Does being gay matter?

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Wonder_Womanposted 13 years ago
why is it really such a big deal to be gay? or to for gays to marry? why is it so complicated?
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  frogdroppingposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Because others would appear to make it so? Who knows. One of life's mysteries.
  
  And my friend doesn't think his life is complicated - he's happy with what/who he is, what he's got and where he's going
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  IntimatEvolutionposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  I don't get it either.
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  prettydarkhorseposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  this is a big deal to some people because it has connotation on economic arrangements snd the concept of family.
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  Rayalternatelyposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  It's not, or at least it shouldn't be. What is really weird is what motivates people to get so angry about who you choose to share your genitalia with... like it effects them!
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  sneakorocksolidposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  That lack of respect is exactly why we don't want marraige polluted with the circus people.
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  Colebabieposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Talk about lack of respect. Sneako, you contradict yourself on so many levels. May I suggest some self reflection and reevaluation?
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  sneakorocksolidposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Lets see we have the homos, the bis, women who hate men, we have the minorities with a chip on their shoulder, the petas, tree hugers, the grazers, no gun people, socialists, unionists, atheists, peaceniks, the heads, PCer's, free lovers, abortionists, progressives and the self apointed intellectuals. Sounds like a circus to me!
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  Ron Montgomeryposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Sounds more like 90% of the U.S. population.
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  Colebabieposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Pretty much. But according to him more than half of the US population is full of people like him.
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  Colebabieposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Are you being serious?? What is with you and labels? And who are you to say that people who fit into your tiny little closed-minded labels shouldn't get married?
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  sneakorocksolidposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  I'm in a mood. I just don't like the idea of gay marraige, too many loose ends. They deserve the same rights but let them get their own insitution, why ruin ours?
  
  This is my opinion but if it's made a law I'll obey it, how did the gays in California act after the vote? Thats the difference.
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  Colebabieposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Umm your labels included a lot more than homosexuals. Minorities? Environmental activists? Women's rights activists? Not even sure what you meant by the rest of your labels.
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  sneakorocksolidposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  The liberal circus.
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  Colebabieposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  So now "liberals" shouldn't be allowed to get married?
  Why do you want everyone to be unhappy? Just live with the fact that there are people that don't think as you do. Doesn't mean you should wish bad things for them. I've come to terms with the fact that people like you are here, and I wish you nothing but happiness.
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  sneakorocksolidposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  When did I wish bad things on anyone? We all have to find our own happiness and it should never be at the expense of anothers. Ruining marraige so gays can rub it in our face when you know we're willing to accept a civil union is just plain mean. You or the gay community want a compromise you just want a victory over conservative Christian.
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  sneakorocksolidposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  It's that circus that drove alot of moderates away from the democrats. It's a freak show! Look at all those special interests groups battling to be heard! Yikes!!
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  dejajolieposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Minorities=Circus.......you know one day Minorities will be the Majority right..... What God do you serve, last time I checked he created us ALL equally!
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  Stevennix2001posted 13 years agoin reply to this
  damn, i hate it when racist decide to play god. don't you dejajolie?
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  dejajolieposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  I'm a bit turned off
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  sneakorocksolidposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Out of context I would be too!
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  sneakorocksolidposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  I do to to bad you can't read.
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  Stevennix2001posted 13 years agoin reply to this
  who are you refering to? me or dejajolie?
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  sneakorocksolidposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  You implied I was a racist, then at you. Now go back and read what I actually said. If you can't be civil get in line the circus needs you.
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  Stevennix2001posted 13 years agoin reply to this
  really? i love the circus. are there clowns and acrobats, and wild animals too? i love those.
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  sneakorocksolidposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Sure! Thats was all part of the list of liberal dems I mentioned while responding to challenges from the left.
  
  Look I don't appreciate your name calling especially the racist crack! I didn't single out any one for attack. If you had read what I actually said rather than look for an opportunity to be a victim I would gladly explain my position. I have never said this to any hubber before now but, I would prefer you never address me again. Thank you.
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  Ron Montgomeryposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  I'm just joining so you folks will have to catch me up. The fact that some people believe that gays are human beings with the same rights as other human beings, causes people who don't agree to buy lots of guns and ammo and threaten a civil war?
  
  Sounds logical to me.
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  Colebabieposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Perfectly.
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  ANTI-CRUSADERposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Because it's unnatural, unhealthy and against the rule of Allah.
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  Pearldiverposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  I note that you currently have NO FANS.
  You also appear to be very 'passionate' with what you may consider to be 'wisdom!' Hopefully that passion will at some point allow you to see the world from a wider perspective than what you have promoted to date!
  
  If so; Then you may gain sufficient 'wisdom' to understand the following:
  
  1) This IS NOT a Religious forum and therefore please keep your 'religious' comments to those forums designated for that purpose.
  
  2) The majority of people here, do not identify with Allah.
  
