We have the Council of Nicea. We have Augustine and we have Paul. Some claim Adam and Eve sealed the sin deal for every wonderful beautiful baby born. If you wanted to you could show some interesting notions regarding abortion. I think I get the idea and I could maybe accept it. But it fails the love test. How can a man look at a premature infant struggling to thrive and say "that child is sinful"?
sort by best latest
Yes you said this very well. My answer missed the question on a premies and abortion completely. Everything a have read tells me there is a difference. Sometimes I don't explain verywell.
In looking at this again I notice that you change "original" sin to "sin nature". I think that is a huge leap. Because it is in our nature does not convict us of sin. I also do not see Christ's Passion for our nature but rather for sin committed.
Original sin is a synonym for sin nature. I think the term sin nature is clearer.
One catechism says, "We are sinful because of Adam and because of what we have done." Give us long enough, and we do it.
Very well explained, you are absolutely correct!
I keep working on this and read your comment again. I like "sin nature" verbiage.I am looking at 50+ folk and noticing a dearth of sin. A change in nature perhaps? A release from bondage while in this body? There is much to learn.
Misfit where I coming from is what you can not provide my spiritual future to keep living. You are promoting your own opinion and ideas that do nothing for anyone but argue your point.
Jesus has purchased human lives to keep us living.That matters.
Hi, Remember, David said "I" was born in sin...was he speaking of himself? That takes some study. Jesus spoke about a child's innocence to His disciples in Mark 9:36-42; He was direct on their position in the Kingdom. Taught to choose right/wrong.
Man Children are born to learn, conditioning by parents, government, schools and religion indoctrinate into b believing in right and wrong that religion calls sin -missing the mark- which is required for reasoning the various outcomes for wisdom.
@ Elijah, that's true. And it teaches us to learn to be careful of the company we keep. If a person wants to remain righteous and resist sin, surround yourself with people that are a good influence, according to the ways of God (Elohim).
Ann, It's not up to us to not sin, it's destiny & where we are in our journey through earth's plain to decree what we do. 5 incarnations are required to experience the 2 sides & middle of all things as both gender before our new birth to beco
Its really amazing how effed-up so many people have the concept of 'sin'. Very few seem to realize its purpose & if you've got peeps like Elijah insisting on his erroneous interpretation of it - its no wonder why people can't understand.
CM, what authority do you have to determine what anyone say is erroneous? Unless you have the authority you should stick with the topic and not discuss your own opinion about others.
LoL! Talk about the pot calling the kettle black! Get your crap straight and up-to-date; then you'll be saying something worth reading. Talk more about dimensions & incarnations, that should help!!
Born "into" is not "with" sin. The Bible reveals god do all things [in present tense] in Isaiah 45:7 meaning nothing is "missing the mark" except to carnal judging man. Spiritual man recognizes there's purpose for everything and seek them.
Amen! Like I keep saying, sin has a PURPOSE in our lives. Read my 1st spotlight article if you want the details of how/what/why. Nutshell: 'Bad' things INSPIRE DESIRE for good things & it is a tool 4 CREATING the Kingdom of God on Earth.
I am sorry but there is no rational mind that can leap from those 3 verses to orginal sin. Without Church doctrine - it does not stem from this. The words above say nothing of a 2 wk old child. And how about NT?
Sherrie all humans have errors some kind of way .we are not perfect .if that was true no man ,woman or child would die.people would not make mistakes, lose memory, grow old .perfection is the very opposite.
We all as humans are born with some error
Thank God you came up with scripture to convince the questioner.Because he needed the correct scripture portions.
Tom that is very wise. I am working on sermons along this line. Brutal work trying to tell a 65 year old lady that she is not a sinner. She was done with that 40 years ago. Could guilt and sin be in our DNA;-)? My son just does not sin.
This is so true. I keep saying that people don't know the purpose of 'sin' - 'they know not what they do'. That isn't what Christ's death was about; but it WAS what the pagan religions he was trying to set people free from was about. Think!
Catherine you might just find my last two sermons on sin interesting. https://hubpages.com/religion-philosophy/Erics-Sun...
When we get conditioned to "need" sin we miss the mark.
