Vote: no for same sex marriage

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london_guideposted 16 years ago
I vote no for same sex marriage
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  GeneriqueMediaposted 16 years agoin reply to this
  And I vote no for marriage. Abolish it. Its a dying institution. Put it out to pasture.
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  Bob Cedarposted 16 years agoin reply to this
  How sacred is a ceremony that can be done at a drive-through window these days?
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  GeneriqueMediaposted 16 years agoin reply to this
  Hey man, I got my ring in a Happy Meal!
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  mohamedhmmposted 16 years agoin reply to this
  at least i am not alone; God bless you
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mohamedhmmposted 16 years ago
God promise gays in Torah, bible, and Koran the Hell for them; and if you believe in any book of these or all of these books;
.. you should know how God destroyed lot town; because they have been disobedient-gays- to God, and belied their messenger lot;
and indeed God left evident as a lesson and a warning and a sign-- The place of lot town was where the Dead sea is now in Palestine- for who comes after; for a wisdom and for a folk who understand.
and i wish all of you folks who understand.
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  Sufidreamerposted 16 years agoin reply to this
  You are really sexy when you are forceful......Easy, Tiger.
  
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  Eng.Mposted 16 years agoin reply to this
  well , this argument went so far , I think it could be discussed further but not in this way in the 21st century .
  is it that who vote yes just feel sorry for the oppression gays or they are really looking for their rights?
  
  in the past people in the west wouldn't approve this because of religion and now most of them are freed from its control.
  
  religion ofcourse doesn't accept this but this is the politics forum and should be discussed far from religions.
  
  *does homosexual marriage affect the community values?
  *what are these values we are talking about?
  *aren't too many gays among us so productive and good?
  *can personal freedom and the community one contradicts ? if yes which do you choose?
  *can Mohammed provide a practical or workable experience , experiement or situation where formal gay relations may harm the community?
  
  sometimes I guess brains should be judged more than emotions.
  yet they overlap sometimes.
  
  I hope somebody get anything of I said
  don't worry I am not high lol , just thinking loudly
  
  peace
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  mohamedhmmposted 16 years agoin reply to this
  just read about these; and i wish God save us from gays life; because if you are a gay ; there is no hope, no life; and because you are lost it by going to this way-gay-
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  Eng.Mposted 16 years agoin reply to this
  oh man
  I am just thinking because I like to do so.
  these are forums not voting places.
  
  try to understand
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  mohamedhmmposted 16 years agoin reply to this
  so; why do you think to be a gay is ok?
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  mohamedhmmposted 16 years agoin reply to this
  at least you are one of the folks who understood, and nice to hear from you...
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  countrywomenposted 16 years agoin reply to this
  Mr.Mohamed- Sufi is one of the nicest understanding folks one can ever find. Btw did you read my last post addressed to you? Please let me know if I need to be more clear then I will give it another try.
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  Sufidreamerposted 16 years agoin reply to this
  Thanks CW - that really meant a lot You are an Angel
  
  Don't worry - I think that there is a glimmer of understanding between Mohamed and myself! A long way to go, but compromise is a long process
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  mohamedhmmposted 16 years agoin reply to this
  +++++++++++++
  so; if she is an angel; why gay life!
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  countrywomenposted 16 years agoin reply to this
  Sir,
  
  Sufi was just mentioning figuratively "angel". FYI I am a happily married woman to a nice man.
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  Sufidreamerposted 16 years agoin reply to this
  I am not gay - but I have absolutely no problem with people who are. It is a non-issue to me - I try to treat everybody equally, regardless of sexuality, religion or colour.
  
  Countrywomen is truly beautiful, but I regard her as my 'little sister' more than anything else
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  mohamedhmmposted 16 years agoin reply to this
  ok, same here and may be more
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  countrywomenposted 16 years agoin reply to this
  I am truly honored to be your little sister. Flowers for my dearest brother.
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  earnestshubposted 16 years agoin reply to this
  Most of the people here are straight mohamedhmm, they live, work and socialize without passing judgment. Mostly we do not bother to find out what people's sexuality is unless we are in that sort of relationship with them.
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  mohamedhmmposted 16 years agoin reply to this
  so; you pass...
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  mohamedhmmposted 16 years agoin reply to this
  i read it, but what's the point of it; you could be more clear?
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  Leta Sposted 16 years agoin reply to this
  Sufi--
  
  Off topic--but I may just be nauseous of the topic--this little devil guy is SO cute!
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  Sufidreamerposted 16 years agoin reply to this
  Hi Lita
  
  The BBC provides:
  
  http://www.bbc.co.uk/606/2/popups/smileys.shtml
  
  CW - You make me blush
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goldentoadposted 16 years ago
I can't believe people are still debating this. Why not just write a hub on it and be done with it?
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Eng.Mposted 16 years ago
being a gay is something and making it formal is something else
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  mohamedhmmposted 16 years agoin reply to this
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  you said you like to think; try to think about that:
  God promise gays in Torah, bible, and Koran the Hell for them; and if you believe in any book of these or all these books like
  .. you should know how God destroyed lot town; because they have been disobedient-gays- to God, and belied their messenger;
  and indeed God left evident as a lesson and a warning and a sign-- The place of lot town was where the Dead sea is now in Palestine- for who comes after for wisdom and for a folk who understand.
  and i wish all of you folks who understand.
  and tell me what do you thinl about it?
  you still agree with gays...
  and the best example for how the gay life worse than dead sea is San Francisco;and San Francisco not far from you...
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  Sufidreamerposted 16 years agoin reply to this
  Personally, I have no problem with homosexuality. I don't believe in Hell, so that is covered, and I do not believe that gays are going to be the downfall of society.
  
