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Ericdierkerposted 8 years ago
Can a normal human rightfully claim that their interpretation of the Bible is the only correct one?

Can this notion of "I am right and you are wrong" really exist in a healthy Christian? I am beginning to think that it cannot. It is becoming a little obvious that those who proclaim their truth to be true for all others are just a little unbalanced. What do you think?
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RTalloniposted 8 years ago
It's not a matter of what any one person says or thinks. The solution is to allow Scripture to speak for itself. It's not a shallow study and it can only truly begin by faith in dependance on God. A help comes from the body of work that has stood the test of time done by people who have earnestly studied His Word and allowed their work to be evaluated by peers–iron sharpening iron, so to speak. Rightly dividing the Word of truth requires diligence, as we are told in 2 Timothy.
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  Ericdierkerposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  I like your notion of peer review. I sure do treasure my buddies that keep me from getting too far out their.
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  Norine Williamsposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  You're RIGHT RT! Everyone wants to "talk," but no one wants to READ His WORD! Without READING, they have no "iron to sharpen iron" yet continue to elaborate & voice "their opinion!" Are they really that "ignorant" to listen to pastors?
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  RTalloniposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  While all are not what they should be, many pastors are faithful to the Word, Heb. 5:14. Humble, kind, and patient, these exemplify His strong but gentle compassion in the way they reach out to others with God's Word, 1 Tim. 2:1-6, 2 Tim. 2:25-26.
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  Norine Williamsposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  "I would not have you "ignorant" brethren..." (I Thess 4:13)! Sounds like "meekness?" He's talking to Believers! JESUS tore up Temple on unbelievers! Angers me Bible is there for ALL but too LAZY to READ! Just keep "foolishly" talking voicing "their
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  Faith Reaperposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  Yes, His truth, the Word of God, stands on its own. I agree too with your statement about it can only truly begin by faith in dependence on God.
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  Norine Williamsposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  It does "stand alone," but one MUST consider the "Chain of Events" or belief will be "twisted!"
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  JoX the Bobtistposted 7 years agoin reply to this
  @Norine Williams wrote :"(I Thess 4:13)!....He's talking to Believers! JESUS....Angers me Bible is there for ALL but too LAZY to READ!"
  First verse says this is from Paul, Silas, and Timothy, not He/Jesus. Speaking of being too lazy to read....
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  Norine Williamsposted 7 years agoin reply to this
  If u knew WORD u would know JESUS was speaking thru Paul as He did w/the Prophets (Jer 31:33;Heb8:10;10:16) "putting His law in his heart & mind!" JESUS talked thru Paul (II Tim 3:16)!
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  Edwinoel Tanglaoposted 7 years agoin reply to this
  How can scripture speak for it self, literally or in metaphor? This is where confusion may come among opinionated interpretations. The one who possesses God's Spirit comes the pureness of his soul, God's spirit is revealed in truth.
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  Norine Williamsposted 7 years agoin reply to this
  Scripture (WORD=GOD=JESUS=HOLY SPIRIT) is ALIVE & "speaks for HIMSELF!"
  IF one "WAITED" HE SPEAKS to you and "REVEALS" TRUTH in HIS WORD!
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  Edwinoel Tanglaoposted 7 years agoin reply to this
  Due diligence is always with d help of d HS, without Him we cannot think right, with love n light. Without Him darkness may rule the mind, the comes corruption. Unless healed by d light (word) and cleansed by d blood of d Lamb, no truth is in Him.
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  Norine Williamsposted 7 years agoin reply to this
  When WORD is given "truth" is in me! I say Gal 1:6-9 "any other gospel"="ACCURSED!" I didn't say IT GOD did! GOD said Paul "vessel" (Acts 9:15) "put laws in heart & mind" (Jer 31:33) Spoke thru Paul & told us what to do for SALVATION! Diff=
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  Kiss andTalesposted 7 years agoin reply to this
  example the mail carriers, we are similar.We deliver, its not our job to open your mail or to read it.
  Thats your job.We do not follow mail carriers just because they deliver. carriers do not expect any one to follow them. Your mail is your buisness
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  Norine Williamsposted 7 years agoin reply to this
  When GOD tells u to open ltr, u BETTER open!Rm10:14-15 "How then shall they call on him n whom they have not blv'd? & how shall they blv in him of whom they have not heard? & how shall they hear w/o a preacher? & how shall they preach exc
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lawrence01posted 8 years ago
Eric
I'd agree with you on this, but I can already hear the 'howls of protest' you're going to get.
I think that there are some things that are 'irrefutable'' and do not change like the redeeming work of Jesus and the work of the Holy Spirit in our lives (the fact he does) but some things are deliberately left open and as I'm writing this I wonder if he didn't do that to see if we could handle his new command 'to love one another' what do you think?
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  Ericdierkerposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  Really cool Lawrence, as I read this I came to see that much in life is a test. Not a me against you test, not a competition but rather a test in confidence in faith.
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  Norine Williamsposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  Are you all so "ignorant" of His WORD? Love "ignorance?" Did JESUS? The Bible has been written for ALL but u guys act like nothing's in IT! Have you READ? All say "love," but don't know what that is (Jn 21:15-17)! U don't love JESUS r u would READ
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  lawrence01posted 8 years agoin reply to this
  Norine
  I've read the Bible thru at least once a year for 30 years! I think I know what it says! Have you? (And I mean even the hard parts of the OT!).
  You may think you have the monopoly on truth but remember Jesus prayer in John 17 please
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  Norine Williamsposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  Grt Law! Then u no Jesus came, sent Holy Spirit to HELP, anointed Paul to talk for Him, & we now "Worship n Spirit" under New Covenant! With that being said, if u WAITED ur "revelation" should be SAME as mine (ONE SPIRIT) & "love" is automa
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  lawrence01posted 8 years agoin reply to this
  As I said. Some things are unchanging like Christ's work on Calvary and his Deity etc.
  Some things he leaves for us to work out like do we want the gifts of the Spirit (for me , yes please) not all Christians accept them. That's what I mean.
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  Norine Williamsposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  Did u accept Law? If so, we should have THAT SAME SPIRIT! Again, since u've read, did Christ not die, sent HS, anointed Paul to talk thru him (vessel), & we NOW live under New Covenant? If so, we should have THAT SAME SPIRIT w/no mistakes, RIGH
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  lawrence01posted 8 years agoin reply to this
  I agree. But with some things left for us to choose or work out (Proverbs 25 verse 2 and Deut 29 verse 29). Classic is how many gifts are there? some say 9 others teach from other lists in the Bible there are 27!
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  Norine Williamsposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  No Law! When "we choose" or "work out" the Holy Spirit allows one to do so and "we" mess up "thinking we can do it better!" Belief becomes "twisted" & not as Holy Spirit (JESUS) says! "Cast your cares on Him! Results "accurate!" Not "ur" interpr
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  lawrence01posted 8 years agoin reply to this
  Glory of God or glory of Kings? I know which I want! but I can still show what Jesus wants (love and understanding) to those choosing the glory of Kings!
  God loves us, that's why he wants us to think things through and come to our own conclusions
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  Ericdierkerposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  Interesting concept Norine. You have also been given the authority and interpretation of law?
  Wow there is no area in which you are not blessed -- or maybe not?
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  Norine Williamsposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  Law: HE doesn't want us to "think things out" or HE wouldn't have told us to "Lean not to our OWN understanding" (Proverbs 3:5)!
  Eric: That's the man's name Law short for Lawrence! No rm to spell out entire name!
  TOO MUCH "CARNAL" V "SPIRITUAL"
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  lawrence01posted 8 years agoin reply to this
  Norine I can see where you're coming from but that's with regard to salvation!. That's why I put the two other scriptures in, that there are things for us to figure out, that's also why Jesus used parables.
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  Norine Williamsposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  Law: Prov 25:2 "kings" King of the Jews (JESUS) sent HS to HELP (Jn 14:26;16:13).Deut 29:29 "revelation belong to us" via HS! Rm 8:1-14. "Not by works" ("figure out"), lest any man should boast" (Eph 2:9)!
  The HOLY SPIRIT does it ALL! No mistakes!
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  Edwinoel Tanglaoposted 7 years agoin reply to this
  Amen, the fullness of the law of God is to love in truth, God and of others, even to love your enemies. Believing in Jesus in 'true faith' comes love for the poor and the astray, that more may be saved believing n sharing what is true in d gospel.
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  Norine Williamsposted 7 years agoin reply to this
  Being "ANOINTED" with the Holy Spirit gives us the by-product of "love" (Lev 19:17) as GOD intended!
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  jonnycomelatelyposted 7 years agoin reply to this
  Norine, what is your aim here? A few converts to present to St. Peter when you approach the Pearly Gates? Better have all your papers and credentials in place... you might be evicted.
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  Norine Williamsposted 7 years agoin reply to this
  Believer vs. Unbeliever? Who stands better chance?
  I least I have "hope!"
  And you?
  Provide the book?
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  jonnycomelatelyposted 7 years agoin reply to this
  As an unbeliever, I have a better chance of using my life in a way that gives benefit, joy and satisfaction to others as well as my self.
  Since there is no consciousness for me after death, now must be the time for full consciousness.
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  Ericdierkerposted 7 years agoin reply to this
  Alan, let me wax philosophical, -- are you sure you are not dead? I am not contained in a vessel. I am not inside a thing. Too deep for words.
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  Norine Williamsposted 7 years agoin reply to this
  Jon: You said it "myself!" Pleasing "self" is ungodly!
  Rm 8:8 "So then they that are in the flesh cannot please GOD."
  What say thee?
  Eric: If "IN CHRIST" u r "contained in a vessel" (Spirit)!
  Remove "your thinking" & rely on WORD!
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  Edwinoel Tanglaoposted 7 years agoin reply to this
  Obedience 2 God s pureness in one's heart, in God's law of Love, and to love in truth. I can see man's pride, they can't boast I Jesus, but of 'self,' it's insecurity 2 b governed by their stomach n death - I still pray 4 hope in light that heals
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  Norine Williamsposted 7 years agoin reply to this
  Ed: I pray you are delivered fm the "Catholic Faith!" The Book of Hebrews condemns their doctrine! I Cor 1:13 condemns their belief in Trinity by asking "IS CHRIST DIVIDED?"
  II Tim 2:15 asks you to "STUDY" for yourself, yet you follow "Catholics
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  Edwinoel Tanglaoposted 7 years agoin reply to this
  The truth lies in r Spirit, Norine, never in our heart, soul or mind. Saint Peter a d apostles best understood ol these as Christ's dis'ples. Their love 4 Jesus saw their very imperfection w/in their souls. Humbled, they repented, b/blood cleansed
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  Norine Williamsposted 7 years agoin reply to this
  "Pure HEART" (Matt 5:8) creates Spirit of Christ and shall "see GOD!"
  Don't let "Catholic Faith" deceive you! "STUDY" (II Tim 2:15)!
  What man has "established" as a RELIGION defies WORD!
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KingdomComeposted 8 years ago
It's only when the Holy Spirit provides interpretation does the heart begin to understand.

