It seems to be a regular sentiment in the forum threads. Are you waiting to see what will happen?
I don't know that I decided to stop... I just kind of lost the desire to.
It was one thing when they got very little traffic, but to go from having every hub featured to HP's un-featuring them... which in turn caused my hubber score to drop... I don't know... kind of demoralizing.
You really cannot tell what people are doing based on these forum threads. The people who comment are often angry about something (like traffic) and the answers are skewed.
It's true people mostly vent on the forums. But I always felt like a number here too. I never had any kind of recognition even though I worked hard, I never won any little contest. That hurt, because writing or hubs I thought were very substandard always won. I think you need to be one of the moderator's pets to get any attention here. I am sick of the anonymous "tips" every time they change everything too. Sometimes I write in other places for a month or two, and whenever I come back here, find all sorts of changes that make no sense. Like the Amazon capsule thing. Apparently HP never negotiated the special, better percentage we were supposed to get about a year ago.
But it's hard to build up a lot of content on another site when you have a lot here. I took off a year, began a blog, and besides working every night to add content so Google would recognize it, also wrote the obligatory 10 pieces on two other sites. I just can't stand the thought of starting that all over again. It's just easier to add to what I have here. That's the only reason I stay. I'm sure there are thousands of people writing lots of hubs we never hear from.
Yes, as always. If traffic picks up, I'll resume normal services.
I quit this place months ago and started migrating my hubs elsewhere. There is a seriously flawed business plan here.
I made a New Year's resolution: If I don't get PAID, I move on. Now I make real money elsewhere. Paychecks come in from all over now.
Yes, there's really no point in adding more content to watch the blue arrows and the blue "tips" to "help." I am writing a series that needs 3 more pieces, but I can move it when I have all 12, it's astrology so I'm writing for every sign. It will be nice on my blog. I already began it here before things got so bad, now I'm sorry.
There is a chance things will pick up In September. It always has in my experience. I'm seeing slightly more traffic this week than last week, but not enough.
I'm still active on here, writing at least once a week. However, I've noticed that a lot of writers on here have slacked off a bit. It's very demoralizing seeing my numbers as of late, but I keep on going hoping that things will turn around.
I haven't been writing as many hubs lately because my work has kept me so busy. The incoming traffic on my hubs was fairly consistent up until about a week or so ago, then it took a huge drop. I've even been in the process of moving many of my very successful blog posts from my blog over to HP (properly using 301 redirects from my blog to direct their traffic) and said articles produce less traffic in the form of hubs on HP than they had in my blog, however my blog lacks Google ads because I found that having their ads in my blog produced almost random results despite how specifically I crafted their intended relational output in Adsense... so maybe Adsense is the overall problem in HubPages.
If we are encouraged to write here in order to earn money, but we're not earning money, then the encouragement and hope of earning is non-existent... in turn we write less hubs.
Overall, this has made writing here in HP much like trying to beat levels (Accolades) or to earn high scores (HubScores) in video games. I like to play video games when I have time, but writing on the other hand takes a lot of work, thought and research with little reward for headaches and throbbing fingertips. I will continue with writing hubs on HP, but overall the initial thrill has worn off and now it's all about rules, mechanics, and stressing over traffic and earnings... these are things I didn't worry about before and they take the fun out of writing for pleasure on topics of interest.
No I haven't decided to stop writing, I just haven't had the time I once did. I love HP and the community of writers are awesome! I just wish I knew how to improve the hubs that need to be. I wish there were specific one on one critiques to guide me to bring quality up.
Yes, I no longer write here, it's not worth the effort.
I've sort lost the desire to as well. I recently published a novel and am working on my next book. I just don't feel like posting new content especially since my traffic has been low the past few months. I'll still post but not as often as I used to. I'd rather try to finish another novel.
Well, it certainly has been very disturbing publishing "evergreen" hubs which rank very high, if not in the number one spot on Google, with tons of views on each newly published hub, and tons of comments to boot, all saying great quality in commenting, etc., then my score drops and continues to drop, almost as if someone is intentionally voting down the hubs as the numbers just do not add up to reflect the profile score. It is very disturbing and really to be honest not fair when publishing as good qualify of hubs and one's score not changing a bit. I have noticed that the views this day seem to be frozen. I put in a ton of work and time into my hubs in complying with the new standards here of late, but to no avail as far as being reflected in profile score. Something is just not making any sense. So, I can understand a lot of hubbers taking their writing to other sites. I love this community and have been well-received here, so I would love to stay, but something seems to be wrong for my score has been frozen it seems, when just not long ago at 97 and then went down to 83, which has never been such in over 16 months, when I first joined HP. Plus with publishing up to the new standards, participating in the community by hub hopping, commenting and sharing, which takes up so much time, but, again, to no avail. I have check Google and they are ranked high, as well in the number one spot under the topic I publish for a good long while, so that means it is good quality to be in the number one spot under the particular topic. As one commented here, it is certainly demoralizing to say the least.
I've been on the site for about a year but haven't really spent that much time writing. (my bad). I'm starting to see a tiny uptick in revenue but don't really have enough content to expect much. I haven't given up on HubPages, and I appreciate the opportunity to write here.
I stopped a long time ago when the idling of hubs nonsense showed that the primary criterion of "quality" that operates here is not quality as such, but number of views.
Subsequent events have done nothing to restore my confidence, for example the fact that the fate of hubs is judged by people working for a pittance on MTurk.
