death threats, thanks to Trump and his Trumpets.Maybe Officer Bryd should have realized many officers on her side of the door were handling the situation. They were trying to control the crowd not kill the crowd. He actually (IMO) was in the safest place nothing was even going on on his side of the door. But a man in a suit mulling around on his cell, and one other officer down the hall, other than that there was one even on his side of the hall. Hey, he claimed he was frightened, hopefully, he has been removed from duty. He appeared to shoot before thinking out the situation, and the number of Officier that was just on her side of the door. The videos are very clear and show precisely what was going on on both sides of the door.
The officer panicked out of fear and shot. he admitted his fear, and hey that's pretty much that. In my view, he is not suited for the job. He should have assessed the situation before shooting Ashli.
I don't know if it is a good thing to live in a country where unarmed people, because they are of a particular political party, can get shot by law enforcement when they are unarmed.
She was unarmed. She wasn't given a proper warning or a chance to stop.
She was murdered because she was the member of the wrong political party and it was open season on them.I agree -- 125 pounds, unarmed, and only her top half through that window. Any officer could have taken her down if she would not stop. Hey, some will never see what is clearly even when videos show what clearly happened.
"They" are told what to beleive, and they believe it --- good is bad --- bad is good...
I agree with your comment --- every last word.
I am glad everybody said it was their opinion or in their view, because I posted what Officer Bryd went through. You are entitled to your opinion, but facts are facts. You can either believe him or don't. I choose to believe him.
Several years ago we were in the Capitol. We had the privilege of watching the senate in session. We were up in the front seats in the balcony. I just happened to put my arms over the rail and look down. Immediately security, came over and told me to sit back in my seat. That's how tight security was.
We also attended a session of SCOTUS. There, you can't even sneeze or they reprimand you. You have to be as quite as a church mouse.
The mobs were there for one reason only to protest about Trump not accepting the fact that he lost an election. They had no official business being in those chambers and destroying property paid for by tax payers.
Actually it was about Trump tying to steal an election from a duly elected president. They had no right being in the capitol building. They looked like ants trying to scale the walls of the capitol and breaking in.
Some of you say it was just a peaceful gathering of people, but I know better. I saw it with my own eyes and so did God and the rest of world. The only people who think it was a peaceful gathering are the Trumpets, because like Trump, they can't accept that he lost an election fair and square.I am glad everybody said it was their opinion or in their view, because I posted what Officer Bryd went through. You are entitled to your opinion, but facts are facts. You can either believe him or don't. I choose to believe him.
Several years ago we were in the Capitol. We had the privilege of watching the senate in session. We were up in the front seats in the balcony. I just happened to put my arms over the rail and look down. Immediately security, came over and told me to sit back in my seat. That's how tight security was.
We also attended a session of SCOTUS. There, you can't even sneeze or they reprimand you. You have to be as quite as a church mouse.
The mobs were there for one reason only to protest about Trump not accepting the fact that he lost an election. They had no official business being in those chambers and destroying property paid for by tax payers.
Actually it was about Trump tying to steal an election from a duly elected president. They had no right being in the capitol building. They looked like ants trying to scale the walls of the capitol and breaking in.
Some of you say it was just a peaceful gathering of people, but I know better. I saw it with my own eyes and so did God and the rest of world. The only people who think it was a peaceful gathering are the Trumpets, because like Trump, they can't accept that he lost an election fair and square.
Ashli Babbitt was not shot and killed immediately. She was shot in the shoulder. She died from the wound sometime later,
Here is everything you wanted to know about Ashli Babbitt and the shooting but were afraid to ask.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Killing_o … 0Police%20(USCP)%20officer.PP, its a good read. And, its Wikipedia online. And, I'm afraid that many will ignored the read. It's a pity that Ashli, whose career began in the Airforce would turn a bad leaf. Such is life that ends unfortunately. But I'm against her climbing the 'broken' window, when repeated orders bar her. I've said it before that's its a sign of stupidness and stubornness.
PP, you sound right and okay here. Though you've been at the Capitol before prior to the Capitol invasion, and to SCOTUS pro to this too, I don't think you're at the Capitol on J6. Trump, must be tried, whether I'm a Trumpeter, or not. That his lawyers asked for a postponement of the schduled August trial to December, is part of the legal professinn game. Only The Judge can decide to uphold it or not.
"You are entitled to your opinion, but facts are facts. You can either believe him or don't. I choose to believe him."
Not sure if you have read all my comments in regard to Mr. Bryd's statement. And I assume do tho you addressing this comment to me you are insinuating I in some fashion impugned this officer.
What I shared was, and I repeat, I obtained my view from research on his interviews, and the end report on the investigation.. --- I said he was scared, and he admitted this, and he felt threatened, I did not question that. I said (now here is where my view comes in) Due to these two emotions he panicked and shot Ashli. I also mentioned the other officers chose to try to calm the crowd. These officers did not find they needed to shoot anyone. Yet they were face to face with a very angry crowd, they were outnumbered, and they did not find Ashley to be such a threat that they needed to even try to subdue her physically. I feel Byrd differently was frightened -- and he may not be suited to do the job he was hired to due.
"The only people who think it was a peaceful gathering are the Trumpets,"
This would be your view, and yes, (In my view) liberals tend to become overly haughty and feel they have the right to group people, and title the group with derogatory labels. I am so pleased to share, I don't ascribe to this mindset. Because if I did, Oh my could I come up with some very funny, and yes derogatory labels?Deleted
And there were many officers on her side of the door, and they did not find her a threat. Why in the world would Bryd find an unarmed woman a threat? And if he did why did he not physically subdue her? She was at a disadvantage just the fact that she was climbing through a window. My God can't even imagine if the police just started shooting people instead of using physical force to attempt to subdue them.
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Conservatives do not have “ a very strong sentiment against police officers.”
That is the opposite of the truth. It is so far from the truth that one has to wonder which Twitter troll or network convinced you of that?Have to wonder (were conservatives don't like cops) came from. If anything it is just the opposite.
Yes, I found this statement very odd... I mean the GOP in their states are passing laws to support the police, as well as Conservatives are up in arms in regard to the liberal laws being passed to make crime more attractive.
Hey Savvy -- up is down, down is up.
"I understand the very strong sentiment against our police forces by today's conservatives but we really need to understand the positions we put these officers in."
What? That makes no sense, it is the Conservatives as well as the GOP that are demanding better law enforcement. Your logic escapes me, and to be honest, seems odd. I have no wish to be baited into this subject.
In this conversation in regard to Asjli -- I made mention of the officers that were on the site at the Capitol on Jan 5th. I did share I felt the majority used another tactic than Officer Bryd. My support is with Law enforcement, and I hope to see more stringent laws to make their jobs easier.
