There are some original hubbers/writers, who have made many comments/complaints that their revenue has dropped substantially compared to when they first started,alongside the fact that they are finding it harder to get their articles published on HB. It would be interesting to know if in fact,it is the majority of original hubbers or the minority. Anyone know? Thanks.
One important thing to consider is that the long-time Hubbers who have not seen drops in traffic don't tend to post about it in the Forums.
I don't have readily available figures re: particularly old Hubbers' traffic, but I can tell you for sure that while some Hubbers' traffic goes down, others have seen increases.
Irrespective of what has been stated in this thread so far, I really don't think you will get anything comparable information-wise, as large amount of Original Hubbers who were here previously, are no longer here! Factually, many 'Originals' left HP for a variety of reasons, including and as a result of site changes that greatly reduced individual incomes!
I'm not the writer that most of the hubbers are. I have been here for five years. I made money before not a lot but at least it seemed at Christmas a check would come. I wasn't even keeping track of my hubs and they were awful. Now I make a payout each month. It's not a big amount but ok with me. I complain about the views like everyone else but I don't plan on leaving.
I've been here about 3 years and my income has increased every year. One thing that I've learned is that it takes hard work. I spent my first year only writing a few hubs, but spent the time studying what it took to succeed. Then I wrote a lot of hubs.
I was hit by the first Panda, but read that pages needed to be updated to do well. I worked on that and it worked. My traffic seasonally goes up and down, but increases every year. This is normal. Right now, my traffic is down a bit.
Find good titles to write about and you'll do fine. You'll learn what works as you keep at it.
Only a handful of 'original' hubbers, (if even that), post regularly in the forums. I've been here 3.5 years and have seen fluctuations, mostly in the last year. Traffic is lower this year than it's been previously. I don't publish regularly because of my career, I simply don't have the time that I once had. HP has been through a lot of changes, and it has to be challenging to run a user generated content site. While they receive a lot of criticism for traffic loss, I think traffic loss has more to do with the continual evolution of search and online writing in general. It's much more challenging to rank well from a UGC and stay in that position than it was even a year ago.
Many of us used to publish hubs, see them rank well and stay there without doing too much of anything. They brought traffic on their own from good search ranks, organic links, sharing. I think now they need more SEO regularly to perform well. There is also a lot of online plagiarism which can affect a hubs page rank. I may be wrong but this is my observation from someone who does not publish and work full time online.
I don't actually categorize myself as an original hubber, but have been here long enough to make observations.
You said it for me, rebekahELLE. I've been here for going on five years. Three years ago this content site showed earnings promise. That's all different now. I don't know that hubs on HP need more SEO. Rather, I think that so long as Google is King of advertising dollars and sets its own agenda, sites like HP that rely on the big G's blessings will have a long row to hoe to get their authors' works earning again.
I've been with HP for over a year and I haven't made a cent. I always supposed it was because poetry isn't economically feasible. However I have a few other ideas for this year so we'll see what happens. My hub views are alright. Go figure.
It took me AGES to start earning anything above pennies on HubPages- it can take quite a while to gain traction. Hang in there!
Oh, come on, Simone, go back and check my figures. I would have made my first $100 from Google in the first four months. It's just that Panda came along in my 3rd or 4th month, and things went south from there. Sure it takes a while for some, but right from the start many of my hubs were gettting to the top of Google (and I do take screenshots of this for my portfolio).
Panda changed that.
Sorry about my ignorance ,I am still on learning curve,whats -Panda--?
Time matters, it takes time for people who are interested in your niche to find you. I've never been good at SEO stuff, but by the time I was here 1 year I couldn't make the payout of $50 every month, but just came a little short, and was paid every other month. Now I've been paid regularly every month and more than $50.00, though the first few days of February have been slow. I'm not sure about how badly the "Pending" status is hurting, as I write on two other sites (which you should consider) and also have my own blog. Each site is a little different, and some ask you to write 5 or 10 articles before they "approve" you. Best wishes.
There's some misunderstanding about why time matters, and what it takes for an article to mature.
If you write about something that nobody else has written about, it doesn't need time to mature at all. I have had numerous (too many to count) articles that have made it to either the first page or number one position within hours of being published. Some articles have retained that position for years (e.g. one that I published with Associate Content) You can see it shots of it in my online portfolio.
Next, if millions of people have written about the topic, here's what happens. The people who got there first had the most traffic so Google gave it number one ranking. And because being at number one position automatically gives you 60% of the non SEM traffic, it pretty much has a reason to stay there. It is extremely difficult to get something to move if it has thousands and thousands of hits per day.