  I think that we may have to agree to disagree here.
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  Eng.Mposted 16 years agoin reply to this
  Mohammed , you should discuss this in the religion forum.
  
  -------------------------{{case closed}}------------------------
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  mohamedhmmposted 16 years agoin reply to this
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  what's the difference; you are just run away
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Make Moneyposted 16 years ago
Children are being taught that homosexuality is okay. This is not an attempt to bash homosexuals; simply put, children should not be taught about it.

Homophobia is an overused term. In most cases this is not the case.
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  mohamedhmmposted 16 years agoin reply to this
  and i agree with you sir; the government went so far in that; and it's not good at all
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  Sufidreamerposted 16 years agoin reply to this
  I disagree - education teaches tolerance. There is too much hate in the world without trying to alienate a minority. Homosexuality is perfectly OK - if someone is gay, they are gay; if they are not, they are not. Where is the problem?
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Mighty Momposted 16 years ago
Hello dear friends. Hello CW. How is married life?
I cannot jump into this spirited debate currently as I must go an celebrate my wedding anniversary.
I will leave all to guess whether I am married to a man, woman, sheep, or inanimate object.
MM
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  mohamedhmmposted 16 years agoin reply to this
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  Marriage is blessing if it's for God...
  and remember:
  God promise gays in Torah, bible, and Koran the Hell for them; and if you believe in any book of these or all these books like
  .. you should know how God destroyed lot town; because they have been disobedient-gays- to God, and belied their messenger;
  and indeed God left evident as a lesson and a warning and a sign-- The place of lot town was where the Dead sea is now in Palestine- for who comes after for wisdom and for a folk who understand.
  and i wish all of you folks who understand.
  i wish happy marriage for you here and after
  love for all
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  countrywomenposted 16 years agoin reply to this
  MM- Life is pretty hectic after marriage. I have more responsibilities and loving it most of the times (well there are some times when I feel that life was a lot more peaceful being single)
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  mohamedhmmposted 16 years agoin reply to this
  i agree in this
  and welcome back..
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Sufidreamerposted 16 years ago
Fisker - F%&k Off, you spamming little gobshite
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  mohamedhmmposted 16 years agoin reply to this
  how he is spammer? i thought so..
  at all i report him; but i like to know what happen if you open the link?
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  Sufidreamerposted 16 years agoin reply to this
  Nothing happens to you, Mohamed, but the fact that he inserted his link about 80 times is a little excessive. If we are not harsh on the spammers, the forums will soon fall apart.
  
  I have seen it happen on many other sites - you cannot have a good discussion because every other post is a link
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  mohamedhmmposted 16 years agoin reply to this
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  i do not open the link at all
  but; i doubt it; so i report it; and i wish huppages do something about it
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  Sufidreamerposted 16 years agoin reply to this
  Good stuff - they will remove it. I am not sure what time it is in San Francisco, but they will get around to it during office hours
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mohamedhmmposted 16 years ago
Marriage is blessing if it's for God...
and remember:
God promise gays in Torah, bible, and Koran the Hell for them; and if you believe in any book of these or all these books like
.. you should know how God destroyed lot town; because they have been disobedient-gays- to God, and belied their messenger;
and indeed God left evident as a lesson and a warning and a sign-- The place of lot town was where the Dead sea is now in Palestine- for who comes after for wisdom and for a folk who understand.
and i wish all of you folks who understand.
i wish happy marriage for you here and after
love for all
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  Sufidreamerposted 16 years agoin reply to this
  I think that we have been here before, and we disagree - therefore, we must find something that we can agree about
  
  Do you like cricket, football or any other sports?
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  mohamedhmmposted 16 years agoin reply to this
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  yes, i am agree with you in that... and only i like the best for us; i like every body have a peace inside himself; so, he or she could have peace with others..
  yes; i love football or soccer in USA; and i love to play or watch football...
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  Sufidreamerposted 16 years agoin reply to this
  I like that - I support a team called Preston North End - I do not know if you have ever heard of them!
  
  Where is your ancestry from - are you American or are your roots in another land?
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  mohamedhmmposted 16 years agoin reply to this
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  yes; i am American; but, my roots from Egypt..
  so i like team called ahlly- red shirt- and it's well known team in Egypt and Africa...
  but there is no gay at all there in Egypt at least to my knowledge...
  
  So; i hope the Angel come back...
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  Sufidreamerposted 16 years agoin reply to this
  Egypt are a very good side - African Cup of Nations 2008
  
  Al-Ahly - a very successful side (I checked that out on wikipedia )
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  mohamedhmmposted 16 years agoin reply to this
  ==
  Wow; nice work man,
  it's kool my friend..
  and may be this is what gays need to come back to us again as guys
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  Sufidreamerposted 16 years agoin reply to this
  As discussed previously, we disagree upon the gay thing.
  
