WHO IS JESUS CHRIST TO YOU?

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Andrew0208posted 14 years ago
WHO IS JESUS CHRIST TO YOU? Striking question indeed. Who is Jesus Christ to you? A Lord, Master, Teacher or Prophet?

Whatever! As you share your views...Why Did He Ever Come To This World?
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  sandra rinckposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  To me, Jesus is a man who loved people and saw that even the most enlightened people are as vulnerable as the the "sinners". He is a man who wanted to change the world with his love and gave up his life to prove that he loved us more than himself.
  
  A man of love. A lover of man and a physically embodiement of love. He came to give people hope, to prove his love and to show people what love is.
  
  I don't believe he was God born perfect from the start but made perfect by his own will and desire to give the world a little peace or peice of what love is. I think He is a lot like a lot of people today who really want a pleasant Earth and a life that is fullfilled with spiritual goodness and love and what made him special was not that he was "perfect" but because he set a path up for people to follow in their right hearts about peace and love.
  
  Physically I don't believe there was anything special about him, what was special was in his heart and his ability to believe in something so much so that he suffered a very brutal and painful death just to prove that love can conquer all.
  
  Today we could have a world full of Christ but unfortunately other things have become more important than unity and love and the transgresions of today aren't really even transgressions, just the inability to make any spiritual steps foward and move the world in a direction that is accepting of all man without the need to "indoctrinate", convert or opress.
  
  Today is the same as it was when Jesus was living on the Earth. Worships and alliences to things that come to no avail for the meek, poor, hungry and or lost. But prosperity to the "wicked", rich and fat.
  
  He came to show us why some of the things that we do are wrong and to give understanding to those who understand it and a reason to still love regardless of the natural circumstances and the habitual inabality to live at peace with each other.
  
  If anyone besides God could be God, then I would definitely bow to Jesus.
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  Pestposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  I too believe he came at a time when people were looking for hope. Jesus offered that and people flocked to him. The rich or well to do didn't need to seek him or what he offered. That is why in the gospel we read over and over how Jesus spent his time with the sick, the poor the "meek". Those were the ones seeking release and they found it in Jesus.
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  mohamedhmmposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  the lord Jesus is a great teacher like the lord moses, and the lord Muhammad; all of them came from God to learn us the way of life.
  may be talking about the lord- lord doesn't mean God it's English word equal the the word master or MR. for respect- Jesus is special issue because many christian believe in him same as God-the father- ; But Muslims who have the last message from God after 600 years from Jesus in their holy book state that the lord Jesus is just a man, and his life and death just test from God; and that's the reason Muslims believe in Jesus as prophet same like the prophet of Islam-Muhammad- and others prophets all same in respect as all of then were great teachers from God for us; but who will follow them?
  And also any Muslim believe in all books that came from God; bible, Torah, and Quran; so, really Muslims present God messages, Muslims present the pure Christianity of christian, pure Jews believe in God, which are included inside Islam message clear and strong and that's the power of Islam which it's same message all times from God to us; but who really follow God message?
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  earnestshubposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  You guys are full of it, jc was just another fable from a book of them.
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  C.Ferreiraposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  A lot going on here! I couldn't get through the whole thing before having to chime in. Ernest, you are 100% correct. The bible is a book filled with stories. If read as JUST a story, the bible is entertaining, but to believe everything in it as fact is just silly.
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  usmanali81posted 14 years agoin reply to this
  It happens because Bible was meant for the people of that particular time only until the last and final messenger Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) came.
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  earnestshubposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  The messenger was man, not any god, the message their idea through knowledge that was limited and then distorted, which is the way of men, the Quoran is no different to the bible in that sense.Men wrote of their god as if he/she/it was the empowering neurosis they suffered from themselves.
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  mohitmisraposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  The prophets were no ordinary men.They had fused with god and worked for god.They didn't have a choice as god controlled them.
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  usmanali81posted 14 years agoin reply to this
  All the Messengers were men Agreed BUT in addition to that, these men were the chosen ones-special priority based VIP humans, appointed for delivering the MESSAGE and the title given to them is PROPHETS.
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  mohitmisraposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Correct they are not called prophets or messengers of god for no reason.
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  earnestshubposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Call them whatever you like, they still passed on an ignorant message that depicted life in the control of a neurotic deity.
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  mohitmisraposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Only a fool can insult the prophets and call god neurotic.
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  earnestshubposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Not foolish enough to believe this rubbish!
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  mohitmisraposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Only a very big fool can come on a religious forum and insult the prophets.Dont you have anything better to do.? I can see you are very frustrated with your life and trying to take out your frustration on this forum.
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  earnestshubposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  You can see nothing through your religious spectacles, why don't you take them off?
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  mohitmisraposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Grow up we are on a religious forum and I am a religious poet.
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  earnestshubposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  You may be religious, but I have seen better poetry from an 8 year old. No, what you are is a fanatic.
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  mohitmisraposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Thats why I am ranked over Bibles and Qurans , how cheap can you get?
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  earnestshubposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Your so called rankings were discussed by caleb and others, you ignored it as usual.
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  mohitmisraposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  You are a looser.Also called the Shakespeare from Pune but that must be nonsense for you was well.
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  earnestshubposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  No you have that wrong too. A loser is the sort of person who writes crap, gets a cheap review from a closed circle and the brags that he is "ranked."
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  mohitmisraposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  I dont know these libraries .Looser ,looser, looser is what you are.
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  earnestshubposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  spelling ...loser, one o. And repeating something has no effect on truth, it just shows how weak your argument is.
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  mohitmisraposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Why are you here? To abuse people having a spiritual discussion?
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  earnestshubposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  This is a forum, I could equally say the same of you, assuming everyone who does not follow your god is wrong.
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  mohitmisraposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  But you don't understand or appreciate spirituality or god while I do.This being a religious forum people are going to be discussing god and spirituality .This is like going into a church and abusing Jesus at the top of your voice something you will not do.You are misusing the fact that this is the internet.
  You don't like these topics yet you insist on staying and abusing people who do, whats your story?
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  earnestshubposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Why would you assume that you know more than any other person about this subject, I have stated my position a number of times.
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  mohitmisraposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Who can possibly know more than an enlightened one ranked over The Holy Bible and Holy Quran ? definitely not you.
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  earnestshubposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Sorry, but yes me and others enlightened enough to get passed being scared of your psychotic piss-ant god.
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  mohitmisraposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Why are you so abusive?
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  earnestshubposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Not agreeing with you is abusive, I get that.
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  mohitmisraposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  You have been abusing ,why are you denying it.
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  earnestshubposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Have a bit of a read of what you have called me you in the last dozen posts. You do this periodically when your arguments don't even convince yourself.
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  mohitmisraposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Called prophet, saint, swami, baba, maha avatr by many. I hope one day you understand who you are abusing.
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  earnestshubposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Why change the subject. You are the abusive one, and all in the name of your god.
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  mohitmisraposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  I praise god,you abuse him when you don't even know him. I work for the light and my job is to guide and save souls which I will.Even yours.
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  earnestshubposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  My job is to expose the hypocrisy of the beliefs held by people like you.
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  mohitmisraposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  :lol you dont have a chance and dont come in my path you will not be spared. You will go soon my work will stay on forever.
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  earnestshubposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  No one will notice your work except those who already swallow the whole thing, and they are already converted anyway, so nothing will be gained. Anyway you have to be read first and that is not easy.
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  mohitmisraposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  When will you understand who I am and what my work is ?
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  earnestshubposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Oh I do understand!
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  mohitmisraposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  If you did you would not insult me, its clear you dont.
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  earnestshubposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Yes I do. You are a religious believer trying to steer a path towards belief in your deity.
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  mohitmisraposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  I believe in the Light-one god and have merged with him some time back to be precise at the age of twenty four.You will pay for your insults and you will understand why you are paying but you will come out a better person.
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  earnestshubposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Your condescension does you no favors intellectually or morally.
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  mohitmisraposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  You will pay soon, mark my words.
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  earnestshubposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Is that a threat from you or your god?
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  mohitmisraposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Both.You will understand that you cannot come on a religious forum and insult a religious poet who is spreading the message of god. You have too big an ego and think you can do anything without there being consequences to your actions.
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  earnestshubposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  So you are making a personal threat!
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  mohitmisraposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Trying to teach you the way of life but you are only going to learn the hard way.You believe you can abuse anyone , the cosmos will abuse you. After enlightenment I dare not insult a person spreading god knowledge as I will also not be spared .
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  earnestshubposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  You, those like you who make threats and those of you abusing people all over this planet are the ones who will learn. You are abusing yourself. You threaten me, I report it to the police. Got a problem with that?
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  mohitmisraposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Please go and tell the police that a religious poet thinks you are a jerk and that he said you will not be spared the consequences of your insults.You will not be spared of your karma.
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  earnestshubposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  mohitmisra wrote:
  
  Both.You will understand that you cannot come on a religious forum and insult a religious poet who is spreading the message of god. You have too big an ego and think you can do anything without there being consequences to your actions. You know what to do with your threats and karma?
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  mohitmisraposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Consequences of your actions- simple.
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  Jewelsposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Mohit, you have abused me, insulted me and yet you feel you are immune from any fault because you say it is because you are enlightened and speak for God. God would never abuse me or insult me. Yet you did. And you do not have the intelligence or wisdom to see it. It is possible you will not be spared.
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  mohitmisraposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  You face your karmas and I will face mine, you are the one who gave me attitude and called my writing vague and that I work for my personal gains to which I replied you are twisted.
  Read how a normal person feels and behaves.
  
  Mohit Mishra has presented a garland of poems sensitizing deep thoughts in worldly reality. The sifting thoughts and emotions seeking out subtle nuances is a work of great mind.
  This work can be sustained by deep courage, commitment, daring and restraint. It is possible by people only who love and care for people.
  It is with deep sense of fulfillment and urge to read again.
  Best wishes,
  Mohit
  Anup Kumar Burman
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  Jewelsposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  I pointed out about your writing because you claim to be a teacher and what you were presenting on hubpages wasn't passing a great deal. I was pointing this out to you as a matter of suggestion. You took it as an insult and it escalated from there. For example, there is no point talking sanskrit to people who don't understand the language, unless you are going to put the translation with context. The conversation became very dirty and you had your fair share of throwing mud. If you speak on behalf of god perhaps you can find better ways of communicating what you need to pass. Forget the superconsciousness. There is no point saying you have it and tell people they don't understand you. That's a cop out and a great way of hiding behind a mask. A person with superconsciousness, when teaching to the masses, will find a way of bridging knowledge. That's the sign of a great teacher. I just wanted to pass this to you. Take it the way you wish to, hopefully like a man with god consciousness.
  
  I will take your suggestion to look after my own karma. That I have no issue with at all.
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  mohitmisraposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  I pointed out about your writing because you claim to be a teacher and what you were presenting on hubpages wasn't passing a great deal- again the attitude.You don't understand enlightenment and you have no right to correct someone who does when he is talking about it-simple.Stop trying to be a grand master.
  You also made the statement that I am poet and not a teacher and I told you to ask your master the meaning of a poet.Did you?
  
  Recently fieryc put up a passage and only I was able to understand it on this forum so trust me I can teach you as well.
  
  A person with superconsciousness, when teaching to the masses, will find a way of bridging knowledge. That's the sign of a great teacher.
  
  Have a spiritual breakfast now ! -Raymond Gallaz-Geneva Switzerland-Reiki Master
  
  Pondering and wondering on the nature of man and God -
  One with a thousand questions and the other with a thousand names and answers-This young poet reminds one of Khalil Gibran witha touch af Tagore.We are sure that his delicious "Ponder Awhile" will give to the seeker of truth a longing for it and a taste of who we really are.
  
  I found that this book did make me stop and ponder a
  while. It is like the calm in the eye of the storm. I
  found reading it a kind of literary meditation. It is
  thoughtful, intelligent, and uplifting, not only do I
  recommend it, I prescribe it. Trust me, I'm a doctor.
  
  Benjamin Zephaniah
  
  A Brilliant Spiritual Work, October
  Some of the most poignant prose I have come across, in relating to all aspects of religion and spirituality through harmony and unity of purpose. Mohit, crystallises all the main themes of life and its transition into beautiful and simple language, giving the reader a basis for considering these moving criteria easily and thoughtfully. Really it is a very useful tool, when trying to understand these deep and often seemingly complex questions.
  Peter Boaz Jones "Pete"
  
  For many I am very clear.
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  earnestshubposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Well, very clear to three people who no one has heard of!
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  mohitmisraposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  These are just a few . Do you think its possible for someone to get ranked at 1 in Inspirational and religious poetry till date, ranked over Holy Bible and Holy Qurans without having many appreciate it? - think again.
  Why don't you write and get ranked over me since you think you are smarter than me? cheap comments don't prove anything.
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  earnestshubposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  I don't think I am smarter than you, I'm absolutely certain of it! Why would I write, I have no desire to be ranked over you for anything.
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  mohitmisraposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  So prove it with your writing, you just talk and take cheap shots. You don't understand a single spiritual debate people have had on this forum, all you do is abuse them.You cannot write as you have no knowledge to do so. Your book will be full of blank pages
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  earnestshubposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Like I said, I have no urge to compete with your writing. It holds less than no interest to me. You go on blowing your own trumpet, say what you will, you are saying who you are.
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  mohitmisraposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Earnys book of spirituality
  
  Chapter one
  
  Duh !!!!
  
