Do the Rich Help the Poor?
- annvansposted 15 years ago
0Do you personally know of any rich people who have found a poor person and helped them? I am not talking about people standing in front of grocery stores handing out $10.00 gift cards to anyone that walks by. I mean have you ever known of any rich person seeking out a poor to help them?
Loads of times Ann.
A popular one is Millionaires who visit communities/people who are poor or in need of financial support. The millionaire doesn't tell the people that he/she is rich and lives in a humble accommodation near them. He/she spends time with them to see what they do. Sometimes its people working on a voluntary basis to serve a community. The millionaire leaves in a week. However, before they leave they pay one last visit to say goodbye and confess that they are actually a millionaire and leave the people with a big cheque.
The Secret Millionaire.Incidentally, I'm poor.
Any help would be greatly appreciated!If Millionaires give large amounts of money to the poor, it is only so that they can claim it on their taxes. I think they can also claim it as a loss, meaning that they can claim that they made less money, which puts them into a lower tax bracket, and they get that money back.
There are some that do it out of the goodness of their heart. But, people are that rich have accountants who do the re-pocketing of giving back to that person. So, they have no reason to feel guilty. And, you can applaud them for their efforts to help.
But, some of the richest people have only one thing in mind, and that is getting richer. They could care less about the poor.I pray for help. Me and my husband need help finacial. We are both disabled. We live in Granite City IL. My Name is Sandra Kukarola
Please contact me I live in Granite City IL and my name is Sandra Kukarola. Message for the The Secret Millionaire.
I think in most cases, the rich help the poor get poorer.
I've know many. They don't "seek" out anyone. Haven't you ever watch TV and they ran a story about someone needing surgery or something else.
The next night that program says; An unknown has come forward to pay the bills of that person. Many do so much and want no credit.
Hospital's get wings and equipment, community centers are built.... I could go on but most people have no conception on this topic.I agree. When people are super rich if they want to be philanthropic they do something that will benefit as many people as possible such as paying for a new hospital wing in a state hospital. Giving food out or giving someone shelter is what people on meagre means do to help someone else and that's great. It's what I do because those are the kinds of things I can afford to do.
As for taxes being stealing that's just ignorant. I like having a fire service, sewerage, free medical treatment, rubbish disposal, free school places for my children, roads, benefits for people that really can't work etc, etc etc.Well you know what they say, you get what you pay for. When you pay free, you don't get to choose the service you have to put up with whatever is available. Why do you think the wealthy have their own security, emergency services, etc. When you yourself pay, you can pay for quality.
Damn, I'm having a bad day. First I get (subtly) accused of being juvenile, then I get called ignorant and now I've got to agree with LDT. Is there no end to my ignominy?
Hey, LDT, have you ever read Robert Higgs on The Beacon, the blog of The Independent Institute?
I agree that the public sector are largely rubbish and have ripped me off for tens of thousands of pounds, but as they aren't likely to give it back I need to come up with some other way to replace it.
Do you see HubPages as being a form of entrepreneurial activity? It may not have Bill Gates sweating at night at the thought of not being the world's wealthiest guy any more, but we all have to start somewhere. And by a method that fits our skills, personalities and desires.
I have met a couple people online who have helped me!
Please refer them to me as because of repairs and problems with my home I am almost 45000 in debt not counting the almost 24000 on the home loan. I live in Granite City IL and my name is Sandra Kukarola.
Hello Dear, can you please give me their email address or anything.I need 6000 dollars in urgent.I need it for medical condition.I live in Pakistan.
please dear
for god sake give me their detail
Thanks
There are many, in fact. Narayana Murthy, one of the founders of Infosys Technologies (CEO for 21 yrs for Infosys) used to donate 75% of his annual income (that's substantial) to a Trust which helped the weaker sections with food and other necessities, globally. There are many like him.
Microsoft Corporation co-founder Bill Gates together with his wife Melinda are the most generous American donors to worthy causes. The Gates Foundation, which is dedicated mostly to the areas of health and education donated more than half their net worth, a total of $US22.9 billion ($A31.8 billion), over the past five years, to the foundation.
Bill Gates seem to be the exception to the rule - he is very generous. Even Oprah one of the richest woman in the world all you keep hearing about is her helping Africa what about the US and everyone here we need help too - maybe just maybe if all the CEO, famous people, NY and Bevery HIll socialites gave $100,000.00 to all the hard workers who have lost their jobs instead of buying $8000 pair of shoes $300 lipsticks - oh yeah I forgot most of the time they get all of their stuff free just because of their name free diamonds, clothes, shoes , hair cuts etc etcx - why dont they donate all that stuff for people who are starving, cant affort to pay their medical co-pays, their mortgages etc - it would be so nic for people to not be so selfish. The business people are the worst they decide their funds are more important to donate to all of the politicians campaigns instead of to the food bank, FARMERS etc. this county is filled with a bunch of greedy, self-centered , self absorbed people with most of them not deserving what they have.
What an awesome question. I have seen these stories on tv. like Oprah but I do not personally know of anyone who does this in a financial way. My only means of helping others is by giving of myself through good deeds, sharing what I have if they are in need. I know there are people out there somewhere who do this but I have not met one. Great question and food for thought. Q
If I remember correctly there was a time that I found myself unemployed. To my utter dismay I was hired by a wealthy person. This definitely changed both mine and my family's life.You are making a reply to a comment from 19 months ago?
Hate to start a game of chess with you. My granddaughter would have to finish it.
There are many wealthy people who donate to good causes and give without looking for anything in return. They just want to see things get better for the less well of and the more needy.
If all the wealth of the world was evenly shared around every citizen on the planet, in about 2 years, it would be back to the original way of the rich having more and the poor having less. Why? Because of the "system". Because of the way things are mostly tipped in favor of the well off.
Solution, educate people about wealth and money, about saving, making things, the value of money, of compounding money. Of how to not hate money or be afraid of it. Learn the value of Labour. There is too much emphasis of the poor relying on the rich. By and large, most Govts are today going after the middle class, and less inclined to go after the poor.
War could be argued to be an extension of inequality. Better to educate, eradicate financial ignorance, and learn to share the wealth, than risk the bigger issues and uncertainties that could follow. We are all human, and we all need each other...I do. A lot of rich people help poor people. A lot of rich people don't.
yeah, definitely.
I personally know that many poor families have iPods and other wonderful devices in their homes (cars) because individuals invested time and money into making the production of those things cheaper.
