Has this election season changed America forever? If you think so, then how?
Charges of election rigging, infiltration by the "Russians," troves of e-mail leaks, inflammatory rhetoric from both parties, and outright fraud are all topics making headlines. Add in the real violence we're seeing; violence that includes destruction of campaigning materials, graffiti, and several fire-bombings. It's become something different than a "normal" American election cycle. With so much corruption exposed from the Washington insider community, those of us on the outside are forced to ask ourselves and our future new leaders, if it's possible to go back to what we knew beforehand.
No presidential candidate will ever again reveal their tax returns.
I guess since its not a legal requirement then you're probably right. Good observation.
Who cares, they file an extensive financial disclosure, 92 pages in his case crammed with detailing assets, income sources and positions held. If there is something illegal about any taxes we'd know it,otherwise just political hack hunt.
we all know the left wanted Trump's tax returns to dispute his net worth
There is such a thing as an ethical obligation. We now have even less reason to trust our so-called leaders and future dictators.
Scott.....My friend, is that even possible?? LESS reason to trust "our so-called leaders?" Gosh, I've hit rock bottom in the trust dept. I envy you if you can still hang in there! Peace, Paula
I didn't vote for DT, but I don't fault him for not paying taxes he didn't owe. The loopholes are legal. Would any of us give up our mortgage interest as a tax credit? In that regard he was smart. But legal loopholes for the rich need to be closed.
Some students are don't like trump as president
Scott,as always is pre-judging.Ethical governing of the country can only be judged after Trump takes the presidency and his performance in delivering his promises and ethical behavior in doing his job is evaluated.Scott is prejudiced
I think everyone agrees that there's a cabal organizing to take down Trump. You can read about it here: www.dailystormer.com
Not really. Tip O'Neill and Ronald Reagan respected one another.
The changes started taking place during the Bill Clinton era.
There were lots of partisan politicking going on prior to his impeachment. And then there was George W. Bush election of 2000 where Florida was deciding factor in the eyes of many where his brother happened to be Governor. The Supreme Court eventually stepped in and Gore conceded. If Gore had won his home state of TN he would have won. Clinton did it twice!
Then there was the election of Obama and the accusation that he wasn't even born in the country and therefore was not a legitimate president. And yet when Ted Cruz who was born Canada announced he was running for president no one other than Trump raised an eyebrow.
The Obama presidency also gave birth to the "Tea Party" Republicans who wanted to shut down the government rather than compromise. In fact any "bipartisan activity" was seen as treason!
I will say starting with Bill Clinton's presidency both parties have entrenched themselves in "opposition party" politics. Essentially don't participate in anything which could make "the other guy" look good.
There use to be a time where the loser of an election accepted the vote and both parties allowed the new president to have a "honeymoon" period.
When Obama won however Senator Mitch McConnell immediately stated his party's goal was to insure he's a one term president. There is talk now that if Hillary wins efforts will made to impeach her!
Once again there will be no "honeymoon period".
This election has only removed another layer from a rotten apple.
As for the "rigged assertion" by Donald Trump you have to consider the source. When "The Apprentice" didn't win an Emmy he said the Emmy's are "rigged" and when he lost Iowa in the primaries to Ted Cruz he said the Republican Primaries were "rigged"!
Essentially only when (he) wins are things legit.
Thanks for sharing these details from history - they make the discussion better. I'd summarize your comments to say the polarization of partisanship just keeps getting stronger.
Actually for the better.
In 2020, and beyond, the quality of our candidates will be far better because everyone will remember the stench of these two candidates. No one wants to put themselves and the rest of the country through this again. Positioning to be the "squeaky clean" candidate for the GOP will start in 18 months. If HRC has a rough couple of years, who knows if she will be challenged. Whoever they are, the age of the candidates will also be a lot younger (less baggage).
We can only go up from here. How much worse can it get?
Will a squeaky clean candidate matter if partisanship continues to be the primary focus? The two party system by default doesn't leave room for important qualities like honesty and integrity.
Not sure CJ is the one to ask Ralph, he continuously said Trump didn't have a chance. His reasoning always illogical.
Still, every question deserves a fair analysis
CJ, it can get much worse. Trump has taught future candidates that the path to the White House requires taking the low road.
Democracy in the U.S. is declining fast. The future belongs to billionaire presidents and their propaganda machines.
