Bible decreed that ''women should obey their husbands'' ?
Wow! I guess I don't know very many men then
Perfection is impossible dude, no man can claim perfection and as such is no picture of perfection and stability. Stability is not guaranteed in men and honestly I know more stable women then men!
I guess you don't know many women! Take any good single mom and you have a vision of stability, raising a kid and holding down a job and keeping on top of all bills and responsibilities alone, that takes serious stability. I have known so many men would couldn't function if it wasn't for their Mom's bailing them out of the messes they get into, the Moms couldn't do this if they weren't stable.
Welcome to reality
and bring out the crazy woman? Naaaah, he's probably NOT very good at women.
Those who pursue power and control over others will see any form of two-way communication and cooperation as getting in their way of getting their way. They also believe they are right even when they are wrong, and don't want to hear it.
The misogynist mindset, half-baked with religious ideals, will most certainly see themselves as ultimate superiority to any gender specific relationship. This is not relegated to just marital relationships, but is predominant in all aspects of society. And their god said it's all good.
Yes, a perfect unity, the master and his slave, in the flesh.
"Since the man is the picture of perfection and stability"
Please pardon my French, but WTF are you talking about? Nobody, male or female, is perfect, and neither sex has a legitimate claim to being more "stable" either. I know quite a few stable personalities from both sexes, and quite a few unstable ones from both too.
Furthermore, if you want a stable society, it is pretty well established at this point that you want women in positions of power and influence. A majority of non-profit organizations now working to create more stable societies by reducing poverty, promoting peace, supporting sustainable development, etc. are now working exclusively or almost exclusively with women and there's good reason for that. When women receive extra income, they are far more likely to reinvest it in the well being of their family than men, who are more likely to squander it on alcohol, gambling, or prostitution. (In part, I suspect, because they have been raised to think that women are inferior and therefore see no point in improving the life of their wives and daughters, only themselves.) Thanks to behavior like this, microfinance organizations such as the Grameen Bank give 90% or more of their loans to women in many countries, and organizations such as the Barefoot College no longer work with able-bodied adult men at all.
"Of the two could must be head,otherwise there would be constant disagreement in who gets their way."
I agree with Beezledad. You only see "constant disagreement" in reasonable discussions of differing opinion if you believe you're entitled to absolute authority over your spouse. That's not marriage, that's dictatorship. When two spouses genuinely respect each other and each other's opinions, they are able to sit down and work out a compromise 99% of the time. Sometimes it results in a true compromise, sometimes one spouse is convinced by the other's argument, or gives in because the other is more invested in the decision, sometimes there are agreed upon spheres of influence so one spouse has more say in certain types of decisions and the other has more say over others. Regardless, if a couple is genuinely unable to come to a mutually acceptable decision on a regular basis, maybe they need to get themselves new spouses.
husbands love your wives...
it's the root of all evil in marriage. husbands who obey their wives and wives who love their husbands (as in love them like a mother).
relax. it was written thousands of years ago way back when the survival of women depended largely on what their husbands say...there's a bandit, cover your face and your legs. we will wake up in the night and run and hide (but the children) do as I say woman or---(too late the guy got hit by an arrow)OMG, no.
Well... let me clarify that a bit more. Let's just say that NONE of the "non-Pauline" doctrines/gospels are like that. Only Paul's letters talk about women obeying men and this and that. But seeing how the majority of the NT is based off Apostle Paul's letters, the answer is yes. Let's just say Paul, not Jesus Christ, believed women were inferior to men.
Jesus Christ on the other hand was completely different. And, all too often people forget that Paul was simply a man, interpreting Christ's desires, wants, and commands. Thing is, Paul never knew Jesus, he never met him, and NEVER heard Christ speak nor read any of the Gospel's of Christ. Paul didn't even honor Christ's own religion, and Apostle Paul wasn't a fan of many of the disciples who were hand-picked by Christ himself. In fact Paul was on the road to Damascus, chasing down Jesus' biological brother James, the day that God blinded him and made him change his name from Saul to Paul.........
