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Do you believe in evolution or creation and why? This isn't to judge anyone, jus

  1. gregas profile image83
    gregasposted 20 months ago

    Do you believe in evolution or creation and why? This isn't to judge anyone, just my own curiosity.

    I don't want anyone getting into religious disagreements over this question. I am just curious how other people feel. Personally I believe in evolution.

  2. Tusitala Tom profile image65
    Tusitala Tomposted 20 months ago

    Yes, I'm convinced the world, and everything in it, including people, are evolving.  Evolution makes sense to me.

  3. cheaptrick profile image72
    cheaptrickposted 20 months ago

    There may have been some sort of creation long long ago;it's impossible to say.
    Evolution ceased being a theory and was accepted by scientists long ago(the argument that evolution is"just"a theory is archaic and should be ignored).
    I would argue that evolution is also finished and we have entered Devolution in preparation for our extinction as we develop  trans-humanism and artificial intelligence.The prediction of the singularity of 2050 is a fascinating read.

    1. MizBejabbers profile image92
      MizBejabbersposted 20 months agoin reply to this

      Again, I think this person has the right to enter the discussion. Who are these "negative feedbacks" who keep this comment from being shown? Perhaps Greg needs to screen them for profanity or such?

    2. gregas profile image83
      gregasposted 20 months agoin reply to this

      MizB, I haven't seen anything wrong with any answers or comments. I have only seen the ones that are hid to shorten the line. Nothing wrong as far as I am concerned I am very happy with the answers and comments.to this question. All have been civil.

    3. Misfit Chick profile image72
      Misfit Chickposted 20 months agoin reply to this

      Evolution is both a fact & a theory bcuz we HAVE confirmed that evolution exists; but we haven't actually seen it in action - so, we are 'filling in some blanks'. For instance, there R no 'between' ape/men creatures. Why not? Its a lingering ques

    4. MizBejabbers profile image92
      MizBejabbersposted 20 months agoin reply to this

      I'm glad that is so, Greg. On my screen it said that the comments were hidden due to "negative feedback". Maybe that is a computer glitch.

    5. jackclee lm profile image81
      jackclee lmposted 20 months agoin reply to this

      The singularity is just pure fiction which makes for a good movie. It will never happen. AI is no where near achieving the hype they claim. They have been working on it for 50 years. Robots are real and will be a support for humans not a replacement.

    6. profile image57
      Norine Williamsposted 20 months agoin reply to this

      Just because we have "a spirit" (which u thk is the plurality of GOD) doesn't mean it's "THE SPIRIT!"  One has to obtain the "Mind of Christ" or there wouldn't be those who use theirs ("a spirit") incorrectly e.g. witchcraft, walking on coals, etc!

    7. profile image59
      frumpletonposted 20 months agoin reply to this

      We are the new humans since the flood.  Mankind cannot breed with living offspring as a result with monkeys.  We are separate.  Scientists want to be smarter than god but they aren't

    8. Kiss andTales profile image79
      Kiss andTalesposted 20 months agoin reply to this

      GregS. We know that Jesus also read from the old testament especially from Isaiah 61:2
      Jesus Quotes starting at Luke 4:17-21
      From Isaiah.
      Would we say these are the words of newer translations. No.

    9. profile image57
      Norine Williamsposted 20 months agoin reply to this

      PRECISELY K&T! 
      Isaiah 48:12 GOD SAID "I AM the fist and the last; Rev 1:8;11 JESUS SAID (aka GOD) "I AM the first and the last!" Is48:11 says "NO OTHER GOD"
      So Y your NWT "changed" having u blv JESUS someone else?
      See "spin off" fm "Trinity?"

  4. MizBejabbers profile image92
    MizBejabbersposted 20 months ago

    I believe in evolution. You asked why, which is a reasonable question. My father taught me evolution as a child, and even the science classes in my elementary school in the 1950s supported evolution. My church disagreed, so I used my own judgment to make up my mind. My belief in evolution, however, also supports a creator of all things in the universe, so I believe in what some people call "god" or the "gods". I believe the universal creator left room for all things to evolve, but my father did not. We are not allowed to promote our own hubs here but....

    1. MizBejabbers profile image92
      MizBejabbersposted 20 months agoin reply to this

      My 7th grade science teacher was a devout Christian, and he taught evolution as a part of God's creation. It didn't occur to him, from the Christian standpoint, that the world was only 6 days' old.

    2. jackclee lm profile image81
      jackclee lmposted 20 months agoin reply to this

      Let's not get caught up in the 6 days of creation... A day is defined in modern times as the time the earth makes a complete turn on its axis. Before God created heaven and earth, what is a day?  We know with the Einstein's theory of relativity...

    3. MizBejabbers profile image92
      MizBejabbersposted 20 months agoin reply to this

      I'm not, Jack. I don't believe in the 6 days of creation (creationism) and I was stating that my teacher didn't either.

    4. jackclee lm profile image81
      jackclee lmposted 20 months agoin reply to this

      You are missing my point. People reject creationism because they think it is impossible to create the world in 6 literal days. The science say time and space is relative. In the beginning, there was no "day" to speak of. The story was just that...

    5. Sam Shepards profile image91
      Sam Shepardsposted 20 months agoin reply to this

      The problem with creationism doesn't have that much to do with the days actually... We all know it's more or less symbolism in stories. The problem is people want to place it on the same level as science. I'm ok with what you believe in private...

  5. jackclee lm profile image81
    jackclee lmposted 20 months ago

    I believe in some form of the creation and Intelligent Design theory over evolution. A book I read recently explain it much better than I can. It is called "the Science of God" by Gerald Schroeder. Check it out. It outlines how the creation story of Genisis matches exactly how our universe came to be from a scientific point. It also explains the problem with "time" and resolves how the world could be created in "seven days"...of "God time".

    1. alancaster149 profile image85
      alancaster149posted 20 months agoin reply to this

      Each to his own... Although the idea's quaint in view of established fact

    2. Misfit Chick profile image72
      Misfit Chickposted 20 months agoin reply to this

      Actually, Quantum Physics is 'prooving' more everyday that there is 'intelligence' behind our world; and that WE create our own reality. However you want to think of 'God' - it exists with science to back it up. Atheists & Creationists R both wro

    3. Sam Shepards profile image91
      Sam Shepardsposted 20 months agoin reply to this

      As long as you don't believe that quantum theory and physics is the kind of rubbish like in what the bleep do we know...

    4. Misfit Chick profile image72
      Misfit Chickposted 20 months agoin reply to this

      What the bleep do we know is pretty old; and I would say that it was a beginning. You have a problem with what quantum physics is digging up?

    5. profile image57
      Norine Williamsposted 20 months agoin reply to this

      GOD is LAUGHING @ man & his QM! 
      "For the wisdom of this world is FOOLISHNESS to GOD..." (ICor 3:19)!

  6. alancaster149 profile image85
    alancaster149posted 20 months ago

    Evolution isn't a religion, it's been proven.
    The 'Creation' was an expedient dreamed up thousands of years ago when there were no explanations for what no-one understood. The masses being unable to figure out the 'how', 'what', 'when' and why' of life's mysteries, it was easy to establish god figures to bow down to when things were too much. Priests were self-appointed mediators, later chosen for their 'education' and the hierarchy went upward from there. Latin was the language only understood by churchmen after Christianity blossomed, to get in touch with the 'boss' without anyone suspecting they talked gobbledygook. To perpetuate the 'pyramid' and keep the wealth coming, the Hebrew idea of the Creation was adopted - and adapted - and a tight hold was maintained until the Reformation. The Creation was nevertheless held onto, to keep everyone 'under control'. It didn't do to think for oneself - not yet, anyway. 
    The Age of Reason followed. Suddenly it was the thing to think for oneself. Trouble was, only a few had the time or the inclination - or the money - to do the thinking. They became the new leaders, but they still went to church, just in case.
    The Age of Information rumbled in, technology, computers, games etc. 'Wahey!' We can think for ourselves at last without the Inquisition banging on the door! But do we? Probably more than four-fifths of the world population still has gods to look up to. The Creation hasn't died, it's thinking that 'went south'. Evolution ain't what it was.

    1. gregas profile image83
      gregasposted 20 months agoin reply to this

      I agree, evolution is not a religion. Creation is from the religions.

    2. MizBejabbers profile image92
      MizBejabbersposted 20 months agoin reply to this

      Alan has a very good view of history. Why is this comment hidden because of "negative feedback". Is negative narrow-mindedness the norm on HP nowadays?

    3. Misfit Chick profile image72
      Misfit Chickposted 20 months agoin reply to this

      Honest & direct often gets dinged for being 'offensive'. The only way anyone believes in a diehard '6-day' creation story is if they still have blinders on. Many Christians & other religious folks do accept the scientific reasoning on this is

    4. jackclee lm profile image81
      jackclee lmposted 20 months agoin reply to this

      The 6 days of creation is not literal. When the solar system has not been created on that first day, how do you explain to people what happened? That fist day according to some scientists could be 1 million of our years. Read- The science of God.

    5. Sam Shepards profile image91
      Sam Shepardsposted 20 months agoin reply to this

      Just because you use science in the title of the book doesn't make that nonsense scientific. Only in the US I guess.

    6. Misfit Chick profile image72
      Misfit Chickposted 20 months agoin reply to this

      The existence of 'God' has already been proven, scientifically & otherwise; & Quantum Mechanics is advancing on 'creation'. Everyone should read the opposite of what they believe. It may be the difference between ignorance & cherry-picked

    7. jackclee lm profile image81
      jackclee lmposted 20 months agoin reply to this

      Dr. Scheroder is a physicist. There are plenty of scientist that belief in God. The creation story in the Bible could be compared to a children version of explaining the universe. It is not literal. The basic concept is there and serve its purpose.

    8. profile image57
      Norine Williamsposted 20 months agoin reply to this

      Jack Lee, you are far more advanced than MOST in Spirituality!

    9. Sam Shepards profile image91
      Sam Shepardsposted 20 months agoin reply to this

      I'm not asking what his profession is (false argument from authority), I'm talking about the methodology used to get to conclusions that can hardly be called scientific. Leading it were he wants it to go, fitting the frame...

    10. profile image57
      Norine Williamsposted 20 months agoin reply to this

      "Spiritual" is THE "method!" 
      'Similar' to what the world calls "telekinesis" but BETTER for IT is the POWER of GOD!

    11. bdn9385 profile image70
      bdn9385posted 20 months agoin reply to this

      Even if you kick dogs and cats it's hard for them to establish god figures to bow down to. It is possible gods were there literally mingling and tyrannizing them but you and I cant prove it. Perhaps it would help to ask some conspiracy experts.

  7. Brie Hoffman profile image67
    Brie Hoffmanposted 20 months ago

    I believe in Creationism because it's a ridiculous and unscientific belief that we all evolved from...rocks!

    1. alancaster149 profile image85
      alancaster149posted 20 months agoin reply to this

      It wasn't the rocks, it was the amoeba that clung to the rocks. Divide and rule - see where the amoeba went? (Don't look now, but I think they're behind you).

    2. Misfit Chick profile image72
      Misfit Chickposted 20 months agoin reply to this

      It is unscientific not to consider science. 'God' operates in ways we don't comprehend - intelligence expands with each new life. It is the reason for things like the generation gap: kids R born just a bit more 'awake' than their parents, etc.

    3. Dont Taze Me Bro profile image61
      Dont Taze Me Broposted 20 months agoin reply to this

      Welcome to misfit science."intelligence expands with each new life."Scientifically false,far from any kind of scientific statement.Apples getting smarter?Kids are born more awake?That sounds scientific.lol It's unscientific to rule out God.

    4. profile image59
      frumpletonposted 20 months agoin reply to this

      Something made the Amoeba.  Geeze -- I guess u could wait a million years and have a $1 bill turn into $1,000,000  but where did that first dollar bill come from?