This conversation is being shared by several users, we see that each individual is sharing rudimentary views of what happened on that day.
We all have the right to discuss this issue and yes, share individual views.
I have noted your view."I understand the very strong sentiment against our police forces by today's conservatives."
Conservatives back the blue; always have, always will!
More importantly, those in blue...know it!!
As far as the shooting in the Capitol Building, one Police Officer took things too far, unnecessarily.
I, personally, believe that he made the wrong choice with this shooting and with his career choice.The leftists are marching on the streets demanding that we defund the police and you come up with bizarre statement like that? Do you live on this planet?
She’s likely a member of a team that has been banned and comes up under an assumed name. Their goal is to spread untruths about conservatives.
Well, this person admitted to being part of a group that was going after what they deem Conservative information --- this is not a quote.
You would think if this is the case they might target a
bigger pond... I mean we have so few people that post here, and some lean to the left.
I don't think I ever (myself) have run into a conservative that wants to defund the police -- we are all about stringent laws, and making sure they are followed.
" I said (now here is where my view comes in) Due to these two emotions he panicked and shot Ashli. I also mentioned the other officers chose to try to calm the crowd. These officers did not find they needed to shoot anyone. Yet they were face to face with a very angry crowd, they were outnumbered, and they did not find Ashley to be such a threat that they needed to even try to subdue her physically. I feel Byrd differently was frightened -- and he may not be suited to do the job he was hired to
do."
Note the words -- (now here is where my view comes in).
Only her head and the top of her shoulders were in the window. In my
view, he could have just grabbed her and subdued her. She was a small woman he was a large man. Hey, we can agree to disagree. He hid in a doorway and shot her, instead of even attempting to subdue her. He admitted he was frightened, this to me said it all. I would think all the officers on that day were frightened, and felt very threatened by the crowd that had become aggressive -- no other officer felt they needed to shoot a protester.
This is the very last time I will share the same view --- Time to agree to disagree.
(In my view) liberals tend to become overly haughty and feel they have the right to group people
Huh.
I would imagine after the many years of us both posting here that you would well know I hold that opinion.
The word haughty was my choice of word, to keep it polite. I used the term liberal as a form of mindset. Haughty is a word that is exhibited by mindset. A mindset that could include arrogant superiority. Oh well, sometimes views will vary.
Oh you mean like Trump groups people and calls them derogatory names? He is the master at it and you and other Trumpets admire him for his overly haughtiness. He has been doing it his whole life.
According to his niece, he learned from his father from at an early age. I call Trumpers, Trumpets, because you have all been spawned from him as his offspring. It is so easy to point out the hypocrisy of Trump and his Trumpets.
You don't have to come up with anything. We are the libitards, leftys, socialist, communist, the deep state, radical, elitist, and we all suffer from TDS. Please feel free to add more.PP --- You divert here is the statement I was referring to --- It was a comment you shared, your words and your view.
"Some of you say it was just a peaceful gathering of people, but I know better. I saw it with my own eyes and so did God and the rest of world. The only people who think it was a peaceful gathering are the Trumpets,"
Now you head right back to Trump. You ignored my thought altogether.
This is my comment --- Note it has nothing to do with Trump it has to do with a man (you) feeling you can group people, and label them with a derogatory label. You say this is what Trump does --- so, you feel this is a good thing? You mimic what you feel is a poor characteristic that Trump uses.
I don't use the terms of others, I use the word liberal as a form of mindset, those that may share the same ideologies or social philosophy.
AlexWiit has been banned. One less troll.
I think because she as Air Force vet was not afraid, and dare to face death. Bv its just plain stupid and stubornness.
It's not only the SkyNews dispersing USA affairs in economic, political, social, and entertainment trends. Time and NewsWeek, are two of my favourite foreign news magazines, when I was a boy of15 years. Local journalists, acting as foreign correspondence, for reputabld tabloids also, help in dispensing USA in the 80s and 90s.
He did his job "valiantly"... I will post that word to my memory bank.
Back to reality.
Trump Lawyers Seek Indefinite Postponement of Documents Trial
Lawyers for former President Donald J. Trump asked a federal judge on Monday night to indefinitely postpone his trial on charges of illegally retaining classified documents after he left office, saying that the proceeding should not begin until all “substantive motions” in the case had been presented and decided.
The filing came in response to one submitted last month by prosecutors working for the special counsel, Jack Smith, who requested a trial date of Dec. 11. Judge Cannon, appearing to adopt the brisk calendar mandated by the Speedy Trial Act, had initially scheduled the case to go to trial in August.
https://www.nytimes.com/2023/07/11/us/p … ement.htmlTrump Employee Warned of Charges in Classified Documents Case
Prosecutors sent a target letter to a low-level worker at former President Donald J. Trump’s company, suggesting the possibility of indictment and confirming that the investigation is continuing.
A low-level employee of the Trump Organization has received a target letter from the special counsel Jack Smith in connection with the investigation into former President Donald J. Trump’s handling of classified documents, suggesting that the employee could face charges and confirming that the broader inquiry continues, according to a person familiar with the matter.
The employee, whom the person declined to name, received the letter in the past few weeks after appearing in May before a federal grand jury in Washington. Prosecutors have been trying to establish whether any of Mr. Trump’s aides or employees interfered with the government’s attempts to obtain security camera footage from Mar-a-Lago, the former president’s private club and residence in Florida.
Prosecutors use target letters to inform subjects of criminal investigations that they could be charged with crimes. Though it remains unclear what charges the Trump Organization employee could be facing, the special counsel’s office has been scrutinizing whether the employee’s grand jury testimony was truthful, the person familiar with the matter said.
As part of their continuing investigation, prosecutors have questioned additional witnesses and sought more surveillance camera footage, according to a person familiar with the matter. Prosecutors have also asked questions about boxes of documents being moved not only at Mar-a-Lago but also at other Trump-owned properties in Florida, including the Trump National Doral Golf Club near Miami and the Trump National Golf Club in Jupiter, another person familiar with the matter said.
The New York Times recently reported that despite the charges filed against Mr. Trump and Mr. Nauta, the grand jury in Miami that returned the indictments was still issuing new subpoenas for documents, indicating the investigation was active. In a court filing on Thursday, Mr. Smith’s office confirmed that prosecutors had interviewed witnesses as recently as June 23 — a few weeks after Mr. Trump and Mr. Nauta were charged.
https://www.nytimes.com/2023/07/14/us/p … ments.html
Sharlee "Watch the video, and then tell me she needed to be shot.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mgnh5jvmuZw"
What this video clearly shows is that you were not there, neither was I or anybody else on this site.You are right Kathleen, we weren't there, but several people involved in this particular discussion, claim to know her mind & her intentions and believe that she deserved this.