There is no another way.
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  Ericdierkerposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  But do you think that Holy Spirit treats us and teaches us all the same, or it is not the Holy Spirit?
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  lawrence01posted 8 years agoin reply to this
  Eric
  There comes a time when we stop 'spoon feeding' our kids. I think the HS does the same, he gives us the basics but once past that he allows us to figure some things out!
  Those are my thoughts.
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  Norine Williamsposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  Eric: Yes, we are to be of the SAME MIND "if" IN CHRIST JESUS! The Holy Spirit will not tell one something diff fm another! He is ONE Spirit w/SAME MIND (I Cor 1:10Phil 2:5)! READ!
  Law: Not True!
  Heb 13:5 "I will never leave you are forsake you!
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  Ericdierkerposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  So Norine you think that being of one mind means we literally all think the same?
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  Norine Williamsposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  Eric, if you would READ vs "talking," you would see, GOD is a ONE MINDED SPIRIT! IF He's in you, you have the SAME MIND (Phil 2:5)! He didn't say "let this mind be in Norine & another in Eric!"
  READ sometime!
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  jonnycomelatelyposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  Reprimand is obviously the Order of the Day here.
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  Norine Williamsposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  Jon: YOU still letting that "thing" (demon) control u? Grow up! Take YOUR LIFE back! YOU should display control, not him! Or do u like being about "your father's" business (Jn 8:44)? It appears u do since u "stalk" me everywhere I go!
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  jonnycomelatelyposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  Peace, Norine. I don't manage to get a trip to the theater these days, I live too far out of town. But following yourself is as good as, if not better than, going to see a comedy show. It's just a matter of finding out where you perform.
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  Ericdierkerposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  Wow Norine you help prove evolution. This is clearly Neanderthal: He didn't say "let this mind be in Norine & another in Eric!"
  Rest assured your mind is not in mine.
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  Norine Williamsposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  That's because you don't care what's in WORD and just pick out all the "love" Scriptures! If GOD only "loves," why is there a hell or lake of fire? To keep you warm with all of that "love?"
  Jon: (Satan) Not worth response!
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  Edwinoel Tanglaoposted 7 years agoin reply to this
  Again Eric/KC, Matthew 5:8 tells us how d Holy Spirit may reveal Himself 2 us through Christ. No malice, no pride, nothing evil or accursed may corrupt our minds, for in God's Kingdom comes d everlasting light, nothing accursed may enter- pure n holy
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  Norine Williamsposted 7 years agoin reply to this
  Ed: Follow the "Chain of Events" in Scripture which shows we CURRENTLY live under New Covenant & should "OBSERVE" disciples (Matt 28:20) for SALVATION!
  Otherwise, Gal 1:6-9 applies "ACCURSED!"
  "STUDY" (II Tim 2:15) asking Holy Spirit for "rev
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  Edwinoel Tanglaoposted 7 years agoin reply to this
  Norine, as we pray for one another, see the Spirit of love in ur heart, events that happen r history, made meaningless ov time. See d signs fr God in r Sp of truth, fr images in d heavens we c window of r sp, in rev n 'divine logic' we best know
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  Norine Williamsposted 7 years agoin reply to this
  Ed: "events that happen r history?" Not in JESUS! HS "reveals" understanding in HIS WORD-SAME MIND/W/SAME TRUTH! "Catholic Faith" errs! NEW COVENANT in effect! Sent HS (POWER;Acts 1:8) to HELP us become ONE MIND following disciples (Matt 28:20)!
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  jonnycomelatelyposted 7 years agoin reply to this
  Norine/Lois, you are so rude to people. Is that how you suppose your Idol Jesus would have addressed people?
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  Norine Williamsposted 7 years agoin reply to this
  TRUTH is LOVE!
  Why don't you READ how HE displayed LOVE (Matthew 21:12-13)! At least I've not become "physical" rather give TRUTH w/HIS WORD which "cuts" (Heb 4:12)!
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  jonnycomelatelyposted 7 years agoin reply to this
  In the light of Eric's original question here, he is asking about a "normal human." Can you answer the question honestly regarding yourself, Lois?
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  Norine Williamsposted 7 years agoin reply to this
  Who's Lois?
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  Edwinoel Tanglaoposted 7 years agoin reply to this
  Amen KC God bless ur ways to d lighted path, where truth in the covenant of God is in d blood of Christ, it cleanses d soul n may reveal in u the truth in God's words with Christ in you. 'Thy will be done thy Kingdom come on earth as is is in heaven'
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  Norine Williamsposted 7 years agoin reply to this
  Ed: The "Holy Spirit" would NOT tell you to "IGNORE" HIS WORD (Hebrews)! Then why do you think you're "IN CHRIST" & DENY HIS WORD? We have to BELIEVE "ALL" not just "cherry pick" for FALSE DOCTRINE! I Cor 10:20;11:20!
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manatita44posted 8 years ago
I think I know what or who you mean and smile, Bro. What took you so long to find out? Ha ha.

They can claim so, yes and many do, even from other Faiths and branches within Christianity too. We all live in different Apartments and it is up to them to tell us what is in their houses. We know what is in ours, or each one knows. They do not have to be the same.

One day I may lend you a vacuum cleaner, and another day you may lend me your grass-cutter. Problem is that some are stuck in narrowness; self-sufficiency; separativity; boxes....God has never been found in Isolation; division; narrow confines.

Still, I will let them grow in their own way. Sometimes, I see you seemingly battling it out with some people, and I know that you will never convince them. Better to practice 'silent Love.' We are servants, not converts. Again there is always the risk that we may assist in creating the very thing that we set out to avoid. Conflict or separation.

So give them their space. But yes, I know what you mean. So many of us use the intellect! We forget the purity and innocence of the child; we read the beatitudes and yet fail too interpret its beauty; universality and fragrance, like a garden of beautiful flowers. We have forgotten how to smell the roses. Much Love, my dear Brother.
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  Ericdierkerposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  A marvelous comment that I will take to heart. A great thing to have the spirit and the intellect to engage or not.
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  manatita44posted 8 years agoin reply to this
  Yes. Without prudence they will drain our energy; take us down to their own levels. Again, they are God's children, not ours. We should do our duty, yes, but surrendering the results to a Higher Authority. Much Love.
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  Ericdierkerposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  Yep. You speak a good truth friend. I shall meditate on it.
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  Norine Williamsposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  Either you guys don't believe GOD (Bible) or think there are diff highways to get to HIM when He's said ONE LORD, ONE faith, ONE Baptism (Eph 4:4-6)! and you will "be "ACCURSED" if u preach any other gospel" (Gal 1:6-9)! Bible is God's WORD so...
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  jonnycomelatelyposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  manatita44, you speak with great wisdom, proven in practice instead of ranter.
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  Norine Williamsposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  He sure does "Wisdom of the world!" He uses "intellect," knows what "his," don't have to serve SAME GOD, don't think GOD is "confining," isolated," or divides!" Don't know WORD (or use) just pitiful man made "love!" Yup! He's "brilliant" 2 man!
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  Edwinoel Tanglaoposted 7 years agoin reply to this
  Silent love is not what God may want us to do, for He has given us the breathe of life to seek God's Kingdom and His righteousness to save us from sin and evil. Spreading what is true in the gospel makes us one with Him in the light of truth.
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  Norine Williamsposted 7 years agoin reply to this
  "Teach all nations" (Matt 28:20), How can you obey "silently?"
  
  I Tim 5:20!
  
  Another "love" Christian said this!
  
  Another "love" Christian said this!
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  celafoeposted 7 years agoin reply to this
  silent love is NOT OF GOD. it is a product of the minds of unstable men. you say you "love" everyone but you do not love enough t give scriptural correction. if you do not have enough love to follow scripture you are not of God.
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  Edwinoel Tanglaoposted 7 years agoin reply to this
  Amen. 8 Beatitudes lead us to God's heavenly Kingdom Manatita44, it can be experienced revealed by God to you, as He may allow, for He knows what is in your heart. But silent love is passive love, blessed are we n family 2 spread d gospel of truth.
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  Norine Williamsposted 7 years agoin reply to this
  Man worships "idol gods" in "love" & thinks he serves the CREATOR when HE told us "Thou shalt have NO OTHER gods BEFORE me" (Exd 20:3)!
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  Edwinoel Tanglaoposted 7 years agoin reply to this
  Sin of omission is doing wat good u are supposed to do but did not care 2 do, similar to James 4:17, it's spreading d light of truth manatita44, n ol who may need 2 seek guidance fr d HS, for d perfection of r love in Christ - 2 love in Truth no fear
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  Norine Williamsposted 7 years agoin reply to this
  READ HUB - I HATE ALL RELIGIONS!
  READ HEBREWS!
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  Kiss andTalesposted 7 years agoin reply to this
  No carrier is saying You better open that letter. That is not the carriers business. That message in a letter is yours to accept or decline . people mix this up. we have already done the delivery. Its up to you what you do with the message.
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  Norine Williamsposted 7 years agoin reply to this
  How r we to "make disciples" r "teach" w/o giving WORD? Is 8:20 "..if they speak not according to this word, it's because there's no light n them."
  WORD judges-not "me!"
  Some ppl never read Bible! MOST ppl "taught" TWISTED!
  Yes, it's up to you!
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Carb Divaposted 8 years ago
Eric - This is such a good question. There are so many interpretations of the Bible. What makes it difficult is that the original languages of the Bible are very complex--especially Greek. The Greek language can say in one word what it takes us a complete sentence or paragraph to state. As a result errors have crept in because rephrasing has been done on "the last version" rather than the original. Do you remember what Xerox copies were like before everything was digitized? If you made a copy of a copy of a copy of a copy....pretty soon you had an image that was no longer recognizable.

I feel blessed that I have a Pastor who can read and write Greek, Hebrew, and Latin. He can look at the original word and explain it to us.

As for the "I'm right, you're wrong" sentiment--it needs to be done with patience and in love, not one-upman's ship.
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  Ericdierkerposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  Linda, some times you redirect me. What a pleasant connection we have. I have some insight to goodness that I did not know. I really like that. I think in a very positive way you have in a sense corrected me. How nice that is to have a friend.
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  Carb Divaposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  Eric - I love the connection that you and I have found. I am your forever friend.
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  Norine Williamsposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  Linda: Have your pastor been filled with the Holy Ghost? I see you rely on "him" quite heavily! READ II Timothy 2:15! Not him but you!
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  Edwinoel Tanglaoposted 7 years agoin reply to this
  Human Intelligence is not key to the right interpretation of the bible, humility and obedience to God, to His laws and words, comes our oneness with God, in the love for one another as we bear to carry our own cross in rejection of our 'true faith.'
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  Norine Williamsposted 7 years agoin reply to this
  Nope! Being anointed with the Holy Spirit Who "leads & guides us into ALL truth" (Jn 14:26;16:13) gives REVELATION; therefore, NO MISTAKES!
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  jonnycomelatelyposted 7 years agoin reply to this
  Mr. Tanglao, when people read and interpret the bible without intelligence, that is a major reason for religious nonsense on the part of fanatics.
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  Ericdierkerposted 7 years agoin reply to this
  I am a little worried people go overboard here. God created my intelligence Should I not use it? Arms, legs and a brain. Is man hateful to God? I think man is delightful to God -- don't make me cite scripture, you know I can.
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  Norine Williamsposted 7 years agoin reply to this
  Eric: Why do u thk u r more intelligent than GOD? "Unless u become as lil children" (Ignorant) & allow Holy Spirit, u r "prideful" & GOD HATES!
  Yes, man is "hateful" (sinful) to GOD!
  Give Scripture where GOD said use "YOUR brain?"
  U don't
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  Edwinoel Tanglaoposted 7 years agoin reply to this
  Alan n Eric many intelligent people lost n got defeated by those humbled by d Lord, d Spirit of d Lord was d humbled. Intelligence n talents r gifts fr D Lord, humbly use them to boast of D Lord not of 'self' or pride, d idolatry of d soul. Blessings
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  Norine Williamsposted 7 years agoin reply to this
  Point is, MOST don't believe the Holy Spirit can "lead & guide!" "The FOOLISHNESS of GOD is wiser than men" (I Cor 1:25) so why does anyone thk they are "wiser?"
  FOOLS!
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Norine Williamsposted 8 years ago
RT said it perfectly! What ONLY matters is what Scripture (GOD) says not man!