  3) That what you consider is unnatural and unhealthy, occurs (passionately) within your culture more than you are prepared to admit to.
  
  BTW: Welcome to HP
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  SEM Proposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Ah my dear man, you are such a diplomat Jumped on here after seeing you'd posted to check out the scoop. Rewinding after a simple "Triple NO" lol
  
  As for the subject of gay marriage - my 2 cents: a gay friend of mine put it profoundly. She said that being married had helped them keep their committment to each other, honoring their cherished love and bond beyond the daily trivial disagreements. That says it all in my book! We heterosexuals aren't setting a very good example of how sacred marriage can be - why not let those who have had to overcome society's judgments in order to be who they naturally are give it a whirl? (Ok, maybe she didn't say it all )
  
  If not being married diminishes a natural human right to visit a loved one's sick bed in a hospital, I say we need a new definition/interpretation for marriage and our society's rules! Are we back to a healthcare issue? Different forum for that too I'm sure
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  ANTI-CRUSADERposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  I just answered what had been asked. I am totally allowed to present the truth.
  
  If people dont know about Allah (One True God) then they will come to know just after being presented.
  
  And BTW science also supports religious point of view regarding gays and gayism is totally unhealthy and unnatural without any doubt.
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  Pearldiverposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  NO - You answered what you believe to be true!
  You come across as being totally Homophobic!
  Don't hide behind your religion or science to justify your Homophobia..... It could lead you to a fear of dropping your soap!
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  TimTurnerposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Can you post the link to your scientific studies please? haha
  
  And tell Allah to quit having his followers bomb things! Ok, that was harsh but I'm sorta not joking
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  anime_nanetposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  yes
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  C.J. Wrightposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Only when your goal is procreation via intercourse. Then its a matter of futility.
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  Uninvited Writerposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  I didn't realize that was a prerequisite for marriage...
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  C.J. Wrightposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  I did realize she mentioned more than the marriage issue.....
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  TimTurnerposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Its not a big deal. The issue of homosexuality and their rights will be accepted in a few years like women's rights and other minority rights.
  
  Religious groups put up a fight for a few years then move on to the next "unholy" thing. We've seen it throughout history.
  
  There are bigger issues to worry about than what someone does in their bedroom.
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  Wonder_Womanposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  I Understand there are bigger issues out their, that’s why I’m appalled gay marriage is such a touchy subject…Im bothered that a gay couples cant have the same rights as any other hetero couple has
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  awareposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  .i think gays make it a big deal by demanding agreement from others not in agreement
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  The Ropeposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Generalities again!?! And "Aware" you are acquainted with how many "gays"?
  
  Stevennix2001 is right, given the "live and let live" attitude of every single one of the teens I know today, the majority will speak eventually making it a non-issue.
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  Stevennix2001posted 13 years agoin reply to this
  thanks the rope.
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tantrumposted 13 years ago
Is it ?
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  Wonder_Womanposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  it seems to be complicated, like... gays dont have the right to marry? but straight people do?
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  Jane@CMposted 13 years agoin reply to this
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livelongerposted 13 years ago
If you're not a very good person, it helps to focus on a couple of sins that even you are not "guilty" of. Hence some Christianist men's obsession with homosexuality and abortion - two things straight men will never engage in.

By denying gays equal rights, paradoxically, they can feel more holy.
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  sneakorocksolidposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  I don't feel Holy and I'm guilty of more than a couple of sins but two wrongs don't make a right. Whats the problem with a civil union that has the same rights? Nothing it's all semantics. I'm for compromise, marriage is ok if, it's made a felony offense to bring suit against any church unwilling to marry a gay couple to include a mandatory prision sentence for all parties including the ACLU.
  
  The same people that oppose capital punishment approve of abortion, who's the hypocrite?
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  livelongerposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  What do you mean by "two wrongs don't make a right" in the context of this discussion?
  
  Separate but equal is never equal under the law. We have learned that as a country before, time and time again. But civil marriage has absolutely nothing to do with religion, so I'm not sure why churches are up in arms about this except as a rallying cry to squeeze more donations from their parishioners. Churches have always had the right to marry/divorce whom they choose, and there is nothing but paranoia suggesting that allowing gays/lesbians *civil* marriage will do anything to change this.
  
  As for the hypocrites? You could as easily define those as those who are "pro-life" when it comes to fetuses and "pro-death" when it comes to suspected criminals.
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  sneakorocksolidposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Then offer churches protection under the law from those not as ethecal as you and the ACLU.
  
  Our position on abortion and capital punishment has always been clear as a bell. Abortion on demand is criminal.
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  livelongerposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Some of the laws have done just that, although in my opinion, it is completely superfluous. Maine's law did just that...but in the end it was defeated anyway.
  