Everything in my home is something that "a rich person" has helped me afford.
If it wasn't for Bill Gates, I don't think i'd be having this conversation.
If it wasn't for Henry Ford and Rockefeller, I wouldn't be able to drive the distance I need to get a good job.It is rather difficult to gauge what is enough help to the poor, especially on a general basis. Maybe we can look at each particular rich individual or entity, but even that may present a problem on data which may not be available, or, if it were, may not give us the true picture. What is tricky in this particular question is that, if the answer here were ‘yes’ then there would be no poverty in our country anymore. And we all know what points to a logical contrary answer. The fact is that the rich can only do so much in alleviating the needs of the poor because it is the government that is mandated by law to be at the forefront of fighting poverty in our country by whatever legal and moral methods available. As for the help from the rich, I tend to believe and it’s safe to say that it is far from enough!
Rich people always live in humble accommodation. But many rich people do help the poor, but some of them never do this. So this is unpredictable that rich people never help poor.
I have known many millionaire and the odd billionaires. Very rarely would the rich help the poor, by far they give themselves more and to the poor less. The vast majority are over focus on financial for a reason , to survive, rarely thrives.
- annvansposted 15 years ago0
Must be not in this area then, never heard of a rich person helping a poor person other than the guy that was married to nicole kidman (cant remember his name) but he paid some girls medical bills one time. I have never heard of anyone else though.
I can think of at least three reasons for that from the top of my head;
- People who tend to genuinely help, usually tend to be quiet about that;
- Government does not like such stories as they hurt their case for collecting social taxes, and press usually does not push them for that reason.
- You did not look hard enough. When I saw your question, I immediately thought about Angelina and Brad adopting children...But is adopting children because you want them mean you are helping the poor?
I would think - if you take them from a poor family. It helps in several ways - lighten this poor family financial situation, solves material side for this particular child, and also gives this child an opportunity.
If you don't like an adoption example, take Bill and Melinda Gates foundation
Yeah, but is Angelina Jolie a chicken or an egg?
Does the humanitarian work she does offset the promotion of that high consumption lifestyle of jets and international travel and cosseted luxury, even if inadvertent promotion, that may lead to the conflicts and consequential human rights abuses that arise in getting the resources to fund that kind of life?
I think I would agree with that in the main. There may be a few nice rich people, but not many - or else why are the so many poor?It does to me. (But then I am often in a minority of one.)
If all the rich people were incredibly nice, caring and compassionate then they would help the poor and so there would be no poor. Admittedly an oversimplification, but if I go into all the shades of grey this will be an awfully long thread.
Of course that assumes that one individual can "help" another. You would have to start another thread on the definition of help. For instance does giving someone money solve their poverty or simply deal with the symptom of their poverty: their lack of cash. Is some aspect of poverty (that isn't forced upon an individual by external circumstances, like, say, war) a lack of intelligence, ability, or simply a lack of motivation or focus to spend their energy on in order to improve their own life?
Do the rich have an obligation to help the poor? And if so does that mean that the poor have an obligation to make others rich by supplying their labour so that they can then, in turn, be helped by those more motivated people?You can think a little further ahead than that, can't you?
Huh? You've lost me now. Further ahead in which direction?
That the poor do work to make the wealth for the rich, but those rich people then simply pocket the money and do nothing back for the poor. Which is largely where the world is now. Where the trickle down effect of capitalism isn't working because the wealthy have built a dam across that cash flow to create vast reservoirs of money for themselves and to hell with the poor. So the gap between the haves and the have nots continues to widen - and for my money (no pun intended) largely always will.You're so full of it dude. You can't spit in this country without hitting a charity and that's even with the monstrous welfare state that's about to destroy us all like a tsunami. Be honest, what you really mean is that you wish you had that sort of money and power, but for whatever reason you didn't do what you had to in order to get it. You want someone to give it to you, not work for it.
I am. That's why I like to spread it around a little. It stops me exploding and drowning the world under a tidal wave of excrement.
And actually I don't wish I had that sort of wealth and power. I have no desire to destroy a couple of countries, to kill millions and maim millions more. And if that is what I have to do in order to get it, to pursue wealth and power over the corpses of humanity then, then I am quite happy without it.
But while we're talking about giving: you can't lend me a couple of bucks can you? I need to buy a plane ticket to Gault's Gultch.
Misha, I don't think adopting a child should be a charitable act. Unless you really want the child and this addition to your family is something that you see as an improvement in your own life, then you're not doing the child any good. Children need to feel wanted.
Actually Misha, the government's actions about social welfare tend to put private charities out of business. Why should people donate to charity when they already pay in taxes to support the poor? Especially when you have criminals like Papa Obama taking more and more away from the most productive members of society and giving it to the least productive.
People are never forced to give to charity. Its an act of Free Will and as for "criminals? like Papa Obama", he didn't put the money in his bank account, did he? Do you begrudge the least productive people in your society?
What world do you live on? Criminals like Papa Obama take, steal, rob people via taxes, so they can bribe the ignorant and vulnerable so that they can continue be elected so they can continue to skim off the top. Paying taxes is not free will, it's involuntary. If you refuse to pay taxes, you get sent to jail. What part of that is voluntary.
I don't begrudge anyone except when they lie, cheat and steal while trying to cover it up as something noble. You might be stupid enough to fall for such mind numbing nonsense, but others are not quite to naive and ignorant. Why do you have such a hate-on for people who create the jobs that keep you and your family fed?Take time to read carefully. I wrote, Charity is an act of free will not "paying Taxes". (Its the norm for every worker in every country to pay Taxes)
I have no hate attitude whatsoever towards anyone and as for Jobs that keep me and my family fed, I own an I.T Company.
I actually think you should run for the next presidency. It seems you have more experience and you'll do a better job. Wishing you good luck with it.
Angela and Brad are a fine example of the rich looking after the poor.
I sent a few thousand dollars to a family I met in the Bronx once.
I stayed with their family for a few days and saw how they lived.
The money was not important to me at the time, I was doing fine.
I sent it with instructions that I did not want the money returned.
I got a letter from them after I had been back in OZ for a while.
In it was my money and a letter saying that they had been able to use the few bob I gave them to repair their major problems and are now doing well.
