The Subdomain Switch ...What's Happening with you?

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sabrebIadeposted 13 years ago
I switched on Tuesday.
It looks like most of my Hubs are indexed (210 out of 277).
Haven't seen any real change in traffic or profits yet.
But it has only been 48 hours give or take.
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Eaglekiwiposted 13 years ago
Subdomain is on...

But the people have become allergic to clicking,hmm

Conclusion..on/off

No difference-yet
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rebekahELLEposted 13 years ago
Everyone will see different results. Hubbers write for varied reasons.
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wavegirl22posted 13 years ago

Lissie,
If HP had reacted differently? Sorry I can not agree with you there. They reacted, they did what they had to do, they advised us what to do, and we had the choice to do what we wanted with it all. I edited and reedited and have built other blogs and sites. Everyday I am learning more. Here, there and everywhere.
Hubpages has afforded me opportunities to meet some extra ordinary people that have shown me many tricks of the trade. .
I applaud the staff . . and all that they have done and put up with while ironing things out.
Which from my stats they surely are on the right track.
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FloraBreenRobisonposted 13 years ago
Lissie,
If that is the way you feel, you best leave and that will eliminate a lot of your stress because you will feel in control. I have made 78 cents in the 6 weeks I've been here. I do not expect to make much moneyon this site. I will make money on other sites on articles and subjects that may pay the bills but not fill my soul. Hubpages akllows me to write waht I love.
And if hubpages is so bad, then everyone should be doing badly post-Panda.

Tell you what. Patty Inglish has something like 4,000 or 5,000 followers and writes about a huge variety of topics so that there is something for eveyone. The day she complains that the hubpages staff is ruining everything and she is leaving then there really is something wrong with the staff.
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  Marisa Wrightposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  I'll bet Lissie has already left, in that I bet she's not writing any new Hubs. Neither am I. We're still on the forums because we like helping others, we like the community, and we have a portfolio of Hubs which is still worth something (even if less than before).
  
  I still think HubPages is a good place to start making money online. First, it's a half-way house between writing on simple article-writing sites and having your own website. Second, it has a good community where you can share knowledge. However you will get to a point where you know enough to make more money with your own blogs/websites - then HP becomes just another promotional tool rather than a primary source of income.
  
  Flora, you've been here six weeks. Before you arrived, there was a huge exodus of Hubbers just like Patty. They were Hubbers earning hundreds if not thousands of dollars a month.
  
  What happened was that in a knee-jerk reaction to Google's algorithm update, HP changed a lot of the rules, didn't explain them clearly, then gave people only a couple weeks' notice to comply - which for Hubbers with hundreds of Hubs, was impossible. As a result, many top Hubbers had large numbers of Hubs unpublished for "non-compliance", which meant they lost considerable income.
  
  These Hubbers weren't people who were gaming the system - they were people who'd been lauded by HubPages for their success in writing sales-oriented Hubs.
  Some of those Hubbers were so upset by their poor treatment that they simply walked away.
  
  This is a good illustration: of the five Hubbers profiled in this Hub, at least four are no longer Hubbing (though they may still visit the forums):
  
  http://hubpages.com/hub/Why-I-Follow-Fi … n-HubPages
  
  Those of us who write more informational Hubs weren't so badly affected, so we were upset but not enough to abandon HP. However we felt HP couldn't afford to lose the sales Hubbers, who had been such great mentors on the forums and champions of HP, so several of us tried writing to HP management to encourage them to do something about the exodus. We received dismissive or rude replies.
  
  It's a tough reminder that HP is a business and they need writers to make it work, but we're expendable. I used to think HP was such a great site because the staff were so supportive and responsive, but I don't fool myself about that any more. It's the writers who are supportive and responsive to each other, and that's what makes it work.
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  Lissieposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  
  They also need writers to make money - so HP can afford to run their business - you know all those evil affiliate marketers that left because hP changed the rules - its lovely some people think they can write totally non-commercial hubs - but they ain't the ones paying the bills for HP.
  
  You know Marisa you and I have been here a very, very long time, and this used to be a fantastic community- but I really do find this real - "trust HP they know what they are doing" crap is starting to get quite bizarre - I've personally learned a lot from some of the people in that hub you referenced. and some of them are on-line colleagues that to this day make me money and I them - but not one of them does, or ever has, or would work for HP - which says it all really.
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  CMHypnoposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  It feels a bit like some hubbers have circled the wagons and are now making a last stand, shooting arrows at anyone who has the least complaint about HP or has ideas on how to improve the site.
  
  Also people have short memories, there was still plenty of complaining going on pre-panda - nothing is perfect or ever will be, but the community aspect seems to have lost a lot of its vibrancy and camaraderie since then
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  Bendo13posted 13 years agoin reply to this
  That's sad... wasn't Nelle Hoxie one of their "rising star" stories they put out in that weekly digest? I remember someone with a similar name that loved this place and posted a new hub every day.
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  Marisa Wrightposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  That's the one. All of her Hubs are now gone, because they were all non-compliant under the new rules - yet they were welcomed under the old regime:
  
  http://blog.hubpages.com/2009/12/nelle- … per-month/
  
  Can you wonder she decided to go?
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  Bendo13posted 13 years agoin reply to this
  I wonder what was so "evil" about her writing?
  
  Hopefully they just unpublished the stuff so she could collect all her writing and go elsewhere.
  
  If I were her I would have set up a blogger site or bought a domain and popped up a WordPress blog and threw up any old ad I wanted... wrote about anything I wanted and so on. Hopefully she's doing well outside of HP... anyone talk to her?
  
  If it happens to me, luckily I already have an internet marketing blog, fitness blog and a nature blog... as of right now I use them to write affiliate reviews and then if I write a new hub I give a short intro and link to HP... but if that happened to me, I'd edit all those little "feeder" posts and put the content right on my sites.
  
  These subdomains look promising, and I had to do a TON of revisions (dropping affiliate links, deleting links to my own sites because they had sign up forms and even moving my text around on EVERY hub to make that top ad show up) but I'm not jumping ship just yet... Hopefully HP will truly get back to being a "place for writers" sometime soon.
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  Marisa Wrightposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Nelle wrote sales Hubs, which were centered around Amazon ads. They weren't all ads and no writing - in fact most of her Hubs were over 1,000 words - but they did contain a high proportion of Amazon ads. As you can read on that blog post, they were phenomenally successful.
  
  When the rules changed to require 50 words for every Amazon product, she was faced with editing every single one of her hundreds of Hubs to reduce the number of products displayed. She was given two weeks to do so.
  
  She had arrived at her Hub configuration through careful research and trial and error, and she felt that reducing the number of Amazon products would slash her income. So she decided the effort to edit every Hub wasn't worth it, and she deleted them all.
  
  She has a great blog about Cape Cod, where she lives, and several other blogs and websites under other names.
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  Mark Ewbieposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  It might be worth pointing out that the number of words versus ads was not a Google Panda requirement AND for a long time the recommendation was to offer readers a good choice of adverts.
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  Bendo13posted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Hmm yeah, I'm not sure I would have done what she did. I took probably a week to edit all my hubs and I had 300-400 at the time. She could still be making some money, but I'm sure she IS on her other sites, without restrictions.
  
  I actually didn't have a single hub pop up and say I had too many ads though... She must have really had a bunch of ads on hers.
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  IzzyMposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Nelle's been in touch with me. She has successfully recouped all the earnings she lost here by writing new sites, and it wasn't 100s of hubs she had, it was thousands spread across several accounts. It was simply too much work, plus her tactic worked so well that reducing the Amazon or eBay capsules actually lost her a great deal of money. On her own sites she has free rein and complete control.
  
  I still wish she had left a couple of hubs intact just to show us how it is done - she was/is brilliant at online marketing!
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  theherbivorehippiposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  She really was brilliant and her hubs I never really found to be salesy (yes, I made this word up)....the ones I read were always informative as well.
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  Bendo13posted 13 years agoin reply to this
  I never got to check out her style to see what works.
  
  I have one Amazon focused hub that pulled in two big sales just weeks before Panda hit... I'd love to see that come back.
  