  As for football, I watched the final - it was a great match In fact, the whole tournament was a joy to watch.
  
  I am looking forward to 2010 - it should be an interesting world cup.
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  mohamedhmmposted 16 years agoin reply to this
  ok...
  but again:
  remember:
  
  God promise gays in Torah, bible, and Koran the Hell for them; and if you believe in any book of these or all these books like
  .. you should know how God destroyed lot town; because they have been disobedient-gays- to God, and belied their messenger;
  and indeed God left evident as a lesson and a warning and a sign-- The place of lot town was where the Dead sea is now in Palestine- for who comes after for wisdom and for a folk who understand.
  and i wish all of you folks who understand.
  i wish happy marriage for you here and after
  love for all
  
  just read about it..
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  goldentoadposted 16 years agoin reply to this
  do you make love to a goat?
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  mohamedhmmposted 16 years agoin reply to this
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  good luck with that!
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mohamedhmmposted 16 years ago
Marriage is blessing if it's for God...
and remember:
God promise gays in Torah, bible, and Koran the Hell for them; and if you believe in any book of these or all these books like
.. you should know how God destroyed lot town; because they have been disobedient-gays- to God, and belied their messenger;
and indeed God left evident as a lesson and a warning and a sign-- The place of lot town was where the Dead sea is now in Palestine- for who comes after for wisdom and for a folk who understand.
and i wish all of you folks who understand.
i wish happy marriage for you here and after
love for all
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mohamedhmmposted 16 years ago
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mohamedhmmposted 16 years ago
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mohamedhmmposted 16 years ago
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johnb0127posted 16 years ago
I vote NO for same sex marriage! Man + Woman!
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  mohamedhmmposted 16 years agoin reply to this
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  welcome to the forum John:
  and i am with you; we need to be together and advise others; that, gay it's not the right choice; because, we are in one boat, and any hole there; all of us not safe.
  we could find better solutions for our problems; but, no gay.
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  goldentoadposted 16 years agoin reply to this
  you two are meant to fall in love with each other
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  Jewelsposted 16 years agoin reply to this
  Yes, I can feel the love between those two.
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  Sufidreamerposted 16 years agoin reply to this
  I now have a horrible picture in my head.
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  goldentoadposted 16 years agoin reply to this
  perhaps our horror would be their bliss and they can keep themselves entertained for awhile
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  Sufidreamerposted 16 years agoin reply to this
  It is all about plugging a hole in the boat or something. Drunk too much Ouzo, so nothing makes much sense.
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mohamedhmmposted 16 years ago
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Jewelsposted 16 years ago
What Sufi? Do you have a hard time picturing John and mohamedhmm together?
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  Sufidreamerposted 16 years agoin reply to this
  Love is a beautiful thing - but that is a bridge too far
  
  Kinda like imagining Pest's Momma - too much information.
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  Jewelsposted 16 years agoin reply to this
  I agree GT, and Sufi you're not helping in the encouragement department. Hold onto your visuals for a while and let them get better acquainted. It's not your business at the end of the day. Have another ouzo and involute into the possibilities.
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  Sufidreamerposted 16 years agoin reply to this
  More Ouzo is good! We are lucky to be witnesses to such a beautiful moment - love transcends all boundaries.
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  Jewelsposted 16 years agoin reply to this
  Totally. I want to buy flowers.
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goldentoadposted 16 years ago
they both seem to have some issues that can't be resolved here in the forums, as they seem very repressed
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goldentoadposted 16 years ago
perhaps we can get them some goats then
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Jewelsposted 16 years ago
why didn't I think of that!
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goldentoadposted 16 years ago
thanks, but I'm covered
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Sufidreamerposted 16 years ago
We are trying to appreciate a truly wondrous tale of love against the odds - shove your car insurance up your arse
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  Jewelsposted 16 years agoin reply to this
  They may need car insurance for the honeymoon though.
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  goldentoadposted 16 years agoin reply to this
  they should spend their honeymoon in mexico, I hear its real nice right now.
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  Jewelsposted 16 years agoin reply to this
  Best the vote be YES then, so they can get married before they go.
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goldentoadposted 16 years ago
do you cover illegals?
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mohamedhmmposted 16 years ago
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mohamedhmmposted 16 years ago
remember:

God promise gays in Torah, bible, and Koran the Hell for them; and if you believe in any book of these or all these books like
.. you should know how God destroyed lot town; because they have been disobedient-gays- to God, and belied their messenger;
and indeed God left evident as a lesson and a warning and a sign-- The place of lot town was where the Dead sea is now in Palestine- for who comes after for wisdom and for a folk who understand.
and i wish all of you folks who understand.
i wish happy marriage for you here and after
love for all
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mohamedhmmposted 16 years ago
There is nothing better than the right way for life..
gays life leads to many health problems, and social problems.
And also if you have AIDS or HIV; no one around is safe, and anyone could catch it; so, anyone like to have that.
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  Mark Knowlesposted 16 years agoin reply to this
  My god tells me that moustaches like that are only worn by latent homosexuals.
  
  Have you ever felt attracted to another man?
  
  Did it disturb you to have sexual feelings for another man?
  
  Because it is OK really. We all understand. And you do not need to attack others because of it.
  
