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   riotgrrrlposted 14 years ago

   This is the biggest waste of your time you will ever discover.

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      compu-smartposted 14 years agoin reply to this

      Hiya Riot Girl,
      
      Just a reminder (the 3rd reminder btw and last!!!)  that the links on your profile page do not work!!!  Maybe the links you have placed in all your hubs do not work either!!! I would check them over!!..
      
      

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      Ryan Hupferposted 14 years agoin reply to this

      Hey riotgrrrl -- it sounds like you're beyond frustrated and I'd love to try to help you out if I can in any way. I'll shoot you an email and see what we can come up with, OK?
      
      Chat with you soon --

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         accofrancoposted 14 years agoin reply to this

           Dear sir,what about me? You abandoned me in the middle of nowhere.Great job by you,so passionate and responsive.Mmmmmm mmmmmm

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   Whitney05posted 14 years ago

   What exactly is the problem?

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   WHoArtNowposted 14 years ago

   Lol, makes little sense...
   
   Should there be a link or is she referring to HubPages?

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   multimasteryposted 14 years ago

   Beats me

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   seamistposted 14 years ago

   I imagine she is talking about the earnings as I sometimes feel the same way. However, when I feel that way, I keep telling myself I have to give it a chance. From what I've read on the forums, it seems like with some hubbers at least, the earnings start picking  up after the first adsense payout. However, I think for alot of people, it's hard being patient. That's probably why 95% of blogs fail, although I realize HP is not a blog but more like an article-writing site.

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   TornFaerieposted 14 years ago

   No she's pretty much right.
   With all the extra garbage you have to sign up to just to get this hubpages to work for you, it's a huge waste of time.
   I imagine however, that if you do nothing but sit at home all day and write 'articles' it'd pay out.
   I only spotted this when I was going through stuff trying to close my account lol.

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   Mishaposted 14 years ago

   LOL I guess girls did not get paid right away

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      Mark Knowlesposted 14 years agoin reply to this

      Do you think it is worth telling them you have to do some actual work?

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         Mishaposted 14 years agoin reply to this

         To be fair I think they tried - at least riotgirl, I remember her asking good questions here. Looks like something went wrong...

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            darksideposted 14 years agoin reply to this

            riotgirl got stuck into it, though I didn't realise that she'd been missing for two months.
            
            Looks like she went hard for the first month, publishing a hub every second day, then nothing for two weeks. Posted this thread. Then gone.
            
            I didn't notice when this thread was first posted 6 weeks ago.

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   gamergirlposted 14 years ago

   I think I'm going to write an open letter to the disgruntled Hubpages users who've not made billions of dollars in less than 30 days.

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      Rochelle Frankposted 14 years agoin reply to this

      I think that is a grand idea, gamegirl!
      As far as I have sen, it can easily take almost a year to get that monetary encouragement-- and that's for people that ARE working at it.

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      mythbusterposted 14 years agoin reply to this

      Ah, but then will you please make a comedy hub here, outlining the best replies you receive for your efforts? lol

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   RKHenryposted 14 years ago

   My position here on hubpages is apparently different than most others.  I see hubpages as a great opportunity to help me in my own writing skills.  I also enjoy what others have to say and what many hubbers write about.  It is how I grade myself.  I came into this community with little intentions of making money.  Am I wrong in thinking this way?  Am I wasting other hubbers time by being a hubber myself?  Truthfully, I didn't think any money could be made on hubpages.  And if anyone has made money off it, it's because they were here in the beginning.  Is that wrong?

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      sheenarobinsposted 14 years agoin reply to this

      Amen.

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    Mishaposted 14 years ago

    LOL I think you are right on RK, and most of us here just enjoy the company
    
    Yet making a few extra bucks never hurts of course and is available to everybody, but some people tend to take it way too seriously

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       RKHenryposted 14 years agoin reply to this

       Thanks.  I absolutely agree. 
       
       I imagine trying to make big money on hubpages would be a 24 hr job.  That takes years of dedication.  Fast money only comes to lucky few.  They be better off playing the lottery. 
       But if someone is interested in making some extra change, I can see how this would be an effective tool.  Just the same- someone who starts a part-time job doesn't get pay the first day.  It usually takes 14 to 30 days.

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    BristolBoyposted 14 years ago

    I have started on hubpages only very recently and have started to notice an increase in my adsense earnings, but even so my total earings so far are less than what I could earn in half an hour!  Never going to be a big enough earner to be a job, but I class it more like a hobby.  Plus it is a great break from working on my dissertation.