    5. profile image57
      Norine Williamsposted 20 months agoin reply to this

      Trees! Created by GOD!

    6. Misfit Chick profile image72
      Misfit Chickposted 20 months agoin reply to this

      I didn't rule out God, I have both science & God in perspective - can you say that, Bro? We didn't evolve from rocks, we were created 'in his image': God's image is PURE POSITIVE ENERGY, not human. We are a soul w/ a body - not the other way arou

    7. profile image57
      Norine Williamsposted 20 months agoin reply to this

      Why is that you only believe the portions of the Bible to justify "your belief?" Luke 17:21 was the beginning of "your message!"  Why only certain portions but the rest is pagan?
      U don't TRUST HIM enough to believe HE looks @ heart & helps as SA

  8. writejt profile image82
    writejtposted 20 months ago

    Learning about life is different from learning about other things. We need to find a way to learn about life, I have written about this.
    http://hubpages.com/education/How-to-ge … about-life

  9. Glenis Rix profile image98
    Glenis Rixposted 20 months ago

    I thought that it had been established that life evolved due to favourable combinations of climatic and physical conditions {water, sunlight and electrical storms) on microbes once the planet had cooled sufficiently for simple cells to emerge. From that point on more sophisticated forms of life developed. So I don't believe in the creation of life on our planet. It's possible, of course, that the Universe was created  - but we will never know if that is the case.

    1. Annabell Steven profile image62
      Annabell Stevenposted 20 months agoin reply to this

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  10. Ceegen profile image78
    Ceegenposted 20 months ago

    Growing up in the California public education system, I was taught evolution. It is just assumed to be true, and so I had no reason to question it. I mean, my teachers never raised any questions about evolution, and there was never any discussion about it to the contrary. I never thought this to be odd, since if it was being taught as fact, then it should indeed be fact. After all, they don't teach you things that aren't true in school, do they?

    But years later I became aware of a problem I saw with my schooling:  I was not taught how to think, but what to think. I was never taught how to ask questions, and what to look for in forming a question itself. Most schools exist simply to collect state-mandated education funding, and make a living by getting us to pass standardized tests. Passing a test is as easy as paying attention in class, because they give you the answers. But is that really what learning is about?

    Suffice to say, I have serious doubts about the theory of evolution for many good reasons. It seems rather ridiculous to say that life should just happen, when no such physical/mathematical law describes how life forms in the first place. If there were, we should see it still happening now, shouldn't we? And how is it that adding long periods of time to the process, simply causes it to happen?

    Furthermore, the DNA of all living organisms is a very detailed and specified set of instructions. You don't just throw the component parts together, and it self-assembles as we see it now. Nor do we see the plans being changed to form new life. What we do see is that a change in the blueprints of life, results in defects and death.

    I mean, you asked why, right? I believe we were created, and that is why. At least in part.

    1. jackclee lm profile image81
      jackclee lmposted 20 months agoin reply to this

      Very well said. I would add the statistical odds of having the right combination of amino acids to form life is astronomical. How long will it take for monkeys typing on typewriters to write Shakespeare's Hamlet?

    2. MizBejabbers profile image92
      MizBejabbersposted 20 months agoin reply to this

      I get James' point and agree, too, but I think that there are two types of evolution beliefs, one without a creator (happenstance) and one with a creator who planned for life to evolve. I believe in the latter. My dad and I differed on that belief.

    3. alancaster149 profile image85
      alancaster149posted 20 months agoin reply to this

      Nobody learns to ask questions, but it's the teachers who usually stifle inquisitiveness. That's how Germany went the way it did.

    4. Marisa Wright profile image98
      Marisa Wrightposted 20 months agoin reply to this

      I do think there is a big problem with the American education system, where children appear to be taught by rote not by discovery.  Evolution is not taught like that elsewhere in the world.

    5. RTalloni profile image86
      RTalloniposted 20 months agoin reply to this

      Evolution is indeed taught dishonestly as fact when it is a theory that has continually evolved to suit new discoveries that disprove it, to suit social acceptances, and even political motives.

    6. profile image57
      Norine Williamsposted 20 months agoin reply to this

      K&T:  Let me tell u something! My cell phone started "alarming" & I didn't set!  GOD knew u were up & on HP!  HE woke me up to respond to u! 
      Now that's what I'm talking about!  HE SPEAKS DIRECTLY to one!  HE "leads & guides" in ALL!

  11. Daniel C Felsted profile image65
    Daniel C Felstedposted 20 months ago

    Thanks for asking the question. It is always good to have a quality discussion on important topics. This is a topic I have had much interest in.

    In, the Origin of Species, Darwin never discussed the evolution of man. 20 years later, in the Decent of Man he discussed evolution more broadly. yet later he admitted his concern that there is no fossil record of one species evolving to another species. So, the question, in my mind, is that it is still a theory.

    1. alancaster149 profile image85
      alancaster149posted 20 months agoin reply to this

      A church man, Darwin was reluctant to publish his findings. He drew conclusions from findings in his 'Origin of Species'. Skeletons of primitive man were since found around East Africa and Europe to show changes that led to Cro-Magnon Man (France)

    2. Misfit Chick profile image72
      Misfit Chickposted 20 months agoin reply to this

      He was uncertain about things that looked like loopholes and not being able to nail them down. Something is afoot! I do not understand why people can't mix BOTH possibilities: that there IS a God who utilizes evolution. Humans are 'god in the flesh'

    3. profile image57
      Norine Williamsposted 20 months agoin reply to this

      Not all Cat or we wouldn't have prisons! We are "spirits" who MUST attain knowledge of the CREATOR!  Until then, there will continue to be more prisons unless man live "morally" (what society calls) "right!"

    4. MizBejabbers profile image92
      MizBejabbersposted 20 months agoin reply to this

      Satan is a fallen angel, so they say. Sometimes "God in the flesh" looses his way because of God-given free will. I agree with Catherine. That's why we have prisons. Someday when earth is a sacred planet, love prevails, and we won't need them.

    5. profile image57
      Norine Williamsposted 20 months agoin reply to this

      According to "Catherine," we don't need prisons because we all have GOD inside of us; whether "activated" by BELIEF (I BELIEVE) or not! 
      If true, why are there prisons?

    6. MizBejabbers profile image92
      MizBejabbersposted 20 months agoin reply to this

      Yes, but Christians aren’t Christian until they awaken and accept God. They may go to prison first. It is the same thing, people have to awaken to the God within. I think we are on the same page, Norine, just speaking different languages.

    7. profile image57
      Norine Williamsposted 20 months agoin reply to this

      Catherine's not on that page!  She continues to tell me
      "Don't worry, EVERYONE will be OK whether they awaken to GOD or not  for the KoG is within ALL!"

    8. profile image59
      frumpletonposted 20 months agoin reply to this

      The ancient hominids lived before the great flood.

  12. beagrie profile image98
    beagrieposted 20 months ago

    I believe in evolution. I'm not smart enough to understand all of the evidence for it, buy I *am* smart enough to understand some, whereas the only evidence for creation are holy texts.

    Creationists often cite how well adapted life is to its surroundings as evidence that we must have been designed when in truth (to paraphrase Douglas Adams), that's a bit like a puddle declaring that the hole it fills must have been designed for it because it fits so well.

    1. Abhimanyu gaur profile image84
      Abhimanyu gaurposted 20 months agoin reply to this

      You have indeed made an excellent point.

  13. hypergeometric profile image60
    hypergeometricposted 20 months ago

    Not a matter of feeling, in my opinion. However, it is natural to recognize stochastic emergence if one is, as I am, a physical materialist and, therefore, an atheist.

  14. profile image68
    Writer Chuckposted 20 months ago

    I believe in creationism. The world we live in is self sustaining and it's systems complex.  For mankind and the planet we live on to have just happened would take much more faith to believe in than I have in happenstance.

    writer chuck

    1. jackclee lm profile image81
      jackclee lmposted 20 months agoin reply to this

      Yes, it is as if you walk on a beach and found a watch. Would you conclude that it evolved over long time? Of course not. You know automatically an intelligent designer created it for a specific purpose. So is with life.

    2. Sam Shepards profile image91
      Sam Shepardsposted 20 months agoin reply to this

      The watchmaker argument really? It's ok you have religion and you use it for values in your life, but please don't spout your pro design nonsense to kids and your surroundings.

    3. jackclee lm profile image81
      jackclee lmposted 20 months agoin reply to this

      Sam, what do you mean nonsense? ID is not nonsense. Anyone who studied biology and science see the beauty and "intelligence" behind life's various organisms. It is blind allegiance to believe life came about by random chance.

  15. Misfit Chick profile image72
    Misfit Chickposted 20 months ago

    I believe in both - probably similar to what Jack mentioned with the Intelligent Design Theory, although neither camp has 'creation' entirely accurate. How can they when we are still pretty much babies in both the areas of science & spirituality? We'll get where we're going extremely-slowly until both religious & scientific fanatics drop their dogmas and start to consider each other's positions.

    I really don't mean to point any fingers (at all!); but if it wasn't for the majority of Christians being such fanatics on this issue for decades (yeah, only several decades - early Christians saw the creation story as a metaphor); there would not be so damn many 'anti-religion' scientists out there who are hell-bent on disproving the existence of a god.

    Both sides need to relax, because it does not have to be a stigma to see that there IS 'intelligence' behind this world; and scientific reasoning is NOT a threat to ANY 'god' if one exists: simply because if one exists, it won't be able to be discredited. What ARE Christians afraid of?!!

    For scientists, discrediting the possiblity of a 'Universal Creator' based on your current perceptions of religious folks who CAN'T see anything beyond what we may consider to be 'ridiculous beliefs' - is not a very scientific approach to take. In fact, it is very unscientific; and it is the thing that keeps humanity from moving forward and solving our collective problems faster than we are capable of.

    Scientists could be so much more helpful if they got past their own superstitions about 'god'. The acceptance and blending of these two camps would be ideal because there is MUCH to be learned from each other.

    1. jackclee lm profile image81
      jackclee lmposted 20 months agoin reply to this

      Catherine, I agree with you for the most part. There is a third possibility that ID not of human or divine origin could also be an explanation for what we see today. that is behind the Ancient Alien theory. It is not Christians that picked this fight

    2. Misfit Chick profile image72
      Misfit Chickposted 20 months agoin reply to this

      Ah yes, the aliens - they are not coming, ha! I actually address that issue at the end of my loooong hub about this. Alien conspiracy theories (& others) have been as harmful as 'salvation' has been for Christianity. Just another spiritual divers

    3. jackclee lm profile image81
      jackclee lmposted 20 months agoin reply to this

      I am with you on this but from a scientific point of view, this theory of an advanced civilization coming here and modified/created DNA makes more sense to me than the theory of evolution. It shows that life as we know it has some intelligence behind

    4. Misfit Chick profile image72
      Misfit Chickposted 20 months agoin reply to this

      Maybe, but why does that 'intelligence' have to be alien and/or from another planet? Humans have incredible imaginations; and have been more technically advanced before now - but never so spiritually advanced. When balance happens we will thrive. smile

    5. profile image57
      Norine Williamsposted 20 months agoin reply to this

      Daniel 12:4 "But thou, O Daniel, shut up the words, and seal the book even to the TIME OF THE END: many shall run to and fro, and knowledge shall be increased."

      THE TIME IS NIGH!

  16. Alec Zander profile image91
    Alec Zanderposted 20 months ago

    I believe in creation. If you look at even the smallest of things, say an ant. The ant still has a brain, can walk, can breathe, can eat, can carry items bigger than its own body, and I'm expected to believe that a miracle such as that just happened because some gases collided? There is so much intelligence in nature that there must have been a Creator. How anyone can look at the mountains, watch a snowfall, climb a tree, or lay and watch the birds and clouds and still say God doesn't exist is beyond me.