Most recently, I note that some of the people who are crowing loudest about their hubs having been selected for Editor's Choice actually write vacuous generic drivel in very poor English.
I continue to drop in, mainly to communicate with friends, but my content is now going on my own sites or on Bubblews, where it is not submitted to stupid requirements and where I earn more in a day than I earn here in two weeks.
I have written one hub in the last year. The whole "unfeaturing due to lack of engagement" thing scared me off, especially since seasonal hubs were so badly affected and new hubs were being unfeatured if they weren't getting lots of views fast. When they tweaked the forumula for unfeaturing to give hubs more time to get views I was going to start writing again, but then Panda struck and now every day there are new rules about what we should and shouldn't do with our hubs... I just don't see the point in writing here while everything is so volitile. I got myself a blog (although I haven't written there yet) and am considering whether I should try other writing sites as well. In the meantime I'm going to wait and see what happens here. If things settle down a little, perhaps I'll try again.
Sorry to hear that Beth. I haven't read any of your articles, but your forum posts are hilarious, especially the ones about stalking Mark E!
WriteAngled - Did you decide to stick with Bubblews? I think I saw somewhere that you had joined, but weren't too happy about some of the tripe on the site.
I have a vision of you standing in the dark with a bag of meat cleavers ha ha!
There is a lot of tripe there, and some spun content too.
I decided to try in the end, because a number of people I know reported they were actually enjoying the experience.
I've discovered it is easy to avoid rubbish by being selective about one's connections. I immediately disconnect from anyone who posts spun stuff or generic drivel.
What really won me over is that I can simply write my thoughts and ideas in a few sentences as and when they come to me. Not even a picture is needed. If the topic does not interest people, I have lost nothing because I have not invested great time or effort. If it does interest people, I gain.
I spend 5-10 minutes a few times a day there, either writing or responding to what others have written. That means I am not as prolific as some, who report reaching payout after 4-5 days. I'm just happy to have a few cents to a dollar adding to my account there each day for something that is only one step up from a passive income situation.
I see you found the secret. Disconnet, or simply don't connect at all. I use to connect to almost everybody in the beginning. But, the intelligible drivel got on my nerves. I finally figured out by not connecting or disconnecting to the drivel, the crap does not fill up my notifications box. Now I am following the decent writers, and those coming from HP and other platforms.
I am in hibernation at the moment and waiting to see if autumn brings more traffic. If it doesn't, I'll have to rethink what I am doing. Maybe create a few more blogs and websites for my content.
i'm busy on my own websites, but if I get the urge to write on something outside those niches, I'll certainly stick it on Hubpages.
Yep stopped. If traffic goes up and earnings go up - I'll be back - Down scope.
Yes I have stopped.
I have applied my own QAP test and HP does not pass it.
My QAP has one question. Is there a spammy advert that gains me no income and makes my pages look like a dodgy website - the sole purpose of which is to con the visitor?
It is laughable that they are talking about Amazon Ads which in some cases readers would like a choice and at the same time old floaty is still there.
Until people started complaining about those ads, I did not even notice them. I am the kind of person who automatically switches off the sound during ads on TV, don't even think about it, click, no sound, no brain penetration.
Even now I have to force myself to look for the RS ads when I visit my hubs.
To me this is peccadillo stuff. You have this particular pec or you don't.
I take your point but for me it was the last straw. I had just started being aware of how awful my pages looked. Too many ads and too many links away from me and my content.
The floating thing, and I include the Likes and whatever else it does, are in my opinion annoying noise.
If I am reading a quality article - such as QAP might claim to be about but more particularly in a newspaper for example - the idea of some crappy floating bit of webspam accompanying me down the page...
Well. It's too much.
I agree with you Mark Ewbie about page noise with the ads and such, but I've also noted that all of the national and local online news sites (as well as newspapers online) have all followed the path of HP's ad-overloading around content... in fact our local paper's site is so loaded with top, side, bottom, popup and popover ads that my wife and I barely even visit it anymore for the local news! I keep that frame of reference in mind, and though HP isn't quite as bad I have to wonder how much of my own content is actually read here with all that distraction.
I feel more motivated to write hubs than ever. HubPages has been a really good experience for me. I have confidence that these storms will pass.
If one stops here, then what are the other revenue sharing websites worth opting for: wizzley, seekyt or squidoo or inforbarrel?
I don't see the ads, because I now use an ad blocker when I come onto HP.
I'm writing for InfoBarrel, where they do not "idle" anyone's hard work...but if your work doesn't meed a very easy to achieve score, they never let it become indexed to begin with.
It's a far superior way of doing things, and I assure you a well written page will easily attain the score needed for it to stay indexed forever.
I've tried Infobarrel too, but for some reason I have trouble posting things on there. They seem more open to writer's who write longer pieces on topics where they have a lot of knowledge.
Thanks to you and Wesman re infobarrel. I constantly update my articles but there is someone in the HP team who seems to think their abilities are superior to mine and persist in taking them off line for little or no excuse. I am becoming acutely irritated by this and am considering removing all of my hubs and moving elsewhere.
Kind regards Peter
I sure know how that feels.
What I HATE about Hubpages is the callous way they email you without ever telling you who the heck you're talking to.
It's damned hard to get anyone to tell you EXACTLY what the problem is with a particular page....I used to forever get all these exceedingly vague messages about something being un-published....and it would take three or four e-mails back to them to get a decent response as to why.