The problem is "their interpretation!" REVELATION of Scripture should be received by the Holy Spirit Who gives "complete" understanding. It's plain to see you have not STUDIED Scriptures given you or you wouldn't say "their truth!" I give you Scripture Eric and apparently you throw them in the trash!

When Scriptures are given (IF you are truly seeking salvation), you should READ and ask the Holy Spirit to"guide" you into ALL truth" (John 14:26) as the Bereans did (Acts 17:11)! See, I've given two Scriptures but will you READ? Then you say it's "my interpretation" when GOD has spoken in Scriptures given!

Do you know what a "healthy Christian" is? One that can PROVE belief with Scripture! I do that but apparently you throw in trash! II Timothy 3:16 says "All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is PROFITABLE for DOCTRINE, for REPROOF, for CORRECTION, for INSTRUCTION IN RIGHTEOUSNESS." Have I not provided Scripture? Have you only thrown in trash? If so, that's why you feel it's "my interpretation" versus what GOD has actually said! If I give Scripture, how can it be wrong or "my truth" unless GOD is wrong and not true? Why would you say something like that? Because you're too "lazy" to STUDY you blame the messenger!

Then because Man has "created his own god," he runs to your defense! II Kings 17:29-41 still applies to you Man! There are not different gods that will lead one to THE GOD and II Kings confirms this! If IT IS WRITTEN, whether you like it or not, the ALMIGHTY "I AM" has spoken and there's no way you can get around IT! Keep worshiping the god of your nation and see if the ALMIGHTY approves!

Eric, you know the unbelievers said something similar to your statement on the Day of Pentecost ("just a little unbalanced.") when the disciples were filled with the Holy Ghost! Acts 2:13 "Others MOCKING said, These men are full of new wine."

"What do I think?" You "mock" the Word of God and apparently throw It in trash when given "PROVING" what HE has said!
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  Mr. Happyposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  You say: "Angers me Bible is there for ALL but too LAZY to READ!" The Bible reads: "Do not have companionship with anyone given in to anger" Proverbs - The Faithful should simply stay away from You. You spread poison with your anger.
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  Norine Williamsposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  Guess they should have "stayed away from" JESUS too when He tore up the Temple! "Be ye angry, but do not sin" (Eph 4:26)! Do you thk "sinful" to say we should READ GOD'S WORD? You've "given place to the devil!" Get real?
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  Mr. Happyposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  Haha, see how You pick and chose? You obviously did not like the quote I provided from the Bible (but it is there in the Bible, I did not make it up) so, You just ignore it and keep spewing your venom. Good job!
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  Ericdierkerposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  Anger and self righteousness cloud the thinking. Perhaps the ability to see through it lends itself to finer understanding and acceptance of other creatures of God.
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  Norine Williamsposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  Happy: Did you READ the Scripture n Proverbs "GIVEN IN TO anger?" I've NEVER "GIVEN IN TO anger" The sun NEVER goes down on "ignorance" in my life! I pray for "ignorance" feeling sorry (compassion) for ALL!
  Again, angers me there BUT no 1 READS!
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  Mr. Happyposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  "Angers me Bible is there for ALL but too LAZY to READ!" - Those are your words. "Angers me" means something makes You angry LOL Look what You are doing, You're twisting this in a discussion about Linguistics. You run away from your own words...
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  Norine Williamsposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  Your name does not suit u (mr happy)! JESUS displayed "anger" righteous "anger" so did I!
  NOT READING WORD & angry bcuz they don't is righteous anger! U're a demon if perceived otherwise!
  I'm STILL angry no one READS & u allow demon overt
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  jonnycomelatelyposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  Beware, Mr. Happy. You are about to be told Happiness is of the Devil !
  Norine is on a personal crusade and she's got God's commission in her hand. Trouble is, she got to write the message. All in fun.
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  Norine Williamsposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  I must REALLY be telling TRUTH, huh (Demon inside Mr. Johnny)? Why else would I be of such importance to continue to "stalk?" lol
  You've already been defeated Satan!
  TRUTH will be told!
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  jonnycomelatelyposted 7 years agoin reply to this
  You have the importance of the Clown, Norine.
  Enough to make us laugh and keep wanting to come back and hear some more.
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  Norine Williamsposted 7 years agoin reply to this
  Satan speaks again!
  Again, I really MUST BE telling TRUTH for demons to keep "stalking" me!
  Keep confirming!
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  Edwinoel Tanglaoposted 7 years agoin reply to this
  Where is faith in the scriptures if one believes differently from the others? The scriptures may still differ in interpretation by the natural person, who only lives by his stomach, but 1 who lives in d Spirit of God boast of Jesus in him.
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  Norine Williamsposted 7 years agoin reply to this
  If anointed by HS there no "interpretation" for HE "leads & guides!" "U will know them by their fruit" or w/ONE ACCORD! If Christ dwells in u, there is no diff for HE will not tell 1 one thg & another another thg! I Cor 12 HE is the SAME SP
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  Edwinoel Tanglaoposted 7 years agoin reply to this
  If u fail to c d essence of unity of faith in d Holy Eucharist u need enlightenment from d light of truth, Norine n ol Prot. Be saved by 'true faith' n live in Christ's light, c d truth in ALL His words, not one or 2, but ALL n be healed - truth n Sp
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  Norine Williamsposted 7 years agoin reply to this
  Isn't Hebrews part of the "ALL?" Where does that leave you? An "unbeliever" of ALL of TRUTH?
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tsmogposted 8 years ago
Hello Eric. I mean this next respectfully and not facetiously. Within circles of the mental health world there is an old joke. It goes like this . . . normal is only a setting on the washer and dryer. All washers normally become unbalanced at some time. :-) So, said with humor consider this is written during the rinse cycle. So, it may jump about a bit and be unbalanced :-)

IMHO said respectfully the answer is no. Why? Well . . . that means it would be universal. Next, thank you for the interesting long journey of discovery. That said here are some interesting notations and facts for wrong interpretations. First we each interpret the life experience individually and then collectively.

For some that is inclusive of knowledge of the Bible and experience with it. Sometimes sharing personal interpretations for others is enlightening and other times are provocative. So, collectively there is probability of disagreements, even though agreement of collective principles may ensue. So, let’s peek at the probability of disagreement.

Fact #1 – Change is inevitable, thus a personal interpretation may in fact change nullifying a previous one
Fact #2 – Simply reading the Bible is interpreting it since it is based on one’s prior knowledge and experience. That said there are guidelines offered that can be discovered at Bible.org (Lesson #6)
Fact #3 – There are over 100 English translations or interpretations. Here is a link to a site for those [http:] tyndalearchive [dot] com/scriptures/index [dot] htm
Fact #4 – There are as of March 2002 per the Statistical Summary provided by UBS World Report 2,287 languages a portion or entirety of the bible has been translated. Thus, each is an interpretation. There are over 6,500 spoken languages today. Any who have knowledge or experience with the Bible with no translation heard it second hand (An interpretation) and then interpreted it.

That for me is mind blowing. Taking a step back a moment regard life experiences being interpreted which may or may not include knowledge/experience of/with the Bible some facts are:

Fact #1 – The past total world population up to 1950 is 14,707 million
Fact #2 – World population today is over 7 Billion

That is a lot to be proven wrong . . .
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  Ericdierkerposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  That is a very cool insight Tim, thank you.
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  Norine Williamsposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  What a "crock!" Nothing biblical!
  GOD is of ONE MIND! Why do you think you see "WITH ONE ACCORD" so often in Scripture?
  PROBLEM: No Holy Spirit "guidance" & is why MOST can't get on "ONE ACCORD" with JESUS (aka Holy Spirit)!!
  READ!
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  tsmogposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  Your Welcome Eric. It was revealing to me. I feel fortunate to have had the opportunity to read it when pondering how many never did. They did not have opportunity of interpretation [period], so how can they be wrong?
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  Norine Williamsposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  II Pet 1:20-21 "...no prophecy of the scripture is of PRIVATE INTERPRETATION. For the prophecy came not in old time BY THE WILL OF MAN: but holy men of God as spake as they were MOVED BY THE HOLY GHOST."
  You "ignorant fool!" Have not STUDIED!
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  tsmogposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  I ask your forgiveness for being an ignorant fool . . .
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  Norine Williamsposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  Don't ask mine! Ever heard, IF YOU LOVE ME "FEED MY SHEEP?" How can one "feed" w/o knowledge of WORD!
  Where's the "love?"
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  jonnycomelatelyposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  Funny, really... I bet that if you sat down at the meal table with some present company, you would hardly get through "Grace" without a remonstration. But a little humour would carry the day (mealtime) I suspect.
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  Ericdierkerposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  Cool, the humor is given to us. That cannot be an accident.
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  celafoeposted 7 years agoin reply to this
  noreen/eric Part two-- and neither present a fully accurate account of what you want us to believe A Partial Gospel is not THE Gospel
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  Norine Williamsposted 7 years agoin reply to this
  Follow disciples ("OBSERVE" Matt 28:20) & Paul "AFTER ASCENSION" who was "a vessel" for JESUS (Acts 9:15) & who JESUS spoke through according to Jer & Heb "put HIS Laws in their hearts & minds" & you've got IT (I Cor 11:1)!
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  Edwinoel Tanglaoposted 7 years agoin reply to this
  God gave us talents to serve Him n mankind, as gifts fr God, so is everything in this life. But d realities of life is w/n human knowledge, frm d 'word' comes 'divine wisdom' best understood by 'divine logic,' fr were man/evil may corrupt. Blessings
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  Norine Williamsposted 7 years agoin reply to this
  Either u can't READ or u don't care (Blasphemy)!
  READ the Book of Hebrews (Communion; 1 Cor 11:20) & tell me you're NOT Blaspheming!
  Worshiping Mary (Exd 20:3)? Can't u READ (Is 42:8)?
  You will DIE re: "TRADITIONS" in FALSE DOCTRINE!
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  Edwinoel Tanglaoposted 7 years agoin reply to this
  Tim Interpretations n versions of d bible came fr 1825, fr original bible (NAB) 2 Prot interp. Let d light of truth in d HS guide us ol, in 'true faith' w d blood of Christ in us, as we eat Christ's flesh n drink His bld more revelations fr HS comes.
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  Norine Williamsposted 7 years agoin reply to this
  The only way TRUE WORSHIPERS eat of HIM is through HIS WORD for HE SAID "I am the Bread & drink" & the WORD is GOD (Jesus): So EAT! This we should do until HIS return!
  ALL SPIRITUAL! No more "rituals/sacrifices" (Heb)!
  CHRIST HAS DONE IT ALL
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Mr. Happyposted 8 years ago
The plain answer is No.
Why do I say this? Because from the Bible we have a clear split between the Greek-Orthodox and the Catholic followers. We celebrate Easter on different dates, as a quick example. I just celebrated Easter two weeks ago (1st of May), while the Catholics celebrated Easter over a month ago I think. Am I wrong, or are the Catholics wrong? That's the wrong question to ask in my opinion. Who cares, or why care?
As long as we are kind-loving people, who respect each other, I see no problem in how we interpret every little detail in the Bible.
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  Norine Williamsposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  Col 2:16 "Let no man judge u in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath day." However, this has nothing to do w/SALVATION but "ordinances" (v20)! However for SALVATION "READ" Galatians 1:6-9 "ACCURSED!"
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  Edwinoel Tanglaoposted 7 years agoin reply to this
  The Universal (Catholic in Greek) faith comes d true vine of faith, from where Protestantism w born.Pride in man over wealth n greed came about, but, things happen because they need 2 happen, as God's Div P, but condemnation is at d end, God judges.
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  Norine Williamsposted 7 years agoin reply to this
  Disciples of Christ "judge!"
  GOOGLE "Is it Right to Judge?" All Scriptures say "we" judge!
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  jonnycomelatelyposted 7 years agoin reply to this
  Norine, you are free to judge your self and your actions. But you are NOT free to judge me or anyone else, by you book or any other criterion.
  Because to judge you need to possess ALL the facts. And you are ignorant of many facts.
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  Norine Williamsposted 7 years agoin reply to this
  Not "ignorant" of HIS WORD as apparently you are which is ALL that matters!
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  jonnycomelatelyposted 7 years agoin reply to this
  All in your mind, Norine, even God ....
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  Norine Williamsposted 7 years agoin reply to this
  Well provide a book w/as many "accurate fulfilled" prophecies written BEFORE Bible then say GOD is "all in one's mind!"
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  LeslieAdrienneposted 7 years agoin reply to this
  Personal interpretation of the scriptures is what gets folk in trouble and leads them into spiritual error. Remember Jim Jones.... The Word has definite and clear guidelines to follow and definite things that we are to believe...Jesus is Lord!!!!
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  Norine Williamsposted 7 years agoin reply to this
  "Personal Interp" is sin (Prov 3:5)!HOLY SPIRIT "reveals" (Gal 1:12)!
  Follow JESUS in "chronological order" for TRUTH! Born, Promised HS, DIED, asked us 2 "OBSERVE" disciples (Matt 28:20) & 2 "WAIT" for HS, sent HS,Spoke thru Paul (Acts 9:15) GR
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RonElFranposted 8 years ago
Eric, allow me a scriptural answer to your question:

2 Timothy 3:16 All Scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness.

The Bible claims it is given by God to communicate truth. Thus, when biblical statements are definitive, Christians must accept those statements as authoritative. An example:

John 3:18 He who believes in Him [Jesus] is not condemned; but he who does not believe is condemned already, because he has not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.

That is totally clear and definitive, and, along with other passages that amplify and clarify it, not subject to substantial interpretive variations. My observation is that on such core issues, Bible believers don’t have large differences of interpretation. The difference is in whether a person accepts biblical teaching as authoritative.

So, on issues where the Bible speaks definitively, Christians can and should say their beliefs are “right” because they are based not on their interpretation [see 2 Peter 1:20], but on clear statements intended by God to communicate His mind on the issue.

On the other hand, the Bible not only permits but encourages some differences of belief:

Romans 14:4-5 Who are you to judge another's servant? To his own master he stands or falls… 5 One person esteems one day above another; another esteems every day alike. Let each be fully convinced in his own mind.

All of Romans 14 is devoted to the idea that Christians can legitimately differ in belief about some things. And when that happens, none of us has the right to judge the other.

For example, I am convinced that baptism should be by immersion. My Methodist brethren believe a sprinkle or two does the job. But since the Bible never says, “thou shalt baptize only by immersion," it’s ok to differ.

To sum up, on issues where biblical teaching is clear-cut and definitive, Christians should be confident that beliefs that adhere to that biblical teaching are indeed “right,” and any that contradict that teaching are “wrong.” As I said before, among those who actually accept the Bible as the word of God, there is remarkably little disagreement on such core issues.

