What would you beg God for?
If one believes, that is a lot more reasonable.
Nothing. Absolutely nothing.
- Emile Rposted 11 years ago
0A pet monkey. If there was truly an omnipotent god, he could give me a monkey. I just know it.
Prayer is not dependent upon the words that are spoken, but the heart. Often people pray for selfish things even unknowingly.. oh God make me win the lottery and i'll tithe 50% - but what will you do with the rest? If i only had a really nice car - that chicks would look at... IF only i had a better job - that might take you away from family or cause you to be too occupied and not become the pastor that God wants you to be.
Just because we pray does not mean God has to give it to us. Unanswered prayer is always the fault of the one who prays who does not pray in accordance to the Fathers will.
- it has not been proven to be a fraud -
The bible has a scripture for this:
James 4:3 Ye ask, and receive not, because ye ask amiss, that ye may consume it upon your lusts.
even jesus prayed the fathers will:
Matthew 26:42 He went away again the second time, and prayed, saying, O my Father, if this cup may not pass away from me, except I drink it, thy will be done.
and the Lords Prayer: (very famous)
Matthew 6:9 After this manner therefore pray ye: Our Father which art in heaven, Hallowed be thy name.
Matthew 6:10 Thy kingdom come. Thy will be done in earth, as it is in heaven.
WOW.. thy will be done.. right at the top!
I hope this makes you feel better
Little Johnny (by the way, I like the name I still call my oldest son that).......we don't have to beg God. He's Jehovah Jireh, our provider. Just be careful what you ask for because you just might receive it and not be ready for it
- Sherlock221bposted 11 years ago0
Nothing anymore.
As a kid I begged God for death, to just not wake up in the morning, every night in my prayers for years. Luckily there wasn't anything listening to me or able to give me the brain aneurism/direct meteor strike to my bedroom. Also lucky for me is the fact that I have healed and no God didn't heal me, time and the love and support of friends might claim that honour but no God other then what I imagined was ever doing anything in my life, good or bad. So I wouldn't beg for anything anymore, I just get off my bum and get out there to make things I want to happen happen. Helpful hands are greater then prayerful lipsTo rule the world. Ja ja ja
That is all very nice for you but what makes you so special in comparison to say this kid?
A little rain in the right places and this kid would be well, healthy instead of half dead with hunger and thirst. It sure does sound like God is doing so much for you that he didn't have any time left over to send a little rain this kids way, I mean what with intricately planning your life out in such detail that you can do more the simply stay alive but live life to the fullest . Personally, for me, I would rather assume the responsibility for living my life to the fullest and see if the reduced work load might mean God can send a little rain to the various farms of the world preventing kids from getting into this sort of state, kinda makes living life to the fullest seem vulgar and obscene, especially when then giving the credit to a God that couldn't send a few rain clouds over the farms in Africa but hey, gotta keep all them christians and Muslims their rewards for their prayers. UGH! Better there be no God then such a cruel one as could allow such an innocent child to suffer such, for I could have nothing to do with such a creature.Yea we have all seen the advertisements ,but the reality is:
There is enough food already in the world to feed everyone!
I mean half the world eats too much ,and the other half not enough.
God has already provided.
It is us humans who cant figure it out
- yip.
The other note someone mentioned about the rain thing, imo, is no one ever told them to populate such arid land and pollute their local rivers with raw sewage, for washing laundry or --in the case of China not so many moons ago, disposing dead bodies in upstream plots.
James
Hello EK, how are things?
I guess delusion IS a form of insanity!
Yeah!...go right ahead and create a diversion from the real premise. What an evil entity you serve. I couldn't imagine serving a God who would ask me to divert to dodging questions, and complete dishonesty to defend Him!
More dodging and dishonesty for Jesus.
God created these evil men, therefore He is to blame for everything that His bloody creation does. Your logic, on this matter, is completely absurd, as you prefer to worship an omnipotent God with NO power over His own creation. How ludicrous!
Btw, IF YOUR LOGIC IS CORRECT, YOU SHOULD ALSO STATE, "don't blame God for the GOOD that man causes" as well?
If not, then, why?Then why did He eventually decide that, in all His omniscience, to create evil? What kind of nonsense does your God walk around thinking?
Do you realize how insane this sounds? MY GOD! What a childish nincompoop your God is. I imagine He just couldn't have euthanized humans and animals in a more humane way...you know...unlike a psychopath. Or better yet, just take responsibility for HIS mistake. Can't you see that it was God's screw-up and not man's. Man did not make himself, according to you, therefore his maker is responsible for any defects.
Simple. If God already knows the outcome of every action, how can anyone deviate from the course. Is that too deep for your religious mind to grasp? No free-will...only God's will...will be done.
Maybe. But you are not just proposing that there COULD be a creator. NO! You are asserting that the psychopathic, bloodthirsty, evil entity of a 2000 year old book, written by ignorant goat herders, is what created everything. THAT, my friend, is absolutely psychotic.
I guess the concept of common sense means nothing to a firmly deluded mind.
Oh yes. The God from a 2000 year old book, written by ancient savages, which is an outright fraud. Yes, what a safe bet!
I think it's safe to say that the only eternity you will have is total unconsciousness, no matter what the voices tell you.
But, you know, it's not so bad. It's much better than living forever, and having to worship at the feet of your extremely SICK God.
In fact, I am going to pray that you DON'T go to heaven. I don't think even you deserve that miserable, unbearable fate.
I wish they would stop with the religious threads its gay....
I prefer the bible story myself.