I always got the impression that 1. they didn't like me to begin with, whoever they are, and 2. I'm just not important, and my hard work wasn't important either.
Over the past year the content on my site is doing better than my content on Hubpages. Naturally I have been focusing on writing on my site. I suspect that sites that don't have their content on subdomains are attracting more traffic.
You may like it at Infobarrel then. I had some trouble with the site, but the moderators told me IB works better with Google Chrome. The people are nice. They have forums, but people are not allowed to write about controversial topics on them, so there is none of that nastiness we get here at HP. The top writers seem to write longer and well researched pieces, in fact, you have to give sources. So the standard of writing is higher.
They changed over to a different payment system a few months ago, and you also get credit for the pictures you use to illustrate your work. I intended on making them my new "favorite" site and wanted to build up content there, but for some reason have a lot of trouble using it. I've sent screen shots of what I see on my computer to the moderators, Kevin and Ryan, and several times what they see is completely different. They have helped me, but I can't go through that every time I write a piece. I do urge you to try it though, I'm not a very techie person. Wizzley is also good, but it seems people are making money when they build up about 300 pieces, which seems a bit much.
I am not sure about their higher standards... First time I submitted an article was rejected for the fact that I did not capitalize the title. Then I was rejected because I used to document my statements with links in the first paragraphs. The last one is that I posted a story that I decided to serialize because it was too long. So, I got "unlocked points" because of the number of words, however when I came back with the sequel I was denied because the content was not "original", nor seemed to be mine... I have been trying to start a discussion, but so far I did not get too far. I asked the administrator to delete my articles and to delete my membership, however I am still with no reply.
I guess, the public forums will go some sort of crazy period before they are going to settle down.
My opinion is that they are too many, and when you have too many choices, and you have to write original stories, it is always difficult to get follow-ups.
I never had problems with my hubs. I deleted a lot of them and I kept only those which were featured. So far all of them are featured. So this month I will be rich, I made so far $.001...
I noticed that one of my hubs has the ads disabled. I suppose that the topic is touchy. Some people can't take sarcasm, which is OK.
After all I suppose that the free market is at work... There are a lot of good writers and those that don't get too much traffic are probably not worth reading... I may be one of them, however I am stubborn, and still try...
One other thing. I have the feeling that a lot of people like followers, however they are too busy to follow others, and to see new idea. So sooner or later, the followers lose interest in those suffering of Narcissism and give up...
Thanks for the info on Infobarrel. I wrote a short 750 word article with 4 photos relating to the piece., just to try it out. I agree with you, for a technophobe like me I found the site hard work and the photos have yet to appear with the article - but eventually I'm sure I will figure it out. I will try a couple more 2000 word pieces I have in mind before I shut down my HP account (if I do)
This business of criticising hubs on the basis of style I do not understand. I created and gradually improved my writing style from the age of 4 and my style is what I am. I have written many millions of words and lectured all over the world and am rather miffed that some faceless person feels able to tell me how to write. As a scientist perhaps my style is not flowery or full of words or phrases that appeal to search engines but I always though the idea was to convey the subject whether it be poetry or the end of the world.
You can add to that, that I have no idea what they are talking about in their complaints about style etc.
Kind regards Peter
If you decide to try Infobarrel again, try doing it with a shorter article, maybe 1500 words max. That's a good length (though many writers there write10 page pieces) and will help give you a feel for it without being overwhelming. I write about metaphysical subjects, and certain sites are more receptive to that than others. I always wanted to write and believe I am a good writer, the money was secondary. I've had everyone give me "advice" about shortening all my hubs, but I have two whole series of hubs that are around 3,000 words EACH, and they were always my most popular, that 20% everyone talks about. So everyone is not an expert. If you know your field (which I do) people who want to study a topic in more depth will read your work, which it appears they did before this plunge. Different things work for different people.
Just play around with IB, if you choose a picture you need the whole caption of wherever it came from. As I said, I had trouble with the site, but have not ruled it out yet. The people are nice, and they write often. The moderators do answer your questions, but are a bit slow about it. Best wishes.
Jean: Could you please explain to me how the views thing works on blogger? I am showing almost 1000 views but I have no idea where they are coming from as the numbers I see simply don't match up. I know I couldn't possibly have that many because the blog is so new. Help please?
It counts your own if you don't turn them off. And there are spam sites which give you fake views in the hope you visit them.
Blogger is pretty good for views though.
WryLilt I did turn off my own, but when I check the stats page, it only shows about 20 -30 views daily, but the number at the top shows over 900...and I only have 20 articles and do very little advertising because the site is not yet monetized the way I want it to be.
I am not familiar with Blogger anymore. I had a blog on an older version of Blogger, but it changed and got harder for me. Then I had help with my new blog, and it's on Weebly.com (which I do not recommend). It has too many glitches. I'm considering trying Blogger or perhaps a new blog someplace else, I'm just not that motivated.
If you are asking about views on Infobarrel, because that's what we spoke of in the past, go on your Content page. It's one of those pages in there, and you can see how many people read each piece of your writing. I only write 2 or 3 things on there occasionally when I'm bored, so just got over the 1,000 views mark.
Oh, sorry TimeTraveler2,
I thought that question was from Peter. I also don't understand how I got over a thousand views on IB, as I write something now and then and ignore it. WryLilt is probably correct, she is knows a lot about online writing and sites. I doubt that I check it enough to have affected my views with my own checking. The two moderators on IB are nice, they normally get back if you have a question. Kevin or Ryan.