And not knowing Christ's own religion part, well that means he was clueless to the laws of Moses, clueless about King David, oblivious to the wisdom of King Solomon, and if someone would have handed Paul a copy of Job- he'd probably think it was a help wanted ad or something. Paul was a clueless idiot, when it came to the true Jesus.
There is SOOOOOOOOOOOO much untold history about Apostle Paul, which just isn't known. Most writings about Paul have it completely wrong about the guy. In fact, I'd call him a real, roman pig in real life, he was very judgmental, very prideful, and plus he wasn't Jewish. Didn't even know how to speak Hebrew, Coptic, or Aramaic. Which was important at that time, to understand the meaning behind Christ's words. And I mean the literal, translated meaning of a word. There are many words found in the Pauline epistles, where Paul has read a Greek translation of a Jewish text or something, in which some scribe translated the Hebrew or Coptic word into Greek wrong!
And, Paul didn't even have a clue who John the Baptist was, Jude Thomas, Matthew, Mark, Luke or John. I personally do not put any stock into what the Pauline doctrines say. Unfortunately that is a big portion of the NT to dismiss. But when I write that the NT is really a Canon featuring Jesus Christ as a star in the book, then it's safe to say that Paul's the NT biblical SUPERSTAR! Shoot, the whole of the Roman Catholic Church is based off the Pauline doctrines, and the crazed madness of Peter.
I find it even more interesting that in other "Jesus" documents and Gospels, like the Gospel of Thomas, and the Gospel of Mary- Christ is very much on the woman's side. His disciples, such as Jude even wrote in some of these gospels, of how Jesus felt that women held the true spiritual key to his religion, and how women were to be put before men, in some instances to be leaders of his new faith. However, a Christian world were men are dominant of course, would keep out such Gospels out of the Canon, and naturally they did. There were no women at the Council of Nicea, now were there? Nope, not a one. Thus we have male Christian priests molesting children, male popes, male bishops, and so on.......
The most ironic thing about Christianity of the 21st century is that NOT much of Christ is found in it.
Wouldn't that be a lesbian couple?
Jerami wrote:
Suppose that the man is the head of the house. It is also written that it is a wise man who can keep his wife happy, cause by making her happy he is in fact making his own life more bearable.
LOL If Mama ain't happy, ain't nobody happy!
- jomineposted 12 years ago
0 Kess, I have to say that there was a time I thought you might be somewhat enlightened..I've changed my view after reading this nonsensical answer. I have no idea what makes men fear the mind of a woman, but it is little more than fear that makes men feel the need to insist on superiority. It is possible to attain harmony when both members of a relationship are adult enough to understand that they need to listen to each other and bend when it is obvious that one has a better idea than the other, or is more capable of something than the other; without having to play some ridiculous game to stroke the ego of an insecure man.
- Sophia Angeliqueposted 12 years ago0
- Onusonusposted 12 years ago0
Actually, what we males share with women are brains and the ability to spot control freaks who would use religious platitudes as a means to satisfy their ends.
Clearly, that is some impossible fantasy that is hardly distinguishable from egocentric power tripping and religious delusion.
Yes, of course, why have it any other way.
I obey my husband...sometimes. On everything but financial decisions, he has the final say. I'm the one that keeps track of the bills so I'm head there
We both trust each other to have the others best interest in mind when making the decision. Just an example of a real relationship with trust, love and respect.
Who says women are unstable? Do they actually know how to have a grown up relationship?Kess said it and apparently thinks men are the picture of perfection and stability.
Ok we need to stop laughing for a second, cause men ARE perfect and....excuse me a second
Ok can't keep a straight face, sorry. This is one of the many reasons I don't follow a religion. A book can not dictate what goes on in my relationship. People have to work it out themselves.
- just_curiousposted 12 years ago0
women since humans came into being have been intelligent...It is men's stupidity which makes them believe that they are in charge of world and their lives
- probably a difficult lesson for me. I'm short on maternal instinct or patience with men, but it does makes a lot of sense. It probably is the best explanation.
you must be popular with the boys! leaving a string of men unable to break your will.
love your husband is really BAD BAD advice. they get suffocated. leave them alone is a better advice. they usually want to be more available when you don't expect them to be domesticated.I do like your explanation of the symbolism. We do have rule though, we never go to bed mad, or at the least, we don't go to sleep that way.