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      Norine Williamsposted 20 months agoin reply to this

      "Go to the ant, u sluggard, consider her ways, & be wise: Which has no guide, overseer, nor ruler"(Prov6:6-7)ONLY GOD!
      "A discerning person keeps wisdom in view, but a fool's eyes WANDER to the ends of the earth" (Prov17:24)! 
      They KEEP "searchi

  17. TessSchlesinger profile image94
    TessSchlesingerposted 20 months ago

    I accept that evolution is a strong possibility but completely reject any form of creation by a god. I reject god and creation because I spent close on 45 years studying it, praying, believing, and in the end, like many pastors who genuinely study, I came to the conclusion that there was no god. Ergo, if no god, there can be no creation.

    Do I know the answer as to how we came here? No.

    Do I care? No.

    Does it affect my life if I don't know and don't care? No.

    1. Misfit Chick profile image72
      Misfit Chickposted 20 months agoin reply to this

      Your tone says it all & you're right - its a common story. Many deconverting C's embrace atheism with a passion bcuz it is such a relief. I hung out there for a while, too. But I was too curious not to dig further bcuz I hate the great human divi

    2. TessSchlesinger profile image94
      TessSchlesingerposted 20 months agoin reply to this

      smile It was actually the other way round. I believed in God for about 45 years, 10 years of which were spent as a fundamentalist Christian.  You're confusing atheism with secularism. You were never an atheist.

    3. Marisa Wright profile image98
      Marisa Wrightposted 20 months agoin reply to this

      My husband is in the same boat.  He was a devout Christian in his youth and his mentor encouraged him to read the Bible more.  So he decided to read the whole Bible, cover to cover.   By the end of it he had given up his belief

    4. Abdul Sami Ayoubi profile image61
      Abdul Sami Ayoubiposted 20 months agoin reply to this

      Hey you think if there is not God and God didn't create any thing then who created you ,your mam or your dad
      If your mam and dad were not there whom will born you and how you come to this world .You say something that is full  of nonsense

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      Norine Williamsposted 20 months agoin reply to this

      Since they can't "figure it out" they've succumbed to secular belief.

    6. jonnycomelately profile image84
      jonnycomelatelyposted 20 months agoin reply to this

      Abdul, several people here have said they don't know the abdsolute truth and none of us can.  They are the honest ones.  One person has said it doesn't matter.  Doubly honest.  But keeping the mind open with love  -  that is much more important.

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      Norine Williamsposted 20 months agoin reply to this

      "Then I beheld all the work of God,that a man can't find...because though a man seek it out, yet he shall not find it; yea farther;though a wise man think to know it, yet shall he not be able to find it" (Ecc8:17)!

  18. Sam Shepards profile image91
    Sam Shepardsposted 20 months ago

    Life on this planet and how we get all the species and us? Evolution.

    How and why the entire universe functions as it does. An open question still (chaos theory etc), but no religion needed for that either. Just an open don't know and maybe someday we'll learn some more.

  19. solaimanraju profile image59
    solaimanrajuposted 20 months ago

    You should read holy Quran ,you will get the best answer.I don't say about  religion first you look science ,What they say then research holy book Quran ,What says in Quran compare with both of them logically because I trust on proof  For example when you sleep do you know what's going on that time around of you  ?It's like a taste of death.But when you wake up look the around family ,relatives,animal trees many more ,creation and death both are related each other It is maintaining the balance of the world  and controlled by the invisible power called " GOD".

  20. Abhimanyu gaur profile image84
    Abhimanyu gaurposted 20 months ago

    For now I will have to stick with evolution because it is certainly a possibility as oppossed to creation which has ZERO EVIDENCE. Evolution has its issues, but it has promising evidence. For instance, it was found recently that most of the human DNA is not junk as oppossed to popular belief. Now the scientists have to explain why most of the DNA is not junk when it should be junk as per the expectations. We do not know how life initially happened exactly and all efforts to create life in the labratory conditions have failed. There are some other problems, but even if evolution falls it does not means that creation is the answer. It would be absolutely foolish to say that disapproving evolution proves creation. Creationist websites do not have any evidence for creation, all they have are stories. I like stories, but when they are presented to convince me that they are true, then  I close the book and walk away.
    God can exist and I am not denying god at all. All I want to say is that creation is made up.

    1. jackclee lm profile image81
      jackclee lmposted 20 months agoin reply to this

      You are blinded by your own bias. The evidence for creation is every where if you care to look. I recommend you take a fresh look and read "the science of God". It laid out the sequence of creation as aligned perfectly with the creation story.

    2. Abhimanyu gaur profile image84
      Abhimanyu gaurposted 20 months agoin reply to this

      That is the thing. Every religious person claims that science has proved their stories, but in the end they are what they are stories. It is easy to align something when you know the science, but it does not make it true.

    3. jackclee lm profile image81
      jackclee lmposted 20 months agoin reply to this

      You are not listening. The sequence of events as described in the Bible is what science has discovered to be true. Light, water, land, aquatic life, animals...and finally man. The details of this is explored by Dr. Schroeder in his book. Timeline...

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      Norine Williamsposted 20 months agoin reply to this

      Even if the "creation story" IS "made up," the Bible is our "FOUNDATION" to "connect" to THE CREATOR! Once u acquire that,"They shall teach no more every man his neighbor...they shall ALL no me (v33)I will put MY law n their inward parts(Jer31:34)

    5. gregas profile image83
      gregasposted 20 months agoin reply to this

      At the beginning of this I asked that comments don't criticize other's beliefs and feelings. Discussions are one thing, but just because you believe one way, doesn't mean you can try to make someone believe your way. Thank you.

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      Norine Williamsposted 20 months agoin reply to this

      You HATE GOD don't u?
      Why ask of "creation story" if u don't want to hear?
      Not JUDGE? U "criticize" my belief bcuz I give evidence of TRUTH yet tell others not to?
      Either YOUR WAY or the HIGHWAY?
      Q should've been "Why blv in "evolution" as I do?

    7. Abhimanyu gaur profile image84
      Abhimanyu gaurposted 20 months agoin reply to this

      http://infidels.org/library/modern/grah … iew-s.html It is good to read views that differ to find out the truth.

    8. gregas profile image83
      gregasposted 20 months agoin reply to this

      I like and encourage different views. I just don't think anyone should be preaching to and trying to tell someone else how they should think.

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      Norine Williamsposted 20 months agoin reply to this

      Until one can prove scientifically why we each have a spirit inside w/intuitive feelings, there is a GOD! 
      Jack Lee has the MOST accurate concept for this question! 
      Get the book!

    10. Abhimanyu gaur profile image84
      Abhimanyu gaurposted 20 months agoin reply to this

      It looks like you will not quit. So let us agree to disagree.

    11. MizBejabbers profile image92
      MizBejabbersposted 20 months agoin reply to this

      Then why do fetuses first develop gills? http://io9.gizmodo.com/5967742/the-scie … uman-tails

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      Norine Williamsposted 20 months agoin reply to this

      We do not form holes that penetrate from the inside to the outside as gills in a fish do. We neither develop the structure of a fish gill. "Pharyngeal arches & clefts" develop into parts of our face & throat region (jaws, larynx, chewing musc

    13. MizBejabbers profile image92
      MizBejabbersposted 20 months agoin reply to this

      So, they still have to come from somewhere. Perhaps leftover genes that evolve into human.

    14. Abhimanyu gaur profile image84
      Abhimanyu gaurposted 20 months agoin reply to this

      I wonder if there is so much PROOF for creationism, then why aren't you people claiming the noble prize by proving your theory to be correct? You will not only get the noble, but you will also prove to the world that creationism is indeed true.

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      Norine Williamsposted 20 months agoin reply to this

      MizB" Yes dear heart!  READ Caleb's Response AGAIN!
      AB: Because MOST don't  BELIEVE & call "supernatural experiences" mystic & demonic as they did JESUS (Lk 11:14-15)!

    16. Abhimanyu gaur profile image84
      Abhimanyu gaurposted 20 months agoin reply to this

      This proves my point that there is indeed ZERO EVIDENCE for creationism. As far as the book science of god is concerned I have read some critics and it looks like the book is not scientific. If the book was scientific many scientists wud be belivers

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      Norine Williamsposted 20 months agoin reply to this

      There is ZERO EVIDENCE for those who DON'T BELIEVE in HIS PROMISES!  Those of us who do have exp'd "supernatural" events in our lives! 
      It all boils down to THE CREATOR'S knowledge vs man's; who is still "trying" to "figure it out!"
      Who's greater?

    18. Misfit Chick profile image72
      Misfit Chickposted 20 months agoin reply to this

      Who is greater, Norine? Man's 'spiritual knowledge' that is somehow contained in ridiculously outrageous ways in a book; OR God who's word cannot possibly be contained & certainly not 'recorded' by human beings? Both sides would benefit from each

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      Norine Williamsposted 20 months agoin reply to this

      PEW Research over 51% of polled scientist believe in GOD! 
      I wonder why?

    20. Aliswell profile image62
      Aliswellposted 20 months agoin reply to this

      Tender moments of despair are sought by those who dwell in the depths of their torment. Were it possible, but for a fleeting moment- a ray of concentric reality were to strike bare their turmoil- could peace be far behind?
      Turn away from the darkness

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      Norine Williamsposted 20 months agoin reply to this

      Prove IT'S "dark" please? 
      Evolutionists are still "seeking!" 
      I'm NOT!

    22. Sam Shepards profile image91
      Sam Shepardsposted 20 months agoin reply to this

      Indeed stories. Also there is a considerable difference between asking if a person believes in some kind of order or first cause and a religion / bible or what being the truth. You can argue anything if you stay vague.

    23. Aliswell profile image62
      Aliswellposted 20 months agoin reply to this

      Those who preach and postulate the certainty of their conviction as the "only" truth, have in fact confirmed their blindness.
      Seek another path to gain a different view, dearest. Your infirmities caused by past life events are over! Seek and rejoice!

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      Norine Williamsposted 20 months agoin reply to this

      Continue "seeking" & u will until death as those before you!  There's vagueness! When will you learn? 
      Keep "sweating" it!

    25. Abhimanyu gaur profile image84
      Abhimanyu gaurposted 20 months agoin reply to this

      I wonder why God gave us brain if he does not wants us to question things? You can just believe anything you want, but I have no reason to believe that Bible is the world of God. Belief that comes from fear is not worth it.

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      Norine Williamsposted 20 months agoin reply to this

      HE gives "choice" & u can continue to "try" & "figure HIM out" wasting time as did your forefathers or BELIEVE! 
      HE told us to "STUDY" (II Tim2:15) but WORD not "try to figure HIM out!"
      "Fear?" I AM RIGHTEOUS BY FAITH; therefore, "fear" what

    27. Abhimanyu gaur profile image84
      Abhimanyu gaurposted 20 months agoin reply to this

      My forefathers believed in own experience and they believed that yoga can lead to self-realization. I have not tried yoga yet so I do not make claims about the existence of god, but I do not deny it either.
      By fear I meant fear of hell.

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      Norine Williamsposted 20 months agoin reply to this

      After you've tried it ALL, you MAY come to the realization - time wasted as those before you!
      "I'M RIGHTEOUS BY FAITH" therefore no "hell" for me!

    29. Abhimanyu gaur profile image84
      Abhimanyu gaurposted 20 months agoin reply to this

      I think you should stop judging others and focus on yourself. Only time will tell who wasted his/her time. I will no longer engage in this debate because you won't understand my point. I know hell is invented by people to convert others. Namaste.

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      Norine Williamsposted 20 months agoin reply to this

      Not to "convert others" but to TRY to make you aware of the "spirit" GOD placed in each of us & if not "activated" by BELIEVING, hell is the consequence! 
      Why wouldn't one want "supernatural power?" Sure beats the simple 5 senses of a "carnal"ma

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      frumpletonposted 20 months agoin reply to this

      Remember the flood in the bible?  It wiped out ancient beings.  God thought mankind was evil so he made monkeys different than people.  Why do you think there are still humans and still monkeys?  Old fossils were from before the flood.