But on issues that God left open to interpretation, we each have the privilege and the responsibility to have our own convictions, and must respect the right of other believers to do the same.
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  Norine Williamsposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  Do you believe the first CHURCH was established on Day of Pentecost & our example? Do u blv Acts 1:4; WAIT; Acts 2:38;42 or if not Gal 1:6-9 applies?
  Therefore, Col 2:16 speaks of "Ordinances" (v20) vs "Salvation!"
  Baptism: Col 2:12 "Buried!"
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  Ericdierkerposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  Thank you Ron that is really helpful and well laid out.
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  Norine Williamsposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  "God left open to interpretation,.." What did HE leave "open to interpretation?"
  II Peter 1:3 says "ALL THINGS pertaining to life in godliness" is in Scripture!
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  Norine Williamsposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  "God left open to interpretation" What did GOD leave "open to interpretation?" Did He not say "Lean not to YOUR OWN understanding" (Prov 3:5)?
  II Pet 1:3 says "ALL THINGS that pertain unto life & godliness" are in Scripture!
  Why so many "TWIST
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  lawrence01posted 8 years agoin reply to this
  Really well balanced and thought out Ron. I love it
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  Norine Williamsposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  Well, if u "love it," U hate the WORD of GOD! Did I not just give Scripture that "WE" are not "open to interpretation" of the WORD? Can u now see why there are so many diff beliefs? Each have "their own" interp rather than HS "revelation!"
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  Faith Reaperposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  Hi Ron, I agree with Eric that your answer is well thought out. We never should "add to" or "take away from" the Bible, as God tells us on the last page of the Bible when the answer is right there in black and white.
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  Norine Williamsposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  Well, if "open for interpretation," one is adding or taking away!
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  The Indexerposted 7 years agoin reply to this
  Ronald, You make the mistake of using material to back your case which is itself the subject of the matter under discussion. You cannot answer "How do you know the Bible speaks the truth?" by saying "because the Bible says it is".
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  Edwinoel Tanglaoposted 7 years agoin reply to this
  Titus 1:15, "To the pure, all things are pure, but to those who are corrupted and do not believe, nothing is pure. In fact, both their minds and consciences are corrupted." The corrupted soul finds folly from his human intelligence - 2 live in flesh
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  Norine Williamsposted 7 years agoin reply to this
  Read Hebrews 7, 8, 9!
  Is "Catholic Faith" obeying?
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  celafoeposted 7 years agoin reply to this
  there are NO issues left to interpretation that have eternal consequences. all the thing you mentioned have NO bearing on your eternal destiny. but REAL Christianity has NO PLACE FOR DIVISION,
  1 Cor 1:10
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  RonElFranposted 7 years agoin reply to this
  John Welford, the question is whether a Christian can be justified in thinking their interpretation of the Bible is "right." That the Christian believes the Bible is inherent in the question. Otherwise, what difference does it make?
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  Norine Williamsposted 7 years agoin reply to this
  Ron: Why do u thk u can "interpret" Scripture? New Cov is a Spiritual Cov in which the Holy Spirit does EVERYTHING (Jn 14:26 "ALL TRUTH")! Why do u thk your "thoughts" r "higher than GOD'S?" Holy Spirit "reveals" "Man" not needed! Tells ea same!
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  RonElFranposted 7 years agoin reply to this
  Norine, to "interpret" simply means to explain what the text means or how it applies. Your comments in this thread are filled with your interpretations of certain verses. The Bible never says all Christians must see things as you do. Rom 14 says not.
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  Norine Williamsposted 7 years agoin reply to this
  Ron: What does "WITH ONE ACCORD" mean to you?
  I don't "interpret" Holy Spirit "reveals!"
  Rm 14 speaks of "carnal" thgs? Did u hear v17 & 20?
  I Cor 12 speaks of ONE SPIRIT Who "leads & guides" (Jn 14:26)! No 1 "with one accord," haven't "wa
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  Ericdierkerposted 7 years agoin reply to this
  What wisdom do we impart? Are we free if we think? Norine reminds me that I think too much. The let go and the feel is the kingdom.
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  Norine Williamsposted 7 years agoin reply to this
  If "you think" or "interpret," you "overtake" the job of the Holy Spirit Who is JESUS. Do you "think" you can do better? Why does Scripture say "You must become as a little child?" Why does IT say "Lean not to "your own" understanding?"
  Man v GOD?
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  Logan Jacksonposted 7 years agoin reply to this
  There is proof though, that the bible has been edited by corrupt bishops and popes of history, and has since been too edited to be an exact word of god. How can we still that it is the definitve word of god, yet accept the fact that man has edited it
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  Norine Williamsposted 7 years agoin reply to this
  Logan, Do you "underestimate" the POWER of God Who is the Holy Spirit?
  If so, you ARE NOT a "Believer!"
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  Edwinoel Tanglaoposted 7 years agoin reply to this
  When you have not forgiven, then you have not humbled yourself b4 D Lord. You live in sin and the Spirit in not in you Ron. Jesus came for the sinner not the rightouse, surrender pride, which is the idolatry of the soul, cleanse it w Holy Eucharist.
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  Norine Williamsposted 7 years agoin reply to this
  What in the devil is the "Holy Eucharist?" Does it supersede the blood of Christ? What man-made doctrine is this? The "Catholic Faith?" Hog wash!
  Did you read the Book of Hebrews? If so, why all these "rituals?"
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  jonnycomelatelyposted 7 years agoin reply to this
  Fanaticism shows its face in many forms and many hues.
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  Norine Williamsposted 7 years agoin reply to this
  Jon: And so does SATAN! He has "legions" of "demonic spirits" to "impregnant " one!
  CELAFOE: DID u "HEAR?" Paul is the "MOSES" of the New Covenant and brought the "MESSAGE" of "GRACE" Which IS the "GOSPEL OF CHRIST!"
  STUDY to SHEW THYSELF APPR'D
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  Edwinoel Tanglaoposted 7 years agoin reply to this
  Romans addresses the true converts to Christanity Ron, from Jesus to Peter and the apostles, all baptized in truth by d Holy Trinity. Those who can enlighten in d 'word' are those in d 'vine of true faith' nourished by d Father - sanctified by blood.
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  Norine Williamsposted 7 years agoin reply to this
  GOD operates in "GLORIES" not a "Trinity!" You "limit" GOD as 3!
  The "Catholic Faith" KILLS! I Corinthians Chapter 12 says "ONE SPIRIT" not 3!
  I Corinthians 1:13 asks "IS CHRIST DIVIDED?" Why does the "Catholic Faith" (or any other)DIVIDE?"
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  sharekickballposted 7 years agoin reply to this
  Cool
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  Norine Williamsposted 7 years agoin reply to this
  WORD!!!
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  lawrence01posted 7 years agoin reply to this
  Norine
  The 'Eucharist' is the Latin word for 'Holy communion' and is the celebration of the Last Supper.
  All the traditional churches use the phrase
  Hope that helps
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  Norine Williamsposted 7 years agoin reply to this
  Where is Scripture? Have you read the Book of Hebrews? No more "rituals & sacrifices!" Have you read I Cor 11:17-34?
  JESUS is "The Bread" & "Drink!" We "Commune" w/HIM when doing Jn 4:23-24!
  This is "Spiritual" v man "carnal!"
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  lawrence01posted 7 years agoin reply to this
  Norine
  Can I suggest you actually check out what people believe before accusing! Catholics believe Jesus is actually and physically there at the Eucharist! To them it's not ritual but real!
  It's us Protestants that say he isn't!
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  Norine Williamsposted 7 years agoin reply to this
  Did u hear what u said? THEY BELIEVE?
  Who cares what man believes!
  If not in WORD - It's a "LIE!"
  That's why there r so many diff denominations who've been influenced by "The Catholic Faith's" beliefs & Satan's laughing!
  No 1CORR-just go alon
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  lawrence01posted 7 years agoin reply to this
  Norine
  "Where two or three are gathered in my name" comes to mind
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  Norine Williamsposted 7 years agoin reply to this
  Law: "In my name" means being "IN" what IS WRITTEN not just "saying" JESUS! Remember Satan knows JESUS (WORD) too!
  Did you READ the Book of Hebrews? Then "CORRECT" (II Tim 3:16)!
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  jonnycomelatelyposted 7 years agoin reply to this
  Mrs. Williams, you again twist and manipulate words and sentances to fit your own concocted beliefs. You are no more a follower of "Christ-like principles," than any domineering dictator. Fraudulant nonsense.
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  Edwinoel Tanglaoposted 7 years agoin reply to this
  Covenant of God is d blood of D Lamb, shed for d forgiveness of sins, if we love God eat of His body n drink of His blood, to 'remain in Him,' John 6:56-58 Comes Gods covenant to true believers of His words. The apostles were one in bdy n Spr w Chris
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  Norine Williamsposted 7 years agoin reply to this
  Jon: YOU prove my point (SATAN)! If one doesn't know Gal 1:6-9 NOT "IN CHRIST" & will say ANYTHING like you!
  Ed: If one doesn't "preach the Gospel of Christ" which is "AFTER THE CROSS" (Acts) not "IN CHRIST" & "ACCURSED" (Gal 1:6-9)!
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  Edwinoel Tanglaoposted 7 years agoin reply to this
  Am here 2 enlighten not judge. if believing in Jesus is completion of 3 elements of faith(Sp of God,water,blood) what is the argument if we do not remain in d 'word?' Jesus wants us to unite with d 3, so we may have everlasting life; Covenant - Blood
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  Norine Williamsposted 7 years agoin reply to this
  "Enlighten" in FALSE DOCTRINE? That's problem "No Judgment" w/WORD! How can 1 know "wrong" if NO JUDGMENT (Is 59:8)?
  What 3 (I Cor12;Eph4:4-6)?
  "Catholic Faith" defies WORD!
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  securitynyposted 7 years agoin reply to this
  sounds you got right prosition
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  Norine Williamsposted 7 years agoin reply to this
  WORD is RIGHT (Prov 30:5)!
  Men stuck in "TRADITIONS" & FALSE DOCTRINES!
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  Edwinoel Tanglaoposted 7 years agoin reply to this
  Protestants may believe in Scriptures, but d RCC n 'universal' church of God adds 'true faith' 2 satisfy d promise of d Covenant of God, justified by faith in Christ Jesus (as in Gal 3:22) that's why Jesus comes 2 fulfill d law, not 2 abolish
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  Norine Williamsposted 7 years agoin reply to this
  PRECISELY - "To fulfill" and if "fulfilled" according to Hebrews 7, 8, & 9, why continue under "fulfilled" law? HE'S DONE IT ALL! Why continue in "rituals, sacrifices?" Why?
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  Jay C OBrienposted 7 years agoin reply to this
  Ron E. Franklin, let us agree it is wrong to kill, especially women and children. Why then did Joshua kill the women and children? I do not question God, but people who kill in the name of God. The Old Testament depicts God as a killer. Why?
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  Norine Williamsposted 7 years agoin reply to this
  Do you believe there's a heaven? If so, you probably believe there's a hell w/ eternal torture! Does that sound like a GOD who doesn't KILL?
  We better be glad HE DIED for us & left the gift of "GRACE" so HE doesn't KILL "ALL!"
  Poor Hubbers!
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  Norine Williamsposted 7 years agoin reply to this
  Eric, unless you "repent," you're headed for HELL! You deny GOD'S WORD by "deleting" & "cause your brother to stumble" (Rm 14:13-23) when TRUTH is given! WWJD?
  You're in trouble w/GOD!
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  Ericdierkerposted 7 years agoin reply to this
  Sometimes you are just too funny Norine. I am just now understanding your humor.
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  Norine Williamsposted 7 years agoin reply to this
  GOD'S WORD is "humorous?" Don't let your mouth write a check that your a** can't cash! (Norine speaking)! Ps 139:22!Eric I tell TRUTH (life or death)! You have wisdom 2 know not 2 anger GOD (Prov 9:10) but don’t STUDY for generations in your family!
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  Ericdierkerposted 7 years agoin reply to this
  That is funny too Norine. You must be kidding that you know what generations of my family have been like.
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  Norine Williamsposted 7 years agoin reply to this
  I'm talking
  FUTURE generations will be saved or don't you "love" them enough?
  That ain't "funny!"
  STUDY!
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  Ericdierkerposted 7 years agoin reply to this
  Norine, I think it would be advisable for you to take a step back and ask God to heal you. Then maybe you could evaluate your dreams and visions and the voices you hear more effectively. Pretty much you have to be sane in order to understand.
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  Norine Williamsposted 7 years agoin reply to this
  I want u to "research" Scripture & write HUB of how many x's JESUS did "INSANE" thgs according to "man!" "Cast the 1st stone" (Insane); "Turn the other cheek" (Insane); "Heal on Sabbath" (Insane); and others! Do that for a "sermon" PLEASE!
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  Travel'n Personposted 7 years agoin reply to this
  Except that all of those words were written by people playing God. Inspiration or not, anyone can say God selected them to deliver the message thus elevating that person to a higher status. So none of it can be verified.
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  Norine Williamsposted 7 years agoin reply to this
  Spoken like a true unbeliever! Provide the book?
  If one has been anointed w/the HOLY SPIRIT, they'd KNOW who is LYING & who's not bcuz GOD would tell them!
  Not many here (on HP) huh?
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  Edwinoel Tanglaoposted 7 years agoin reply to this
  Ron, Norine, Eric, Law n all Protestants, I pray that u heed the Scriptures with 'true faith,' as true coverts to the vine, d RCC, blessed by Jesus and nourished by God w d Holy Eucharist; D HS tells u that ur faith is of d flesh not of d Spirit/God.
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  Ericdierkerposted 7 years agoin reply to this
  ET and Norine, you two show exactly why I wrote this question. You both claim to know the truth through the word of God yet you disagree. The only ways that makes sense is you are both crazy or both right. HS speaks to us in different ways is the oth
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  Edwinoel Tanglaoposted 7 years agoin reply to this
  Ron, Eric, Norine, Law, n ol Prot. Be not deceived by false prophets saying they're Christians but corrupting d words of God fr d bible creating many interpret. Romans 6 tells us of sanctification n holiness, message 2 new converts. Romans 14 now Chr
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  Norine Williamsposted 7 years agoin reply to this
  Eric: I can give Scripture for my belief. Ask? Then ask ET why Holy Eucharist which defies Heb 7,8, 9, why Trinity, why sprinkling, why baptism in Titles vs Name? Why can't he give Scriptures?
  If not, u know who's LYING!
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  Ericdierkerposted 7 years agoin reply to this
  Alas you two give further proof of my premise. Wouldn't it be cool if the Holy Spirit spoke to on of you to accept the other's belief. But your egos would not let you.
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  Ericdierkerposted 7 years agoin reply to this
  Norine, deleted again. You have to stop calling people bad names. It is just disturbing.
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  Ericdierkerposted 7 years agoin reply to this
  Norine, Matt. 5:22 in part; " but whosoever shall say, ‘Thou fool,’ shall be in danger of hell fire." Until you stop with this damnable practice you shall be deleted here.
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  celafoeposted 7 years agoin reply to this
  norine-- according to scripture the only person you can call a fool is one who says there is no God. That person is called a fool by scripture.
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  Norine Williamsposted 7 years agoin reply to this
  Tell Paul that when he called them "FOOLS" at the Church in Galatia!
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  Ericdierkerposted 7 years agoin reply to this
  Sorry to remind you Norine but you are not Paul and you were calling believers fools, just because they differed from you. You are the epitome of what this question is about.
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  Norine Williamsposted 7 years agoin reply to this
  GOD operates the same way HE did as w/Paul! Have u heard of Judah's Daughter on HP? Why does she "see" what I "see?" Ask urself that! Bcuz BELIEVERS r on 1 accord! "Politically correct" religious indiv & those "ego tripping" can't "see!"
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  cam8510posted 7 years agoin reply to this
  Norine says, "I don't "interpret" Holy Spirit "reveals!"" If 10 are given same rev from God, there will be 10 interpretations. Each will consider his own to be right, as Norine does in all these matters. Revelation vs Interpretation? No difference.
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  KingdomComeposted 7 years agoin reply to this
  The Holy Spirit does NOT reveal ANYTHING to those of false churches which is WHY those of false churches DO NOT UNDERSTAND God word. The Holy Spirit does NOT reveal ANYTHING to those clergies of false churches which is WHY they are FALSE CHURCHES.
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  Norine Williamsposted 7 years agoin reply to this
  "Revelation" "...searches all thgs, yea the DEEP THINGS OF GOD" (I Cor 2:10) while "Interpretation" looks @ "the ltr" (II Cor3:6) as they do Father & Son!
  JESUS spoke in "parables," (Matt13:10-13) to distinguish who didn't do as Acts 1:4 "WAIT!
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  cam8510posted 7 years agoin reply to this
  And Norine and KC become the judges of who has received true revelation from God and if the understanding of that revelation is correct. And then they will turn on each other.
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  Norine Williamsposted 7 years agoin reply to this
  NOPE! Holy Spirit "determines" and it MUST BE in accordance with HIS WORD (aka Scripture/Bible)!
  If NOT WRITTEN, it's a LIE (Numbers 23:19)!
  I give WORD!
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  KingdomComeposted 7 years agoin reply to this
  Chris Mills- I suggest you STUDY on the "entire" subject of the Holy Spirit before you continue to stick you foot in your mouth. This should apply to you too Eric. Because it's evident you don't have a clue with regards to the Holy Spirit.
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  Ericdierkerposted 7 years agoin reply to this
  K&C shame on you! Evidence is carnal. You rely on carnal to determine the correctness of my view?
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  KingdomComeposted 7 years agoin reply to this
  Eric- Jesus was a WITNESS and provided "evidence" of TRUTH. John 6:63 (NKJV) ........... THE WORDS THAT I SPEAK TO YOU ARE SPIRIT AND THEY ARE LIFE.. There IS spiritual "EVIDENCE" Isn't Jesus a WITNESS of the TRUTH. " EVIDENCE"
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  Ericdierkerposted 7 years agoin reply to this
  It is OK K&C I suppose we are like the friends in the upper room when Jesus appeared. Some disciples believed as a matter of course. You are doubting Thomas that needed proof/evidence. We are like the disciples, different.
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  Norine Williamsposted 7 years agoin reply to this
  Eric, they were "WITH ONE ACCORD" in Acts concerning the "Gospel of Christ!" Yes diff bodies, but SAME (SPIRITUAL) MIND! We're on diff levels of "revelations" but ALL headed to the TRUTH in the "Gospel of Christ!" Prevention of rev "think" v WORD!
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  Kiss andTalesposted 7 years agoin reply to this
  Also G.O your anylsis of what the bible says is not based on human thinking like bypola , as imperfect humans are the ones who say imperfect statements.
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  Blessed Hillposted 7 years agoin reply to this
  Jesus is the truth not a witness thereof. Faith is a believer's evidence. Hebrews 11:1. Faith is a gift from God therefore because I have faith I have evidence that God is. When we seek for truth with the hope of finding it we will receive faith.
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  Kiss andTalesposted 7 years agoin reply to this
  Bible 1Co 13:2
  And if I have the gift of prophesying and am acquainted with all the sacred secrets and all knowledge, and if I have all the faith so as to transplant mountains, but do not have love, I am nothing.
  Judas had faith in who Jesus was
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  Norine Williamsposted 7 years agoin reply to this
  Well, don't tell your child "THE FIRE IS HOT" because he wants to touch & continue to display your kind of love which is to keep "peace" to get alone & defy WORD in Lev 19:17 "REBUKE ur neighbor & don't let him sin" which shows REAL LOVE!
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  Gaurav Oberoiposted 7 years agoin reply to this
  Oh really k&t?and what, u r not a human?if i recollect correctly u wr the one to declare that all the other 4.2 billion people are fraudsters just because they dont follow Christianity!
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  Kiss andTalesposted 7 years agoin reply to this
  G.O you need to back track. Recollect follow your memory again .you will find no statment by me . you have mixed me up with another's comment.
  I never tell people who to follow.
  Thats not my job.
  Maybe you should pay more attention !
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  Norine Williamsposted 7 years agoin reply to this
  Chris: Why I disagree w/K&T "Not my job to tell anyone who to follow!"
  K&T: Not a Disciple of Christ? Why go "door to door?" What JW'S telling? Ever heard of "teach all nations?" "Teach" what? To follow "Miller?"
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  Kiss andTalesposted 7 years agoin reply to this
  Norine example if a boss hires you to do something who is responsible in getting it done.its you or your job to carry out instructions.we carry a message but not ours. its Jehovah and Jesus instructions we also must follow them. Not a human message
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  Norine Williamsposted 7 years agoin reply to this
  If boss gives me written instructions, I have authority to use! U don't represent boss very well if u don't enforce what he's said! When using WORD, I represent GOD (BOSS), not "me!"
  Why go "door to door" if not? Who do u rep "Miller?"
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  Kiss andTalesposted 7 years agoin reply to this
  Norine I already delivered. The carrier owes you know explanation of written info delivered to you. If you have a complaint take it up with Jehovah or Jesus its their message even before our birth. So you argue with them.
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  Norine Williamsposted 7 years agoin reply to this
  U "run," u don't "deliver" & "try" to persuade others to "run!"
  Is 10:1-2 "Woe unto them [who] turn aside the needy from judgment, & to take away the right fm the poor of my people..."
  