If you opened a Google Analytics account, you simply go there and acquire a new number for your new domain or blog.
Then you add that reference number as an html code to your site.
Then you can check anytime where all your views came from, as well as how the viewers found your post etc.
I am not sure about Infobarrel as far as money. I was never good at Ad sense or SEO practices. When I was a newbie and asked people on HP for advice, I always did worse. I changed all my stuff back to my original titles and did better. So I ended up getting more views writing my longer articles and not worrying about SEO so much. Now it doesn't matter, you can think of a subject or title, and just start typing it in, and see what comes up on Google. Is it a topic covered enough, or too much? Of kind of middle of the road? Astrology and metaphysical topics are totally oversaturated, but I've had so much experience, I began studying when I was 10. So I know a lot more about it than many people who have slicker sites than mine. You need a title that stands out.
Since it appears nobody clicks on the ads anymore, it's getting kind of obsolete. That could be because people view Astrology as more of a self help thing. But look at one of your own hubs, one you know got thousands of views. I bet many only have a few thumbs up or down, or "awesome" or "interesting" clicked. That doesn't matter on HP, as long as somebody views your page, it's considered they saw your ads.
I decided to make IB my second site because although many of the people at Wizzley.com are ex-hubbers, my topics didn't get much attention there, though I do have a 100 score (another meaningless thing). Infobarrel has been experimenting with a payout system similar to the one at HP, so that's why I went there. I have the obligatory 10 pieces. But when they changed over to the new way, I had a lot of trouble posting on there, it got more complicated. Since my blog doesn't do well lately, and I just have 2 more pieces I want to finish up here, I'm giving IB another chance. It seems a handful of people are the most successful, something you will see on any writer's site. They have some very good writers there. What attracted me was the fact that many of them write in a longer style, like I do, it takes me longer to express my thoughts. Plus they ask for sources where you got your info, and you don't see spun articles and junk like we see here.
So I do think Infobarrel has some potential. It doesn't have as many people on it as here, but with the changes they made that could improve. Wizzley is a nice site too, your topics may do better there. The people are nice, and the most oversaturated subjects are not even allowed. Many people write at both HP and Wizzley. As much as I liked it, I wasn't getting much attention, though I've learned more since then. If HP continues to stay this bad, I would also put some articles on Wizzley. They do have other ways to make money, Allposters has really nice posters you can get framed, and they have other things. It's just a matter of getting used to another site, but it's not hard to navigate. I hope this helps.
Hi jGaunt, I wrote content in my own site and blog for years and it was so successful there, thousands and tens of thousands of hits on single posts, so I figured "why don't I try this on a site that will pay me to do it?" and so far my overall expectations here on HubPages haven't come close to generating 1% of the traffic on each given hub that they would get in my own site... very discouraging...
I absolutely stopped publishing here. I miss HubPages the way it once was. It used to a fantastic platform. Now, well, it's just not. Sad they couldn't leave a good thing alone.
I have not posted any Hubs on HubPages for the past 3 months. But I do comment on interesting hubs, do social media sharing and share my opinion on forums. As of now, improving existing hubs and clearing duplicate content from the web is my priority.
I hadn't written anything on this account for a year but an earlier big spike in traffic motivated me to come back and I enthusiastically churned out several hubs in a row. Alas, the spike was only a mirage and now my subdomain is so on the nose, you'd think there'd been a nuclear spill.
Things had changed since my absence. I felt a bit aggrieved by the unfeatured hub penalty for the low views and annoyed by the fact that 'quality' was at least partly judged by bells and whistles - eg; polls, videos, quizzes but, rightly or wrongly, the the thing that has really unmotivates me is the Editors Choice development. The way I'm reading this, non-ED hubs will be cast adrift from the main game.I feel if our hubs pass the QAP thingy, we should all be given the option to attach them to the main domain. This two-tiered system is a morale crusher.
As I thought starting out and hoped would not be true and as someone who has had several businesses and worked for others: unless you own the platform or you own the company expect nothing. You have no control
I gotta admit...I had hopes though and had just figured "it" out when things started to be hit by Google.
I just don't care anymore about writing hubs. Too demoralizing.
I noticed they took off the profiles of the winners who showed up on the first page of Hubpages who had done really well....esp that lady with the bazillions of kids who wrote about home-maker things.
I wrote a hub!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! First in a very long time...
Just to see what would happen! I also used it to link 15 other hubs as a bit of an experiment... now just going to sit back and see what it does...
Tum te tum............
I'm preparing to write a stack more on other accounts that I've neglected.
I've not written a hub for a while. It wasn't a conscious decision, there just isn't much motivation. Currently having a go on Bubblews, at least you can reach payout quickly there. My latest notification email for HP had four entries, which shows how little activity there is at the moment.
I'm writing more hubs because my Google traffic is up 300 moving to 400 percent here. Yep. I'm happy with QAP and with the new Panda. All of my hubs are featured, and I'm making money. I like the layout look of Hubpages and have found the staff helpful.
I'd think rather than complain and leave, authors would want to figure out how to fix their work to make the cash. It obviously can be done. JMO though. I know a lot of people would rather complain.