I only gave them enough to take care of the bills, but somehow they turned it all around. All they needed was a little help. I sent the money back again with a letter that said. "Well if you can do so much with the money you will make better use of it than I will," which was true.Dear Sir,
I am a Christian from Chennai, India. I am married and have two
daughters studying in college. My husband is a drunkard and jobless.
Inspite of taking him to rehabilitation centres it is of no use.
I am struggling a lot to maintain my family with two grown up girls.
He gives us so many problems when drunk and my daughters are very
depressed. Both of them suffer from severe ulcer because of this. I am
working in a private company and drawing monthly income of Rs.15000/-
But with this amount I find it very difficult to maintain my family
and I have lots of debts because of my daughters education. I have
to manage everything sigle handed with such a small income.
My daughters are now doing their final year and I find very difficult
to manage it. I am now not feeling well because of malaria and have
to take rest at least for a month. But I am not doing so because if I
take leave there would be loss of pay. Please help me out of this
critical position.
Kindly please help me with some amount so that I would be very grateful.
Regards
Mary Charles
in the philippines, there are lots of rich people here that help out the poor.
but the sad truth is. there are more poor the the rich
and our government is the number one corrupt in the whole asia.Yes, I have seen it. I have also participated in these acts of kindness. I believe that humanity is still, basicaly good, and we will help each other when the needs arises. After all, all living creatures are looking for one basic need: to be loved.
In the UK there are rich people (philanthropists) who set up foundations or trusts to help all kinds of socially disadvantaged people whether they be homeless, mentally ill, refugees etc. etc. I'm sure it's the same throughout the world.
I'm sure not all rich people have a social conscience but many do.I have a couple of friends that I don't know if they could be considered rich - but they are wealthy.
And they help others out wherever possible. Usually by way of taking in waifs and strays and expecting no return, other than seeing them back on their feet. No gain in it for them either.- annvansposted 15 years ago0
If I was rich, I would find a poor person and give them money and pay for their medical care. I would also buy them a place to live and buy them food and pay their bills.
You want to think so, but the only way to be sure if for you to go out and become rich.
That makes the poor person lazy & dependent. Poor people must be taught to do for themselves, not to be dependent upon others & expecting HANDOUTS!
In any case, one rich person playing Great Expectations for one poor person doesn't do much in the overall scheme of things. The average, middle class person who donates even a little to private organizations that provide goods, services, and/or training to help the poor does so much more.
Bill Gates is a generous guy, but there's only so many of him...I think only a few of the rich genuinely try to help the poor.The rich people possess more than 80% wealth of the world.If they really did help the poor the world would be much different and safer than today's world.
- annvansposted 15 years ago0
Well if the rich are helping the poor get poorer, I got some news then.....once the poor are too poor to buy anything, the rich will fall through a giant black hole. lol.
Or fall back on overt slavery instead of the covert slavery that currently exists.
- annvansposted 15 years ago0
As many rich people as there are though, I doubt that the really rich will fail as they will get the other rich people to buy from them now that there are tons of rich people.
I was just curious about all this cuz I have not witnessed the rich helping the poor even though I am sure it happens. I figured with the economy being the way it is, the rich would be reaching out to the poor.Many Do, A lot of them are silent. Look at George Steinbrenner, He has done so much for people, In Florida if a fire or policeman get killed he has a fund where the family gets money and guaranteed college for any kid of the fallen hero. He has put many kids through college. Donald trump has helped many also, He does many benefits and gives to charity constantly.
- annvansposted 15 years ago0
I hate to see the rich just giving out all kinds of money to people that already have money. If I was rich, I would make sure who I was helping was actually poor and not just middle class or something. I have helped many middle class years ago. I used to give money to people who I knew were single and raising kids and things and I wasn't rich. I won't do it now though as I have learned my lesson not to help others unless you are rich or you will wind up poor like I seem to be heading now, lol.
Duh. What makes you think the rich won't get poor by doing what you did? Sure they have more money, but it's not like the rich have a money tree they can peel more bills off of and hand them out as needed.
I also think the poor help the rich more often that the rich help the poor.
- annvansposted 15 years ago0
You are very right, and what bothers me most is that I think rich help with lots of things and sometimes try to do what they think is right. They just sometimes wind up helping people who really don't need help instead of helping those who need it the most. For example when they help with medical research and stuff. That is fine that they do that but I sure don't hear about em helping the poor, only other things like medical research.
You really need to try to understand why rich people got rich in the first place. Sure some inherited, but what's wrong with that? Their parents wanted to leave them with a legacy, and that's their right. But the people I'm talking about are the ones who make something from nothing. The Entrepreneurs. By lumping them in with the rich, you make two big mistakes. First by working for their money, they deserve it and more importantly, they figured out a way to come from any kind of a background and make it.
By studying them and what they did, you can learn their secrets and apply them in your own life. Then when you're successful you'll be able to make a bigger difference than you are now and you won't have to beggar yourself to do it. If we want a better society we have to encourage entrepreneurs and learn from them.
Also you ignore that fact that some poor people are poor due to the bad choices they've made. Giving them things only reinforces that poor decision making process so that they never have an incentive to better themselves. That's why I'm opposed to public welfare. Private welfare, due to their limited funds, have to decide who is more deserving of help. Thus the help tends to go to those who need it and will better themselves, excluding those who think the world owes them a living.
- annvansposted 15 years ago0
Apparently I don't. If I was rich, I would give to poor people in the mountains long before I would hand over anything to a hospital.
How are the terms "rich" and "poor" being defined for the purposes of this discussion?
Possible answers:
1) net worth
2) income level
3) social class
4) level of education
5) Control over capital (whether owned by the individual or not?)
6) power
I have the feeling that different discussants here have different definitions and this is leading to misunderstanding.Poor meaning income level. Ones who cannot afford to put food on the table and provide clothes for their children. Ones that cannot afford medical care for themselves or their children. Elderly who cannot afford to hardly live on there social security.
You're lumping all that in together. The first tow are solvable by private charity. There's a Goodwill and food bank in just about every village, town and city in the nation. Medical care is a bit thornier. Part of the reason health care is so expensive is that the supply of medical care is purposely held down, at least in the US. Finally the elderly. The entire Social Security setup is a scam. The people who put it in place wanted access to more tax money, but they didn't want to raise taxes, so they put the Social Security fund in general revenue. Never rely on the promise of a politician.
- annvansposted 15 years ago0
Well I am sure these people do not do this on purpose. Things happen and people fail. That is like saying forget the bailouts for anyone who needs them.