I read about 3/4 of the way through before realizing where you're coming from: you're one of many who are grappling with the obvious conundrums of Christianity. I've been there. You really should read my entire spotlight hub instead of skimming.
yes, we need to find out what is a sin and what is not a sin. And be careful with the cons. Thank you
An intellectual reply, my Bro. If you believe in transmigration or reincarnation. The soul takes many births to purify and perfect itself. But, I do not consider it to be as taking birth as sinful beings. It is only carrying forward of your balances.
Help me out Manatita. This notion of a journey gets far to much credit. I am where I was 40 years ago and where I will be in 40 more. It is only our perspective that changes. Not our heart. So am I sinful or not? -- my nature does not change. Or?
Yes, V.M. For you and I it is straightforward. I do not even use the word 'sin.' It is a religious concept, but important nevertheless. We speak of 'ignorance' or 'impediments.' The Soul always carry the essence of experiences past and past. (Karma)
This acceptance of a rotation until "I get it right" is not acceptable. I must get it right, right now. Seconds and over does it like a Mulligan playing golf is not good enough - you do not just get to play - next time I will get it right.
I Agree, we are on a journey to comprehend earth and all of its parts by incarnating as every attribute found on earth. That isn't sin defined as "missing the mark" but sin only to everyone who judges things good and evil.
Eric what happened you stop our conversation. I didn't see the part here that you wanted certain issues. I only answered the one question. Didn't know you wanted non scriptural answers or opinions. Did you see my comment?
Terrie I think we are close in our understanding. The difference seems to me to be that I believe sin must be a choice. No free will no sin. How can being born be sinful? Without the tradition there is not scripture to back up original sin.
I like 'inner Pilot' - more expressive than 'inner being'. I don't agree that our reincarnations carry forward balances. Every incarnation is NEW & former life experience HELPS affect us. Its why we don't remember them. We're NEW creations! :)
Reaping whatsoever man do is done via reincarnation: I rape a girl so I'm raped as her by reincarnation. The girl raped I incarnate as to imbed the raped & raping emotions into my spirit for all 360 degrees of the experienced is how karma works.
That ISN'T how karma works. Join the revolution! Karma is spirit-based, not sin-based. Its the mystery variable. Christianity isn't the only religion that has things twisted. Karma explained well about halfway thru: https://youtu.be/V6xCjY39_t0
In an altercation my opponent tripped my was almost knocked out, I left, later in another the reverse happened. We rekindled our friendship after karma allowed us both to experienced the 180 degrees of its emotions. That's karma & reaping & s
A healthy outlook, I think.
Sin means only "missing the mark" which is required for reasoning to comprehend the subject matter, that's different from evil which has no concrete means of recognizing it's existence.
Elijah, I am pretty sure that there are ten words for sin in the Bible and with derivatives about 30."Missing the Mark" is one. And even that concept is vague at best.
Misfit I am not taught by human opinions but by our Heavenly Father and Jesus.
You are the one that list your own opinions and human ideas of men.
That is why you don't believe in Heaven.
Actually, I do believe in God, Heaven & Jesus - just not the same way you do. If you actually read my spotlight hub instead of assuming you know it all, you'd know that.
I always find your "origination" of Christianity concept very fascinating. You make very good points regarding the whole arena of sin here. But I just feel a little off with no concept of faith and love. Justifying by intellect alone???
CM, That I give you a thumbs up for, I said something similar in https://hubpages.com/religion-philosophy/Understan... & https://hubpages.com/religion-philosophy/Why-Its-W... hubs.
Not at all, ALL religions re-connect us with our spiritual world in order to eventually lead us to the Treasure. There is an over-abundance of faith & love, just not enough room here to explain, ha!
Very good :-)
When U reconnect with your 'Christ Consciousness' U find you're PERFECT while your soul continues to expand thru life experiences. Has anything you ever loved ever FELT 'imperfect'? Emotions R our DIRECT connection to God but most don't know it.
I recommend that readers review an article titled "Exploding the Mithras Myth." http://strangenotions.com/exploding-mithras-myth/
You would have to explode the myths of many other saviors beyond Mithras. Its a continuing denial: similar means nothing. Perhaps MLK Jr. can help: https://kinginstitute.stanford.edu/king-papers/doc...
Eric if he believed they where sinful and proof of that is baptizing babies then something is wrong here .he endorese the bible you read .
Well said, Catherine Mostly. Specifically like your view that each of us should be "researching & shaking out for ourselves." When enough people do that a lot of this 'original sin' rubbish will fall away.
