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Are we born with original sin? I do not think so. Correct me if I am wrong.


We have the Council of Nicea. We have Augustine and we have Paul. Some claim Adam and Eve sealed the sin deal for every wonderful beautiful baby born. If you wanted to you could show some interesting notions regarding abortion. I think I get the idea and I could maybe accept it. But it fails the love test. How can a man look at a premature infant struggling to thrive and say "that child is sinful"?

 

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    Terrie Lynn (Terrielynn1) 4 months ago

    Yes you said this very well. My answer missed the question on a premies and abortion completely. Everything a have read tells me there is a difference. Sometimes I don't explain verywell.


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    Elijah A Alexander Jr (The0NatureBoy) 4 months ago

    Man Children are born to learn, conditioning by parents, government, schools and religion indoctrinate into b believing in right and wrong that religion calls sin -missing the mark- which is required for reasoning the various outcomes for wisdom.


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    Elijah A Alexander Jr (The0NatureBoy) 4 months ago

    Born "into" is not "with" sin. The Bible reveals god do all things [in present tense] in Isaiah 45:7 meaning nothing is "missing the mark" except to carnal judging man. Spiritual man recognizes there's purpose for everything and seek them.


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    Eric Dierker (Ericdierker) 4 months ago

    Tom that is very wise. I am working on sermons along this line. Brutal work trying to tell a 65 year old lady that she is not a sinner. She was done with that 40 years ago. Could guilt and sin be in our DNA;-)? My son just does not sin.


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    Eric Dierker (Ericdierker) 4 months ago

    A healthy outlook, I think.


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    Eric Dierker (Ericdierker) 4 months ago

    Very interesting. Your use of the term "evil" as opposed to sin brings me to question what you think is the difference. Is evil the propensity and sin the act?


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    Eric Dierker (Ericdierker) 4 months ago

    Tim, thank you for this. It is really an interesting area of thought and prayer. I am a bit amazed at the leap that goes from Adam to my newborn. Clearly we all sin. But just as clearly a 30 week old fetus does not. So when he first breathes?


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    Eric Dierker (Ericdierker) 4 months ago

    I always find your "origination" of Christianity concept very fascinating. You make very good points regarding the whole arena of sin here. But I just feel a little off with no concept of faith and love. Justifying by intellect alone???


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    Kiss andTales 4 months ago

    You have spoken the truth in children are taught a belief. But we are talking deeper. An infant can not willfully sin .but as he matures the gene to error is already genectic genetically there.

    It is evident in birth defects. No child did nothing


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    Venkatachari M 4 months ago

    An intellectual reply, my Bro. If you believe in transmigration or reincarnation. The soul takes many births to purify and perfect itself. But, I do not consider it to be as taking birth as sinful beings. It is only carrying forward of your balances.


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    Tom Ware (Tusitala Tom) 3 months ago

    What you might call, 'conditioning' along with the mistake made by nearly all, that we are an 'ego' separate from all others. Not knowing who and what we are is a big part of the problem. Not caring to find out is the remainder.

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    Catherine Mostly (Misfit Chick) 4 months ago

    Good point. I really don't think most Christians realize that they have so many different people within their ranks who believe so many different ways. When they realize that, I think they will be able to love more & judge less, easier.


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    Eric Dierker (Ericdierker) 4 months ago

    Where is it derived from the Bible?


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    Eric Dierker (Ericdierker) 4 months ago

    John. Are you sure that is not Catholic-Christian teachings? Even the Paul writing to Romans is vague.

    But I think your question is actually more to the point. It seems it is just a concept of having a sinful nature - not born condemned.


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    Eric Dierker (Ericdierker) 4 months ago

    Well done Junaid. I like to think that I run. Run toward light and away from dark. Kind of an inherent pleasure pain instinct.


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    Eric Dierker (Ericdierker) 4 months ago

    So nice to hear from you and get your thoughts. Show me one verse in the Bible that can in anyway say there is original sin, please. Especially anything John of Jesus said. My son has never sinned. Period. At 7 he is sinless. That is fact.


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    Eric Dierker (Ericdierker) 4 months ago

    Sorry Terrie I am not buying it. "no man is without sin" applies to the child who is born to a Christian mother in Somalia and dies 2 days later for no water? A dent in a pan? Two types of sin? Like big and little?


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    Eric Dierker (Ericdierker) 4 months ago

    A very interesting way to look at it. Original sin goes away with Baptism?


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    Eric Dierker (Ericdierker) 4 months ago

    I really like this answer. I read it a few times.In doing so I notice a rather clear of the concept of the supernatural. Was this intentional? We focus on what man must do and leave out what God can do?


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    Eric Dierker (Ericdierker) 4 months ago

    Such a beautiful name. Hello Catherine. Bad is Bad. My friends do not commit sin. But the notion of missing the mark stands true. Let us try not to.


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    Eric Dierker (Ericdierker) 4 months ago

    Cool, thanks for commenting.


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    Eric Dierker (Ericdierker) 4 months ago

    Says who?


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    Eric Dierker (Ericdierker) 4 months ago

    So no original sin?

    The man has sinned or the man is a sinner?


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    Eric Dierker (Ericdierker) 4 months ago

    Friend you are correct in my humble understanding. I just attended church with my 7 year old. We did the confession of sins part. He just said the prayer but looked confused. My 7 year old does not sin.


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    Eric Dierker (Ericdierker) 4 months ago

    A very firm statement of faith.


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    Eric Dierker (Ericdierker) 4 months ago

    Pretty bold statement of belief yet stated as fact. Interesting.


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    Catherine Mostly (Misfit Chick) 4 months ago

    It looks like you are saying birth defects are 'proof' of sin. That isn't true. The reason BOTH 'good' & 'bad' things happen to us is for the PURPOSE of 'soul expansion'. This erroneous perspective is SO harmful! READ my spolight hub, peeps!


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    Eric Dierker (Ericdierker) 4 months ago

    Thank you. I worry for the child who is not surrounded by love.


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    Eric Dierker (Ericdierker) 3 months ago

    So you are saying that a one year old child has a sin nature? Because he was born he is sinful?


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    Elijah A Alexander Jr (The0NatureBoy) 3 months ago

    Per Gen. 3:17, Ex. 3:14 & Isa. 45:7, God never forbid but allowed. Sin means "miss the mark" and life is for learning so we can't learn if they don't err for the purpose of reasoning for understanding purposes. It's sin's purpose, provoke reasoni


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    manatita44 4 months ago

    ED, God is ever-transcending, not static. Even His earthly prototype is. We are not where the Wright brothers were and each moment is new, yet alone years. The Soul carries past experiences. Sin is that which binds us.Nothing heavy. Part of growth.


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    Joel Lantz 4 months ago

    Are you sure? I recommend that readers watch this video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FRvVFW85IcU


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    Joel Lantz 4 months ago

    The TERM isn't in the Bible, but my first post effectively summarizes what's there: available choices (a metaphorical 'tree' of the knowledge of good and evil and the'first lobbyist's'suggestion to choose evil), the choice, and the consequences.


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