Suppose I am poor and have no money, yes, let me run down to the goodwill and PAY for some clothes. sometimes ,if the rich man knows the value of person more than money.those to whom money is not the king.
- annvansposted 15 years ago0
K, I don't want to get anything started, I was just wondering...so, sorry.
Yes the rich help the poor but I think more can be done to help the poor create wealth.
- annvansposted 15 years ago0
Maybe I dont see this around here cuz maybe everyone is poor?...lol I used to live where rich people lived and I never did hear of anyone helping the poor is why I asked.
I do however think now would be a good time for someone rich to find some really poor people and help them. I think it is nice to see these things. I agree with ledefensetech... as taxes rise it's harder to want to help. People don't like to be compelled to do things, they prefer to do them on their own accord.
Wealthy people are like low-income people in that they aren't "all one big club that thinks/does the same thing". Some, more than others, make it a point to try to donate money that will do the most people the most good. When "the world" knows someone is wealthy these people have people writing to them and asking for money. There are a lot of "have nots" in the world, and if they give to everyone who lost a job and everyone else who is struggling they'd have no money left to donate to anyone. A lot of people do stuff for others but don't want it public (because then "the whole world" will think they can do it for them too. Many wealthy celebrities have given away their money as soon as they earn it (buying homes for their family members and whatever else), only to find themselves dead broke.
There's a point where even the most charitable people have to draw the line; because if they keep giving and giving until they have no money left themselves, they won't be donating large amounts to different causes; and they won't be in a position to be hiring people (creating jobs) in their endeavors. This doesn't cover everything she has donated, but the following article points out that besides starting that school in Africa, Oprah paid for a bunch of Katrina victims' new homes.
http://www.time.com/time/magazine/artic … 26,00.html
It stinks that some people struggle, and there are a lot of things that need to be done to alleviate that problem. Welfare programs, themselves, trap people in poverty; laws allow banks to operate in a way that makes people's situations worse. What Oprah Winfrey does with her money, though, is not my business. If I were in a big financial emergency I wouldn't want Oprah's (or any other citizen's) money to bail me out, any more than I'd want welfare money. Besides, again, nobody knows what any individual wealthy person does or doesn't do with his/her money. Assuming that the Gates are "the exception" is unfair, because I don't believe they are an exception. They're just well publicized because of the level of their wealth. Are there greedy, wealthy, jerks who don't care about others? Sure - but there are also greedy, poor, jerks who aren't above stealing from others too.
I'm not a religious person, but one of the Commandments comes to mind: "Thou shalt not covet thy neighbor's goods (money)." I don't think "coverting thy neighbor's goods" is ever the solution to poverty and struggles.Every rich person I know help either the middle class or the poor. Where do you think jobs come from? And what better help is there than a job?
But, since you probably aren't privy to the financial proclivities of anyone besides yourself (unless you are an accountant or IRS agent) then what you are saying is merely an opinion that "Rich people help the middle class or poor" Totally unsubstantiated. The rich have helped by virtually eliminating the middle class, themselves. Automation , has, over the last fifty years, pushed millions of workers out of given fields, forcing them to adapt, only to be pushed out by more automation, trade agreements that have taken whole industries out of the American equation and shipped overseas. Rich people help, but they have also done irreparable damage to the very system that made them rich. The battle over healthcare...the conservative view is that healthcare is unaffordable, the dems view for the most part, is that we need it to have a healthy workforce. This is a hot button issue, and underscores what is being said here. There are rich people who are also dems. They don't necessarily contribute to charitable causes, as ther are rich repubs, I'm sure, who do.
Hi Druid,
You wrote, "But, since you probably aren't privy to the financial proclivities of anyone besides yourself (unless you are an accountant or IRS agent) then what you are saying is merely an opinion that "Rich people help the middle class or poor" Totally unsubstantiated."
In your opinion, outside of the government jobs, where do jobs come from?
"The rich have helped by virtually eliminating the middle class,"
This is Marxist, class warfare drivel. Nothing more. Nothing less.
". . .only to be pushed out by more automation, trade agreements that have taken whole industries out of the American equation and shipped overseas."
In your opinion what role have unions and government rules played in pushing industries into countries who want them more then we do?
"The battle over healthcare...the conservative view is that healthcare is unaffordable, the dems view for the most part, is that we need it to have a healthy workforce."
In my opinion you have misstated the debate. Conservatives believe that getting the government out of healthcare, including tort reform, and the elimination of regulations that restrict competition, is the only sure path to affordable health care for the greatest number of people. We also believe that each individual should be able to buy the quality of healthcare they can afford. Democrats believe that taking control of 1/6th of he economy, will guarantee they will stay in power for the rest of the nation's life.How come the UK government can provide universal health care for about half the amount that the US spends on a very un-universal health care?
Some people can't afford any...let'em die. it'll make room for the rest of us? Marxist drivel? I don't care for the unions either, but, it was the fact that millions of american workers BEFORE the unions were subjected to long hours, no breaks no benefits, pennies aday, and child labor that was appalling. WHY? Because the employers were greedy. That is what brought the unions in in the first place. Those who have weren't giving back, and for your info, the middle class is nearly gone, and what is left is a shadow of what there was. We have brought all these problems upon ourselves, and it's not a Gop problem, it's not a dem problem, it's an american problem. Partisan politics only serves to divide, and, just as in the military, we should determine that no citizen is left behind.
Hi Druid,
You wrote, "Some people can't afford any...let'em die."
Well, some people cannot afford homes, cars, Starbucks coffee... And yet everyone manages to get what they can afford. It may require making the hard choice between that 72" LCD HD television and health care. It may mean deciding between any of a variety of competing demands. But that is what adults do.
Additionally, when the government gets out of it many will get in. And everyone will be far better served.
"Marxist drivel?
Yes. Pure class warfare. Poor against rich. It is what it is. Like it or not you are a class warrior for Karl Marx's distorted, incorrect view of the world. You may be a useful idiot (I believe Lenin's phrase) or you may be a real class warrior. Either way you are on the wrong side of history.
"I don't care for the unions either, but, it was the fact that millions of american workers BEFORE the unions were subjected to long hours, no breaks no benefits, pennies aday, and child labor that was appalling."
I understand there are some interesting myths out there. This is one of them.
"WHY? Because the employers were greedy."
What does this mean to you? How do you determine that employers are greedy? Who were the employers then? Who are they now? If you own any mutual funds you are probably an employer.