  21. ValKaras profile image85
    ValKarasposted 20 months ago

    I don't think either is true. Our linear conceptualizing doesn't allow us to think outside of cause-and-effect frame, and we can't fathom that something like life in earthly and out-of-earthly forms has existed from ever  -  like numbers and all math operations known and still unknown, like space and time. Life simply is, as a constant, like consciousness and its creative principle.
    I believe that there are countless planets with civilizations much older than ours, and life is spreading among them, either by an act of genetic engineering  -  which possibly explains our origin  -  or by some other means which are too complicated for us to even imagine.

    At the basis of everything I believe that we are, like any other epoch so far displaying a good amount of intellectual arrogance by claiming to hold the bag with ultimate truth. Well, I don't think that we are wired (as yet) to grasp the ultimate reality of everything. We can argue and discuss all we want, and we are bound to always return to the square one  -  of not knowing, merely "believing", which is not the same.

    Just a superficial look at our global affairs will tell us how pathetically naïve we are with our claims. We can't even take care of our harmonious coexistence, so that's the level of our consciousness evolution and our capacity to figure out who we are and what our place is in this universe.

    So, I shamelessly admit that I don't have a damn clue what the answer is  -  but in a lack of the right answer I won't resort to either of those most popular, just for sake of taking sides.
    I just say what my intuition is telling me  -  science is wrong and religion is wrong, and neither am I right by a humble intuiting that life is a constant and so is consciousness, and that quantum field of infinite possibilities  -  one of them being ourselves. Who really knows what is "right".

    1. ValKaras profile image85
      ValKarasposted 20 months agoin reply to this

      Greg  -  Thank you.

    2. Aliswell profile image62
      Aliswellposted 20 months agoin reply to this

      Val, My Friend. As you have entered G's trap of "Non-Sensicle Questions asked to illicate answers for my own personal boredom alleviating reality", I too- forthwith put my foot forward towards my pie hole, and proclaim-You are All just figments of?

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      Norine Williamsposted 20 months agoin reply to this

      Go ahead and say it!
      You know who "of?"

    4. Aliswell profile image62
      Aliswellposted 20 months agoin reply to this

      Your apparent need to rely on continuous quotes from a humanistic collage of stories, and the tirades that are directed at your dissenters- make for sad conversation! I therefore bid you adieu and welcome your parting flames of wrath with full relief

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      Norine Williamsposted 20 months agoin reply to this

      Blessings (Luke 6:28)!

    6. Irvin Watson profile image69
      Irvin Watsonposted 20 months agoin reply to this

      Agreed.

    7. iAuthor30 profile image61
      iAuthor30posted 20 months agoin reply to this

      What is the cause of the air you breathe? Surely that isn't evolution that created you through mitosis and meiosis, and has caused you to breathe life. I'm convinced that "Man will become too wise for themselves". I believe in creation.

    8. bdn9385 profile image70
      bdn9385posted 20 months agoin reply to this

      There could be peace in the midst of war and war in the midst of peace. Peace and chaos is only a state of mind. But the escalating global disputes has long been foretold and is now slowly being fulfilled.  Through seeking, one can find an answer.

    9. Misfit Chick profile image72
      Misfit Chickposted 20 months agoin reply to this

      We can't really know 'what's right' but we can see 'what's wrong'. For instance as mentioned above, 'global dispustes' have 'long been foretold' - for centuries; and WHEN was J supposed to return, originally? There is no TEST God gives. Just LIVE.

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      Norine Williamsposted 20 months agoin reply to this

      You passed THE TEST @ one time!  You believed w/ALL your heart & HE gave you a "gift!" Tell me u didn't believe when "gift" was given?  U DID!  HE saw ur heart (then) & gave so u passed THE TEST!  Now you're showing appreciation! ha!

    11. bdn9385 profile image70
      bdn9385posted 20 months agoin reply to this

      Cath, because nobody really knows the exact truth for now, so the best option indeed is to just Live. However, we are accountable for our actions & how we live our life echoes eternally so please choose the path your heart truly believe w/out reg

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      Norine Williamsposted 20 months agoin reply to this

      "We" are NOT accountable..." IF we do as "commanded" & "WAIT" (Acts 1:4) for HIS "leadership & guidance" (Jn14:26), HE (Holy Spirit) does EVERYTHING! 
      No one has taught TRUTH!  We don't "DO," Holy Spirit "DOES" all we do is BELIEVE & hav

  22. Shelby Slocombe profile image60
    Shelby Slocombeposted 20 months ago

    I believe in evolution as I am a believer in being able to evidence our findings. There has been no proof that god exists, I believe humans created him for many reasons including power, control and blame. Science on the other hand can be seen and proven and as we grow as humans we can clearly touch, hear and feel science though the technology we have created.

    1. AshutoshJoshi06 profile image89
      AshutoshJoshi06posted 20 months agoin reply to this

      That bit on ...power, control and blame was absolutely spoton.

    2. RTalloni profile image86
      RTalloniposted 20 months agoin reply to this

      If technology had to be created, it is logical to think that as complex as the earth, its elaborate systems, intricate creatures, and long-standing sustenance are, life did not happen randomly. Though mocked, brave Christian scientists do speak out.

    3. Tusitala Tom profile image65
      Tusitala Tomposted 20 months agoin reply to this

      Looks like that word, 'God' has a bad name.  Why not Infinite Intelligence?  or The Source?  Or even The Creator?

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      Norine Williamsposted 20 months agoin reply to this

      Matthew 24:14 "And THIS GOSPEL of the KINGDOM shall be preached in ALL the world for a witness unto ALL nations; and then shall THE END COME!"
      Blessings

    5. gregas profile image83
      gregasposted 20 months agoin reply to this

      Norine, what makes you THINK that you have all of the answers just because you can quote from the bible?

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      Norine Williamsposted 20 months agoin reply to this

      *I* don't think *I* know ANYTHING!
      "My sufficiency is NOT of "myself* BUT FROM GOD" (IICor3:5)! I'm no diff fm u are ANYONE ELSE! I just "BELIEVE" in HIS PROMISES in HIS WORD & don't "WAIVER!"   
      It's available to ALL!

    7. gregas profile image83
      gregasposted 20 months agoin reply to this

      I have done great for 70 years believing and trusting in myself.

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      Norine Williamsposted 20 months agoin reply to this

      *YOU* didn't create yourself; nor will you "return" to yourself!  What if GOD exists & you die?  What do you have to lose by trying HIM? I'm not trying to "convert" you, but remind DEATH IS INEVITABLE and there IS "A CREATOR" (aka GOD)!

  23. AshutoshJoshi06 profile image89
    AshutoshJoshi06posted 20 months ago

    I believe in evolution as it's supported by 'Facts' and not just 'Story Telling' like the concept of creation. It's also not a legacy passed on from generation to generation but a concept under constant scrutiny. Most importantly evolution is universal unlike the concept of creation which is confined to limited audience and the veracity of it being religion centric with no consensus among different religious groups across the globe. End of day every religion has a story to tell and a supremacy to establish over the other!

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      frumpletonposted 20 months agoin reply to this

      O.k. So, what made the big bang?  How did it occur?  You must believe in magic.  Even a dollar bill came from a tree, (paper).  The chaos theory doesn't work.  Try it in a sealed jar with nothing alive and wait for the big bang.

    2. gregas profile image83
      gregasposted 20 months agoin reply to this

      I don't believe in the Big Bang theory either. But that actually had nothing to do with evolution here on Earth.

    3. AshutoshJoshi06 profile image89
      AshutoshJoshi06posted 20 months agoin reply to this

      The kind of examples here are laughable if not blasphemous to science. Equating a sealed jar to big bang, that's beyond comprehension!
      Fact Check: Big bang is more to do with origin of universe than evolution of life on earth. Darwinism is seperate

    4. gregas profile image83
      gregasposted 20 months agoin reply to this

      Thank you Ashutosh.

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      Norine Williamsposted 20 months agoin reply to this

      Keep "searching" ("wasting time") as did all other man kind (Your forefathers)!

      Shouldn't "history" speak for itself?

      They still don't "KNOW" & will NEVER be able to "figure GOD out" (Ecc 8:17)!

    6. AshutoshJoshi06 profile image89
      AshutoshJoshi06posted 20 months agoin reply to this

      Norine that was a repeated comment seems like you are running out of verses.

      Without quoting a verse, can you plz explain creation and existence of god??

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      Norine Williamsposted 20 months agoin reply to this

      "Supernatural experiences"  that one can ONLY acquire by BELIEVING! Just this week I went to Dr "bone spur;" couldn't walk; prayed; NEXT DAY; walked! Stage IV cancer;11/15;6mos to live; prayed; pathology report; NO CANCER+++!
      Enough for me!

    8. Sam Shepards profile image91
      Sam Shepardsposted 20 months agoin reply to this

      Strawman arguments indeed. You reduce a theory to something absurd and then put it down as if you had an argument against the theory... Don't expect actual science from religious zealots...

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      Norine Williamsposted 20 months agoin reply to this

      Call it what you wish but I have MEDICAL EVIDENCE!

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      Norine Williamsposted 20 months agoin reply to this

      Call it what you wish but I have "medical evidence" that will stand in any court of law! 
      What "evidence" do you have for your theory?

    11. AshutoshJoshi06 profile image89
      AshutoshJoshi06posted 20 months agoin reply to this

      Why do we even need all these medicines, modern tech, if such healers can make disease(even terminal illness) disappear by a mere touch and chant...
      Damn!! Ignorance to extremes

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      Norine Williamsposted 20 months agoin reply to this

      Why did JESUS use "mud" to make a blind man see?  But he saw didn't he?

    13. AshutoshJoshi06 profile image89
      AshutoshJoshi06posted 20 months agoin reply to this

      I dont believe in folklores, they are as mythical as the creation theory. Again I dont have anything against your faith but you tryna impose it on others is really apalling!

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      Norine Williamsposted 20 months agoin reply to this

      We all have a "choice," don't we?

    15. Abhimanyu gaur profile image84
      Abhimanyu gaurposted 20 months agoin reply to this

      It is funny that you talk about choice Nornie. You are the one who is trying to force people to believe what you believe even if it makes not sense. If God exists then he gave us this brain to think for ourselves and not for denying science.

    16. AshutoshJoshi06 profile image89
      AshutoshJoshi06posted 20 months agoin reply to this

      She is blinded by faith, that's all I can say.

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      Norine Williamsposted 20 months agoin reply to this

      "Then I saw all the work of God, that man cannot find out the work that is done under the sun. However much man may toil in seeking, he will not find it out. Even though a wise man claims to know, he cannot find it out (Ecc8:17)!
      Keep "searching!"

    18. bdn9385 profile image70
      bdn9385posted 20 months agoin reply to this

      Norine is right. This kind of thing cannot be searched by man. It only comes out of revelation or divine intervention and only to the one being acted upon by the divine being. But there is a universal day of revelation for all of this as per Bible.

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      Norine Williamsposted 20 months agoin reply to this

      "Revelation" or Divine intervention!"

      Amen!

  24. Sulabha profile image83
    Sulabhaposted 20 months ago

    I do believe in Creation and Evolution. Just as we continue improving our works, the mighty Creator also keeps making improvement in his works.

    1. Kathleen Cochran profile image82
      Kathleen Cochranposted 20 months agoin reply to this

      I also believe in both.  I think God could have spoken the universe into existence or done it a step at a time.  One option doesn't make me eliminate the other.  He did it - however he did it.  No less a miracle.

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      Norine Williamsposted 20 months agoin reply to this

      You forgot "HE  "rested" HIS case (Genesis 2:2-3)!
      IT WAS FINISHED!
      HE gave "dominion" to man to mess it up (Genesis 1:26)!

