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HubPages and eBay Update

  1. Paul Edmondson profile image
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    Paul Edmondsonposted 6 years ago

    We have an exciting new opportunity on HubPages to announce for the start of the holiday season.  Starting in October, members of the HubPages Earning Program will have the ability to earn by placing eBay shopping modules on Hubs.  You will sign-up to the eBay Publisher Network within your HubPages Earning Program account.  Your eBay earnings will be tracked and paid to you by HubPages.

    We will keep you posted with additional details as we get closer to launching.

    1. melbel profile image92
      melbelposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      You know, today I was sitting in the bath and I was thinking, "Hmmm, I wonder what HubPages is going to do with that whole Amazon thing... I bet something's going to happen with eBay, like it will be easier to get accepted or something."

      Straaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaange.

      1. Lissie profile image81
        Lissieposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        How is this a change? I've been paid by eBay for capsules on Hubpages for years?

        1. Aficionada profile image92
          Aficionadaposted 6 years ago in reply to this

          People (like me) who don't already have an eBay account have not been able to get one through HubPages.  That was not always the case, but it has been since I've been here.

          1. K9keystrokes profile image91
            K9keystrokesposted 6 years ago in reply to this

            Ditto

        2. Marisa Wright profile image95
          Marisa Wrightposted 6 years ago in reply to this

          Lissie, you'll note Paul says, "Your eBay earnings will be tracked and paid to you by HubPages" not by eBay.   So I assume it will be similar to HP Ads and means Hubbers won't need their own eBay account, which will solve a big problem for most newer Hubbers who can't get one.

          I assume that means all eBay capsules will become part of the new program, so it will no longer be possible to display our own eBay affiliate ID?

        3. vietnamvet68 profile image60
          vietnamvet68posted 6 years ago in reply to this

          It's just another way for Hubpages to RIP you off.

          1. Ania L profile image84
            Ania Lposted 6 years ago in reply to this

            If it's so bad why are you here? Or do you enjoy being ripped off wink

          2. DreamsInBloom profile image80
            DreamsInBloomposted 6 years ago in reply to this

            If I was able to get my own eBay account then I almost certainly would make more money that way...but eBay has become extremely picky about giving affiliate accounts now. So this actually gives me some ability to earn from eBay that I would not have otherwise. In fact, it opens whole new opportunities for me. I'm excited.

            1. profile image0
              gogogoposted 6 years ago in reply to this

              I agree, I was not able to get my own ebay acc.  looking forward to this

          3. galleryofgrace profile image81
            galleryofgraceposted 6 years ago in reply to this

            I'm with Ania L: You have accolades for 100 hubs, so why are there only 2 hubs in your profile. Looks like 98 were removed. Seems like I should be questioning whose ripping who off.

      2. Nagmani profile image60
        Nagmaniposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        can u tell me what's price for a click?

        1. Camping with Kids profile image76
          Camping with Kidsposted 6 years ago in reply to this

          ePn pays for the number of people that click on your link to go to ebay.

          ePn determines the value of that click based on what those people do when they get to ebay - how much income it generated for ebay

          a lookie-lou click has little value, a click that resulted in a sale has more value

          ePn averages that out for the month, then multiplies it by your total number of clicks for the month.

          for example:

          a QCV (quality click value) of 24 cents - times - 1839 clicks, gives an affiliate payout of $441.36

          GA

    2. AEvans profile image65
      AEvansposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      Nifty! Thanks again:)

    3. MSantana profile image76
      MSantanaposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      Paul: Is there any way that you promote partnerships among hub writers? e.g., good marketers with high rank/score writers in a way that everybody benefits from the site? Mastermind, collaborations, joint adventures, and other type of community collaborations can only strengthen the site. Thanks.

    4. the clean life profile image70
      the clean lifeposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      Thanks Paul and HubPages.  One more great thing from HP. Keep up the great work you do!

    5. tirelesstraveler profile image84
      tirelesstravelerposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      Is this decision part of the deal between Amazon and CA to forgo tax if Amazon brings jobs to CA?

      1. Greekgeek profile image96
        Greekgeekposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        What deal? I'm still missing my old Amazon Associates account, shut down after CA passed the Nexus Tax in June.

        1. WannaB Writer profile image94
          WannaB Writerposted 6 years ago in reply to this

          Same here. Either I'm missing something or there is no affiliate plan in place I can use to make money on HubPages until this eBay opportunity is revealed. I'd rather write than sell, but aside from contests and ads, I currently have no way I'm aware of to earn anything from HubPges, since it isn't very Zazzle friendly.

          1. Marisa Wright profile image95
            Marisa Wrightposted 6 years ago in reply to this

            You make money on HubPages with Adsense and the HubPages Ad program.  For most Hubbers, those are their big earners, with Amazon and eBay income much less even if they use affiliates.

            If you're in a state that allows it, you can use Amazon capsules.  You can also use affiliate links to reputable companies in your text (but no banners, and no Clickbank).

            1. WannaB Writer profile image94
              WannaB Writerposted 6 years ago in reply to this

              Maybe most people do, but I won't see an Adsense payout for at least another year at this rate. HubPages Ad programs is better, but I can still make more per day on myLot with a lot less effort. It's still peanuts, and there's not residual income, but it adds up much faster. Squidoo offers me the opportunity to promote my Zazzle store with Zazzle images that show on a lens and help illustrate it and add eye appeal. That's very difficult on HubPages. I have been let go by amazon, since I live in CA. I hate affiliate marketing except for Zazzle, but it's affiliate sales that those who don't get the most page views rely on for most of their income from lenses and hubs -- as far as I know.