THAT'S the attitude to HAVE. I'M with YOU on this! I am GOING to continue to support HubPages and write EVEN MORE hubs. THAT'S the SPIRIT! However, in the INTERIM, I am going to take from a week to two weeks off from HubPages. HubPages is STILL a WONDERFUL place to BE and to WRITE.
Yeah I've been here nearly 4 years, and have 500,000 views on the hubs I've left here, and have removed as many as are here.
Talk to me when you are where I am, partner.
I think that may be the issue. My account is NOT Google based. My traffic comes mainly from social media. I'm seeing a shift from Google to SM, and a lot of the older accounts aren't making that shift. I get a SM bump every week of anywhere from 300 - 20,000 views just by posting on my niche fanpage on FB. At the same time, my Google has gone up almost 400 percent. If yours isn't, then you need to revisit, revamp and use SM. It's about keeping your account fresh. It's not about having been here longer...
I don't think of traffic from social media as being nearly so valuable as search engine traffic. If you can continue to get big traffic from social media, then three cheers for you...but I believe you'll find social media to be very fickle, and the traffic from it to be rather capricious.
Same here, although I'm mostly Google-based.
Now you've decided to run off with the 'Chosen Ones' to spend our inheritance can you stop bugging us about our rooms.
To be honest, I think we are shooting ourselves in the foot. so to speak. I took a look at where my traffic was coming from, and I usually get a few hundred from Google etc, but a lot of readers are our own hubbers. Since Bubblews has arrived my hubpage readers has gone down. We need to get back to supporting each other by reading all our followers hubs like we used to. No good moaning that we are losing traffic and then ignoring each other, I may be wrong, but I will try to keep on reading here.
I've stayed active here,but I've been through Google's grumpiness against us about 4 times now counting this time. Hubpages has always pulled us out of this, for me anyways. The entire process is wearing me down though. I haven't been writing new hubs. I just can't make myself do it even.
When I started Hubpages it was with the thought of a residual income. You just can't do that anymore. I agree that we are only hurting ourselves by not writing new content, but I just can't motivate myself to do it right now.
Nell Rose. I have so much respect and admiration for you. Thank you for your view on this subject. I'm not giving up on HP. I have some Hubs that are truly "evergreen" and I get good traffic from them. I'm still just watching to see if Bubblews survives. They just sound "too good to be true".
Yes, we do need to support each other here on HP!
I agree with you Nell Rose. We complain about the lack of traffic, and yet we reduce our own traffic by not participating in reading other people's hubs. We also stop writing new hubs, which we know will cause Google to lose faith in us for not having fresh content.
We don't want to waste our time, but unless we do spend the time to read hubs and write them, we will surely lose the site. We must all decide together to continue to uplift the site.
Unfortunately, until the related search ads go away, I have no motivation to spend a lot of time here. I think they, by themselves, are weighing down the ship and it is sinking.
The problem is that those of us who do not participate in the HubPages Ad program have no use for Hubber traffic. Not that it's not nice that Hubbers read....because it is. However, the only traffic that is important to me comes in the form of people who are likely to click on my ads or order from Amazon. Since this is no longer happening, I simply don't have much reason to produce on this site. I've already deleted most of the work from my other profiles, and I'm slowly moving everything off this one. It's sad, because I really did like this platform, but there is no reason to keep anything here anymore.
If we don't participate in the HP Ad program, and use Adsense only, do those annoying related searches still appear?
Darn, I thought I had found a workaround.
I wonder how people with just adsense are fairing?
For the moment, yes, I have stopped because perfectly good hubs keep getting idled and I don't intend spending all day tweaking them in the hope they will be featured again! I am very disappointed with how this site has become.
Historically, traffic has risen and fallen on this site, in pretty dramatic fashion. It looks pretty bleak right now, but the site could turn the corner in a month or two.
I've been here for over 5 years and its never been this bad...I'm very disappointed.
Hope Springs Eternal and we all get wet. Then the sun comes out!
I'll state again for any readers who've come to this forum thread, and are annoyed by the very annoying idling of hubs, or the way the staff at Hubpages.com refuses to treat any save their very political favorites as comperable Homo sapiens.
Write for InfoBarrel instead of Hubpages, that is what I'm doing now, and at InfoBarrel, there will not come a day where your hard work is de-indexed for having had low traffic as of late; all one must do is reach a very reachable score, and the page will NEVER be idled.
All righty. Bluntness ahead, so beware!!!
If your hubs are idled, something is wrong with them. If they pass QAP, then they should still be featured. If they aren't then they're low quality. It's rather simple actually. I know it's hard to admit your work isn't passing muster, but that's not Hubpages problem.
All of the hubs I've ever written are featured and have remained featured since they linked the length a hub stays featured to hubber score.
If quality writing is your goal - and it should be the goal of all writers - then fix your stuff and quit complaining!! If it's not your goal, then yes, go to a platform that allows mediocre work.
I'm getting tired of the griping with no action.
Happy for you, agilitymach. Sincerly glad you're doing well and that the planets are lining up for you. But . . . . . . Careful not to unintentionally insult your fellow hubbers. Remember community etiquette. Cool beans? Cool.
Sorry, that's wrong. Hubs can be idled for low traffic. You can write a 3,000 word, amazing hub on weightloss but if no one visits it will get idled. Which it will, because weightloss is a saturated topic.