  Not sure what she did that was special with her layout, but I'm sure it could work to a smaller scale even now.
  
  I dropped eBay a long time ago though. It performed poorly and you might get people to click and bid on an auction and not win.. so of course the sales per click was lower.
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  Marisa Wrightposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Nelle didn't agree, nor did some of the other Amazon gurus we had here. They all felt that if they had to cut down the number of ads, they would lose too many sales - so they took their work to their own sites where there were no limitations
  
  Most eBay affiliates get around that by choosing to display "Buy It Now" items only. That feature has been requested by Hubbers many times.
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  kerrygposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Yeah, I'm not a guru by any means, but my ebay income has been absolutely slaughtered since the new rules came in. I'm hoping they'll get repealed now that we're on subdomains, but it doesn't look promising so far.
  
  Ironically, a pair of sites I have that are the thinnest of affiliate sites - nothing but keyword rich post titles and phpbay generated content, no writing at all - have been up since Panda. One of them did get Google slapped earlier this month (probably by manual review) but it's survived such a slap before and keeps steadily chugging away. It's not going to make me rich, but it's probably the only thing keeping my ebay affiliate account alive now that HubPages clicks are down 75% or more, and sales even lower.
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  KeithTaxposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Marisa, I would have paid Nelle $10,000 for her hubs. She would then have saved the time of posting them elsewhere by selling to me; I wish I knew she was quitting before she hit delete. I am okay with editing hubs. My traffic only dipped for a few days with Panda before moving modestly higher; it is now triple pre-Panda. I did edit my hubs well beyond what HP wanted. I also made an editing change a few weeks ago and my HP ad income increased 900%. I do not need HP to tell me to edit. It is part of the writing process. Do you know how many editing changed were demanded of me by my agent and editor before my first book was published? HP is a kitten compared to my pitbull editor.
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rebekahELLEposted 13 years ago
I've never once heard Patty or a number of other prolific hubbers blame HP. Somewhere in life I heard the quote that successful people realize they are 100% responsible for their lives. I believe it. We are responsible for not only our actions, but for our responses/reactions.
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  Marisa Wrightposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  What about Nelle Hoxie, Ryankett, Thisisoli, Sunforged, Lissie, Misha, Mark Knowles, Wrylilt, Lrohner, me...
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  scepticalposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  you must be joking ! they are prolific spinners(misha) & afilliate marketters. they were all cheesed off at hp for banning afilliate links.stop pretending they cared about anything else, marissa !
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  Lissieposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Hello Mr/Ms Anon - and on what evidence are you claiming that I am a proflific spinner or affiliate marketer?
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  Marisa Wrightposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  They were cheesed off because HP changed the rules which resulted in large numbers of their previously legal, highly successful Hubs being unpublished - while they did nothing to stop the dross flowing in.
  
  If HP's measures had been effective against the real problem Hubs, these Hubbers would probably have sucked it up and dealt with it, because it would be worth it in the end - but many are still questioning whether many of the rule changes were necessary or advisable.
  
  Many of them had their Hubs republished, then unpublished again for another "transgression", two or three times over - and often with only the vaguest explanation.
  
  Anyone who dealt with those Hubbers knows they were very supportive of HP - if you recall the "HubPages Sucks" campaign, they were all quick to jump to the defence of the site. They felt betrayed by a site they saw as their online home, that's why they had such an extreme reaction.
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  Lissieposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Yeah even the stuff that didn't get censored is quite illuminating, the bottom line as many (ex) hubbers stated was that hubpages had to get rid of the crap - after all that was what Google was complaining about - but they didn't - don't believe me - do some hub hopping - there doesn't even appear to be a minimum word limit on hubs.
  Instead HP, variously, disallowed link building, disallowed links to useful legit services such as marketsamurai.com, disallowed affiliate links that they themselves didn't get a cut off, changed the proportion of ebay and amazon ads to the point that the best earners left because their income was decimated.
  
  AFter all that - they then introduced subdomains - and as good as publically stated that they were gaming google http://searchnewscentral.com/2011071417 … pages.html
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  EmpressFelicityposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  This is what makes me think that all the new "improvements" aren't about improving the site's quality in the general sense, but about appeasing the advertisers who participate in the new ad program.
  
  I agree with Marisa - it's the other users who lift this site above the norm. It's nice to have the platform there, but just as we members shouldn't delude ourselves that we're indespensible, the site owners/staff shouldn't delude themselves that they can be kept afloat by a chorus of "you're great, you are!"s from all the cheerleaders on here.
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FloraBreenRobisonposted 13 years ago
Exactly, RebekahELLE.
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Paradise7posted 13 years ago
I have an issue in that earnings so far this month posted on my account on HubPages doesn't match the earnings according to my Google AdSense account. The Google Adsense account earnings for this month is way, way, way low: practically non-existent (2 cents), and I really do wonder what's up with that. So far, post-Panda, it went from poorly paid to just about not paid at all, which is okay--I wasn't in it for the money because the money wasn't there, but still...2 cents????? Anyone have the same issue?
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  wildernessposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  ???? HubPages does not post your adsense earnings - how can they not match the figures from Adsense?
  
  Are you referring to your HPads earnings? These are totally separate from Adsense, although those ads (if you allow them at all) will replace some of the adsense ads and result in falling adsense income.
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  PaulGoodman67posted 13 years agoin reply to this
  @Wilderness - I think he or she's comparing HP ads with Adsense, though it's not very clear.
  
  If someone's switched to subdomains and still is doing badly then I suspect that it is the hubs that are at fault, not the affiliates/advertisers.
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  wildernessposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Yes, it looks like confusion between HPads and adsense.
  
  As far as the subdomains, it takes some time to get everything indexed and performing well, and even then we are looking at the "honeymoon" period that all new writing gets from google. Only time will tell what will actually happen.
  
  So far I'm extremely pleased with my results, but we'll see what they are doing in a few months.
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  Hubpages Hubberposted 13 years agoin reply to this
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  wildernessposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Yes, I understood that. It was the post from Paradise7 that I was replying to.
  
  I see you have a subdomain - hopefully it will help in getting back to "normal" earnings. I know my own earnings are up...
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adeaugustusposted 13 years ago
Thanks guys am switching to the subdomain thing right away, i could use the traffic increase. Thanks again.
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  IzzyMposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  I doubt if you'll see much change at this point in time, because all your hubs are still new, but if you keep up the good work and keep writing quality hubs, you should see your viewers and earnings increase in future, on the subdomain.
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  bgamallposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  I deleted a hub that had gotten a lot of traffic. With the subdomain switch it died. I changed my mind and reinstated it the next day and it took off. I am highly perplexed.
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  IzzyMposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  I can only assume that when it 'died' it had been de-indexed and not yet re-indexed. Subdomains have only been around for a week or so unless you were a tester.
  
  I can't imagine why you deleted a popular hub. Was it accidental?
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  bgamallposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  I thought it was dead forever.
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  IzzyMposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Glad you're not a medical doctor!!
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  bgamallposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Lol, cart that hub off!!
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Will Apseposted 13 years ago
This is a weird thread. There seem to be a little clique of Hubpage haters determined to sow discord.

The strangest thing is the reappearance of Lissie who has hardly made a contribution in the forums for a couple of years.

Is it that many disaffected hubbers (and former hubbers) hang out on her site? Do they feel even more disaffected now that those who stuck the course here are feeling vindicated?

Does Lissie feel it is politic for the sake of her site to turn up and stick the knife in?

Who knows...
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  EmpressFelicityposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  I think it's too early to say whether anyone is vindicated or not. We will need a few more months before we know whether the initial positive effect of the subdomain switch is going to be a lasting thing.
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  Will Apseposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Many people are feeling vindicated but what people feel isn't always a reliable indicator of how things will go.
  
  I'm hoping for the best. I have to wonder why some are choosing this moment to be harbingers of doom.
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  EmpressFelicityposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Maybe "harbingers of a note of justified caution" might be a better way of putting it.
  