  I saw a chart recently that showed people's feelings about "hot-button" social/legal issues, like interracial marriage, same-sex marriage and abortion. The first two have shown an unmistakeable trend towards acceptance over time; abortion has not. For abortion, it really matters how you define the start of life, and I don't think even good, sincere people will ever agree on this.
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  Friendlywordposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  That is the great misunderstanding about gay marriage. I dont want to walk down your Church Aile and stand before your Preacher. I want to go to my City Hall and get legally Married and have the same rights and benifits you do. People that go to church think I'm an Abomination. All the Abominations I've seen in my life were not gay. I want nothing to do with your church.
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  sneakorocksolidposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Great and you'll personally guaranty that legalizing gay marraige won't result in any gays enlisting the ACLU for some kind of discrimination lawsuit against churches.
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  Friendlywordposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  No I cant do that. Gay people are just like straight people. Some are stupid, some are crazy, some want to stick their nose into something that is not their business. Sorry some gay people out here actually want to stand before God and Church and preacher and kiss and say I do...be everything a straight couple is. They are dying for acceptance. Most gay people love themselves and dont look for your approval.
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  sneakorocksolidposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  I have alot of respect for an honest man and you have mine.
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  Ron Montgomeryposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  OK, so now that you're gay......
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  ddsurfscaposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  and what if and what if and what if....use ur imagination for something constructive. stop inventing problems we dont have yet.
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Daniel Carterposted 13 years ago
It's probably only a big deal to those who fear it and don't understand it (nor do they want to understand).
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Revive@OwnRiskposted 13 years ago
Most gay men didn't choose being gay, didn't want to be gay, and that's why some marry a wife and have children trying to fight off the feelings. It makes hell for everyone. These are the kinds of stories about victims due to gay people that exaggerate the issues and only cause more fear and less understanding and tolerance for glbt people.

It shouldn't be a big deal, but unfortunately, like anything we are afraid of, we fear it and think it must be destroyed.
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  sneakorocksolidposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  I'm not affraid of gays and never have been.
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  Colebabieposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  But you are afraid of what you think could happen if they are allowed to marry.
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  Revive@OwnRiskposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Very insightful, Colebabie. Hidden, more underlying fears, I'm sure, as you point out.
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  sneakorocksolidposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  I want assurances that this issue won't start a witch hunt against Christians and they're churches. I've proposed solutions but no one on your side seems to want a compromise. Hows school?
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  Colebabieposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  I wouldn't compromise my life and happiness, why should someone else?
  
  School is going well thank you.
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  sneakorocksolidposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Then if you get what you want then why not make sure our fears are put to rest with tough laws on bogus law suits and the ACLU.
  We don't want our happiness compromised either and I know you don't get that position.
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  Colebabieposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Holding on to your belief against gay marriage by this teeny tiny thread isn't working. Find a new case or cross over to the other side Anyone can sue anybody for anything. Saying you don't want gay marriage because of a small possibility is denying someone's happiness for selfish reasons.
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  sneakorocksolidposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  No it's not selfish, I don't want a religious war in America for alot of reasons. If there was one the opposing side would lose badly and it could lead to a more right-wing government than you could imagine.
  
  You can't walk on someone else's rights to satisfy the minority. The fact that you don't understand the damage gay marraige would cause to our social fabric means you shouldn't have a say. This is serious it's not the same as sharing a toy.
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  Colebabieposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Oh please. Give me some credit. Treating me like a 5 year old will get you no where. There have been several cases where the minority gain rights at the "expense" of the majority. If you would like to put it that way, "expense" being compromising their beliefs.
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  sneakorocksolidposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  I've offered a two compromises.
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  livelongerposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  In this case the minority simply wants to have the exact same rights as the majority. This is precisely what our Constitution is supposed to enshrine in the Equal Protection clause.
  
  That is a seriously undemocratic statement, and neither you nor anyone else opposed to marriage equality has ever been able to credibly demonstrate how gay marriage would "damage our social fabric."
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  sneakorocksolidposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  No but I have proved they already have the same rights as everyone else. Offer a compromise.
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  Daniel Carterposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  You've proven it? Then why do lgbt people not have partner rights for medical issues and so much more?
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  sneakorocksolidposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Thats where a civil union would clean that up.
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  Daniel Carterposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  No one's toying here, friend. And no one should have their right to free speech cut off--neither you nor I. What is important is that despite disagreement, we can agree to disagree at the end of the day. If we don't, it's just more war, really.
  
  Understanding the damage of gay marriage is important. I'm not necessarily for it in that what about gay divorce? How much more jammed with the courts be over that? However, there needs to be equality of rights, and how that is defined in an equitable way is really at the foundation. It's better to focus on the common ground than cracks in the wall. Most rational people do want equality for all people. It's not about a special interest's groups rights, because if you go that route, you leave out another group. It's about equal rights.
  