  25. Blessed Hill profile image77
    Blessed Hillposted 20 months ago

    Creation. The intricacies in the make up of nature and the exact purpose and function even down to the microscopic detail of everything just has to be done by intelligent design. I have worked in the mechanical engineering field and know how catastrophically things can go even if 0.001mm tolerance is out on a precision part. Now I work in the dairy industry, and it's the same on the farm just on a larger scale. Nothing happens by chance or coincidence from my observations. The vastness of all creation just bogles the human mind and I simply have to admit someone a whole lot smarter than us put this all together and keeps it together. Think about the the exact distance and alignment of the earth to the sun. One metre out either way and we're either toast or ice. For me, mathematics and physics actually provide stronger evidence for creation than evolution. Even before I believed in creation evolution never really made any logical sense. It just seemed like a lot of grasping at invisible straws. I think sometimes when we don't have an answer or don't understand something it's better to just accept that we don't know and might never know the answer or understand. It's a whole lot better than making up an answer that sounds and looks more or less right. Until you have the right answer just admit that you don't know yet. When we are truthful usually more truth is revealed.

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      Norine Williamsposted 20 months agoin reply to this

      AMEN!

    2. Dan W Miller profile image85
      Dan W Millerposted 20 months agoin reply to this

      Yes, scripture. GREAT comment Blessed! Especially the admission "... don't know yet."  Norine gives me a homework assignment to read. I'VE READ IT. MANY TIMES. She's the expert on creation. Well, tell my enormous Lutheran church then, oh wise one.

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      Norine Williamsposted 20 months agoin reply to this

      JESUS told the "enormous" scribes & Pharisees (RELIGION) TRUTH; why can't I?
      *I* don't know ANYTHING as MOST can see on HP; BUT I do KNOW this ONE thing Gal 1:12!

  26. pateluday profile image37
    pateludayposted 20 months ago

    Evolution is universal! All things have evolved. However life itself is a mystery not much understood.

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      frumpletonposted 20 months agoin reply to this

      Where do you think anything came from in the first place?

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      Norine Williamsposted 20 months agoin reply to this

      GOD!

    3. AshutoshJoshi06 profile image89
      AshutoshJoshi06posted 20 months agoin reply to this

      And where did God exactly come from?
      Which god came first Christian, Hindu, Muslim??

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      Norine Williamsposted 20 months agoin reply to this

      GOD is a SPIRIT who is an intelligent Being & has always existed vs materialism (Ps90;2;93:2)!
      Based on the 2nd law of thermodynamics the stars would've burned out by now if evolution was true!

    5. AshutoshJoshi06 profile image89
      AshutoshJoshi06posted 20 months agoin reply to this

      Always existed cuz you believe so, but the same can't be proven. Can it be?
      However if it comes to a scientific argument you would outrightly reject it but if it suits you, you wont shy away from quoting the same too.

    6. gregas profile image83
      gregasposted 20 months agoin reply to this

      Thank you Norine, now I know what my problem is. I don't believe in "spirits". I am so glad you pointed that out to me.

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      Norine Williamsposted 20 months agoin reply to this

      It can be "proven" by BELIEVERS & it's too bad you won't "humble yourself" to find out!  Man has tried to "figure it out" since the beginning & can't.  Therefore, try GOD!
      Gregas: Where do you get that "intuition" or "conscience" from?

    8. gregas profile image83
      gregasposted 20 months agoin reply to this

      Norine, it sure isn't from a "spirit". It comes form life and experience itself. Nothing can be proved by anyone just because they believe. It only proves that THEY believe, nothing else.

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      Norine Williamsposted 20 months agoin reply to this

      Well "believe" this! You have more days behind than in front & DEATH IS INEVITABLE!  You've tried everything else & still asking questions! Why not try JESUS?

    10. gregas profile image83
      gregasposted 20 months agoin reply to this

      Trust me, I know how close I am to the inevitable. I didn't ask this question because I needed to know. I was just curious how other people feel. and think. "I" am not trying to change the way anyone thinks. or feels.

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      Norine Williamsposted 20 months agoin reply to this

      Neither am I!  Just putting TRUTH out there!  We ALL have a "choice!"

    12. Sam Shepards profile image91
      Sam Shepardsposted 20 months agoin reply to this

      Or how people spout nonsense connection thermodynamics  and evolution. Please get a real education.

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      Norine Williamsposted 20 months agoin reply to this

      Who cares how you guys feel about "a real education!"
      "I count it all dung" (aka shit) as Paul said in Phil 3:8 in comparison to REAL "TRUTH" from GOD (aka HOLY SPIRIT)!
      Keep "searching" with that "real education" as those before you!

  27. Caleb DRC profile image79
    Caleb DRCposted 20 months ago

    Evolution is the most inane, simple-minded and fatuous conjecture ever vomited upon civilization.  It is a mathematical impossibility that random processes can create anything of significant structure, let alone give it consciousness,  or a conscience.  How anyone can buy into such simplicity is beyond comprehension.  Just look through a good anatomy and physiology text, or a molecular biology text and ask yourself how random processes can do that? 

    Where did the electromagnetic force get the information to construct the geometric structure of DNA in which the protein synthesis is stored?  Who taught the cells and molecules to "read" this geometric structure in order to construct the proteins?  How can random processes orchestrate the complexities of metabolism with the chemical reactions perfectly timed?  Who taught the T, B, and NK cells of our immune system to recognize thousands of foreign invaders, and then attack and destroy?  Who gave them this memory and where is this information stored?

    The foundation of evolutionary theory is mindless thought, and infinite time will do nothing to promote its possibility because entropy will destroy any ordered structure that may "accidentally" happen.

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      Norine Williamsposted 20 months agoin reply to this

      AMEN! AMEN! AND AMEN!

      What IGNORANT FOOLS!

      They KEEP SEARCHING but will "NEVER" KNOW!

    2. MizBejabbers profile image92
      MizBejabbersposted 20 months agoin reply to this

      Why are some babies born with tails they can actually wag? http://io9.gizmodo.com/5967742/the-scie … uman-tails
      I first learned of humans with tails in my biology book at a religious-based college in the 1960s. Tell that to the Presbyterians.

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      Norine Williamsposted 20 months agoin reply to this

      Skin only; no bones as animals!

    4. MizBejabbers profile image92
      MizBejabbersposted 20 months agoin reply to this

      Noreen, you mentioned supernatural experience as your basis for bible belief. Do you believe in only 6 days of creation? My supernatural experience tells me that there is a creator who allows god's creatures to evolve. Can't tell where you stand?

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      Norine Williamsposted 20 months agoin reply to this

      GOD'S "time" is not as our "time" (II Peter 3:8)! 
      We do "evolve" into HIS likeness!
      We MUST "reconcile" to HIM or "suffer consequences!"

  28. seyf-educ profile image59
    seyf-educposted 20 months ago

    I just say what my intuition is telling me - science is wrong and religion is wrong, and neither am I right by a humble intuiting that life is a constant and so is consciousness, and that quantum field of infinite possibilities - one of them being ourselves. Who really knows what is "right".

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      Norine Williamsposted 20 months agoin reply to this

      GOD "KNOWS" (aka HOLY SPIRIT)! 
      IF "connected" as HE COMMANDED US TO "BECOME" (Matt6:33;Acts1:4)  we will know also (IJn4:17) BUT to what extent depends on our "level of FAITH" (Rm1:17)!

  29. wba108@yahoo.com profile image80
    wba108@yahoo.composted 20 months ago

    I believe in creation because I believe that the scriptures trump any science that we know. But I also believe it takes greater faith to believe in evolution than in a creator. So there is a measure of faith on both sides of the issue but creationism I believe more closely fits the evidence of science therefore its not blind faith.

    Some obvious problems with evolution are the human eye, which requires thousands of complex operations to work and in the millions of supposed years of evolution, what purpose would it serve? The same could be said for the creation of male and female.

    Creationism fits the evidence of history better, in that it is consistent with the basic laws of science especially the 2nd law of thermodynamics (entropy), that things tend to goes from order to disorder not the other way around.

    Gaps in the fossil record and the sudden appearance the species is not explained by the gradualism of evolutionary theory but by a creation by a higher intelligence (God).

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      Norine Williamsposted 20 months agoin reply to this

      "But I also believe it takes greater faith to believe in evolution than in a creator."  Sure does since there are too many unanswered question yet creationists have seen "SUPERNATURAL POWER,"  "PROMISES," and prophecies fulfilled in Scripture!

    2. Dont Taze Me Bro profile image61
      Dont Taze Me Broposted 20 months agoin reply to this

      I second your beliefs wba!

    3. wba108@yahoo.com profile image80
      wba108@yahoo.composted 20 months agoin reply to this

      Thanks for the encouragement smile

    4. MizBejabbers profile image92
      MizBejabbersposted 20 months agoin reply to this

      WBA, it can also be explained by alien intervention in the human species.

    5. wba108@yahoo.com profile image80
      wba108@yahoo.composted 20 months agoin reply to this

      I think that alien intervention is put forth because of the unexplained gaps in the fossil record and the sudden appearance the species. Alien intervention would explain the higher intelligence necessary to accomplish advanced life forms.

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      Norine Williamsposted 20 months agoin reply to this

      James 1:8!

    7. wba108@yahoo.com profile image80
      wba108@yahoo.composted 20 months agoin reply to this

      Norine, I hope you don't think my opinion is wavering, i'm just saying that from a secular scientific standpoint, alien intervention makes more sense than evolution.

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      Norine Williamsposted 20 months agoin reply to this

      But another question arises!
      Where did the aliens comes from?

    9. The Indexer profile image85
      The Indexerposted 20 months agoin reply to this

      Err ... no! The evidence for Evolution is overwhelming and every single objection proposed by Creationists can easily be  countered - but they are never prepared to listen to anyone who does not "believe" in their fairy tales!

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      Norine Williamsposted 20 months agoin reply to this

      Then why does Bible (ITim3:16) continue to fulfill itself even to this date? Ecc8:17 says [paraphrasing] "Man sees all of the work of GOD & will continue to "seek" how it was done but will "never" find out!" 
      Explain that "fairy tale!"

    11. gregas profile image83
      gregasposted 20 months agoin reply to this

      Norine, you seem to follow the Bible to a "T". Do you realize how many people had a hand in creating the Bible? It has been edited several times and there is more than one version. I believe there is 'some truth in it, but my life won't revolve aroun

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      Norine Williamsposted 20 months agoin reply to this

      Why worry IF you believe?  Did JESUS not say in Jn 14:26 HE WOULD "lead & guide us into ALL truth" IF we've obeyed & acquired the "Communication Line" to HIM? 
      Man can add/delete ANYTHING but THE TEST for TRUTH is being "obedient" to "comman

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    Aima Awaisposted 20 months ago

    Well I believe in creation not evolution. Every living thing that exists needs a creator,so every thing present on this earth must have been created by someone. Things cannot evolve naturally, if things would have evolved over time we would have some signs still on earth to make us believe that its evolution which lead to the creation of all living things, DNA cannot be changed into new species with the process of natural selection. "theory of evolution" is still a theory, if it would have been veracious, it would have become a "law" by now.

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      Norine Williamsposted 20 months agoin reply to this

      Let them keep wasting time as did their forefathers! 

      Will they EVER learn is the question?

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      Aima Awaisposted 20 months agoin reply to this

      God guides those whom he wills, so we can only pray for the ones in darkness and lets hope for the best smile

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      Norine Williamsposted 20 months agoin reply to this

      Romans 10:14-21!
      Amen!

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      Aima Awaisposted 20 months agoin reply to this

      just read the reference you mentioned its same as in Quran [28:56] (O Prophet), you cannot grant guidance to whom you please. It is Allah Who guides those whom He will. He knows best who are amenable to guidance.

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      Norine Williamsposted 20 months agoin reply to this

      John 14:26 HE "leads and guides into ALL truth!"