". . .and for your info, the middle class is nearly gone, and what is left is a shadow of what there was."
Really? So in your world view all of us are either rich or poor? As I drive through many square miles of middle class houses on my way to my mansion on the hill, who, in your opinion, is living in all of those very nice houses? They are not nice enough to be housing for the rich. Well, some of them are. And they are way too nice to be housing for the poor. So who lives in them?
I'm not sure why you've addressed this post to me. I did think our thinking was more aligned than that.
Hi John,
That goes back to the issue of how much one is paid versus how much one's work is worth. The working poor are not of much value to their employers. For anyone to get paid more they must increase their value to their employer. It is so simple.So naive.
Hey, going back to my factory days, there was an incentive scheme in place that paid a few pounds out for innovations and improvement.
One day one guy with responsibility for assembling one component came up with an improvement that would reduce the number of parts and speed up assembly.
The head honchos dropped on him and spent ages with their slide rules looking at what he'd suggested.
In the end they pronounced it good and in future to be carried out.
The worker in question then asked what it was worth to the company.
He was told that as it made his job easier he should be thankful that they weren't going to cut his pay.
And that, my friend, is a much more common scenario than the pay rises handed out for problem solving.Most employers make money on the fact that you aren't getting paid for what your work is worth. They are looking for a bargain, something they can get on the cheap. It is to their advantage to pay you less than your worth. That is where the concept of exploitation comes in. Sound familar?
Indeed, if employers paid what employees were worth there'd be no profit left for the employers.
Hi John,
You are so funny when you want to be. Employers hire people so that they can earn a profit. If the employee is not helping to achieve that goal the employee is not worth very much.Glory be! We've got there at last.
Employers don't employ people out of kindness, they employ them to make a profit.Hi John,
You wrote, "Glory be! We've got there at last. Employers don't employ people out of kindness, they employ them to make a profit."
You sound as if this comes as some great surprise. Why did you think employers hire people?Hang on, it was you arguing as if employers were doing the workers a great favour by letting them work as if there was nothing in it for them!
All this talk about paying what they are worth exposed as flim flam, they pay what they can make a profit on.Oh John,
What am I to do with you?
You wrote, "Hang on, it was you arguing as if employers were doing the workers a great favour by letting them work as if there was nothing in it for them!"
Those are not my words.
"All this talk about paying what they are worth exposed as flim flam, they pay what they can make a profit on."
LOL. This is what defines what the employee is worth to the employer. If I cannot continue to generate significant profits for my employer I will be fired and he will find someone who will.
So the way to earn more is to be of greater worth to your employer. And yes, that means making sure he gets those hated profits.Remember the title of this thread, "do the rich help the poor".
And your answer seems to be "only if it pays".
You make this wild assumption that the present capitalist system is the only one there is.My answer still stands. Of course the rich help the poor. The very best help of all is a job. The rich create jobs.
Hi John,
In addition to the economic models of capitalism, socialism and Islamism what else is there?Hi John,
Is that an economic model? Perhaps on the very small scale. It is not a model that nations will ever use.It is not suited for large scale implementation. It is impractical. If it were not we would see examples at the nation-state level already.
I really doubt it even works at the commune level.Try the Co-operative Bank, the range of Co-operative food stores also in the UK.
Try John Lewis.
All large scale businesses and all practical and working at the nation state level.
At the commune level try Suma, in existence for nigh on 30 years, try the Bicycle Doctor, nearly 30 years and on and on.You gave in that easily?
Those co-ops are just mini-economies. They just invent their own money, allow only certain people to join in, and then conduct capitalism in a small shell.
They call it socialism, but it's really just restricted capitalism.Evan, you've demonstrated your total failure to understand how co-ops work already, no need to constantly display your ignorance.
They use exactly the same money as everybody else and do not conduct capitalism of any size.
http://www.co-operative.coop/
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CooperativeYour links didn't disprove a single thing I wrote.
Certain groups come together and work together to lower prices.
I suppose they don't use their own money -- at least not the ones that you've linked.
But it's still just capitalism.
I think if you asked the employees (who are also the owners) of John Lewis you'd find they get paid in money not vouchers. Also, anyone can apply for a job in their stores.
What's so wrong with employee owned businesses? It's a great business model in my view (and experience).It was a small point, easily given. It changes nothing really. There are three opposing economic models; capitalism, socialism, and Islamism. Two lead to tyranny. One leads to freedom.
What's the Islamic economic model? Never heard of that one. Also what about countries that use a mixed economic model such as the UK & US?
There are very few countries that adhere to one strict economic model and those that do don't seem to do too well.That is wierd, is that going around, like a new contagious economic theory -- Islamism??? Yikes
Do the rich help the poor? Well, if only 52% of all Americans even have an effing job, then yeah, they help them a hell of a lot.I may have to withdraw Islamism for now. I find I am unable to explain the difference between its economic formulation and socialism's.
I had in mind a formulation deeper than that. But it has been a few years now. For our purposes capitalism and socialism are sufficient.
I can't help but feel that without speculation we'd all be better off (apart from speculators of course).
Hi Druid,
You wrote, "Most employers make money on the fact that you aren't getting paid for what your work is worth."
If that is your experience you need to get a better job. Over time your income settles right about at what you are worth to your employer.
"They are looking for a bargain, something they can get on the cheap."
Employers who do this will always lose their best people to employers who pay what the employee is worth. It costs a lot to hire someone. No one wants to hire twice.
"It is to their advantage to pay you less than your worth. That is where the concept of exploitation comes in. Sound familiar?"
Yes. Right out of Karl Marx's discredited economic theories.
What cracks me up about all of you who damn the rich is you would trade places with them in a New York Minute. All of you are liars and hypocrites.
Sorry but I wouldn't swop.
I've been rich and I've been poor and I'm at my happiest when I have enough but no more.And you are obviously incapable of being honest with yourself. Have you risen above human nature John ?
On the contrary, only when I became honest with myself did I really learn the value of money, it's a great tool but a lousy master.
The rich help the poor at the end of the year when they donate millions to charity organizations.
You know it is sweet to here that the rich do donate to charity and most likely the charities are in bigger city but you know I’m one of the poor speaking and I don’t know of any charity or organizations in our small town that will help single families
Well you obviously have internet, so why not do some research if you need help? I don't know where you live, but if it's in America you can undoubtedly find someone or some organization to help you and your family. Search for charities in your area and see what they can do for you. It's up to you, not them, to get the help you need. And if you don't ask, you can't really blame anyone but yourself for not getting the help you need. I hope you find what you need.