  RUN K&T! RUN! But "Woe be unto you!"
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  Kiss andTalesposted 7 years agoin reply to this
  Norine again take up with Jesus and Jehovah.
  You have a complaint of what Jesus did and how he said do it .
  Then thats between you and him.
  I have no argument with you.
  So we will not continue this conversation.
  You will on your own.
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  Norine Williamsposted 7 years agoin reply to this
  Your "MO"=RUN! I have "taken IT up w/JESUS who is Jehovah!" Your "MO" displays "unrighteousness!" Ever heard "TEACH ALL NATIONS?" Ever heard "REBUKE ur brother & don't allow him to suffer sin?" EVER heard "Feed my sheep?" Doesn't fit your "MO!
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jonnycomelatelyposted 8 years ago
Most certainly unbalanced, Eric. But we need to show love nevertheless.

Easier said than done.
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  Ericdierkerposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  Funny Alan but it seems that love is the last thing these folks want.
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  Norine Williamsposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  What is "love" w/o WORD? If u love me, feed my sheep! Do u "love" Him? U know WORD to feed sheep? Love won't save u, WORD will!
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  Ericdierkerposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  I rest my case on Norine. I kind of take the whole battle scene with the pharisees and Jesus as a mark. An idea. "I say that you must think this or you are condemned". Written word to some is a key to freedom, to others the lock.
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  Norine Williamsposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  It's not a lock Eric! It's freedom in it's purest form! Holy Spirit (Jesus) doesn't lie & will "lead & guide u" in EVERYTHING! You never worry, just "rest" in BELIEF in HIS WORD! It's awesome!
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  jonnycomelatelyposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  Go on, Norine, have the last word in every thread, we all can hear you. The Word you speak of seems almost irrelevant here. It's the voices in your head that need attention.
  Wishing you well.
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  Ericdierkerposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  Norine you missed something as a child in His word. It is in His enveloping love that we are saved not in a language that man communicates with man. The heart is the language with which our God speaks to those who listen.
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  Norine Williamsposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  Who told u that LIE? Your Sunday school teacher? GOD spoke thru Prophets & Paul & he said "ACCURSED" if you don't preach the Gospel of Christ! Now what does not preaching the gospel of Christ have to do w/"your" analogy (love saves)?
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  jonnycomelatelyposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  Haha...Norine, you could be a real star at Marble Arch Corner in London.
  There you could meet up with all manner of heathen, devil-impregnated preachers and have a ball of a time.
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  Norine Williamsposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  "Devil impregnated?" I have YOU!
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  Edwinoel Tanglaoposted 7 years agoin reply to this
  So true, love and forgiveness makes us one with God, in the highest form of love, 'agape love,' unconditional but justified in truth.
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  Norine Williamsposted 7 years agoin reply to this
  Lev 19:17 shows "love" for our neighbor!
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Angele Parrisposted 8 years ago
To answer this question, please allow me to deviate from the topic for a paragraph.

A number of years ago, I did a few bible studies with Jehovah's Witnesses. An argument developed between us about where the soul goes when we die. I argued that the soul goes to heaven or hell, but it is not asleep in the grave. They asked me for biblical proof. I searched the various versions of the bibles in the house, and could not find any substantial scripture to back-up my belief. I went into the garage, and there was a GOOD NEWS bible (Today's English version) on the book shelf. I opened the bible, and ta-da in the book of 2 Edras chapter 25 there was a subtitle "the soul after death". As, I child I was told to stay away from the Maccabee bible. However, to back my interpretation of the scriptures, I had no choice but to use this bible.

So, to answer the question - Can a normal human rightfully claim that their interpretation of the Bible is the only correct one? I do not think so. However - Will any normal human claim that their interpretation of the Bible is the incorrect one? I do not think so either. Any normal human will interpret the bible to support a belief. Thus, to classify those who proclaim their truth to be true for all others, as a little unbalanced, could not be right.