  It's all very well to join in a chorus of "my traffic's gone up, my traffic's gone up!" and have a group hug, but we have to face up to the possibility that the upswing might be temporary, due to the "new content bonus" that people have mentioned.
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  Marisa Wrightposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Exactly.
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  lrohnerposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  It would be extremely helpful if you actually knew what you were talking about before posting. Not everyone had the same "bend-over-and-take-it-with-a-smile" attitude that, for whatever reason, you did during the past few months here. The fact that you will actively put down anyone who doesn't share your POV is quite telling about you.
  
  Just because someone is skeptical or cautious about this new "fix" doesn't mean they are an HP hater. It simply means that they are being realistic. Unlike the cheerleaders who are encouraging people to run full-speed ahead based on rosy short-term results, they are putting their past experience to good use to educate others.
  
  The fact of the matter is that this will pan out in one of three ways, and no one -- not the "cheerleaders" nor the "haters" -- can predict which one it will be:
  
  1) Subdomains will shake out in the SERPs according to Google's whims, with many back to pre-Panda levels or higher.
  
  2) Google's "new content bonus" will wear off, and subdomains will sink back to where they were before.
  
  3) Subdomains will continue to rise and do well until the next Panda run, at which time they'll get smacked and sink back down in the SERPs.
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  EmpressFelicityposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  And I for one am very grateful to them. Because they're the ONLY ones around here who seem to be living in the real world.
  
  And what is it with all the cheerleading stuff anyway? Is it an American thing? It does my bleedin' head in.
  
  Listen everyone, I'll let you in on a secret: HubPages makes money from you. Therefore it is a business relationship. Like any business relationship, it works best if it's grounded in mutual respect and honesty. But it doesn't (or shouldn't, IMO) require backslapping or arse licking from either party.
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  Will Apseposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Like I said this is a weird thread. Traffic rises and suddenly people are panicking.
  
  It really isn't a sin to hope Hubpages have got this right you know.
  
  Personally, I wouldn't have taken the risk involved in heading into uncharted territory with the sub-domains change- not without extensive testing. But then my income was only down a quarter to a third with Panda.
  
  Many people lost 80%. For them the risk has to be worth it. What have they got to lose?
  
  And lets face it the early signs are good.
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  CMHypnoposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Do you have to be a total HP lover or a total HP hater? Can't you be somewhere in between?
  
  There's lots of things that I really like about HP, but there are things that I don't like or don't agree with as well.
  
  Do I have to skip around like Pollyanna and say everything is wonderful when some things are not? No! If there is something I don't like, like any hubber, I have the right to bring it up.
  
  I just don't get this new attitude that seems to have crept in of that if you are ever less than 100% positive about any HP changes in policy that it makes you some kind of evil heretic?
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  KeithTaxposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  You hit the nail square, Will. Too many people here think we need to take sides in the traffic debate as a "lover" or "hater" of HP. If you attempt to make money on HP you have a business. It is not about love or hate. Treat it like a business and the emotionsal response declines while revenue goes up. This applies to any business endeavor.
  
  It is more helpful to congratulate those that are experiencing a traffic and income bump due to recent HP changes. HP is not working hard to fail as a business. Like every other business, they are busting hump to succeed. Business throws a curve from time to time. That is life.
  
  I agree with hubbers that are withholding high-fives on the traffic increase due to subdomains. It is worth acknowledging that subdomains are working for many.
  
  Focus on the task. I have been in business since 1982. My employees and their families count on me holding my emotions in check when business gets tough. If I fail, they suffer, too. When I lose focus my income drops in my accounting practice as well. Focus on building your business and you have a chance at winning. There are no guarantees in business. Ask any business owner these last few years of sluggish economic growth.
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  Lissieposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Actually I wrote a hub recently Will- if you are going to keep tabs on me do it properly! Yeah I started hanging out on the forums - once my income was affected - because I wanted to see WTF was being done about it - unlike same I've stayed for now.
  
  Now I've lost the handy PR3 I had on my profile (because of the move to sub-domains) - I want that back - to get that back I need some backlinks from my profile - a forum link will count - or hadn't you figured that out yet?
  
  Which site I have quite a number? If you mean lissowerbutts.com -
  Nope not really - I was somewhat relieved actually because I used to prominently promote HP on my site - I have since removed those posts and warned others
  
  Sorry, would you like to link to the threads I've started "sticking the knife in" - in fact I've been pretty restrained for me - and I didn't even start this thread BTW.
  
  What I am doing - too subtle for you obviously - is trying to point some of the better writers here in the direction of self-publishing - because it will probably make them more money than trying to publish fiction or poetry here. Why would I do that? Well you are clearly the conspiracy theorist - you tell me
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  Will Apseposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  I don't think you are being too subtle, Lizzie. You are clearly advising people that Hubpages is a bad place to write.
  
  And, of course, there is plenty of money to be made 'helping' wannabes writers. You once said, (a long time ago now) that you were making two thousand dollars a month with one of your sites on the subject.
  
  If the sub domains change doesn't work out for Hubpages,it could work out for you.
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  Lissieposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  
  I've never claimed to make $2000 from one site, because I never have, - if want to post a link maybe ....
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  scepticalposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  bingo, and she is not the only one. half a dozen 'great writers' (ha) are among the constant whingers here. and half of them have their own sites and they are trying to pull off writers like this is oli, sunforged, etcc.
  
  the rest of us are sick and tired of the self serving moaning and fearmongering
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  PRanjposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  And, what about the great spinner, black hat guy, and paid backlinker Misha...... Oh God, this place has become so good without Misha.....
  
  BTW, opening your own site is not a crime. In fact, thisisoli, sunforged opened their sites to help fellow hubbers. These two and ryankett are still helping new hubbers.
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  Marisa Wrightposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  There are four Hubbers who have started their own article-writing sites. Lissie is not one of them.
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  mistyhorizon2003posted 13 years agoin reply to this
  More than that now, I can think of 5 immediately.
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  thisisoliposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  If you had actually done any research on this you will realize that I started This is Freelance well before Panda, and it was initially created as a Hubpages resource where writers could build backlinks to their hubs.
  
  Before you start assuming I am trying to make Hubpages fail, let me just remind you that the panda fall cost me around $700 a month, a fall that did not affect any of my other sites. I would hate to lose what remains of my Hubpages income. thats why Every post I have been made that is even closely critical of Hubpages includes me saying how I think it should be/have been handled to help the writers of this site.
  
  I am giving advice because I don't want to lose any more income than I already have because of Hubpages rash changes.
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  PRanjposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  LOLOLOLOLOLO
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  Marisa Wrightposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Will, I don't see any HubPage haters here. I only see statements of fact about recent events. I also think the thread has become a little weird, because there's not much to be gained from going over the history like this - but the subject came up, someone made an unfair slur on Hubbers who are no longer here to defend themselves, and that led to a discussion. Pretending it didn't happen would be silly.
  
  Lissie is only doing what she's always done - she doesn't post often but she has never been completely absent over the last two years. And no, disaffected Hubbers do not hang out on her site.
  
  In fact, if you want to know what a HubPage hater looks like, I could refer you to a couple of sites where you will meet them. I (and a couple of others on this thread) was invited to join but dropped out when I discovered how vicious it was. I haven't seen any of those vitriolic Hub haters back here since the purge.
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  Eric Graudinsposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Strong words Marisa. Vitriolic. Vicious.
  To use another "V" word, I'm surprised that you're so vehement.
  
  I assume you're talking about the group which I started, which you were invited into, and which you left.
  
  The group which now contains many of the well known people who used to take an active part in these forums.
  
  Marisa, I have respect for you, but must disagree with your assertion that my group is just full of "vitriolic hub haters".
  
  Yes, there certainly was the odd venting done against hub pages in the early days. Only understandable, considering the actions of Hub Pages management towards some of their best, most highly regarded writers.
  
  However, in recent times we have become a group of focused people who share our knowledge and expertise about new projects and activities, our results about the things that work, and generally support each other in our activities.
  
  As a result, people have extended themselves and are setting up profitable businesses in new areas.
  
  So Good luck to everyone who is waiting for HubPages to recover.
  I hope it works out for you, and that you achieve your goals.
  