However, over a period of time, some articles fall of the first page, either because they have been deleted or removed by the owner or because another article, has had numerous hits as a result of many views. As it gets more and more views,, it automatically generates more views because Google is pushing it up.
That's the only reason time matters. Just because an article has been on the Internet for a long time doesn't in any way gurantee that it is going to get to page one eventually. It dosen't work that way.
greencha, Panda is an aglorhythm that Google uses to determine what pages are the best. Google can love you or kill you. It is important to see that your article is better than any other one on the subject and then keep updating it if you want Google love. This doesn't even work sometimes. I alternate between loving and hating them.
If you haven't made a single cent, you might want to check your settings and make sure that everything has been properly set up.
I have been here for about seven months. I started off with getting $0.00 - $0.01 a day, but now I make at least $0.03 a day. I haven't gotten a payout yet, but I'm working on it.
If you literally haven't made a cent, then I strongly suggest you double-check your Adsense setup is correct. Also, sign up for the HP Ads program - because it pays per view.
I am not a real long timer but I do think earnings are down. I am still getting satisfactory results though.
If HP would pay me $7/day to post in the forums, my earnings would round out nicely. Or, HP could pay me $7/day to not post in the forums; that would work out equally well.
My payouts have steadily climbed in the (almost) year I have been on HubPages. It sounds corny, but finding my niche (Excel 2007 / 2010) and writing a load of hubs on it really helped my earnings. I still only earn cents a day, but I will reach my first payout hopefully in the first part of this year.
So far, my earnings are not affected by any of the Panda updates, I concentrate on writing evergreen hubs and taking time and care editing and checking my hubs. I also go back and update them when necessary.
I have set myself the goal of getting a payout per month by the end of the year, lets see what 2013 brings!
I"m not a long timer, but I have complained about one thing that has since been resolved. If I were you I'd definitely stick with HP for the earning potential as well as for the community. One thing I've learned in my short time here, thanks to the long-timers who generously give advice, is that it's a good idea to diversify and write for a few sites. In the future, you can maybe even think about putting up a blog. That way your income comes from multiple sources.
I've been on HP for almost 6 years. It took a year to earn regular payouts and earnings increased regularly for the most part thereafter. There was an extraordinarily high point and a few somewhat low points; but subdomains and updating/revising older Hubs helped about 500% (seriously). I'm satisfied with earnings and gradual increase, but CPM rates do seem to be down. I think that this is because advertisers are willing to pay less and many businesses are always looking to cut costs.
Changes can be a bit time consuming and a couple of them have been headaches, but the Internet writing market and comsumer base interests/search change; and I feel, so must we and I hope the changes are income-postive in the long run. The changes are still nothing like the changes I had to do to a master's thesis over the course of 18 months - 5 whole different versions of 100+ pages, mostly without the Internet. Comparatively, this on HP is easy, and at least we don't have to pay to belong to the site. Three other sites to which I previously belonged closed down - one did ask for money and one never paid money owed - a few new ones make it hard to earn income or to keep one's rights to content, but HP is still active.
I'm willing to stay onboard and see the results, which are increasing gradually at my end.
Three years on HP. Took almost a year for my first payout. I have received a Google payout every month since, except for two months, one of which was last month, ended 2-3 dollars short of payout. Which is way over 50% lower than average.
The amount of traffic was slightly lower, and what I received per click has been drastically reduced lately.
Two active accounts on totally separate subject matter.
I have been here 5 years.
Comparing November - December 2010 to the same period in 2012...my profits were down 518 dollars.
Why am I still here you may ask?
Well... for one my life isn't dependent on HP (Thank God) and for two I really believe that it will get better and we will see those 20-30 dollar a day days again.
I used that have those 20-30 dollar days....
I hope so Sabre. My earnings are down $500 - $600 a month since Panda and Penguin hit. From 5,000 views a day to 500. My strategy is to start writing on more niche topics, will see how that goes. Hubs that used to get over a thousand views a day are now down to the hundreds.
HP keeps trying to better things though. They do want us to succeed too.
The key point is that despite adding hundreds of pages every day HP has not been able to increase its traffic since the crash in 2011. Despite idling and featured hubs, and lots of layout changes, etc. total traffic has remained flat or declined. When is it going to improve? Idling promised much, but has delivered very little. I think this graph shows the average historic traffic change for most authors - some have done better and some worse. The only way to sustain traffic and earnings is to publish more and more pages as the hit rate per page declines.
The most I've ever made in a given month on HubPages was close to $11. But I've usually made at least over $4 in a given month (and I have cashed out twice on HubPages). But the last month I've made under $3 and my traffic has greatly dropped, dropped to a point where I can have under 10 impressions per day and I noticed that a large number of my hubs are no longer featured. I just don't get why that is. I also wonder how the HubPages AD program stats works... Are the number we see under daily impressions equivalent to the total number of views we get on those days?