It's not so bad right now. We have a fantastic President elect and in 2024 maybe one of Trumps sons could run.
This country seems to be going towards a downfall in regards to integrity, as far as I'm concerned. The quality of this country, I believe depends upon the leadership, in which, we the people of this great nation chooses to elect for this role.
How much worse can it get?CJ is as wrong as he was predictingTrump a loser.Read what a guy who predicted the election& the aftermath is predicting http://www.naturalnews.com/056068_predi … rdons.html
Wikileaks has changed American's view of politics and politicians. It is revealed in black and white how corrupt the system really is. We are just pawns being manipulated election after elections. This election cycle exposes this in such a way that it changed our perception of politics and polls and "how the sausages are made". I for one is sick of the whole process. We need real reform in this country and it must start with term limits and campaign finances...Money corrupts the system and it can only be fixed by fundamentally changing how elections are conducted.
I see "leaking" information as the new, albeit sensationalist, way of the future news cycle - I expect to see Republican databases hacked subtly in a counter attack someday
Well maybe that will help to make the parties and their candidates more transparent.
Term limits don't end Democrat vote fraud - or the unelected bureaucracy that gives the President massive power to go around Congress discussed in Charles Murray's books.
OK, Tamara, Trump said the election was rigged, now maybe he's proven himself to be correct.
Wikileaks simply proved that people will believe anything they hear -- even from the Russian intelligence services.
Scott, I disagree. Wikileaks did the job that media used to do. If you think the leaks are fake, I like to know the details. The hacked emails are plain to see. It exposed the raw feelings behind the scene.
Even Hillary Clinton is not stupid enough to deny the authenticity of the leaked emails.
We have reached the point where "Money" is the deciding factor on who wins an election. Those willing to put up the most money usually win the election.
Elections would only be fair if every candidate was given exactly the same amount of money with instructions to spend it wisely. They would also have to account for all their spending at the end of the election. Those caught using their own or outside funds would be disqualified.
We have had an entire year to endure the worst smear campaign by both parties I have ever seen. Our country is the most divided it has been since the civil war, mostly based on lies and rumors about the candidates.
I would hope that we someday have a candidate we can believe who could really "fix" Washington. The current level of corruption has reached a point where we can't rise above it with any of the current players still in office.
Term limits would help clean it up, but we have those now if everyone would vote with their head on straight. I can honestly say this is the first time ever I hated having to vote because I didn't really like either candidate.
Term limits plus other guidelines would work better - such as once you hold public office, you can never become a lobbyist, or putting term limits on judges also
Term limits don't affect liberals having illegal aliens vote, multiple voting proven via Project Veritas, mailing in ballot and voting in person instructions provided by Democrats.
Oh, Tamara, it is narrow-minded people like you who will keep this country down. Ralph, I've never liked term limits, but I'm beginning to change my mind. I would like to see some of the do-nothings in DC replaced.
I agree with Mike, mostly! I can't believe it. Money is definitely the problem. Not sure term limits would help. Trump won, in part, because people think he's immune to financial influence. But look at who he's taking with him - same old, same old.
Money has a profoundly minuscule impact on the outcome of elections, the fact that the Clinton campaign actually had more money than Trump proves that. Award winning economist Steven Levitt actually has some very interesting research on this topic.
Hillary had twice as much money as Trump's campaign and lost the election. I would normally have agreed with your statement that money is the deciding factor but that has now been debunked. It turns out the message and will of the people wins out.
The will of the people? You've got to be kidding. Until money is controlled in politics, we will never get a candidate who isn't a millionaire/billionaire or influenced/controlled by the same.
Some say Trump's masterful control of the media was the difference - his content was so good that they couldn't avoid reporting on it, thus giving him tons of free airtime
Mike- Unfortunately what you're suggesting is the type campaign finance reform that chuck Schumer was for. This results in reelecting incumbents in record number because the resources of there office give them a huge edge.
Who ever wins. They have my support. I am going to respect my President. The president is our leader. Congratulations to both. They work too much to win the election.I wish peace and love for both. The legacy is in their hands. The founder fathers would have being proud to see their love in serving this great nation. It is the highest calling in this planet. God bless America to the greatest well being.