  Chapter two
  
  Duh!!!!
  
  Last Chapter
  
  Duh!!!
  
  why are you here if you hate spirituality and spiritual people so much, whats forcing you?
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  usmanali81posted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Agreed
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  mohitmisraposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  "Its is a pleasure to meet a scholar,
  And a pain to part with him." Kural by Tiruvalluvar.
  
  Would be sad to see some scholars leave due to insults. I hope this has not happened to Mohammedhmm and some others.
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  Andrew0208posted 14 years agoin reply to this
  He is my Lord. Many have debated on His Lordship. His Death and Resurrection made it possible.
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  Mark Knowlesposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Come on Andrew - answering your own silly questions......
  
  Meaningless rhetoric as usual . Jesus is a construct to subjugate fools. Everyone knows this.
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  Andrew0208posted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Best known to you Mark, "Jesus is a construct to subjugate fools"
  
  Even the wise still seek Him. Like I've always said; It's a faith walk and not of sensory perceptions.
  
  Jehovah's Word became flesh in Him to be made an ultimate sacrifice of a holy and pure blood far bigger and better than that of pigeons and bulls.
  
  His Death and Resurrection is the "BIG MYSTERY" that lucifer never understood earlier, too BIG for the religious world to comprehend!
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  Lady Guinevereposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Wht mystery is that andrew? It was pretty clear as to how and why he died. Lucifer again huh? Well you all keep saying that he is very smart and e=decieving and now you call him dumb??? Which is he--smart or dumb.........
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  Andrew0208posted 14 years agoin reply to this
  
  If he knew the end from the begining, he would have stopped the death and the blood of Jesus spilled on the earth. His resurrection has permanently put lucifer to zero.
  Now, Christ in you is the hope of glory.
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  Vladimir Uhriposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  
  I am not sure how those pages work.
  
  Jesus is my Lord.
  Devil remains me virus. He is damaging what he can. But what he perverted he is also afflicted with. This is why he is like a zero, as you said. It is the man who thinks, works for him and man do not realize it, which is very sad. He does not know who is he, he is senile.
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  RKHenryposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Fools eh? I'm curious, do you question whether he walked on this planet and was a live person? Even now, when they have the Ponitus[sp] Pilot stone to prove it?
  
  I think Jesus Christ was a man who was a political activist of his day.
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  Julahaposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  There is much in what you say. He led a revolution against the Roman Empire and was so successful that eventually the Roman Empire coopted his teachings as its state religion under Charlemagne.
  
  But that spelt the end of the teaching of Jesus Christ, too. For the Empire interpreted it to suit its requirements and justified a whole lot of un-Christian activities like slavery, colonialism, imperialism, apartheid and a host of others.
  
  If Christ comes back to Earth again, he will hardly recognise what all goes on in his name.
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  mohitmisraposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  I like your last line -he will be in immense pain as most have failed to understand his message and there have been so many ugly wars in his name.
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  Julahaposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  That is true of all religons.
  
  (I hope Misha is not reading this.)
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  tksenseiposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Oh what a surprise to find the one-note bigot hard at work here!
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  Vladimir Uhriposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Andrew made his faith statement.
  My statement is Jesus is my Lord. His is Son of living God and God resurrected Him.
  He is not religious leader, or teacher or prophet only. He is Last Adam who never sin and defeated death and crashed the head of the Satan.
  Others made also own statements. Many are religious but religion will not help.
  To Mark: Your religion is the atheism. But you don't have to be rude and call us fools or else. Your religion did not prove you are right at all.
  I wish you all good and I love you because God loves you, Mark.
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  Mark Knowlesposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  I was more making fun of the fact that Andrew was answering his own question because nobody else had. Everyone knows jesus was not an actual person.
  
  But I also wish you well.
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  Andrew0208posted 14 years agoin reply to this
  "Everyone knows Jesus was not an actual person." Mark, you can't be everyone, only you and most worried atheism know that. Jesus came, died, and resurrected. No wonder His firm is unending! I'm sure future offspring in your like manner in 100 years to come will deny Mark Knowles existence in HubPages and in the earth because of their pride in self, science, evolution, and religion.
  
  Does it make any meaning that the denied your existence because they were not at our present time?
  
  Wisdom is profitable to direct.
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  Mark Knowlesposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  No Andrew. I read history books and other religious books - it is a pretty fair certainty that jesus was not an actual person.
  
  And if you think he was - you have misread the book.
  
  And misunderstood the message.
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  Andrew0208posted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Beautiful lies of atheism.
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  countrywomenposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Mark- Are you serious about "jesus was not an actual person". I mean not believing in Miracles (like Resurrection) is one thing but to doubt the existence is totally another thing?
  
  PS: I just have a brief exposure to Christianity(through a few moral science classes in school) and have never read the bible completely. Please excuse my ignorance.
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  Andrew0208posted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Beautiful lies of atheism.
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  Mark Knowlesposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Absolutely. Jesus is a metaphor. His story was taken from other previous religions and adapted to the time.
  
  http://hubpages.com/hub/The-Death-And-Rebirth-Of-A-God
  
  The whole idea that he was a real person is ridiculous. The message is there though. People like Andrew - now calling me a liar - are typical of those who do not understand the message and try to make it into an external thing.
  
  There is no external god. God is you - and me.
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  Andrew0208posted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Mark is not atheism. I'm sure you met these beautiful lies of atheism geared towards misleading believers.
  
  I do not expect atheism to tell me Jesus Christ existed. Does it make any meaning that they denied He existed? Emphatically No.
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  Mark Knowlesposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Try looking in not out. And I do not like being called a liar. Nor am I trying to mislead anyone. Read your book dude.
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  Andrew0208posted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Christ is risen and exalted. The hope of glory for any believer. Books written by unbelievers and atheists about Christ are just bunch of crap. What do you expect from such books outside the Scriptures about Christ Jesus, "beautiful lies against God and His word"
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  Mark Knowlesposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  A bunch of crap?
  
  Is that what jesus said?
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  waynetposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Yes that sounds like the jesus we all know and love lol
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  Ron Montgomeryposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  That is a direct quote. Book of excrement, chapter 2, verse 13.
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  Jewelsposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Salute to Mark. "There is no external god. God is you - and me." Therefore 'god' is not a separate external being. This is the major thread missing in the verbage. God/Jesus/Buddah/Allah/FSM etc. etc. etc. (just in case I've missed a few) are all found internally. The biggest furphy (or was it the intention?) in religious teachings, is that it pulls people out of themselves.
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  Ron Montgomeryposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  furphy?
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  countrywomenposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Furphy
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  Ron Montgomeryposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Thanks, I'll start using that. It sounds much more civilized than B.S.
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  countrywomenposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  WOW!! That is quite a lot of information Mark. I am not sure if I believe that all this while what I consider to be a great historical figure (Jesus) is actually a persona created by writers(similar to Santa Claus). I mean seriously how could such a massive influence(that Christianity has) ever be a cover up. I personally find it just as difficult to believe as much as the 911 conspiracy theories floating around. Sorry if I sound too skeptical Mark.
  
  Jewels- Actually even in India there is a concept of seeing divinity within us and respecting the same divinity in others. In fact the Indian way of greeting called "Namaste" is actually a subtle way of acknowledging that.
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  mohitmisraposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Correct- namaste is bowing to the spirit in you
  The bindi or tilak on the forehead -purpose to instigate and irritate the third eye, inner eye into action- when thy eye be single-Jesus One pointed concentration is needed to merge with god or the holy spirit.
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  Jewelsposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Why do you take it upon yourself to "correct" a person on these forums? Have you been designated as Hubpages Spiritual Teacher and supposed knower of spiritual realms as assigned by the Hubpages masters? As far as I was made aware, there is no pulpit or wooden box to stand on, where did you find it? The wooden box I mean?
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  mohitmisraposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Who are you to tell me? NOBODY.
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  Jewelsposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  I'm a member of the hubpages community. I'm a human being. I'm a speck in the universe, same as you. Did you get a mandate to be the hubpages preacher? Did you apply for it? When does the contract expire? I didn't come here to be preached to by anyone. If I wanted that I'd go to a church. Perhaps that's what you're missing. Have you your own flock, your own temple, your own place with a pulpit?
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  mohitmisraposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Now I get it, you are the one who thought you were on a pedestal and I came along and shattered it.Thats my job.A student should behave like a student and not like a grand master.
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  Jewelsposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Not once have I claimed to be a teacher or master, a prophet or an enlightened one. If I wanted you as my teacher I would have asked you. You are a disgrace to real prophets. I'm aware of my limitations, apparently you are having difficulties with this area. Do you need some help? Perhaps you could use some guidance.
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  Mark Knowlesposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Can you be that? Is there a club or something and they all sit around the afterlife grading each other and handing out awards?
  
  "2nd worst prophet of 2009." - something like that?
  
  Mohit has already won one award. He sits right after the Vogons.
  
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  Jewelsposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  The grading is done in book sales Mark.
  Anything less than the Ikea catalogue means a repeat performance and the enlightenment title removed. Perhaps the Vogons are the inspirational source? Now it's starting to make sense:D
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  mohitmisraposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  From your behavior it looks like you head the council or club.Your master will never give me attitude- learn from him, You are going against everything he has taught you.
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  Jewelsposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Go inside grasshoper.
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  mohitmisraposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  You sadden me grand master with no knowledge of the light. strange world-strange people ,so twisted and crooked.
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  Jewelsposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Are you inside yet grasshopper? It is indeed a strange world with many many strange people in it. To be saddened is your choice. Even to pity another is to make them lesser than oneself. Accept and beg to understand the difference. To judge one to be better than another is a judgment not sought by God, but by those who have fallen from their rightful place inside themselves. Discernment is sought in order to find truth. Even the need to have the final word can be seen as a grasping of proof which God does not seek. Only the humans seek proof to convince themselves of their own righteousness; A false perception thwart with perils of grandeur.
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  mohitmisraposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  You are a fake.You earlier mentiioned god would never insult you.What do you expect when I am spreading his knowledge and you come in my path with your foolish ego, he will say thank you for being so considerate,kind and thoughtfull to my son who works for me.? foolish ego and nothing else.
  Do understand it is extremely annoying when I am spreading god knowledge and knowledge about enlightenment and someone who doesnt know god or what enlightenment is interferes and gives me attitude.Be nice and I will be nice to you, give me attitude and I will reciprocate with attitude. Strange the so called atheist and non believers understand me better than some believers.They have a better understanding than you do and are honest enough to say they havent come across god.Try being honest and not crooked ,its called spirituality.
  "The only way you can conquer me is through love and there I am gladly conquered. " krishna- Mohit.
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  Jewelsposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  To think one needs to conquer is to think one is lesser than. Mohit, go inside yourself and understand you are no different to God, no less than, no greater than. You are no less than another man, nor greater than another man. If you truly read my words you would see the truth in them. Instead you see me as someone who wishes to conquer you. I have no reason to conquer you. You are not greater than I am. Go inside yourself and you will see the love you are seeking. It is not and never has been outside of you. Enlightenment comes from being enlightened and not just by speaking of it. If you are flustered and annoyed, go inside and find the center of yourself that is never annoyed or flustered. Learn through love. And be it. And in the Being, you show others. A foolish teacher is one who does not listen and learn by his own teachings, and therefore would never be seen as a teacher by his actions. Go inside and teach from there.
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  mohitmisraposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  So why do you keep trying to contradict me when I am talking about god or humiliate me? The first time you contradicted me I said forget it out respect for you being a woman.
  You just didn't stop .Again you are trying to teach me.You admit that you are only an apprentice and accept I am enlightened so why this funny attitude? You are no master and neither are you a grandmaster.
  
  Lets assume you were the enlightened one who has become a poet and been ranked very highly by libraries ,one library even ranks you over the Holy Bible and Holy Quran and I am the student.When you are explaining something about god I butt in and contradict you and give you attitude.The first time out of compassion you say forget it.Then sadly this foolish behavior of mine just doesn't stop and I keep butting in and try to humiliate you.Will you not get angry and irritated with me ?
  