I recieved an email that you replied to my hub writting. I live at 2213 Washington Ave Granite City IL 62040. I have a PO BOX 1242 Granite City IL 62040 for mail. Me and my husband are disabled and praying we don't loose our home. Thank You for your replie. Sandy Kukarola
The question assumes the rich have a responsibility to help the poor. They do not. If they want to, it is their business. If they choose not to, that again is their business.
I would be far less likely to just hand out money. Rather I would choose to offer these people a job. You always feel better about the money you have if you work for it and earn it.I think, not always. It depend how the person feels. I mean if he really thinks and really wants to help then he will definitely help but if he doesn't cares then he will not. Everybody is not the same with same feelings and thinking.
The question: Do the rich help the poor?
The answer: YEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEESSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS!!!!!!
OF COURSE THEY DO!!
Look around, how many things in your room are made possible by rich people:
Every single thing in your home that was made by a large company was brought to you thanks to some rich person's ability to maneuver resources properly!!!
Did you go to a chain store recently? That was a rich person as well!!
Q: Who helped more people -- Mother Theresa or Henry Ford?
A: Obviously Henry Ford.Wow, nicely put. You might offend some of those who hate the rich, but facts speak louder than feelings. Good job.
You make it sound like there was nothing in it for them?
Well most of the people in my area do make generous donations to non-profit organizations at fundraisers. Without those donations most non-profits do not survive. They are run by exactly that rich people or grants. Grants are being cut, and so this leaves the rich. I would say I've seen lots of wealthy people in my area do a lot of good. Just depends on the rich person, and whether they want to help out a community or not.
THE QUESTION WAS "DO THEY HELP", NOT "ARE THEY GREEDY!!"
bwahahahha, I love being right.
(psst, by being greedy, they helped the poor! Ta-da!)Evan, you are ALWAYS RIGHT! We need MORE people like YOU!
Think you can say henry ford helped out in some good ways, as well as mother theresa. How many people did Henry Ford pick up off the street that were diseased, had maggots, and lonely. The untouchables? Would you help those people even if you have lots of money. Who was richer financially probably Henry Ford, who was richer in love and helping others Mother Theresa. Is it better to be rich financially, or richer in your heart full of love.
Oh, don't get me wrong, I love Theresa. But Ford helped many many many more people.
Your life is much better thanks to rich people, you're just too ingrateful to notice.
Cars - Henry Ford.
Oil and fossil fuels - Rockefeller
Astonishing infrastructure needs - countless rich people
Computers - Gates and Jobs
and the list goes on.But what about the countless not rich people who really made all these things happen?
They were given jobs in the time between "generating the resources to build the service/good" and "actually selling the good/service".
Another benefit from the rich to the poor!That's strange, cuz it sure as hell looks like it!
Sleight of hand. Smoke and mirrors.
It's all done with somebody else's money.
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- Amie Warrenposted 13 years ago0
My ex is very rich, and I never once saw him lift a hand to help anyone poor, except to pay them to landscape his yard or wash his car or clean his house. After Katrina, he was so afraid someone would steal his stuff that he spent thousands of dollars to hire private security to watch our house night and day.
But on the flip side, my best friend is also very rich, and she gave me a free place to stay for two years, and works every week at a soup kitchen, so it varies, I guess.How'd your ex get rich? By doing work that helped people? Or by mooching off his parents?
Hi Evan, would you please look at the chart I have put up for you here: http://hubpages.com/forum/topic/79988
Please comment if you get a chance and I want to know if you understand the chart.
BTW, sometimes people just have to mooch off parents.
most of the rich give out the fish but don't teach how to fish.
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- ahorsebackposted 6 years ago0
Without the rich in America's past, present and future , we would still be planting corn on sharecrop lots , riding the mule to the store , working barefoot in the bean fields , eating fresh squirrel meat and writing with a piece of wood fire charcoal in a slab of white birch bark.
Next time you get your paycheck say thanks to a rich man .
If you aren't receiving one , go get a job from one .+10000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000
The members of "the rich" are not the bad guys that many people accuse them of being. These folks are always donating to worthy causes according to their interests. Furthermore, they have many good habits such as going to bed early, waking up early, focusing on tasks at hand, pursuing dreams and ambitions and bringing them into manifestation.
The members of "the poor" are generally not as strong, robust or self-disciplined.
How come?
If the rich hired psychologists and health professionals to research the matter and came up with valid reasons, would the poor listen and change their ways?
Well, would they?
No.
So how could the rich help them?
By just handing them money?
Really?THANK YOU. There is nothing wrong with the wealthy at all. But there is SOMETHING inherently wrong with the poor. The poor don't want to exert any effort. All they want are handouts & financial support. They don't want to make the necessary sacrifices to live a middle class lifestyle. They WANT to live in struggle & want. If they didn't, they wouldn't be...….POOR. Poor people are that way because they are...….L-A-Z-Y, pure & simple! End of discussion!
There is ONE WAY to help poor people. Kick them in the *****, tell them to suck it up & pull themselves up. Teach them accountability & responsibility. Tell them to grow the ******* up & that no one owes them anything. Tell them to work or starve period!
For instance:
Some say the policies of the democrat/progressive party encourages "the poor" by rewarding them for being so. Yet what happens to their self-respect and motivation as they become more and more dependent of the redistributed money they are given?Sadly, welfare actually requires (and therefore encourages) lazyness, lack of self-discipline, motivation and self-respect.
(The votes democratic politicians buy are actually quite expensive.)After only two generations of dependency on the government, the poor are stuck in the system and can't break out.
It is not human nature to be lazy, immoral, talented or ambitious.We get you Kathryn , It's called systemic government enslavement.
Right. Who is "we" would you say?
I always imagine my message is going out to every person in society.
So ridiculous.
But there its is.
Neptune in Libra, I suppose.
All children are born full of the joy of life.
Who believes that anymore?- ahorsebackposted 6 years ago0
GM. WoooooooA ......No there is nothing inherently "wrong " with the poor , They are just that poor , some will climb out of poverty and some never will BUT still many more poor are healthy , intelligent and generally a happy people .
It is the herding by intellectual do gooders that have created a ideologically oriented hell for poor people , entrapping them in socially engineered programs designed to assist them one way or another AND in the end enslaving them in their own often putrid assisted living lifestyles .