I don't believe that the election changed America. It is Technology used by almost everyone that has changed America. Both sides tweet. They use email for good and for bad. News outlets use the latest technology to bring in panelists from all over the world in 24 hour news cycles.
Anybody can find anything they want on the internet to support their views and confirm in their minds that those views are correct, regardless of what is reality and the truth. It has allowed us to see the soft, dark underbelly of the country and created new norms for treating those who do not agree with us.
We have lost respect for those that don't agree with our values and belief systems. I don't know if we will every recover. It has allowed hacking of private emails by foreign sources. It makes those that don't agree with our government authorities to question their competence and judgement. We have learned how to make comparisons based on false equivalence and not make equal comparisons. It has created great propaganda machines that can literally change people's lives.
I don't think we will ever go back from this point, but we will go forward for good and/or for bad. That is the nature of technology. The internet can be used for good or evil and that is how people will use it. It is all digital ones and zeros.
Yes but wikileaks has made the contribution of exposing corruption in media and political machines and politicians in power...This use to be the primary job of a free media - "freedom of the press". They have been discredited and it is a good thing.
This election revealed out new media is as biased as old media. WikiLeaks Makes DNC Look Bad - Banned on Facebook and Shadowbanned on Twitter
Apple, Twitter, Google, Instagram collude to defeat Trump
Media is sickening - now they're going on about how 'they didn't realize how angry people were' to provoke them the way they did. Idiots. Jack, yer way to hung up on wikileaks. I can relate to this answer: we're not doomed & realization = change.
Yes, the new media creates challenges for the average person. Who or what are we suppose to believe? I still prefer the old days when journalist did their job and they left their bias at the door. Wikileaks is not perfect but it serves a purpose.
Some on here noted the power technology had... it is true, people could communicate with one another on facebook, they could communicate with the candidate on twitter, so yes... big change... home grown support.
Another big change was the mainstream media threw its hat into the ring like never before, they did everything they could think of to magnify the worst of Trump, the media painted Trump as some uber evil racist, sexist pig... its unfortunate, its unfortunate people believe the worst of these things, its unfortunate the media said he was the next Hitler, he was KKK, he was a rapist, and the backlash and hate we see towards our President elect is what happens when the media creates these horrible despicable views without regard to the consequence.
This election exposed that they were in collusion with the Clinton camp, that they were actively working to undermine the Republican candidates while trying to aid Clinton (even against Bernie) in anyway they could.
This election exposed that the media is biased not objective, they in effect are nothing more than a vast progressive orientated propaganda machine. They don't report news so much as drive people's opinions.
No one will ever really trust the mainstream media again, not when it comes to politics, not the people who are aged 30 thru 70 right now.
Social media, facebook, youtube, etc... will forever trump the mainstream media from now on, the NYTimes and Washington Post and all such modes of reporting the 'news' are effectively dead for future political contests, few will pay any attention to their biased rants.
That is about it... there have been more serious issues in past elections... when Bush Jr. was elected people were still protesting him on the day he was sworn in... many never let it go, for 8 years they ranted and raved against him... Reagan when he was first elected wasn't so popular with the media and the young people either...
The issues we face today... rampant uncontrolled illegal immigration, religious based terrorism, massive unbelievable national debt, etc. are new, are dangerous... but that reflects the time and age we are living in, not so much the election process.
Definitely for the better. Funnily enough, I think this will pave the way for better social progress in the long run.
I'm all for discourse and discussion, but the progressive development is way too fast for its own good. You can't claim values as if it's right when the majority of people aren't on board yet - think SJWs who "stand up" angrily for at worst innocent misunderstandings, like misappropriating genders or that silly Hugh Mungus debacle. A bit of blood-letting is what they need to step back and reassess their approach.
Discourse at large could definitely improve. Consistently, the "screw you" attitude is what a lot of conservatives cite - they don't like being outright called ignorant or racist (even if they might be). Intellectuals could have had more grace bringing them up to speed on issues over the past 8 years, but instead it's been a "you're with us or you're lower class" train without the brakes.
It's probably tough to stomach now, but America belongs to its conservatives as much as its liberals. As unpleasant as it seems for both sides to work with each other, it's good to remember:
1) The extremes of any side are usually a tiny but very vocal proportion, and are not representative of the whole;
2) In the end, a better economy is also a means to cure of the ills of the underprivileged.