I agree with Sharlee, the Officer was scared and he overreacted.
I know that he was cleared of any wrong-doing.
We had a Police Officer show up at our house at 3:00 in the morning once. We don't live in a neighborhood, we are out in the country. He was at the wrong house!! We tried to talk to him and explain, that we had not called them, there were no problems, we were the owners, we were fine.... but he had his gun out, was shaking like a leaf and I was afraid that he was going to shoot my husband right there in our foyer!!
Some people aren't meant to be Police Officers!I'm sorry for the experience you suffered.
None of us know how fit this officer was or not. I think we should keep our opinions on the matter to ourselves.
Well, there were many people that were and thanks to cell phones recorded it for history. My eyes do not deceive me. Not will anyone that twists what occurred on that day. Just not wired that way.
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You're back, again!!
You've obviously missed my point....entirely, but I am not surprised.
I get a lot of mixed signals from the left... They will chant things like, "pigs in a blanket fry em like bacon", then go burn down the town...because they believe a career criminal should NEVER be shot by a Police Officer.
But in this case, yes by all means, SHOOT the Trump supporter, ask questions later, completely justifying THIS shooting!
Is "mixed signals" the right term? I should have said the blatant double standard!!!Deleted
Correct. Those who march, chanting about death to cops and defunding the Police, destroying property, toppling police cars, looting people's businesses, burning cities...are on the side of career criminals.
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Agreed. I am not talking about them.
Later.
I think, (IMO) is called hypocrisy.
What I see is this user will not accept that individual views often differ and that this is a forum where views are shared.Deleted
No, not a thing is wrong with sharing your view -- but you just share your view over and over and over... With very little new to add. Maybe share your views with others when someone states agree to disagree.
Well maybe, here is a different view.
So many of the readers on this forum have not read the Wikipedia article about Ashli Babbit and her criminal actions that led up to that day. So I'm going to force feed them by posting some of the relevant text. At the end of the text. I posted the link to the entire article with source citings. It is quite revealing as to how the Fox News hosts started the whole Ashli Babbitt martyr conspiracy that Trumpers bought into.
Fox News hosts Tucker Carlson, Laura Ingraham and Mark Levin were sympathetic to Babbitt, with Levin understating Babbitt's actions and claiming that she had been just "walking around with the rest". U.S. Representative Paul Gosar (R-AZ) said Babbitt had been "executed", later doubling down on that comment and adding that the police officer had been "lying in wait" and demanding to know his name
This is the text from the Reaction, and Legacy sections of the article. This stuff can't be made up. Wikipedia has listed all the sources at the end of the article.
"Though they deplored Babbitt's death shortly after the event, few among Republican Members of Congress and conservative media initially claimed any wrongdoing from law enforcement, or suggested that it warranted a backlash. Gradually, though, efforts were made to suggest that Babbitt was a martyr, or at least a patriot who was unjustly killed.[79] Fox News hosts Tucker Carlson, Laura Ingraham and Mark Levin were sympathetic to Babbitt, with Levin understating Babbitt's actions and claiming that she had been just "walking around with the rest". U.S. Representative Paul Gosar (R-AZ) said Babbitt had been "executed", later doubling down on that comment and adding that the police officer had been "lying in wait" and demanding to know his name. This drew a rebuke from representative Liz Cheney, who accused Gosar of "[smearing] the men and women who defended us". Fringe figures[who?][79] and far-right extremists[who?][80] have also cast Babbitt as a martyr or a "freedom fighter".[80] Democratic strategist Mark Burns said this was a "dangerous development for a Republican Party with members [27] increasingly comfortable pressing for and defending political violence".[81] Both he and David Frum in The Atlantic compared these efforts to the Nazi glorification of Horst Wessel.[82]
Some QAnon supporters, including Lin Wood, have said that Babbitt is still alive and that her apparent death was a "false flag" operation.[27][83]
In October 2021, Trump recorded a video message arguing that "There was no reason Ashli should've lost her life that day. We must all demand justice for Ashli and her family".[84][85][86]
Russian President Vladimir Putin condemned the shooting of Babbitt, describing it as an "assassination".[87] Brazilian Foreign Minister Ernesto Araújo called for an investigation into Babbitt's death.[88]
Legacy
Babbitt's mother, Micki Witthoeft, became politically active following her daughter's death. In July 2021, she appeared at a Donald Trump rally where she was introduced by Paul Gosar and received a standing ovation from the crowd. During the rally, Trump expressed condolences to Witthoeft and acknowledged that Babbitt had died trying to salvage his presidency. Witthoeft later said in an interview that she was writing letters of support to January 6 arrestees and commented that her daughter had "made the ultimate sacrifice to bring attention to a stolen election. Half the country loves her and half the country hates her. It's weird to have your child belong to the world".[89] Babbitt's husband told reporters that he does not want violence done in his wife's name, after being asked about comments made by Michael Braynard, the organizer of the Justice for J6 rally, which was dedicated in part to Babbitt.[90]
Babbitt's name and the circumstances of her death have been invoked by various groups. Shortly after her death, Babbitt's name and image were used widely by extremist groups on social media groups, such as Parler and Telegram, with some using white nationalist and anti-semitic themes.[91]
In February 2022, American truckers attempting to emulate the Canadian truckers protests against COVID-19 vaccine mandates told reporters that they were also protesting Babbitt's death along with issues such as COVID-19 restrictions and critical race theory.[92]
In May 2023, during a round of tit for tat sanctions during the Russian invasion of Ukraine, Byrd was one of 500 Americans to have financial and travel restrictions imposed on them. While the Russian Foreign Ministry did not directly address Byrd's listing, it said that the list included: "those in...law enforcement agencies who are directly involved in the persecution of dissidents in the wake of the so-called storming of the Capitol."[93][94]"
Here is the link to the entire article.. It is divided into the following sections.
Background
Attempts to overturn the 2020 election
Personal life and viewpoints of Ashli Babbitt
Capitol attack
Shooting during the attempted breach of the Speaker's Lobby
Investigation
Public remarks by CSPD Officer Lt Byrd
Reactions
Legacy
Here is the link.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Killing_o … t#See_alsoWikipedia is heavily biased to the Left. No educated person would ever rely on Wikipedia for accurate information, unless they are referencing mundane textbook information that any high schooler can find in science class, and which does Not relate to politics!
This is common knowledge, or at least it should be.
However, I am not surprised you believe Wikipedia is a reliable reference source.Savy: Of course not, that way you don't have to read it. Here are the references. I defy you to find any of these references in a high school text book.
I can't believe the excuses Trumpers come up with to protect themselves from the truth. It's called bias confirmation. If Trumpers accepted the truth, that means they would have to admit they were wrong...No Trumper wants to admit that.