Well done Junaid. I like to think that I run. Run toward light and away from dark. Kind of an inherent pleasure pain instinct.
That curiosity is because we are learners and not reactors. Man means mind able to understand all things which is why. As Human/woman who can't comprehend all things use are designed toms the mark to experience every man characteristic.
It is true God created us in his image. "I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things." WHY do BOTH us & God create evil? To INSPIRE GOOD which is the only thing that actually EXISTS.
Very interesting. Your use of the term "evil" as opposed to sin brings me to question what you think is the difference. Is evil the propensity and sin the act?
Eric, online attempts to distinguish the difference between sin and evil vary. But I'm inclined to answer your question (regarding human moral evil), "Is evil the propensity and sin the act?" in the affirmative.
Yes - I am leaning toward a concept of concupiscence. Rather Catholic, but the notion seems to ring true. This seemingly universal desire to wrest control from our God which is good and take it upon ourselves. Not really sin at all but we call it tha
There is NOTHING 'evil' about ANY of us, especially during the 'terrible-twos'. Its NATURAL for a human baby growing up to experience early ranges of contrast - just like adults do. Sin has a purpose, and it isn't evil. Wish I had more room.
Of course. "There is NOTHING 'evil' about ANY of us," not in ISIS, Hitler, Stalin, Pol Pot, the 'Kims', common rapists, murderers, thieves, hackers, the John Gacys who torture their victims for fun, etc. They just "experience...ranges of contrast."
Thanks Joel your comments illustrate very well the difference between sin and evil. So now I think your answer exemplified evil not sin. Kind of a murky delineation. Subtle but there.
If we can't find the "good/evil" tree how can we justify the existence of either? ED, the difference is "sin" means "missing the mark" while "evil" is a judgment based on "sense perceptions" that only recognize half of the equation.
Just look around, Elijah. Do you see good and evil or not?
(Incidentally, I suspect that the "Tree" is an easily-recalled metaphor to transmit the evil/no- evil event in a dominantly oral culture — though strong literalists may disagree.)
No JL, I see man living the various emotions providing as an avenue for every life-force to experience them to become minds comprehending everything on earth, man's definition, before going to another plane to experience other things for that purpose
I really like this answer. I read it a few times.In doing so I notice a rather clear of the concept of the supernatural. Was this intentional? We focus on what man must do and leave out what God can do?
DH, Adam didn't disobey, he made the choice with a death penalty, not discarnate. His death, the inability to comprehend things, he didn't discarnate the day he ate it but he become ashamed and afraid caused by his ignorance and judging.
That makes sense. The judgment to disobey is nothing like our judgment of ourselves for disobeying. Huberus or not?
I will not disrespect you delusion. I encourage yo to visit the Russian Orthodox Cathedral of St John the Baptist there in DC
Tim, thank you for this. It is really an interesting area of thought and prayer. I am a bit amazed at the leap that goes from Adam to my newborn. Clearly we all sin. But just as clearly a 30 week old fetus does not. So when he first breathes?
Everything dies not just humans so death could not have come to us as a penalty for sin. Even the stars in heaven and everything in the physical world dies. As I said in a previous comment, the concept of original sin is not even Bible based.
SK, the death from eating "the knowledge of good and evil" was man or "minds able to understand all things" becoming woman/human as "minds unable to understand all things" and not man's physical discarnation although it led to it.
Stella I was listening to some string theory type stuff and I walked away thinking nothing dies it only transforms.
I call it discarnation as every physical form returns at the same time of it's appearance in a civilization with another section of its own timeline being it because of karma. A raped man was/is it's own raper before or after in another cycle.
I don't believe that Elijah. But I can see the spiritual logic. Your description leaves us in the same form, just elsewhere. Why would there be more than one mankind?
There's 700 million timelines, we live 1 with minor karma with all. We experience every personality in different ways,1's a nation's president, 1's corporation's all sexual orientations and the like to experience 360 degrees of every experience.
Where is it derived from the Bible?
Eric based on these two scriptures it very clear and my last post to you.
5 Look! I was born guilty of error,
And my mother conceived me in sin.
Job 14:4 Who can produce someone clean from someone unclean? No one can!
K&T any good Jew will tell you David was born out of an adulterous relationship. Otherwise why hide him from Samuel?