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       anjalichughposted 14 years agoin reply to this

       Even I take it as a hobby. That way it doesn't hurt when I see my adsense earnings as low as 1 - 8 cents a day. lol

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    lawrettaposted 14 years ago

    Hi people, am just so glad to be a part of you all. Happy hubbing

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    terrygposted 14 years ago

    I too agree.
    
    Hubpages is a waste of time and it is a poor performer when compared to other networks.
    
    I am shutting down my hubs and transferring them all to Bukisa where I am actually making money.
    
    Putting quite some effort into Hubpages has returned little reward. Whereas on other sites the reward is more immediate and greater.

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       Mishaposted 14 years agoin reply to this

       Ummm, went and check it up. Currently they promise $3.7 CPM. For the month of March my HP eCPM (not counting amazon and ebay) is a bit higher than $7. Does not work for me, sorry

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          terrygposted 14 years agoin reply to this

          That's fine, but most hubbers do not even have a eCPM.

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             BristolBoyposted 14 years agoin reply to this

             What do you mean by this?  As in the Adsense eCPM?  If so I do and I have just started.

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          Lissieposted 14 years agoin reply to this

          
          
          Also don't see anyway to add anchored links from your articles - useless for me!

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             terrygposted 14 years agoin reply to this

             That's really not correct. You can actually. Here is an example of the anchored links I put in this article http://www.bukisa.com/articles/34833_ha … r-forty-40

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    gamergirlposted 14 years ago

    It's really bad form to advertise a competing site on the forums.

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    JYOTI KOTHARIposted 14 years ago

    It is some how confusing. hubpages promises at one place that it pays for page impressions and at another place it says pay per click.
    as i know, adsense pay per click only and Amzon and Ebay pay only a real sales occur.
    Please put some light into the matter. May Pauldeed come forward to help the hubbers.
    Jyoti Kothari

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    Herald Dailyposted 14 years ago

    Being new here, I hope I'm not intruding by piping in.  I just wanted to say that what struck me while reading the posts in this thread is the fact that some people are looking at HubPages strictly as an income generator (without taking the writing or community into consideration).  That's fine, I imagine, but then isn't it like a business for the authors rather than a creative outlet?  Any business takes work, dedication and time to build up.  I know I certainly don't expect to get rich here and that's okay with me. 
    
    Before I signed up, I came to the site often and liked the layouts of the articles and how friendly everyone seems to be.  Also, I get the impression that HubPages prefers a certain standard of writing, which I plan on working on for my own account.  Having only made one hub so far, I have to say that I really like how easy it is.
    
    Anyway, like I said, I hope it's okay for me to jump in here.

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    Marisa Wrightposted 14 years ago

    I don't agree that HubPages is worse than other networks.  I think it's just lack of patience.
    
    I've had a few people come over from Helium and join, then leave again. They can't be bothered with the rigmarole of signing up for Adsense, eBay and Amazon.  They just want to write, not muck around adding photos and making it look pretty.  And when they've earned nothing after three or four months, they disappear.
    
    It's a pity, because I've found the initial "pain" (if you can really call it that) was more than worth it.  I've earned twice the income with a quarter the number of articles, and the rate of earning just keeps on building.  Sure, it's not a fortune (do I really expect to earn a fortune with 70 articles???) but I reckon it's a good return on investment.

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    britneydavidsonposted 14 years ago

    reallly great discussion is going on here....glad to know that every one is really egger to earn lots from hubpages which is impossible.i agree that compare to others hubpages is crap,but still its fun.i alwaz enjoy hubbing and all.sometimes get really good information from here which helps lot in real world. to be very honest it is really a good experience with hubpages. and thanx to all hubbers for their really great response and support...specially i will thanx to misha as i have found him really active hubber. and really suprised that apart from all this RG dint reply ones about her problem and hubbers had really good fun with their assumption and thoughts....really enjoyed

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       Marisa Wrightposted 14 years agoin reply to this

       Compared to which others?  I have looked into quite a few alternative sites and have yet to find any which offered genuine returns better than HP for writing (unless you're talking about writing freelance which is a totally different thing).

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          britneydavidsonposted 14 years agoin reply to this

          yes marisa i am agree with you about HP but i dont have much idea about it...just the thing i am not happy about its scoring functionality...i agree its right its place but flactuates lots...apart from that everything is perfect and i am more concern about it thats why bit upset..and recently i am facing this problem as my score has dropped down to 69 from 87 in a week that is really too much.... feel bad when you put so much efforts and dont get result...my main concern is dofollow links...and it has become nofollow now...and thing is i dont know whats the problem otherwise would love to work on it....if you have any suggetion for me its you are wel cum...thanx anyway

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    Dame Scribeposted 14 years ago

    I thought eCPM was just for advertiser test purposes just a method to guage possibilities of clicks

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    darksideposted 14 years ago

    It is pay per click but it has been explained that X amount of clicks per X amount of pageviews on average as a guide to what can be expected.