  Eric G.
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PaulGoodman67posted 13 years ago
Remember, what is important to Google is not just about the good stuff doing well, they also want the bad hubs to do badly in search results - that what was wrong with the old HP model for them, everybody was lifted by the "link juice", so rubbish was hitting high rankings when it shouldn't have. I doubt that Google will be too worried if HP still has crap on it, as long as the crap doesn't make it onto page one of the search results.

It will take a lot of analysis to work out what effect the subdomain switch has made overall. Plus, as others have pointed out, the results will have to settle down first and who knows where they will settle down to.

What I am hopeful about is that the dampening/stifling effect has been lifted and hubs will be able to rise over time, which seemed to stop completely under panda.
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Singular Investorposted 13 years ago
Well I took the plunge last night so around 15 hours ago I guess. I look forward to my visitor numbers recovering to their giddy pre-panda heights - after panda they fell to around 250 a day, so we shall see. My profile has already been indexed :-)
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  Singular Investorposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  40 of my hubs have been indexed already - it only took around 1 day
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FloraBreenRobisonposted 13 years ago
This is not a weird thread, Will. It is an important thread and everyone has a right to their opinion. Personally, I have to avoid negative emotions or I become ill. As such, I said that if I felt like lissie does I would leave for sure. But obviously it is more important for her to teach people ideas about how to improve their earnings. I don't expect tomake much money on a site that involves ad clicking, perhaps because of the types of hubs I write. I don't really understand the concept of ad clicking for revenue. I have only ever had experience with print media and that is paid per word. There are per word sites online. The best paying one is Textbroker-however, you have to be an American resident.
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  thisisoliposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  text broker is one of the worst paid writing sites online, it doesn't even always give you $1 per 100 words. I currently get at least $10 for every 100 words I write.
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  FloraBreenRobisonposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  thanks for letting me know. I was annoyed that living in Canada I wasn't allowed to write for it. I feel better now
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Will Apseposted 13 years ago
Well, at least we are agreed that you consider Hubpages a bad place to write.

We should also agree that talking the site down is in your interests.

Since I make a good amount of money here, you can understand my resentment.
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  Marisa Wrightposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Wrong. Lissie does not have any sites which are in competition with HubPages. Maybe you are thinking of some other Hubbers who started up article-writing sites, who could be accused of trying to steal readers if they were posting here.
  
  Lissie still has a good body of work here on HubPages which provide her with backlinks to her main sites as well as income. How would talking down the site be in her interest?
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  Will Apseposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Maybe I am being hard on her but given her means of making money,suspicions are bound to surface.
  
  For example, if Lissie can convince people that Hubpages is a sinking ship she might be able to pick up some new writer wannabes who need her 'help'.
  
  She doesn't run her 'passive income' site and related for charity. There are ads to click and affiliate sign ups on offer.
  
  Talking the site down also gets her kudos with the disaffected who frequent her site.
  
  Frankly, I don't mind her using these forums to boost her trade as long as she is making a contribution. When she is putting people off the site and spreading doom and gloom, it gets wearisome.
  
  You might have read in another thread that she says her many online friends (who make her money) would never, ever, in any circumstances work on Hubpages.
  
  I'm surprised she soils her hands here at all.
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  Eric Graudinsposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Ahhhh. Thank You Will.
  I think you've worked out her strategy!
  Forum members are SO fortunate that you are here to protect them from voracious vultures such as Lissie!
  
  (Wow. More "V" words !)
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  Lissieposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Shhhhh Eric - I'm a Vampire in disguise.....
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  Lissieposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Shhhhh Eric - I'm a Vampire in disguise.....
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  Lissieposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  
  Really ads to click? Are you sure you've got the right Lissie -my Passive Income site has never had Adsense, never will. Yeah there are affiliate offers - but you are hardly required to sign up to them to read the site - in fact i have more advertising than HubPages
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  Uninvited Writerposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  So nice of you to allow her to post about what you think is okay for her to post about.
  
  Maybe you should let us know what we are allowed to post about on the HubPages forums, it would make it a lot easier.
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  lrohnerposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Where IS that darn Like button when you need it?
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  thisisoliposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Maybe the fact that she is dissuading people from writing on Hubpages is because she offers advice about writing online for profit, in which case there are now simply better options.
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Lissieposted 13 years ago
I have made very good money over the years from affiliates who have signed up thru me to HP - if I was in it for the money I would still be shouting the praises of HP from the roof top. I'm not, because I don't thing it is anymore - and that is costing me money too - it is what it is

I make no secret of what I think of HP - I posted recently on my blog about it - I tend not to slate them on their own forums though - because its a) tasteless and b) will probably get me censored.

WTF would what i think about HP affect your income???

And that reference to the "$2000 from one website" - I missed that...
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IzzyMposted 13 years ago
Lissie has just written a wonderful ebook about packing for vacations, if anyone is interested. To anyone reading here, I am not easily impressed, but I loved this ebook. Nor are Lissie and I friends, though we are acquaintances.
Going by the title, I didn't expect to be impressed. In my country we don't even use the word 'vacations' - that's almost something you do in the bathroom - and packing is just one of those things you have to do, but the hints and tips in this ebook for saving weight while travelling are exceptional. Check it out
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IzzyMposted 13 years ago
Just trying to find a reason for your traffic not showing a miraculous recovery. It should have done, you are a long term hubber with a fair number of hubs. Give it a bit more time then.
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  Bendo13posted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Yeah I think I'm going to have to give it a couple weeks before I can say for sure.
  
  I'm sure once everything is indexed it'll have to setlle a little and knock out the old URLs... but I was happy to see that back in the top..
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njmanuraposted 13 years ago
I see little increase in traffic and hpads earning. But no clicks.
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wildernessposted 13 years ago
I must be finally catching what Izzy has reported. HPads income income is the best it's ever been, including the couple of weeks experience pre-panda.

The weeks adsense is definitely up, and today was the best day since the only time I ever crossed $10 back in early February.

And this in spite of it being Saturday - historically a slow day for me. Things are definitely looking up.
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  IzzyMposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  That is brilliant to hear Wilderness!
  
  It was last weekend that I had the upswing in traffic and it stayed up all week till Friday when it slipped again and Saturday is back to being awful. Having said that, my 'awful' now is higher than my best any day of the week since Panda. Waiting now, to see if traffic climbs again now that we are back to Sunday like it usually does.
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Ghost32posted 13 years ago
Interesting. I've not been on the forums much for a while and seem to have missed...something.

For example, the part about HP needing to "recover"...? Huh. Didn't know there was such a need in the first place. Goes to show how little I know, I guess. Or how little I notice, at least, being mainly focused on writing....

(*Scratches head, moseys on back to make notes for his next Hub*)
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  Eric Graudinsposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Hi Ghost,
  It's been well documented that Traffic to HubPages plummeted recently, after Google's ranking algorithms changed.
  
  The vast amount of garbage content on hubpages caused hubpages results to be downgraded by Google.
  
  To try to fix this this, HubPages imposed a series of stricter and stricter content rules, (many of which were arguably useless) which resulted in many people having to make multiple changes to their hubs to get them re-published.
  
  At the same time, they did little to address the main problem of garbage content being continually added by spammers.
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Mark Ewbieposted 13 years ago
I have no potential gain from talking down the HubPages site. It is not my objective. I would prefer that it becomes hugely successful and makes me some money.

However, I am not one of those people who says everything is great when it isn't. Oh yes, I know all about supporting the team and all that stuff - but there's positivity and / or mentally suspect in my opinion.

Neither am I here to troll or annoy. I am, honestly, here just to write stuff and get some money.

So none of my 'anti' HubPages posts are for any ulterior purposes. They are simply saying - we got hit by Panda, some of the HP suggested changes were kneejerk and achieved little, fingers crossed that subdomains work and my main beef... what's with dealing with the spam?

Since subdomains I think I don't care about the spam anymore. Not my problem. IF this site can make me money, or I can learn how to do it - then great. IF my other outlets make me more then that's great too.