You have spoken the truth in children are taught a belief. But we are talking deeper. An infant can not willfully sin .but as he matures the gene to error is already genectic genetically there.
It is evident in birth defects. No child did nothing
Birth defects and any sin aren't even close to being in the same ballpark. It's times like these, I'm thankful that neither myself nor my child have to worry about it.
Thank you for this thoughtful answer. But it made me think. I think a child may be born with a guilt gene.My four children all seemed early on to feel bad if they did bad.And I am not a rod guy. It just is.
I don't think it's a guilt gene per se, rather an empathetic response to disappointing a parent, sibling, friend, etc.
It seems to me more geared toward the disappointment of self. It happens too often why the parent does not care.
I agree, SW, and wrote https://hubpages.com/education/What-Is-Christian-C... because of it.
Sherrie a perfect person does not age or get sick.
Childen get sick with colds and need immunizations. The law of the land even reconizes in genetically all have and error.
We all as human have a mark in our genes no getting around it.
Like so many others, K&T has been taught that 'sin' causes bad stuff to happen. It doesn't. Sin is meant to INSPIRE good via the UNIVERSAL LAW of ATTRACTION. Look it up or read my spotlight article. Its how Jesus HEALED & we can, too.
Good point. I really don't think most Christians realize that they have so many different people within their ranks who believe so many different ways. When they realize that, I think they will be able to love more & judge less, easier.
I think you get right to the heart of it that most "other denominations", protestants cannot see. Original Sin is not scriptural it is Catholic.
John. Are you sure that is not Catholic-Christian teachings? Even the Paul writing to Romans is vague.
But I think your question is actually more to the point. It seems it is just a concept of having a sinful nature - not born condemned.
ED, That makes sense to me since god made us minds unable to comprehend all things we are by the Flood. Sin only means "missing the mark" and being unable to comprehend all things, as man means, god intended most man of this world to be sinners.
E, it does seem in this case of original that it is like a baseline. More like a balancing of the Grace that we receive so that it is not like an auto thing but requiring an acknowledgment. Faith?
What you might call, 'conditioning' along with the mistake made by nearly all, that we are an 'ego' separate from all others. Not knowing who and what we are is a big part of the problem. Not caring to find out is the remainder.
Sorry Terrie I am not buying it. "no man is without sin" applies to the child who is born to a Christian mother in Somalia and dies 2 days later for no water? A dent in a pan? Two types of sin? Like big and little?
Eric, maybe I didn't explain it right. Scripture shows our imperfection because of adams sin is why christ died for our sins. That is inherited sin. The only reason for the pan is because it helps people see you can't make perfect from I'mperfect.
So Terrrie are equating lack of perfection with sin?
Hi Eric. Nothing to buy , iam not selling. Read Romans 5:12 . Or all of romans 5. I found a lot of info there.
Thanks Terrie, a very good reading for today. Romans 5 is understandable about grace. So I will read it a few more times and pray for discernment on the notion of original sin. Why I wonder does Paul use "many" 17 and on.Too much for a comment.
Yes Eric, lots to read. I read all of it too. Hope you have a great day. Why say fetus. Is your baby not born yet? I have 2 disabled children. Love with all my heart. What about Paul? Many from where.
Terrie my four children are all healthy but I have two premies and one breach birth. So I question this notion of sin in the womb. It does not make sense to me. Paul seems equivical to me. He certainly does not state "original sin". Maybe later.
Hi Eric. It could be just our difference in terms of how we say something. Sometimes I think it's like how a person talks or where they are brought up. Maybe I wouldn't call it original sin either. Natural or inherited sin, and yes our imperfection.
Terrie, it is seeming to me that the translators kind of missed the mark here and got lazy with the word "sin". I do believe you and I are on the same page. (although not HP - not going to comment is killing things in Answers)
The reference for your previous question is Romans 5:19.
"We are born into sin, that's why we needed Christ's sacrifice to atone for our sin."
Amen, some may see it as a crutch but it's a crutch we all need.
Which Christ, WBA, will atone for everyone after Jesus? Isa 11:1 gives us a Rod & Branch. 11:10-12 say the Branch comes to the gentiles when Israel is restored, when will our atoner come?
Elijah A Alexander Jr - Jesus is the atoner now and forever Hebrews 7:17 "You are a priest forever According to the order of Melchizedek."