More poor should be left to their own resources in a vibrant working environment rather than be "assisted " deeper into a lifestyle of program dependence and perpetual entitlement , THAT IS the only problem that can be attributed to "poverty " or to poor people .
Poor people more often than not are merely a "richer "people often beginning in "poverty" and working their way to the top of the pack .
Given the opportunity I would far rather know and grow with that person than be given the "gift " of having a silver spoon birther as a friend !
Most importantly , We cannot slice the 'goodness " of humanity into pie wedges of economic status , into social acceptable graduations , into godlike or deviled categories , The poor are made up of the good and bad people just as equally proportioned as the rich are .
But you all know this ,accept it or not and for whatever reason . - ahorsebackposted 6 years ago0
Kathryn , Never expect the opposing party to respond to you when you nail the truth without legitimate questions , That is when they ignore you the most . There is an ideology here who won't look , listen or see your point when you're right .
Need I explain who ? The poor have a VASTLY different psychology than either the solidly middle, upper middle, & upper classes. The poor just DON'T care. They are passive regarding life. They also choose lifestyles which encourage impoverished thinking hence poverty.
The poor are unambitious. They are content to be where they are. They imbue their children with their negative, fatalistic philosophy. They teach their children to just settle in life & to be content w/crumbs. They inculcate their children w/the premise that they are to know their place & not even aspire to improve themselves educationally nor socioeconomically. They also have LARGE/VERY LARGE families which exacerbates their IMPOVERISHED condition.
Poor people are against education. They view education as outside their purview. They believe in survival, not thriving. They also act instinctively instead of logically & intellectually. They exist near the primitive level of culture. One can state that the poor are reactive. They are also childish in their approach to life. They ACT and think later, if at all. They believe in immediate gratification. They have no concept of the future. The poor have a vastly different culture & outlook from the solidly middle, upper middle, & upper classes who PLAN & STRATEGIZE.
Oh well, the poor will destroy themselves by their habits. There will be no room for the poor in this future advanced, computerized culture & society. The poor will become the underclass & society will see the poor as...……….USELESS BURDENS. They will fill the prison systems &/or be used as army fodder. People are beginning to see the poor as burdens. The poor won't even improve it seems, they become progressively worse. The poor has to curbed in one way or...……...ANOTHER!- ahorsebackposted 6 years ago0
General statements huh ? The poor are forever , the poor are resilient , proud , strong and character filled , they are survivors , the poor have strong character , unbending ethics , morality and exist in the one and only transient and eternal reality . The poor can have high I.Q. they can be intellectual , motivated and possess strong familial characteristics , The poor function successfully in a world filled with economic hurdles , they eat , sleep and learn faster in many ways better than the economically entitled , the poor are eternally well connected with the abilities of survival against all odds.
But what I love most about the poor , In spite of their often times surreal and simple grasp on reality , they live more honestly connected to life and humanity itself ,even though they live within a humanity that is fully understood by them to be often strange in it's acceptance of the simplicity of poverty itself , They realize fully and completely that wealth in the economic sense is nothing more than a fleeting and superficial presence often times blowing through there occasional "wealth " like shyte through a tin -horned goose " .The "poor " fully realize that those who exist in "wealth" are more often than not phony in personality , nonexistent of character , shallow in maturity and turd- like in understanding life itself.-1000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000. You are so WRONG...…….Poverty is a DISEASE. Poverty is HELL! Only those w/inverse logic want to be.....POOR! The poor are the D-F students of society. There is a reason why they are AT THE BOTTOM of society. They are toxic. They are hoodrats who want nothing out of life. They envy the educated, socioeconomically affluent & successful. They want nothing out of life but to be mired in poverty.
Don't worry. The poor are falling behind & they will never catch up. Their jobs & livelihoods are fleeting & going by the wayside. Blue collar & manufacturing jobs are becoming a thing of the past. Jobs now require advanced education & skills. Poor children are falling by the wayside, regulated to crappy schools which will lead to a poor quality of education. The poor are going to be future slaves & the underclass. They will fill our prisons & our armies. The middle, upper middle, & upper classes will sit down w/the popcorn & watch THE PURGE of the poor begin.
The poor are becoming quite superfluous in our advanced, computerized society. The poor now have no one way to go. Poor children aren't about to advance into the more affluent classes because they don't have the opportunities & means to do so. The poor by their personalities are primitive & even brutish. They are also uncivilized & uncultivated. They hate success & don't want others to succeed. They have what you have manifested so well a hatred of the socioeconomically wealthy & a crab in the barrel mentality. Poor people are toxic elements to avoid like the plaque. They want nothing & are nothing. The poor are cesspools of society & people now realize this. To reiterate, the poor are society's D-F students.
The poor live an animal's existence which no right-thinking person would want to live. I know now that you GLORIFY poverty & HATE/DETEST wealth. That is typical of those who have a poverty mindset & consciousness. Never wanting to improve oneself & hating those who DO. Poor people are liabilities & they are examples of those that people DON'T want to be. They are the people that one must AVOID. The poor are like lepers in an advanced, civilized society. (Talking about the poor in the United States now).
See your true colors here. You LOVE & REVEL in poverty & want nothing else in life. Your BAD. Poverty is EVIL & wealth is good. It is POOR people who commit crimes because of their scant socioeconomic conditions. It is POOR people who push their children into crimes in order to afford a more comfortable lifestyle. It is POOR people who act in an animal-like fashion because their existence is primitive & rudimentary.
POOR communities create the WORST type of people-hoodlums, criminals, & other nefarious types. POOR people aren't intellectual because intellectualism is beyond the purview of poor people who act & live by the LOWEST instinct. POOR people are the worst class of people there IS. I attended school w/poor children & they were uncouth, uncivilized, & feral. We middle class children thought that these children were from another planet. POOR people are different & exist in a world devoid of culture, refinement, & other forms of cultivation.
They have a primitiveness that other classes don't have. Don't disparage the wealthy. The wealthy are far better people. They are intelligent, cultured, & civilized. They CREATE while the poor TAKES. Soon the poor will be gone-either through the prison systems or through war. With the rise in technology & computerization, it will the EDUCATED & AFFLUENT who will thrive while the LESS EDUCATED & POOR will be SLAVES &/or...……..WORSE...…...MUCH WORSE. People are becoming SICK of the POOR. They are eyesores on society!GM , "The sheep shall inherit the earth ".........both figuratively and in reality . Do you know why ?