  I don't think you are against equal rights, are you, sneak?
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  sneakorocksolidposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  No I'm not, but don't ruin marraige. It would ruin it for me.
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  dejajolieposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  One's happiness should not be dependent upon what someone else is allowed to do. Would you be less happy if gays were allowed to marry in a church?
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  Stevennix2001posted 13 years agoin reply to this
  this idea of gay marriage being outlawed is stupid as its going to be appealed in 20 years anyway. so you might as well let them marry. just as long as they don't try to convert the straight folk, then im okay with it.
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  sneakorocksolidposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  I would not attend a church that allowed it. I've said so many times it's ridiculus, I am for a civil union that gives them the rights they deserve and for a Christian conservative thats pretty damn moderate! I'm not for marraige, sorry. You have your ideas about it and I have mine. I've also said I would obey the law no matter what! That's a hell of alot more than the radical gays did in California after prop 8, where was your outrage then? My fine liberal friends.
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  Ron Montgomeryposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Yes, you're on to the conspiracy. Gays want to marry each other so they can wipe out churches. Curses! We've really been outed this time.
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Dale Mazurekposted 13 years ago
It is what it is and nothing should be different for a gay couple as a straight couple.

Sex goes on inside the bedroom whether you are straight or gay.

Outside the bedroom nothing else is different.

We need to move on and make this a non issue
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  sneakorocksolidposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  You're right! All gays have to be heterosexuals it's only fair.
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  Daniel Carterposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  You may have no fear regarding homosexuals, but you definitely have no willingness to try to understand. That's not a very well founded premise to fight against it, I think. Understanding, facts and education are the only real tools to solve any issue. If you show a desire to understand and be educated, you'd more understanding here in this thread, I believe.
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  sneakorocksolidposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  I'm willing to compromise! I'll come half way! I know what gays are and what they stand for and what the liberals that support them stand for. You're the liberals be libereal work for a do-able compromise. Or maybe you don't understand all you think you do.
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  The Ropeposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  What an absolutely arrogant statement! "I know what gays...stand for"? Of all the gay friends I have, no two are alike and no two have the exact same belief system just as no two hetrosexuals are the same. Sorry Sneak but anytime we speak in generalities we take a risk.
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  sneakorocksolidposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  All right, give me their names and their ideals and I'll address each individually. I should have thought of that first, sorry.
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  The Ropeposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Thanks for a great laugh when I got home...SRS you DO know how to keep the spirits up.
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  sneakorocksolidposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  No problem! I'm trying to keep it from being personal I just suck at it.
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  samsbrposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  I think we need to going forward... and no discussion about this funny issue
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  starme77posted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Exactly
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  sneakorocksolidposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  The law is exactly the same for both there is no discrimination!
  Straight man- straight man-no
  gay man - gay man - no
  gay man- straight man- no
  gay man- woman- yes
  straight man - woman - yes
  
  Whats not fair for all parties involved in this discussion?
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  livelongerposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Do you think gay men should marry and start a family with straight women? Should gay women marry and start a family with straight men?
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  sneakorocksolidposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Absolutly not. I just want all parties to leave marraige and religion alone. Find a some ground where our sensibilities are adressed and where gays can be content. Blowing us off as rediculous and not affected isn't solving the problem. We'll obey the law but we'll never accept it and if marraige is damaged I personally will never support anything gay ever.
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  livelongerposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  As far as I'm aware, the only people bringing religion into the civil marriage rights discussion are those opposed to marriage equality. No one else cares who your church chooses to marry or not.
  
  You keep on saying that the rest of us have to listen to your concerns, and we have and still don't see anything except "this might harm my marriage in a way that I can't explain, so I won't support equality for my fellow citizens."
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  Whitney05posted 13 years agoin reply to this
  I agree. He seems to be so worried about his rights, but he hasn't said anything where gay marriage or being gay has anything to do with his rights. He touched on marriage, but his problems with marriage could happen in any sort of union- man/man, man/woman, or woman/woman.
  
  One marriage will not hurt the rights or another person or another marriage. Allowing gay marriage is not going to cause anyone to lose their rights. What is causing people to lose their rights is people who believe that gays should not have rights.
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  sneakorocksolidposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Well that was the long way around the block but what do them not being able to marry have to do with my rights considering the laws in place, the arguement goes both ways.
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  sneakorocksolidposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  As long as our churches and our religions are out of the picture I say deal!
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  livelongerposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  I agree. Religious marriage can confer civil marriage, but not the other way around.
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Stimpposted 13 years ago
Most gay relationships that I know have outlasted both of my marriages combined
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  sneakorocksolidposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  They don't marry dogs.
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  Stimpposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Correction....they don't marry dogs with Mullet wigs on....come on, man, get it straight
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Colebabieposted 13 years ago
Sneako can I ask you a question? Its very personal. You can totally say no, I won't be offended. And the question is not meant to offend you.
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  sneakorocksolidposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Anytime Cole.
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  Colebabieposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  We cannot say that we know everything right? I understand you believe the bible is the word of God. But just as in your opposition to gay marriage there is a chance, a slight chance, that something may happen.. hear me out. Don't analyze the question, just try to answer it.
  