WBA, then what is the purpose of the Branch's arrival, why did Christ say the son of man would spend 3 night & 3 days in the earth Mat.12:39-40 when he didn't, why must the Branch from David' root be revealed by death & resurrection Rev 5:5&a
So nice to hear from you and get your thoughts. Show me one verse in the Bible that can in anyway say there is original sin, please. Especially anything John of Jesus said. My son has never sinned. Period. At 7 he is sinless. That is fact.
Okay I will provide.Before that let me know what sin is according to you.
That which distances us from God.
1 john 1:8
Romans 3:23 can also be referred.
Carefully read https://hubpages.com/religion-philosophy/Understan... to understand every life-force has to experience ever potential life experience on earth that explains it isn't.
Pra I see absolutely no reference there to a child being born in sin. Where do you get that? And that is Paul referring to his own birth in Christ not a baby birth. Come on, please get real not dogmatic.
In genesis 18 we see about the destruction of Sodom.God says that He wants to destroy Sodom as there are no righteous.If what you are saying that children are not sinners is correct then God would have not said that Sodom has no righteous one.He woul
That is what you have? OK, you convinced me - no original sin in scripture - totally interpretation for the church or other reasons.
And why would someone stretch scripture to suggest OS - crazy.
Semi-proof that The Bible & Christianity are tainted by paganism; and that we were told the WRONG 'salvation' story about Jesus Christ: http://www.wnd.com/2016/07/proof-that-modern-chris...
Adam & Eve began cultivating man the flood completed earth over, religions cultivate man into a certain mindset that evil, sin & the like are the tools for it. Objective observing, participation & reasoning the outcomes purposes eliminate
So you are saying that a one year old child has a sin nature? Because he was born he is sinful?
Psa 51:5 Behold, I was shapen in iniquity; and in sin did my mother conceive me.
So that was our past, but once we come into Christ, we no longer have that sin nature, it was all wiped away by the every saving and ever pure blood of Jesus
You are suggesting that that verse means my infant child is a sinner after Christ came? Sorry but that verse does not say that, argue all you want it just does not. Who is the Psalm directed at?
HA,"The Mark" of sex is indulge for reproduction only, man's sex for pleasure is sin's "missing the mark" and the wisdom of that statement. The mark that brings understanding is missed by man's exalting themselves above ecological living.
That verse backs up that God is both 'the good' & 'the bad' in this world - there is no 'sin' aside from man's dogma. Pleasure in sex is as much of God as conception, & orgasm is a reminder of our connection to our Source.
A very firm statement of faith.
Definitely. Which is why people who believe Christ's purpose was different; and don't believe he died for the imposed pagan purpose of 'washing away sins' don't have to worry about eternity. Kabbalah is the law J came to fulfil. Look it up. :)
SoS I have been thinking of this and the more I do the more I like it.
A very interesting way to look at it. Original sin goes away with Baptism?
'Baptism' was a very pagan concept when Jesus was walking this earth. Research it. All religions are stepping stones but none are 'the way' for good reason: the minds of man get in 'the way'.
Such a beautiful name. Hello Catherine. Bad is Bad. My friends do not commit sin. But the notion of missing the mark stands true. Let us try not to.
Actually, even 'missing the mark' is inaccurate. From our human perspective there is crime & sin; but God is beyond all-forgiving & all-knowing, he/she is all-understanding & knows why we do every little thing. :)
ED, God is ever-transcending, not static. Even His earthly prototype is. We are not where the Wright brothers were and each moment is new, yet alone years. The Soul carries past experiences. Sin is that which binds us.Nothing heavy. Part of growth.
Eric to remind many that it was King James of England in 1600's who decided to translate the bible himself very political .He also decided to remove the personal name YHWH tetregraminton of the Heavenly Father name.
Replaced with Lord .
Jesus is lo
Pretty bold statement of belief yet stated as fact. Interesting.
Adam and Eve committed no sin, they fulfilled their destiny and began this civilization too cause the metamorphosis of dividing man into multiple personalities so every life-force can experience every attribute of man before it's reversed.
There is no 'reversed' - the Kingdom of God is eternal and always moves forward as his Universe expands - even if he has to 'destroy' to do it. God neither looks back nor punishes - both are manmade concepts.
Thank you. I worry for the child who is not surrounded by love.