Thing is, while it might not last forever and I totally understand, I've had hubs that have gotten little or ZERO traffic, for over a year now, that remain featured. Once they become unfeatured I'll remove them, but it's not happening. I'm thinking maybe the rank in Google has something to do with it? Sometimes people simply aren't searching for my subject but if they ever stat doing so, these hubs should thrive. I do always put an effort into creating content that his no more than 2 similar articles, most of them little or no competition. However, they consistently get zeros everyday. Doesn't get much lower than that. They are still featured. I had one that fluctuated, was unfeatured but then it came back. It picked up some more views later when the subject took off.
It must be wonderful living in your little black and white bubble.
OK, here is one my unfeatured hubs - http://izzym.hubpages.com/hub/How-to-Wire-a-UK-Plug
It is 'an exclusive title' one.
What is wrong with it?
EXACTLY Izzy friend!
RIDICULOUS to presume a page isn't valuable, and wasn't worked very hard on by someone with professional level writing and web page building skills.
ALL "idled" means is traffic on the page is low, and traffic is not a value judgement for or against a skilled writer, as writing is NOT an internet search popularity based skill.
Izzy, I read your hub, it has all the requirements: text, excellent, descriptive use of photos and media. It was well-researched and coherent in its premise. This hub has elucidated what it set out to do. Something is truly wrong with the powers that be. This hub shouldn't have be idled in the first place. I have seen extremely horrific hubs selected as HOTDs. Yes, inverse logic is in full gear where horrific hubs are selected as HOTDs and good hubs such as yours and other talented writers are idled.
I also have trouble assessing why the administration makes the decisions to idle certain hubs. I have been pretty lucky with mine, but I came here because I wanted to write, making a little money now and then was just a bonus. But I think people should not leap too fast to move idled hubs. It doesn't mean they are substandard. It means for some reason people are not reading them right at that time. In a few weeks, they could be really popular again. It happens to me all the time.
But once you get used to making money, you miss it when it's gone. I also think that all these arbitrary changes are unreasonable, especially for people who have hundreds of hubs. I only have a bit over 130, not a huge amount, but enough to make it annoying to change them all. I think that certain hubs which were written before the particular change comes through should be "Grandfathered," meaning we only have to change the ones written after the change, or hubs we are writing when the change comes about.
Right now I'm changing Amazon capsules to one product, although I have a few hubs where that is ridiculous, and I've left 2 items. Several of my hubs were stolen, so I wrote a message to potential plagiarists in a text capsule at the top of the ones I felt were in danger. I just said stealing other writer's work was against the law, and put my name, a copyright symbol, and the date I published it. The Administration gave me a "tip" that was illegal, and wants me to click "Display." It puts your name and the year you wrote the hub in very light lettering at the bottom of the hub. I believe a message right at the top is more of a deterrent. In the hours it will take to make all these changes, I could be writing more articles. Plus I still am changing pictures that do not show up in the 6 possible "featured" slots on the profile page, and am trying to add new info if there has been any on the hub topic. It's very easy to feel alienated and not motivated to write though.
You should listen to her Izzy. You know, Hubbers who have been here 13 months know much more than those of us who have seen the ups and downs over several years. Of course it is OUR writing. We don't have the right to be irritated. I mean, who cares that we used to make great money. Who cares that we HAD to edit ALL of our Hubs to comply with new Amazon restrictions, and then edit again, and again every time different changes came along; none of which improved revenue. What do we know? Your Hubs have always been some of my favorites, but then again, what do I know? I'm still playing in the sandbox from last year.
Really strange, this hub of mine has been featured for a while despite no traffic, created from my days of not really being familiar with SEO. But yours certainly seems better than it. http://melissaasmith.hubpages.com/hub/e … dlines2012
agilitymach, I am wrestling to keep my mouth quiet since you've only been here 13 months. Once you have been here several years, then you can be more abrupt.
I had over 80 hubs featured... 84 I believe.... every single one, featured.
I'm no Steinbeck, but they were perfectly acceptable. What they didn't have was traffic. I don't post on my FB page because my hubs were usually of a somewhat personal nature. When the change on HP's occurred, the hubs with no traffic slowly became un-featured. Also... lol
I love it when those slap hubbers and say if your hub is not featured, blah, blah, blah it is your fault for having low quality content.
I see more copied and spun hubs from new members being published.
Yesterday, I saw a published hub that contained nothing, and I mean nothing but a title and 2 photos.
Drop in traffic should not cause a hub to be deindexed and unfeatured by HP.
There are still hubs being featured that are written so poorly in grammar as well as punctuation, it is a disgrace and insult to those who do write decent hubs and then get the axe from HP,
But will the article on Info Barrel make money?
Too funny...everyone's comments...looking back I have seen my mother's work on various platforms reach more than 7 thousand dollars a month on average. She wrote about everything and sold quite abit for Amazon all on these Web2.0 platforms. She thought the communities were wonderful and very supporting and she didn't want to learn wordpress. She lost every single account, hub, lens, etc.
If she had taken the 8 hours to learn enough about wordpress, she would have been making more than 10k by now.
Hubpages, and the like, offer a wonderful service and great splits. They have a working business model that must be changed at the whims of Google. After all, you could simply start your own blog on another platform and never worry about someone taking down your content. Stop knocking others down, take control of your own destiny and make things happen for yourself on your own terms. (yes, there is plenty of personal bias in the decisions of those that destroy our work, but it seems to be in vogue now - that the IRS, EPA, Attorney General and every Washington group does it).
good one, i agree with you, its imp. to have control on our work and to work on our own terms
Totally agree. Traffic has dropped everywhere, not only with HP. These sites have gone nuts with rule changes, rules apply to one but not another, etc.