  I hope now you understand you are not doing the right thing.
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  Jewelsposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Again you push outward to blame for your reaction. You assume I am lesser than. It is you who espouse he is enlightened, I have not done that, you perhaps have misunderstood. I have said YOU are not MY teacher. I pass to you that I am not YOUR apprentice and not your student, nor will I ever be. You know nothing of who I am or what I have done yet you judge me to be lesser than you based on very little. Vision and discernment is the realm of a teacher. Judgment and righteousness is the realm of the unitiated. You have no mandate to be righteous or judgmental over me. But you are welcome to waste your breath being righteous and judgmental if that gives you pleasure.
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  mohitmisraposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Forget it ,you do understand your master will need to take up some of your karmas.Be nice for his sake.
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  Jewelsposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Everything is inside. Namaste.
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  mohitmisraposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Guidance from you- again shows your twisted side.
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  Jewelsposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Not guidance from me - I'm not your teacher dear one! You keep saying twisted Mohits. Is this a reflection for you perhaps? Go inside grasshoper.
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  Jewelsposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Hi CW, yes, it's a beautiful way to greet. I spent a few years doing yoga and I experienced a few Hindu ways. My own teacher is fluent in sanskrit and spent several years as an interpreter for Indian Teachers. There are some beautiful teachings to come out of the Hindu tradition.
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  earnestshubposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  This is a lovely and confirming way to greet! I would like to see it used elsewhere.
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  Jewelsposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Me too. Namaste ernestshub and CW and Mark and friends of heart.
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  earnestshubposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Namaste jewels, CW and fans hubbers.
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  countrywomenposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Namaste to all of my wonderful friends. Our fellow hubber Anamika has written a wonderful article about Namaste: http://anamika.today.com/2009/03/14/nam … nificance/
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  mohitmisraposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Namaste to you too, the article was well written.Thank you for sharing it.
  I hope you realize I meant no offense to you and by saying correct was praising your answer and only adding to it.
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  countrywomenposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Thanks Sir.
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  mohitmisraposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Please call me Mohit
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  Anamika Sposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Thanks a ton dear for sharing it in the Forum.
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  Mark Knowlesposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  You don't have to believe me. Jenny's hub is about several extremely similar stories that were written hundreds of years before the story of christ. Just get some of those stories and make your own mind up.
  
  The bible is a religious book. Not a history book.
  
  There is a difference.
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  countrywomenposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Mark- Now that is something I find very difficult to digest. I mean there are various eyewitness accounts as mentioned in the book besides that there are even some inscriptions which mention about Pontius (the Roman Governor who ordered the crucifixation of Jesus) and also I read somewhere they found a cloth in Turin too. I am aware that there would be some distortions and exaggerations but the central figure (Jesus) himself being a fictitious person is hard for me to believe. Can you please point to me some sources which has convinced you this way or you are also skeptical and feel probably there never existed (I mean not sure and it is your personal conclusion). I mean no offense or disrespectful of your knowledge and experience. I hope you treat this as a sincere question.
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  countrywomenposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Still no response from you Mark. If you felt bad that I was still skeptical in spite of your explanation then I apologize. I was sincerely curious hence stated the same earlier too.
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  Mark Knowlesposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Sorry - missed this one. I am doing the hubchallenge.
  
  I am sure there was a person called jesus in this time - maybe. But the bible is not a history book and there are scant references to this person. Understandable considering who was writing the history books - but - this is something you should look into yourself. Check out the story of Horus and see the similarities between the two stories. This story was stolen from previous "pagan" religions.
  
  Look up about Christmas trees - and what the bible says about them. Where do the namees of the days of the week come from?
  
  What did Constantine do that switched the Romans to christianity?
  
  Why was the calendar changed?
  
  Do not take my word for anything - look for yourself.
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  countrywomenposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  I know many have taken that challenge. Ok then can I make a request to you or it is inappropriate to have a hub titled: Did Jesus really exist? You have really stirred a deep curiosity in me but I am not sure what to read or where to search for the answers. I mean having similarities could also be a coincidence. Thanks for also not feeling offended that I am still skeptical in spite of your findings. And when you say "maybe" does that mean even you aren't sure either one way or the other? Thanks anyway for responding.
  
  PS: I will search for the specific questions that you posed now.
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  Mark Knowlesposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  I will do that one after I have finished the challenge. What I will say is -
  
  jesus is a metaphor. It doesn't make any difference if he was an actual person or not. You be as skeptical as you want. That is what your brain is for lol
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  countrywomenposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Yes that's what happens to folks like me who aren't sure whether God really exists or not. I guess it will take a lifetime for me to really answer that question but till then I hope to be questioning instead of assuming to have arrived at an answer which could be a "false" certainty. Btw don't worry I am not going to be taking leave of my brain anytime soon.
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  Mark Knowlesposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  No one is sure whether god really exists or not. It is an unanswerable question. And unprovable either way. I take the contrary view to show all those who are sure He exists what it looks like. Annoys the hell out of them.
  
  I do take issue with the certainties that being sure brings though.
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  countrywomenposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Are you sure you are an atheist? Since I thought Atheists are sure that there is no God unlike agnostics who are still not sure like me.
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  Mark Knowlesposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Of course I am. How dare you !
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  countrywomenposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Maybe you let your guard down or maybe it was my perception. But seriously I personally thought there is a subtle difference between atheism and agnosticism.
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  Make Moneyposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  I perceived that same slip by him too countrywomen. It happens quite often. Mark Peter the rock better pull up his socks or he is going to lose his lofty spot as the high priest of atheism around here.
  
  God bless his little heart.
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  countrywomenposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  I was joking about "guard down". But seriously even if Mark believes in "God" then it would have been FSM.
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  Mark Knowlesposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  FSM is the one true god. Everyone knows this if they open their heart to the truth. Where else could pasta have come from? No possible explanation. It must have been FSM.
  
  And she is not coming to judge anyone.
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  countrywomenposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  It's funny you bring food and God into the same equation. One of my grandfather's brother is a special "cook" in the temple. And as part of there training they try to make the best dishes(along with mantras invocation) then serve to the throngs of devotees. They make the best South Indian delicacies. Who said only us humans crave for good food when even "God"/FSM is pleased when a good dish of pasta/prasad is offered to him/her/it.
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  Andrew0208posted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Mark, I've always let you know that, you cannot be everyone and will not be the mouth piece for everyone and for no one. If you're not sure God exists, there're so many that do know including me. God is a Spirit. He is not known and measured by human senses, science, evolution, economy, and religion.
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  mohitmisraposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  I have seen god, been one with him and he is endless pure love
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  Mark Knowlesposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  You are lying Andrew. Any one who truly believed this would not act in the ways you do.
  
  Get thee behind me.
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  Andrew0208posted 14 years agoin reply to this
  
  Hahahaa! God is more real and present than the cloths you're wearing. Only fools will believe/agree to "there's no God" beautiful lies and deceits.
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  Mark Knowlesposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Keep on calling me a fool is not really helping your case. Thank you .
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  Andrew0208posted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Never called you a fool Mark. No sentiments pls. God is real and exists.
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  Mark Knowlesposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  But you know I do not believe there is a god. And you said any one who does not believe is a fool.
  
  More semantics - once again - thank you for proving there is no such thing as a god. Keep going - hopefully we will convince a few more people.
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  usmanali81posted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Mark!
  
  If there is no God then who created the universe???
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  Mark Knowlesposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  The Flying Spaghetti Monster (piece be upon him). Everybody should know this TRUTH. FSM is the one true religion - come to sweep away the political misconceptions of MUSLIMISM, CHIRISTIANISM and all the other isms.
  
  To learn the TRUTH - go to an Italian restaurant, order a plate of spaghetti a la bolognese and a bottle of Barbera D'Asti (8 years old - very expensive) and contemplate the truth. If you are worthy, he will touch you in a non-sexual way (unless you are so inclined) and you will see it is the only rational explanation for the existence of pasta. Don't worry if you cannot pay the bill - He will provide a lesson anyway. I wish you the pleasure of being touched by His Noodly Appendage.
  
  Ramen
  
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  earnestshubposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  OMG FSM
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  mohitmisraposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  There is no external god. God is you - and me. and everything around us
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  mohitmisraposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  No one can say for sure that he was not a real person.
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  mohitmisraposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  A great prophet or messenger of the light.
  He comes to share knowledge of the light or our higher or god self.
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  AEvansposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  He is my Lord and Saviour, The Son of God .
  
  Why did he ever come? He was born the Son of God and came to this earth to share with us the word of God. Some believe and some do not, however Jesus also died for all of our sins. However I am not going to argue my thoughts as Jesus certainly would not want me to do that.
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  blackbutterfly103posted 14 years agoin reply to this
  I agree with you so very much. He is my Lord and Saviour, my friend, My doctor and my husband with him by Gods side I shall not weep. You took the words out my mouth AEvans be blessed
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  mohitmisraposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  A Prophet messenger of God. Like Hindu philosophy says whenever the earth is in a mess god sends one of his prophets or messengers to correct the situation.
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  earnestshubposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  A myth from a book written by a lot of superstitious controlling men who wanted to scare the shit out of gullible and bone ignorant followers.
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  SirDentposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  This sounds like a lot of the global warming crowd to me.
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  SweetiePieposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Global warming is real and as Dorsi has pointed out it is called climate change. I just prefer this middle of the road approach where I have my believes and I can be a Christian, but others are free to have their believes. It serves for a lot less tension.
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  flread45posted 14 years agoin reply to this
  God better hurry up and send someone because this world is in a mess right now..
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  mohitmisraposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Done
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  mohamedhmmposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  the lord Jesus is a great teacher like the lord moses, and the lord Muhammad; all of them came from God to learn us the way of life.
  may be talking about the lord- lord doesn't mean God it's English word equal the the word master or MR. for respect- Jesus is special issue because many christian believe in him same as God; But Muslims who have the last message from God after 600 years from Jesus in their holy book state that the lord Jesus is just a man, and his life and death just test from God; and that's the reason Muslims believe in Jesus as prophet same like the prophet of Islam-Muhammad- and others prophets all same in respect as all of then were great teachers from God for us; but who will follow them?
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  El-Saidposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Jesus is a prophet of God, one of the Four Prophets that were sent with books. Any muslim that do not believe in Jesus as a Prophet of God is not a muslim.
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  Andrew0208posted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Quite interesting.
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  usmanali81posted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Muslims believe in Hazrat Eisa (Jesus) peace be upon him, Jesus (pbuh) was born miraculously and one the mightiest messengers of Allah. We believe in INJEEL (which is not present today) as the testament of Jesus (pbuh) which was revelead for the people of that time until Quran came unto Prophet Muhammad (pbuh).
  
  Further
  
  Holy Qur’ân: Chapter 4,Verse 171: O People of the Book! Do not go to extremes in your religion: nor say of Allah anything but the truth. Verily, Christ Jesus the son of Mary was no more than a messenger of Allah, and His Word which he bestowed upon Mary, And a Spirit proceeding from Him: so believe in Allah and his messengers. Say not "Trinity": desist: it will be better for you: For your Allah is One God: Glory be to Him: (Far Exalted is He) above having a son. To Him belongs all things in the heavens and the earth. And enough is Allah as a Disposer of affairs.
  
  The above mentioned verse of the Qur’an mentions the word TRINITY. No where in all of the Bibles you will find this word. In fact there is not a single unequivocal statement in the entire Bible where Jesus (pbuh) himself says, “I am God” or where he says, “worship me”. In fact the Bible contains statements attributed to Jesus (pbuh) in which he preached quite the contrary. Consider the following statements in the Bible, attributed to Jesus Christ (pbuh):
  
  My Father is Greater than I – John 14:28
  My Father is Greater than all – John 10:29
  … with the finger of God cast out devils … - Luke 11:20
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  sandra rinckposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  John 14:6 Jesus told him, “I am the way, the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me. “If you know Me, you also know My Father. From now on you do know Him and have seen Him.”
  
  John 17:6 I have revealed Your name to the men You gave Me from the world.
  11 1/2; 12, Holy Father protect them by Your name that You have given Me. ( So is His name Jesus or God? Does it matter. Sounds like God's true name is Jesus or Jesus' true name is God)
  
  John 9: 37-38 Jesus answered, “You have seen Him; in fact, He is the One speaking with you.” I believe, Lord!” he said, and he worshiped Him.
  
  John 10:30, I and the Father are one.
  
  25, I did tell you and you don't believe, Jesus answered them. “The works that I do in My Father's name testify about Me. But you do not believe because you are not My sheep. My sheep hear My voice, I know them, and they follow Me. I give them eternal life, and they will never perish—ever! No one will snatch them out of My hand. My Father, who has given them to Me, is greater than all. No one is able to snatch them out of the Father's hand. The Father and I are one.
  
  Who was the God of Abraham?
  
  Jesus says John 8: 54-58, If I glorify Myself, Jesus answered, My glory is nothing. My Father — you say about Him, He is our God—He is the One who glorifies Me. you've never known Him, but I know Him. If I were to say I don't know Him, I would be a liar like you. But I do know Him and I keep His word. Your father Abraham was over joyed that he would see My day; he saw it and rejoiced. The Jews replied, You aren't 50 years old yet, and You've seen Abraham? Jesus said to them, I assure you: Before Abraham was, I am.
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  sandra rinckposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  From the Qu'ran
  
  55 Behold! Allah said: "O Jesus! I will take you and raise you to Myself and clear you (of falsehoods) of those who blaspheme. I will make those who follow you superior to those who reject Faith, to the Day of Resurrection. Then shall you all return unto Me, and I will judge between you of the matters wherein you dispute.
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  usmanali81posted 14 years agoin reply to this
  You did not mentioned the chapter no.
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  usmanali81posted 14 years agoin reply to this
  John 14:6 I am the way, the truth, and the life. no man cometh unto the father but by me.
  