              1. Marisa Wright profile image95
                Marisa Wrightposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                I'm surprised.  Once you've written your Hubs, surely HubPages is no effort at all?  You do understand that the only things that make you money on HubPages is your Hubs - you don't enhance your earnings in any way by commenting on other people's Hubs, asking questions, answering, being on the forums etc?   All those activities are sociable and do good things for your scores, but scores have nothing to do with earning.

                I see you've been here for two years, but have you been active that long?  You have a very small HubPages portfolio for being here two years.

                1. WannaB Writer profile image94
                  WannaB Writerposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                  I was largely inactive my first year, and my prime writing site was Squidoo. I realize that Squidoo and HubPages make residual income and continue to earn by page views. Sometimes comments and interactions bring people back for more pageviews. I know that, otherwise, they don't earn anything extra but might add some more keywords.

                  Since I'm busy at many sites, I have to alternate between them, since I also run a home business that involves constant updating of a 600-page website, selling inventory I have to keep in stock, and shipping. I write in my spare time. I have written three new hubs this week. I have not done much at Squidoo this week at all. The rest of my time I've spent at myLot, for the past two weeks, trying to establish myself there so I can then cut back when I reach my current goal. I realize I will need many more hubs before I really start making anything here, but I do believe some people must get some affiliate sales here, since they do list items from Amazon and eBay. Those sales are what make most people their money on Squidoo, since only the top 80,000 lenses get any of the Adsense money there. I assumed the same might be true here.

                  My goal for this year was to write one hub or lens every week, work on my web site, add on the average one new Zazzle product a day, and contribute as I feel inspired to other sites. Thus my inactivity on HubPages sometimes. When I don't have time to actually write a hub, I like to stay active in the community in other ways, as I have time. Everything isn't about  money.

                  1. Marisa Wright profile image95
                    Marisa Wrightposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                    I understand that on Squidoo, if you're not active in the community your lenses can disappear into obscurity.  On HubPages, social activity makes no significant difference.



                    Not necessarily.  There was one Hubber here, pre-Panda, who was cashing out every month with only 6 Hubs.  It does help to create some links to your Hubs to get them ranking, though.

    6. LhouvieBlue profile image56
      LhouvieBlueposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      I so happy to hear this news, I'm looking forward on it.

    7. Musarrat Khalid profile image59
      Musarrat Khalidposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      Great News for us to make some money sitting at home.

    8. Brian Anderson profile image90
      Brian Andersonposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      Great to hear..  Looking forward to it..

    9. Gunnar22 profile image59
      Gunnar22posted 6 years ago in reply to this

      I am new to this just posted my first hub today. I am having difficulty setting up the ebay deal. Not sure what they mean about creating a text file through text editor or Upload the file to the base directory. Any advise?

      1. leahlefler profile image98
        leahleflerposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        Hi Gunnar22 - currently new HubPages members (including myself) can't get an eBay account with HP alone - if you own your own website, you can incorporate the text file to prove you are the website owner and obtain an eBay account. eBay used to allow HP users to create associate accounts at whim, and stopped that practice some time ago. It looks like a new deal is being created, so new HP members will be able to have eBay capsules added to their hubs at some point in the future.

        1. Gunnar22 profile image59
          Gunnar22posted 6 years ago in reply to this

          I do have a website and they sent me an email. I just don't know how to incorporate a text file. I am not even sure what a text file is. How do I do that and what program do I need to do a text file?

          1. leahlefler profile image98
            leahleflerposted 6 years ago in reply to this

            OK - you have to find the root directory and copy and paste the code eBay gave you into it. glennstok has an article about how to incorporate your eBay partner account into hubpages: http://glennstok.hubpages.com/hub/Probl … ation-eBay

            1. Gunnar22 profile image59
              Gunnar22posted 6 years ago in reply to this

              Thanks, I will try that. I appreciate your assistance.

        2. ninabillian profile image59
          ninabillianposted 6 years ago in reply to this

          Thanks a lot, i will try it

    10. kannanwrites profile image83
      kannanwritesposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      That's excellent Paul.

    11. LiamBean profile image88
      LiamBeanposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      Thanks for keeping us apprised Paul!

    12. rrtalley profile image60
      rrtalleyposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      I use the Amazon capsule to promote my own book, "Child on the Home Front".  Looking forward to using the new eBay capsule to do the same there since I already list my book on eBay.  Thanks for the additional advertising tool!

    13. AliciaMarie27 profile image61
      AliciaMarie27posted 6 years ago in reply to this

      This is excellent! I was wondering when this option would become available! Thank you for sharing this wonderful news! smile

    14. ellsaku profile image59
      ellsakuposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      yeah i agree with you, very supportive and very good indeed everything updated

    15. SuperheroSales profile image62
      SuperheroSalesposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      Paul, I appreciate you all creating more opportunities for us to earn!  I am very excited and can't wait to hear more details!  Thank you for giving me something to look forward to!

      To those who are worried about the change, think of the quote "I've had a lot of worries in my life, most of which never came true!"  Try not to worry too much (easier said than done, I know). Things will unfold the way they were meant to unfold and there is no sense in worrying about it when you have no idea how things will turn out.  It sounds like things are already in motion.  Good luck to you all!

      1. This Old Man Says profile image60
        This Old Man Saysposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        I am real new to HUB Pages and I have  a WEB site that was hosted by Website Business Inc. It appears they have gone out of business and I need to open a new WEB site. I am really impressed with my early experience with HUB Pages and now this forum. I want to compliment your positive outlook on life. I agree that being depressed about a change you have no control or reference on how it will affect you is needless depression and anxiety. Be positive about the change and more than likely you will enjoy the results. Predicting the results is a gamble and now you play the odds. You may not enjoy the results!

    16. JYOTI KOTHARI profile image71
      JYOTI KOTHARIposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      Hubpages is doing well for its users. It is becoming more and more user friendly.