    6. Dan W Miller profile image85
      Dan W Millerposted 20 months agoin reply to this

      This what I was trying to say. (My first sentence.) Yes, has to start somewhere THEN we evolve. But Norine doesn't get it just as soon as I go anywhere near EVOLVING she starts throwing THE GOOD BOOK at me. SO NORINE I said THE CREATOR THEN EVOLUTION

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      Norine Williamsposted 20 months agoin reply to this

      Hey Dan! Go by my aunt's restaurant in Phoenix "The Golden Rule" & ask for Lizzie White!  Call first & ask her to meet u & bring a picture of me! I'm real! I don't LIE! She'll tell u!
      Yes CREATION "FIRST" yet "evolution" still "theory!"

    8. Kiss andTales profile image79
      Kiss andTalesposted 20 months agoin reply to this

      GregS. Thats a very good question how do one know through the many translations who are we quoting.Well I would say people need to compare other bibles and their content. I find that most parts of texts say the same thing , but some substitute words

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      Norine Williamsposted 20 months agoin reply to this

      Dan: If you "created" a robot; you can change it's functions but the "initial" robot still there!  Do we now grow extra limbs? "Wiser" but "weaker"(ICor1:25)!
      K&T: Y worry about "translations" when GOD talks DIRECTLY to one (Jn14:26;Jer31:34)?

  31. Dan W Miller profile image85
    Dan W Millerposted 20 months ago

    Well, not worried what one person's (your's) opinion might be of me but when my answer is public then it's a declaration to the entire world.
    I really am not sure. I just don't blindly go along with what might be EXPECTED or WHAT I'M SUPPOSED to say according to my religious beliefs created by people on Earth. BOTH theories seem far fetched and a third conclusion is not even thought of.
    That's why to just blindly stay behind a theory, a religious philosophy or even your  party's candidate is NOT how I function.
    I think for myself with the church as a guide through life and a modern written 'map' in The King James' version Bible. But, please continue one's ways as long no one gets hurt. 

    I kind of like to think there was evolution that slowly developed with the help of divine intervention.

    Isn't that a nice thought? Both sides are correct. That's Lutheranism for ya. A kind of, "So is everyone happy (enough)? Good."

    Now let's all rejoice in singing... horribly. Ah 1 and ah 2 and ah...
    -
    Dan

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      Norine Williamsposted 20 months agoin reply to this

      Galatians 1:6-9 speaks to those NOT "happy!"

    2. Dan W Miller profile image85
      Dan W Millerposted 20 months agoin reply to this

      OK, Norine. Your point or just a comment? Always suspect people or wonder why they are so paranoid about posting a picture with their account. ANY picture. I'm a comedian too by the way. So I like to make ironic statements.
      Happy is a relative term

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      Norine Williamsposted 20 months agoin reply to this

      Not "paranoid" but computer illiterate!  Barely can write a HUB!
      GOD mostly uses ones who world says "ignorant" (ICor1:26)!
      Get a Bible and READ Scriptures posted w/comments to understand!
      Blessings

  32. Irvin Watson profile image69
    Irvin Watsonposted 20 months ago

    I think there's a fundamental problem with the statement "I believe in evolution."

    The statement is problematic because it implies that you are taking the principles of evolution on faith, rather than on observation. I have not read Darwin's "On the Origin of Species" cover to cover, but my understanding is that he came to his conclusions through observation.

    As for creationism, the idea of "creation" from the biblical perspective has been hijacked by the religious world because most Christians have failed to interpret the creation narrative as a parable. They've taken it as history.

    So, all that to say this: it is hard for me to answer the question, "Do you believe..." one or the other. But I always enjoy these discussions, so thank you for the question, all the same.

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      Norine Williamsposted 20 months agoin reply to this

      Bible consists of Allegories, metaphors, parables, illustrations & is why ALL "MUST" worship in Spirit & in Truth" (Jn4:23-24) or they will be running around like unbelievers reading "the letter" TRYING to "figure It out" creating +denominati

    2. gregas profile image83
      gregasposted 20 months agoin reply to this

      With all that is and has been said it really comes down to believing in one thing. And that one thing to believe in is "yourself" and all that you can be and do. It doesn't really matter how we came about, it is about how we go out. Plain and simple.

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      Norine Williamsposted 20 months agoin reply to this

      "Self" vs GOD? 
      The world's analogy:  "I - I  - I can do it ALL" (Rm 1:25) yet still can't "figure out" where we came from!

    4. gregas profile image83
      gregasposted 20 months agoin reply to this

      If you can't believe in yourself you can't believe in anything.

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      Norine Williamsposted 20 months agoin reply to this

      When I was a kid I would fight all the time & mom would tell me "One day you'll meet your match!"  I did & you will! 
      "Self reliance" is NOTHING!
      Tune in to the "power" inside ("spiritual awareness")! 
      It's there!   Use wisely!

    6. gregas profile image83
      gregasposted 20 months agoin reply to this

      I feel sorry for you Norine. I don't need someone else telling how I should believe or feel. Obviously you do.

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      Norine Williamsposted 20 months agoin reply to this

      When that "SOMEONE" is "THE CREATOR" It's fine with me!

      Blessings

  33. India-Nepal profile image73
    India-Nepalposted 20 months ago

    I believe that the creation happened exactly how the Bible teaches.

    That's because people cannot get out into space. Moon landings never happened - you can watch YouTube videos proving them to be merely movies. Just type "Moon Landing Hoax" and you'll get many of the videos showing how it was all staged. 

    Secondly, satellites don't exist. Just check the images of them on Google and tell me they're not computer-generated. You won't find any real ones. Radio towers are used instead of them to give you a signal, and there might be something similar to satellites, but close to earth - not in space.

    I'm telling you these two facts so that you don't believe so much in what the science tells you. I think they are just using taxpayers' money for wars, etc., but never for the good of people. People are lied to by their governments but many don't care, or don't care to research.

    When you dig deep into where the evolution theory and other such more recent theories came from, you'll always find them to be rooted in the occult or freemasonry. Isn't that interesting?

    Darwin had many gaps in his evolution theory, which are addressed, as well as other important points, by the scientist in this video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LWWFf8G … mp;index=3

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      Norine Williamsposted 20 months agoin reply to this

      When ALL become more "spiritually aware" and STOP "trying to use their five senses," rather their "sixth sense" which is of GOD, they will continue to be DECEIVED!
      We ALL need to "connect" to GOD!
      Prepare for "reconciliation" (II Cor 5:11-21)!

    2. MizBejabbers profile image92
      MizBejabbersposted 20 months agoin reply to this

      Simona, I worked in radio for 20 years, including with transmitters and towers. Believe me, satellites exist today and they orbit the earth in its atmosphere, not in space. Sorry your enlightenment was cut short.

  34. stephenteacher profile image77
    stephenteacherposted 20 months ago

    If creation takes faith, how much more faith does it take to believe that a human being, a complex biological super-organism, evolved from an explosion of nothing? I love the scenarios that go something like this: "This animal over millions of years evolved so it won't get eaten by predators." Well, silly us. It survived fine for millions of years....but we think we won't adapt to global warming.

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      frumpletonposted 20 months agoin reply to this

      I think it takes an intelligent person to recognize the fact that someone created everything around us.  Not a bunch of explosions.  Where and by whom did the explosions come from?  God made everything and I'm not religious, either.  Neither a fool

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      Norine Williamsposted 20 months agoin reply to this

      You sure aren't (as far as this question is concerned)!

      Blessings

    3. gregas profile image83
      gregasposted 20 months agoin reply to this

      Explain why there is nothing mentioned in the Bible about cave men or dinosaurs. Or do you believe they didn't exist?

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      Norine Williamsposted 20 months agoin reply to this

      "The flood!"  But fossils exist!
      The Bible is not about "creation" but the coming of Christ to "reconcile" us back to THE SPIRIT! 
      Jn21:25"There r also MANY OTHER THINGS which JESUS (aka GOD) did, if they'd be written every 1 NO BOOK could contain

    5. gregas profile image83
      gregasposted 20 months agoin reply to this

      But according to the Bible "in the beginning" life started at the beginning of the bible when 'God' "created" Adam and Eve. Explain that. That didn't start after the "flood".

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      Norine Williamsposted 20 months agoin reply to this

      Bible is mainly genealogy of Christ! No concern for "cave men & dinosaurs!"
      Wouldn't have mentioned "giants" either if DAVID (part of Christ's Genealogy) hadn't slain!
      Jn 21:25 "...I suppose that even the world itself couldn't contain the books

  35. grand old lady profile image84
    grand old ladyposted 20 months ago

    Nobody really knows, since nobody was there. But I believe there is no contradiction between believing God created the earth, and evolution. The only problem Christians have with evolution is that it talks of the big bang, which implies that life is an accident. I don't believe our lives are accidents, but that we were all born with a purpose in life. I don't think that contradicts with the big bang. Likely, it was God's will implemented through the big bang to start his process of creation.

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      Norine Williamsposted 20 months agoin reply to this

      Either you believe Big Bang or GOD (Genesis 1:1) but no in between (I Cor 10:21)!

    2. grand old lady profile image84
      grand old ladyposted 20 months agoin reply to this

      Gen.1:1 - origin of earth.1 Cor. 10:21 - you and demons can't drink from same cup. No contradiction with big bang, start of universe from which earth followed. I believe God is sovereign even over big bang.

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      Norine Williamsposted 20 months agoin reply to this

      You CANNOT say I believe in "creation"  BUT "Likely it was God's will implemented thru Big Bang to start his process..." that's NOT in Scripture (I Cor10:21)!
      Yes; "contradiction!" 
      Is45:9-10; I Sam 2:10!

    4. Misfit Chick profile image72
      Misfit Chickposted 20 months agoin reply to this

      Its not a contradiction, Norine - many MANY Christians believe in BOTH 4 the same reasons Mona does. Before Darwinism started threatening your literal beliefs, MANY pre-literal (protestant) C's believed story of creation to be a metaphor. Research

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      Norine Williamsposted 20 months agoin reply to this

      I have ALWAYS said the Bible is written in Allegories, metaphors, parables, & illustrations which ONLY "THE SPIRIT" will "reveal" by "leading & guiding us into ALL truth!" 
      The SPIRIT "moved upon the face of the deep" not a "Big Bang" before

    6. gregas profile image83
      gregasposted 20 months agoin reply to this

      The Bible has had so many people involved in writing, creating and editing it that I would like to know how YOU know who you are quoting. Just curious.

    7. Kiss andTales profile image79
      Kiss andTalesposted 20 months agoin reply to this

      Misfit Norine is a woman not a bro !
      That makes one wonder about your education in respects to how to address people this is a negative to your name.

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      Norine Williamsposted 20 months agoin reply to this

      It's OK K&T!  I've been called worst!  I love everyone no matter what they call me & I take it with a grain of salt because I know how Satan operates!   
      BTW, I liked your response to this Q & agree whole heartedly!
      Who can know the MIND

    9. gregas profile image83
      gregasposted 20 months agoin reply to this

      Who called her bro?

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      Norine Williamsposted 20 months agoin reply to this

      Thanks so much Greg for allowing HIS WORD to be spoken & not "deleted!"  We have gotten "off topic!"
      You have more respect for HIS WORD than that of MOST "proclaimed" Christians!

      GOD "SEES!"
      Blessings

  36. profile image58
    Hermes Hamdanposted 20 months ago

    I used to believe in evolution, then I didn't.
    It's like what Vladimir said, we are stuck in a view of cause and effects.
    Evolution only holds true in the world of cause and effect.
    The most modern science is already challenging that view that we (well most of us) made the basis of our very perceptions. We have now found out what we knew all along: that the world is not simply laid out in a linear, black and white way. For time is not restricted to moving linearly, even though that's the only way we've experienced so far.