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Lee, Capt. Renee (February 15, 2014). "DC Air National Guard airmen depart for deployment". dvidshub.net. U.S. Department of Defense. Retrieved June 26, 2022. [T]hanks to deployment veterans [...] the newer airmen are in good hands and have the opportunity to seek mentorship and advice from those who have deployed on numerous occasions such as Senior Airman Ashli McEntee. Since joining the Air Force eight years ago on active duty, McEntee has deployed seven times. This deployment with the 113th SFS will be her eighth total deployment and her second since joining the DCANG. While preparing for deployment here and at Eglin AFB, she also found herself in a mentoring position to the younger and newer airmen for whom this will be their first time "down range." "The newer airmen have been coming to us and asking about the living conditions, the weather, the gear, the schedule, how we work as teams, the hours we work," McEntee said. "As we have a large amount of first timers deploying with us, I think we can offer comfort and knowledge."
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"BREAKING: Ashli Babbitt Shooting Documents UNCOVERED". Judicial Watch. October 15, 2021. Retrieved March 30, 2023. A DC Department of Forensic Sciences crime scene examination report filed January 11, 2021, indicated that among Babbitt's personal possessions was a 'Para force' folding knife. [...] According to the investigators they, 'recovered "a para force" folding knife in Ms. Babbitt's pants pocket.'
"Knife (Ashley Babbitt)". Judicial Watch. November 12, 2021. Retrieved March 30, 2023.
"Investigative Report Concerning the Use of Force (Glock 22 .40 caliber service pistol) by United States Capitol Police Lieutenant Michael Byrd" (PDF). Metropolitan Police Department of the District of Columbia Internal Affairs Bureau. June 16, 2021. p. 240, 524. Retrieved March 30, 2023. Recovered a 'Para Force' folding knife in Ms. Babbitt's pants pocket;
Sharlet, Jeff (June 22, 2022). "January 6 Was Only the Beginning". Vanity Fair. Retrieved March 30, 2023. There's a knife in her pocket.
Neumann, Ann (March 30, 2023). "'I see this as a global fascist moment': author Jeff Sharlet on interviewing far-right Americans". The Guardian. Retrieved March 30, 2023. They would say she's unarmed, but it's not true. She was carrying a knife. There's a photo of [Babbitt's knife] on the cover of the book. You could say, well, it's a small knife. Really? That knife is plenty big enough.
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"Заявление МИД России в связи с введением персональных санкций в отношении граждан США". Ministry of Foreign Affairs of the Russian Federation (in Russian). May 19, 2023. Retrieved May 21, 2023."Hollywood is left... Media is left... Judges are left... Athletes are left... Teachers are left... Universities are left...and Wikipedia is left..."
But cant accept their guy was the loser. Huh.
Just not a great source.
I am not sure if you are aware but --- Wikipedia is a wiki, meaning anyone can edit nearly any page and improve articles immediately. You do not need to register to do this, and anyone who has edited is known as a Wikipedian or editor. Small edits add up, and every editor can be proud to have made Wikipedia better for all.
edit --- Editing most Wikipedia pages is not very difficult at all. Simply click on the "edit this page" tab at the top of a Wikipedia page (or on a section-edit link). This will bring you to a new page with a text box containing the editable text of the original page.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia … ry%20edit.Not entirely accurate. I listened to the writers for Wikipedia speaking on NPR. They admit to being a small group that “oversees” the information written in Wikipedia. They are highly self congratulatory.
They are Leftists.Savy: "Not entirely accurate." Please tell me which parts do you think are inaccurate and are biased by the left.
The reason I listed all the sources is so people could go to the actual source they didn't think was accurate. Believe it or not, I read the entire source list I posted. If you have any doubts of the validity of the sources, feel free to access the actual source. The internet is a wonderful place for doing that.
I know you won't do that because it is too much work for you to do. And it is much easier for you to just disregard it as lefty BS that can be found in any high school text book.
Yes, this is what I meant by 'it's Wikipedia' Many will doubt the source of the information. Seriously, and critically,unlike. Americana and Britainnica, it's contents can be created and edited by anybody, make Wikipedia, vulnerable to and doubtful to readers academically. Schoolarship, professionalship is ruled out of Wikipedia. But the contents are good.
"Created and edited by anybody" seems the logical choice for a source in today's woke and wicked world. Where words don't mean what they once did. Where you can change the meaning to be, anything you so choose.
I never use it.Yes, Wiki has written just like Hubpages, but many articles have the edit option. Conservative articles can, and do get badly butchered. Due to open editing. Lots of misinformation is produced, and many in the general public take the information as being totally factual.
Savvy: Is everybody who doesn't agree with you "bias to the left"? Maybe it is just information you don't like? They can't all be wrong.
It might be just me, but I think that it is kinda dumb to think that the only acceptable sources of information are those that confirm what it is you want to hear.
We can't believe government reports because they are deep state and Biden biased. We can't believe Wikipedia because it is leftist. There is no proof of that, by the way. But we are to support Fux Noise, Brietbart and Trump's trashy social media site as gospel? We are to support Qanon dumb conspiracy theories without a lick of evidence to support any of it?
If we are to move forward as a nation, the Right as currently structured must be eliminated, through discrediting their liars and hypocrites while resisting their authoritarians and and fascist beliefs.
We, on the left have a big job to do and I am rolling up my sleeves.My point was not we can't believe Wiki due to let or right --- The information is not always accurate due to anyone can edit most of the information... Anyone ---- So, do you think it safe to say even rough nations chime in...
I have nothing against Wiki in fact they ask users to correct articles if found inaccurate. But, I am careful to use them as a source.So, who automatically assumes that it is leftist?
Sharlee and all you other Trumpers out there
Thank you for posting that article. This is the part that everybody missed on that article. Thank God my previous jobs taught me how to do research and analysis. You people who summarily dismissed the article I posted have been duped by a humorous essay. If you would have looked at the top of the page, you would find this disclaimer.
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This is a humorous essay.
It contains the advice or opinions of one or more Wikipedia contributors and is made to be humorous. This page is not one of Wikipedia's policies or guidelines, as it has not been thoroughly vetted by the community. Some essays represent widespread norms; others only represent minority viewpoints. This essay isn't meant to be taken seriously.
So now please read the article and tell me what is not accurate after reading the source citations. Here is the link again. If you don't read it, that is telling that you are afraid of the truth. I can't force you to read the article, but I wish I could.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Killing_of_Ashli_BabbittSharlee and all you other Trumpers out there
Thank you for posting that article. This is the part that everybody missed on that article. Thank God my previous jobs taught me how to do research and analysis. You people who summarily dismissed the article I posted have been duped by a humorous essay. If you would have looked at the top of the page, you would find this disclaimer.
https://hubstatic.com/16617190.jpg
This is a humorous essay.