    17. liftandsoar profile image82
      liftandsoarposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      When I try to sign up with EBay I get the following:

      Unfortunately, eBay has changed the terms of their affiliate program and you will not be approved unless you operate a site on it's own domain. Do not bother applying using your presence on HubPages. However, if you do run a site on your own domain, you can use this link to signup for the eBay Partner Network.

      Now what?

      1. Glenn Stok profile image94
        Glenn Stokposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        liftandsoar - Wait until October when HP will announce the eBay program under the HubPages Earning Program. You will be able to sign up for it successfully at that time that way. In addition, you'll get tracking and payments direct from HP.  Much better.

        1. liftandsoar profile image82
          liftandsoarposted 6 years ago in reply to this

          Thanks!

    18. profile image0
      gogogoposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      looking forward to the launch of ebay on hubpages, as I have not been able to sign up for the present ebay

  2. Aficionada profile image92
    Aficionadaposted 6 years ago

    Wow! Thanks!

  3. K9keystrokes profile image91
    K9keystrokesposted 6 years ago

    I am thrilled by this announcement Paul! What a great move for HPads. As for melbel,...can you please let me know what my future will be? wink
    Thanks for another earning opportunity on HP! smile

  4. Len Cannon profile image88
    Len Cannonposted 6 years ago

    How will this effect my current ebay programs?  Will I not be earning through their current PPC program anymore ?

    1. Mrvoodoo profile image58
      Mrvoodooposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      I would also appreciate an answer to this question.  Presumably the long-running, and established ebay capsules system is still business as usual?

      1. vietnamvet68 profile image60
        vietnamvet68posted 6 years ago in reply to this

        It's just another Hubpages way of getting rich off of you, while you make peanuts.

        1. Mrvoodoo profile image58
          Mrvoodooposted 6 years ago in reply to this

          Is that so?  I may be critical of some of HP's decisions, but they've not (completely) lost my trust, just yet.

          I've done quite nicely from HP over the years in terms of dollar, and so presumably, they've also done quite nicely from my efforts too.  It's symbiotic.  And as long as it remains that way, I shan't be cutting all ties for the moment.

          Though, I am still concerned about the coming ebay changes, should they affect me.  Which, unfortunately, my guess is they will. hmm

        2. This Old Man Says profile image60
          This Old Man Saysposted 6 years ago in reply to this

          I am a retired disabled US Marine  and it appears by your name that you are also a VET. I was retired in 1966. I want to thank you for your service and wish you well. I have read several of your postings and you sound depressed with HUB Pages. I hope things change for the better. I am not pretending to be your answer in any way, I just want to wish you the best,

    2. Jason Menayan profile image59
      Jason Menayanposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      We are still working out the final details with eBay.  As we get closer to launch of the opportunity in October, we will continue to update the community.  To the extent any changes are required for existing eBay modules, we will communicate those in advance and allow for plenty of time for Hubbers to make updates.

      1. Mrvoodoo profile image58
        Mrvoodooposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        I kind of wish that this hadn't been announced until all of the final details were available.  As I've been working on quite a few new ebay focused hubs recently (and have ebay on most of my existing hubs). And It would be nice to know that this 'exciting' update isn't going to present me with problems.  I already have lots of questions:

        * If you're not a member of the Hubads program will you no longer be able to utilise ebay?
        * If you don't have Hub ads turned on, will you no longer be able to utilise ebay?
        * Will ebay earnings under the new system be grouped in with Hubads earnings, or kept seperate? 
        * Will our earnings still be worked out separately using our own quality scores/EPC's (and be affected by traffic sent to ebay via other platforms), or based on Hubpages quality as a whole, or revert back to the old system of a percentage (I believe it was 50%) of ebays takings, or something else?
        * Presumably we'll lose access to the statistics available within the ebay partner reports, or will there be detailed stats available within HP (and I do mean detailed, showing what hub made sales, what items, etc.)?
        * Could this mean having to once again go back through every single hub with ebay on to make changes?

        Just for starters.

        I understand that this could be a great opportunity for those who currently don't have access to the ebay program, I just hope that it doesn't mess things up too badly for those who are already (and have been for some time) using it quite effectively as it stands.

        1. Camping with Kids profile image76
          Camping with Kidsposted 6 years ago in reply to this

          @ mrvoodoo - I share your concerns, especially with ebay earnings determined by QCP. I would not be happy if mine was diluted due to clicks diverted through HP for payout.

          Normally I am not an pessimists - but with HP's all-or-nothing approach to previous fixes - I am concerned individual ePN accounts will be scrapped in favor of ALL ebay capsule earnings going through the HP Earnings program.

          I have other ePN streams, that combined with HP clicks, usually achieve a respectable QCP number. Subtract the clicks from  HP and it will mean one more thing I have to re-source.

          I'm glad it will help HP members that could not get an ePN account, but I won't be happy if they get theirs at my expense.

          GA

          "Pay attention HP, don't follow in ebay's footsteps"

          GA

          1. Marisa Wright profile image95
            Marisa Wrightposted 6 years ago in reply to this

            I'm not sure what you mean by "diluted"?  I very much doubt clicks will be "diverted through" HP for payout.  If HP introduce a central system, it would be totally separate from our personal eBay accounts so it wouldn't affect them in any way.



            I'd say that's a high possibility, since it could be complicated to enable one capsule to work for either the HP eBay program or our personal ones.



            Are you saying you're getting a better number on HP than on your other streams?  eBay doesn't really care about quantity, just quality - so losing your HP stream won't matter that much, if you're getting reasonable quality on your other streams.

            1. Mrvoodoo profile image58
              Mrvoodooposted 6 years ago in reply to this

              Disagree completely.  As long as it's engaged, and not just junk traffic you're sending through, quantity, can very much be a factor used to determine the quality of an account. In terms of an incoming traffic (potential customer) stream.