  What if you meet God and he is not only not opposed to homosexuality but embraces it? If he tells you that he sent you homosexual family members to teach you compassion and tolerance and understanding? If all that you are fighting for is a lost cause?
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  sneakorocksolidposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Initially confused, then as I've said before if it's God's law or Cesar's law I'll obey.
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  sneakorocksolidposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  What format?
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Uninvited Writerposted 13 years ago
You still will not say how someone else getting married will ruin your marriage.
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  sneakorocksolidposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  It's status as a sacred religious ceremony between a man and a woman. If thats not clear enough or enough of a reason then you wouldn't understand.
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Uninvited Writerposted 13 years ago
And how does anyone else getting married change that for you? Not all marriages are religious, many are done at city hall by a judge. Our society still calls that marriage. Are you saying those marriages are not real marriages?
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  sneakorocksolidposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  I have one of those also with my wife and I related the story here before they are as real as they can be. Do you really think that approving gay marraige would be the end of it?
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  livelongerposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Does gays/lesbians getting married diminish, improve or in any way affect your marriage?
  
  What do you mean by "the end of it"?
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  sneakorocksolidposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  I don't want a civil war in the US we've done that. If the left persists it will only escalate and escalate. I would find a compromise that works and stop! If you push it there's nothing to stop people putting a stop to it. Do you realize how much gun sales have increased and ammunition is pretty tough to come by. There are people who are preparing for the worst. You can sit all comfortable in your club or coffee shop rationalizing your liberal agenda but you have a larger portion of the country doing the same the other direction.
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  Colebabieposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Larger portion of the country? I highly doubt that. Quit blaming the world's problems on a "liberal agenda".
  I can't wait until my generation takes over and attempts to fix everything that is f'ed up.
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  sneakorocksolidposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  There are equally as many or more conservative young people as their are liberal and they feel the same way. Thats the problem it never ends and when it does it ends badly.
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  Colebabieposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Yeah good luck with that belief. Because... in my experience, it is incorrect. And talking about the world ending? Way to be positive.
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  sneakorocksolidposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Sorry there's more conservatives the last election just swung the moderates your way. Check the numbers.
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  Colebabieposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Don't believe you. And definitely not when it comes to my generation. But you just love to label people anyways.
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  sneakorocksolidposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  We didn't either at your age. We thought pot would be legalized long before now too. We were alot more radical than you are and we found our way back to center.
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  Colebabieposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  You Sneako, not "we" you! There are many people your age who do not share your ideas.
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  Ron Montgomeryposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  THE CENTER
  ???? You think your hatred of 90% of the people in this country represents the center?
  
  Wow!
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  sneakorocksolidposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  I don't hate anyone. 90% c'mon Ron even for you thats outrageous.
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  Ron Montgomeryposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Add up all of the groups you mentioned. 90% was ironically.........conservative
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  Ok?
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  Colebabieposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  You have a very very wide range of those you don't agree with. Ron's estimate of 90% seems correct. Because to you, any homosexual, minority, woman who stood up for her rights, anyone who has participated in a protest or signed a petition, vegetarian/vegan, who doesn't want to own a gun, had an abortion, bisexual, been a part of a union, etc. you disagree with. Basically anyone who isn't exactly like you. So I would even stretch to say that figure it higher than 90%.
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  sneakorocksolidposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Wishful thinking on your part but a typical liberal exageration.
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  Friendlywordposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Like Bush said BRING IT ON! If you think me or any other gay person on this planet is going back in the closet because of your threats things are going to end very badly for you. Do you think they ask who you have sex with when you go to buy a gun. I've been attack a number of times because I'm a gay man. Dont try to scare me.The big mistake you going to make is mistaking a gay man for a punk. You dont realize either your mother or father could have been gay. Your Children or your wife has to listen to your sick crap everyday. One day you are in for a very rude awakening. You are no longer cute or funny. You stepped in it dude.
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Ron Montgomeryposted 13 years ago

Uh OH! Things just got more complicated. I guess the wingnuts didn't figure that gays can buy guns too. And when you consider that interior designers earn much more per capita than practioners of the "janitorial arts", who do you think will have the bigger arsenal.
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wsp2469posted 13 years ago
Okay being gay doesn't matter.
The answer to the original posted question is avctually either YES or NO.
Pick one, folks and then go write a hub!
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lyricsingrayposted 13 years ago
If your gay it does
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Mighty Momposted 13 years ago
Being gay is a big deal, and will continue to be a big deal, as long as narrow-minded, ignorant, homophobic people have any say whatsoever over gay people's lives.