  Agreed,
  
  because every messenger is the way, the truth and the life in his time. The life of all the Prophets are detailed explanations of each and every verse of their testaments. Without watching, observing and following their way of life we can not even think about obeying Allah perfectly.
  
  If Muslims want to reach Allah (God) then it is obligatory to follow the actions, sayings and teachings of Prophet Muhammad (pbuh).
  
  If Jews want to understand and obey Allah perfectly then it is compulsory for them to follow Prophet Moses (pbuh).
  Now if you read the context of John 14:6 then you will come to realize the main theme of the verse which is that if Christians want to understand and follow the teachings of Allah then they must follow the complete actions, sayings and teachings of Prophet Jesus (pbuh). The verse does not mention that Jesus said: worship me.
  
  John 17:6 I have revealed Your name to the men You gave Me from the world.
  11 1/2; 12, Holy Father protect them by Your name that You have given Me. ( So is His name Jesus or God? Does it matter. Sounds like God's true name is Jesus or Jesus' true name is God)
  
  Consider if i dont like my name and i approach my parents and say, "please change your name that you have given me" does not mean that my parents have got the same same as i do or vice versa.
  
  John 9: 37-38 Jesus answered, “You have seen Him; in fact, He is the One speaking with you.” I believe, Lord!” he said, and he worshiped Him.
  
  Read the preceeding verses and you will come to know the exact theme of this verse, Jesus (pbuh) answering his disciples that you dont need to talk to God for your guidence, as i take revelation and the words are the God's words, not my own.
  
  John 10:30, I and the Father are one.
  
  You have to go to the Gospel of John, Ch. No.10, Verse No. 23, that ‘Jesus walked into the temple, in Solomon’s porch’. Verse No. 24 says, and the Jews came around him and asked him. ‘How long does thou make us doubt? - If thou art the Christ, tell us plainly’.
  Verse No.25 says, ‘I told you, but you believe me not - the works that I do in my father’s name, - they bear witness of me. Verse No.26 says that, ‘you believe not because you are not my sheep, as I said unto you’.
  The Jews, they are asking Jesus Christ (peace be upon him) that ‘Why don’t you speak plainly?’. So he tells them that…‘Yes I am the Messiah - I have told you clearly, but because you are not my sheep, you don’t believe in me.
  Verse No.27 continues…Jesus Christ (peace be upon him) continues saying that… ‘My sheep - they hear my voice, and I know them - and they follow me.
  Verse No.28, that… ‘I give them eternal life - no man can pluck them out of my hand, and they shall not perish’.
  Verse No.29 says ‘My father who giveth to me, He is greater than all - No man can pluck them out of my father’s hand. Then
  Verse No. 30 says, ‘I and my father are one’ – ‘Any person who has little bit sense can make out, ‘I and my father are one’ doesn’t mean one - as one person. It means one is purpose.
  Verse No.28 says, ‘No man can pluck them out of my hand – Jesus Christ (peace be upon him) says- ‘No man can pluck them out of my hand’.
  Verse No.29 is saying. ‘No man can pluck them out of my father’s hand’.
  Verse No.30 says ‘I and my father are one’ -In purpose. Both Jesus Christ (peace be upon him) and Almighty God - they are one in purpose. If I say that my father is an Engineer … and he is an Engineer… Alhamdulillah - Even I am an Engineer. If I say, ‘I and my father are one’ - What does it mean? It means one in purpose - As Engineering profession, my father is an Engineer - Even I am an Engineer. It doesn’t mean that ‘I and my father are one’ -In person. It means my father is an Engineer - even I am an Engineer
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  mohitmisraposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  ‘I and my father are one’ - What does it mean
  
  From the light the one ,comes the two or us , yet we are one.Its like an extension.
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  sandra rinckposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Your right, Jesus didn't ask him to worship him. When he realized that Jesus is Lord and God, he worshiped him but Jesus did not tell him to not worship him.
  
  Jesus also resides with Men. He is here now. When He comes from the sky down to us, then it is for the world to know that Jesus has then come to enact judgment on men.
  
  God speaks as "WE" in the Qu'ran. I guess you are assuming that "We" is God and Mohammad (pbuh). Either way, people who are Muslims were given different laws. Those who follow Christ were given different laws.
  
  Such things like, what we can eat and when we can pray. He gives us freedom and a personal closeness to God. From my understanding. The saying that we aren't to make partners to God is because God asked that those who believe make no distinction between Jesus and God, that we treat them as One in the Same.
  
  To make a separation between them is to assign a "partner" to God. So you right, Jesus is not God's partner, He is God. When the Qu'ran says that there is no need for God to have a son that God is above this, but yet we are supposed to trust Jesus and know Him as the way and the truth to God then it is only in the Qu'ran that rejects this.
  
  The Qu'ran says in the fore notes that there aren't any contradictions found in it but from the start there are many.
  Most of them I find in Surah 5.
  
  If you believed then you know that Jesus had made it lawful to eat whatever we want but someone came along and absolved what God thru Jesus had said was okay.
  
  Then the Qu'ran says that God doesn't wish for things to be difficult and it wouldn't be if you followed Jesus. How much sense can Surah 5 make when in all the holy books God Himself says thou shall not kill, yet this one says the complete oposite.
  
  Then Surah 6 says that it is unlawful to fight for land, but from what I understand today, that is exactly what they are fighting for... the promised land. If I am wrong, then forgive me.
  
  I don't have a problem with Mohammad (pbuh) in that he said exactly what he needed to say in order for the prophecy to be fulfilled but I do worry that some people have not considered God fully enough though the teachings of Christ to understand that there was never and is no means or justification to murder or war.
  
  However right some might feel that it is, there are no accidents in war when innocent people are hurt or killed. If you know there are children living in an area and they are killed by the weapons used to inflict harm to certain parts, then it makes it murder. No amount of forgiveness can be found with God unless those ways are changed.
  
  And because the Qu'ran says that there is no intercessor and mediator between man and God then you will not ask for forgiveness from Jesus which totally leaves you to be judged by God Himself and God is pretty upset that some rejected Faith.
  
  And I do believe that Faith is another name given to Jesus. Plus the Qu'ran says that Jesus will be witness and Judge and then later says that there is no other judge then God Himself, but you can see that they are One in the Same.
  
  Anyways, I am not trying to start an argument. If you do follow the ways of Christ and believe in God then there isn't anything to worry about.
  
  Even though the Qu'ran also absolves the traditions of our Forefather, which contradicts what it says about obeying the Prophets. Notably it contradicts Jesus Christ.
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  Make Moneyposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  This is quite the discussion you guys are having. Very interesting.
  
  I haven't read the Qu'ran but after reading the above I can't help it think that the Qu'ran is saying the same as the Bible here. If the Qu'ran also absolves the traditions of our Forefather then it's talking about the Levitical Laws or the Laws of Moses that are being absolved.
  
  From the Douay-Rheims Bible it says they are absolved in 2 Corinthians 3:11 to 18 too. Plus a couple of more spots in the New Testament.
  
  It says basically the same in the King James Bible.
  
  There were over 600 Levitical Laws. A couple that come to mind are the dietary laws and an eye for an eye.
  
  In verse 15 where it says "But even until this day, when Moses is read, the veil is upon their heart", their is meaning the religious Jews who still follow the Levitical Laws.
  
  If these laws are truly absolved in the Qu'ran for Muslims then Christianity and Islam are closer than I thought. Which I am sure is what Sandra is getting at. It's just a matter of recognizing the Divinity of Jesus Christ now.
  
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  mohitmisraposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  then Christianity and Islam are closer than I thought.- finally I am happy you are seeing the similarity
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  usmanali81posted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Yes, there are a number of similarities in Christianity and Islam, for instance
  
  1- Worship only ONE God-Allah
  2- Jesus (pbuh) is one of the mightiest messengers of Allah
  3- Muhammad (pbuh) is the last and final messenger of Allah
  4- Prayers
  5- Fasting
  6- Zakat (particular amount of charity per year)
  7- Dont have pig, pork, swine
  8- Dont drink alcohol
  9- Dont steal, rob, loot
  10- Dont do adultry
  11- Hijab for Men and Women
  12- Respect and obey Parents
  
  But the problem is most christians and muslims dont follow these guidlines.
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  mohitmisraposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  I agree they are brother religions and brother prophets. The only difference in philosophy is that Islam doesn't equate even the great prophets with god, god is in a different league.
  While in Christianity Jesus is equated with god- "me and my father are One."
  
  Here I appreciate hindu philosophy which has both of them
  on namo shiva- I bow to god and shiv ho hum- I am god.
  All is shiva or all is Allah or all is god- so everything is god including the prophets and man.
  Like the little finger saying I am the body which is truth.
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  usmanali81posted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Hindu's usually say everything is God But for muslims everything is God's. A slight difference of 's
  
  "me and my father are one" does not mean that they are one in person rather they are one in profession-the profession of delivering the message or teaching. i already explained it. Its only when christians take verses out of context the meaning can be manipulated in any way. Similarly critics of Islam also quote verses of Qur'an out of context and give them their own theme and even some muslims do the same to take out of Qur'an whatever is in their own interests which is totally WRONG.
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  mohitmisraposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Hindus say both and also believe we are like puppets in the hands of god.
  Me and my father are one actually means,
  We have come from the light-god --our father into this dimension this planet yet we are allways connected to the light and will go back to it.
  
  "Unto Allah is your return and he is able to do all things" The Holy Quran
  
  "I am thy shield and thy exceedingly great reward" Holy Bible.
  
  "When we finally come to our senses we never return to this material world, this painful playground we mistakenly call home" Holy Bhagwat Gita Hindu philosophy.
  
  We are all one and will allays be one.Its ego which makes us believe we are separate.
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  Make Moneyposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  I have seen the similarities for quite some time Mo. But with the replies since I posted this I may have been mistaken. Similarities don't make things the same, just similar. You know, we can't fit a square peg in a round hole.
  
  Maybe Sandra could post that part of the Qu'ran that says the traditions of our Forefather are absolved. Is it possible that the message was taken wrongly from the start?
  
  usmanali81 although we often hear that Islam is a religion of peace I hope you realize that it wasn't spread by peace. "Although Muhammad died in 632, his followers, led by a series of four caliphs (Arabic: khalifa, "successor") known as the Rightly Guided, continued to spread the message of Islam. Under their command, the Arab armies carried the new faith and leadership from the Arabian Peninsula to the shores of the Mediterranean and to the eastern reaches of Iran. The Arabs conquered Syria, Palestine, and Egypt from the Byzantine empire, while Iraq and Iran, the heart of the Sasanian empire, succumbed to their forces. Here in these lands, Islam fostered the development of a religious, political, and cultural commonwealth and the creation of a global empire."
  http://www.metmuseum.org/toah/hd/isla/hd_isla.htm
  
  That kind of contradicts what you previously said here usmanali81 "The above mentioned verses clearly state that if and only if the oppressors do not let you in peace then stand against them."
  
  Oh and by the way usmanali81 you are miss-quoting John 10:29. It doesn't say what you say in either the Douay-Rheims Bible or the King James Bible. Also Jesus came to earth as both God and man, so in John 14:28 He was referring to His human nature. Jesus also suffered and died on the cross in His human nature for the forgiveness of our sins. As God Jesus is equal to the Father and the Holy Spirit, one God. Also I think you need to read all of Luke 11 for you to understand what is being said in Luke 11:20.
  
  Peace
  Mike
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  sandra rinckposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  It doesn't say absolved but it does lead me to believe that it was absolved in this way and this is what it says.
  
  Surah 5
  3 Forbidden to you (for food)are: dead meat, blood, the flesh of swine, and that on which has been invoked the name of other than Allah; that which has been killed by strangling, or by a violent blow, or by headlong fall, or by being gored...
  
  17 In blasphemy indeed are those that say that Allah is Christ the son of Mary.
  
  51 Oh you who believe, take not the Jews and the Christians for your friends and protectors: They are but friends and protectors to each other. And he among you that turns to them (for friendship) is of them. Surely Allah does not guide the unjust people.
  
  52 Those in whose hearts is a disease- you see how eagerly they run about among them, saying: "we do fear lest a change of fortune bring us disaster." Ah! perhaps Allah will give (you) victory, or a decision according to His Will. Then will they repent of the thoughts which they secretly harbored int heir hearts.
  
  78 Curses were pronounced on those among the Children of Israel who rejected Faith, by the tongue of David and of Jesus the son of Mary, because they disobeyed and persisted in excesses.
  
  87 O you who believe, make not unlawful the good things which Allah ahs made lawful for you, but commit no excess; for Allah loves not those given to excesses.
  