I have been here over 4 years and my earnings and traffic has taken a big hit. At my high in 2010 early 2011 I was regularly earning over 1,000/month and getting about 2000+ uniques/day. Now, I make a few hundred a month and get about 200-300 uniques/day.
Since HP is only a part of my online work, I left for awhile and didn't do much with my hubs. I just came back a few weeks ago to see if I could find a way to resurrect my HP portfolio. I have deleted a bunch of hubs and am now working on updating and cross promoting the others. I am not ready to give up yet.
On another site I write on, there are many ex-hubbers who have completely given up on HP. They have deleted or moved most if not all of their content.
I know that we are encouraged not to put all of our eggs in one basket, but I haven't found much out there that I want to join. I looked at Squidoo for a while, but found it overly promotional. I am still interested in Wizzley. I am freelancing at a couple of places, but that means I lose my copyright. If I may ask, what sites are you writing on that you like?
I write on Squidoo, Zujava and Wizzley in addition to my own niche blogs. Squidoo is the first site I started on in 2007. I honestly like all of these writing platforms and am seeing good results with them. I would suggest giving a few of them a try to see what happens!
I've only been here a few months, so it is very encouraging to hear from old timers who are still here. Where did all the ex-hubbers go? Wizzley?
From my own limited vantage point it still seems as if HP has a lot of potential.
My old account which is now more than a year old is having a steady traffic of 1k per day for almost 7 months now. I know it's still to early to come up with conclusions but I guess that figure somehow shows us a hint that a stable amount of traffic can be achieved here in Hubpages. The earning I get from the said account is stead as well.
I have started about a month ago (my profile is 4 months old, but I had only one hub without a picture posted, until a month ago) and I am making at least 0.07$ every day and the numbers are going up with the more hubs I post. Generally I go around creating evergreen, SEO-targeted content, follow the latest trends and publish hubs with exclusive titles. I dedicate about an hour or two a day to hubpages a day, but I am really going for a Success story ...
I won't give up on hubpages, because it saves a hell-of-a-lot time, it has great SE Optimization and is fairly easy to use.
Note that I am a freelance article writer for 3 years now, so I knew a lot when I started writing for Hubpages and it's not my only income, so I haven't started from scratch, but still ...
Just two days ago, I celebrated my 5th year anniversary here. Things were going pretty well about 2 years ago, then everything plummeted when Google wreaked havoc and unleashed all those pandas and penguins. I have grown so much though professionally from that time. I started 5 years ago as a dog owner, eager to learn more about dogs and writing mainly out of passion. Then I asked myself, what are my credentials, how can I add authority to my articles, how can I learn more? I was so thirsty of knowledge to share with others, I decided to make a career out of it, so I studied, attended workshops for several months and became a certified trainer/behavior consultant. Why am I still here? First of all, my articles make great handouts for my clients. I print them out and give them in classes or for behavior consults, secondly I still earn something (even though not as great as before) so if I combine it with my other hobbies of training dogs and writing for several clients, magazines and books it all sums up nicely at the end of the month;) And third, and not least importantly, I write out of passion and in hopes of helping others.
It's been a while since I posted in the forums. I honestly do not know what to do with HubPages anymore. I used to make several hundred dollars a month and came somewhat close to $1000 dollars in 2011.
But nothing ranks anymore!! Perhaps it is because HubPages as a whole does not rank as well. Plus I was hit by Google Algorithms that took my traffic down.
I remember the days when I used to work a couple hours on an article and it would have success in a couple days. Not every article was like that, however, I never see articles like this anymore. Of course, I have not been doing as much on here lately mainly because I feel like the work is wasted -- where in the past it was not.
I proved to myself that I could make part-time income on here and succeeded, but it's not like it used to be.
NOTHING RANKS! There has to be a loophole somewhere.
David470, that's the frustrating part of it all. You would think the more you write, the more you make, but in the last year and a half or so, I am making the same I did when I had considerably less articles and wrote just every once in a while. It's sort of like if everything went backwards and then just stalled. I wonder if it's because Google is saturated with so much content it needs to index things over and over to keep up with quality. Yet, some say articles need time to mature and stabilize but I had some hubpage articles ranking well on Google for years being replaced by newer websites other people created just recently. When I bought a website not too long ago, I was offered by a company to pay $100 a month to have my website on the first page of Google. I wonder if some people actually do this and if it works, if so, this may explain how newer content surpasses some of the older content.