  You have no need to fear AIDS from another man unless you actually share bodily fluids. It is not like catching a cold.
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Colebabieposted 16 years ago
are you kidding with that statement? It's scary because I think you aren't.
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  mohamedhmmposted 16 years agoin reply to this
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  Sister; you could be more clear, as i knew you are working so close for such these transmitted disease.
  what do you see that may be i don't see?
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gamergirlposted 16 years ago
Mohamedhmm-

You have 156 forum posts on Hubpages, and nearly all of them are about how bad gay sex is, how sick and wrong and ugly you think it is.

Have you ever considered the depth and level of intolerance, bigotry, idiocy this shows in you?

The fact of the matter is that while there are people who find homosexuality to be deviant and wrong, sinful or immoral, I've seen more understanding of love itself, of charity, of honoring one's romantic partner, friends and relatives from the gay community than I ever have from straight folks.

So while my gay friends are doing things like actually fighting for equality, running events and participating in charities which assist people worldwide on a variety of humanitarian causes, while my gay friends live their lives for love for love's sake, you just sit here and make yourself feel better getting all the ugly, hateful, nasty, unkind things you ever want to say off your chest - but know that you are seen as precisely that. Unwaveringly hateful, uncaringly demeaning, and most likely harboring some desires for sexual involvement with men in your heart.
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Colebabieposted 16 years ago
You would think being a science major you would understand the transmission of HIV. But ya don't... shocker!
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Colebabieposted 16 years ago
HIV is transmitted through four fluids: blood, vaginal fluid, semen and possibly breast milk. How, may I ask, will you come into contact with any of these fluids and contract HIV?

Why would you even make the comment "And also if you have AIDS or HIV; no one around is safe, and anyone could catch it; so, anyone like to have that."???

Try knowing what you're talking about before you make such a ridiculous statement.
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  mohamedhmmposted 16 years agoin reply to this
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  so; Are you still do not see it yet?
  as you said HIV or AIDS has 4 ways to be transmitted; so, if you have a friend working with you or living with you has such disease; you are safe to contact and be near from him/her?
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  Mark Knowlesposted 16 years agoin reply to this
  Yes.
  
  I took out the very, very annoying bold color text also. As I assume that you are just here to fight with people and prove to them your religion is garbage.
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  mohamedhmmposted 16 years agoin reply to this
  
  SIR; you are out of the limit of the forum rules.
  you are free to express your view without any personal attack.
  may be your ideas do not carry any sense; this is not allow anyone to attack you or your religion if you have one.
  and you are not allow use unacceptable words.
  just state your opinion if you are agree with me or not; and if so; you are welcome...
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  Mark Knowlesposted 16 years agoin reply to this
  Oh ? Sorry.
  
  Just so we are clear - you think sex between consenting adults is wrong, sinful, dangerous etc.
  
  Your opinions seem to come from your stupid religion - at least judging from what you have said previously.
  
  So it is OK for you to attack people's sexual orientation - but not OK for me to attack your religion - which is garbage.
  
  Although - I do not see how this is a personal attack.
  
  I just think your hypocritical, judgmental religion is rubbish.
  
  No attack on you personally.
  
  I do not have a religion. I think they are all garbage - because they produce people like you.
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  mohamedhmmposted 16 years agoin reply to this
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  again you are out of limit; and i think because you do not follow any rules; and no wonder no religion for you.
  thank you; you approved my issue
  
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  Mark Knowlesposted 16 years agoin reply to this
  I did no such thing.
  
  Like I said - you are just here to fight - that is what your religion does.
  
  I follow lots of rules. One of which is "live and let live."
  
  You should try it.
  
  And you did not answer my earlier questions -
  
  Are you ashamed that you have sexual feelings for men?
  
  Because it really is all right.
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  mohamedhmmposted 16 years agoin reply to this
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  at all no wonder to hear that..
  many studies state that" Alcoholism addiction was much higher for gays and lesbians than in the heterosexual population".
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  Mark Knowlesposted 16 years agoin reply to this
  Do you think that has anything to do with being attacked by god-fearing people such as yourself?
  
  Do you feel responsible?
  
  And you did not answer my questions once again.
  
  Do you feel guilty for being sexually attracted to men?
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  mohamedhmmposted 16 years agoin reply to this
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  i have many friends,
  and i am glad i do not have sick mind...
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  Jewelsposted 16 years agoin reply to this
  I doubt the survey covered enough people to get the correct statistic. But that's my opinion based on observation.
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Colebabieposted 16 years ago
Yes you are safe to live with someone with HIV. You can hug, kiss, eat off the same plate, use the same toilet... etc. What would make you think you couldn't?? Are any of the four fluids exchanged? Nope.
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  mohamedhmmposted 16 years agoin reply to this
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  I challenge you if you could do that in person; and i challenge you if you do; you will never feel safe.
  and i think not many people will agree with you.
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  Colebabieposted 16 years agoin reply to this
  Umm I know people who are HIV positive. And I have been in close contact with them without the fear of and without being infected. Now what? If you knew the science behind the virus, you would know that your statements are crap.
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  mohamedhmmposted 16 years agoin reply to this
  