I would much rather hear honest unbiased opinion and results than a load of cheerleading and /or flaming.
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  agvulpesposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Hey Mark that's pretty heavy stuff coming from you so I guess it's time for the 'silent' group to speak up!
  I agree with you but you may have to explain 'flaming' before I shout 'Bravo '
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  IzzyMposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flaming_(Internet)
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  CMHypnoposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  I think that you still need to care about the spam and the dross on HP, Mark.
  
  One of the things that most worries me about this subdomain thing is that hubbers will just forget about all the spam and copied content here, as they disappear into their own little kingdoms.
  
  But we should all worry about dross, spam and copied content on the web generally, and especially on a site where we have invested a lot of our precious time. It will still drag HP down, and content copiers should not be allowed to get away with it.
  
  If we don't keep up the pressure, the HP staff might just quietly think that they can stop worrying about it too, and we will all wake up one morning literally drowning in all the s**t that is streaming onto the site.
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earnestshubposted 13 years ago
Lissie was one of the first people here to offer assistance to me, I read her stuff and have her feed on my home page so I can see what she is up to.
Lissie has always been honest in all the advice she has given me, and she knows far too much to think spamming a hubpage forum is going to make her any money.
She travels a lot and goes to some very interesting places. She deserves any success that she gets.
A real honest battler with a lot of guts.

*************************************************************
APOLOGIES to both lissies! and to Bill, I thought he was speaking of our other Lissie.
This lissie seems to be just as nice.
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  Lissieposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  
  LMAO Earnest - its OK I won't tell the other Ozzies you were nice to a Kiwi :-)
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  earnestshubposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  I thought we loved the Kiwis?
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  waynetposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Yeah but the skin needs shaving like peaches before eating and those black seeds look positively offensive! but they taste good like rice pud!
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  mistyhorizon2003posted 13 years agoin reply to this
  You shave your peaches??? Yikes!
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  Lissieposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  You can get hairless kiwis - http://www.flickr.com/photos/mindtrigger/3619336541/
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  waynetposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Wow Awesome!
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  wildernessposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  But it doesn't say where to get them.
  
  I'll just keep running the wife's razor over 'em I guess.
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  Bendo13posted 13 years agoin reply to this
  You can grow them yourself... they're usually called a "hardy" kiwi which can be grown almost anywhere... I know you can grow them in PA...
  
  You'll just need a male and a female vine and you're good to go.
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  agvulpesposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Lissie I think Earnest must have got confused I will have a serious talk to him
  However in all seriousness I do agree with his sentiments all of the way.
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  Dorsiposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  I agree Earnest. Lissie is one of the hubbers I respect the most. From the beginning she has always been supportive and helpful to me - and many many other hubbers here. She deserves the success she enjoys...any and all of it. I remember when her and I were both part time writers trying to figure out how to make a buck with our writing skills. She has done quite well...and I consider her a friend and someone to trust.
  
  Whatever affiliate links she provides on her sites are most likely ones she has tried and used herself - and believes in. And apparently, they work quite well for her because she has done considerably better than me income wise...I have not ventured as far as she has into the techie side of online writing.
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  earnestshubposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  She has never pushed herself as any type of expert either. Very matter of fact our lissie.
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  Dorsiposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Yes I LOVE this gal.
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sabrebIadeposted 13 years ago
Okay, five days in I have traffic down (about 3,000) BUT, profits are up.
Maybe Adsense is serving better matched, higher paying ads to my readers even though there are fewer people actually coming to the sites.
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  wildernessposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  I rather think that that is exactly what we're seeing. My CPC is way up in the last week and I'm seeing clicks the likes of which I haven't seen since Panda. HPads is up to the point that it seems even those ads may be paying better.
  
  It would seem that with higher ranking we're getting better ads as well.
  
  Give it another week and you should be seeing an increase in traffic as well - coupled with better ads income should rise considerably. Izzy reported this some time ago, and I'm finally seeing it as well.
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  PaulGoodman67posted 13 years agoin reply to this
  With respect, I could be wrong but I don't think it's better ads. Almost all the new traffic is organic, coming from search engines, and those people are much more likely to click on ads.
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  wildernessposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  You misunderstand. It's not the click through rate - how many people click per 1000 views - but the income per click that is up. Each click is worth more, on the average, than it has been in the recent past.
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  PaulGoodman67posted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Oh, ok, sorry. I can't say that I have experienced that personally. I have been getting lots of low scoring clicks since the subdomain change. Though I only have one HP ad on here as I am with the HP ads.
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cindyvineposted 13 years ago
Excuse my ignorance, I haven't been on here for a while and have missed all these subdomain discussions. I looked at the learning centre, read what it said, changed my hubs to subdomain, but I have to say I still have no idea what a subdomain is, why it is better for us, what it has to do with panda etc etc. Can someone please enlighten me so that I can know why I made the switch?
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  Mark Ewbieposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  They'll snip this but...
  
  http://markewbie.hubpages.com/hub/Why-S … -Fix-Panda
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  IzzyMposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  The whole site was being dragged down by the sheer volume of poor content, then one of the Paul's noticed that a mispelled url was ranking higher than the proper spelling - I think it was one that came out as ww. instead of www. So that got them thinking that maybe by creating subdomains and putting everyone on to their own subdomain the site might rise. So he contacted Google and they gave them the nod, and a test was done on the staff only with great results, so they did a trial of some hubbers, and that worked, so now they are in the process of changing the whole site over.
  It seems that those with good content should see a rise and those with poor content will stay low, so we'll no longer individually be responsible for other people's work.
  Basically.
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  MyWebsposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Here is an example that shouldn't get snipped since example.com isn't registered and never will be as it exists solely for testing and example purposes. (RFC 2606)
  
  No subdomain: http://example.com/
  "Subdomain" word is the subdomain part in the URL: http://subdomain.example.com/
  Multiple levels of subdomains: http://these.are.subdomains.example.com
  
  When you turn on subdomains on HP your username becomes the subdomain. Like http:/username.hubpages.com/
  
  To put it simply subdomains is an easy way for HP to separate out each persons content from other hubbers so it is seen individually through the eyes of Google.
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waynetposted 13 years ago
LOL yes, the stubble on the peach is just too much!! I much prefer a Nectarine as they is bald as a friar took hair style!!

And yes I have an article writing site!.....
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  mistyhorizon2003posted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Try thinking of the 'fuzzy bits' as extra fibre Wayne lol. (Didn't you mean Friar Tuck though??)
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  waynetposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Ah yes the Friar couldn't have took his hairstyle because he already had it! lol, typos!
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Rob Wintersposted 13 years ago
Switched few days back and traffic almost screamed to a halt - only google has re-indexed my hubs so far and a few views creeping back in slowly now.Hopefully some more improvement soon :0

P.S. The idea of biting into a hairy peach(no double entendres intended - that'd be a different story altogether) freaks me out.Go Go Nectarines!!
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Richieb799posted 13 years ago
I'll either wait until next weekend or when Hubpages changes everybody..not sure yet, I should get my 500,000 views accolade tomorrow
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  wildernessposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Judging from my results and others, I would bet that if you changed at the end of the month that the total for next month would be higher than this month even with a slow first week or so.
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  Richieb799posted 13 years agoin reply to this
  I may do that, sounds promising but I'll do it next Monday when this months done.
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  wildernessposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Sounds like that would be the best bet for you. If you do, keep us posted!
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  IzzyMposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Awww Richie, there isn't an accolade for 500,000! Congratulations on the figures, but you will need to wait for 1,000,000 for your next accolade.
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kmackey32posted 13 years ago
My traffic has more than doubled today but no clicks...horrable...
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Dorsiposted 13 years ago
Well I switched over a few days ago and am seeing weird activity on my hubs so something is changing. My hub on the Nigerian bank scam is soaring (it never has) and some other hubs are ramping up. Still about 600 views less a day but I hope to see this improve. I have a good feeling about this.
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mistyhorizon2003posted 13 years ago
For those whose traffic is up (myself included), I would suggest that none of us get too excited until the next Panda run, which is apparently every couple of weeks. I am concerned that it could very possibly reverse all the traffic increases from what I am hearing.