Most of the hubs that I had success with got successful within a couple days. Many will say that some Hubs need to mature (which is true for some niches I'd imagine), but mine did not have to.
I still have a couple hubs that make up most of my traffic because the one originally got 1000's of views a day. But it seems like I can not get a hub to make at least 100 views consistently anymore.
I might have to start publishing hubs during times where people will be searching the most. But I dislike how you must wait 24 hours until is is published.
I wanted to see where one of my hubs ranked on Google. It used to be number 2 and is now number 5. So I checked out the competition. One of the pages that beat me out that used to be below me had over 6000 words! I think the quality and how much content you need has risen.
Infobarrel has recently said they are moving to a payment plan structured like the one on Hubpages now. I have been writing on Wizzley and my blog, and have written the 10 obligatory pieces on IB to be accepted. When I decided to stop adding content on HP, I took a serious look at IB, and it seemed as though only a few of the same writers were posting, and the forum posts were very dated. So I went to Wizzley, for the 2nd time. There are a lot of ex-hubbers there, but there's just something about it, still some bad feelings about their leaving of HP and taking their content. Plus I have trouble finding things to interest that crowd. So I write some pieces on there, some here, and will most likely go back to IB because I like the payment structure here better than making a penny a day on Adsense. Plus I already have pieces there as well. I guess it's best to diversify. Also, each site changes often, so if you leave for a few weeks, prepare for different ways of doing things once you get back.
I posted on another forum - relevant here also
I didn't mean time matters for every hub you write. I have also had hubs that people apparently liked, many of my Astrology ones were on Page 1 of Google for a long time. But it took longer for some of the others to take off. It depends on interests people have, or what's going on in the world and if that relates to what you write.
I was doing better each month, making a payout then BAM! December struck. I had a hub producing between 250-500 hits a day, that now only gets 40 max. Now I only average about a dollar a day, if that. I might just barely get a pay-out every other month, at this rate.
I am with HubPages for more than 4 years now. This is the first revenue sharing site I started writing on. It took me nearly eight months to make my first payout and another 4 months to start making monthly payouts. My traffic and earnings here keeps fluctuating but I guess I would continue being loyal here. Sometimes tweaking old hubs or deleting low quality content works. Unlike many, I don't see any point in moving hubs to 'other places' depending on Google mood swings. I would rather write new and better content to please search engines than copy pasting my hubs there. Having said that, I find HP the best revenue sharing site I have seen so far. I find the HP Team members helpful. Also, they have always come up with new changes to keep up with the Uncle G mood swings.
Have you written on any other revenue sharing sites? Because I write on three other sites and don't believe that HP is the best. Just my opinion of course.
Yes, I have written on 5 revenue sharing sites other than HubPages. But these days, I am more into working on client's sites than concentrating on my own writing.
Janet, could you share with us what other sites you prefer?
Uh as the title says, I wondered who were the original hubbers here on hubpages? Name a few if you know them...
Note that those stats are as of October 2011. It's nearly a year and a half later now, and I doubt the earnings pictures are the same.
+ Ghost32 who just celebrated 1M views, 1400 hubs, joined 5 years ago.
Just wondering, my hubs have over 2 million views, but my profile only has the 1 million views award. Is there an award for 2 million?
Currently, the next accolade incrementation is 10M. But there have been postings that might change.
Do you know if Accolades have positive influence (for Hubbers) with Google/Google Adsense?
No. They're just intended as a motivator. Same with HubScores and HubberScores and followers.
I can say Angela Harris, She has 1399 followers and 496 hubs joined 5 years ago. She was one of the first hubpages hubbers.
I'm not sure who was here right at the very start but I can name a few of the early ones.
Relache, Ralph Deeds, Isabella Snow, GamerGirl, Maddie Ruud, JimmytheJock
Some who joined later, but were big names and very successful (and have gone on to success outside HP):
Nelle Hoxsie, Sunforged, Mark Knowles
There is a lot of names that you saw constantly. Some had hundreds of hubs, the most I have seen is 500 hubs for one writer, and you don't see them at all anymore.
5 years and nearly 1900 hubs.
Oh yea! Patty. I knew here before. I was here before as a hubber but that's an other story. Anyway, She is like a legend on hubpages. I am lucky she is following me
Whitney05 is an original hubber, 5 years, 1044 hubs, over 10,000,000 views!
People who were here from the very earliest days of HubPages will have been with the site for six years, not five.
Hang in there. If you keeping on trying and working hard it will come. The money I mean. I've been with hubpages for three years. It took a while to start earning but once I did, it steadily, slowly went up. It will come for you too.