We just pick up where we left off sometime next morning after coffee. I decided a long time ago to stop thinking anything in life is worth creating regrets over.
the greek word is hypotasso'
a verb
strongs defines it as:
1) to arrange under, to subordinate
2) to subject, put in subjection
3) to subject one's self, obey
4) to submit to one's control
5) to yield to one's admonition or advice
6) to obey, be subject
and further
This word was a Greek military term meaning "to arrange [troop divisions] in a military fashion under the command of a leader". In non-military use, it was "a voluntary attitude of giving in, cooperating, assuming responsibility, and carrying a burden".
kinda fitting since this is the one thing eve did not do, she did not even consult her husband, she just took and ate and is not this same pattern with women prevalent todayhanging out, I agree there are women who does not consult their husbands. Adam put the blame on the woman after he ate the fruit. He quickly told God "It was the woman you gavest to be with me." Adam did not take responsibility for his own actions. Not all men, but this is the same pattern for many men today. No offence, but I felt a need to share this. Good to see you back.
Noting that God held Adam responsible.
I certainly overlooked the fact, yet it speaks mountains.
If the man is not to lead, then why address him first and not them both at the same time?
I believe this speaks for itself as everyone understands the system.vector, I overlooked the fact when I first started reading the bible
I read and studied this chapter later, and paid attention to the order of how God work. Yes this definitely speaks for itself.
This philosophy is a recipe for disaster, and could never be considered by anyone that understood the message, as shared by Jesus. So, I assume you are not claiming to follow Jesus, or you are joking. If joking, then
Human philosophy is better understood, as where the words of a god are misconstrued by humans, so as to control people.
So I know we're on the same page here, you do realize how ridiculous it is to think a woman should be subservient to a man? Because if you honestly believed that was the will of any god I would have to say
Well there you go...it is rich in Jewish Symbology.
In Judaism, the "woman" is the body/the earth that enables heaven to create. The "head" is where desire/ will is generated. The marriage of the head and the body is a key teaching in those days. The woman is a receptacle of information and the man is the giver. It is interesting to note that the sperm has dna and only dna. The egg however is a circular habitat for that dna to fertilize with it's codes.
The double entend is aimed at teaching the idea that we must act on the fertilization of the head "Christ."
But also it teaches the nature of humanity and the parallels of the sexes with mind and body. WE all know who the mind is in the home, and its definitely not the man. () but it should be.
- happy wife happy life!
Higher power.
God.
Self.
Mickey Mouse.
The God I know allows me the freedom to take it or leave it.
Thats what a gift is all about.
But...I would never say everyone SHOULD accept what I have or love who I love.
Ok back to OP:
Bible decreed that woman should obey their husbands AS husbands were to obey Christ. That text is often taken out of context sadly.
Jesus liberates womenEaglekiwi, You are right.
I honestly don't believe a higher power has any interest in my domestic hierarchy. Lucky me, I guess. Heaven help the man that had the misfortune of living under the same roof as me with a belief I would submit to his authority. It'd be a rocky ride.
it has big "IF" in it...yes if omnipotent god was involved in it , either he literally believed that man is superior to woman and if he did that HE never had any gf or wife ...so he has no first hand information or else he wont have written that
Earnest, it strikes me as being very odd indeed.
There are a few other things that strike me as odd about that particular book.Smells kinda fishy to me
Slaves, obey your earthly masters with deep respect and fear. Serve them sincerely as you would serve Christ. (Ephesians 6:5 NLT)
Do you toil at your job with deep respect and fear? Or do you quit?
Hmmmmm, the fact that you have the option to quit means you are not a slave, the fact that you consider yourself one says something else completely.....
Power corrupts, don't give it to anyone lest you help them become corrupted, to your well deserved suffering.
Hi Ernest ,yes you are right. It would make the Bible a sexist book,if that were correct. It is not.