Because your wall street WILL fail , your urban fantasy lifestyle with go dark , your portfolio will evaporate , your perceived wealth on "paper "will not feed you , it will not run your vehicle when there is no fuel , it will not cleanse you when there is no hot water , your wealth will never teach you how to go into the forest and acquire food , warmth or shelter .........
Enough of this denigration by wealth , you cannot win against the will of the real survivors . You cannot purchase common sense , real survivor knowledge , you yourself are "poor " in your grasp on the greatest reality known to man . The poor will eat , sleep and breed long after the day of the demise of the great wealths of the world , Proof ? Look next door , raise that gate in your community , go past the guard house ,drive down the street and roll down your window , we exist , we are here , we were here before you , we bred you and those like you into existence and we will be here long after you're gone !
Want to eliminate the origins of the poor , slice off your right arm , your left leg , bury your grandparents , disown one of your parents and half your grandchildren , Poverty is as much a part of who you are as your daughter or your son is !Oh boy, lesson time YET AGAIN. The poor will be PHASED out. There will be NO PLACE for the poor & impoverished in future societies. Jobs will require a HIGH level of education & skills which poor people DON'T have. The poor are FALLING BEHIND...…………...WAY BEHIND! They won't be needed & there will be fewer social programs to assist them. The poor will be viewed as......EXCESS. Such EXCESS will be imprisoned or be used for war. The poor will be good for war- just send the poor to war- oops, problem solved.
The poor are becoming increasingly unnecessary. They are becoming problematic. People see this & will act upon this. How are problems solved-by ELIMINATING the problem at hand. The affluent ain't going anywhere. The affluent will become...……….MORE PROMINENT as the future will belong to the affluent & educated. The poor are the ones that will be...……...GONE. There will be NO NEED for poor people in the FUTURE. With the event of robotization, the poor will serve NO PURPOSE whatsoever.
Societies have found creative ways to solve situations which are deemed to be burdensome. Well, the poor are becoming downright problematic, if not burdensome. They DRAIN & cause HAVOC whenever they go. People DON'T want them around. Well, there will be ways in the future to solve the problem which is called THE POOR. To reiterate, the POOR are society's D-F students. The poor are a burden to society, to themselves, & to others who have to foot the bill. The poor are distractors- they are poor because they are unintelligent, primitive, & illogical. No one has to be POOR with all the educational & socioeconomic opportunities. People are poor because they are LAZY period!Poverty can be ELIMINATED humanely. Let's eliminate poverty humanely before it is eliminated inhumanely.
(1) Educate poor people. If people are educated & have commensurate jobs, the rate of poverty will significantly decrease.
(2) Cut welfare by 90-95%. Institute working program to instill a work ethic & self-respect.
(3) Poor people must learn that poverty & being poor isn't a badge of honor. Teach them to achieve & aspire to at least a solidly middle class status.
(4) Make birth control & sterilization MANDATORY. Yes, I said mandatory. Poor people have LARGE/VERY LARGE families. Well, the larger the family, the higher percentage of poverty. Large/very large families are poor to impoverished, if not penurious. Large/very large families have to depend upon OUTSIDE assistance to stay socioeconomically afloat whether it is though relatives, schools, churches, & other institutions. If it weren't for school food programs, children from large/very large families wouldn't eat.
(4) Teach poor people to have LONG-TERM planning. Poor people aren't logical nor organized. They are instinctive & think of immediate gratification like children. Poor people have childish, immature mannerisms. They don't believe in planning nor strategizing for the future. They want it & want it NOW.
Poverty can be eliminated if poor people are taught to plan, think intellectually/logically, & to be RESPONSIBLE. The average poor person is IRRESPONSIBLE as evident in their actions. POOR people, for the most part, revel in poverty & want to be poor. It is normative for them not to want to achieve & improve themselves. They would rather live at the VERY LOWEST common denominator than to live like a civilized human being. There is a backwardness about poor people which ISN'T present in the middle, upper middle, & upper classes who are more forward thinking.GM , I do and have done work for very rich people all of my life ! There are times when in all their genius they don't know how to perform the simplest jobs , turn a screw , cut a board , fix a door , open a window , drive a car or back up a pick up ..............
When the power goes off and they can't brew their latte who do they call ? The man who earns $ 20,000 a year , when their car won't start who do they call , the mechanic who earns $8 bucks an hour , when their toilet won't flush who do they call ? A plumber ...........You know that guy down the street with the white van that you consider "beneath" you ?
The poor one .Mechanics & plumbers are middle class. One can say that they are from solidly middle to upper middle class. Hell, a few are wealthy. I know a maintenance person who earns well over $100K annually. Those jobs are HIGHLY SKILLED, don't you forget that.
I've not met one here who is generalizing the poor as much as you and wrongly so . Why one dirges the poor as much as you do is strange ? What element of middle or upper class that you so honor and adore didn't come from the very poverty that you so despise so ?
Middle & upper class people believe in education, planning, & prosperity, especially for future generations. They also believe in smaller families. They care for their children & make sacrifices for them. They INVEST in their children.
Lower income i.e. poor people DON'T believe in education, planning, & prosperity. Such things are foreign concepts to lower income i.e. poor people. Lower income people don't give a rat ******* for their future generations, it is all about their gratification. They have LARGE to VERY LARGE families -they can't support their children. Such children become bullies, beating other children for lunch monies, receive outside assistance because their parents can't support/provide for them, become delinquents & even criminals. They could care less about their children. They even see their children as burdens- pushing them to leave home asap i.e. throwaway/disposable children. They dehumanize their children because of impoverished conditions.
Middle & upper class values didn't come from poverty at all. Middle & upper class values are diametrically different from that of impoverishment. Please use logic here, ahorseback. To say that middle & upper class values morphed from impoverishment but didn't come from it. Middle & upper class values are more forward & developed than lower class values that are more primitive, backwards, & debased. Lower income i.e. poor people act from a more instinctive level. It is more like existing at an animal level. Middle & upper class values are more logical. People at the middle & upper class level are more cultivated, civilized, & have a logical premise. Poor people aren't logical nor rational. They act primitively. I have observed poor people & they act at the lowest level similar to lower life forms. There is no couth nor manners about lower income i.e. poor people. Poor people are CRUDE. Amazonian Indians are more civilized than lower income i.e. poor people.
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