              I use ebay.de elsewhere to target a specific rare, and quite expensive item.  But even though a relatively high percentage of the visitors I send through convert, because it's only a handful (at best) each day, it doesn't make me a huge amount of money.  I make far more at times from campaigns that send through more traffic, but make considerably less winning bid revenue for ebay.  Because presumably, this traffic must be 'engaged' in other ways.  Bidding but not winning, adding items to watch lists, just generally having a good snoop around before leaving, etc.

              Without quantity, it can be difficult to establish quality.

              1. Marisa Wright profile image95
                Marisa Wrightposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                I thought QPC was calculated almost entirely on your conversion rate (i.e. how many clicks result in a sale).

      2. mistyhorizon2003 profile image91
        mistyhorizon2003posted 6 years ago in reply to this

        Oh God, not more updates please..... sad

        1. Marisa Wright profile image95
          Marisa Wrightposted 6 years ago in reply to this

          It will be a right royal pain if we have to do more updates, but I recognize it's essential.

          There must be very few Hubbers who are eBay affiliates in their own right these days, so the inconvenience to us will be more than offset by the benefit to the majority.

      3. Elijah S profile image72
        Elijah Sposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        If some details are still being negotiated, perhaps it is possible to suggest (a detail) that existing affiliates would have the option to keep their independent accounts. Judging from the responses, this seems to be the preferred course of action, and I'm joining the others in this. Though still a "plunger," I hope to regain my traffic and earnings.

        Regardless, this sounds like a great opportunity for hubbers, and certainly increases Hubpages' appeal to writers. It appears that lately eBay have been very picky about their prospective affiliates, and the team's ability to strike a deal with them is quite impressive.

      4. Janet21 profile image61
        Janet21posted 6 years ago in reply to this



        I am a member of EPN and am very happy with what I earn through the Ebay capsules.  Now, you are saying there may be changes to these capsules?  Why can't the new program be just for those that can't get accepted into EPN and leave the rest of us alone?  The last thing I want to do is have to update all my hubs AGAIN.

        By the way, Squidoo calls them modules,  Hubpages calls them capsules.  Just fyi.

        1. DreamsInBloom profile image80
          DreamsInBloomposted 6 years ago in reply to this

          I agree. I don't have the EPN so I am looking forward to being able to use an eBay capsule on Hubpages (sharing some of those earnings with Hubpages is better than none)...BUT I don't want those who currently have the EPN (or those who get it in the future) to have the ability to use it taken away from them. I'd like for them to continue to get their full affiliate earnings rather than share it with Hubpages if they can. We'll just have to wait and see what Hubpages plans to do though.

  5. Joe Macho profile image94
    Joe Machoposted 6 years ago

    This sounds great. I've been wanting to get in on Ebay capsules, but as I newer member, I couldn't get into the program. I'm excited to see it happen.

  6. Wayne Tully profile image52
    Wayne Tullyposted 6 years ago

    What will happen to those who were terminated from the Ebay affiliate program like me and a few others? Would this be a second chance to sign up or be approved?

    1. Jason Menayan profile image59
      Jason Menayanposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      Yes, this will be a new opportunity for Hubbers to join the eBay Publisher Network.

      1. Wesman Todd Shaw profile image91
        Wesman Todd Shawposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        I have a question.  What will be the text to e bay capsule ratio?

        1. Jason Menayan profile image59
          Jason Menayanposted 6 years ago in reply to this

          Same as for Amazon: 50 words per product. smile

          1. Wesman Todd Shaw profile image91
            Wesman Todd Shawposted 6 years ago in reply to this

            Thank you!!! :-)

      2. Wayne Tully profile image52
        Wayne Tullyposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        Jolly Good Jason Cheers! big_smile

  7. cardelean profile image89
    cardeleanposted 6 years ago

    Sounds like a great addition.  Does it work similar to Amazon where you choose the items and then you get a percentage of the sales?

  8. profile image0
    Amie Warrenposted 6 years ago

    I never had eBay, so this may be worth signing up for HubPages ads. I was thinking of doing more product pages, so this could be good.

    I really would like to know what the cut will be, not that it matters, because I'd have to accept it no matter what.

    I like this.

  9. Beth100 profile image85
    Beth100posted 6 years ago

    Excellent and exciting news!!  I missed the boat on eBay previously (by about two weeks! I was a little slow in signing on... ) but am anxious to get on with it (eBay that is).

    Looking forward to new and better!

    smile

  10. Paul Edmondson profile image
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    Paul Edmondsonposted 6 years ago

    We will put together a faq on this and have it out a week or two before we launch.  Thanks for the questions.

  11. habee profile image89
    habeeposted 6 years ago

    YAY!!!!!

  12. emievil profile image79
    emievilposted 6 years ago

    Wow! I'm excited with the news! Hope to see the FAQs really soon smile

  13. Will Apse profile image88
    Will Apseposted 6 years ago

    More affiliate temptations. I was pure in heart and soul before I arrived on this site. Now anyone can have me for a dollar a click.

  14. EmpressFelicity profile image80
    EmpressFelicityposted 6 years ago

    I joined this site at a stage when it was impossible for people to become eBay affiliates solely on the strength of their HubPages account, so for me personally it's great news. I have a few hubs that are crying out for eBay items.

    But I do see why people with stand-alone eBay affiliate accounts are concerned.

  15. Rik Ravado profile image91
    Rik Ravadoposted 6 years ago

    As a member of the existing Ebay program I share concerns of others - Good Questions Mrvoodoo!  I'm not currently running HubAds so hope flexibility is still there to run with AdSense plus Ebay without HubAds.

    1. Mrvoodoo profile image58
      Mrvoodooposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      I'm not sure why this was announced so early, if there are no answers available to the questions that such an announcement were bound to bring. 