Gay marriage "ruin" OUR institution? LOL. Seems to me we heteros have done enough ourselves to ruin marriage. Ask any divorce lawyer.
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  tantrumposted 13 years agoin reply to this
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  lyricsingrayposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ
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  sneakorocksolidposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  You're obviously the voice of reason.
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Dolores Monetposted 13 years ago
Besides, legalized gay marriage has nothing to do with church, it is a civil issue. The government can't legislate religious activities or rites.
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  sneakorocksolidposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  No but the ACLU can sue over it and once the toes in the door you watch the legal mess begin.
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AEvansposted 13 years ago
I don't believe Gay really matters personally I do not care there are other things in this world to worry about besides how people feel about each other. My sister is lesbian and has been in a relationship with her significant other for years, I do not think of her any less and I love both of them to me they are family between both of them they have 5 children and the kids have a completely functional home the only thing different is they have two moms all of them are A,B students so it certainly doesn't make any difference to me I have to worry about me and do not have time to be judging others.
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wsp2469posted 13 years ago
It was a "yes" or "no" question. If you put too much more thought into it, folks, y'all might as well write a hub, ya know?
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B.C. BOUTIQUEposted 13 years ago
No, it should not matter..we fall in love with who ever we fall in love with..I am straight, but I see nothing wrong with anyone who lives their lives, relationship wise, any different than I am with my love..

I hope that made sense..
we love who we fall in love with, who am I , or the rest of the world, to judge..
Traeat humankind how you want to be treated..I live by that and I think the world would be a bit nicer if we all felt the same way
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ddsurfscaposted 13 years ago
only to the person you are sleeping with....
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wsp2469posted 13 years ago
Damn! Y'all need to just write a hub! A few more posts and you're both good to go!
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prettydarkhorseposted 13 years ago
gay are still people, they contribute to taxes and they have talents to share, they have rights and i dont think theres any wrong with them!
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pncblessedposted 13 years ago
Read my hub
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  Uninvited Writerposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  No
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  Pearldiverposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Double No!
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  tantrumposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Why should I ?
  Why don't you read mine ?
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  Justine76posted 13 years agoin reply to this
  it was kind of short? maybe you could actually put a musing into your muses?
  Or was it some sort of joke I didn't get?
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  Pearldiverposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  No.... It was No Joke!! It was merely Impotent!
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  Revive@OwnRiskposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  I read it. The comments section is rather misplaced probably because this is his first hub. Below the comments are the rest of the hub. While he may not have realized the self promotion he committed, his musings are rather nice. Put his shoes on and walk a mile in them and you may gain a little perspective. And so it is with each of us. Whether hetero or homo, walking a mile in each other's shoes will go a long way to helping understand one another and gain a bit more tolerance. At the end of the day, that can only be a good thing.
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wrenfrost56posted 13 years ago
It does not matter in the slightest, a persons sexuality is compleatly irrelevant
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  aka-djposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  On THAT Day, it won't be.
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topgunjagerposted 13 years ago
Why are we even making an issue out of something that will never affect our lives in any way?
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  tantrumposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  don't you have gay friends ?
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  topgunjagerposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  yes I do, and gay relatives as well, it just sucks that they are being denied the right to do what will make them happy and they don't even affect other people's lives in the slightest.
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  tantrumposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  i'm sorry to hear that.
  Here in Argentina they have almost all the rights
  the only thing missing is adoption.
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  sneakorocksolidposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Wrong! Who are you to decide how it affects other people.
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  Revive@OwnRiskposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Then the same is true of you, sneak. You can't assume that your life is to exemplary that you don't affect others negatively. You've obviously affected several people in this thread negatively, having read some of the comments.
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  sneakorocksolidposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  I've offered compromises on this issue the liberal end wants what they want forget compromise. Did you read that also?
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  topgunjagerposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  the only reason people like you hate on gay people is because the bible says it's wrong and it grosses you out right? why would gay people sacrifice their happiness just so you can win your hate battle? I mean, when you stuff your face with 20 burgers at one time i bet that grosses out a lot of people too but it doesn't affect other people's lives in any way right? would you give up your eating habits so we won't be grossed out by the way you look anymore? Why would your opinion be turned into a law? in my opinion people like you shouldn't be seen in public at all, make that a law=)
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  livelongerposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  You could have made your point without insulting him.
  
  Besides, sneako is not exactly a gay-hater, although he seems to be struggling with the idea of gays being equal under the law to straights.
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  topgunjagerposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  i could've but sneak does the same thing to other people, it's nice to shut him up once in a while=)
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topgunjagerposted 13 years ago
Seriously, some dude wants to stick his dong in another dude's poop shoot, how does that affect anyone's life here in any way?
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  tantrumposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  not me ,because I'm not gay.
  but maybe some hubbers are.
  Or It's not allowed ?
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  theageofcakeposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  You make it sound so unappealing that way. How about something sexier like "a glistening man slides his throbbing rod into another man's expanding pink butt hole." That's a little bit less alienating.
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Whitney05posted 13 years ago
People are ignorant that's why it matters to them.

