I can't help but notice that after a few bannings of prolific forum participants, the forum participation has dropped dramatically.
Gone are the days when I had around 3 pages of Hubbers Hangout topics to peruse, nowadays I just check the main forum page where there seems to be around three threads a day I find interest in, half a page of Obama hatin' posts and the usual clutter of religious propoganda/atheist attacks on religion.
I just feel it's a shame that so much entertainment seems to have gone from the forums, and I cannot help but think that maybe things would have been a little different if some people had not been dealt with in such a heavyhanded manner.
In the meantime maybe some kind of forum competition would help perk things back up around here! I know I have gone from checking the forums hourly, to twice daily, and I am sure there are many people like me who are just waiting for soemthing to perk up our forums again!
every universe has black holes, and Hubpages has one otherwise insignificant black hole that is slowly sucking the life out of everything, including any pleasure that would otherwise be afforded. too bad too, as decent posters who used to have fun and help keep things lively are slowly being snuffed out...HubPages ultimately decides who to protect and who to ignore and they get what they get, which is unfortunate.
Oh I dunno. I don't think that's quite fair. I'm sure they get alot of reports to sift through, and it has seemed to me that they are untypically pretty tolerant. DOn't know who got banned for what, though, so maybe I'm wrong.
I have avoided being banned, somehow, and a couple times I am sure I more than pushed the limits. I don't know. I miss a few people, not sure if they left on their own again or are banned, and if a couple of them are banned then I'm not exactly surprised.
Well, I got banned. But to be honest, it is the fact that life kicks me in the ass now and again to remind me that maybe I should be doing other things... Certainly the fact that Hubpages staff allow badgering, harassment, people with multiple identities for the purpose of tomfoolery, and numerous personal attackes that are not on topic is, I suspect, eventually going to lead to the decline of this site altogether. Mark my words. Still, they can always run a site based on fandom for Glenn Beck and Bollywood actress pics
In the marketplace of ideas one man's trash is another man's treasure. There's always something to talk about, if you can't find anything entertaining, you can always make a post yourself. If it really is entertaining, I think posters will find it and respond.
Well I see alot of people complaining about the nature of the religious forums. Which is silly, imho. Report those who you find offensive I guess, but it seems hypocritical to post threads bashing people for bashing people.
Though also imho all the "atheist attacks on religion" are highly overstated. Why is it nobody ever mentions the religionists attacks on atheism?
At any rate, maybe these complaints are what has prompted the crackdown. I didn't think bans lasted very long.
Then again, it seems to me that alot of the "drama" is outside of the religion forums. The religious forums are the ones I most frequent, and yet I never see any of the drama that I later see dramatically referred to in the hubbers hangout or such. So I can only assume that at least part of the problems do not stem from the religious forums.
Then again I don't really know, the drama doesn't really interest me, seems like school children squabbling over silly stuff, so I ignore it.
I've never been banned, yet I guess, but I've been trying to not spend too much time in the forums over the last couple of weeks, and will continue to try not to do so. Got other stuff to take care of.
It's going pretty good, but still remains very busy, finally managing to catch up on some work though!
In regards to the Teabaggers thing, just as many reputable sources have mentioned the other meaning of the word teabaggers, and personally I think it would be quite hilarious to have both meanings of the word side by side in the dictionary.
Oxford produces an American and an English dictionary.
I have Googled myself before, and found a depressing number of actual results rather than anything funny.
This was highlighted when I was picked out of the audience at Boom Chicago in Amsterdam (Boom Chicago = unscripted stand up comedy group., realy funny and would highly recommend to anyone who visits the weed filled city!)
Teabagger when used in a political discussion is not a reference to the sex act of the same name. It is accepted slang for tea party activists. Political teabaggers usually don't understand this, but then again there is much that is understood by the general populace that is not understood by teabaggers.
As far as I can see the forums have little purpose or appeal anymore.
The HP staff are notable only by their absence whilst anybody with even the slightest hint of a sense of humour is rapidly banned for some trivial reason, leaving only those who wish to convince others that homsexuals and other 'deviants' should be burnt at the stake.
Its definitely slowed down... but I keep seeing from those that have been around awhile that it all runs in cycles. And, as others have mentioned... it is spring. That always slows down the indoor activities.