  88 Eat of the things which Allah has provided for you, lawful and good; but fear Allah in who you believe.
  
  Surah 3
  
  48 And Allah will teach him the Book and Wisdom, the Torah and the Gospel,
  49 and (appoint him) an Apostle to the Children of Israel (with this message); I have come to you, with a Sign from your Lord, in that I make for you out of clay, the figure of a bird, and breathe into it, and it becomes a bird by Allah's leave; And I heal those born blind, and the lepers, and I quicken the dead by Allah's leave; and I declare to you what you eat, and what you store in your houses. Surely therein is a Sign for you if you did believe.
  
  -so God through Christ sent His message of what was made lawful and Jesus made lawful for us to eat what was before forbidden to eat.
  
  But later, it says that Allah has made forbidden those above that were passed down from Moses that Jesus absolved and made lawful.
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  mohitmisraposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Mike I will not lie to you.I have merged with the christian concept of Holy Spirit which I understand is named Allah by the Mulsims.
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  usmanali81posted 14 years agoin reply to this
  The definition of Allah or the only ONE God is as follows.
  Qur'an / Chapter 112 - The Unity, Sincerity, Oneness Of Allah
  1. Say: He is Allah, the One and Only;
  2. Allah, the Eternal, Absolute;
  3. He begetteth not, nor is He begotten;
  4. And there is none like unto Him.
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  aka-djposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Herein lies the dilemma.
  The Bible speaks of God (Yaweh) as the One and only True God.
  He is not called Allah once in the OT or NT.
  He is not begotten, but He did beget (The Son) Jesus. (Who, BTW is more than a prophet). We know Him as God(s) Son.
  If there is none like unto him (Allah), the same is said of the God I'm referring to, which one is THE True God.
  I assure you, they CANNOT be one and the same!
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  Mark Knowlesposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  So - is your god a different god to his god?
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  mohitmisraposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  They are the same I assure you all.
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  sandra rinckposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  The word allah means the same as god. Like umm... Abba means Daddy or Father or Papa or any other way you can say dad in any language.
  
  Yaweh means "I Am"
  Jehovah means "causes to become"
  Elohim means "One God of Israel" or something to that effect.
  Emanuel means "God with us"
  Jesus means "Lord is Salvation" and many other definitions but also translated to Joshuah which means in the OT, "Christ" and
  Christ means "messiah"
  Messiah means " anointed"
  
  You could all the names together by definition and it say:
  I Am, One God of Israel, causes to become God with Us, Lord is Salvation, Christ the Messiah the anointed.
  
  So you can put all the many meanings of the names together and get a pretty complete sentence about what God means and what Jesus is. I am sure I forgot a few.
  
  Which prophet is called True? Which prophet made from clay the image of a bird and breathed into on God's leave and made it alive?
  
  Which prophet did God specifically say to believe and follow?
  Which prophet was raised up to God Himself and taught the Torah, Gospel and Wisdom by God Himself?
  
  Which God said, Thou shall not kill?
  Which prophet said, thou shall not kill?
  
  Did Allah not say that those who follow Christ are indeed closest to Allah?
  
  Which prophet is still alive?
  Which prophet is dead and buried in the Arabian dessert?
  Which prophet can give the command and make what is dead alive?
  Which prophet gives eternal life, can raise the dead, cure the ill and create out of clay images of birds and command them by the word of God?
  
  What is the original sin? Separation from God. Jesus is sinless.
  
  The Koran says that making partners to God is a sin. If you separate Jesus from God as One as Jesus was instructed to say from the words of God Himself. To separate them would be to make them partners and they are not partners, they are One in the Same.
  
  I could go on but I just leave it at that for now.
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  usmanali81posted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Dear Sandra,
  
  Yes, Jesus (peace be upon him) is alive and was not killed, so what ???
  
  It does mean that Jesus (pbuh) claimed divinity. Do you know, when Jesus (pbuh) will return, these popes, priests and missionaries will approach him and say
  
  Bible - " Oh master, oh master, did'nt we do miracles on your name ..... Jesus (pbuh) replies ..... oh men of inequity depart from here, i do not even know you". This will be the statement of Jesus (pbuh) to christians and that's the main reason of his return to earth, to prove christians that he never claimed divinity or trinity and he was not dead. Look at the irony, the word TRINITY which these popes cry about does not exists in the complete range and flavours of Bibles, the old and the new testaments alike.
  
  Regarding the miracles, different prophets had different miracles. These miracles are not for giving grades like A+, A, B, C ..... to the prophets rather these were to just show the people as signs that i am the messenger from Allah because people demanded miracles from prophets when ever any one of them claimed to be the prophet of Allah.
  
  Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) had got several miracles like splitting the moon in two, shining hand etc and the biggest of all miracles is the Holy Qur'an. Similarly, other prophets like Mosses (pbuh) were also given some miracles.
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  mohitmisraposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  The prophets are all equal and come to reiterate the truth .Each comes at a particular time and addresses humanity in the language of that time.
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  usmanali81posted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Dear aka,
  
  One God = the only one God who's information can be found in any of the religious scriptures of the world provided that the names are different in some books BUT in ISLAM the particular word used for the one and only God is ALLAH. It is exactly the same word that the Jews, in Hebrew, use for God which is ELOH, sounds like ALLAH. Now, in Christianity, please refer to the following
  
  Bible – Eli, Eli, Lama Sabachthani
  Mark 15:34
  Mathew 27:46
  
  The above mentioned quote from Bible is in Hebrew in which the word for God is ELI (pronounced Ellai), sounds like ALLAH, strange haa.
  
  So, please fix yourselves regarding the ultimate name of God which is ALLAH. And these Popes, priests know about these kind of things very well but will not share with ordinary christians because .................... any way, leave it.
  
  Now, come to your statement of Jesus (peace be upon him) to be the begotten son of Allah. It's totally WROONNGGGG because Jesus (pbuh) did'nt claimed divinity. Even Bible does not claim Jesus (pbuh) to be God. I think, you have read my discussion with Sandra in this regard.
  
  Also please read the following hub for more thrilling facts about Jesus (pbuh).
  
  http://hubpages.com/hub/JESUS-CHRIST-PBUH
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  aka-djposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  This is true. He was not the begotten of Allah. He is the Son of God, (different to the one you refer to.)
  Wrong! I don't know what part of the Bible you know/read, but that was the reason He was handed over to the Romans by the Jews of His day. They considered Jesus claim of "one-ness" with the Father, as blasphemy, punishable by death. The problem was, they had no authority to carry out such punishment (whilst they were under Roman rule).
  To BE a christian, one has to believe that Jesus IS the Son of God, and confess the same. AND believe that God (not Allah) raised Him from the dead.
  Anything else is religion!
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  usmanali81posted 14 years agoin reply to this
  believes which are not mentioned in Bibles
  you have to believe what the God and Jesus(pbuh) wants you to believe. It's not that you believe the Paul is saying right.
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  usmanali81posted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Sorry, not agreed, these are your words, the bible does not say what you say. It's totally opposit. I am going to write comprehensive article on this topic. Then the things will become crystal clear to you
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  usmanali81posted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Dear, i respect your thoughts but the problem is you are very much confused about Islam as well as Christianity. I just pointed out the following verses from Bible which testifies that only Allah-God must be worshiped and the whole christian world cry about TRINITY and the irony is that this word is not in any of the Bibles rather its there in Qur'an.
  
  My Father is Greater than I – John 14:28
  My Father is Greater than all – John 10:29
  … with the finger of God cast out devils … - Luke 11:20
  
  My point is that, these popes and priests hide the above kind of verses from Bible. When you visit a church on any occassion, they dont read out these type of verses which clearly mentiones without ambiguity that only One God - Allah is to be worshiped rather they quoute and promote those verses which you mentioned with their own interpretations (not by context of the verse). The details which i gave you about the following verses are totally in context by which it becomes clear that even these verses dont justify the concept of TRINITY
  
  John 10:30, I and my Father are one.
  John 14:6 Jesus told him, “I am the way, the truth, and the life.
  
  Now the choice is yours, whether you want to follow the pope or the context of the verses of Bibles.
  
  Regarding fight and war in Qur'an, those who get paid for maligning Islam quote different verses out of context e.g.
  191. And slay them wherever ye catch them, and turn them out from where they have Turned you out; for tumult and oppression are worse than slaughter; but fight them not at the Sacred Mosque, unless they (first) fight you there; but if they fight you, slay them. Such is the reward of those who suppress faith.
  
  Mentioning a verse out of context is the way people use to malign Islam. Read verses 190, 191 alongwith 189,192,193. And if some one want more details then consult the Hadith (Traditions of Prophet Muhammad (pbuh).
  Qur'an-Chapter 2-The Cow, V 189-193
  189. They ask thee concerning the New Moons. Say: They are but signs to mark fixed periods of time in (the affairs of) men, and for Pilgrimage. It is no virtue if ye enter your houses from the back: It is virtue if ye fear Allah. Enter houses through the proper doors: And fear Allah. That ye may prosper.
  190. Fight in the cause of Allah those who fight you, but do not transgress limits; for Allah loveth not transgressors.
  191. And slay them wherever ye catch them, and turn them out from where they have Turned you out; for tumult and oppression are worse than slaughter; but fight them not at the Sacred Mosque, unless they (first) fight you there; but if they fight you, slay them. Such is the reward of those who suppress faith.
  192. But if they cease, Allah is Oft-forgiving, Most Merciful.
  193. And fight them on until there is no more Tumult or oppression, and there prevail justice and faith in Allah. but if they cease, Let there be no hostility except to those who practise oppression.
  
  The above mentioned verses clearly state that if and only if the oppressors do not let you in peace then stand against them. Actually, what really happend was that Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) along with his few believing people were forcefully drove out of their land called Makkah, their properties were looted, believing mothers faced grave humiliation and murdered in front of their loving children and the list of oppression goes on and on, the reason was only that they started believing in only One God-Allah and his final messenger Muhammd (pbuh).
  
  So, after driving them out, the muslims migrated to Madina and when they returned for Haj(pilgrimage) without any weapons, the infidals of Makkah did'nt let them do so and a treaty called Hudaibia Treaty was agreed upon for a period of 10 years by both parties and muslims returned to Madina without pilgrimage and as per treaty their will be no fight between them for these 10 years.
  
  Now, during this period when infidals saw the increasing number of muslims they broke the treaty by looting and killing a small group of muslims peacfully resting in a certain place.
  
  Resultantly, these verses came upon to Prophet Muhammad (pbuh). Verse 192 and 193 clearly mentiones that if they leave their oppression then they will not be harmed and this fight is just for the sake of justice-its not that Allah-God likes their bloodshed. In these verses Allah is just acting as an Army General, He is just boosting the moral of muslims to fight against tyrany and injustice and just dont fear these oppressors.
  
  http://hubpages.com/forum/topic/13944
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  sandra rinckposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Your right, the Bible doesn't say Trinity. It says to baptize in the Father, Son, and Holy Ghost.
  
  You would agree that there is a Holy Spirit (Ghost) that was in Christ, yes? The Qu'ran says Jesus was strengthend with the Holy Spirit and was taught by Allah, and Allah did raise Jesus up to Himself.
  - this is the Holy Spirit that precedes from God. The Qu'ran says that Jesus sent to us the clear signs (btw, this is from a gospel left out of the Holy Bible as well if anyone is interested in checking it out.) and made out of clay the figure of a bird and He breathed into it and it went by Allah's leave.
  
  Now, I do understand that there is only One God. This has never been a doubt in my mind. The topic of dispute is to whether or not Jesus is God or not.
  
  The Qu'ran says, 45 Behold! the angels said: O Mary, Allah gives you glad tidings of a Word from Him; his name will be Christ Jesus, the son of Mary, held in honour in this world and the Hereafter and (the company of) those nearest to Allah;
  
  46 He shall speak to people in infancy and in maturity. And he shall be (of the company) of the rightous.
  47 She said; "O my Lord, How shall I have a son when no man has touched me? He said: even so; ALlah create what He wills: when He has decreed a matter, He but says to it, 'Be', and it is.
  48 And Allah will teach him the Book and Wisdom, the Torah and the Gospel,
  49 and (appoint him) an Apostle to the Children of Israel (with this message); I have come to you, with a Sign from your Lord, in that I make for you out of clay, the figure of a bird, and breathe into it, and it becomes a bird by Allah's leave; ANd I heal those born blind, and the lepers, and I quicken the dead by Allah's leave; and I declare to you what you eat, and what you store in your houses. Surely therein is a Sign for you if you did believe.
  
  55 Behold! Allah said: O Jesus! I will take you and raise you to Myself and clear you (of all falsehoods) of those who blaspheme. I will make those who follow you superior to those who reject Faith, to the Day of Resurrection. Then shall you all return unto Me, and I will judge between you of the matters wherein you dispute.
  
  59 The similitude of Jesus before Allah is as that of Adam; He created him from dust, then said to him: "Be". And he was.
  60 The Truth (comes) from Allah alone; so be not of those who doubt.
  
  Now it also says that there will be a group of us Christians, Jews, Muslims alike who will come together and says, come sons and daughters, mothers, fathers, etc.. and we will be together under God. There will be peace with us.
  