It contains the advice or opinions of one or more Wikipedia contributors and is made to be humorous. This page is not one of Wikipedia's policies or guidelines, as it has not been thoroughly vetted by the community. Some essays represent widespread norms; others only represent minority viewpoints. This essay isn't meant to be taken seriously.
So now please read the article and tell me what is not accurate after reading the source citations. Here is the link again. If you don't read it, that is telling that you are afraid of the truth. I can't force you to read the article, but I wish I could.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Killing_of_Ashli_BabbittI edit frequently on Wiki --- I know have an account, however, an account is not necessary to edit. I have added an article, view the top Right Wiki toolbar, and note the edit option.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hydrangea
Please have a look at Wiki Help page
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Help:Edit … for%20all.
My comment was meant to share information on Wiki not always being the best source due to editing. I was not intending to continue any further discussion in regard to Ashli. I said my piece ad nauseam. Here is the link to my comment.
To be honest I am not interested in dirty laundry about a woman that was shot and killed. I feel it is despicable, almost like you're trying to offer her past as she deserved to die. I will be honest I feel this kind of defamation is uncalled for. This was a young woman that spent 12 years in our military, most of those years in war zones, and was deployed 8 this in the middle east. I don't sling mud at vets. Maybe "walk in her shoes".
I have many words, not labels, I could use to describe what I feel about you, but have the decency to take Michelle Obama's words to heart --- when they go low we go high...Sharlee: All I'm trying to do is to get to the best version of the truth. You totally disregarded my comment about you posting a humorous essay on wikipedia that was not meant to be an official wikipedia policy.
You and many others used that fake policy to as the basis to diminish my post. There are several people now on this forum who believe that fake article.
God bless Ashli for the time she spent in the military, but that does not dismiss what you and others think what happened and how she was made a martyr by fox news.hosts. When she entered the room where she was not supposed to be she was not a vet. If you read the wikipedia or any other source about her life before Jan. 6, you realize, she was very troubled and not an upstanding person.
All of this has to do with cause and effect. Trump is the root cause and the effect is what happened because of him. That goes for Jan. 6, the documents, and his illicit affairs. .I offered you the link to an article as a simple tutorial on how one can edit on Wiki. I also posted the link to their Editing help page. Anyone can edit on Wiki, as I said not all articles. I am not sure what you are even referring to, in regard to a disclaimer. Being on any of the links I offered. Please revisit both. My post is Wiki Help page a tutorial on how to edit on Wiki. I am shocked you continue to dispute that people freely edit on Wiki.
I really have no interest in your view in regard to Ashli's death. I shared mine, at length on this thread. I don't agree with yours. I could not be more direct.
I have noted something odd on this thread --- I feel all that have posted here, offered a view. it appears some perhaps are overstating their views (beating a dead horse one could say) are these users trying to convenience others of their opinion or are they trying to convince themselves?Sharlee:
I guess you missed the disclaimer on the page you referred me to that you are calling a tutorial. As they say, you can bring a horse to water, but you can't make him drink.
Therefore, it you are to accept the truth, it would make you fee bad and none of you want that. Then you would have to admit you are wrong, but none of you want that.
I don't have to convince myself of the truth. I have done so much research on this subject that points to Ashli should not have been there. Trump caused Jan. 6 to happen and Ashli got caught up in the conspiracy, that Biden stole the election from Trump which is a bold face lie.
Many others who were caught up in Trump's lie have gone to jail and many more are still going to go to jail, because of Trump's lies.
Here is the graphic at the top of the page you referred to me.
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It details processes or procedures of some aspect(s) of Wikipedia's norms and practices. It is not one of Wikipedia's policies or guidelines, and may reflect varying levels of consensus and Wikipedia is a wiki, meaning anyone can edit nearly any[1] page and improve articles immediately. You do not need to register to do this, and anyone who has edited is known as a Wikipedian or editor. Small edits add up, and every editor can be proud to have made Wikipedia better for all. There are two editing interfaces: the new VisualEditor (VE) and classic wikitext editing (wiki markup), which uses the Source Editor.
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The Wikipedia community has developed style guidelines to make articles and facts appear in a standardized form, and Wikipedia easier to use as a whole. A basic list of wikitext can be found on the cheatsheet. An "edit toolbar" is provided just above the edit box (pictured below), which allows logged-in users (by selecting the option in personal preferences) to automatically place and format various aspects of wiki code. See Help:Wikitext for more information, remember that you can't break Wikipedia, and, although there are many protocols, perfection is not required, as Wikipedia is a work in progress.
When you have finished editing, you should write a short edit summary in the small field below the edit box (pictured below). You may use shorthand to describe your changes, as described in the legend. To see how the page looks with your edits, press the "Show preview" button. To see the differences between the page with your edits and the previous version of the page, press the "Show changes" button. If you're satisfied with what you see, be bold and press the "Publish changes" button. Your changes will immediately be visible to all Wikipedia users.
Very lengthy help page with simple instructions.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Help:Edit … for%20all.
There is no such disclaimer on the Help page I have been offering.
I suggest you do further research on Wikipedia encourages users
to edit.
As I told you I edit frequently on Wikipedia one sees lots of political misinformation that needs editing.But, the small group I spoke of earlier, which you may have missed, will edit things back to the side of the Left. They take great pride in doing so. As I explained earlier, they said no on NPR.
Yes, this is very present on Wiki. I joined Wiki some years ago, and have been editing here and there. Not sure why PP can not understand the community of Wiki. If the article is open to editing (not all are) one can edit it.
Again, I listened to an NPR interview from a man who spoke on behalf of Wikipedia. He stated that he was among a handful of individuals who edited everything written on Wikipedia.
So, while you may edit something, they will edit it back. That’s what this “handful” community does, as he put it.
Fast forward: Professors tell their students, “Do not use Wikipedia.” It is not reliable. Period. Those in higher education know that Wikipedia is not a reliable source if information.
While this is difficult for some people to understand, it remains a fact.I also saw a documentary on the owner of 8chan. He wanted to spread some disinformation about the old owner of the site so he contacted several journalists and spread some gossip. Some of them printed, and he used their reporting to cite sources in his Wikpedia article.
That seems to be one of the easiest sites to manipulate.This one former co-worker of mine who was very educated told me and my co-workers that she had no use for Wikipedia inasmuch as she viewed it as an unreliable information source.
Yea, I've come across this kind of talk before.
But if one compared a certain topic in Wikipedia with that in Americana or and Britannica, the similarities are obvious. The differences too are there.