I'd suggest some sort of battle of wits forum competition... but it seems the unarmed get offended rather quickly, and things just spiral in a generally negative direction.
Maybe we need a few extra smilies... Like one holding a sign saying "I'm joking." Or another with a big button that says "my sense of humor doesn't translate well via a keyboard." Or, perhaps just a big language bubble saying "Na na na na boo boo" for when one of us (myself included) can't seem to muster an appropriate retort.
It's totally cyclical. The seasons mark the changes, then new people show up; you get a few personalities that keep it engaging show up; and the forums get lively, little "cliques" form, it's very happy for a time but then the same debates that always fill the forums get tired for the new people after having them 100 times, the new drama queens get annoying again, and it begins to wane... rinse and repeat. It's kind of like every year HubPages recasts the same forum play, and we get to watch it again with different actors doing the exact same stuff.
The upside is, out of each batch, some cool new members of the more enduring community actually do arrive.
I too have noticed the 'forum drought'. Truthfully, I get tired of the high drama all the time. It gets ridiculous sometimes. I got outta Jr High in 1973. Sometimes I think I'm back there again when I get involved in some of the mud-slinging threads. Oops! Gotta pinch myself and remind me "I'm an adult...words can't hurt me...."
I only used to like talking about the uses, functions, and money making potential of hubpages and other sites. SEO, backlinking, etc etc.
Now there are either nobody who wants to talk about it, or a bunch of idiots who think that they can dish out advice left, right, and centre to anybody who will listen on the basis that they have made $20.
Sorry to sound harsh, but its true, if I had joined hubpages this month I would not be here. The best of the bunch have been driven away by the tiresome drivel which is spouted on here on a daily basis by people who have just joined this site to gatecrash the forum and antagonise as many people as they can.
For me, there is nothing left in this forum which appeals to me, I am an occassional lurker... I start the occassional thread.... but often it just makes me yawn. To be honest, asides from a dozen or so people, I didn't really miss this place during my 3 month exile.
I know Ryan... but the forums are not sooo bad...there are still occasional good moments here... and some amazing people still around! (actually many are here in this thread!)...but I respect your view and quite understand the frustration too...still, all's not lost...
oh stop it! You know I consider you a good friend here... honestly, you still make these forums fun... worth something...really. And I'm dead serious now. keep smiling... you make many of us smile with your words...never change! see you around..
I can't understand why so many people say "the forums are no fun" and then so many others are all.."they are too silly, not enough usefull information" and really, you can have a nice happy productive hub life without ever going into the forums.
I like to pop in here and there, maybe have a laugh or two, say hi to some other people. A mild distraction from my unendingly boring and unrelenting life...
Sometimes I get ideas of things to write about amongst the arguements. And if I had a specific question I know there are threads for that too. I dont really see th epoin in getting all heated up about forums. It is what you make it.
ok. well..of course everyone has thier own personal everything and differences. life would be super lame if that were not true.
I meant....I see tons of "forums are not fun" complaints and then alot of "everybodys is too silly" complaints and I think that if a perosn doesnt like what they are seeing they can switch to antoher thread, or soemthing like that.
I fully agree. I like a mix of silly and serious and I find it here. When the serious gets too much or I don't have the time for involved discussions, I seek out the silly. If what I am looking for isn't here, I look elsewhere.
As an aside, I would just like to point out that his was a rude and insulting generalization, a judgement on an entire group of people, and it DIDN'T happen in the religious or political forums.
No, not everybody needs the money. I feel that perhaps I need to clarify, I said in some form or another that the reason why I don't participate much in the forum is because it no longer provides a great deal of threads to my taste. Everybody elses needs or wants are irrelevant to that statement, I was talking for myself, not for a group.
Heh if you live in austin I am actually givng out free sessions at the moment!
I have a website called Traffic to my blog which I am slowly piecing together, you can sign up for email updates there, when I post new articles it will keep you up to date, and over the course of a few months I will be putting some pretty good articles up about the world of SEO!
I agree. I have learned quite a bit from other people's questions. I have not really had any questions on this subject as of yet. I am still studying backlinking. There are some people here that have great hubs on the subject, yourself included. You have a great hub on backlinks.