That is called cultivating -disallowing some thing to have being and allowing others to be uninhibited- and is why Gen 1:24 reads "Therefore shall a man leave his father and his mother, and shall cleave unto his wife: and they shall be one flesh."
Its called, 'believing lies & proliferating them'. If Christians really want answers to this question, they need to return to the earliest days of Christianity's start. But, why should they when there are these beautiful lies to believe?
It looks like you are saying birth defects are 'proof' of sin. That isn't true. The reason BOTH 'good' & 'bad' things happen to us is for the PURPOSE of 'soul expansion'. This erroneous perspective is SO harmful! READ my spolight hub, peeps!
Misfit the point that humans die period including cute adorable babies prove this is truth as written. We are all genetically born flawed.and your human refrences you have listed have no advantage over the the Heavenly Father who has always been.
The fact that we die doesn't prove anything other than we are HUMAN. We were never created to live eternal lives in a physical form. Its WHY we have a physically-based ego & eternal soul - BOTH.
Also misfit what kind of soul expantion of good and bad can an infant or fetus come to mental grisp with.
They have no mental capabilities to act on good or bad. They are genetically flawed not hard to understand.
K&T I think your NT verse does not mean that we are born with sin. Obviously that is the verse used normally. Paul or Jesus could have easily said that when we are born we are sinful.
Eric with all do respect you are comparing a 1600 translation KJV to a translation formed from Hebrew and Greek original translation. It is new based on that we speak English. If you lived in another country it would be in their language.
We are always faced with the theologian, Lexicographer, translator and publisher. And you know I do not just read one version or just one verse. I do not agree that Romans shows original sin.
Eric I rushed out the house for appointment posting comment.just realized I had the right person wrong title subject. Sorry for my error.
But I am addressing that Augustine a Catholic church father baptized babies for sin.If not he believed damn
So no original sin?
The man has sinned or the man is a sinner?
Rod, that's church's concept, you should read the Bible with understanding and that concept would change. Read my hub "understanding the knowledge of good and evil" for a starter.
Elijah, you have some OLD concepts correct, but you are not caught up with what is going on in Spirituality today. Catch up, please. You need to incorporate the Universal Law of Attraction into your theories.
Romans 5:17 For if, because of one man's trespass, death reigned through that one man, much more will those who receive the abundance of grace and the free gift...in life through the one man Jesus Christ.
Are you sure? I recommend that readers watch this video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FRvVFW85IcU
Babies wouldn't make the 'punish' choice if the option wasn't given to them & stats R not 100%. Choice exists. We aren't 'innocent' we are OLD spiritual beings born with a NEW human ego to help accomplish our intentions for this round of life.
Joel - Yes, I am quite sure! Born with the potential to commit sin is not the same as being born "with original sin".
See my A-to-Q. Biblical "Original sin" was the choice eons ago to reject God's anti-sin control. That irreversible decision affects us all. Sin *capability* was arguably there from the git-go, but was originally sequestered by God's control. No more.
The TERM isn't in the Bible, but my first post effectively summarizes what's there: available choices (a metaphorical 'tree' of the knowledge of good and evil and the'first lobbyist's'suggestion to choose evil), the choice, and the consequences.
The TERM isn't in the Bible but the BASES are, as summarized in my original post (in non-theo language): 1. The choices (metaphorical Tree of Knowledge of Good and Evil and "1st lobbyist's" urgings to pick evil), 2. the decision, 3. the consequences.
Sorry friend but it effectively shows us there is not scripture to back up the notion of Original sin. It is dogma not scripture.
The scriptural PRINCIPLES are clear. Many New Testament references to the CONDITION (not called 'Original sin"; call it 'googah' if you want).
Critical. UNREALISTIC utopian, 'implicitly good' philosophies (such as in communism) lead to bad outcomes.
Joe, https://hubpages.com/religion-philosophy/Understan... explains how there in no original sin but a birthing of today's civilization necessary to allow every life-force to experience every earthly life experience.
You are talking about the term original sin in scripture.The term Trinity is not mentioned n Bible.But its indirectly written the father,the son and the holy spirit. Likewise its nowhere mentioned original sin.
You said your son hasn't sinned.Answer
We do not speak 1600 King James dialects nore is the word meanings the same. Example helling potatoes has a different meaning in his time. Potatage is called red stew. Also his translation is bias to his own religion even though used global. Errors