So, Wikipedia could be reliable in certain circumstances.
These are facts facts indeed.
Sharlee:
"There is no such disclaimer on the Help page I have been offering."
This is what you posted about 40 hours ago. Please click on the link below and look at the box at the top of the page..
"I am not sure if you are aware but --- Wikipedia is a wiki, meaning anyone can edit nearly any page and improve articles immediately. You do not need to register to do this, and anyone who has edited is known as a Wikipedian or editor. Small edits add up, and every editor can be proud to have made Wikipedia better for all.
edit --- Editing most Wikipedia pages is not very difficult at all. Simply click on the "edit this page" tab at the top of a Wikipedia page (or on a section-edit link). This will bring you to a new page with a text box containing the editable text of the original page."
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia … ry%20edit."There is no such disclaimer on the Help page I have been offering."
Note words Help Page. I posted that link several times.
The link you provided was the link I used in my first comment addressing my thoughts on Wiki not really being a good source --- I offered an example of an edited article that certainly was edited to provide something very different from the explanation Wiki gives for their option to edit. They trust people will follow their rules, and add good continents instead of "adding misinformation". I used it due to it being an article one can easily edit --- not the edit bottom top right.
My point as in my first comment on this was to prove due to Wiki having an edited opinion to all --- it is not the best resource. I also mentioned some authors do not leave their articles open to editing. I added that fact, to be fair to the site.
It appeared to me that you were disputing the point that Wiki could be edited by anyone, even those without joining the community. This is my reason for posting the help page in the copy-and-paste form.Sharlee: With all due respect, at this juncture I'm not interested in writing or editing a Wikipedia article. I'm interested it getting to the truth of what happened that day. If you roll your mouse over the numbered references, it will popup and show you everything about that contributor, the source, dates and pertinent information.
If you don't think that source is accurate, please note it. That is all i'm trying to do here. But Trumpers have summarily dismissed this article because it is a wikipedia article and it can't be trusted. It's so much easier that way, They are only interested in what they think the truth is, not the source or the validity of the information.I did not say or refer that you should be interested in editing on WIKI. From my first post on the subject of your WIKI article, I was clear. once again I claimed Wiki in my view is not the best source. I did not read the article due to my view of the site. My view was derived due to Wiki's editing option. I did dismiss the article for that reason and the other I offered --- Once again ---
As one of the Trumpsters, you refer to. Here was my response, please note that I did not make mention of the article you posted in regard to Ashli, nor have I given any impression of the article. Yet you still do not appear to understand what I was conveying, and why I did not address the article.
My post -- "I edit frequently on Wiki --- I know have an account, however, an account is not necessary to edit. I have added an article, view the top Right Wiki toolbar, and note the edit option.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hydrangea
Please have a look at Wiki Help page
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Help:Edit … for%20all.
My comment was only meant to share information on Wiki not always being the best source due to editing. I was not intending to continue any further discussion in regard to Ashli. I said my piece ad nauseam. Here is the link to my comment.
To be honest I am not interested in dirty laundry about a woman that was shot and killed. I feel it is despicable, almost like you're trying to offer her past as she deserved to die. I will be honest I feel this kind of defamation is uncalled for. This was a young woman that spent 12 years in our military, most of those years in war zones, and was deployed 8 this in the middle east. I don't sling mud at vets. Maybe "walk in her shoes".
I have many words, not labels, I could use to describe what I feel about you, but have the decency to take Michelle Obama's words to heart --- when they go low we go high..."Sharlee: You could read the article if you wanted to. You are only using the editing capabilities as an excuse so you don't have to read the article...in my opinion, you tried to overwhelm me with irrelevant information about how to write and edit a wikipedia. As I said before, you can lead a horse to water, but you can't make him drink...I'm through.
I gave two reasons for not being interested in the article wh I was not interested in why I did not read the article.
1. I don't think Wiki is a (and to quote ) great source. This is my view, I went on to share why -- because I was an editor on Wiki, and I did see misinformation in articles at times. I explained in some respects it's due to anyone who can edit without joining as an editor.
2. After you continued to not take no for an answer, I also shared that due to my values, I was not interested in speaking poorly about Ashli, or kicking dirt on her grave. I find it golish to point to her past indiscretions. To borrow a Hillary phrase "'What difference does it make'?"
Perhaps you can just respect I have the right to follow my conscience.Yup. If you watch MAGAs interviews at Trump rallies, that's pretty much the attitude when confronted with facts.
As I just suggested to Kathleen, if this discussion doesn't measure up to your standards, move along.
No need to stick around, especially if only to add personal insults.Thanks. But Im good.
But I think I've missed the "personal insults", though.
I made it clear pages back --- I have values, and don't get a rush from kicking dirt on someone's grave. If you don't like it that's your problem.
I am sorry Sharlee, there's no reason for this.
You are always so patient, I don't have it in me! Have a great weekend girl!
I am not going to be around over the weekend, hopefully everyone will play nice.
Saul Alinsky, the white guy who used black men mercilessly, would be proud. Your propensity for propaganda remains astounding.
Any college professor, anywhere, will never allow any student to use Wikipedia as an information source because they know full well that Wikipedia is not accurate and that it is indeed biased.
That’s a simple fact. No educated person disputes that.
By the way, I hope you never allude to another woman here as “Missy Ann” ever again.
Racist labels have no place here.I say what I want, Savvy, the definition by google showed no particular racial bias in the term. I am not here to offer space and comfort to rabid Rightwingers, but you know that already, as well.
You said yourself that you did not want to be identified as the type that shoots the messenger, calling others trolls because you don't like what they say.
So, what is an unbiased source for you, do you have any?
That stuff about Saul Alinsky is just so much rightwing crap, I am educated enough to know IT when I see it. How about "Getting the Red out", and enjoy the benefit of seeing things more clearly......Touched a nerve?
I take it you have not read Rules for Radicals, or any other history book about Alinsky. If you had, you might not be entirely onboard.I haven't read the book. If you advocate it, it has to be from some biased rightwing source?
Saul Alinsky was a Marxist. He wrote Rules for Radicals. He is as far from Right wing as anyone can be.
I thought you might have knowledge of the book, as many of his beliefs are similar to yours.
As an aside, he dedicated the book to Lucifer.Is all of this tied to your side and its basic anti-semitism?
Archie Bunker would have call me "pinko", but again, Archie Bunker is not assigned a lot of credibility in the real world......
Uh huh .......I have no idea what you mean by “Is all of this tied to your side and it’s basic anti-semitism.”
Please explain?
Rules for Radical’s is the playbook for the far Left. It’s practically required reading for them.
I also do not know what you mean by “Archie Bunker” and “pinko.”
One might assume you are not particularly well read on the topic of “community organizers.”