Another concern is that not many are reporting Adsense income increases, even if they have traffic increases, so isn't this a bit like picking the winning lottery numbers, and then finding out that everyone else did too, hence a non-existent payout (ever watch the film 'Bruce Almighty'?)!

I don't wish to depress everyone, and hope I am wrong, but also feel this was worth mentioning.
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  Will Apseposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Quite a few people have reported significant increases. My adsense trebled in the first week. It is now about double what I was getting before the change over. My Amazon income has also shot up.
  
  Maybe your hubs are not summer orientated (plenty of mine are), maybe something else. Whatever is happening- extra traffic will almost certainly translate into extra income somewhere along the line.
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cindyvineposted 13 years ago
Thanks for the explanations, enjoy the hairy peaches!
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IzzyMposted 13 years ago
My earnings have quadrupled. I'm still not seeing adsense back the way it was, but I don't expect it to while running Hubads.
Hubads has more than doubled, but it is my Amazon sales that have gone through the roof.
Some of that may be from my sites. I don't know since I didn't add channels to Amazon, but now that I have learned how to do that, any new stuff I posted with have a channel aff link in them, so in another month or so I should see where the sales are coming from.
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  CMHypnoposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Congratulations Izzy, glad that things have picked up for you, and that you are earning well again.
  
  I have had a bit of an increase in traffic, a small increase in HPad income, adsense is very erratic, and Amazon fairly much ground to a halt. I realise that this statement will have some people hissing, and say that I'm just trying to destroy HP by being negative, but for me it is the truth. I am very happy for the hubbers who have been put on turbo-charge since the sub-domain switch, but that has, unfortunately, not been my experience.
  
  And now all my totally innocent Ancient Egypt history hubs have been slapped with warnings about maybe being about multi-level marketing - so think twice before you use the word pyramid LOL!
  
  Anyway, I'm off back to finishing my novel. May the earnings force stay with you all!
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  Marisa Wrightposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  LOL, some of my bellydancing Hubs got unpublished because of the word belly,so I feel your pain! I did get them cleared though, so email the team as often as it takes!
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  IzzyMposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  That is crazy! Belly isn't even on this list - http://www.2600.com/googleblacklist/
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  Pcunixposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Ahh, but dancing..
  
  It leads to trouble..
  
  Isn't there an old joke about Baptists fretting about sex because it might lead to dancing?
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  IzzyMposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Dancing!!
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  Lisa HWposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Ew! I just looked at that list. It's kind of like "all the world's gross, crude, nastiness" in one, big, giant, list isn't it... That's not a list for someone who hasn't eaten breakfast to be reading. There needs to be a separate list for "borderline" words or "words that might trigger alarms even if they're 'innocent'" because a) the "iffy" words are the ones most people might be interested in, and b) a big list of "grossness" like that is enough to make some people want to claw their eyes out. (Note to self: "Don't try to learn new stuff about Google or Internet writing before lunch-time". )
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  CMHypnoposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Belly and pyramid - the true genesis of evil LOL! Well, we humans are very suggestible, so you never know where it may lead!
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  WriteAngledposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  This idiocy reminds me of that wonderful song by Flanders and Swann "Ma's out, Pa's out, Let's talk rude".
  http://www.cliff-colman.net/Flanders&Swann.htm
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  Sally's Troveposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  "Norman Mailer's coming to tea"...this has got to be one of the best one-liners about what this subdomain switch thing is. Too bad he's dead, because he would have a super-insightful perspective, like he did abut graffiti.
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  wildernessposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Consider that the only ones in the belly of a pyramid are really rather rotten people...
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  mistyhorizon2003posted 13 years agoin reply to this
  LOL re-pyramids, will have to keep an eye on my Egypt holiday hub as we visited the pyramids and I mention it in the article. If it is any consolation I had the same problem with an article I wrote on how to instal a rain water butt in your garden, the problem word being 'butt' of course. Managed to get it sorted at the time by emailing the HP Team.
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  CMHypnoposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  I have emailed, so hopefully the warnings will swiftly be removed! Butt being too rude is going a stretch though?
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  mistyhorizon2003posted 13 years agoin reply to this
  You would think so, but if 'Belly' was risky I suppose 'Butt' would be too, naturally I would advise anyone writing hubs now to avoid mentioning any body parts whatsoever, especially slang names for them, e.g. 'tootsies' for feet or 'bingo wings' for flabby upper arms etc
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michifusposted 13 years ago
I'm back to top for a few keywords I lost due to Panda now my profile has been read, so the change has certainly worked for me. Well done HP.

Well done Richie too. half a mil, PDG!
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michifusposted 13 years ago
send an email to the Hubpages team and they will be reinstated. I had the same thing happen on some of my hubs that mentioned the word belly. An overenthusiastic algorithm methinks.
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Peter Owenposted 13 years ago
Hi
I'm late to this topic due to vacations.
Is there a hub or link to tell me what the sub domain stuff is all about?
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  michifusposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Probably, but if you dont claim your name, you will be switched to the new subdomain anyway. best to do it now though, as it should increase your traffic.
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FloraBreenRobisonposted 13 years ago
It has definitely increased my traffic. Hubpages remains my top source for views. But number two by a long shot is my subdomain name that I put at the bottom of posts to fan clubs to which I belong.
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Stacie Lposted 13 years ago
well my traffic is dropping..I hope this is temporary..
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thisisoliposted 13 years ago
Why many of us are wrried that Sub Domains were not tested thoroughly enough.

Fact 1) Panda is a monthly update
Fact 2) Panda is a score given to a domain
Fact 3) Hubpages basically created 'new' domains for each author
Fact 4) Writers on the new domains have not yet had the Panda applied.
Fact 5) When Panda refreshes the new sub domains WILL have the panda applied.
Fact 6) No one knows as of yet how the panda update will effect these new domains, hence why many of us feel as though this was not thoroughly tested, as was promised.
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  Stacie Lposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  how do you know they weren't tested oli? and this is starting to concern me..
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  thisisoliposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  they did test, but I don't think it was done effectively.
  
  Think of it like this.
  
  Panda happened, Panda assigned a value to the Hubpages.com domain.
  
  New subdomains were created, these are essentially 'panda free'. What I would have liked to have known before hand is how panda affects subdomains, which is something we do not know yet.
  
  One major thing that Panda seems to pick up on is how 'broad' a domain is in terms of subject matter. For those of us who write on a large range of topics, this may mean we still get hurt by panda.
  
  Subdomains by Category would have been much more effective at reducing this problem. I believe that Hubpages new stricter policies on duplicate content will help overall as well.
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  Stacie Lposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  well I write a broad range of subjects so thats not good...
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  CMHypnoposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Since I write on anything from organic baby showers to 17th century plague pits, do you think that it would be better to create some different accounts and move stuff around?
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  girly_girl09posted 13 years agoin reply to this
  I would be curious to find out the answer to this, as well!
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  Bendo13posted 13 years agoin reply to this
  If it was by category then crappy people could drag down good writers... and if HubPages ranked well before Panda and it was waaaaaaay broad... and then we switch to subdomains... I don't think it's possible to be anywhere near as broad as the main domain was.
  
  Unless every single hub you post is on a completely different topic, I think you'll be just fine.
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  thisisoliposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Crappy people dragging down good writers has always been a problem, and plenty of analysis has shown that writing quality was not a huge part of Panda.
  
  Broad spectrum might not harm hubbers with only a few hubs, but if you have more than 50 and you cover several areas, then how is Google going to categorize you?
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  Bendo13posted 13 years agoin reply to this
  BUT it helps you build a better following when you hone in on your focus... people follow you usually because of one or two hubs of yours they really liked.
  
  So if you only write on that topic once then they'll soon realize it was a one time thing and stop following you. But if you only write on a couple different topics then your following will know what to expect, look forward to your posts and engage with it by commenting and so on.
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  thisisoliposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  What people think does not affect a panda penalty.
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  Silver Roseposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  It's the dates - the last run of Panda that we know of was July 17th. The hubpages subdomain test happened after that - July 23rd onwards for a couple of weeks.
  