I wrote out my thoughts on the 4 lessons we can take away from the election here - http://hubpages.com/politics/6-Lessons- … l-Election - but that's a summary of how I feel.
I can effect not totally change the America, but somehow it will, like effect the visitor, but on the other hand it can also help the Americans like reduce the taxes.
Guess who was in charge of making sure Russian hackers couldn't get into electoral computers? FBI man James Comey (pronounced "commi").
We can all breath a sigh of relief that a completely impartial FBI leader was there to ensure a fair vote.
O wait wasn't he the same FBI guy who unleashed false reports about Clinton only days before the election? And HE was in charge of electoral computers??!!!!
I am looking forward not backward. Just my opinion but we need change we were headed down a slippy down hill path. I am looking for new...
Yes, I think so. I'm answering this question after the election and having my few days of anger and tears disappear. At first, I thought only about the despair I felt for, well, everything and everybody. However, I have since realized the sheer greatness of what evil can do in the spirits of peaceful people.
I watched a nation unite in protest last night, and it was awesome! I woke up today and listened to my brothers like Alex Ebert and Deepak Chopra fill us with the most wisdom ever. I realized just what they see. We are all the fault of this; not just the majority of uneducated white America, but even the most educated of all races. We hid. We hid in the fact that one single vote woud somehow cause the change we wanted. We hid in the fact that we accepted the way this America is, and it is selfish!! We, ourselves played by the hands of an America that has lost vision of true values, and as much as we wanted Hillary in that seat, we realized some of you were right. It would have stayed the same in a lot of ways. We couldn't change that way.
We now have found that change. It has come to light in the most peculiar but inspiring way. We found it through Evil. Lol.... Can you believe that?! We are picking up our dignity, dusting off our defeat, and we are out there saying we will not stand for evil in our house (America). This may not change who ends up in that big White House on the Hill, but it certainly will help all of us move forward for a greater good; fighting for it together and realizing the real truth we seek, is within ourselves, not a president. I feel hopeful. Who knows, we may even make Donald Trump open his eyes and become a better man! Hahahaaaa. Keep Calm and Start a Revolution!!! We still have your spirit Bernie!!
Missy, your views are the results of what you've been fed by the media. In times like this, my advice is to step back, and assess what just happened. One way Is to list on paper what you believe to be true and what is "real". Then ? Your sources.
Missy - nice speech. Enjoy that Revolution you're working on. You'll likely have to hunt hard for help since under President Trump, everyone will be working again and wont have time to complain about how great things are.
All countries are always changing, just like the earth itself is constantly changing. Every individual in every country in the earth is always changing. Change is intrinsic to life.
If this country went back to what we knew beforehand we would not be headed in the direction the Founders gave their lives for by working and writing with high hope that people would respond to the effort with the same vision to be an example to the world.
The problem is the dismissal of their advice and the embracing of what they fled to build a new place for people to live freely. They wanted future generations to build on their work, their experience, and their counsel but what the generations have done is take it all for granted.
Can we go forward with renewed purpose is the real question. Will this new leadership do that? Will the people who rose up to say "enough!" fall back into their same habits of not paying attention to holding leadership accountable or just continue to be blind followers because they are in a comfortable place again. Will they realize that it's all temporary unless it is vigilantly protected by their involvement?
Political science as we know it is gone. The traditional political model of primaries dictates that traditionally, each candidate will in the origins of the election cycle paint themselves as very strongly aligned with their respective party. As the general election begins, those same candidates will then take a hard turn towards the moderate middle in an effort to obtain undecided and independent votes. This is the way it's always been. This cycle, however, did not follow these rules. Clinton did not turn towards the middle, but rather slowly arced. She was forced to stay far more to the left than she originally intended for one reason: Bernie Sanders. Trump, on the other hand, actually became for conservative as the election progressed, and never made an attempt to appeal towards moderate democrats or independents. The fact that he won without doing this breaks every political normality we've observed in our country since 1776. 2016 changed everything.