  HOW many with you in that?
  well i do not think there are many; you are just talking without thinking about what do you said....
  and gays same like dead sea any thing there are dead; and that's the fact.
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tonymac04posted 16 years ago
Surely this is not really a debateable issue any longer. I mean I know many people are against same sex marriage and regard gays and lesbians as some sort of freaks or as diseased, but that's their opinion and they're welcome to hold those opinions just as long as they don't try to shove them down my throat or disrespect me just because I have a different opinion.
There are so many really important issues that need to be tackled in the world today that I can't imagine why anyone would get upset about so really trivial a matter.
Gays and lesbians are just like straights in everything except their choices of sexual partners, and so what?
Let's pay more attention to poverty, rape, violence of all sorts, global warming and the rapid destruction of our environment. All of these things are far more dangerous to us than gays and lesbians could ever be, and far more likely to bring about the destruction of all we hold dear than some people's sexual preferences.
As for the scare tactics of HIV/AIDS - well in South Africa it is in any case a disease of heterosexuals in the main, and is being spread by ignorance, unprotected sexual contacts (heterosexual in the main), poverty, etc.
Sorryn for the long post but I just can't believe that some people make an issue of same sex marriages and gay/lesbian rights. No-one is asking them to marry someone of the same sex, or to change their sexual preferences, after all.
Live and let live, respect and love each other, don't let fear rule your life.
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  mohamedhmmposted 16 years agoin reply to this
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  so; you are with me; it's just choice.
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Colebabieposted 16 years ago
Hey tonymac! While I agree with what you are saying "sexual preference" isn't the correct terminology, the term "sexual orientation" should be used. Additionally, it isn't correct to say "choices of sexual partners." I know your intentions are there and are very well appreciated by me. People have different beliefs as to the origin of sexual orientation, but some terms clear up confusion.
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Colebabieposted 16 years ago
Hey, hi, what's up, can you answer my question? Do you understand now about the transmission of HIV? And Mark was making an "assumption" which I do not believe is out of line. You have made several. Like... you assume that you would contract HIV if you came in close contact with an infected person.
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Colebabieposted 16 years ago
Is there a reason for the rainbow of colors by the way?? Do you know what the rainbow is a symbol for? Ha irony at it's finest!
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Colebabieposted 16 years ago
No idea what that means. Rephrase please.
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  mohamedhmmposted 16 years agoin reply to this
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  you should know how God destroyed lot town; because they have been disobedient-gays- to God, and belied their messenger;
  and indeed God left evident as a lesson and a warning and a sign-- The place of lot town was where the Dead sea is now in Palestine- for who comes after for wisdom and for a folk who understand.
  so; you understand the sign of dead sea?
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  Colebabieposted 16 years agoin reply to this
  You're not gonna believe this! But all those words, and I still don't know what you're saying. I thought we were talking about HIV? I was waiting for your response about the transmittance of the virus.
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  mohamedhmmposted 16 years agoin reply to this
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  you do not understand the sign yet... open your mind and read again with understanding the meaning and the message for us; but leave that now.
  but i think you should know if you are a gay, you have high risk to have HIV or AIDS...
  and that's clear by many studies about AIDS, HIV, and transmitted disease...
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  gamergirlposted 16 years agoin reply to this
  EVERYONE who is promiscuous has a high risk of HIV or AIDS. 100% of the uninfected population is at risk if they have unprotected sex with partners of dubious backgrounds.
  
  Interestingly enough, the statistics show that the highest rise of cases of AIDS is among HETEROSEXUAL folks because of the homophobic statements of "Gay people get AIDS more than straight people."
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  mohamedhmmposted 16 years agoin reply to this
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  Heterosexual folks are just victims for gays folks act.
  and i challenge you if you could approve what did you said?
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  gamergirlposted 16 years agoin reply to this
  I don't think you're very well educated on a great many topics regarding sexuality, disease transmission, or disease awareness.
  
  Here's a figure from the 2008 Report on the AIDS epidemic from the UN.
  
  You can read the rest of the report here: http://www.unaids.org/en/KnowledgeCentr … report.asp
  
  Please do some research and change your ignorant views.
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  mohamedhmmposted 16 years agoin reply to this
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  lady please read the report again and you could understand your post just about the numbers of people who have HIV...
  so do not try to mislead the forum
  and if you look in same report: and look inside figure 10; it show there is high rate of aids between gays; and there is the link from same report that just did you sent:
  
  Annex l: HIV and AIDS estimates and data, 2007 and 2001
  http://viewer.zmags.com/publication/b47 … 47ba878/12
  
  and you could find same results in many reports and studies; that approved gays not safe choice.
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  Colebabieposted 16 years agoin reply to this
  However you still did not answer my question regarding the transmission. Let me number them for you, then you can respond accordingly.
  
  1) You made these statements: "And also if you have AIDS or HIV; no one around is safe, and anyone could catch it; so, anyone like to have that." and asked me, "so, if you have a friend working with you or living with you has such disease; you are safe to contact and be near from him/her? "
  
  I answered I would be safe. Now that I have explained and hopefully you understand how HIV is transmitted, why do you feel that knowing a gay person will put you at risk for HIV?
  
  2) I already agreed that HIV is a high risk disease in the gay community. However, being gay does not mean you will have HIV, and being straight does not mean you cannot contract it. There are several diseases that are more prominent among certain demographics. So why do you believe HIV has been formed out of a punishment for being gay?
  