  And this I do believe. I do understand the confusion about Jesus and God however, because Jesus is said to be the Truth (these words being proper nouns and to indicated they are names in the English language at least) Then Faith and Truth are names given to Jesus, as it was said.
  
  Jesus is the way and the Truth to God. So I believe in God, I do believe Jesus is the son (not like God had made relations with Mary) but begotten means "taught".
  
  And the great mystery of the Unseen, which the Qu'ran says will be revealed to those who believe, is that the Holy Spirit is the Unseen presence of God which precedes from God, through the mouth of Jesus.
  
  So though it is often confusing, some can be understood with water.
  
  Water can be a gas, liquid and a solid. They are still the same, but Allah does manifest in many ways if you see the Signs they are from God and follow that. When in dispute, I follow the Words through the mouth of Christ that was given direct from God.
  
  And the Qu'ran says, those who do follow Jesus will have non fear or grief in their hearts because there is no need, we have Faith.
  
  I believe (1) John 4:1-12
  
  Dear friends, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits to determine if they are from God, because many false prophets have gone out into the world. This is how you know the Spirit of God: Every spirit who confesses that Jesus Chris has come in the flesh is from God. But every every spirit who does not confess Jesus in not from God. This is the spirit of the antichrist; you have heard that his is coming, and he is already in the world now.
  You are from God, little children, and you have conquered them, because the One who is in you is greater then the one who is in the world. They are from the world. Therefore what they say is from the world, and the world listens to them. We are from God. Anyone who knows God listens to us; anyone who is not from God does not listen to us. From this we know the Spirit of truth and the spirit of deception.
  7 Dear friends, let us love one another, because love is from God, and everyone who loves has been born of God and knows God. The one who does not love does not know God, because God is love. God's love was revealed among us in this way: God sen His One and Only son into the world so that we might live through Him. Love consist in this: not that we loved God, but He loved us and sent His Son to be the propitiation of our sins.
  
  18 There is no fear in love; instead, prefect love drives out fear, because fear involves punishment. So the one who fears has not reached perfection in love. We love because He loved us first.
  
  Anyways, if you don't believe that Jesus is the son of God, or God Himself or more than just a prophet or Apostle, or that the words from His mouth were spoken directly from God, then if you aren't listening to Jesus then you most certainly would be in fear of God.
  
  Me, I am not fearful of God, why should I be fearful of the One who does love me/us. I might be a disappointment to Him but He is my Confidence (Faith) and I have Faith, that He will never abandon me because He loves me and I love Him.
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  Make Moneyposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Your last post is truly in the Spirit of Peace Sandra. I especially like this.
  
  It reminds me of Malachias 4:5-6
  
  Malachias is Malachi in the King James Bible. Because it is in the Old Testament (the Hebrew Bible) I can't help think that there would be a similar verse in the Qu'ran.
  
  I truly believe that before the end of this era the people of the book, Jews, Muslims and Christians will come together as One Body in Christ.
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  usmanali81posted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Sandra!
  
  I do agree matter can be in three states - Solid, Liquid and Gas. But you should realize that if water is present in 3 states… solid, liquid, gas - as ice, water, and vapour, in all the three states - the constituents, the component of water is the same... H2O. Even if its ice, the constituent and component is H2O - Even when it is water it is H2O - Even when it is vapour it is H2O - Even when it is ice… even when it is gas or liquid, it is H2O - That’s very important. Now lets analyze the example you gave of ‘trinity’ - Father, son and holy ghost. In 3 forms if you say… for the sake of argument, I agree - but are the constituents of all these three things, - father, son, that is Jesus Christ (peace be upon him) and holy ghost, the same? We know very well that human beings have got flesh and bones - A spirit and God Almighty have got no flesh and bones. Human beings require to eat -God Almighty does not require to eat. And the same message Jesus Christ (peace be upon him) gave - Its mentioned in the Gospel of Luke Ch. No.24, V.No.39 to 43. That, ‘Behold my hands and feet - Its I myself. Handle me and see - that a spirit has got no flesh and bones as you see me have. And he gave his hands and feet - And they were overjoyed. To prove what? that he was not a spirit - he was not God Almighty. And the verse continues ‘Do you have meat to eat’ and the next verse says that he ate broiled fish and honey comb. To prove what? - that he was God? To prove that he was not God! Jesus Christ (peace be upon him) said, ‘A spirit has no flesh and bones, as I have proving that he was not a spirit - he was not Almighty God.
  
  DONT GO TO EXTREMES
  
  The rank hatred of the Jews which lead them to slander Jesus and his mother is bad, and the over infatuation of the Christians for Christ is also bad. Muhummed (pbuh) the Messenger of God condemned both these extremes, and elevated Jesus (pbuh) to his true status, as the Messiah, a great prophet and reformer. Love him, respect him, revere him, follow him; but do not worship him! For worship is due to God alone, the Father in heaven: ALLAH!'
  This is true glorification — for,
  "He shall glorify me!" John 16:14
  Historically, morally and prophetically, Muhummed (pbuh) the last and Final Messenger of God, "The Spirit of Truth," is the only one to guide mankind into all truth. He is pre-eminently the Natural Successor to Christ.
  
  O People of the Book! Do not go to extremes in your religion: nor say of Allah anything but the truth.
  Verily, Christ1 Jesus the son of Mary was no more than a messenger of Allah, and His Word which he bestowed upon Mary, And a Spirit proceeding from Him: so believe in Allah and his messengers.
  Say not "Trinity": desist: it will be better for you: For your Allah is One God: Glory be to Him: (Far Exalted is He) above having a son. To Him belongs all things in the heavens and the earth. And enough is Allah as a Disposer of affairs. (SURA NISAA) Holy Qur’ân 4:171
  
  The above mentioned verse of the Qur’an mentions the word TRINITY. No where in all of the Bibles you will find this word . In fact there is not a single unequivocal statement in the entire Bible where Jesus (pbuh) himself says, “I am God” or where he says, “worship me”.
  
  Even now if you dont agree with the myth of TRINITY exposed then
  read further. If you go ahead in the Gospel of John, Ch. No.17, Verse No.21, it says that, Jesus Christ (peace be upon him) said that… ‘Ye all of them are one - My father in me, and I in thee, we all are one’. ‘Does it mean that God Almighty, is in Jesus Christ… and Jesus Christ is in all his 12 disciples. So there will be 14 gods - Jesus Christ, God Almighty, and 12 disciples. The same ‘ONE’ is used there, and here. If you go to the source, the same word is used - If you go to the Greek… the same word is used - So does it mean you have 14 gods? And among those disiples, Judas was a traitor -. Even he is God? Thomas doubted Jesus Christ (peace be upon him ) - is he God? - ‘Peter’ - Jesus Christ says … ‘is satanic?’- Is he also God? No, - all of them, God Almighty - Jesus Christ and the Apostles, are one in purpose - they are same.
  
  At last, the quotations which you quoted from Qur'an for Jesus (pbuh) were again out of context. Actually, Allah is telling the story of Jesus (pbuh) and He is mentioning Jesus (pbuh) as the way and truth for the people of that time - the children of Israel.
  
  So please, its a humble request, not to quote verses from Qur'an and even Bible out of context as the popes and missionaries do.
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  Joelle Burnetteposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Whomever he was, I just wish people would remember he was Jewish.
  Oh, and...Jesus was the guy about whom the Catholic kids in the Bronx would remind the Jewish kids every Easter. Not so long ago (and sometimes still), these groups of "religious" youths achieved their pious intentions by crossing over the big boulevard from their predominantly Catholic neighborhood into the predominantly Jewish neighborhood to search out lone Jewish kids to beat the crap out of. They justified their cruelty based on lies they'd been taught in catechism class.
  
  Is that supposed to be some sort of tough love? Is that truly what Jesus intended in his name? Well, maybe...crusaders, inquisitors, the list goes on. You know the saying, "It's better than getting stuck in the eye (or ass) with a red hot poker." Where do you think that originated? You guessed it...that was one of the ol' time methods of the inquisition to convince someone to join their religious gang.
  
  Waterboarding? Government torturers got nothin' on the atrocities carried out by men in the name of Jesus.
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  engagetoraposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  ALL THEE ABOVE
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  DRG Da Real Grincposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  To me Jesus Christ is a fictional character that strongly depicts the attributes of Greek and Mayan beliefs. His story is like many others before him and ultimately he is just another version of some icon before his time.
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  jaruesinkposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  I believe the Bible and in Jesus and God, but I try not to get too much into the details such as evolution vs. creationism. Christianity is more about a lifestyle, not just a religion. If you believe if God, you'll go to Heaven. If you reject him or his son, then you will go to hell. That is simply what I believe. I know there are a lot of hypocrites out there and people who give Christianity a bad name, but as a whole the concept of Christianity is really bettering yourself. For example, listening to Christian music is more positive than listening to hard core rap, heavy metal, or other stuff like that. It will put you in a better mood. That isn't my opinion that is a fact. Another reason to believe in God is "A Bet for God". This "bet" states that you will lose nothing by believing in God and being wrong, but you lose everything if you don't believe in God and you are wrong.
  
  if you're a believer (or even if you're not and you're looking for some positive music) check out my blog
  http://hubpages.com/hub/Top-Christian-Songs
  http://topchristiansongs.blogspot.com
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  Mark Knowlesposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Andrew - is this the crap you were talking about. A bet for god
  
  A true believer right there............
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  Sufidreamerposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Sorry, but I must disagree.
  
  Currently listening to some Swedish thrash metal, and I am feeling good.
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  Mark Knowlesposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  I am a Pink Floyd man myself...
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  \Brenda Scullyposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  I am surprised, we have something in common, what other do you like....
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  Sensual Girlposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Jesus Christ is a belief.. a concept.. a wish.. reality.. a fantasy.. He is the sky.. the sea.. the smallest one celled creature living in the depths of the ocean.. he is a girl.. he is a boy.. he is a rock.. he is a star.. he is the beginning and he is the end.. He is Ying, without him there is no Yang. He is your excuse.. He is your reason.. He takes blame.. fault..he gives great joy... he is the defintion of blind faith and faithlessness when times are sad. He is everything YOU need him to be when you need him to be it. He is everything that is wrong..and he is everything that is right.
  
  He has been the reason for great wars.. and even greater love. He answers questions, listens to prayers.. He listens to YOU when no one else does. He is a legend.. he is a man, a prophet, an empath.....He never leaves you no matter how much blame you place upon him and he steps back when you need to be on your own. He is a foundation for all who would have faith that he can hold them up when they are falling.
  
  He came into this world ... he chose his path.. Just as you choose yours this day..... Choose wisely.
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  usmanali81posted 14 years agoin reply to this
  You said Jesus (peace be upon him) takes blame, why ???
  If i am doing something wrong then why should the blame be put on Jesus (pbuh)???
  
  Allah is not unjust, the blame is and will be on those who do the blemish deeds.
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Lady Guinevereposted 14 years ago
He is Unconditional love and the teacher of such. He is my best friend because he is always here when I need him--and also when I don't. The Jesus that I know is nothing like the Jeus that is in the Bible.
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Kid_Aposted 14 years ago
Jesus Christ? Isn't that the bloke who drives a Yamaha?!
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Shalini Kagalposted 14 years ago
My all - only I like to commune with Him without the trappings of the clergy
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Make Moneyposted 14 years ago
Whether Christians follow the traditions of the Church (2 Thessalonians 2:14-15) or the Bible alone (sola scriptorum) we are in agreement that Jesus Christ is the second person of the Holy Trinity. In John 8:58 Jesus calls Himself the great I Am. Jesus Christ is my Lord and Savior.
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  mohitmisraposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  He will not save you if you mock his brother prophets and religions.
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  earnestshubposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  I saved myself from this sort of rubbish when my mind accidentally opened.
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  mohitmisraposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Needs to open up ,fanaticism is not the way Jesus or any master taught humanity.
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  earnestshubposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  When was the last time you read something other than what you are comfortable believing?
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  mohitmisraposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Love all spiritual books doesn't make a difference who wrote them or what religion he belonged to-the truth is the truth no matter the source.
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  mohitmisraposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  The essence is the same in all.
  
  On this forum I read a lot of non sense .Its obvious some do not understand God and his Prophets.MY prophet and MY religion is the only correct and right path attitude- has and is just leading to ugly wars.
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  earnestshubposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  I beg to differ having read many religious books containing the same psychotic god that gets all shitty if not worshiped. I believe it is a lot of childish rot.
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  mohitmisraposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Its childish if you don't comprehend otherwise they are very deep truths which take a lot of meditation and contemplation to understand. Most will not.
  Do understand god is not something different from You,its called the cosmic joke- laughing Buddha.
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  Julahaposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  It is curious that you bring Buddha in here, for Buddhism is one religion -- Jainism is another -- that does not talk about God at all.
  
  And I thought this discussion was about Jesus Christ. It appears it has changed tracks and gone into discussing God.
  