There are hundreds more too. I got sick of quoting from the thousands of hate filled verses in this tome.
I don't blame you mate!
It is hard for me to understand how any person who tries to be a good person could defend that book when it's filled with so many hateful verses.If there are hate filled verses in the bible along with "love scripture" it's not a matter of only seeing the negative, it's weighing the negative against the positive and understanding that both are being taught to followers.
I wouldn't agree at all, that is the 'negative' scripture in which is taught, hence the negative has already had a negative effect on its followers.And the same can be said of positive.
Is it not all a matter of perception?
For example I perceieve the 10 Commandments to be a solid working document,if one were to adhere to it.
I do not see commandments or instructions for my life to be harmful or negative ,on the contrary it saves me from many unnecessary problems.
Unwanted pregnancies
Unwanted STD's
Anxiety-Depression
Alcohol/Drug free
No criminal history to name a few.
I also think the people who point out'hate scriptures' dont bring an open mind to the table,because how can you read the Bible and not see all the love?
Perception
They are the same people who think God should love and forgive anything and everything they do and say? or..
If you are a parent ,youd know that analogy is absurd.
Or..
Believe they dont need anyone's help to live their life ,exactly they way they want to.
That was their choice 2,000 years ago and still isNo, it's a matter of what's written in the bible and what the bible is teaching people.
That's odd, you actually need the 10 Commandments to run your life in what is obviously just a matter of self-control? Are you saying you couldn't have figured that out for yourself or talked with others who faced those problems already. Are you also saying that you would fall prey to all those problems if the 10 Commandments didn't exist?
Actually, it's the other way round, we are bringing open minds to the table to show those who have closed minds that the bible is not just about "all the love." We are showing that the negative aspects of the bible have an enormous influence over the delusional.Matthew 22:37-40 negates the insanity.
Love God, Love your neighbor. All the laws are fulfilled with this. People ignore it because it's too much fun poking at other people's assumed transgressions.
Sorry, not preaching. I just like to point that out from time to time. It appears to drive the fundamentalists crazy.
does god live on earth?...how does HE know what is best way to life unless HE himself has lived on earth as ordinary human being...God is said to have sent his son who was hanged by fellow human beings..so surely it was not the way to remain alive...it may be way to reach god as per some believers but not the way to live!!!!!!!!...so god is last being to know what is way to live on earth ...HE needs some practical experience before HE preaches
Did the caffeine kick in yet ,lol
If....
Is that a bit like that song that goes..
What if God were one of us?
God is all around ,in everything ,our past and in our future,so yep ALL things are possible I guess.
The bit about what if we knew how to do things better?...I dont mind this fact being true ,but you see the news, you only have to step outside your own front door sometimes and know for a fact ,mankind doesnt create ,he tears down, robs and steals.
Enjoy yer coffee
Some country is always at war ,and then we have the audacity to blame God.. oh were good at blaming other people too.Couldnt agree with you more
Isnt it amazing how people who cant/wont beleieve in God still manage to have an awful lot about someone who doesnt exist to them
vector, Beautiful message
Yes it is. It is Jesus' message.
And He deserves all the credit...Amen ,good and faithful servant!
Big shout out to you W.O.C, smiles n hugs glory girlBig shout out to you also Eaglekiwi
I am enjoying this thread.
I think you prove my statements true actually and Jesus'. lol
Man is evil, God is good.
The Bible has hundreds of prophecies for people to look up and decide whether it's actually divine, but people usually don't, as that is 'hard'.
Matthew 7:13
13 Enter by the narrow gate. For the gate is wide and the way is easy that leads to destruction, and those who enter by it are many. 14 For the gate is narrow and the way is hard that leads to life, and those who find it are few.
This statement from Jesus says a whole lot.
And as for God being evil, lol, how can you be evil if you give life, give instructions and then punish accordingly only 'some' of the evil and try to save what you can? We all deserve to die, but He isn't killing us all. And if God kills a man's body and that man deserves a reward, He can do whatever He sees fit to that man's soul. God can give ten times back what He has taken as He gave it in the first place. If God is real, then He also knows the future and can tell which men will never turn from evil, and which ones will. How is He evil for taking evil out of the world?