  Ok. Now here are the rules. Answer these questions without any religious references. Be complete and as grammatically correct as possible.
  
  Thanks!
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  mohamedhmmposted 16 years agoin reply to this
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  good...
  answering number'2' first:
  So; you agree with me about number'2'; to be gay not safe .
  answering number one:
  you agree there are 4 ways to transmitted disease by fluids; so you do not see if you kiss gay has AIDS, that you take high risk to have AIDS? or if you touch wound-blood- for someone has AIDS, you are taking a risk? and even going bathroom, you could catch the virus from any fluid could left there; at least there is a chance for risk, and the chance too high for gays; especially, if you have sex with any one of them; you take high risk...
  i hope it's clear for you now.
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  Colebabieposted 16 years agoin reply to this
  Hi Mohamad I'm back from work!
  
  Let me comment on your so-called "answers" to my questions.
  
  First of all. HIV is the virus that is contracted. Not AIDS. AIDS is the syndrome resulting from an HIV infected person who's T-cell count has dropped below 200 or has acquired an opportunistic infection.
  
  1) You more than likely cannot contract HIV from kissing someone who is positive. A person would have to drink several GALLONS of saliva in order for enough concentration of the virus to do anything. HIV is a virus, virus' are not very strong outside the human body. Any possible fluids left on a toilet seat would not have any of the active virus. It you touch a wound of someone who is HIV positive you would not get the virus unless you yourself has an open wound as well. In which case I don't know who would do that anyways, regardless of HIV status. There is a risk spectrum for HIV transmission, all of the above are at the absolute lowest end of the spectrum (or not on there at all).
  
  2) Yes, I already told you that in the gay community HIV is prevalent. I did not "agree" with you that "being gay is not safe." That is just ridiculous. I am upset that you would put words in my mouth and say that I agree with such nonsense.
  
  You did not answer either of my questions. Which leads me to believe that you have no answers. And why is that?? BECAUSE YOU HAVE NO IDEA WHAT YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT. Don't speak about HIV as if you know anything about the disease, it's transmission, who it effects or anything else. It is offensive to me to have someone try to lecture me about something that I know so much about. Not to mention everything you are saying is completely false.
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  gamergirlposted 16 years agoin reply to this
  Actually, I was always taught that the reasons the big ole' S&G were destroyed were first and foremost because God hates lots of things, like laziness, pride, etc.
  
  They were already destined for destruction for angering god and their breaches of hospitality, the offer to have sex with the angels was frankly an endnote.
  
  But then, I read the Bible too, and it has lots of disgusting things happen that I wouldn't agree with (like rampant incest.)
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Colebabieposted 16 years ago
Can you rephrase this please, "HOW many with you in that?
well i do not think there are many; you are just talking without thinking about what do you said....
and gays same like dead sea any thing there are dead; and that's the fact. "

I would like to know what you mean so I may respond. Thanks.
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Leta Sposted 16 years ago
Ah! Mark has jumped into this fray. Sometimes the approach is absolutely needed, .
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Colebabieposted 16 years ago
Well I have to go to work now. Ya'll take care. Happy arguing! Mohamad I'll check your response when I get back.
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gamergirlposted 16 years ago
Another case of someone only reading what they want to read, and not seeing the big picture:

1.) HIV *causes* AIDS.

2.) The fact that the number of adults living with HIV who are WOMEN has risen from 1990 to now means one thing: there is a rise in heterosexual transmission of the virus.

Besides the data presented by the CDC, various AIDS groups and the like, let's look to the origins of the disease - monkeys. Anal sex (the only penetration-type sex that constitutes 'gay sex') was not the originating cause of HIV. Furthermore, given the facts that roughly half the cases of HIV/AIDS are women, I'd say that's pretty good evidence that straight folks are in just as much jeopardy as gay folks.
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  Mark Knowlesposted 16 years agoin reply to this
  Still not sure what AIDS has to do with same sex marriages.
  
  Did he ever answer the question?
  
  One too many religious nuts in this discussion for my taste.
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  mohamedhmmposted 16 years agoin reply to this
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  let's go with you
  first you said HIV causes AIDS; that's OK; and sure the chance high between gays.
  second tell me how human get HIV from monkeys?
  i think you must be homosexual to get HIV from monkey; so, to be gay not the right choice to be safe...
  
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  gamergirlposted 16 years agoin reply to this
  Monkey bites.
  
  It has nothing to do with sex, at least not in the case of the initial transmissions or following transmissions from monkeys, but research has shown that the strain of virus that monkeys get is identical to HIV.
  
  With half of the infected population of HIV sufferers being women, I would say that there's just as much danger from heterosexual sex as there is from homosexual sex. Get this through your head - everyone is at risk. Absolutely everyone, regardless of race, religion, or sexual orientation.
  