  Or is it because God and Jesus Christ are being taken to be one and the same thing?
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  mohitmisraposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  All religions including Buddhism and Jainism talk about God.The philosophy is based on finding god or enlightenment what the founder Buddha and Mahavira achieved.
  Jesus- Buddha same thing- prophets-enlightened ones-knower of god-the light.
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  Make Moneyposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Sorry mohitmisra, your idea that all religions are equal is an oxymoron. It can't work, there are too many contradictions between different religions. But I do not mock other religions. I have respect for people of different religions and expect the same in return.
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  mohitmisraposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Make Money there is only one God. The prophet will belong to all of humanity and not to any one sect or religion.Yes he wants to and will come to save all humans who are his brothers and sisters .You earlier said Jesus was the only one who said he is God which was a ridiculous statement to make.Hindu philosophy or masters have been saying this for thousands of years before Jesus. All the prophets are equal and so are all religions-the essence is identical in all-ONE.
  Get enlightened then you will see the oneness in all.
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  Julahaposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Now I think this kind of sums up most religions!
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SweetiePieposted 14 years ago
Everyone should believe what they want to believe, but perhaps stop calling others closed minded. Everyone on this earth is closed minded about one thing or another. I really do not understand the religion forum because there is so much back and forth here, but I think some get a kick out of the friction it creates.
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marcofratelliposted 14 years ago
I believe in the same way "AEvans" & "Make Money" do. And agree with SweetiePie's comments.
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imadorkposted 14 years ago
He's some Mexican that mows my lawn on the weekend.
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Andrew0208posted 14 years ago
He is the King of Kings, Lord of Lords, and the Lord of Hosts.

No wonder His fame is unending! He is a Spirit.
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  mohitmisraposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  http://aaiil.org/text/articles/others/allahlight.shtml
  
  The Holy Quran tells us that Allah is the light of the heavens and the earth and that He guides to His light whom He pleases.
  
  http://www.adishakti.org/his_light_within.htm
  The Light Of God Almighty Within
  "According to Buddhism, all beings are imbued with a spark of inner divine light.... The Jewish mystics use similar words when they speak of the inner spark or the spark of God. The Koran, referring to man, talks about the little candle flame burning in a niche in the wall of God's temple. Almost inevitably a spiritual search becomes a search for divine or sacred light. By cultivating our inner core, we search for this light in ourselves as well as the divine." - Lama Surya Das
  
  THE LIGHT OF GOD ALMIGHTY WITHIN
  HIS LIGHT WITHIN - BUDDHISM
  HIS LIGHT WITHIN - HINDUISM
  HIS LIGHT WITHIN - SIKHISM
  HIS LIGHT WITHIN - CHRISTIANITY
  HIS LIGHT WITHIN - JUDASIM
  HIS LIGHT WITHIN - ISLAM
  
  Whoever is interested in the truth can go to this site and read the one light in all religions.
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David Bowmanposted 14 years ago
Basically, as the story goes, god sent himself on a suicide mission to earth to die as a sacrifice to himself in order to convince himself to change how he dealt with humanity so that they wouldn't have to continue slaughtering animals and burning their carcases on alters because, in the beginning, a man that was made from dirt, and a woman that was made from the mans rib, were decieved by a talking snake into eating a magical piece of forbidden fruit that caused them to realize that they were in their birthday suits. This angered god, so he cursed them both, the woman with great pain during childbirth, and the man with the burden of harsh labor in order to scratch a living, and every generation after that would carry this curse. The only way to atone for this fruit eating transgression is the shedding of blood because, after all, their can be no remission of sin without the shedding of blood; right? Jesus served the capacity of being the final sacrifice which would absolve us all of this "original sin"; but . . . the only way for this atonement to count is for the individual to believe that this man, was born of a virgin, walked on water, turned water into wine, fed five thousand people with five loaves of bread and two fish, healed blind, sick and lame people, and most importantly of all, that he rose from the dead after his spirit retured to his body from being in a place called hell (which is in the "belly of the earth") for three days.

Some people believe that all of the above was just a bronze age myth or a legend based around a possibly real individual that was created by zealous men with an agenda; but, thats just silly.
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  earnestshubposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Yep. Just silly enough to be an accurate translation of the story in my view.
  The human condition has remained unchanged in some ways we are so backward and afraid as a species that religion will die a slow death, and cause mankind to be retarded by it's bullshit for centuries to come.
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Junksterposted 14 years ago
Jesus is a figment of someone's imagination, like all religious mumbo jumbo, although it's a pretty good story to tell people to live a good and nice life.

It's just a shame that there are so many "god-less" people who don't try to live a good life, there's your reaosn for no god right there: Murderers and rapists.
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  Julahaposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Jesus may have really walked the Earth. His story is not all that improbable.
  
  There have been many like him before and they keep coming.
  
  You have Buddha and Mahavir (the founders of Buddhism and Jainism) before him, Prophet Mohammad a little after him, and in our own times people like Mahatma Gandhi, Martin Luther King, Nelson Mandela, etc.
  
  But the mumbo-jumbo that has accumulated around Jesus and which people call Christianity has really nothing to do with Jesus; it is just empire-building stuff, that has certain usefulness for certain people. That's all.
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  mohitmisraposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Nice.
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David Bowmanposted 14 years ago
I agree Junkster, Jesus is a figment of someone's imagination; but, on your second point, "god-less" people are no less moral than "godly" people, statistically speaking. If godly people claim that the reason why they don't murder, rape and steal is because of god, then they are sad individuals indeed. It is just part of human nature to be kind to each other; you know, the social contract. And yes, I do think this can be explained by natural selection. You will notice that in the animal kingdom, members of the same species will not indiscriminately kill each other for no good reason. You will notice that they cooperate with one another to ensure the survival of the group. There are always bad apples though.

Bottom line, there are good Christians and bad Christians, and there are good non-believers and bad non-believers. Even if it were true that non-believers as a whole were more immoral than believers, this would not prove the existence of a god or the validity of a religion.
Here is an excellent video on this subject: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=94f2h-5TvbM
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Julahaposted 14 years ago
I hope you meant "God helpS those who help themselves".

Otherwise we will have just zombies inhabiting this planet who look up to God to help them out with every little thing.
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Andrew0208posted 14 years ago
Someone rightly related Him as Love. He intercepted a religious move to cause a murder by a gross number of religious men who play by the laws and keep them not in their privacy. They caught a woman right in the very act of adultery and preferred her stoned to dead. What an amazing true sense of judgement centered on love by Jesus as He asked for anyone who is free of the same offence to cast his stone on her. The Lord of Hosts saw their very hearts and deeds. Wait a minute, where was the man who had sex with her? Amazingly none could cast a stone on her and they all walked away in shame. What a funny world of religious hypocrites. No wonder he was against religion and it's associated politics at several times displayed by these folks whose hearts are far from God, Whom they tend to know and worship. I love Jesus.
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  earnestshubposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Good for you!
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  Andrew0208posted 14 years agoin reply to this
  
  Who is He to you?
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  earnestshubposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  A character in a fable passed on by word of mouth by semi-literate and very sexist men, in a book written by fearful bullied and controlled ignorant men who feared an invisible entity, because they did not recognize it as their own neurosis.The then told outrageous lies to subjugate women and put them down where they remain till this day if they follow the same sort of hogwash. Clear enough?
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  Andrew0208posted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Clear enough to have so many doubting Thomas across the globe on the realities of the Scriptures and the power therein. Such an unending set of people will definitely deny the realities of this our discussions today if presented to them in the next 200 years if the earth remains, just because they didn't witness or participated live here in our days.
  Will their assumptions make the fact unreal, fable, and funny? Emphatically No!
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GeneriqueMediaposted 14 years ago
To me, Jeshua bin Joseph was a remarkable human being who was way ahead of his time and did his best to spread love and peace around his environment.

G|M
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waynetposted 14 years ago
Jesus is a bearded bloke with long hair and just looked like a tramp of his time, but since he is the easter egg master we shall forgive his scruffyness!!
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Dame Scribeposted 14 years ago
Uhmmm.... not sure what to say since I was once told...a old guy pointed to the church n said, 'thats no place for the likes of you' .. then few years later...speaking with my father about it and he (my dad) said to me... 'greet others with a smile because the Creator walks amongst us'....so...I get mixed up here n there but prefer my fathers wise words
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Make Moneyposted 14 years ago
Your father was a wise man Dame Scribe.

Jesus Christ is the Lord of Hosts.

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Dame Scribeposted 14 years ago
Thanks MM I passed along his words to my own children.
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  Andrew0208posted 14 years agoin reply to this
  They words are godly indeed. Happy hubbing.
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Make Moneyposted 14 years ago
I've never heard it said that way before Dame. It's cool.

'greet others with a smile because the Creator walks amongst us'
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Dame Scribeposted 14 years ago
I don't remember the whole conversation but those words stuck so ... I walk and smile to others and always greet them as a friend cuz that person might be "Him".
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Rockwell Fitnessposted 14 years ago
Jesus Christ is my savior, my friend, my teacher, my comforter, my eternal salvation, my freedom, my strength, my role model, my hope, my leader, my goals, my heart, my hero, and my life.

I think that about sums it up.
8-19-03
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mohamedhmmposted 14 years ago
Jesus is A great man and a great prophet; same like others prophets; all of them have same message from God-the father-; And to worship one God and doing good deeds.
Amen
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Direxmdposted 14 years ago
He was a Jewish prophet, who apparently has a different meaning, astrological sign, and middle name to every single person I talk to.

Probably a prophet--though he probably is a humanistic symbolism for someone's revelation that they experienced through their own mammalian brain. Enlightened? I don't know, he probably maybe kind of was or wasn't. I don't really care--the only person that can help me... is me.

I hold all responsibility for what goes on in my life, and no one else shall take the blame and/or fault for what I do. The only miracles, revelations or epiphanies I experience are through my own organic brain.

I mean, do I really think God has time for a petty human like me? Surely not. I'm an ant, and nothing more. Yet, for some reason, I am proud to be a small organism in the lenses of space and time.
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\Brenda Scullyposted 14 years ago
To me simply put, Jesus is God's son. He was sent to earth to show what can and I believe will be done on a larger scale in the future....
I admire his quality of humility, and try to copy it in my every day life, he of course was perfect, so we can not attain to his standards, but we can try....
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imadorkposted 14 years ago
Jesus was a philosopher and teacher. Attendees of the First Council of Nicaea decided on the divinity of Christ. Without a divine Christ, Christianity would cease to exist.
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  Andrew0208posted 14 years agoin reply to this
  His teachings have stood the test of time, considering also all the miracles he did are real mind blowing. Christ Jesus is the word of God that became flesh, The Word is God and God is His Word. They awesome miracles beyond the comprehension of men made his listeners and followers believed him more than just a mere man or a prophet. All these miracles happened and were recorded, now a suppossed history. Jesus the same yesterday, today, and forever (Hebrews 13:8)
  
  John 6:26
  Jesus answered them and said, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Ye seek me, not because ye saw the miracles, but because ye did eat of the loaves, and were filled.
  
  He marvelled their various understanding, even the unbelievers then were amazed and believed him thereafter.
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sandra rinckposted 14 years ago
I got this really good sermon yesterday. It was interesting. Check it out if you like.

It talks about Exodus up to Jesus' crux. and those famous last words, "My God, My God, why have your forsaken Me?"

Never would have put it together with Psalms and Jesus reciting a song to those watching Him die and this guy is also talking about how Jesus is called Emanuel, Jesus, Josephus etc...

http://messageshare.com/messageShare.as … mberID=273

I had it in my head that while Jesus was a man, he was a prophet. And yes, God's begotten son. I found it fascinating at the moment when I got this link because I was reading from the Qu'ran ( despite what some Muslims will tell you), it does say that Jesus was raised by God and given all the wisdom and gospel etc...

It also says that Allah hates and will not forgive those who make partners to Allah, however it also says that Jesus is to be trusted.

In the Bible God says that we are to make no distinction between He and God... So if Jesus is to be Trusted, and God says we make no distinction between them then there no one who believes that Jesus is God would be making partners of them because they are one in the same.

Course reading further into Surah 5, it says that Christians are to be hated. Which is sorta laughable because it is a contradiction and the Qu'ran claims there aren't any. ( I have reason to believe Surah 5 is false)

It also says that those who follow Jesus are closest to Allah.. anyways before I ramble on much more. I thought the significance of the sermon was right on in that Jesus is called a lot of things.

So in Revelations ( I believe) it says that Jesus will be given a new name. And from what I am reading in the Qu'ran, it seems as though Jesus' new name is Faith.

And so at the moment of Jesus' crux, it was done and Jesus was fully God. From another hub I wrote, I said that if someone says that Islam is the true religion, although Islam means peace, it sounds like it means "Faith in God".