I think this is a great question. First of all, I want to address the issue of election rigging, and infiltration by the Russians in this year's election. The primary issue of election rigging is ridiculous. First of all, if any election rigging were to occur, would it not be logical that Mrs. Hillary Clinton is more likely to be the actor behind such an action? After all, Mrs. Clinton has been proven to be a liar and is evidenced to be a person who prefers the old cover-up over accountability or buying her way out of a problem. And surely, if the election were to be rigged, would it not be rigged in the favor of Mrs. Clinton? After all, Donald Trump seems more likely to use money rather than deception as a tool in his quest for power. Secondly, the issue of the Russians infiltrating the American election is just preposterous. Vladimir Putin has never been secretive about his thirst for power, and his blatant actions to achieve that power are never cloaked in secrecy. Putin is proud of his bold actions, as evidenced by Russia's most recent territorial expansions, and if Putin wants something, he takes it. Therefore, it doesn't seem likely that Russia would waste its time on something as inconsequential to Russian politics as an American election. Putin seems poised to handle any political ally in any manner he prefers, and that is true to the spirit of the Russians: in your face, bold, and ready for any fight. That is the underlying element of their very composition: bravery and strength in the face of opposition.
In regards to email leaks, inflammatory rhetoric from both parties, and outright fraud; all of the aforementioned issues appear to come more out of Hillary Clinton's campaign than President-Elect Trump's. After all, let's not forget that Mrs. Clinton, the current Secretary of State, has a proven history of lies, deceit, and dishonor. Should we mention Benghazi, or the FBI investigation into Mrs. Clinton? The inflammatory rhetoric, on the other hand, has simply gone over the line in certain elements, particularly those denigrating certain races and genders. However, isn't any competition fraught with good fight-talk? When was the time that we, as Americans, lost our backbone, and became so sissified that we can't even handle some good ol' competitive talk? Lastly, there's the issue of fraud. Though Trump's business dealings have received scrutiny, again Mrs. Clinton is the more guilty party, when it comes to fraud and deceipt.
I hope that the vetting of candidates will improve. Campaign finance is an absolute must. The campaign season needs to be shortened, but this steps over into first amendment rights of freedom of speech. We could choose a president in a fraction of the time.
The post election violence and rioting is sad. We have always valued the peaceful transfer of power in this nation. But look how we lost that treasured truth. It wasn't a rogue military leader who stormed Washington D.C. It is us, the people, rioting like spoiled children in the streets because we lost a fair election. It was not the 2 year disgusting campaign that is the saddest point in our country's history. It is the post election temper tantrums that sacrificed our treasured Peaceful Transfer of Power. I extend a very sarcastic Thank You, to everyone participating in any way in this nonsense.
I didn't vote for HRC or DT. She has too much baggage. He has too little discipline. Hillary voters respond with anger rising from fear for America's future. The anger needs to be positively directed. We are all changing. We need to guide the change.
Snowflakes have never been taught how to lose - maybe if we passed out participation ribbons at the protests everyone would go home.
The people have shown that they want a change and trump apparently became the last resort. This will help many people to realize the true capacity of their elected nominee. Moreover, it will determine the number of people voting for the next campaign as people will become aware of the repercussions of their decision.
Or just maybe people will see that America can be a better place once we relieve Washington of all the stagnant water (drain the swamp)
Ralph, what do you think of the appointments so far? Does this go against draining the swamp. These are all insiders. I must say, I do like the choices so far. But I have reservations about Romney. If he doesn't get SOS, his political career is over.
Trump will win yo because there is way then noone stop it
Trump on the other hand actually became for conservative as the election progressed and never made an attempt to appeal towards moderate democrats or independents..
No. We will not go back to the past. I think the 2016 Presidential cycle changed the way we view the so call Democratic Representatives who poses as journalist. They are not journalist. The U.S. political system needs to be blown up permanently. The Democratic Party is the destruction of the United States.
This election was not one that illuminated the love and unity in America, but instead the utter hate built up in people. As a country we have a future president that has insulted races, religions, and war veterans. However the message that he used was one of hate and that was a very magnetic force. We have to as American people stay strong and remember our key values; we have to work together as Americans, not republicans or democrats. We are all human beings.
I think this past election if anything taught us that the major media outlet should be suspect as to the information they relay to the TV viewers. I would hope that this will changed for the future presidential election cycles.
I think we need to start distinguishing very clearly between fear and hatred. I think fear was more of a driving force than hatred.
Yes, trump brought out many racist from under their rocks. Lets make America white again! Note....America was never white.