People who think they know better than God have a very high opinion of themselves.
~DanielHey qwark. 2 1/2 years in the seminary huh? 6 weeks in this forum and I'm beginning to see the ignostic side of this thing more and more. I didn't want to grow up to be like you this quick.
just curious -hi
Who owes who and what for ?What the world needs now is love ,sweet love
No,not just for some,but for everyoneWhy the doom and gloom and accusations?
She's saying Love is great, so why not agree rather than point out a stereotype on evangelicals?
I Love you too just_curious!!! Period. No matter what anyone believes.Ok, I'm feeling the love now.
It simply saddens me that we tend to push the doom and gloom more than might be healthy in our relationships with others on this site. I do understand why it is done, I simply don't agree with it.Appreciate your stand. Beg to disagree on your idea of what is true.
But, to me, diversity makes life interesting. Look forward to healthy debates. I'll make a soldier out of you yet!!
I'll try to do a better job showing more proof in my truth.
To a blind man, many things do not exist including the dangers. But those who see, can only lead the blind who agree to follow. I give a outstretched arm to all, I don't wish to push just_curious.
And no I'm not better than anyone... Quite the contrary, God uses some of the least in the world to accomplish his greatness. I am a poor man with not much in life but God. But I am the happiest man on this planet because I know him.
God... Is... Good...
~DanielDaniel, I fear that soldier willl never be a term that will apply to me. But I'll make you a deal. You argue the stand of a soldier for Christ, and I'll argue the idea of following the message as shared by Jesus.
All the colours of the rainbow make for a beautiful day
How about a servant of Christ then.
A good soldier does what his commanding officer tells him to.
And soldiers protect, they aren't meaningless killers. Many children are saved by them. (Anyone say otherwise and your troops should hear your words that they are all evil)
I am willing to die for Christ and the lost. Just as a good soldier should stand with his life to protect those in need.
Absolutely not. The fact that you have religious beliefs that have no basis in fact or reality does not mean you have the right to go around threatening people with them as that is exactly how conflicts and wars start.
Then, you yourself are not safe as you will suffer for an eternity of another gods hellfire, a god that you reject. So, why not just worry about yourself and the rest of us can make our way along fine, thank you.
Save yourself from an eternity of hellfire of the other gods whom you'll have to stand in line to be judged. They will not be pleased with your rejection of them.
A very good reason to show just how dangerous your religious beliefs are to mankind.See... This is what soldiers do...
I LOVE YOU BEELZEDAD!!!!
<3 Start a war with that. <3So, soldiers lie in order to get in good standings with their military generals?
Notice that if you actually do believe that your god knows your thoughts, he will be most displeased with that statement as he knows it is not true.
I agree with you.
There is nothing worse than anyone who uses condescending language or holier than thou 'speak' when sharing their points of view or testimoney on a public forum thats for sure.
I do beleive that many atrocities have been committed or attributed to 'Religion' and there certainly is a list of individuals who were deluded and committed acts of evil ,or supposedly 'for god'.
But the list of goodness and kindness and works of mercy that goes on around the world in the name of God far exceeds those deluded ,evil people and their actions.
Maybe we need a post about those people,those organisations ,but I suspect it would not have the same drama or hype such as the ore edgy threads.
Good news doesnt sell papers (so the saying goes)The greatest act of love is sacrifice.and if youre a parent ,at least a good one these numerous acts are not uncommon.
God gifted his son, a sacrafice to Him.
I respect that some may not accept or even beleive in the gift.
But that to me says the most about the love of Christ!
It isnt self serving, or to be paraded by the show of fine buildings and fancy adornments,or wealth ,or education, or status,but by ....Sacrafice of the heart ,mind and body
Am I there ,is that me? my goodness nooooo,
I try..I try ..and because he knows me and loves me ,I am content.- klarawieckposted 12 years ago0
We obey....
...most of the time I decided to stop by to say I love each and everyone of you.