The reason for the change in the forums is because many of the more interesting hubbers get banned, in my time on these pages it started with theirishobserver, then every day someone would dissapear, the last being china man. The reasons vary but inevitably involve a few people in the religious forums who appear to orchestrate the use of the report button at the same time to get rid of opponents who are clearly winning the day. The other group hitting the report button are the trolls who make a group on here but are maybe two people, maybe even just one.
I have no idea what the troll idea agenda is but I do know that their activities, and the small group on the religion forum who seem to find it funny to win by getting someone banned, are counter productive to everything these forums might be about.
I can't believe that hubpages staff can't see this, I also find it hard to believe that they are not in a position to know or find out who is who. They are being heavy handed about applying the rules to interesting colourful posters who make it worth coming to these forums and do nothing about the trolls etc who are slowly destroying these forums, but who stay just within the 'rules'.
I now have a troll posting rude comments on my hubs every day that I have to go clean out. I can't see myself doing this for much longer, it makes being here uninteresting.
they are not acted on because i don't report. I reported once with no result and when I asked why was told hubpages staff are 'watching' and if . . . - If in fact they were watching they would have stopped the nuisance before it spawned several more characters.
I have complained about it leaving derogatory messages on my hubs and I expect that to be acted on properly. eventually. maybe.
the same thing happens to me. some people simply are incapable of self-restraint in any capacity. they follow you to your sanctuary, your hubs, and attack you there, not only leaving sh***y comments but rating them down. meanwhile, you never visit their profile or read their hubs. in fact, you (editorial you) have no interest in their writings. and they are too cowardly to do it as themselves, so they do it under a troll account. my comments boxes are so heavily moderated i am surprised i get any comments on them at all. i was told to 'ignore it'. 'k, did that. then i was told after they leave three or more comments (the same IP) to report it. then what? are they seriously going to ban these people from this site forever? i doubt it.
so i fight back the only way i can, by exposing the little creeps.
a girl's gotta do sumthin'
i don't know why anyone would leave you mean comments you're brand-new.
there's a lot of icky people running around loose, i have to say.
Some people only accept the happy-happy, joy-joy, praise be, "you are great" type comments, and they reject everything else that doesn't relate to their fictitious sense of reality and asinine actuality; I know what ya mean...
"The reasons vary but inevitably involve a few people in the religious forums who appear to orchestrate the use of the report button at the same time to get rid of opponents who are clearly winning the day."
you guys, bans are only for the forums. No one got banned from HP itslef. I think? anyway, if you get banned its 3 days. Thats it unless you push the issue. I dont really think many people leave HP altogether due to a 3 day forum ban. Maybe they jsut put more time in to hubs is all.
Yahoo just got beat, however I do think that maybe a community manager would not be a bad person to have on the Hubpages staff, it would need to be someone with pretty neutral views on as many subjects as possible though.
It would just be nice to have someone making decisions which weed out the antagonists, and not cut down the promising writers on the site!
I think the reason (other than meaningless questions) there is a drought on the forums is that there are these little cliques of people who ignore anyone else who comes along to post a comment -and some who are actually quite rude to people mainly because their too ignorant to understand what's being said. Well, just sayin' (not anyone here, of course!
and now I'm being ignored! so maybe I will threaten to leave the forums or I will accuse somebody of something or other or I will say that my dog has to have an operation or I will claim that my father always hated me or that thisisoli is a crossdresser or that the HubTribe is dead or something! or perhaps I will just go cook supper!
I'm impressed! I was just checking to see if anyone actually reads the posts above them? cuz sometimes it just seems like we're all talking to a different wall? and we're, like, wandering around in a big white room without even a sandwich, mumbling up our sleeves.
but don't mind me, I have sandwiches on my mind , so yeh!
and its just terrible this drought we're havin - isn't it?
Getting something going to encourage participation is always a good idea, but I have a feeling the apparent drought isn't so much related to anyone being banned, as it might be from people getting fed up with a lot of what's gone on in recent weeks/months (more than usual).
There used to be a wide variety of types of threads - from silly banter to attempts at serious discussions to those about writing on HubPages. The majority of posts seemed to be made by people everyone else knew. Then, though, it seemed (based on comments made here) that a lot of people just got fed up and gave up.