  No-one knows what panda thinks of the new layout. I guess we shall find out when it is run again.
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  IzzyMposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  I was on the new subdomain on July 17th. On the 18th I saw a jump in traffic.
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  Silver Roseposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Sorry Izzy - my previous post had a typo, I've got July on the brain.
  
  The last panda was JUNE 17th. My understanding is that hubpages tested subdomains starting June 23rd for two weeks. And then in early July rolled them out to the rest of us. If you look at the forum post from Paul Edmonson that he wrote 12 days ago
  
  http://hubpages.com/forum/topic/78912
  
  he mentions that they tested for two weeks.
  
  So we haven't seen Panda run on the sub-domains yet
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  IzzyMposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  I'm going to go and cry now
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  Silver Roseposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Don't do that! let's hope for the best.
  
  My advice is don't slack off on your other projects, just in case. In a perfect world both hubpages and other projects will storm ahead. But if hubpages falls over again, at least you'll have something else, right?
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  IzzyMposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Right. I have sites and blogs which I would never have started if it hadn't been for Panda. I'm still in the learning experience - I would have liked if HP could be high for just a but longer.
  
  For HP to come back on form is a dream come true, but I think we have all learned not to keep all our eggs in the one basket now.
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  Bendo13posted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Yeah there have been no real long term tests... we are now the test subjects; all of us.
  
  It's like a doctor who gives out free samples of medicine... it's FREE! awesome... but wait, it wasn't really tested out yet? I'm the test subject? Oh, we'll see how it goes then... you say it will work... and I didn't pay anything for it... what could go wrong?
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  Paul Edmondsonposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  @thisisoli - from the very beginning of Panda we were tracking subdomain performance at a very small scale. A handful of subdomains went through several versions of Panda and performed well. As we expanded the test, we think a broader set has been through one if not two versions of Panda (Panda 2.3 last week). Testing this is a bit challenging because sometime performance can be different at various scales. At a small scale, we were confident the results were better and felt that the downside risk from where we were was low.
  
  We don't expect all content to do well once moved to a subdomain - each author's experience will be different. However, it is critical that good people have the opportunity to do well.
  
  Search engines are always evolving. We have access to some of the most knowledgeable people in the industry and while it's difficult to predict what the future holds, I believe HubPages is positioned very well to adapt and succeed.
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  IzzyMposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  So Panda 2.3 is responsible for the rise I saw in my stats in the few days before the subdomain change?
  
  I wondered if they had run an update, but couldn't find anything online.
  
  Anyway, good to know some subdomains have been through Panda updates with no slap.
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  thisisoliposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Thanks for the response Paul, I guess my biggest issue here is that the larger test group did not go throught the next Panda roll out, my particular are of interest being the people who did not write in a specific niche, but across a broad range of subjects.
  
  I missed the 2.3 rollout, I have been busy launching a PPC campaign, but I would love to know more about how this has benefited hubpages.
  
  My main issue is that I have lost a large portion of my hubpages earnings, so I really do want to see comprehensive testing before changes. I recently took the plunge to Subdomains and will be doing my own personal testing when I get a little free time, but I would rather be pro-active on this than fighting fires.
  
  I thinks it's safe to say that everybody who has hubs on here want earnings to increase again!
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FloraBreenRobisonposted 13 years ago
I am not going to forget about spam or copied content. It is one of my favourite things to do to flag spammers and content spinners so that they stop making money. Personally, I love my subdomain. BEfore I had it I didn't know who was reading my hubs because they heard about them through me telling people I was on hubpages and who saw me on search engines except for people who leave comments. and lots of people will read articles but not comment.
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FloraBreenRobisonposted 13 years ago
I am not going to forget about spam or copied content. It is one of my favourite things to do to flag spammers and content spinners so that they stop making money. Personally, I love my subdomain. BEfore I had it I didn't know who was reading my hubs because they heard about them through me telling people I was on hubpages and who saw me on search engines except for people who leave comments. and lots of people will read articles but not comment.
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  EmpressFelicityposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  You've always been able to track how many people read your hubs, regardless of the subdomain switch.
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  FloraBreenRobisonposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  I'm not talking about the number of people overall. Perhaps I'm just not wording this properly. I just recall anyone coming directly from my profile page before being listed as a source.
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  Bendo13posted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Do you mean that now you can see like if it comes from your own profile or subdomain then it has your name... if someone comes from someone else's hub then you see their name?
  
  I noticed that on mine... might be a cool way to find out who is linking to you.
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  FloraBreenRobisonposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  yes, that is what I mean. I find this new aspect interesting. For example, I have found that the hub I have that has been nominated has some views coming directly from RedElf's sub domain. She wrote this weks hubnugget hub. I have also seen a couple of my hubs have been linked to others hubs.
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  Jean Bakulaposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  I have seen some of my hubs linked to groups of other's hubs too. It looks like all my hubs have been indexed. My readership has gone down in general, but I seem to be getting readers on hubs that were not getting noticed before. I put almost equal work into all of them, they are mostly informational because I like to write. I wouldn't mind $$ though! But some hubs are showing up in places grouped by subjects, and mixed in with other people's work.
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  Bendo13posted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Also, if it shows yourname.hubpages.com it doesn't mean it's coming from just your profile... it could be a link from ANY of your hubs on your subdomain.
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FloraBreenRobisonposted 13 years ago
oops. I didn't mean to press post twice.
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IzzyMposted 13 years ago
Ollie's post worried me a bit - the possibility of our subdomains being 'Panda-ed'. I hadn't really thought of that, but they do still re-direct back to our original URLs so I don't know how that affects things, and there was a rise all week in stats before the subdomain came in.
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  PaulGoodman67posted 13 years agoin reply to this
  The tests were started with HP staff, before hubber "guinea pigs", then the rest of us, and have been running for much longer than a month? Whilst it's good to be aware, I see no cause for undue concern.
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  Marisa Wrightposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Paul, the thing is that Panda is NOT run constantly. It's something that Google runs every now and then.
  
  I had one website which was hit by Panda. I made a few changes to it (basically guessing why it was hit), but I had to wait till the next Panda run to find out if it worked (it did, thankfully - it's now back to normal).
  
  Same goes for HubPages. The last Panda was mid-June, and HP's performance didn't improve any in spite of all the changes that were made (which is a great pity, because it looks like HP alienated a large chunk of their best writers for nothing). The sub-domains weren't introduced until after that Panda run, so we won't know whether it's done any good until the next one.
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Mark Ewbieposted 13 years ago
I have difficulty sticking to a topic within a single page. Can't wait to see what Panda does to me next time it runs. Do we get a certificate like a school report?

"Mark has been poor all term. That's the only consistent thing we could find about his work. B-"
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  Sally's Troveposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Ho-ho! There are no standards given to us that we can try to measure up to. And that is a lot like school. I got busted for holding my sweetheart's hand in the hallway...forced to write 500 times, "I will not hold hands.." Nobody ever said it was a rule to not hold hands. Google slap of another order. Are we all children now in this realm?
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FloraBreenRobisonposted 13 years ago
I mean that I *cannot* recall...
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Rob Wintersposted 13 years ago
Just decided to do a backlink check on my hubs new subdomains.Backlinks have dropped from a couple of hundred per hub to single digits - Holy S***
Last time i checked only google had re-indexed my hubs.
Will i regain these backlinks when all search engines have reindexed them or do i have to start over?Anyone know.
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  IzzyMposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  The backlinks to your original hubs should still be there - there is a 301 re-direct in place still pointing to the original.
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Paradise7posted 13 years ago
Last time I checked, Google had NOT re-indexed my hubs, and I just don't know what to do about it. To check and see if Google has your hubs indexed, go to:
site.Google/hubbername.HubPages.com
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  swedalposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Try searching this site:paradise7.hubpages.com
  
  You show 150 indexed.
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Paradise7posted 13 years ago
PS, I don't think these backlinks will re-establish themselves without your help. I also believe I read that Panda will KILL your article if it has too many backlinks, for some reason I'm not sure I understand. If anyone has better or more expert info, please, please please POST! Thank you!
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  Pcunixposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  I have no knowledge that Panda dislikes excessive back links, but it would be wonderful if it did. Surely you are aware of people like Misha who would create thousands of fake back links to promote his pages?
  