Okay. You have not read “Rules for Radicals.”
Fine. No need to be defensive.
Ah, but what would you have us move forward to? A country of couch potatoes that contribute nothing? A country of rabid racists, demanding that all Caucasians accept blame for all the ills of others, paying them for what long dead people did? A country of idiots demanding everyone to accept they are something they are not (meaning so-called sex "changes")? A country without police, or with a different set of laws/police for every small group? A country dependent on government for their every need, including any and all protection from criminals?
Moving "forward" is not always a good thing, particularly when the "to" is determined by leftist liberals intent on destroying the culture of the country.But moving backwards is far worse.
So, liberals are about couch potatoes who contribute nothing, a pretty big stereotype, isn't it?
A country where racism is more than just a footnote in regards as to where we are now and why. The people are long dead, but the institutions that were responsible still function.
A country without police, you rightwing types certainly were quick to talk about defunding the FBI in response to your angst about pursuingTrump and his offenses. So, it is just a matter of who the targets are, so Righty certainly does not deserve a pedestal to stand on.
A bunch of fascists who will not abide with democratic processes just because their cretin leader could not win an election fair and square. I don't like anti-democratic attitudes, we, although having differing political values and beliefs, are to follow the rules that apply to us all.
Government is necessary, only conservatives want to eliminate it so greedy capitalists and exploitative forces can operate with impunity.
That is the reality, in my humble opinionHear, hear.
You may not often come in from the wilderness with something to say, but when you do, it is often, profound....Yes, that small, quiet voice from the wilderness, untainted by PC liberals. LOLOLOL
OMG don't anybody say they've read it. She'll call you a liar unless you are willing to prove it to her satisfaction.
No I disagreed. I'm also well educated. The fact is that is that unlike Americana, and Britainnica, which no one can edit as wiki, certain information in Wikipedia are reliable.
I have posted an article in Wikipedia about Ashli Babbitt of which all Trumpers were quick to dismiss as wikipedia can't be trusted for various reasons including, it can be edited, a small group of left wingers control it, its text reads like it came from a high school text book, and it is not like a real encyclopedia. I don't think a real encyclopedia would have anything about Ashli Babbit. Maybe in the future, they will have the whole Trump fiasco in there, but not now.
I pointed out and listed all the citations that are not only referenced in the body of the article, but are linked to the list of citations. All one has to do is roll their mouse over the numbered reference and it will display everything about that contribution.
I asked to please point out any inaccuracies, and go to the linked citations if necessary. Not one person did that. Obviously, no one ever read the article. All the Trumpers, just summarily dismissed the article because it was in wikipedia. It's easier to do it that way.
Trump was right when he said this:
"I could stand in the middle of Fifth Avenue and shoot somebody, and I wouldn't lose any voters, OK?" Trump remarked at a campaign stop at Dordt College in Sioux Center, Iowa. "It's, like, incredible."
It amazes me how two people can watch the same event take place like Jan. 6 and the classified documents and because of their agendas come to completely different conclusions.
This forum has become an exercise in futility for me. I have done everything I can to prove to you that Ashli Babbitt was influenced by Trump's big lie about losing an election. She was not unarmed. She had a combat knife on her person. It was found while they were transporting her to the hospital. Officer Byrd was a 28 year career officer and had never fired a shot at anybody, until Jan. 6.As one of the Trumpsters, you refer to. Here was my response, please note that I did not make mention of the article you posted in regard to Ashli, nor have I given any impression of the article. Yet you still do not appear to understand what I was conveying, and why I did not address the article.
"I edit frequently on Wiki --- I know have an account, however, an account is not necessary to edit. I have added an article, view the top Right Wiki toolbar, and note the edit option.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hydrangea
Please have a look at Wiki Help page
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Help:Edit … for%20all.
My comment was only meant to share information on Wiki not always being the best source due to editing. I was not intending to continue any further discussion in regard to Ashli. I said my piece ad nauseam. Here is the link to my comment.
To be honest I am not interested in dirty laundry about a woman that was shot and killed. I feel it is despicable, almost like you're trying to offer her past as she deserved to die. I will be honest I feel this kind of defamation is uncalled for. This was a young woman that spent 12 years in our military, most of those years in war zones, and was deployed 8 this in the middle east. I don't sling mud at vets. Maybe "walk in her shoes".
I have many words, not labels, I could use to describe what I feel about you, but have the decency to take Michelle Obama's words to heart --- when they go low we go high...""To be honest I am not interested in dirty laundry about a woman that was shot and killed. I feel it is despicable, almost like you're trying to offer her past as she deserved to die. I will be honest I feel this kind of defamation is uncalled for. This was a young woman that spent 12 years in our military, most of those years in war zones, and was deployed 8 this in the middle east. I don't sling mud at vets. Maybe "walk in her shoes".
There is nothing new about it, so I am a veteran, but I know better than to assualt the Capitol building. Understanding security requirements, I certainly would have considered the possibility of lethal force being employed before embarking on such a path. The only real distinction being made in a universe where this happens all of the time is that she was acting under Trumps' marching orders and from the view of the Right, she is automatically a victim entitled to sympathy solely for that reason.Yes, that would be you. But are we all the same, could she have experienced things in her life that could have made her react differently than you or I? Yes, the media have well shared her problemed life, as well as added her she was in the military for 12 years and was deployed 8 times to different war-torn countries in the middle east. I would surmise that she had a life that not many of us could compare to our own.
Was she under Trump's orders? I did not hear him order violence, in fact, the opposite. I feel she made a choice, and so did the officer that was frightened and shot her. My main point I don't get off on making a judgment on her. I never walked in her shoes. If I were this type, I could have despatched George Floyd's past reputation -- and yes, some did on social media, but I did not. I dish the dirt, but not when it comes to the dead."Was she under Trump's orders? I did not hear him order violence, in fact, the opposite. I feel she made a choice, and so did the officer that was frightened and shot her. My main point I don't get off on making a judgment on her. I never walked in her shoes. If I were this type, I could have despatched George Floyd's past reputation -- and yes, some did on social media, but I did not. I dish the dirt, but not when it comes to the dead.
You may of not heard it, but here is what Trump said on Jan. 6,
Let’s take a look at some of those “extremely calming” words from the speech he delivered on Jan. 6:
“And we fight. We fight like hell And if you don’t fight like hell, you’re not going to have a country anymore.”
“All of us here today do not want to see our election victory stolen by emboldened radical-left Democrats, which is what they’re doing … We will never give up, we will never concede. It doesn’t happen. You don’t concede when there’s theft involved.”
“Our country has had enough. We will not take it anymore and that’s what this is all about … We will stop the steal.”