Yes you count in there too Brenda. I didn't leave you out.
I love all people. God bless you!
Six translations paar... Not much use denying it..
http://www.bible.ca/islam/islam-wife-be … n-4-34.htm
And that is still the current view.Ok paar.. I'm sure every translation they have is wrong..
That would mean that the words in the original language wouldn't hold any meaning..
What a statement...
- brotheryochananposted 12 years ago0
first off we ARE talking about Christian marriages, right? Then the UNchristians have no idea how Christian marriages differs. Many heathen marriages are founded on the woman getting pregnant and the man opts to marry her. Of course this does not continue for very long or love wains thin, because sex is NOT a reason to base a marriage on. Many heathen marriages are based on a 50 50 partnership which breaks down when partner falls below that percentage and one person is carrying the load. Heathens are prone to sexual promiscuity hence there are instances of jealousy in certain situations before the act occurs. When heathens 'carry the load' themselves they have pressures and if the load gets too big the pressure affects the marriage negatively.
I could go on in a list but i won't
Now lets talk about a Christian marriage. And i am not talking about false christians whose statistics are listed as "divorced christians". I am talking about the percentage you never hear about, because there is nothing to tell. I am not saying anyone divorced is not christian either.
The beauty of a woman comes from within. It doesn't rely on makeup to boost her confidence, or wicked curves, her confidence comes from God and believe me, Christian women are so much more attractive than heathens its like a and z. Now since each member of the pair have the wisdom of God in them their discussions are completely different than two heathens battling for supremacy, which constantly happens in UNchristian marriages. In Christian marriages, God is the head of the household and therefore, as praying Christian couples do, pray enters the equation in decision making, selfishness and personal wants go out the window and righteous answers flourish. Both persons have waited for their spouse to 'show up' and often prayers have been uttered to the effect of "God send me a wife". Now the qualifications of that wife have been upped since God is doing the sending.
I know many couples who are loving and quite divine in their marriage sanctity and respect the other person enormously. Any Christian man who does not thank God for his wife is a fool and vice versa.
If Christians are married, its a more than wonderful thing but in all honesty a crap shoot for the heathens.
There are more advantages to Christians marrying (an institute started by God btw) than i care to list, but to touch on the 'obey your husband': this is not a slavery kind of obey (as the carnal mind can think of no other connotation) but an obedience which comes from love, dedication to the man and respect for God. Christian couples discuss things together, one may even get a word from God and when that is acted upon no one can blame the other thus alleviating yet another situation that destroys a marriage.
I do not purport that one is above the other nor do i purport that male and females are equal. God took a rib (which is a supporting bone, rib cage supports the chest and protects the heart and other organs) and said a "help mate" or someone to help the man. A union of two, single in purpose, striving toward the same thing, whether it be the tending of the garden of eden or journeying through life as Christians together. Men are to love their wives and this includes respect, adore and admire and at times a mental decision to do so is required also, as when shopping
.I try not to point the gun until the last instant.
It might be nerve wracking to be responsible under every circumstance.
male, female; both are people. I know a few women who have done "community service" i think i'd be picked if i had to peel the potatoes instead of the perpetrator. I wonder if that gives the woman opportunity to 'hold it over her mans head' so to speak. "honey if you don't let me go to such and such you'll be peelin potatoes by wednesday".
Sticky situation.
This is why i like God in the picture, kinda evens out the playing field.
They are a different kinda human over there.
The only muslim i ever met even receptive to the word jesus could not understand the love of Jesus and we were makin progress until it was time to get off the bus at a designated stop ( i bussed across canada to see my parents) and the driver braked and muslim buddy went into some guy not very hard and some other guy looked at him funny... the muslim fellah said 'why you look at me like that?" This led to a firey conversation between the two and the muslim wanting to go into the truck stop and buy a glass bottle of pop and smash it up against the other fellahs head.
I remember the change in his appearance, he went from nice to super nasty in an instant. Hot tempered i might call it. I had to repeatedly say, "Jesus would not act like that". The whole trip was different after that.