Anyways, just some thoughts, I hope I don't offend anyone but then again it is a religion forum so pretty much everything is offensive at some point.
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apekshaposted 14 years ago
A person who had tested power in this environment..
had many powers..n people calls his GOD...
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Osa Osazuwa-Tosanposted 14 years ago
I think what is important is not who Jesus Christ is to me, but who Jesus Christ is to humanity. Jesus Christ is the expression of God's perfect love for humanity, of which I am a part. As humanity has become deformed through mankind's falling away from God his creator, in rebellion, through faithlessness, and has lost his human integrity and divine dignity, being a partaker of God's divine nature from creation, God has come down to restore humanity and mankind to his original divine nature. This demonstration of unqualified faith in man, His creature, by God, expresses His unfailing love, which Jesus Christ represents to me and all humanity - the meaning of life.
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realestateproposted 14 years ago
I believe that Jesus Christ is the only son of the only Living God. I believe he was sent by the Father, born of a virgin, willingly gave His life, was buried and rose from the dead after three days and reigns forever, so that every person has the opportunity to be reconciled to God. Believing on Him is the only way that anyone can be reconciled and enter the Kingdom of Heaven. "For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: not of works, lest any man should boast".
Ephesians 2: 8-9.

If mankind realized that it is not about us, it's about the glory of God, we would have a perfect world. Of course that will never happen and God never intended it to. With all the intelligence and advancements of humankind, which I champion wholeheartedly, God still sees us as we see plankton or amoeba.

Having said this, I've never truly understood why atheists and agnostics are always so bitter. They see religion, especially Christianity, as something vile and inhuman, and cannot conceive of an educated, enlightened society buying in to these "fairy tails." Most Christians, and true Christians especially, don't try to force their faith on anyone. They will share their beliefs with you and hope you will accept them. But a true Christian leaves it up to you, just as Christ did. We don't strap bombs to our bodies and blow up innocent people to induce infidels to convert.

Even though the United States of America, the greatest country in the history of the world, was founded on Christianity, some feel we should apologize for our greatness. How does the world think we got to be as great as we are? Well, I know what a lot of the world thinks, but the truth is, it is primarily because of our Christian beliefs and foundation. Now, if that sounds naive to some people, or offends some people, I don't apologize. Neither did Thomas Jefferson, John Adams, Benjamin Franklin, George Washington, etc. I suppose they were uninformed, uneducated, unenlightened men as well.

If atheists and agnostics don't believe in anything, which is certainly their right in this country, how do they lead happy, productive lives, knowing that even a long, eventful life is still but a fleeting moment in eternity? Why not put their faith in Christ? If all us subjugated, ignorant, mind numbed robots are right, they will have the perfect eternal life with happiness beyond comprehension. If we're wrong, they've lost nothing. Sound like a win - win to me.
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Make Moneyposted 14 years ago
I guess I was wrong. Yeah Sandra it doesn't really make sense that God would give the laws to Moses, absolve the law because Jesus Christ fulfilled the law, then again affirm the laws for Muslims 600 years later, does it?

The thing about it some of the Levitical Laws do not make any sense in these days. You know, an eye for an eye, stoning adulterers or even some of the dietary laws. Religious Jews can't even follow some of the laws now.

Those laws given to Moses were for obedience, if obeyed God would prove He was with them to other people at that time. It was to prove God, not them.
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  Mark Knowlesposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  
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  usmanali81posted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Dear! what's the problem in that ??? The previous religions were from God and Islam is also from God. God made previous religions according to the requirments of those past times, now is the time of Islam to be followed. It's just as a latest medicine book automatically overrides or replaces a 10 year old medicine book.
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  usmanali81posted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Dear! what's the problem in that ??? The previous religions were from God and Islam is also from God. God made previous religions according to the requirments of those past times, now is the time of Islam to be followed. It's just as a latest medicine book automatically overrides or replaces a 10 year old medicine book.
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  Make Moneyposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Well usmanali81 which Levitical Laws have Muslims decided to keep and which ones do they choose not to. Like religious Jews, Muslims can't follow some of the laws now either. You know, regarding an eye for an eye in most countries if someone commits a crime against you and you retaliate you are also committing a crime. Surely to goodness adulterers don't still get stoned in Muslim countries, do they? That would be against the law in a Christian country. It just does not make sense that God would establish the laws to prove that He was with the Israelites back then, fulfill the law through Jesus Christ, then re-establish the law again for a later group in the sixth century AD. Have you heard of Arianism?
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Make Moneyposted 14 years ago
No
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  Mark Knowlesposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Really? I mean - we both agree it doesn't make any sense.
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  Make Moneyposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  What doesn't make sense is that God would reverse the adherence to the Levitical Law for Muslims again 600 years after He had made them void for Christians. You know, back and forth. I'm not questioning God, I'm questioning Muslims trying to keep the Levitical Law. Muslims wouldn't be able to fully adhere to the Levitical Law these days just the same as religious Jews can't. Nice try though Mark.
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  Mark Knowlesposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Oh. I thought you were agreeing that it makes no sense. Ooops. My mistake. Your religiosity is better than the brown people's one? Is that right? I thought heyzooos was brown. My mistake......
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waynetposted 14 years ago
Jesus Christ superstar...on stage and stuff!!
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  Mishaposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  That I can totally support
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  Kelsey Tallisposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  I agree!
  
  Other than that, well, he seems like a decent kinda guy...
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MakeHimKnown94posted 14 years ago
Jesus is my savior! He died on the cross for me and for all of you, even those of you who deny Him!

Me = Jesus Freak. You'll never know how unbelievably cool that is until you are one!
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  Kelsey Tallisposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Ftr, I didn't deny him, I said he seems like a decent kinda guy ;-).
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  MakeHimKnown94posted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Haha no, I didn't mean to accuse you! I'm just saying, Jesus loves everyone, whether or not they believe... or whether or not they think he's a superstar. Which I totally do btw. What is Ftr?
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  Kelsey Tallisposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  I didn't feel "accused" per se, I was just clarifying. Ftr=For the record.
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  C.Ferreiraposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  I used to be a jesus freak...turned out to be very uncool. It was a pretty entertaining song though.
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  usmanali81posted 14 years agoin reply to this
  sorry, He did not die on the cross rather he was alive and raised upto the heaven by Allah-God and will return on earth in the near future. This is a Muslims' belief BUT the problem is this must be the belief of christians as even Bible did not say anything about his death rather their are evidences in Bibles thet he was alive.
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Make Moneyposted 14 years ago
That's good Mo.
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  mohitmisraposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  You are seeking and that's also good Mike
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DennisBarkerposted 14 years ago
Jesus is a greek translation of somebodys name. The answer to the question depends on the context. In the context of me as a 43 year old man who has investigated christian history and made some personal conclusions, the answer is that Jesus is a revision of several saviour - prophet archetypes which were prevelant in the middle east and mediteranean area a couple of thousand years ago.

An amalgam of Greek/Egyptian hero mythology and personification of astronomical changes producing a profound change in the psychology of people who take part in his worship.

For me personally Jesus was a starting point for my own personal journey of discovery which has led me through buddhism,new age ideas,and paganism. Jesus is essentially a pagan god wriapped up in revolutionary guise to suit a people who were under occupation and looking for a revolutionary leader.
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  Mark Knowlesposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Well, while our resident religious poet continues to demonstrate the values of no ego, humility and intelligence that are the true mark of a man who speaks for god, I just wanted to point out that this is an excellent description of who jesus christ is/was/isn't/wasn't.
  
  Anyone who takes the bible literally needs their head examined as far as I am concerned.
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  mohitmisraposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Will defend myself. Have proved my intelligence though my work.Be nice and I will be nice to you.There is a limit to my patience.We have this god called Shiva who could be very easily pleased and very easily get annoyed.
  The only way you can conquer me is through love and there I am gladly conquered -Krishna.
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earnestshubposted 14 years ago
You really don't get it do you? I fear no consequences from your deity, or your Karma, that is your stuff, you live with it. I only fear the thinking that leads you to the position where you feel it is ok to attempt to thrust your beliefs down other people's throats and seek "vengeance".
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  mohitmisraposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Its not in my hands I am not going to do anything to you but the cosmos works in a different way.I keep warning you for your own benefit.Will try and nullify some of it by giving it back to you but I cannot nullify it all. I am not here to harm you or anyone and on the contrary I am here to help humanity.
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  earnestshubposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Is it ok if I warn you too? Please don't waste your life looking to convert others to your beliefs, it takes away the time you need to individuate. Read "Man and his Symbols 3 times, read "Dreams and reflections and the puer papers, study brain chemistry and change your life.
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  mohitmisraposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  I am not trying to convert anyone.
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  Mark Knowlesposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  But you said you are "a religious poet who is spreading the message of god."
  
  What is that if not trying to convert people?
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  mohitmisraposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Convert from their religion.True about non believers, I try to instigate their souls into action.
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  Mark Knowlesposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Well, you have certainly persuaded me I am right.
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  mohitmisraposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  On some fundamental truths we relate with each other You understood I meant you no harm a long time back
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\Brenda Scullyposted 14 years ago
so we are all still battling it out then????
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Choke Franticposted 14 years ago
To me, Jesus Christ is my saviour and Lord.
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earnestshubposted 14 years ago
You must be joking.
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Andrew0208posted 14 years ago
Jesus Christ is Love. Love is the greatest virtue among all. Are you dwelling and walking in Love?
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  mohitmisraposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  I agree but earny will kill Jesus given the chance.
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Jezzzzposted 14 years ago
The Lord Jesus Christ is my Lord and Savior. He is my rock and the only person that I can TRULY depend on.
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Andrew0208posted 14 years ago
God is not mocked. Whatsoever a man sows that will he also reap. Thank you.
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Ron Montgomeryposted 14 years ago
There is historical, non biblical evidence that the human Jesus did exist during the time frame described in the bibles (I use the plural because many versions have been created. There is no such thing as "The" bible). Similar myths regarding virgin birth, tortuous death and resurrection pre-date the biblical one. The question of who is Jesus to you is a good one. Many of the teachings help the believers to realize the full potential of their spiritual journey. On the other hand there is that nagging problem of Adolph Hitler's love of passion plays.
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Jewelsposted 14 years ago
From Mohit: "Recently fieryc put up a passage and only I was able to understand it on this forum so trust me I can teach you as well."

You teach me what not to be and for that I am truly grateful. So I suppose you are a teacher!
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  mohitmisraposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  I am happy you have learned not to insult a religious poet on a religious forum when he is in a debate with someone.Ranked over Holy Bibles and Holy Qurans and you still suppose-wow. twisted as usual.
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  Jewelsposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Latest information received: The current most published works and highly read pieces of literature are:
  
  1. The Bible
  2. Harry Potter
  3. The Ikea catalogue.
  
  I can't see your name here? Am I missing something?
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  mohitmisraposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Tell your master I said he is doing a really sad job with you. He needs to iron out the twisted side of yours.
  
  Keep remembering the song "twist and shout" when I think of you.
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  Jewelsposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  I love that song, the Beatles version.
  My teacher would much rather see me be in my truth and go through the eye of the needle than avoid it. And here you are insulting as usual. Can you see the mirror? Transform yourself oh enlightened one!
  
  And again, making delusional comments about your poetry book. Facts:
  
  1. The Bible
  2. Harry Potter
  3. Ikea Catalogue.
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Tom Cornettposted 14 years ago
Brother
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Eaglekiwiposted 14 years ago
Who is Jesus to me

My brother and Saviour ,I miss him alot these days ,and I cant wait to see him.
I have hope based on his promises to me. He is not a man that he should lie.
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  mohitmisraposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  He will fulfill his promise to you-have faith
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Eaglekiwiposted 14 years ago
ohhh like Murphy's Law cept dyslexic lol
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earnestshubposted 14 years ago
Get over yourself, you obviously have no knowledge of the history of the nonsense you spout.
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  mohitmisraposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Would be sad to see some scholars leave due to insults. I hope this has not happened to Mohammedhmm and some others.
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  earnestshubposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Not that you are likely to comment....http://hubpages.com/hub/The-Death-And-Rebirth-Of-A-God
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  mohitmisraposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  No pain if you leave
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  earnestshubposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  and as usual, no answers.
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  mohitmisraposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  As usual cannot understand the answers.
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  earnestshubposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Read the hub, give an answer.
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  mohitmisraposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Dont order me.
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  earnestshubposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  OK, please read the hub and give me the benefit of your wisdom oh great one!
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  mohitmisraposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Now I will since you are being nice but kindly cut out the sarcasm. Give me a little while got some work to do.
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  Jewelsposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  But you have no trouble calling me twisted? So a man designated by god to teach can be sarcastic, but no-one else can? Hmmmm?
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  mohitmisraposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Read the hub gave it a thumbs up and remarked excellent research.
  Death is the door to god or immortality, that's when you understand you are spirit or god.
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  earnestshubposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  I am spirit and god?
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  mohitmisraposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Spirit is god.Christians give this spirit or god the name Holy Spirit,the Red Indians Great Spirit.
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Andrew0208posted 14 years ago
Ranting that Jesus Christ was not actually a person is 100% misleading and a bunch of beautiful lies of atheism to also debate there's no God. Only fools can take that crap. Yes, I am a god because i'm born of God's word. He lives and dwells in me.
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  Mark Knowlesposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Just listen to yourself Andrew.
  
  jesus was made up. There is no god. Now you can relax and enjot yourself.
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  Andrew0208posted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Beautiful Lies. Push them to fools.
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