It shouldn't matter. What someone does in their life is their business as long as it doesn't hurt anyone else or isn't detrimental to that person's own life.
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  sneakorocksolidposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  They can do what they want but not at my expense.
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  Whitney05posted 13 years agoin reply to this
  How is it at your expense? It's really not. Someone being gay does not affect your job, income, family, or health.
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  sneakorocksolidposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Them being gay is fine but it doesn't stop there, next it's marraige, then adoption and you know there will be discrimination lawsuits brought against churches by the ACLU. And how those issues affect others are just glossed over, "It doesn't affect you!", well it does. Thats the point you blow right on by because what matters to conervatives and Christians means less than zero to you.
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  Whitney05posted 13 years agoin reply to this
  A man and woman marrying doesn't affect you, so why should a gay marriage affect you? A straight couple or single woman adopting is no different than a gay couple. It really doesn't affect anyone else. Gay people work and live their lives just like everyone else does. They bleed and hurt just like everyone else.
  
  Should you have your rights striped because of your sexual orientation?
  
  Everyone deserves rights, that is constitutional.
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  Daniel Carterposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Truth is that men and women get married for reasons other than love and family every day. Some live on welfare and have kids to get welfare money. Some marry as a matter of convenience, promotion, money and more. So in reality, if you condone marriage between a man and a woman blindly, then you support these less than honorable motives as well, whether directly or indirectly.
  
  The bottom line is that if you are not a part of the solution, you are a part of the problem. In order to be a part of the solution, there needs to be civility and understanding on both sides of the issue. It isn't about bull-dozing your opinion to the point of destruction of an opposing view.
  
  So being for hetero marriage can be as shady as being for gay marriage, unless you become informed of facts and supportive of what is good for all.
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  SEM Proposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Whew - WELL SAID!
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  sneakorocksolidposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  The only problem with your theory is there are those who support traditional marraige and in our case we've been married for 34yrs to the same person. There may be nitwits who aren't able to compromize and maintain a relationship but that condems us to be thrown in the same sewer.
  
  Marraige -no
  Civil union with rights - yes
  Marraige with a ban on discrimination lawsuits against churches-maybe
  
  Whats your proposal? Stomping your feet and demanding your way isn't a proposal.
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  Whitney05posted 13 years agoin reply to this
  You're absolutely right. But if a man and woman can get married, why can't a gay couple? That's what I'm asking. I'm not saying that debt, welfare, and whatever else isn't going to happen in a gay couple because it can happen with any married couple. A man and man can marry for political reasons just like a man and woman can. A woman and woman can marry for money just like a man and women can. So, why should the government decide who can marry and who can't?
  
  I'm not saying that one relationship is any better or worse than the other by any means. But, it's a person's preference and one can't help who one falls in love with, so why should anyone be told who they can and cannot love and marry?
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  sneakorocksolidposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Have you read any compromise I've suggested? And what compromise are you or any other liberal suggesting?
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  sneakorocksolidposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  But your rights end where mine begin.
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  rhamsonposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  It just shows you that the Bill Of Rights and The Constitution are a bitch to get around doesn't it? While the term marriage being between a man and a woman is aknowledged by DOMA (Defense of Marriage Act) by the Congress in 1996, it is a law that is at the center of the debate whether the Federal Government can enforce a law that was largely left up to the states until then.
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Revive@OwnRiskposted 13 years ago
One additional thought: I was married twice, a total of 24 years. I raised a family. I did all of the family things and loved it, despite my constant inner battles. I believe I've worn both sets of shoes on this issue, and I do understand the argument of both sides. However, equality is illusive at best, regardless of your situation. If you have been treated with equity and dignity your whole life, you are indeed one of the extreme few who have. The argument shouldn't be based on special interest groups, but rather equality of human rights. In that regard, there is work to do in the LGBT community as well as every other sector of society.
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sneakorocksolidposted 13 years ago
You want to make a religious issue a government issue and it just won't fly.
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  livelongerposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Maybe then we should make marriage a purely religious issue, while the government issues civil unions to everyone. You would have a civil union under the law, and a marriage in your church.
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  Wonder_Womanposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Thats what i always thought , thats why i never understood why gays couldnt have a civil union, their religion has nothing to do with it
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  sneakorocksolidposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Thats a good idea, you have to file for a liecense anyway so why not! Now thats a great compromise!
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C.J. Wrightposted 13 years ago
My only concern with gay marriage are the radical activist that would go after churches and ministers who refuse to conduct ceremonies. If that could be assured there would be nothing left to argue about.
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  livelongerposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Not true. Maybe for you and sneakorocksolid. Washington state just barely approved civil unions ("domestic partnerships") for gay/lesbian couples, where the term "marriage" wasn't even up for discussion. All the same anti-marriage-equality folks were spending millions on this campaign, too.
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  sneakorocksolidposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  I would support any reasonable compromise. What you suggested above sounds perfect!
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  C.J. Wrightposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Again, read carefully. I said "MY"
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  sneakorocksolidposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Dear My,If you would have read farther you would have seen I suggested that pages ago.
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  C.J. Wrightposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  But it passed. In the end, what else matters. You see, GLBTC is probably not going to win a lot of hearts and minds with this issue. If equality is what they are after, it sounds like they have found the recipe for success.
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sneakorocksolidposted 13 years ago
The left didn't corner the market on nut-jobs. We have plenty and they even verge on dangerous. The idea to leave religious marraige as just that and everyone has a civil union is great!
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shazwellynposted 13 years ago
Being gay or not is as relevant as me being hetrosexual. Live and let live... life is for living!
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Denno66posted 13 years ago
It matters if you're surrounded by Homophobes.
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  C.J. Wrightposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Or angry activist. Both are equally annoying. Radicals....don't like em, no matter what flavor they come in.
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  Denno66posted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Giggity.
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  shazwellynposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Hey babes.. homophobes have the problem, not me. Phobes = phobia = a fear. They have the problem x
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  Denno66posted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Agreed. But, if thirty of them meet up with you in a dark alleyway, it becomes your problem. I'm just saying.....
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  shazwellynposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Na.. I just tell them that I am a closet hetrosexual hehehe
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  sneakorocksolidposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Who and whats a homophobe?
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Lady Eagleposted 13 years ago
I Really believe that all people should be able to choose their ways for their life.