Good to be home? or do ya miss the warm weather
Interesting that you say you would prefer a list method. If that were true, you could have easily responded to my first post. I believe I listed several problems I found in your post. The fact that you didn't speaks volumes. The fallacies in your post are so glaringly obvious, I see no reason to waste my time pointing them out to any greater degree than has already been done twice
And oddly, you appear to be in a snit. I apologize that pointing out the obvious would cause you grief, but reality is what it is.It is hard sometimes I agree. You want to know what I do... I pretend not to notice the "insult" and continue talking like being called a "insulting term" is a perfectly acceptable title that I go by and state my point anyways. Of course that doesn't always work, because I am having a bad day or something...or it is one of those occasions when being openly rude is the only way to grab someones attention long enough to get my point across. You know... sometimes the record gets stuck and you have to bump the machine to continue the song.
I don't agree with alot of things discussed here in the forums...But I find it immensely educational...From verifing my information before posting a rebuttal, to getting a look at the varied personalities and viewpoints of others who talk here. And if I get to teeked off...I simply turn off the PC and approach it the next day with a clear mind and fresh eyes.
And I don't care what anyone says...I think you have a very deep insight into the subjects brought up here in the forums and somewhere out there someone is benefiting from your thoughts and ideas.You mean something like this DS?
"Attack the false idea, not the person who holds that idea."
-Martin Luther King Jr.Yes.
"...hateful mentality."
I didn't see any. Maybe you could quote him and point things out so we are clear on what was said?Vector, my man. You are obviously playing the part of the peanut gallery today. Nice to see your post, but you know as well as I do there would be no point in following your advice. If you don't see the point now, I couldn't explain it to you. When have we ever seen eye to eye on anything?
I agree with how you posted jc and I do see and understand your stance.
Like being between the devil and a hard place
For the record I have not been offended by how you communicate,sure we may not agree on topics,but mature and secure adults can usually communicate without anger or insults.
Sometimes Ive caught myself midstream and backspaced so as not to be offensive ,but other times doesnt how much I carefully and sensitively word something it irritates anyway.
In the end ,one must 'Be true to oneself'
So spit it out,lol.
Well said!
In my mind's eye I see a vision of a young lady who is driving the train of thought....certainly not a passenger.
I do agree with you on this and it is a fight that is worth taking an active role in. Goodonyer!
paarsurreyposted 30 hours ago
"Bible decreed that ''women should obey their husbands'' ?
It is a wrong notion of the scribes; both men and women should respect one another and obey one another on merit of right; this is the Truthful teaching of the Religion. The scribe of the Bible are sinful person; they could mis-state the things in a wrong manner."
We call this babbling paar. The broken record. Loss of memory. Beating a dead horse..
Repeating yourself isn't going to help your argument nor make anyone look bad..
And how would you like it if I told you the author of the quran is a sinful person? He was a very sexually active person, including with very, very young girls.
I think you should re-think your Bible slandering in a Christian forum little buddy..
It's not very respectful..
"I think that is the weakest argument I have seen for some time."
I'm not sure that's an argument at all.It doesn't deserve an argument.
Good point, I should have just let it fall on it's own sword.
More fifth rate threats and personal abuse? As I said, unworthy of a reply.
I am not out to get you, that would be your paranoia.
If I did learn to hate, it would be someone who actually had something to say that meant something to me. You don't cut it.And I just don't see it that way. As long as you push this philosophy, as if it is the correct one, I don't see that wishing me, or any other woman, well at all.
I do wish you some enlightenment. Which, to me, is wishing you well in the most positive way imaginable.
Yes, you and them. The superior and the inferior. The good and the evil. The righteous and sinful. It would be funny if it wasn't so dangerous.
Yes, we can, and we can see that the only difference between your beliefs and Islamic beliefs is the use of the word 'heathen' which is denoted as 'infidel' in Islam.
and honored to be considered among the least and the last and even, peculiar.
I agree, it is much better to be the underdog, then you can cry that you are being victimized by the naughty non fairy believers.
Very biblical.Bringing up fairies again..
You must have some wild dreams..
I've never seen the word fairy in the Bible once......
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