I have started new sites, and new blogs this month that get more traffic than I get from these platforms, WP is a bitch to learn, but I will probably try it again when the snow starts flying and I am snowed it.
Mark Upshaw: I just started a blog on blogger for which I purchased a private domain name. Do you think I can do OK there with views and income? I am keeping it to one niche, part of which I have here on HP and am still learning. I'm not "techhie" enough to learn Wordpress, so I chose this option instead. Do you think it will work?
Mark Upshaw: I almost had a coronary when I read SEVEN THOUSAND dollars. And in a MONTH? If this is possible, could you please, please, please write a hub telling us how. I earn an average of $3.50 a month, I'd say. When it's that small why bother with the math? So what is the secret? Were they all "how to" articles. Did your mother have a name established before writing? Were they all "how to" and "Five Ways To..." What did you mean "she lost every single account"? Is it possible to view her articles now? Are your article on Hub pages performing in the same manner or is it the fact that she started when there were few bloggers on the web? I simply had no idea a person could earn even 1/100th of 7 thousand. I'm too old to be able to face my old profession again and always want to write, so being able to know how do it for more than $3.50 would be helpful! Cheers, Billie
Oops, please ignore all the errors. I was in shock with the amount still ringing through my head writing that reply
I wondered the same thing when I read $7000! How is that possible with writing sites?
I made almost $30,000 here on hubpages alone in 2010.
http://mark-knowles.hubpages.com/hub/be … ney-online
Then things changed in 2011. Wish I had made more hay while the sun was shining.
Quite a few people were making thousands of dollars a month when I came here at the very end of 2010. I had 50 hubs when Panda hit, was just beginning to make a little money, and it's never been the same. Most of them left, and a few of them kept about 75 hubs here, and moved all the others. Before this last summer, I was making about $100.00 a month, but the rules kept changing. Then I began my blog and writing the necessary articles on other sites, so I'd have things more diversified. I came back here in early summer 2013, but although I've been writing in hopes things will pick up in Autumn, I have doubts, so am still considering what pieces I wrote can go where. I don't think things will ever get to where they were. Back then a person could write a piece, and post the same one on as many sites as they wanted. The no duplicate content rule changed all that, which I think is the main reason they made so much. I'm not saying they aren't quality writers, many of them are. Online writing is different than regular writing, and I've had a lot of trouble with that, though my subjects draw interest.
Wow--just read that hub! The Glory Days! I wish I had written here then. Do you think there's any possibility that HubPages and its writers will be as successful as they used to be?
I agree that no way, but I was doing alright after that for awhile.
This is what I am afraid is happening....When I joined 5 years ago, there was little on the web about the topics I specialized in. My articles ranked quickly in the first or second page and got loads of views. Now, in the last recent years, the web is flooded with bloggers and Google needs to sort through thousands and thousands of articles to recognize which are worthy of staying on the first pages. I think things will get worse, not better as time goes by, and Google will become more and more stringent as to what will be considered an article that should rank high. The competition is fierce and it's hard to keep up. Even when you write an article about something you believe little was written about in the past, a year or two later others will write about it too and since Google seems attracted to fresh content now, they will outrank you quickly. Perhaps in the new future something new and different will replace Google. With social media, I have noticed things can go viral fast, and I had articles with thousands of likes, but then things get old after awhile. Just my 2 cents.
Interesting, alexadry. Sad, too. So what do we do?
Not sure what we can do, as we can't predict the future. Mine is just an assumption though, so there may be more going on. I'm just thinking about all these new websites, new blogs, etc produced in all these days, weeks, months and years and how Google can handle all of this and get some sort of order. I imagine it like the game Tetris, where an overwhelming amount of puzzle pieces fall down each day and at some point everything needs to be reordered before it all collapses. I think all these pandas, penguins pests popped up to re-order things and create new standards of what is assumed to be valuable. Question is, how can we keep up and is it worth it? Will it work? What can we do? I wished Google had the answer. It seems like we are in Google's hands.
Thanks for the butt-kick. I finished a half written piece today.
As one of your avid readers Peter Geekie
I always find your work captivating, interesting and incredibly well researched. Your style is a credit to you and certainly not in need of any amendment.
Thank you my friends. No seriously, thanks, because I held myself up to ridicule which may yet happen.
We have a new breed of know-it-all hubbers. All I can say is 'good luck to them'..
Actually, what is really wrong with this hub is that is was out-classed by heavier and stronger sites.
Well out-classed, actually, but I wrote it when the 'exclusive titles' thingy was new, and we didn't know they were destined to the rubbish bin even before they were written.
There is a lesson here to be learned by everyone.
Write about what you know, by all means, but check the competition first.
Unless you are miles better, forget it.
BTW, I needed no research on this hub, I know how to wire a UK plug. Photos are my own, but I may have omitted to tell the world, My bad!
I have pretty much stopped writing new hubs. And I've been moving hubs which are connected to my own website over there. 2 of them had a page rank of 2, which is pretty good so I was hesitant to move them for a long time and lose that. But I've taken the chance and hoping they will get the traffic on my own website that they once did here.
I'll keep all the random stuff here ticking over because it has no other home to go to. And once in a while I might write a new random.