    My point of view right now, is that to believe blindly in evolution is no different than being a religious fundamentalist. They hold onto their views by vigorously and rigorously denying anything and everything that goes against it. Isn't that reminiscent of the Galileo Affair?
    Evolution had a good run for its money, but truth be told, science needs to be set free. Evolution is a concept, a theory, an idea that took hold in the minds of people searching for truth. So was the idea that the world was flat. Those ideas have ran their course. We now have better technology, better understanding, we no longer need to be shackled by the idea of evolution. The idea of evolution itself needs to evolve, if not then 'it' is its biggest dissenter.

    As for creation, I'm not sure whether to believe it or not. So far no one has really proven it, nor disproved it. So I choose to believe in creation simply because you can live a better life believing in creation than you can in not believing. For me believing in creation is not about holding on to superstitions and dogmas. Its about setting my mind free to explore and sometimes understand the limitless expanse of creation.

  37. lawrence01 profile image80
    lawrence01posted 20 months ago

    I'd fit into the area of 'intelligent design' and probably more leaning more towards the 'young earth' creation side of things, I've written a couple of hubs on the issue and the science that I believe points that way, but before you criticize I'd encourage you to look at all the sides of the debate and take a look at the hubs I wrote on the subject for the possibility the earth may not be as old as we're led to believe.
    One thing evolution can't explain, and doesn't really try is how that first life came about.
    Thanks
    Lawrence

  38. Tony L Smith profile image51
    Tony L Smithposted 20 months ago

    Maybe when the scripture says that God created heaven and earth and then spoke light into them it was like a single atom with infinite possibilities. Then he started speaking into to it and it formed everything his word or seed carried. The DNA of each created thing was in the word and the atom multiplied and formed it all according to the word.
    A single atom as in space, mass, and energy. space=heaven, mass=earth and energy=light.
    So God created a womb of sorts and the womb created or formed everything spoken to it as it still does today.
    The appearance of evolution is true as in everything came from one atom as was spoken into. An atom with infinite potential to multiply, form, grow anything which was desired of it.

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      Norine Williamsposted 20 months agoin reply to this

      "With GOD "ALL" things are possible" (Matt19:26)!
      This is a great philosophical explanation for "evolution" (Col 2:8) but that's not what's in Scripture!

  39. AF Mind profile image55
    AF Mindposted 20 months ago

    I believe in creationism. No matter how far back you go, at one point there had to be something that required no beginning and would have to have the ability to make this happen. Sure people can say they believe it was all forces of gravity and stuff like that, but it fails because they have to ask themselves, "What made that if there is no god?" And that is where the almighty Most High Yah comes in.

    1. AshutoshJoshi06 profile image89
      AshutoshJoshi06posted 20 months agoin reply to this

      It cud have been aliens, how can you be so sure it was god?
      So far existence of both is a disputed subject.

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      Norine Williamsposted 20 months agoin reply to this

      ONLY to those who DON'T BELIEVE!  Why do you think there are so MANY "Christians?" They've encountered "supernatural experiences" based on "BELIEF!"  Are there that MANY "Ignorant" people in the world? What r stats of unbelievers v believers? Why hi

    3. AshutoshJoshi06 profile image89
      AshutoshJoshi06posted 20 months agoin reply to this

      Since old times some religions chose expansion & imposition while others stayed put for global dominance. Money pumped in being other influential factor.

      Also not believing in other's belief isn't ignorance. Who sets that damn benchmarch?

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      Norine Williamsposted 20 months agoin reply to this

      READ my HUB "Christians Grumbling Arguing & Judging!"
      GOD sat the "benchmark!" 
      If there is "ONE" SPIRIT & Bible is "the inspired WORD of GOD" (IITim3:16) who is JEALOUS (Exd20:3) why are other "RELIGIONS" (Christianity it's a RELIGION) OK?

  40. Justin Earick profile image85
    Justin Earickposted 20 months ago

    Evolution is not a theory to believed or not. Evolution is scientific fact. Evolution and the Big Bang theory are different things. The Big Bang theory is just that, a theory which may perhaps explain the origins of life. Creationism is another theory - a theory with exactly zero basis in scientific fact.
    I can't *know* for certain that the Big Bang theory is correct. I do know that it is far more likely than a nonsensical fairly tale conjured by ancient sand dwellers for the purpose of defeating the Canaanites and controlling the behavior of other human beings who are understandably afraid of what happens when we die.

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      Norine Williamsposted 20 months agoin reply to this

      "Afraid?"  Why would one be "afraid" when they KNOW they are "connected" to the HOLY SPIRIT? 
      Those who "proclaim" Christianity may be "afraid," but those who have "obeyed" believe "To be absent from the body, is to be present w/GOD" (2Cor5:8)!

    2. Justin Earick profile image85
      Justin Earickposted 20 months agoin reply to this

      Those who are secure in their faith do not shout their prayers from the street corners like the pharisees

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      Norine Williamsposted 20 months agoin reply to this

      Really? Ever heard "Teach ALL nations"(Matt28:19); "Will be preached" (Matt24:14); Jesus preached KoH (Matt4:17;Mk1:14)? Plus MORE!
      You have Scripture "twisted!"

  41. The Indexer profile image85
    The Indexerposted 20 months ago

    Every ancient civilization has its creation myths, as a way of trying to understand what happened to make things the way they are, but these myths become superseded when proper science is able to provide more rational explanations.

    Unfortunately, some people prefer to stick to the myths despite the overwhelming evidence to the contrary. Once you allow the concept of a "holy book" in which everything must be true, you will never become truly scientific.

    There is absolutely no reason to doubt that the theory of evolution is true - and don't get hung up on the word "theory", because it does not imply doubt any more than the "theory of gravity" does. The world makes no sense if you deny evolution - that is why creation is literally "nonsense".

    1. bdn9385 profile image70
      bdn9385posted 20 months agoin reply to this

      Does the theory of evolution teaches you to become wise? The holy book does. And it is not wise for you to dispense the possibility of myths or supernatural for what are you going to do if that day comes? It is better to be wise than intelligent.

    2. Misfit Chick profile image72
      Misfit Chickposted 20 months agoin reply to this

      It is MUCH more desireable for God when we use the tools he gave us (like the brain) to assess our world and the people in it - than believe in a manmade book written to unite masses of pagan religions in FEAR a couple thousand years ago, now.

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      Norine Williamsposted 20 months agoin reply to this

      Why do so MANY believe there is a GOD but believes HE LIES, or DEAD or "that's the way HE did IT back then?"
      If one believes HE is ALMIGHTY, why do you think that SAME SPIRIT can't "lead & guide us" into LIES men have written in that book?

    4. Misfit Chick profile image72
      Misfit Chickposted 20 months agoin reply to this

      1) Why would you want to be led or guided by a book of lies written by men? 2) God neither lies nor is dead. Only human souls housed in physical bodies do both of those things. 3) God doesn't need to 'trick' or 'test' anyone into believing in him.

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      Norine Williamsposted 20 months agoin reply to this

      U miss the point! HIS SPIRIT "leads & guides;"not a book! The book is ONLY our "Schoolmaster" or "Foundation" to BELIEF in HIM "then" after HE "sees" one's "pure heart" HE enters & "lead & guide" into ALL truth!" NO MORE "BIBLE"(Jer31:33-

    6. Misfit Chick profile image72
      Misfit Chickposted 20 months agoin reply to this

      His spirit only leads & guides through a proven-manipulated text? Hogwash. You quote scriptures incessantly - you BELIEVE in your interpretations; and would have no faith in God without them. That alone puts your mind in a paper prison. Spirit is

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      Norine Williamsposted 20 months agoin reply to this

      Did U HEAR? "NO MORE BIBLE!"Jer 31:34 "No man will have to teach another" after THE SPIRIT "connects" w/us & HE will "guide" in ALL things not only what's in the book! 
      "Dream dreams/Daughters prophecy?"
      Lk17:21 is how "ur msg" started!U blv so

    8. bdn9385 profile image70
      bdn9385posted 20 months agoin reply to this

      God makes one a Christian, another Moslem, another Hindu, another an atheist. Just as he made one a heart, another a brain, another a liver. All of us are separated but connected. There is much to be learned from the unparalleled wisdom of God.

    9. Kiss andTales profile image79
      Kiss andTalesposted 20 months agoin reply to this

      bdn You have said some true things up until you said God made us Hindu,  christian,  Muslims,  No ! He leaves that up to us. We chose because he tells us to chose life. If he chose all our choices then no one would die in the future of Armageddon.

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      Norine Williamsposted 20 months agoin reply to this

      K&T is RIGHT!   READ II Kgs 17:29-41! 
      GOD wants ALL the GLORY (Isaiah 48:11) for HE is a JEALOUS GOD (Exd 20:3)!
      Vs 12 say "I AM he; I AM the first, I AM the last" (See Jehovah K&T?) & HE SAID the SAME THING in Rev1:8;11; "I AM alpha &

    11. bdn9385 profile image70
      bdn9385posted 20 months agoin reply to this

      K&T, nobody has the right to claim to be right even God and Devil. One can only defend his belief  and try to influence or challenge others in the process. The sad thing is only God completely understand his stand. Same goes for us & the devi

    12. Kiss andTales profile image79
      Kiss andTalesposted 20 months agoin reply to this

      bdn then this applies definitely to you ! God is always right.
      Ro 3:4Certainly not! But let God be found true, even if every man be found a liar, just as it is written: “That you might be
      proved righteous in your words and might win .

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      Norine Williamsposted 20 months agoin reply to this

      "GOD (aka WORD) is not man that HE should LIE; neither the son of man, that HE should repent: hath HE said, & shall HE not do it? or hath HE spoken, and shall HE not make it good" (Numbers 23:19)?

    14. bdn9385 profile image70
      bdn9385posted 20 months agoin reply to this

      K&T/Norine, These are words relayed from God thru called Men. How am I supposed to deal with men who merely echoed what is being told them and not speak their own thoughts? In this case, evolutionists are better because they worked it and earned

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    Tanushree Cposted 20 months ago

    I believe in both. As an anthropologist I do believe and studied like its evolution Which has explanations and evidences to prove its genuinity.  And evolution is an ongoing process, that means we are also in a part of evolution.  But as a Christian if I think, then at some point of time the concept of evolution stands little weak. Why? And the  answer I feel is like  we know about evolution of unicellular bacteria, n before that big bang theory, before that universe was a big round circle and before that??????? How it came to existence??? So their comes the theory of creations and god. Because Bible says everything is possible with God. So this is my perception

    1. AshutoshJoshi06 profile image89
      AshutoshJoshi06posted 20 months agoin reply to this

      Seriously...'The Bible says so...'
      That's byfar the best explanation. Damn I wish if they had the techonolgy back then, to quote the billions of year of evolution behind them instead of directly begining from homo sapiens - Adam & Eve

  43. Winter Wildflower profile image60
    Winter Wildflowerposted 20 months ago

    I think that creation is real. As a Christian, I believe that God created the world. While I understand that some people think evolution is real, is it truthfully less believable than Christian beliefs. If we really evolve, the why don't we have tails like the monkey or breathe underwater like the fish. Evolution is taking the talents we already had and making it better WHILE KEEPING THE SAME PRIMORDIAL TALENTS. I strongly believe that creation is real and evolution is scientists attempt at a rumor.

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      Norine Williamsposted 20 months agoin reply to this

      I believe when GOD breathed into man "the breathe of life" (Gen2:7) it was GOD'S SPIRIT but we lost HIS SPIRIT due to Adam & Eve & was left was "a spirit!"  Now we must "obey" to get it back so that we can "keep the same primordial talents!"

    2. Justin Earick profile image85
      Justin Earickposted 20 months agoin reply to this

      Evolution = scientific fact
      Darwin ≠ evolution
      Survival of fittest = evolution of life theory
      Big Bang = evolutution of universe theory
      Creationism = ancient sand-dweller myth
      Faith ≠ standard of scientific theory, let alone proven fact

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      Norine Williamsposted 20 months agoin reply to this

      "Then I beheld all the work of God, that a man can't find out the work that is done under the sun:bcuz though a man labor to seek it out, yet he shall not find it;yea farther;though a wise man think to know it, yet he shall not be able to find it!"