  Google doesn't like to be gamed. I have no idea how they could distinguish fake back links from genuine, but if they thought they have a reliable way to do it, and can also spot a competitor trying to harm you with fake links to you, you can bet that they would. It does seem unlikely except in the case of quickly created links and I know the Misha's of the world are smart enough not to do that.
  
  So, short answer, maybe, but probably not. More likely that less value is assigned to repetitive vanilla linking from non-descrip sites and more value given to links from (for example) Wikipedia.
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  IzzyMposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Sorry you had to take a dig at Misha in this otherwise useful reply.
  
  I am still learning this game, but everything I am seeing still suggests that backlinks are the way to go, even self-serving ones.
  
  I HATE backlinking, but love writing.
  
  Sadly it still seems to me that those who game the system are still winning under Panda.
  
  Take a look for yourself. I started a blog called 'Top Best Selling Books' a couple of months ago (post-Panda you will note).
  
  Round about the same time, and I suspect after me (because the layout was identical, initially) someone else started a blog called Top Selling Books.
  
  Top Selling Books has no original content, everything is copy/pasted from Amazon. Obviously using the copy/paste feature it is much easier to add a lot more content.
  
  ALSO, this guy has made himself 1000 backlinks, in this short time. Easy to do using software, I've no doubt.
  
  Who is ranking higher? (post-Panda)
  
  Not me.
  
  Case FOR backlinking rested.
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  Pcunixposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Ayup. I would agree.
  
  I'm sorry that you think it is inappropriate to mention Misha's name in association with the fakery he quite cheerfully admits to doing,
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  IzzyMposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  He's only been gaming a system that has left itself wide open to gaming.
  
  I've found Misha to be helpful and open, same as yourself so I'm not putting you down here. He found a system that worked, that's all.
  
  You've been around long enough to know a system that worked. Respect!
  
  But if Panda was written to oust the gamers and copiers of the internet, it has failed spectacularly.
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  Pcunixposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  I'm sorry. I have no respect for that behavior. I have active contempt.
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  lrohnerposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  There is nothing morally, legally or ethically wrong with what Misha is doing, nor is he the only one on HP participating in aggressive backlinking. And let me add that his personal websites didn't sink like a rock post-Panda like yours did.
  
  Aggressive backlinking is no different than manufacturers incentivizing retailers to get more shelf space, offering "rebates" that they know 80% of consumers will bite at but never cash in or any other marketing and promotions tactic that goes on every single day across the country. I don't hear you b*tching about those perceived injustices because they don't hit your wallet. That's pretty shallow, if you ask me.
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  Pcunixposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  What Misha does IS morally wrong. That you think otherwise speaks volumes about you.
  
  But never mind squabbling about that.
  
  It looks to me that the subdomain switch is working. Yesterdays traffic reached levels I haven't seen since just before Panda. If it keeps increasing, I'll be very happy.
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  Will Apseposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  'There is nothing morally, legally or ethically wrong with ... aggressive backlinking'
  
  Well...
  
  You should tell that to the millions of people looking for worthwhile information everyday and finding dross, instead.
  
  Without the aggressive backlinkers who actively subvert Google search, using the web would be quicker and more profitable (in every sense) for all of us.
  
  If those 'aggressive backlinkers' put the same amount of time into researching and writing quality pages (instead of promoting trash) they might have more success too.
  
  The waste of resources inherent in the whole sorry off-page SEO nonsense is nauseating.
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  Eric Graudinsposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Yes, quality, credibility and honesty are really important on the net, aren't they Mr. Apse.
  
  And that's why I'm sure that you personally buy, test, and review from personal experience every item about which you have written a hub.
  
  To do otherwise would be totally dishonest.
  
  Because it would be just copying and collating stuff that other people have written about the products. And they're all sure to be lying, spinning, gaming scammy, spammers.
  
  Would you like to confirm to us all that you wouldn't stoop to doing anything like that, Mr. Apse?
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  Mrvoodooposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  I couldn't agree more. Having taken a look at some of these 'quality' product hubs, and seen nothing more than regurgitated Amazon descriptions, I saw no basis for taking the moral high ground what-so-ever.
  
  Diverting users from genuine product providers with thin keyword optimised content is gaming the system plain and simple. And I don't say this in judgement, as I also do it. But at least I'm big enough to admit that that's what it is.
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  Will Apseposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  If I was an SEO expert I would probably get upset and start lashing out at people over these kind of remarks. But I'm not. So I won't.
  
  Off-page SEO which was the original topic (and one the the SEO clique would like to avoid) is wasteful, depressing for everyone involved and undermines the information industry we all depend on.
  
  That last point cannot be labored too much. Those 'aggressive backlinkers' (Google manipulators and under-miners) are damaging all of us.
  
  Advertisers would soon shift their money into other areas if Google search ever really sank under the onslaught of spam and SEO engineered nonsense.
  
  'Aggressive backlinking' is not a crime without victims. Every writer, website designer and online business that relies on Google for their income is the potential victim.
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  thisisoliposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Is the government spying on you too?
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  Will Apseposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Did somebody say something?
  
  I thought not.
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  Eric Graudinsposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  You disappoint me, Mr. Apse. I expected a bit better.
  
  But your inability to comment on this matter tells us all we need to know.
  Have a nice day.
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  lrohnerposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Do you profile all people in this manner? Following your train of thought, if someone is more successful than you online, they must be aggresive backlinkers, therefore their content must be cr*p. Sheesh....
  
  I've read some of your hubs. Trust me -- "dross" is not exclusive to aggressive backlinkers.
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  frogdroppingposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  I guess you're more than qualified to assess an individual's ability, being an editor. Stay away from my stuff
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  scepticalposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL
  http://www.quantcast.com/funandsafedriving.com (hint : read it from LEFT to RIGHT)
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  Lisa HWposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  I don't think Panda (or it's "offspring" or cousins) are anywhere near finished with the gamers and copiers and other "iffy" stuff. I have a feeling it was a small "Step 1" (a tip of the iceberg) in an overall move to clean a lot of things up (for business reasons - nothing more honorable than that). I think any subsequent steps may have already been planned; but if they haven't, I think the first steps will make the need for subsequent ones apparent. Cleaning up something that's been seriously contaminated can take layers of filters.
  
  Personally, I'm concerned that I won't make it through the next, more immediate, filtration step (the next Panda run); but if I don't I'll clean up my own act/stuff and take it from there.
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waynetposted 13 years ago
This is why they should have tested it longer before enforcing it out there....I feel another update coming that could swing things further away. Traffic may have increased temporarily, earnings for me are the same as they was since the first Panda update. Though the hub ads are keeping things afloat....

Ideally it's either stay and ride it out or try and expand on our own sites and yeah backlinking is the way to go even still, if you wait until people eventually find your content and start to link to it, you'll be old,grey and bald before you see any results!

It's the age old fashioned arguement of build it and they will come which really doesn't apply anymore. There are competitors out there and you need to get in there before others do and keep on being innovative and creative with backlinking and promotion to remain the dominant niche marketer.
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  Bendo13posted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Backlinking before the subdomain switch, post Panda, was reallllly hard to get you anywhere on Google for new posts. I had a post on the second page of Yahoo and Bing but not even in the top 10 pages of Google and that was after a couple weeks of slow and steady backlinking.
  
  I hope things have and will change for the better.
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Dorsiposted 13 years ago
Yeah baby!! My Google traffic is roaring back!! The hubs that used to do well are coming back!!!!

YESSSSS!!!!!!
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  Richieb799posted 13 years agoin reply to this
  I might take the plunge into sub domains next Monday :S can someone post the link here to where I need to contact HP, I'll know where it is when the time comes then.. I want to wait until I've got this months Adsense balance first though.
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melbelposted 13 years ago
Does anyone know the date where everyone's account with be converted to the subdomain structure? Just curious, I already switched.
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  Richieb799posted 13 years agoin reply to this
  I'd like to know this also, I'm hoping its not before next Monday
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