  At least the gay population considers HIV/AIDS education to be vitally important, it is a wide-spread issue that every gay man I know thinks about and protects themselves from. Gay people are the only people I know who frequently get tested to make sure they DON'T have it. Gay people are the only people I know who actively question their prospective sexual partners, sharing their test results and engaging in romantic liason with far more certainty than most straight couples do.
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  mohamedhmmposted 16 years agoin reply to this
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  i think you didn't read spiderpam post:
  and there is what she wrote:
  spiderpam wrote:
  I saw this BET special on HIV and AIDS a while ago and it stated "Of all new cases in the US over 40% infected were black women, and it went further, it turned out that about 31% percent of those women infected stated they got it from a boyfriend that was recently released from prison." So that's sad. They concluded that "some men who are impriosned engaged in homosexual activies and once they are release they spread the virsus to one or more female partners." This information doesn't help either side, but it's something to add.
  
  ----
  why you don't answer the above?
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spiderpamposted 16 years ago
I saw this BET special on HIV and AIDS a while ago and it stated "Of all new cases in the US over 40% infected were black women, and it went further, it turned out that about 31% percent of those women infected stated they got it from a boyfriend that was recently released from prison." So that's sad. They concluded that "some men who are impriosned engaged in homosexual activies and once they are release they spread the virsus to one or more female partners." This information doesn't help either side, but it's something to add.
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  mohamedhmmposted 16 years agoin reply to this
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  Thank you; for your understanding; i hope gays or who support them should understand the same.
  it's clear gays=AIDS
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  darksideposted 16 years agoin reply to this
  Sorry if this has already been mentioned already, I haven't kept a track of the last dozen pages.
  
  Mohamedhmm, how do you feel about children who are born as hermaphrodites?
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  mohamedhmmposted 16 years agoin reply to this
  
  good question:
  this is special case for us and it's(%1) of population.
  so read this article about hermaphrodites:
  
  http://8e.devbio.com/article.php?id=266
  
  you will find it's medical issue, and there is a medical solution for it.
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  darksideposted 16 years agoin reply to this
  Readers Digest Version?
  
  Mohamedhmm I'm actually interested in knowing how YOU feel about hermaphrodites.
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  countrywomenposted 16 years agoin reply to this
  Spiderpam/Mohamed- It is a urban legend (myth) that blacks(especially African American) + homosexual men= AIDS. There are countless studies that have proven that Aids is primarily present in Heterosexual men/women. I don't know except for Sufi there is hardly anybody else who is able to get the point across here.
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  mohamedhmmposted 16 years agoin reply to this
  
  you are out of limit.
  you must follow the rules without any racial words or racial statement.
  just express your view.
  
  just try to approve your point like her; she approved her case with respect for any one could disagree with her; but. you didn't yet.
  so, if you think you are right; just approve what did you said.
  [/color]
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  Pestposted 16 years agoin reply to this
  Approve? LOL
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  mohamedhmmposted 16 years agoin reply to this
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  so; what do you have in this issue?
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  Pestposted 16 years agoin reply to this
  I am just another imbecile who's opinion wont mean shit to you anyway. You approve?
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  mohamedhmmposted 16 years agoin reply to this
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  you just did...
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  Pestposted 16 years agoin reply to this
  You have matched whits with an imbecile, congratulations. You approve?
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  Pestposted 16 years agoin reply to this
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  mohamedhmmposted 16 years agoin reply to this
  
  that's the best you have?
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  Pestposted 16 years agoin reply to this
  Yup, do I bore your superior intellect? Or does my sarcasm escape you. I approve that one.
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  countrywomenposted 16 years agoin reply to this
  Mr.Mohamed,
  Sir on the contrary what I said was that there are such stereotypes which may prove to be harmful in respecting each human being irrespective of there race, color, gender and sexual orientation. The reason I resorted to that equation was based on the previous statement by you (where you tried that approach which I felt may help me to similarly convey the point) and also Spidarpam's earlier statement together may lead one to incorrect conclusions. Btw when you say "approve" (do you subconsciously associate with those who agree with your view)? I already tried to explain earlier too but I guess I am not capable enough hence I already had spent way more than what I bargained for in explaining my position. Anyway let us all learn to live and let live.
  
  PS: I removed the color fonts which aren't necessary for this conversation. I wish you the best and have a great day
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gamergirlposted 16 years ago
Mohamed -

I didn't answer it because it was the same kind of third-hand passed along from half of a memory kind of information that perpetuates half truths.

You don't answer most of the posts made to you in the threads you've made, you don't answer most of the points made to you, so I'm sure you'll forgive me for bypassing the unimportant side-talk.
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  mohamedhmmposted 16 years agoin reply to this
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  OK; but i think she presented good point.
  
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Pestposted 16 years ago
He must be googling "sarcasm".
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mistyhorizon2003posted 16 years ago
It seems clear Mohamedhmm came here expecting strong support for his homophobic attitude. Sadly for him, this has not been the case, as obviously the vast majority of us (thank goodness) are more tolerant and understanding. I for one have many gay friends (all male), and have no issues with this. Indeed, I count them amongst my my closest and most loyal friends, and as far as I am aware NONE of them have HIV or AIDS, but all are thoroughly decent people.
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  Pestposted 16 years agoin reply to this
  i "approve" your comment.
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mohamedhmmposted 16 years ago

By looking to all facts and responds here; same sex for sex it shouldn't be at all exist as marriage.
and if we let it goes; it will go far without control, and it would be more issues and problems more than we think, and the fire would catch every body without exception; because, some how we support it by our silence; and i do not like to see every body in this situation.