      And while I don't want to get too pessimistic too soon, I sense that we're about to get f***ed over again. The loss of access to the EPN reports for Hubpages traffic/sales alone would be a major loss, if replaced with a thin back-end display similar to that of the HUbads.  And having to manually edit hundreds of hubs again would be beyond painful.

      Of course this is all just worst case speculation, but with no real answers, what else can we do.  Best case scenario, HP allow those of us who have been using EPN for years with our own standalone accounts (and who wish to continue in this manner) to continue doing so, but I'd be surprised if this were to happen... hmm

      1. Len Cannon profile image88
        Len Cannonposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        Yeah, I hate to be a Debbie Downer because this is really great news for people who weren't able to get into eBay but I feel like I am justifiably concerned.  Maybe it will work out great but I'd hate to be stuck on like, 3 cents per click because HubPage users, on the whole, don't provide useful clicks.

      2. relache profile image86
        relacheposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        I'm quite concerned about this as well.

        1. lakeerieartists profile image73
          lakeerieartistsposted 6 years ago in reply to this

          I agree.  I have a long standing ebay account, and would not like to see it damaged.

  16. sunforged profile image70
    sunforgedposted 6 years ago

    hmm, a bit scary, there was a pretty direct question in this thread ..

    "Will existing ePn publishers be unaffected by "new opportunity"


    Those of us with ePn accounts may be happy for the rest of you, but a forced ePn association solely through HP ads would be a terrible step backwards if you have already have an independent account.

    A "pot" of ePn ads by multiple Hp authors would likely have a pretty pitiful quality rating and the clicks will be worth nearly nothing.



    ^ A simple yes/no would suffice, HP staff!

    1. livewithrichard profile image85
      livewithrichardposted 6 years ago in reply to this


      I'm concerned about this as well because I for one am not going to put my ePN in a "pot" with others.  My epc hasn't been less than .13 in the past year and I'm not about to loose out on that income. Luckily I have other websites where I promote ebay so if I have to I will remove it all from my hubs.

    2. Mrvoodoo profile image58
      Mrvoodooposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      Silence speaks volumes?

  17. Rosie2010 profile image76
    Rosie2010posted 6 years ago

    I've never had an eBay account and I don't have a lot of product hubs.  But, anything that may increase our earning potential is always welcome.  Thanks, Hubpages!!!

  18. leahlefler profile image98
    leahleflerposted 6 years ago

    I'm excited about the ability to use eBay for my product hubs - Amazon still allows affiliates in NY state, but I have a feeling that will also come to an end some day - NY State has been collecting sales tax from Amazon for a long time.

  19. paradigmsearch profile image84
    paradigmsearchposted 6 years ago

    A thought: smile

    HP could have a special word we could put into the tags to indicate that the author has written a hub for the specific purpose of  being buried in ebay ads. I would imagine that those who've lost their amazon accounts (like me) would especially like that. smile

  20. Howard S. profile image84
    Howard S.posted 6 years ago

    This sounds really cool. I don't have an eBay account, but do have eBay capsules in several of my hubs. Yesterday I was tweaking, and each time I encountered an eBay capsule, I clicked the "don't display" box rather than delete the capsule. Ya never know what might happen...like this new development. Grrreat!

  21. profile image60
    Todd D. Schmidtposted 6 years ago

    It sounds wonderful. Thanks for sharing the news.

  22. ladyhowto4u profile image76
    ladyhowto4uposted 6 years ago

    The eBay addition is good news for me! I was wondering why all the hoopla about eBay and why I could not be an eBay affiliate.  I hope eBay will be as simple to use as the Amazon capsules!

  23. GmaGoldie profile image84
    GmaGoldieposted 6 years ago

    I am so glad to hear this!  I have included eBay throughout my Hubs even though there was no payout. 

    Hurray!  Great job to HP staff!  Keep the income streams moving towards us! 

    Thank you very much!

  24. Debby Bruck profile image85
    Debby Bruckposted 6 years ago

    Looking forward to complete instructions on how to add Ebay capsules and link to Ebay identity. How are they best used? Does it mean we promote selling items on Ebay from other sellers? Sorry if these are basic questions.

  25. paradigmsearch profile image84
    paradigmsearchposted 6 years ago

    Rant. Too tired. Nevermind, I think HP is doing fine,

  26. Howard S. profile image84
    Howard S.posted 6 years ago

    Could we add a "broken link" feature that works for eBay and Amazon capsules? I hate it when I open a hub and discover the declaration: "no matching products found." This shouldn't be much different from the existing feature that flags broken hyperlinks to other websites and videos. This doesn't have to be part of the initial roll-out, but could be a desirable follow-up.

    1. Peggy W profile image91
      Peggy Wposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      Great idea Howard S. if this is possible.

  27. rambabu007 profile image59
    rambabu007posted 6 years ago

    This is very nice post.You know today what happened. I was sitting my room and thinking about my dreams that what can do what are my limition.Suddenly I think about Hubpages in which i make my own Hub ,that how it can help my to complite my dreams.

  28. Ania L profile image84
    Ania Lposted 6 years ago

    Great news, thank you.
    As a new hubber I can see that HP Ad program is much better way for me. It started getting impressions while I'm still waiting for googles to be accepted. I didn't even try to join eBay yet as I have no website to use for my private account. So this would be very beneficial for me and other new hubbers in similar situation.

  29. Green Lotus profile image60
    Green Lotusposted 6 years ago

    Good timing for me personally, HP! I've been grooming a new blog specifically for eBay but haven't signed up yet. I'm sure you'll get all the kinks out before the program goes into effect. Making an early announcement is smart as you're getting some crucial feedback from Hubbers with legitimate concerns. Thanks for presenting this opportunity again!