In case it's helpful -
I've been here a little more than 6 years, and I have certainly seen a drop in revenue - I make about 20% of what I used to. Which is still ok I'm not leaving HubPages in the foreseeable future, but I'm definitely not motivated to post or publish as much as I used to either because I haven't been seeing the payout.
Best of luck to everyone!
Thanks glassvisage. Do you thiink the reduction in revenue is due to Google,and its influence? If so can you see the possibility HP management may see the light and use a different company.
HP management does not "use" Google in the sense I think you mean.
HP management uses Google Adsense ads on its pages, but that is completely irrelevant to how much traffic we get.
It's our readers who "use" Google to find material on the internet. Neither HubPages nor any other website owner can force those readers, whom we don't even know, to use another search engine such as Bing or Yahoo! If the majority of the world uses Google to search, then that's got to be our main way for readers to find us, and there is nothing we or HubPages can do to change that.
Sorry Marisa I put that question quite badly.What I mean is as many original Hubbers seem disatisfied
with fall in revenue,and if it is the case that GoogleAdsense have reduced the revenue/payout .Then does HB have to stay 'beholden' to Adsense or could they use a different company?
Google haven't reduced the revenue and payout, they have changed the algorithm that determines where our hubs appear in their search results. If your hubs suddenly go from page one to page 10 in the results, naturally less people will find them, therefore less readers, means less revenue for you (either from clicks or impressions).
Most people here earn better from the HP Ad program (impressions not clicks) as opposed to Adsense alone, so few of us are relying on Adsense (certainly not on clicks to their Ads). Even if it would make a difference to HP to change the Ads it uses to another source other than Adsense, there are not really any decent alternatives (Chikita, Kontera etc are generally considered rubbish). Bottom line, whatever adverts we had on our hubs we would still earn very little from them if Google have hidden our articles many pages down in the search engine results.
Thank you for this easily understood explanation. It's also quite true. I'm sure that others here will benefit from this information. I, for one, am certainly happy with the HP ad program.
Thanks very much that's clearer to me know. Best regards c
Just incase anyone didn't see this, I thought I would post it here
http://mark-knowles.hubpages.com/video/ … es-Traffic
Greencha, unfortunately, a drop in earnings is a complaint reported on some other platforms too. It doesn't seem specific to HP.
Hi Jean! I am still feeling out this whole writing online thing and I thought maybe you could answer a question for me. Am I legally permitted to use the profile/ penn name, I write under here on HP (Sphinx's Sanctum), on other publishing websites? I really don't know how this works. Thank-you!
Yes. I use my name everywhere.
As for figuring out how it works. If you find out - let me know.
Yes of course you can. You can use your username as a brand all over the internet. My real name is very common but Rik Ravado is unique on the web so I use it everywhere and I've even used it to publish an ebook on Amazon. I also have another account here publishing on very different topics and with a different style of writing.
I've been here 5 years and have seen some reductions in traffic at various times. It took me about a year to reach payout and I've never fallen below this. My trend is still upwards though I don't publish much here any more. I find now the bulk of my traffic and earnings come from about 5-10 hubs out of a total of around 90.
In the old days you could earn from almost anything but now it is much more difficult to get significant traffic to any article on the internet. I'm still happy here and finding it worthwhile. I also believe things may well improve.
I hadn't published hub here for over 5 months, and have deleted some. I decided to put a new hub just to see what happens. So far HP has lost over 100 bew articles to Zujava. HP is about ready to lose the new one I posted since they have it in the Pending status for 2 days now.
HP has gotten to be ridiculous. Decent hubs get put in Idle. New ones sit unpublished. Crap hubs get featured.
I too have had a hub in "Pending" for well over 24 hrs & it also started with a very low hub score, which then dipped even lower & has not come up to more than 45! I've not had this occur with any of the other hubs I've written so I'm a little annoyed and aggravated! Grrrrr...... I keep hoping there is some glitch. I was away from HP for quite a few months but something around here seems very different from when I first signed-up, about 9 mos ago! I'm not liking what I'm finding, newly returned.
greencha: If you have spent much time in the forums, and question and answers here, you will see that we have those who work for HP watch to see what we are writing about, complaining about, etc.
The response they give us, is We know this and are working on it. HP is always working on something, but things never get better, only worse. Sending a message, sometimes you get a response, maybe not. Then you may wait, and wait and wait some more to see if you get a response or not.
Sphinx; Mine did the same thing, and it still sits in pending. I have had them sit for several days. The stupidity is write a recipe from a cookbook, something that is intelligible because the written English is so bad, about HP and you get a high Hub score from the start and it gets published.
The one thing I do know is how to delete the hub and use it elsewhere.
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