And just be able to be....... just be.
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wsp2469posted 13 years ago
Y'all just took this simple "yes" or "no" question and went all sorts of places with it; didn't ya? Guess it's easier than actually writing a hub though, huh?
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topgunjagerposted 13 years ago
by the way, you know gluttony is also a sin right? since you're so holy, maybe you should think twice the next time you stop at mcdonald's
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VacationAustraliaposted 13 years ago
Not an issue to those who understand about sexuality in general.
Basic biology these days.
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spiritactorposted 13 years ago
It's simply existence, life, and it needs to be celebrated. You are not a "label" or "lifestyle." Accept the being of light and joy you are, and shine on!
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  Denno66posted 13 years agoin reply to this
  You have an uphill battle on the forum circuit. Good luck to you.
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  sneakorocksolidposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  He's been drinking.
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  Denno66posted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Well, then he needs ALOT of coffee.
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  spiritactorposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  You created "the hill"? I have an infinite number of ways to go.
  
  I wish you Light-- someday, it'll come to you.
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  dejajolieposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Ditto!!! Labels are for clothes, Who are we to judge? Such arrogance,
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Stevennix2001posted 13 years ago
well its because the concept of gay marriage is still considered taboo at the moment. you have to remember, that it was only like 20 to 30 years ago that it was taboo for inter racial couples to marry, let alone any same sex marriages. Therefore, all it takes is time. give it another 20 to 50 years, assuming we're all not dead after 2012, . and i promise you, gays will be allowed to marry openly. trust me on that one.
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ralwusposted 13 years ago
The Sheppard has goats and he has sheep. He loves both. He alone is the judge of his flock. Why let the dog be judge?
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lostgirlscatposted 13 years ago
Why anyone cares what others do with consenting adults is a mystery to me. As to marriage, I think most people miss the real question- Why is the government involved in ANY marriage?- Straight, Gay, monogamist, polygamist,none of their business. For those rights desired by consenting adult partners: medical care, funeral, child care, whatever, civil contracts are the way to go, no matter what your persuasion. For those whom marriage is a religous sacrament, again, have it blessed by whatever faith you adhere to, and keep the government out of it.
Government involvement in this aspect of peoples' lives is purely for reasons of financial gain, and societal contol.
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xiao_kangposted 13 years ago
I'm gay and to me it's not a big deal. I am who I am and that's that. I don't care about the rest of society when it comes to my personal love choices. As far as marriage is concerned, I'm opposed to marriage, for hetero's and for homo's. It's a flawed institution, unrealistic and archaic.
Having said that, my views are very differant to those of my fellow gays. They care very much about their identity and status quo. They want what everybody else has, respect, the right to marry, the right to be in the military and be 'out'. It's a matter of equality to them. For people like us who have lived a life of persecution and ridicule it's easy to over-react and lash out against those that have kept us in shame for so long. For the zealous and, dare I say, jaded homo's it is a big deal. On the other hand for the hetero homophobes, it's a big deal to them because we are a threat to their way of life and most likely repulsive in the eyes of their righteous God. Therefore they oppose us.
But this argument is rapidly dwindling. There will be a day in the very near future where gay, straight, trans, cross-dressers, bi's, swingers and all sorts of diversely sexual people, will live together and it won't be such a big deal.
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AdsenseStrategiesposted 13 years ago
Given what I just read, yes, most definitely:
http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id … _article=1
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