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    Rik Ravadoposted 14 years ago

    I'm with Marisa - HubPages certainly isn't 'crap'.  Its an excellent platform for learning about SEO and monitorising article writing.  If you think its rubbish then provide comparative statistics with other sites to back up your argument.
    
    Like Marisa, my earnings are steadily increasing and I'm learning lots.  I don't expect to make a fortune from it but HubPages is a real income stream which seems to be holding up well in time of recession.  I love writing and if I can make a little cash from it then I'm really happy.
    
    I know its an old clique but 'Content is King'.  If you're not a writer then don't expect to get rich here...

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       gamergirlposted 14 years agoin reply to this

       Hear Hear!.... or is it here here? 
       
       I love Hubpages, and my earnings have been increasing in the past six months, while my day job hangs in the balance and school loan companies loom over my head.  I love this site!

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          compu-smartposted 14 years agoin reply to this

          Hear hear too!!
          
          I have used many other platforms to write and I prefer and love hubpages all round!! Im no SEO expert either, and i get up-to 2000 visits to my PC hubs per week! from outside hubpages and that's awesome - very poor compared to many other hubbers.
          
          I made this hub which does exactly what it says which will help.
          
          Top Hubs Recommended by Hubpages To Help Build & promote Hubs, Get More Traffic & Increase Earnings!
          
          If anyone knows of any other new hubs with other tips and tools, then please let me know here or via email so I can add to hub.
          
          
          Thanks!
          
          comp

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    sunforgedposted 14 years ago

    Yes, it does stink that your hubscore has dropped enough to make your links nofollow! Do oyu maybe reuse the content from your blog on hubs or link to your own domains to frequently?
    
    Other than loss of dofollow link privileges, I dont see any reason to sweat a hubscore

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    marisuewritesposted 14 years ago

    I love writing at HubPages, but I am still learning how to make money, if possible.  The scoring is strange.  I can write, get good page views and comments, and my score goes down. I don't understand it.  I don't see that for some other hubbers, so I'm trying not to think it's a consipiracy????   LOL
    
    I'm still learning about keywords and their proper use.  I do wonder about those who say they make hundreds and thousands...hmmm  what could I be doing that "wrong?" 
    
    and, why are the links we can add here to our blogs "nofollow??"  that doesn't help much! 
    
    I added news capsules and then they all went down....to ALL my hubs.  No one has explained that to me, yet.
    
    Then, I added Amazon, and Amazon now says I don't have an account, but I have an account number with them - so I'm still trying to work that out. 
    
    I think just limiting our income to google adsense is not going to be much, unless I'm really doing something wrong in that department!!!  Any advice?

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       Rochelle Frankposted 14 years agoin reply to this

       That happens to me too. I was at 99 yesterday but this morning 93. It has been doing that a lot lately, but I guess it's ok if in the 90's somewhere.
       Paul Deeds addressed the newsfeed issue in one of the forums yesterday (problems forum?). They are working on it. I was trying to add them to all of mine, too, because they are the easiest updating links to do.
       Google added 89 cents to my account yesterday. I could get a dollar soon.

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       sunforgedposted 14 years agoin reply to this

       "and, why are the links we can add here to our blogs "nofollow??"  that doesn't help much!  "
       
       They are not nofollow. Unless your hubscore falls below a certain point which you are far above

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    gamergirlposted 14 years ago

    OOooh, good idea Mythbuster!  I'll do that!

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    accofrancoposted 14 years ago

    If u are here to make a living,riotgrrrl is 100% right! Bt if u are here for the love,she might be wrong.True,the task here isn't justified at all.U backlink,u link,u send in forums,u read about getting traffic,u research on what to write,how to make it appear on search engines,u pay 4 electricity bills,internet con. bills etc.Is it not enough after researching and writing a hub and then publish it,is it not enough to get some rest and let the hp webmasters promote our hubs and then we get paid.The stress is much.Just becos i cant get backlinks,huge traffic to my hubs which i knw some are better than most meaningless hubs here,i hardly get up to 10 traffic a day.She mite be right!

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    gamergirlposted 14 years ago

    http://hubpages.com/hub/A-Letter-to-New-Hubbers
    
    Here we go.

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    Nelle Hoxieposted 14 years ago

    After being here just a few short weeks, I'm amazed at how well hubpages rank in the search engines. So I can't really believe its impossible to make money. Although like everything else on the web, it takes an incredible amount of time and tweaking to get it right!
    