  30. kmackey32 profile image79
    kmackey32posted 6 years ago

    Oh this is great news....

  31. ripplemaker profile image87
    ripplemakerposted 6 years ago

    yay! great news!

  32. Peggy W profile image91
    Peggy Wposted 6 years ago

    Sounds great.  When I first started writing, I was not approved for an Ebay account and have never tried signing up again.  I am assuming under the new HubPages umbrella that this will be more easily facilitated?  Thanks for all your efforts at increasing income opportunities for us.  smile

  33. Sandyspider profile image44
    Sandyspiderposted 6 years ago

    So this means that I don't have to have an eBay affiliate account. Right?

    1. Mrvoodoo profile image58
      Mrvoodooposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      Unfortunately they can't answer your question.  Because to do so would be to admit that they've intentionally ignored everybody else's questions (which is essentially what's happened). big_smile

      This is HP 2011.  A very different beast from when good ol' Maddie used to be just part of the team. wink

      1. Sandyspider profile image44
        Sandyspiderposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        Good point!

    2. Howard S. profile image84
      Howard S.posted 6 years ago in reply to this

      Mrvoodoo has asked some very thought-provoking questions, but he missed the answer to this one. It was in the initial announcement: "You will sign-up to the eBay Publisher Network within your HubPages Earning Program account."

      1. Camping with Kids profile image76
        Camping with Kidsposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        But how do you reconcile that with the statement that payout will be through HP's ad program?

        Could this be an arrangement similar to the 60/40 split where ALL ebay sales will be on HP's account, and then their code will determine split to go to hubbers??????

        GA

        1. Marisa Wright profile image95
          Marisa Wrightposted 6 years ago in reply to this

          Yes that's exactly how I would expect it to work.

          1. Camping with Kids profile image76
            Camping with Kidsposted 6 years ago in reply to this

            Which means that ebay clicks through HP will NOT count towards the QCP of our own ePn values... (for me - HP is a large click source)

            which means a decrease in income....  because the QCP value is a multiplier value.

            Sure wish I could be optimistic about this.

            GA

            1. Marisa Wright profile image95
              Marisa Wrightposted 6 years ago in reply to this

              I have my different sites set up as different campaigns.  The whole purpose of campaigns is so that the QCP of one campaign doesn't affect the QCP of another.  I can understand that if you have everything under one campaign and HP is a big part of it, that will certainly make a big difference.

              1. Camping with Kids profile image76
                Camping with Kidsposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                @Marissa - Firstly, I AM NOT positive about this, but I don't think that is correct.

                ebay sees your ePn account as one publisher account that consists of different campaigns.

                The "campaign" function is just a tracking and report function, not a segregation of click values - in ebays mind.

                At the end of the month, all campaign results are combined to give a single publishers click value multiplier for your payout.

                In the reference I will give below, it even discusses how a non-performing campaign can bring down your overall QCV..

                I looked at several sources, and although this one primarily focuses on ACRU's, it does go on  to explain campaigns, and was the least technical of others I perused.

                Here is what I think is a relevant quote:
                A word of caution about a major factor that may crash your ebay score.

                Most often ebay affiliates have several niche stores which are either in the making or on hold, while simultaneously running other stores already pulling in visitors. But if suppose you have your campaign ID attached to the unfinished projects, your score might just drop to the bottom because of them. For ebay they are still campaigns which are not engaging any traffic at all and they will count. And since you will be evaluated at a publisher level, ebay will not take that for an excuse. Hence if at all you have stores in the making, don't tag a campaign ID or archive them temporarily in the ebay partner network campaign dashboard. When you are completely ready and confident of visitors and sales, launch it back in action. Again taking the example of grades in school, it's never about how many chapters have you memorized or the number of words in your vocabulary. It's always about how you have performed in your hour long examination and your overall performance report.


                The full article is here:
                eBay Partner Network Campaign

                ps. I too use campaigns for different sites and streams, but have always understood them to be only useful as tracking and reporting tools - which I still believe is the case.

                pss. my HP campaign is a strong contributor to my QCV , - if it is not recorded as clicks under MY publisher's account - it will surely reduce my QCV until I can pull the articles over to my own sites. Plus the headache of the new sites I will have to develop for the niches currently on HP.

                Alas, I will try to remain guardedly hopeful, but I am very concerned. I do not want to abandon HP, I like it here, and HP has been good to me, (I also think the traffic I have drawn is good for HP too - so it's not a one-way street), but I'm in it for the money, so my time must be spent in the most productive venues.

                GA

                1. Marisa Wright profile image95
                  Marisa Wrightposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                  I obviously need to do some more research on this! 

                  I have to admit, I haven't looked at any of this since QCP was introduced.  At that time, I was clearly told to separate my websites into campaigns - not for ease of tracking, but to segregate click values.  Maybe something has changed or maybe I just got bad advice!

                2. MSantana profile image76
                  MSantanaposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                  Could you explain a bit more how this may work or someone from the staff. There is this 60/40 split that I am never sure how is balanced, e.g, when traffic is high does it goes to HP or to both? And is it true that followers can't click on your ads. If it is not content/or scores/or contributing to the community what helps people to earn revenues then what is more appropriate to sell gadgets? If we could attach ebay publisher now, would that be a better move than to wait for the hb association. Sorry, I am very lost with so much things going back and forth. It seems that people have created a mythology that is not well explained in the learning center. I do think there shall be some mentor-mentee system here, instead of leaving it all to interminable threads. A video series or webinars may work too.

                  1. Camping with Kids profile image76
                    Camping with Kidsposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                    @MSantana - That's a large request. I have found the learning center help hubs to be very helpful. Check them out, by topic of interest.

                    Also, do a hub search with your question topics - lots of experienced hubbers have written a wealth of How-to earn hubs.