“Because you’ll never take back our country with weakness, you have to show strength and you have to be strong.”
Trump went on to tell Ingraham that the insurrection was just “a protest,” not an insurrection. “It was a protest,” he said. “The insurrection took place on Nov. 3, which was Election Day. This was a protest and a lot of innocent people are being hurt. A lot of innocent people are being injured.” So far, more than 700 people have been charged in connection with the attack on the Capitol.
The former president also addressed the ongoing congressional investigation into the events of Jan. 6. Trump has made the claim that executive privilege protects his communications and records from being subpoenaed. And he has bullied his allies into stonewalling the committee with those same executive privilege claims or by invoking their Fifth Amendment right not to self-incriminate.
Trump, who told Ingraham that he had “nothing to hide,” claimed he was just standing up for executive privilege on principle, somehow implying that Biden, too, secretly wants his executive privilege upheld — even though Biden has rejected Trump’s privilege claims on documents subpoenaed by the committee and defended that stance in court. “The biggest loser would be Biden, because if it ever changes, and I think it will, then he won’t be able to use it with respect to Hunter [Biden] and all of the things that are going on that are so terrible. So I would think that he’d want to see this upheld, frankly,” Trump said. But he did not provide details as to what those alleged “terrible” things are."In other words, "Trump did not order" nor suggest, violence.
Peoplepower
“And we fight. We fight like hell And if you don’t fight like hell, you’re not going to have a country anymore.”
Here is the full context of where you pulled your one sentence
from. I certainly got something very hiddenly then you did.
"As this enormous crowd shows, we have truth and justice on our side. We have a deep and enduring love for America in our hearts. We love our country.
We have overwhelming pride in this great country and we have it deep in our souls. Together, we are determined to defend and preserve government of the people, by the people and for the people.
Our brightest days are before us. Our greatest achievements, still away.
I think one of our great achievements will be election security. Because nobody until I came along had any idea how corrupt our elections were.
And again, most people would stand there at 9 o’clock in the evening and say I want to thank you very much, and they go off to some other life. But I said something’s wrong here, something is really wrong, can have happened.
And we fight. We fight like hell. And if you don’t fight like hell, you’re not going to have a country anymore.
Our exciting adventures and boldest endeavors have not yet begun. My fellow Americans, for our movement, for our children, and for our beloved country.
And I say this despite all that’s happened. The best is yet to come.
So we’re going to, we’re going to walk down Pennsylvania Avenue. I love Pennsylvania Avenue. And we’re going to the Capitol, and we’re going to try and give.
The Democrats are hopeless, they never vote for anything. Not even one vote. But we’re going to try and give our Republicans, the weak ones because the strong ones don’t need any of our help. We’re going to try and give them the kind of pride and boldness that they need to take back our country.
So let’s walk down Pennsylvania Avenue.
I want to thank you all. God bless you and God Bless America.
Thank you all for being here. This is incredible. Thank you very much. Thank you. President Donald Trump
I think his speech was an angry speech, I would have preferred he gave less of a hyperbolic speech. However, I think he wanted to share what he believed and talk almost one on one with all that showed up to support him. This is what Trump does, and what many Americans like and respect.Flowery oratory, Sharlee
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I think one of our great achievements will be election security. Because nobody until I came along had any idea how corrupt our elections were.
The Democrats are hopeless, they never vote for anything. Not even one vote. But we’re going to try and give our Republicans, the weak ones because the strong ones don’t need any of our help. We’re going to try and give them the kind of pride and boldness that they need to take back our country.
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The only reasons elections are only corrupt is because he lost the last one. Who is going to believe anything else?
He had no business being there on that day even suggesting that the democratic process was frayed. I don't believe in coincidences, I say that the reason he was there inciting crowds was linked to the fake elector scheme as well as his pleading with Pence to perform his duty outside of Constitutional prescription, that is if he wanted to be " my friend".It is Trump's words, he was speaking off script closing out his Jan 6th speech. Just wanted to point out the full context of the sentence so many have been drawn to.
It gives a different slant when put into full context... Does it not? My point, it is not really beneficial to grab one sentence and twist the context to be derogatory for a political purpose.
I fully recognize this is Ok with many today. But for me, not so much.See how they're always asking for "context" with anything Trump says, how they make excuses about what he meant, he was talking about this, he feels this and that. "He's hyperbolic" but meant x or y.
But when it comes to simple logic about something said by the other side... Oh, my! LOL
It's so funny how hypocritical they are.
Or maybe they forget their previous words? Maybe?Heck yeah we fight like hell for our Country, our families, their future!!!
When we don't...we wake up one morning being told that Joe Biden is more popular and more loved than Barack Obama and that
he has garnered more votes than Barack Obama, Donald Trump and every other person in our history!Nah, what they told you was your guy was more disliked than the previous GOP candidates.
And things havent changed. LOL
Or maybe they did, for the worse for MAGAs.What they told me? Who, Dems? I don't wait around to be told what to think, certainly not by Dems. But, knock yourself out.
we wake up one morning being told that Joe Biden is more popular and more loved than Barack Obama
Dont know. Imaginary enemies?
Yet, we are allowed to split hairs down to the micron level whenever anything regarding Trump is discussed, yet Biden's and Democrats are attacked without being given anywhere near as much latitude.
Please concentrate, I pointed out one sentence and comment on it. I do realize context is not important to some, and I try to make exceptions for those that ignore the context. However, sometimes it is very hard to ignore.
I was critiquing one sentence, do you understand that? I certainly used "logic in regard to the speech as a whole. However, you just have not followed the full conversation. This is how I address the fuller context of the speech. You need to follow a conversation rather than just jump in with a vague insult. I have learned to also make exceptions in that respect too.
"I think his speech was an angry speech, I would have preferred he gave less of a hyperbolic speech. However, I think he wanted to share what he believed and talk almost one on one with all that showed up to support him. This is what Trump does, and what many Americans like and respect." Permalink https://hubpages.com/politics/forum/356 … ost4300492
If a 28 year career cop kills one of your children or grandchildren, but it is the first time they have ever done that, is it an excusable action then?
Dr.Mark No it's not. But it is better than him having a record of being a reckless cop who shoots people just for the hell of it. I had a relative who was an LAPD cop and he was suspended many times. Until they took him off of the force. Just read the article if you want officer Byrd's and Ashli Babbitt's background. Or are you afraid of reading the article because what you will find out? Just roll your mouse over the citations to get the source information.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Killing_of_Ashli_Babbitt"Just read the article if you want officer Byrd's and Ashli Babbitt's background. "
I was unable to find a link to provide "background" on Officer Bryd. please add a link -- I may have missed it.
I haven't ever been able to find any job record or background on Bryd. I would be interested in anything in regards to his record.