I think as new people show up and participate, and as some of the "oldies" dribble back in (even if only here or there), in time things will pick up again. I just think a lot that's gone on recently took the forums to some place they weren't before, and it will take a little time (not much, I'm guessing) for things to become "appealing" again to a lot of people. I seldom have any idea of who gets banned or why (unless I happen to run into a thread about it), but I agree that some people are a little too quick to take some "questionable" remark too seriously. Then again, some things I can understand being banned. I'm not sure I'm blame the "banners", though. I think it's kind of a matter of the "dynamics of human nature" that go on in any group, and those dynamics will kick back, resorted and reorganized, in another while.
Like I said, it's just the nature of forums. You go to any forum on the internet, and it's the same thing. People come and go, it's a fact. Just enjoy the relationships you make on the way.. and if there's an interesting topic, don't be afraid to join in - better yet, make your own.
You know what I find interesting? I find it very interesting how we can basically talk about how bored we all are and how its the fault of trolls for so looooooooong? how is that? huh ? that we never tire of our own drivel? I'm possibly the worst at this - I can drone on and on like, now, yu know? basically saying nothing, nada, zip, zilch? and how come? I really want to know - why? why are we doing this?
You want the truth? Most do it in hopes of making money on the hubs. Other's because they love their keyboards and some other's are brushing up on their writing skills. I have more reasons, however, I will hold them to myself!
Yes, well, ahem, speaking of Google, nothing shows that company's brilliance more than their ability to get milions of people chasing after, what, 47 cents per day...AND REJOICING WHEN THEY GET IT. And people think Barack Obama is steering you into One World Government
nope - I live with someone who is, which makes me kinda shut-in here with him - I'm a caregiver. But I meant going somewhere else online with my hubs and my witticisms in the forums etc. This is a communication lifeline for me = gives me an illusion of still being in the world. I depend on it for human contact, in other words.
I just think we all exagerrate the immensity of these harangues in the forums and I'm always shocked when people get angry with each other. Looking back on the several arguements I've witnessed I can't recall really what they were about, you know?
I don't know about the meanness to people on their hubs - I'm sure its more than bothersome, but as with all abuse of any kind - you CAN do something about it other than leave HP, can't you? if not, then that there IS a reason to leave, we need to get some protection in exchange for giving what amounts to nearly free writing (from most of us)
But I just want to talk about something else for a change, so I'm not coming back to this thread. and this time I MEAN it! so you'll have to find me in the hijack thread or in the trib or somewhere! I am not leaving HP, not yet!
I winked at the end of that question, mega1. You know -----> <------ in case you forgot, that's a wink! I knew what you meant by shut in. Glad your not leaving, I look forward to and enjoy your flavor of humor. Laugh after laugh, you deliver the goods. I love that fighting, knock out punch line you always have handy, ya know? So glad your not leaving. <------ see? No wink this time!
I always feel bad when the nice hubbers like Cosette get so much grief. I actually feel rather annoyed when cetain forum members resort to such pettiness, it really puts me off the community aspect of the site.
Cosette is one of very few hubbers who intermittently has a score of 100. If Hubpages are not going to look after their best members, its days will be numbered. One day one of these sharks is going to take things offline (by which I mean offsite, not offline) with the wrong person; then lawsuits will fly, and that will be the end of this little cyber-experiment. Just watch.
well i'm of two minds regarding this issue. on the one hand, i would leave this entire site behind, not just the forum, except for the fact that i need my body of work. i can't walk away from something and leave it there. if i go - it goes, why should i retain my work on a site if i am unhappy with the site? they should get no benefit from it at all. when i am done with something i am done with it, full stop.
on the other hand, if we exit a site, then the trolls have won, and are dancing with glee in their little pointy boots.
Trolls never win. It is the First Law of Norwegian Folklore. The reason is that they clearly lost BEFORE they commenced their activities as a troll. I mean, who spends their days trolling websites. There's a word for people like that. It begins with 'L' and indeed is connected to the idea of 'being one who loses'.