Can the notion of "I am right and you are wrong" exist in a healthy Christian? The bible tells of many prophets who predicted coming events, who were regarded as unbalanced in their day. Thus the notion can exist in a healthy Christian.
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  Norine Williamsposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  Dear heart, when 1 "WAIT" (Acts 1:4) for the Holy Spirit to "reveal" Scripture, he CAN"T BE WRONG for Holy Spirit is JESUS Who does NOT LIE (Numbers 23:19)!
  Read I Thessalonians 4:13-18 to see where we go when we die!
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  Ericdierkerposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  That is a great answer -- much to think about. Thank you
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  Angele Parrisposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  Thank you Norine
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  Norine Williamsposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  You're welcome Angele! Have a Blessed night!
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  Edwinoel Tanglaoposted 7 years agoin reply to this
  For the corrupt, the asleep in the grave will never arise for their souls remain corrupted, it is their soul that may suffer, but the truth remains in the spirit of man, man may be redeemed if he repents and change to being godly in his ways.
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  Norine Williamsposted 7 years agoin reply to this
  "man may be redeemed if he repents and change to being godly in his ways."
  After death?
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  Edwinoel Tanglaoposted 7 years agoin reply to this
  Amen, Norine/AP, to those who are in d true vine of faith, even though we die, we live, for we remain in Christ's words. All those in d vine pray for one another for they love n bear with 1 another, lifting each other up for we have loved in truth.
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  Norine Williamsposted 7 years agoin reply to this
  But we MUST BE "IN CHRIST" doing as HE said (Matt 28:20) "OBSERVE" the apostles under New Covenant. Follow Paul or Gal 1:6-9 "ACCURSED!" Moses Messenger of Old Cov (Laws); Paul Messenger New Cov (Grace)!
  Follow "Chain of Events" in WORD or "ACCURSE
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  Ericdierkerposted 7 years agoin reply to this
  Two reasons Norine that I delete you. You drive people away and you call people names. Neither one is appreciated on my writings. Sorry but I have not drank of your offered kool aid. I do not think you speak for God and I believe you are delusional.
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  Norine Williamsposted 7 years agoin reply to this
  See how u responded to Q re: Religion v Spiritual & were in agreement w/others w/spirits NOT OF GOD? U continue!
  I don't "delete" your "twisted" delusional beliefs but "PROVE" wrong w/WORD! Aren't u man enough in Christ to do the same?
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  Ericdierkerposted 7 years agoin reply to this
  Perhaps you are getting to the point where you do not irritate anyone you engage with -- they just ignore you. Me I just delete you when you are in my space. Do what you want in yours.
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  Norine Williamsposted 7 years agoin reply to this
  2 Pet 2:21-22 ""For it had been better for them not to have known the way...,than, after they have known it, to turn fm the holy commandment delv' unto them..."The dog is turned to his own vomit again:& the sow that washed to the wallowing in mir
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  Ericdierkerposted 7 years agoin reply to this
  Truly boring.
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  Norine Williamsposted 7 years agoin reply to this
  See? GOD'S WORD is "boring" to you! Why you are LOST! You don't care what HE SAID!
  "FOOL!" Know tell me one that doesn't believe isn't a "FOOL?"
  Heb 3:19 "So they could not enter in because of "unbelief!"
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  Ericdierkerposted 7 years agoin reply to this
  Norine have you ever been checked out regarding being manic? It kind of fits in with you and maybe you could find some help. Of course you might have to give up hearing voices.
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  Norine Williamsposted 7 years agoin reply to this
  You need Help! A psychiatrist won't help you! I majored in Psychology & can recognize all signs & u r one of "unbelief!" "So they could not enter because of "unbelief!"
  You better stop worrying about me & start STUDYING Scripture!
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  Kiss andTalesposted 7 years agoin reply to this
  Sorry Jonny but you are asking the wrong person responsible for your problems
  Man has failed again and you blame him and tell him to fix the error of humans.
  The sun , the moon the stars are faithful ! They are working now lol!
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  Norine Williamsposted 7 years agoin reply to this
  K&T: Answer! Why does GOD SAY in Is 48:12 "I am the 1st & last" & JESUS SAY in Rev 1:11 "I am the 1st & last" if not SAME SPIRIT?
  Girl, stop letting those ppl fool u! JESUS is GOD!
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  Kiss andTalesposted 7 years agoin reply to this
  Norine if you spoke hebrew and Greek
  And used a bible before kj translation you would not be asking that question.
  You are limited in your reseach and bible.
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  Norine Williamsposted 7 years agoin reply to this
  Since u r "proficient" in Hebrew & Greek (as if it matters) ANSWER!
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  Ericdierkerposted 7 years agoin reply to this
  It is very curious that a person that only follows some of the new 200 versions of the Bible and knows nothing of the Council of Nicea is certain that her Bible translation is from God. Unbelievable.
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  Kiss andTalesposted 7 years agoin reply to this
  Norine I stand corrected I thought you would never ask. Thank you!
  First in understanding any word you must reconize its letters an how and when used I will post you a hub to your question and why it makes a diffence give me a few days .I in school.
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awais nazirposted 7 years ago
ys this realy exist.when u study history,from the begining of this world there are basically two kinds of people one who are on the right side path and the other on the wrong u can say that one who fallow the rules and other who have criminal mind.a man who is a thief and a man who is a pious man both of them cant be on the right path one of them must be wrong.same is the case with the belief we have about different religions of the world.i think that from all the religions of the world only one is the true religion and all others are wrong
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  jonnycomelatelyposted 7 years agoin reply to this
  Welcome to HubPages, awais nazir. But can I ask you one question -
  "Is your mind closed to any further understanding?"
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  Norine Williamsposted 7 years agoin reply to this
  AMEN AWAIS!
  I Corinthians 10:21!
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  Edwinoel Tanglaoposted 7 years agoin reply to this
  Is we based our judgement and interpretation of the bible on history, we are lost. For history is but changing and becomes imperfect over time. But the 'word' remains perfect as Jesus is as perfect as God can be perfect and true, in His love for us
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  Norine Williamsposted 7 years agoin reply to this
  Is "Catholic Faith" according to Scripture?
  Read Hebrews 7, 8, 9...!
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  Edwinoel Tanglaoposted 7 years agoin reply to this
  Yes Nor/A/Na. The Catholic Faith is d true faith n d true vine of faith leading to God's heavenly Kingdom. Being imperfect in the flesh comes our cleansing in Purgatory (Eucharist/Faith) in this life or d next, for God's love n mercy is everlasting.
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  Norine Williamsposted 7 years agoin reply to this
  Ed; Does the "Catholic Faith" abide by the Book of Hebrews?
  If not, their doctrine is not of GOD!
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Oztinatoposted 7 years ago
We can say someone is wrong if you want to. It's called debate. What is taboo is saying someone has to believe in one's own belief system otherwise it's a "sin" or they'll burn in hell.
JC had the very least patience for self righteous religious hypocrisy.
Doing what is right for us is close to righteousness but telling others they have to do what we do is self righteous.
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  Ericdierkerposted 7 years agoin reply to this
  Friend give us a list of JC chastising such behavior.
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  Norine Williamsposted 7 years agoin reply to this
  No1 has to believe anything but WORD! If given,&1 truly seeks "salvation," it's their job to "work out their own salvation" (Phil 2:12) by "Studying"(2 Tim 2:15) to "see if so"(Acts 17:11) & hopefully they've "Waited" (Acts1:4)for "revelation
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  Edwinoel Tanglaoposted 7 years agoin reply to this
  Debate is among those who may believe of greater intelligence than the other because of pride in him. Opinions may come and go but who is your master, is it Mammon, the false master, who deceives and lies, or Jesus, who is the truth in this life?
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  Norine Williamsposted 7 years agoin reply to this
  Why I give WORD!
  Who can deny IT (unless unbeliever)!
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  jonnycomelatelyposted 7 years agoin reply to this
  I just noticed, Oz... "JC." You talking about me, or the real JC?
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  Norine Williamsposted 7 years agoin reply to this
  BIG diff, ain't it!
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  Edwinoel Tanglaoposted 7 years agoin reply to this
  Ozi Truth in this life is Christ, in His words n His light we are set free from darkness. By His blood we may feel how He ransomed us fr sin, by His bld we nd 2 partake n eat if His flesh, n b saved forever as we live by His grace- 'true faith' heals
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  Oztinatoposted 7 years agoin reply to this
  JCL
  i thought that was obvious: of course I meant YOU:)
  You might notice I have little or no time for religious bigots or atheist bigots so I'm truly a democratic critic.
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  Norine Williamsposted 7 years agoin reply to this
  Ed: JESUS SAID "I am the bread!" "If you drink of ME u will NEVER thirst" so It's ALL SPIRITUAL under New Cov. U "DO" as they "DID" under Old Cov "rituals & sacrifices!" Do u blv n New Cov? Gal 4 says we can't live under BOTH!Offend 1 guilty of A
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Hxprofposted 7 years ago
This is tough to answer the way it's been asked, but I'll try. There is only one correct "interpretation" to scripture - the first apostles would not have told us "well, you can interpret this verse to mean A or B, and yes, sometimes even C". They would have told us exactly what that scripture means. Having said this, Christianity is in a place where it is as you suggest, that there are various interpretations among Christians. This has come about over centuries of spiritual conflict, during which Satan has expended all of his energy to get us here. While the very basic tenants of Christian faith remain intact and are mostly agreed to within Christianity, the rest of scripture is fought over, and this isn't what God intended. This division prevents most of us from understanding and following the harder teachings of Christ, leaving a vast sea of Christians in a lukewarm condition. There's prophecy in scripture that tells us this condition won't last - that God will act to clear out the rubbish so that the entire Gospel of the coming Kingdom is again revealed, and so allow His people, in cooperation with the Holy Spirit, to reach a place where our salvation is no longer at risk.
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  Norine Williamsposted 7 years agoin reply to this
  "They would've told us exactly what scripture means." Jesus didn't! Matt 13:10-13 "Those who do not have Holy Spirit cannot understand." Why HE asked us to "WAIT" (Acts 1:4) for "HELP" (Jn 14:26;16:13); otherwise, "interpretation" v "revelation!"
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  Hxprofposted 7 years agoin reply to this
  Norine, yes we need the Holy Spirit to understand; the HS most often works thru those who've been prepared. You've seen my other comments on this subject-you understand what I'm saying - the HS has few to work through right now, but that will change
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  Norine Williamsposted 7 years agoin reply to this
  RELIGION (Satan) has "detoured" MOST from TRUTH! "Taught" Paul just a man & DID NOT follow "Chain of Events" in Scripture never "WAITING" for HELP. Therefore, "lukewarm condition."
  BUT God is gathering "HIS ARMY!"
  If u have "ears," - "Hear!"
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  Ericdierkerposted 7 years agoin reply to this
  And so we come to this torment of the common man. Most of us poor slobs just do not get to work for years of labor understanding the nature of the HS. We are insane with the lack of connection with the HS?
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  Edwinoel Tanglaoposted 7 years agoin reply to this
  In John 4:8, "The person who doesn't love does not know God, because God is love." If one cannot forgive, how can God forgive you, as in Matthews 6:15. Why divide from the 'cornerstone' rejected by d builders, are you rejecting Christ as you build?
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  Norine Williamsposted 7 years agoin reply to this
  Eric: Yes, "poor slobs" w/o Holy Spirit! IT IS WRITTEN! Acts 1:4 commanded us to "WAIT!" Otherwise, u "interpret" & miss "Chain of Events" REVEALED by HS!
  Ed: If u don't follow Paul, u r "ACCURSED" (Gal 1:6-9)!
  I didn't write IT!
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  Edwinoel Tanglaoposted 7 years agoin reply to this
  Norine n those following d Protestant bibles need 2 know that what the gospel writers, dedicated scribes so divinely inspired by d HS r meant 2 guide d Christians w/In d true vine of faith, d Catholic Church as blessed by Jesus over St Peter (pope1)
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  Norine Williamsposted 7 years agoin reply to this
  R u saying you use another Bible? U don't have Acts & thereafter in It? If so, no wonder there is division! Do u not have the Book of Hebrews?
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  Oztinatoposted 7 years agoin reply to this
  Norine
  Put your hatred and intolerance aside. It's an embarrassment. Embrace the law of love promoted by JC not old brimestone law.
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  Norine Williamsposted 7 years agoin reply to this
  Oz: Do u live "AFTER THE DAY OF PENTECOST?" Have u been baptized in the name of Jesus Christ (Acts 2:38)! Then GOD says you are "under the law!" It's x u "STUDY" (II Tim 2:15) Scripture vs listening to "teachings" & going by "tradition!"
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  Norine Williamsposted 7 years agoin reply to this
  Oz: You are SATAN (Jn 8:44) himself!
  "Jesus Hoax?"
  No wonder you believe GOD is "love" only! I doubt if you even believe there's a GOD!
  If u don't blv Gal 1:6-9 you're doomed or "ACCURSED!"
  Keep feeding nonsense & now I see why!
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  jonnycomelatelyposted 7 years agoin reply to this
  Norine, either you have "lost the plot," or you are deliberately baiting everyone here in HubPages, simply to satisfy your sense of entertainment.
  Which is it? Because you are obviously here fraudulently.
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  Ericdierkerposted 7 years agoin reply to this
  Norine, Should I delete your comment when you call someone Satan? I think I probably should, please give me a logical explanation why I should not rebuke you and delete all your comments. No scripture just reason.
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  Norine Williamsposted 7 years agoin reply to this
  Jon" "Lost the plot?" Did OZ not say stop "hatred" & I've ONLY given WORD? We r discussing "interpretation of WORD" rt? Satan!
  Eric: If WORD calls Satan (which is ALL I have), then "delete" GOD'S WORD then HE (& we) will no who u serve (I Cor
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  Ericdierkerposted 7 years agoin reply to this
  So if someone deletes the great Norine's words -- then they are serving the devil? How about if we just delete them because they are written so poorly that they distort understanding. The way you preach the word is obnoxious. Not the Word - just you.
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  Norine Williamsposted 7 years agoin reply to this
  You call GOD'S WORD "norine's word?" HE sees you degrading HIS WORD bcuz I ONLY give HIS WORD!
  Who am I but a vessel?
  "The way u preach the word (GOD) is obnoxious. Not the Word - just you" I GIVE SCRIPTURE defy NOT GOD!
  READ I Cor 11:6-31!
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  Edwinoel Tanglaoposted 7 years agoin reply to this
  Norine and all who may believe they are Chritians, but came our from d vine of 'true faith,' (1 JN 5:8) nourished by God, this is a message from d HS, am just God's instrument, can only boast of The Lord. "Remain in me.. eat of my flesh n live"
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  Norine Williamsposted 7 years agoin reply to this
  You can thk "OF GOD," but if u disobey HIS commands, NOT!
  Yes, "Eat of my flesh" which is HIS WORD not Holy Eucharist some man made wine and bread ("literally")! Did HE not say HE (WORD) was the bread & drink?
  
  Why haven't u replied re:Hebrew
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mike102771posted 7 years ago
The “I’m right and you are wrong” notion is in everything from religion, politics and even pop-culture. There is something fundamental about the need to believe his or her own reality (faith, politics, and etc.) is the correct one. There is only right and wrong so for me to be right then you have to be wrong. So since my bible is right then yours can’t be.

The real problem is when people try and force their views on others. Most Christian communities (my Methodists included) believe in the concept of evangelizing. Too many the different branches of Christianity are different faiths (think Sunnis and Shia). The branches don’t necessarily get along (my great aunt called Catholics the cult of Mary). My bible is the word of God and yours with a slightly different interpretation (or translation) is heresy.