    It's also quite addicting. I came here interested in a very narrow travel niche, but all of a sudden my creative juices are starting to flow, and I've been outlining and research another series of hubs in an entirely different category!
    
    I can tell it's going to take some discipline not to go off in too many directions all at once.

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    Ann Smithposted 14 years ago

    I have written over 40 quality articles, and only made $10. It has been beyond discouraging.
    
    It just makes no sense.
    
    I have made well over $1,000 on a different site, and obviously my time goes there now.
    
    I only check hubpages on occasion. Something is 'off' for someone to write quality work, and get paid that little.

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       accofrancoposted 14 years agoin reply to this

         Plz Ann may u kindly recommend this site for me,either here or as a private message,i will forever cherish to have it.Thank u,i am waiting to hear from u Ann Smith.

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       Ryan Hupferposted 14 years agoin reply to this

       Hey Ann -- sending you an email so that I can get your thoughts on HubPages vs. the other sites that you are talking about. You have definitely written some great Hubs, so I'd love to pick your brain a bit if you don't mind. I promise it won't hurt...much.

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    gamergirlposted 14 years ago

    Let's not be openly promoting other sites on Hubpages' forums.  That'd be pretty tacky.
    
    As a side note - Ann, try putting some of your hubs up for critique in the Extreme Hub Makeover section if you haven't already.  Maybe some of the Hubbers around here who have made money and are doing well with Hubpages could give you some tips that way.
    
    As an aside- if you just write Hubs then leave them, obviously they're not going to do as well as you would hope.

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    Ann Smithposted 14 years ago

    Oh, I would not name another site here, of course.
    
    Thanks for the advice, but just not sure that it addresses the real disparity.
    
    It's ridiculous to make only $10 over MONTHS on 40+ articles.
    
    Glad my experience has been much more profitable elsewhere.
    
    And, I have been patient, asked questions, wanted to believe this site would work well, etc.

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       accofrancoposted 14 years agoin reply to this

         I forgot though...hubpages plz don't stone me to death i'm pleading plz? I'm on my knees?

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    sunforgedposted 14 years ago

    I would openly promote all sorts of other hub alternatives, and not consider it tacky if it was a response to a question.
    
    I think this attitude of unspoken rules is tacky. Particularly since there are listed rules, none which would be broken by talking about hub alternatives.
    
    Just off the top of my head
    
    squidoo
    bukisa
    associated content
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    constant content
    demand studios
    the last two arent really like hubpages, but you do get paid to write
    
    boy, do i feel tacky
    
    Personally I think hubpages is the best choice as far as search rankings, transparency and impression shares go...but that certainly wouldnt keep me from openly discussing alternatives and or competitors
    
    
    I do think it is odd that Ann has made so little off her hubs though..I did notice in teh few hubs i looked at, that your google ads werent very relevent and that your amazon ads arent targeted very well - seems like you used very broad keywords (and no eBay?)- but the writing is a very high quality especially in comparison to the norm
    
    eBay performs very well for me here, so that is definitely something you should try to include...esp if you land a couple ACRU's

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    gamergirlposted 14 years ago

    sunforged:  No need for attitude, dude.  I look at it the same as going into, say, a Books-a-Million store and walking around carrying a big sign that says Borders is having a 40% off clearance sale.  It IS tacky.

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       sunforgedposted 14 years agoin reply to this

       It matters whose side your on...theoretically walking around books a million promoting a 40% clearance for a competitor may force books a million to compete and offer a similar offer to its visitors. Since my goal would be to get a book for the cheapest possible price - i would care very little about the impression of "tacky" that i may give off
       
       As a consumer or in this case a freelancer having healthy and open competition is a benefit to us, this requires a unimpeded flow of information
       
       I will once again point out that my informed and researched opinion is that hubs is the frontrunner in the write for impression share game but I am always open to suggestions and opportunities and would prefer if hubs had to stay on their toes (although the level of support is amazing, and Im not sure how much more on the toes it could be)
       
       we are sharecroppers here so im
       not a fan of the "trustee/hall monitor" syndrome...world wide web, wild wild west..

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    gamergirlposted 14 years ago

    I'm sorry that you feel that way about my expressed opinion.
    
    Good day.

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       sunforgedposted 14 years agoin reply to this

       ahh, now i feel like Grandpa Joe to your Wonka

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    Ann Smithposted 14 years ago

    Thanks sunforged. I have no idea why the hubs are performing so poorly. Thankfully, Ryan has reached out to me, and maybe he can make some recommendations.
    
    There are many things I like about HubPages, and I don't want to completely give up on it.

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