You know, where God made himself, then became his own son and killed himself because he made such a stuff up when he made mankind, so had to find a way to blame someone else for it.
I also love the way god is a psychopathic hate machine in the OT, but somehow he can be worshipped as something less horrible through his new ID.
Possibly the most ridiculous "logic" ever spouted.
"So you see, this 'sparking' in and out of existence VERY LIKELY caused the big bang". einsteinian slip
And this is what we get speculation. It is also very likely that God created everything. In genesis i see no big bang, except maybe for a stretch that when God said, Let there be light, there was a big bang.
Actually that would be untrue. But, nice try.
Really? Thank you for telling me. I would have never thought of that.
Actually, it would be untrue yet again. Only your neural pathways are slightly different. The brain itself is the same.
Actually, untrue statement. My purpose in life is bigger than myself, but then again, what would you know about purpose. It's obvious you let others dictate yours, instead of doing the responsible thing, which is to do it for yourself. Go figure. It's a side effect of your belief and inability to see past your own ego.
Nice try again.
And what would "proof" give you?
If it's only words in this forum, would you say "liar?"
If an eyewitness told you something remarkable, would you say "delusion" or "hallucination?"
And if someone had videotape, would you say, "doctored?"
Perhaps what you really want is to be "right." That is the key lust of ego.
Okay, you are "right" in your own mind. Satisfied?
Why would anyone be angry at your "claim" that their beliefs are debunked? What is your claim? Isn't it merely your opinion?
Would I be right in saying the following?
You have had no spiritual experiences. You have not been outside of your body and seen clearly without Homo sapiens eyeballs. You have not walked on water, parted the sea or any similar miracles.
So, how can your claim mean anything on a subject about which you are completely ignorant?
No anger. Just questions.I observed a wall and ceiling melting and accumulating inside and on top of a TV set once.
Three days later I found out someone had put a tab of LSD in my hamburger.
A very confusing 3 days..... but at least I knew it was my brain that was the cause, not some invisible entity.
- Emile Rposted 11 years ago0
With your attitude, Emile (and you, too, Cags), I'm not surprised you're left waiting. Someone with insults in their heart cannot ask for much. I suppose that's a good thing.
- mikeq107posted 11 years ago0
- mikeq107posted 11 years ago0
Ok. You are definitely one person that I hope doesn't get what you wish for.
- Binaya.Ghimireposted 11 years ago0
....Right now Id say a Klondyke Bar
Tis humid and Im not happyThanks kiwi I am getting better but I did get pretty crook and am about half way recovered.
kind of you to ask.
Obviously you are not in NZ right now... are you in Europe or the States?
Oh cool!
I really want to see NY,spend a few days or so.
Before moving up north we were in South Carolina for 18mths ,cradle of the civil war and met some very interesting Southerners!!
Yes you are right ,culturally very different and I have been treated so well by Americans everywhere.
Now we are up North and I like it too ,but for different reasons and of course I love to soak up the local atmosphere where ever I land.
I read that John Keys(NZ Prime Minister) is currently dining at Warner Bros and having a B-B-Q with the Pres. tomorrow.
Might give him a Kia ora and see if he can hook me upThis is similar to sitting at mother's table, with food in front of you, and u begging mother, "PLEASE, PLEASE, MOM, GIVE ME FOOD" (Yes, I'm shouting).
Just EAT! Dont't beg.
Compassion is already given.
Love is already given.
Mercy is already given
Abundance is already given.
When do you want me to stop the list????
That seems a little short to me.
One needs to consider lung capacity carefully.
Some of them evangelical baptists have amazing lungs!The submersion time or Pandas are short?
Oh you were still typingPanda's look shorter than they really are due to their cuddly roundness and lounging as a way of life
I thought 3 minutes was an apt time as that is what the BACies were still doing to so-called witches less than 3 lifetimes ago.
btw - I hope your back pain has eased off now ?That explains a lot. but I still need to see one in the flesh.
My back is miles better thank you!
...Turn down the heat Lord, or better yet ,turn on the fans!
98F or 36CYou seem to have jumped out of the fridge and in to the frying pan kiwi!
No point goin home, you will freeze yer vitals!Land of extremes -bloody hell lol
Yea I here ya re weather downunder ,bit nippy round the pipi ,lol
but least ya can add more clothes,with the heat ,theres no more to take offTrue dat! To be a little more honest it is 22C in here!
But at some time I will have to go outside, but only as far as the car, then ...... come to think of it I only have to make it to the car before I'm warm again!22C is pleasant conditions to me, good for working and sleepig.
25C Good
28-30 Great for leisure,kickin back etc
30-higher River ,beach weather
But well, weather is weather ..It is what it is.
That concludes todays weather reportSo it's not going to be skiing where you are, or ice skating?
You could try praying for snow!He gave me a creative mind Earnest
Think I might fill the bath up with ice cold beer!!Better to fill the bath with ice cold water and drink the ice cold beer I reckon.
I bought a six pack of Crown lager yesterday, the first beer I've had for a while........A very nice drop.
I dont beg him I just thank him for being there and let him deal with things and try to just live and be happy happy
I am sorry for your loss, I have sons and I havent seen them for over 2yrs years ,to lose them completely is an unbearable thought.
On the flipside I lost my mother when I was 13yrs old,it was rough on the whole family and I miss her still. Disease killed my mum.
Frustration turns to anger and I can well understand that you have much to challenge God on!
Grief can be a suffocating and time of despair.
I am glad that you posted here.
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