                    But the condensed version is:
                    1. The 60/40 split means that when a hub is viewed - 60% of the time all affiliate and impression values will be attributed to you - 100% of any revenue generated. 40% of the hub views will give HP 100% of any revenue generated.  The choice of who gets the impression is randomly generated. EACH TIME a hub is visited, the random generator spins and either attributes the impressions to you, or HP.  But the "random" assignment is programmed to come out in your favor 60% of the time.

                    2. No, followers should NOT click on ads just to benefit you. They should only click them if they are interested in the ad, and would do so even if they saw them somewhere else.

                    3. Getting hub views, ie. "traffic" is how you earn - from any of the programs, affiliate or impression. So getting traffic to your hubs is the way to earn.

                    4. If you have an ePn account, (3 years???), and have not already activated it on hubpages, personally, I would hold off until this new ebay "arrangement" is finalized.

                    5. As for the mentor - mentee thing, there is more than enough helpful info and hubbers available, just make the effort to find it without expecting someone to lead you by the hand. (not intended to be harsh, just truthful)

                    ps. The help center does have videos

                    GA

  34. Purple Perl profile image80
    Purple Perlposted 6 years ago

    Thanks to all @ Hubpages once again!!!

  35. profile image58
    qiupeizhiposted 6 years ago

    I so happy to hear this news, I'm looking forward on it.

  36. glendoncaba profile image80
    glendoncabaposted 6 years ago

    So ordinary folk like me will finally get some eBay income.  Quite promising.

  37. PRanj profile image60
    PRanjposted 6 years ago

    Hubpages will going to take a different rule because of changed scenario. At leasr for one year, they aren't going to see any problem with Amazon. I think this ebay stuff will not take place for at least six months....

    http://www.forbes.com/sites/robertwood/ … ct-us-all/

  38. Dorsi profile image92
    Dorsiposted 6 years ago

    This is an interesting new development. Funny thing is this month I've already made more than any other month on EBay since I signed up 3 years ago. EBay is actually doing very well for me. I miss my Amazon capsules though and wonder if they will re-affiliate us Cali's for a year?

    1. WannaB Writer profile image94
      WannaB Writerposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      I hope so. I had just gotten my account when all of us in California were dropped. I expected it to happen because California is a pretty greedy state. Now it is of little value for me to use an Amazon capsule. My other book affiliate program also dropped California affiliates,  so now I have to stick to selling my own books I have in inventory. But on hubpages, that means I can only feature one book per hub because the image and listing are on the same URL.

      At least I may be able to sell something when we can use the eBay capsules. I don't think I'll ever have enough for an adsense payout.

  39. Hashirraja profile image60
    Hashirrajaposted 6 years ago

    Yah, I am very interested in this section. Basically I am trying for something with amazon and ebay.

  40. travel_man1971 profile image74
    travel_man1971posted 6 years ago

    Thanks for the info, Mr. Paul E. I still cannot acivate my eBay account due to the phone problem. We don't use landline at home. I am using  cellular phone, most people in the Philippines do. I suggest that eBay A. Form will have that option if one hubber doesn't own a telephone at home.

  41. zanaworld profile image42
    zanaworldposted 6 years ago

    another WOW!

    I was trying to restore my lost Ebay Partner Network a/c which they close because of long dormant.

    Now this come as a good news to me.

  42. DIY Backlinks profile image57
    DIY Backlinksposted 6 years ago

    That's great. Looking forward to this.

  43. pinkish profile image59
    pinkishposted 6 years ago

    This is so nice.. I'm looking forward to it!

  44. adanpt1 profile image58
    adanpt1posted 6 years ago

    Always good to have more options and diversification.

  45. jacharless profile image79
    jacharlessposted 6 years ago

    Not to sound all Antecessor Promagistrate, but:

    a) Precisely why should Hubbers split there eBay revenue with HubPages?
    b) What conflicts will result with present qualified Amazon users?
    c) As a non-qualifying "Hub Ad" aka non DoubleClick/AdChoices affiliate how will this "incentive" work/benefit the publisher?

    Other than that woo-hoo. sounds exciting.
    big_smile

    J.

    1. Marisa Wright profile image95
      Marisa Wrightposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      a) most Hubbers don't have their own eBay account and can't get one.  For those in that situation, 60% of some revenue is better than 100% of none.

      b)  None. You can run both Amazon and eBay capsules on the same Hub - I do it all the time.

      c) I don't understand the question?

    2. Glenn Stok profile image94
      Glenn Stokposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      The revenue will not change under the new eBay program once it's included with the HP ad program.  With the old method, HP places their eBay affiliate code in the capsule 40% of the time and they placed your code in it 60% of the time. The ratio will not change. You still share 40%/60%.

      There are no conflicts with Amazon. HP Rules remain the same as they were for Amazon... you need to write 50 words or more in your text capsules for each eBay product you list.

      1. Stacie L profile image88
        Stacie Lposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        I haven't read through all the other posts,but Ebay products are not static..they often disappear from hubs and there may be empty spaces...

        1. Glenn Stok profile image94
          Glenn Stokposted 6 years ago in reply to this

          I agree. But that all depends on how you list the items. If you refer to a general product name, it will match it for anyone who is selling it.

          It is important to keep an eye on the eBay capsules that are used. I have noticed the same thing with Amazon however... a product was no longer available and my Amazon capsule was blank.

          1. Howard S. profile image84
            Howard S.posted 6 years ago in reply to this

            Glenn, if you allow the product hub to search for products fitting certain criteria, you can't fill-in the description, as HP has advocated recently. There's a risk either way. I have elsewhere proposed a feature similar to that which alerts us to broken links to hubs, websites, photos and videos. It shouldn't be too difficult to add an alert for Amazon and eBay capsules that are showing "no matching products found." (It is irrelevant, of course, for Google AdSense and HupPages Ad Program.)