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  Pestposted 16 years agoin reply to this
  HUH?
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  mistyhorizon2003posted 16 years agoin reply to this
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  Pestposted 16 years agoin reply to this
  Yup, he is still working on the word "sarcasm"
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Colebabieposted 16 years ago
Did you read my response?
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  Pestposted 16 years agoin reply to this
  Me? Or the master of humanity and ethical normalcy?
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  Colebabieposted 16 years agoin reply to this
  Oh I meant the master of all that is wrong and ridiculous. Sorry.
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Colebabieposted 16 years ago
Actually that's probably true. Gay males have higher rates of suicide, and lesbians have higher rates of depression. However, this is all because of people like mohamad, who can't get off their high horses and accept people for who they are.
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  Jewelsposted 16 years agoin reply to this
  I understand. For some reason all I could see were drunk footballers.
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mistyhorizon2003posted 16 years ago
I would love to stay and point out in no uncertain terms why there is nothing wrong with being Gay, but it is after 03.50am here, so time I was asleep. The homophobe is clearly pretty ignorant about transmission of HIV and AIDS, so no doubt not worth debating with, as he clearly hasn't bothered to research the science behind his "pet" subject.
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  Pestposted 16 years agoin reply to this
  I have fans to respond to and another book to get published...Yawn. I think i will check out some gay porn to see what Mohamed Alli is talking about. Hope i can still awake a heterosexual gay bashing retard in the morning. Full of hate and misleading opinions; please, I pray that i can be just like momdedanalsqueek.
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  Jewelsposted 16 years agoin reply to this
  Pest I approve. Don't do it! Don't cross over.
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  mohamedhmmposted 16 years agoin reply to this
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  you remind me by this joke:
  
  A couple, both 67 years old, went to a sex therapist's office. The doctor asked, "What can I do for you?" The man said, "Will you watch us have sexual intercourse?" The doctor looked puzzled, but agreed. The doctor examined them and then directed them to disrobe and go at it. When the couple finished, the doctor reexamined them and, upon completion, advised the couple, "There's nothing wrong with the way you have intercourse." He then charged them $32. This happened several weeks in a row. The couple would make an appointment, have intercourse with no apparent problems other than the lack of vigor which is to be expected in 67 year-olds, get dressed, pay the doctor, and then leave. Finally after almost two months of this routine, the doctor asked, "Just exactly what are you trying to find out?" The old man said, "Oh, we're not trying to find out anything. She's married and we can't go to her house. I'm married, so we can't go to my house. The Holiday Inn charges $60. The Hilton charges $78. We do it here for $32 and I get $28 back from Medicaid.
  
  I am just want you to open your mind and think about it; and if you want to be a gay or support them; that's you.
  but I am sure; you would know that's i am right soon or later; but, i wish not so late.
  and i am with human rights but do not harm any.
  gays would harm anyone directly or indirectly; but there are no good results from this sexual relationship just like the dead sea; that's where they are belong...
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Colebabieposted 16 years ago
Yeah, I'm wondering if two chicks together turns Mohamad on. I think he would have to be deaf and blind for it not to. I think if you're homophobic try watching girl on girl...
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  Pestposted 16 years agoin reply to this
  MMMMMmmmm that is hot... Mohameddedass seems to be okay with child porn as long as it is little boys and little girls. Mohameddialawhore is so ignorant, he is still oblivious to the butt I put him thru earlier.
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  Make Moneyposted 16 years agoin reply to this
  Sorry to burst your bubble there young lass but two women together isn't much of a turn on for most men, the same way as two men together isn't either. Homophobic is a very overused term. It's not the case in most cases.
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  mohamedhmmposted 16 years agoin reply to this
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earnestshubposted 16 years ago
More than 500 posts on this subject have not even taught mohemedhmm a basic understanding of H.I.V. He knows nothing about the subject as stated and is just venting his fear and hate for those who do not follow his religious based beliefs about homosexuality. "None so blind" etc.
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Colebabieposted 16 years ago
Yeah earnest, pretty much. If he was one of my students, I would have failed him and excused him from my class
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mohamedhmmposted 16 years ago
Gays is Wrong; because you will never got it right with them:
and there is a joke about it:

A girl goes into the doctor's office for a checkup. As she takes off her blouse, he notices a red "H" on her chest. "How did you get that mark on your chest?" asks the doctor. "Oh, my boyfriend went to Harvard and he's so proud of it that he never takes off his Harvard sweatshirt, even when we make love," she replies.

A couple of days later, another girl comes in for a checkup. As she takes off her blouse, he notices a blue "Y" on her chest. "How did you get that mark on your chest?" asks the doctor. "Oh, my boyfriend went to Yale and he's so proud of it that he never takes off his Yale sweatshirt, even when we make love," she replies.

A couple of days later, another girl comes in for a checkup. As she takes off her blouse, he notices a red "M" on her chest. "Do you have a boyfriend at Michigan?" asks the doctor. "No, but I have a girlfriend at Wisconsin. Why do you ask?"
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  darksideposted 16 years agoin reply to this
  OMG! You are so right mohamedhmm! I read this joke and it proves everything!
  
  I need to know, have you managed to stop watching their shows yet?
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  mohamedhmmposted 16 years agoin reply to this
  yes i did
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