Interestingly just a couple days after I moved a third of my hubs, I got an editor's choice award. That was nice.
No, if there is something wrong, you should stand by those in Good times and Not leave them. This is not the first time that Google's monopoly in Online Trade has hit. It has been biting everyones since long. Though tough times never last, tough people do!
I just had three new engagement issues. It would be good if HP put a delete button next to that stupid indicator. As it was I have to edit the hub, unpublish the hub, delete the hub. Takes up valuable Bubblews time.
The problem with this site is not my writing or drawings. It is crap like related ads and too many links.
You flag it - its gone. Thanks so much.
I'm going to write a few more and see what happens.
I feel guilty as you said I brought you to Hubpages.
On the other hand, you didn't sign up using my referral link ,..... so long sucker
Hey Earner - I will ALWAYS be grateful for your suggestion and for the learning experience, and the friends and laughs at HubPages. It is rough at the moment, it may be finished - or we may all be writing Hubs again in a few months time.
Been on here a long time, but even mine has dropped with over 2000 hubs, have to just take them down and start over or something. Is kind of troublesome when changes come along to fix all of them.
Hattie, You've have a lot of hubs for 2 years. I congratulate you on your accomplishment.
I'm not writing any more.
But at the rate HP is deciding that Hubs that have been here for three years or more are suddenly bad...I'm staying busy fixing the old ones.
So I guess it kinda works out.
I am wondering if, to keep content always fresh, we need to be continually revising and updating our hubs, much as writers on Squidoo have always had to do. Whether or not I add a lot more content, I think I need to do this, but slowly, one or two a day at the most.
I've slacked off a bit, only because I've been very busy. Guess I'll start back up again, but just to refresh the Hubs I already wrote.
I have only AdSense on my blog, and it's pitiful. I make about 3 cents a day. I've paid for the domain name for a year, but may let the blog stand if they will keep it up. I have things people can order on it, and a decent amount of readers. But you need thousands, and that's hard to do on a blog where it's just you.
I plan to keep at it. I have lost more than half of my views which wasn't nearly as much as some to begin with but it was some nice extra change in my pocket. I finally have time now where I could actually write two hubs a day. I was super excited about it until my numbers kept going down. You end up feeling like what's the point. If there's no chance of people even seeing and learning from your hubs you might as well not put all my energy and time into it. You could be spending that time learning how to dance or paint. That's what it feels like anyway. So I'm thinking of at least writing 3 hubs a week just to keep in the habit of writing and the extra free time I'll have will be for self-improving. ;-)
After today, yes. I'm not doing another Hub until they figure out what they want. They keep changing the rules. I'm seeing Hubs that were up for months suddenly become overly promotional. Too many rules puts a damper on creativity. I'm on hold until Hub Pages figures out what kind of Hub and Hubbers they want.
They want you to continually learn and apply all the new rules ..... while engaging proactively within the community, promoting all your work elsewhere across the Internet..... and just in case you thought you could fit in a sneaky kip for an hour a day ..... they also want NEW exciting content, with fresh/original photos of high resolution.
Then faceless people will "judge" you ..... and it won't be nice.
Like agilitymach says then fix your stuff and quit complaining!! More and more of my hubs are unfeatured because of traffic. Most are recipes there is no way to fix them so I guess I will just remove them. What's the use if all my hubs are unfeatured which I think is coming than I may as well not be here. Whether agilitymach likes it or not I am complaining. I have that right to do that just like all of you do.
I found a published hub this morning that consisted of nothing but 2 photos.
If it were a picture of an 4rse and an elbow ... maybe it's a cryptic message.
I've noticed a lot of spun stuff or hubs as LindaSmith1 describes. Flagging them doesn't seem to do anything. So it is really discouraging to people who are researching and trying hard to write good pieces. I still am holding out hope for the Fall, I see my traffic picking up a tiny bit, and college kids are returning to campus now, that usually gets my traffic moving.
I have given up in disgust. As well as getting nil views on hubs, HP have degraded my hubber score by many points. I wrote a number of my hubs on the basis of a PhD and over three decades of professional experience, during which my writing ability was always praised above all else. The fact that ill-educated and ignorant denizens of the USA are reducing my "quality score" is an insult. I hope Hubpages fails sooner than later.
I have been concentrating on my web sites. I think it has been almost a year since I wrote a new article. I do, try to maintain the ones I have.
Never put all your eggs in one basket! Look for other opportunities to earn as a writer.
Here's a big question for everybody: HP knows it got slapped by Google and is trying to mend its fences. I thought they would understand about low performing hubs that performed well in the past and "let them go" until they found a fix. Now I'm hearing that they're dumping the low performers. Why would they do that?
I write some here. My hubs about Bubblews have gotten lots of traffic. LOL! I have always been one to revise hubs on a continual basis, and most of my hubs are featured. That doesn't seem to matter much though, traffic-wise. Sigh . . . . I hope HP bounces back.
Hi Victoria, it's me again, your problem child to take to raise lol. Okay, I went under Title Tuner, and some of my hubs were there, but not all, so does that mean, they are suggesting the titles to those hubs be tweaked? The one that I was going to tweak a bit with the title is not showing under Title Tuner, do I cut and paste the title in there or does that mean, it does not need tweaking? Send me your bill : ) Thanks for your help once again.
If I understand correctly TimeTraveler: The numbers at the top are total views for all hubs. The other ones are for each hub for today, past 7 days etc.
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