It is infuriating that people like, well, me, get banned. And I'm not the only one I can't figure out the reason they got banned -- while others get away with bloody murder. This place is on its last legs if you ask me
i am turning off my hubpages mail and my profile mail and just ignoring this for a while i dont know what else to do. these little thugs can have this place im sick to death of their little games and thuggery. is that a word?
i don't know either. i really don't. you are the last person i would ever think would be banned.
i don't know
maybe someone can help me with my little dilemma
see, i don't enjoy coming here anymore. and i am not the only one. and some are real quality hubbers.
as i said i can't tear down my hubs, as i need the body of work. i tried to save one as a web page but it wouldn't open, so that won't work. i can't ignore all of my hubs, as they get comments and so i am tied to them, and this site, by default. but after getting nasty comments on benign hubs and seeing really good hubs score drop drastically, i get a little knot in my tummy when i log on going 'hmm what will be there today'...and i fight back by exposing them or by expressing my feelings in posts but then i ask myself how is this a productive use of my time and energies?
it's not. i know it's not. i don't push, but i DO push back. there is a difference.
it's real easy for people to say over and over 'just ignore it' when they are not the ones being nibbled on.
anyway sorry Oli for getting off on a tangent but this is kind of what this thread is about. there's a bad feeling all over this forum now and it makes me wonder how long this problem will be ignored and how long a few individuals will be allowed to harrass other members before they do something.
It's definately on point, because it is highlighting the fact that some of the most popular and well versed hubbers are feeling that this writing environment is no longer one they want to be a part of.
For me it is not such a big deal - I am primarily here to make money. I do like to partake in the forums when I have chance though, and it is a shame that whenever I get around to it, it seems that more of the people who could converse and debate most fluently have disappeared, and the hubbers I most enjoyed reading are feeling disheartened.
Relache - Good point, I forgot about Maddie's title, although I was thinking someone who's role was to interact with the forum and keep an eye on the troublemakers. i am guessing the role Maddie takes is much more broadly based!
Cosette, I'm so sorry people are transferring their nastiness on to your Hubs. That's seriously out of line!
I don't think there is a bad feeling "all over this forum" now. The trouble is, it's the threads where people are insulting each other which are most visible - they're always at the top of the latest posts. Trying to ignore them is hard, I agree.
As has beeen suggested several times, if they put the forums back to the way they were, where the latest posts weren't all displayed together like that, I reckon half the problems would go away. I'm beginning to think HubPages likes having all the conflict!
This not only seriously out of line it is commercially damaging.
It also results in people leaving and going to a simple blog or other site where the lesser endowed creatures who indulge in this kind of behaviour have no effect. But this also unfortunately deprives us of a good talking ground to try out ideas and opinions, along with good hubbers.
Cosette, do what you will.. but I'll say this, if you let whoever it is that's bugging you get to you, well, you've already lost the battle. They've won. Think of it this way: they are just random people with a keyboard. Until you start forming real relationships with them they are just that. Real, meaning, you go out with them, hang out, drink beer, shoot pool, pick up hot chicks..er.. guys. You get the point. It doesn't matter.. In fact, it's just plain silly to get upset over some meaningless words. Still, that's besides the point.
But yeah, I understand that you want to save your work. There's a lot of ways to do that. What I do is this: After I've published an article and can see that it's doing fairly well then I'll print the article off into a PDF file. If I ever decide to move it to my own domain then I already have it all typed up and ready to go. The only thing I need are the pictures, which I always store on a zip drive for later use anyway.
The point is, if you're tired of Hubpages, that's fine. Pick up and move on, that's your right. If you're going to stay, then stay. Make up your mind one way or another, and get on with life. Just remember this though, your attitude about things affects everything you do. In reality, it has nothing to do with anyone else but yourself. You can't change another person, all you can do is make a change in yourself - that means, if you have to ignore that person, so be it.
Wow! You guys have been busy... so much for the "drought." I think Oli may have personally stopped it with this one thread.
Accusations, Apologies and Angry Pirates... Not to mention a love fest, expected babies, father's day worries, mentions of sockpuppets, longing for SEO topics and of course, the definition of Teabagging. And, I got fed up trying to catch up on Page 6.
I think its interesting to go back and see if we were any more interesting 4 weeks ago. Well, no, but what did I expect? The drought continues - we have all pretty much dried up, unless you want to go talk about Christianity or bananas.
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