            1. Glenn Stok profile image94
              Glenn Stokposted 6 years ago in reply to this

              Howard, I love your idea!  I hope HP implements it.

        2. Marisa Wright profile image95
          Marisa Wrightposted 6 years ago in reply to this

          Actually, I find eBay capsules are less likely to go blank than Amazon capsules - because you never select specific products with eBay, you always use keywords.

          1. Glenn Stok profile image94
            Glenn Stokposted 6 years ago in reply to this

            Marisa, Very true. But I had it happen in both already. I use keywords in eBay capsules that are very close to the product name to avoid incorrect products coming up. So basically I am being product specific. I know what you mean though. Amazon lets you enter Actual ASIN numbers, and if they are gone, we end up with a blank capsule.

      2. Camping with Kids profile image76
        Camping with Kidsposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        Glen - Are you sure? At this point we don't know if HP's ebay agreement will allow hubbers to get an ePn account using HP as their domain, in which case you are right, and nothing will change...

        OR

        If hubbers will be sub-accounts of HP's ebay account, with HP receiving all payments, (and credit for the clicks) and then disbursing the Hubber's share.

        They did state that the arrangement they were persuing would involve payouts from Hp's Earnings program - NOT ePn's, as it is now for affiliates.

        I believe that is the crux of the matter. If That is the way they go, it seems like it would have to be for ALL ebay capsules, which seems to indicate that hubbers that do have an ePn account will no longer have clicks credited to their ePn account. Which would probably decrease our QCV if we were doing well through HP.

        Just a shot in the dark though, still waiting for more info.

        GA

        1. Glenn Stok profile image94
          Glenn Stokposted 6 years ago in reply to this

          Camping with Kids - 

          I am basing my remarks on what Paul Edmondson announced in the first post of this thread, that eBay earnings will be paid via the HubPages Earning Program. So anyone who does not have an ePN account will be able to sign up under their HP earnings account.

          However, you bring up an important point that we don't have the answer to yet. Those who DO already have an ePN account may not have the choice. We just don't know yet how that will work out.

          My thoughts that come to mind...

          1. Maybe eBay will insist that existing partners must continue to use their ePN account. Or they will allow either one. 

          2. Maybe HP will have a check box under the earnings tab to indicate which to use. Or they can program it to default to the eBay affiliate code we enter if we don't sign up for eBay under the HP Earnings Program.

          These were my own ideas. We have yet to see how this turns out. Whatever it is, I would not blame HP for any issues that may develop.  HP has to abide by eBay rules too.

  46. Stacie L profile image88
    Stacie Lposted 6 years ago

    I think this would be a wonderful asset but since Google is so erratic with traffic  many hubbers will not see the money.

    1. tillsontitan profile image87
      tillsontitanposted 6 years ago

      It is a new opportunity for many.  eBay has not been available since I joined HP.  As they say, any port in a storm.  I'll be looking forward to the sign up info in Oct.

    2. liftandsoar profile image82
      liftandsoarposted 6 years ago

      So how exactly does this EBay thing work?  I understand about linkage as with Amazon.  But would I have to have some Ebay item featured in my hub?  Can someone explain this to a newby?

    3. Anna Marie Bowman profile image86
      Anna Marie Bowmanposted 6 years ago

      I wish they would give us some indication as to how this will affect those of us who already have an account with eBay.  eBay doesn't currently generate a whole lot of income for me, and if I could roll that into my HP earnings, that would be fantastic!!  It might make using eBay a little more worthwhile to me.  I am trying to be patient...I really am...

      1. Glenn Stok profile image94
        Glenn Stokposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        Anna Marie, I don't think HP knows yet themselves. It all depends on what eBay will allow. I had to keep updating my old hub about  confirming ePN to reflect the present state of affairs, but I wish I could also give the answers to questions such as yours. Looks like we all have to be patient until some time in October.

        1. Anna Marie Bowman profile image86
          Anna Marie Bowmanposted 6 years ago in reply to this

          Thanks, Glenn!!  I figured the HP staff was as in the dark as we are, or close to it.  I was speaking more about eBay telling us what is going on.  I get emails from them all the time in regards to all sorts of different things, so it stands to reason that they would keep us in the loop on this, as well.

          1. Glenn Stok profile image94
            Glenn Stokposted 6 years ago in reply to this

            Anna Marie,

            Well, I don't think we will ever get a direct email from eBay that discusses HubPages. Their emails go out to everyone signed up for ePN. So they need to keep them generalized. Anyway, it will be up to HP to inform us. But they can't do that until all the details are worked out with eBay. To my understanding, that may still be in the process of negotiation. But I'm not speaking from any knowledge. Just my understanding from prior HP posts.

            I agree with you that it would be nice to be kept in the loop. Right now, anyone who does not have an ePN account can't get one unless they have their own website.  And anyone who already has it can't get it approved for HubPages (as I discuss in my Hub on that topic). The only people right now who can use it are those who had it approved for HubPages a long time ago. I was lucky to have done it in time.

            This is why HP has been negotiating with eBay to allow us to use it under the HP Earnings Program. The only thing that is troubling, as many Hubbers have stated, is that we don't have answers yet about having a choice of which account to use. There are reasons why some Hubbers who already have it, will want to stay with their own ePN account, as Camping with Kids explained very well about 4 days ago in this thread. Those who do very well with eBay may want to stay with their own account. But it's not clear yet if that will make any difference.

            The best deal would be if HP creates a way for us to select which one to use in our eBay Capsules; Or a global setting in our account settings; Or make two different capsules; Whatever it takes to make that work. The bottom line is if eBay will allow HP to give us that flexibility.

    4. grinnin1 profile image85
      grinnin1posted 6 years ago

      Looking forward to hearing more on this soon!

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