  44. Rafa Baxa profile image87
    Rafa Baxaposted 20 months ago

    I've always believed in evolution as there is more proof to this than creation. And I do believe than all organisms in this planet are constantly evolving even though it may be very obvious. This isn't to say that I am against the idea of creation but there just isn't much proof to it.

    1. bdn9385 profile image70
      bdn9385posted 20 months agoin reply to this

      Norine, when God created man self conscious, he literally surrendered His right to own him because of the inherent sovereignty of that person. But God knowing things will lead to destruction already prepared the way to redemption because of Love.

    2. Kiss andTales profile image79
      Kiss andTalesposted 20 months agoin reply to this

      Also Bdn according  to this scripture De 32:4The Rock, perfect is his activity, For all his ways are justice. A God of faithfulness who is never unjust; Righteous and upright is he.
      There is no way God the Father  is equal to satan in wrongness

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      Norine Williamsposted 20 months agoin reply to this

      True!  But THE CREATOR is "JEALOUS" as a husband in a marriage  Eph5:31-32!  HE doesn't want us worshiping idols (men who say they saw GOD or give instructions that are not in WORD on how to get to GOD), graven images (carvings)! HE will NOT share

    4. bdn9385 profile image70
      bdn9385posted 20 months agoin reply to this

      God created, then He saw that it was good. It was the weak nature of Human that misinterprets life to be imperfect. It is human to not see through the good things derived out of misfortune because of human's intolerance towards pain and suffering.

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      Norine Williamsposted 20 months agoin reply to this

      No!  We're speaking of THE CREATOR who is JEALOUS as a husband! 

      READ II Kings 17:29-41 to get TRUTH on how GOD feels about different "religions!"

  45. Valerie Bick profile image74
    Valerie Bickposted 20 months ago

    Quite honestly I think we cannot concieve of either.. part of me believes we as part of a divine architect ultimately create and evolve in every moment we are in. Vladimir has a very good point about how we may not be able to concieve of the truth behind this question. People forgwt that time is not a linear construct but is actually an aspect of space. I also believe that looking at the bible in a more scholarly manner may lead toward the idea that creationism may be a metaphor for evolution. I am just staring to look into this myself actually.. and I have begun to look at biblical stories such as adam and eve to find connections and clues about modern man's evolution.

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      Norine Williamsposted 20 months agoin reply to this

      Why do you think YOU'LL find the answer when man has tried for 2K+ years & unanswered? What other book has as many fulfilled prophecies as the Bible?Ecc8:17 [paraphrasing] "Man will continue to seek but will NEVER find out!"
      Why"waste time?"

    2. bdn9385 profile image70
      bdn9385posted 20 months agoin reply to this

      Why is it so hard to understand that none of us qualifies to know exactly the truth? The world and all its affairs and confusions exist only to serve the Lord our God who will in time reveal Himself to us. To be a saint is to have faith and patience

    3. Misfit Chick profile image72
      Misfit Chickposted 20 months agoin reply to this

      This is my biggest problem with Christians... The bible supposedly will tell us EVERYTHING we need to know: WHY THINK? Why look outside of it? Why believe brutal ancient priests under heavy influence of power-hungry, pagan rulers? Balance & Resea

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      Norine Williamsposted 20 months agoin reply to this

      "FAITH!"
      Why do we need to "think" when HE does it BETTER (Prov 3:5)?
      Who would I rather "TRUST," me, you, man or THE CREATOR?  What man hasn't LIED to u? What man has more knowledge? What man can do ANYTHING but FAIL?
      GOD v man? Simple!

    5. bdn9385 profile image70
      bdn9385posted 20 months agoin reply to this

      Cath, the Bible is not supposed to teach everything to all. In fact u r good to go without it. The Bible is a reserved Book for very few people handpicked by God. To some He gave herbs and grass to eat but the Bible is the pinnacle of Gods food 4 man

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      Norine Williamsposted 20 months agoin reply to this

      The point is; once you've acquired the "Communication Line" to HIM (aka Holy Spirit) HE "leads & guides" & we don't need Bible (Jer 31:34) but remembers what IT (aka HE/WORD) SAYS (Jn14:26"bring all thgs to ur remembrance")!

    7. bdn9385 profile image70
      bdn9385posted 20 months agoin reply to this

      True Norine, but when universe perishes, God's Bible remains because it is the Word of God and applies to all generations eternally. It is the Holy Grail of existence, multidimensional in meaning and w/ Christ, is the bearer and authority of God.

  46. jbosh1972 profile image95
    jbosh1972posted 20 months ago

    Personally, I believe in creation.  I believe in the sense of a divine intelligent consciousness created everything in the known universe.  I believe wholly that every living thing has this consciousness inside it.  Also, I believe all frequencies of electromagnetic waves are part of creation and hence "God" .  How else can 'God" be the alpha and Omega and be everywhere at once.

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      Norine Williamsposted 20 months agoin reply to this

      "I believe wholly that every living thing has this consciousness inside it."  Amen!
      READ Romans 1:18-25!

    2. iAuthor30 profile image61
      iAuthor30posted 20 months agoin reply to this

      "God is a spirit and those that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth." Amen. When a person is dead in a casket is their spirit present in their flesh?  That is a rhetorical question to consider concerning God being ominpresent.

    3. Misfit Chick profile image72
      Misfit Chickposted 20 months agoin reply to this

      The Kingdom of God is both within us and outside of us - there is NOTHING that is not 'spirit' - even a glass, molecules, atoms - and would include a dead body. The difference is whether 'consciousness' is present or not. Matter is made of energy.

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      Norine Williamsposted 20 months agoin reply to this

      Have you ever had a "guilty conscience" for wrong doing? Our "conscience" CONDEMNS our sin (Heb10:1-2)!  But "in Christ, (v10) "But we are SANCTIFIED THROUGH THE OFFERING OF THE BODY OF JESUS CHRIST ONCE FOR ALL!"
      CHRIST HAS DONE IT ALL!
      IICor5:8

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    JeetSinghDhamiposted 20 months ago

    Evolution vs Creationism is a heated topic. Here is my take on it having studied microbiology, biology, biochemistry, chemistry, evolution, and physics. Evolution fails in my opinion bc when sperm and egg come together both contribute a chromosome copy to the offspring reducing the chances of direct transmission of diseases and genetic mistakes incurred in he lifetime of the parent. In other words theirs a cleansing of the genetic stock, telomeres are replaced hence why cloned animals live only half as long as normal.
    Humans have been altering the genetic makeup of dogs for hundreds of years, dogs have yet to jump and move like cats. Some get close but the dog can never evolve to move and manipulate it's body through physical space like a feline. Dark dynasty is a dog breeder who has massively large pittbuls , he mixed in multiple different lineages of large dogs as well as pit bulls to attain a large bodied pitbull.

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    PeterStipposted 20 months ago

    Evolution is a theory tested again and again and proven right. From all different branches of science. You can see evolution in process and it's even directed by us humans. Like breeding dogs or Genetically Modified Organisms in Corn and Vegetables.
    Evolution is a scientific foundation that is just as thoroughly as the theory of relativity, probably even more. It explained how step by step life and animals changed over the years due to the fact that the best adopted plants and animals survive their habitat.
    Creation is a theory that does not explain much and it leaves a lot of questions open. Why, if something is created by a higher being does it get extinct? Why create it in the first place. Why do we have to procreate if everything was created. Creation is a fixed model and does not need procreation. Procreation is a complicated process opposite of the creation process. Who or what created this higher being in the first place?

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      Norine Williamsposted 20 months agoin reply to this

      A ‘plane of time’ has no starting point!  GOD (SPIRIT) is multi-dimensional and not confined to cause & effect as we are!  HE can travel anywhere in time & yet never had a beginning!

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      PeterStipposted 20 months agoin reply to this

      Time has a starting point. I am multidimensional too. Cause and effect is a tricky idea (QM). is God a He? We travel in time too. Time is a 2 way street in quantum mechanics.

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      Norine Williamsposted 20 months agoin reply to this

      Maybe in "QM" but not in Spirit (aka GOD)! HE is "alpha & omega" the beginning & the end" (Rev1:8)!
      "Is God a He?" GOD is a SPIRIT" (Jn4:23-24)! Gal 3:28 "There is neither MALE or FEMALE ...for ye are all ONE (Spirit) in Christ Jesus!"
      Think

  49. Kiss andTales profile image79
    Kiss andTalesposted 20 months ago

    I personally believe in creation , realistically  we have not seen anything evolve into anything from our own experience  accept peace that turns into war.
    Monkeys  are still what they are , Apes are still apes,
    Intelligence  of humans are always striving for answers , the animals they are limited in their field of existence.
    They can not and do not have schools to teach humans. They are captive in Zoos and can not voice their own release. Their instinct is of animal nature.
    Also scientists  have tried to cross breed only creating monstererous disasters that they are not proud of.
    To believe  in evolution  is taking the credit from the creator of all life.
    The scripture says with out doubt
    Isa 45:12
    "I made the earth and created man on it. I stretched out the heavens with my own hands, And I give orders to all their army.”
    Evolution makes no sense because organization is real,
    Meaning that the Sun and moon are clocked to benifit earth what did evolution have to do with this.
    Example also if you drop a box with a hundred spoons and folks with a big bang noise. What happens when they hit the floor?
    Will organization exist ? No!
    We all know forks and spoons and knives will mix and it would be a pile of mess.
    The earth is organized, our water system recyles, the sun and moon rise and lower at a pacific time.
    There is no way anything evolved .
    Our creator provided a living habitat for humans this is our home.
    And since he created us in his image we should use our gifts in thanking him to be alive. It possible another could have been you.

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      Norine Williamsposted 20 months agoin reply to this

      Amen!
      BUT "By the GRACE of GOD, there go I!"
      "But we believe that through the GRACE of the Lord Jesus Christ we shall be saved..." (Acts 15:11)!

    2. bdn9385 profile image70
      bdn9385posted 20 months agoin reply to this

      B4 smartphone is nokia. Prior computers r abacus. Kite b4 plane, sword b4 nuclear, chariot b4 tanks. Techniques evolve, intelligence accumulates and a son's DNA evolves his parent's. But mixing a Word from an Excel messes the program; diferrent story

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      Norine Williamsposted 20 months agoin reply to this

      NOT "diff story" but SAME SPIRIT who "Spoke to apostles whom HE had chosen via the Holy Spirit" (Acts 1:2)!  HE Promised HE would do that under the New Covenant in Jer31:31-34;Heb8:10;10:16! HIS "MO" has ALWAYS been operating in "GLORIES!"
      ALL SPIRIT

  50. stuff4kids profile image97
    stuff4kidsposted 20 months ago

    It's clear to me that while anything may be theoretically possible, based on  the available evidence and taking everything into account, evolution by natural selection is the most probable explanation of how the diversity of life came into being on this planet. I can't see any reason to subscribe to a belief in something less likely to be true.

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      Norine Williamsposted 20 months agoin reply to this

      And here is the answer exemplifying "Stuff4kids" who are immature in spirit yet wise in worldly knowledge (Rm1:25)!
      We have "choice" don't we (Josh24:15)?
      GOD vs man! 
      Ecc 8:17!

    2. gregas profile image83
      gregasposted 20 months agoin reply to this

      Yes Norine, we do have choice and it doesn't have to be YOUR choice.

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      Norine Williamsposted 20 months agoin reply to this

      Amen!

      I Cor 10:21 "Ye cannot drink the cup of the Lord, and the cup of devils: ye cannot be partakers of the Lord's table, and of the table of devils."
      YES!  "Choice" (Josh24:15)!
      Again, GOD vs man (Rm1:25)!

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      PeterStipposted 20 months agoin reply to this

      If Norine did not exist God did not exist.

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      Norine Williamsposted 20 months agoin reply to this

      I'M HERE; therefore HE EXISTS!

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