Really, is that still all you liberals can do, call people who disagree with you racists, homophobes, sexists, basket of deplorables? That's one of the biggest reasons you lost the election, people are sick of your now transparent tactics.
Clive, this is a very offensive, divisive and insulting comment.
Identity politics - the last remaining fortress of liberal politics. It's no wonder America chose something different.
Too bad, Clive! White Americans have been getting screwed for the past 50 years and it's about time to level the playing field, wipe out the globalists, and make America great again. You need to read The Daily Stormer.
No, i don't think because United states have the Static politic and every president when comes applying this politic and can't neglect it
Not yet. We should give chance other person to showcase their talent and power.
I think Yes,the election changed America and the world
First l want to say that I don't like Clinton and neither do I like Trump. Clinton is corrupt (Clinton foundation) and Trump too (to afraid to show his taxes.) And there's much more to say..But that's not the discussion here.
The first thing that happened is that somebody who has no clue about politics won the elections. He is not outside the establishment, definitely not. He works with the 1%, although he is a minor player. Trump will notice that running a country is completely different then running a business and will soon learn that he's not the boss anymore. Many decisions will be taken out of his control. He screamed a lot during his campaign but most is impossible to do. (only if you are a dictator you can do so, but he made a lot of enemies both at the Republican and the Democratic side.)
Trump used his position immediately to give his family important positions, that's what a mafia Godfather would do. But to me it looks as if Trump will be given a couple of chocolate bars so he will be happy and in the mean time the real politics will happen behind his back. Just like Rumsfeld and Cheney ruled the US and not Bush.
All that stuff about election rigging and Rusians infiltrating is not important. The US never was a fair system in the first place. But maybe, just maybe this nutcase of a Trump broke the door.
The US is/was basically based on a two party system, but Trump showed us that you can win an election outside the powers of the parties. This is the biggest fear for both parties, a competitor. And maybe, just maybe we will have in the next elections more independent people who will go for the presidency, outside the party system. This would be a good thing, but maybe I do not know enough about the American voting system to see it right. Because let's face it, There are far better people walking around in the US who would be a better president then Trump or Clinton. If Trump can be a president, so can you.(just need a bit of money.)
I think the answer is in the way Trump sings about Democracy in America. Take a look at this video I made of him singing a song from the late Leonard Cohen: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ythb4PSWBIA
I think it is yet a bit early to determine this, but, time will tell. Seems to me that our Presidents seem to get away with a lot more crap than what they used to.
It's only changed it insomuch as it has exposed the truth of things and allowed people with no voice in the process to come out and express themselves. Where Brietbart and The Daily Stormer used to be on the fringe, now they are mainstream because Donald Trump is President and his is open to forms of media other than the New York Times.
My opinion has been changed significantly now that I'm reading The Daily Stormer. How about yours?
We need to worry about our nation first and our people first and stop trying to solve everyone's problems.
I strongly believed the past election has not change Americans Now but this may happen in the near future.Having said that,majority of Americans were happy when they heard the announcement or the score.Although, the type of change is unknown to everybody...So we keep watching to see how Trump will play the political game .It is a good inspiration.
NO this is okay. We need to see that what tramp to do. right or wrong.
America is still the same and will not change because of a president ... the system is remaining the same.
Thanks for weighing in, but I strongly disagree with your statement. America will change a lot once we have a businessman in office - not because it's Trump, but because business people are hardwired to fix problems, not kick them down the road
Absolutely, Ralph. We need to make sure ALL Americans are doing well, not just the city folk. We need to focus more attention on rural America and get those coal and blue collar jobs back from foreigners.
Yes, I think this election season has changed America dramatically. It is unfortunate to see our country so polarized now. While it has always been divided 50/50 between Republicans and Democrats (at least in my lifetime), this was never problematic for Americans until now. We always lived alongside one another with respect for each other's opinion. This election, however, has brought out anger and disgust on a tremendous scale (on both sides of the political spectrum); to a point where I don't know if we will ever truly heal or not.
We have learned how to make comparisons based on false equivalence and not make equal comparisons.
America is changed forever after every election. I'd love to pack pistols with daisies, but the reality is, the orange man is in charge. The riots I've seen are not protests of Trump, but democracy. That's what I fear, a people who forget that you can lose and still be win in the greater scope of freedom.
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