And there can only be one.
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  Norine Williamsposted 7 years agoin reply to this
  One MUST "WAIT" (Acts 1:4) for SAME "revelation" from SAME ONE MINDED SPIRIT (Holy Spirit) to be "WITH ONE ACCORD!" Otherwise, 1K+ denominations with different "interpretations" v "revelation" from Holy Spirit!
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  mike102771posted 7 years agoin reply to this
  Thanks for making my point...............I think?
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  Norine Williamsposted 7 years agoin reply to this
  NOPE! You misunderstand! W/O Holy Spirit one "interprets" which creates numerous beliefs when the Holy Spirit "reveals" & has ONE MIND, MIND BELIEF, & IS ONE SPIRIT (Eph 4:4-6)!
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  Edwinoel Tanglaoposted 7 years agoin reply to this
  Anyone who possesses the Spirit of God has seen God's Kingdom in his heart of love. In Matthew 5:8, "Blessed are d pure in heart for they shall see God." All d 8 beatitudes lead 2 God's Kingdom for d Spirit of God makes one understand - light&t
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  Norine Williamsposted 7 years agoin reply to this
  Let me tell ALL what WORD says! Rm 12:3 "...according as GOD hath DEALTH to every man the MEASURE OF FAITH. Now, when WORD is given, inc FAITH, by STUDYING! I "plant seed" but ONLY GOD can GIVE INCREASE (I Cor 3:6)!
  He who has "ears" let him "hear"
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  Edwinoel Tanglaoposted 7 years agoin reply to this
  Norine, d word of God r forever active n alive, the Holy Spirit tells me, u cannot c d truth w ur mind, for d mind is of flesh, will perish when we die, but 'true faith' is in 1 John 5:6, true message fr d Sp of God is r cleansing fr Ch body n bld
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  Norine Williamsposted 7 years agoin reply to this
  Ed: I give HIS WORD but "only HE can give the inc!" It's up to one to "STUDY" (II Tim 2:15) "Search Scripture to see if so" (Acts 17:11)!
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  Edwinoel Tanglaoposted 7 years agoin reply to this
  Michael to blaspheme the HS is to include Hus vessels of truth, what is true in our spirit. In 'true faith' may God's grace save you by d true words from d light dat will aquit condemnation from ur mouth. Evil is condemned by d HS, be saved b d blood
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  Norine Williamsposted 7 years agoin reply to this
  What u see as "Evil" (Is 5:20) is GOD'S WORD & bcuz of ur "traditions" can't "accept!"
  Let go of "traditions" & "pride" & "accept" HIS WORD!
  READ "HEBREWS!" CHRIST HAS DONE IT ALL!!!
  "Catholic Faith" KILLS!
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Cynthia Haltomposted 7 years ago
I have witnessed many interpretations of the Bible. Some so far fetched they are impossible to believe. I feel that the Bible is a personal tool. It can help you out in troubled time and inspire you when you least expect it.

The interpretation is is correct for you personally when you need it most.
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  Norine Williamsposted 7 years agoin reply to this
  Matt 16:17 "No one has "REVEALED" this to you but the Father" (Holy Spirit)! Man's "interpretations" have created 1K+ diff denominations!
  It's not a "personal thing," but a ONE MINDED SPIRIT Thing according to WORD!
  Satan has deceived!
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  Ericdierkerposted 7 years agoin reply to this
  Norine show us this marvelous scripture that we all must think alike. And don't let it be "one minded" because that means in love with each other.
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  Norine Williamsposted 7 years agoin reply to this
  I wish you would READ Scriptures I give! I REPEAT enough as it is! I Cor 12 is not talking about "love" but THE ONE SPIRIT of CHRIST'S (v12) BODY Who has MANY members ("GLORIES")!
  Have you ever heard "WITH ONE ACCORD?" Goggle it! Out of room!
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  Ericdierkerposted 7 years agoin reply to this
  Norine all scripture everywhere is talking about the love. Otherwise you are reading it wrong. Matthew 22: 40 "On these two commandments hang all the Law and the Prophets.” Christ could not be more clear.
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  jonnycomelatelyposted 7 years agoin reply to this
  Norine, you responses continue to appear as angry, self-opinionated, arrogant and intolerant.
  Just try closing that book of yours, just for a moment. There is a wider world for your enjoyment.
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  Ericdierkerposted 7 years agoin reply to this
  We miss the juice of life in the everyday and we lose perspective. Please enjoy the flower for a moment and then move on to relationships. And then get back to the Bible.
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  Norine Williamsposted 7 years agoin reply to this
  Eric: The 1st One "Love the Lord thy God with...." Did He not ask Peter "If u love me, feed my sheep?" Well, where's your "love" for Him? Where's WORD to "feed His sheep?" You've missed that 1! 2nd: "Love thy neighbor as thyself" Lev 19:17! Miss 2
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  Ericdierkerposted 7 years agoin reply to this
  Aimless looking for answers in the written word instead of the heart.
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  Norine Williamsposted 7 years agoin reply to this
  Jn 1:1 "In the beginning the WORD was with GOD & the WORD "WAS GOD!" What are u, SATAN? If the WORD is GOD & u don't wish to KNOW IT, or "love" HIM, U ARE SATAN!
  I Cor 10:21 says "U can't serve 2 masters!" So, who do u serve but SATAN!
  REPE
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  Edwinoel Tanglaoposted 7 years agoin reply to this
  NAB leads 2 d vine of true faith. Others may remain corrupted w changed words to adhere to corruption of man in MAMMON, the false God. Eg, 'holiness' from Romans 6:19 and Romans 6:22 is 'sanctified' in NAB, in d blood of Christ-cleansing-Eucharist
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  Norine Williamsposted 7 years agoin reply to this
  Where's this Eucharist in Scripture?
  Have you read the Book of Hebrews?
  One cannot be "in Christ" unless we do as HE says not MAMMON!
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  Edwinoel Tanglaoposted 7 years agoin reply to this
  Norine blasphemy to the Holy Spirit is unforgivable, it extends to generations of sins, hope - cleansing by d blood of Christ n by spreading what's true in d gospel. Blessings in the light of truth
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  Norine Williamsposted 7 years agoin reply to this
  Ed: YOU LIE on "THE HOLY SPIRIT" (aka Jesus) if you say HE mentions Holy Eucharist in WORD! READ Hebrews! HE'S done it ALL! No more "rituals" & "sacrifices!" Exd 20:3 "Worshiping Mary?" YOU BLASPHEME against "THE HOLY SPIRIT!"
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  Edwinoel Tanglaoposted 7 years agoin reply to this
  Norine Be truthful 2 your spirit of love within ur heart, Mary has d Spirit of Wisdom, as in Proverbs 9:1-6, if d Spirit of God is in you, He will make u understand, pray to be guided, surrender your pride n ol things material, be set free in d light
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  Norine Williamsposted 7 years agoin reply to this
  You are "SICK" in your "traditions" of "rituals" & "sacrifices" (Heb 9:14) which are NOTHING but "dead works!" Christ DIED in vain (Gal 2:21) as far as the "Catholic Faith" is concerned!
  Why don't u READ Hebrews or are you "AFRAID OF TRUTH?"
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  cam8510posted 7 years agoin reply to this
  Eric, you have made some excellent comments and responses in this particular thread. I especially liked, "Aimless looking for answers in the written word instead of the heart." Jesus would approve, in my opinion.
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  Norine Williamsposted 7 years agoin reply to this
  WORD begs to differ! Stop using "your opinion" vs WORD!
  Eric is teaching Hubbers wrong!
  You trust "your heart" more than the WORD of GOD?
  
  Jeremiah 17:9 "The heart is deceitful ABOVE ALL THINGS, and desperately wicked: who can know it?"
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  cam8510posted 7 years agoin reply to this
  Norine, all of what is written here is opinion. You call yours revelation from God, but it is merely your opinion on which you place far too high a value. Some of us argue with you solely because we refuse to surrender the HP forums to such as you.
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  Norine Williamsposted 7 years agoin reply to this
  They didn't & still don't "surrender" to JESUS either!
  Why does HE tell me thgs I haven't read n Bible then "guide" me to Scripture? I've been telling ALL Paul was n JESUS' stead; & this wk found Acts 1:2! Explain!
  No one "taught!" I just
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  cam8510posted 7 years agoin reply to this
  Norine, you aren't the only one who prays, reads the Bible and has insights as a result. I'm glad it works for you. But you consider yourself to be the judge of the rightness or wrongness of another's insights. This is not godliness, it is arrogance.
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  Norine Williamsposted 7 years agoin reply to this
  That's where u're wrong! I don't judge! I tell what GOD SAID by using HIS WORD! I can "prove" w/WORD my belief! Can they? Do they give WORD? Look how long u've been talking & no WORD! GOD SAYS what I write & believe!
  READ my HUB re: Paul BE
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  cam8510posted 7 years agoin reply to this
  Norine, Do you think there is a way for you to communicate your insights into scripture that would encourage people to listen rather than causing them not to listen? I'm sure you have important things to say, but people put up defenses to your style.
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  Norine Williamsposted 7 years agoin reply to this
  "And it shall come to pass, when thou shalt shew people all these words, & they shall say, "Wherefore hath the LORD pronounced all this great evil against us? or what is our iniquity? or what is our sin..."(Jer 16:10-20)!
  IDK how, Bible open here
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  cam8510posted 7 years agoin reply to this
  Matthew 4:25 "there followed him great multitudes...from Galilee...from Decapolis...from Jerusalem, and from Judaea, and from beyond Jordan." I don't mean to he rude, Norine, but when Jesus spoke, the crowds came. When you speak, they run away.
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  Norine Williamsposted 7 years agoin reply to this
  We have become a nation of "itching ears" (2Tim 4:3)! Heb 4:12 says WORD "cuts!" Who loves that? We worship God but don't "humble" ourselves (2Chron 7:14)! If WORD interferes w/our desires, called "hateful!" Read 2Kgs 17:29-41;serve our own god!
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  cam8510posted 7 years agoin reply to this
  Jonah 4:1-"But it displeased Jonah exceedingly, and he was very angry." The kindness of God toward sinful men caused the prophet to be bitter. God cured the bitter heart of Jonah who could speak only judgment.
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  Norine Williamsposted 7 years agoin reply to this
  Jonah "disobeyed!" I give WORD!
  Re:"Christians" running: Heb 12:9;11!
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  cam8510posted 7 years agoin reply to this
  Norine, you are Jonah. He was angry at sinful men for not repenting. When they did, he was bitter. You are angry at fellow believers who have already repented and walk with God. Are you bitter that God has not judged them according to your standard?
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  Norine Williamsposted 7 years agoin reply to this
  If one does not live under New Covenant (what JESUS died for) how do they "walk w/GOD?"
  I'm angry bcuz they deny JESUS speaking thru Paul under NC, deny POWER of Holy Spirit, deny "Grace" (Rm 8:1), deny ONE SPIRIT, deny Acts 2:38;42, deny Heb 7,8,9
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  cam8510posted 7 years agoin reply to this
  No one denied these things. Only you see denial. Jonah had to learn a lesson at the end of chapter 4. He loved things more than he loved people. You love your finely tuned beliefs more than you care about your fellow believers. Shame on you, Norine.
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  Norine Williamsposted 7 years agoin reply to this
  If u have child, would u not tell him FIRE BURNS? That's LOVE! So it is w/me! I give WORD (TRUTH) & tell ALL Gal 1:6-9="ACCURSED!" That's LOVE!
  Shame on you for not doing same!
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  cam8510posted 7 years agoin reply to this
  haha, shame on us both. Me for falling short of your expectations. You for not understanding Jonah.
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  Norine Williamsposted 7 years agoin reply to this
  FOOL! Shame on you for not believing what JESUS died for "The Gospel of Christ" (GRACE) under the New Covenant & not understanding "GOD" has Mercy on whom HE pleases!Jonah was but a "vessel" who (as u&I) can fall short if we don't accept HE'S
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RJ Schwartzposted 7 years ago
Eric - what is normal? The world seems to revolve around taking sides and I think opposing sides might both see themselves as the normal ones and their opposition as abnormal.
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  Ericdierkerposted 7 years agoin reply to this
  Yes Ralph that is a never ending cycle. Obsessive devotion to setting laws in place seems abnormal at all times.
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  Norine Williamsposted 7 years agoin reply to this
  "Normal" is knowing GOD'S WORD if Christian. There are no "sides" just TRUTH in WORD! Follow "Chain of Events" in Scripture to follow Christ then "Normal" Christian!
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  Edwinoel Tanglaoposted 7 years agoin reply to this
  In 1 Corinthians 2:14, "The person without the Spirit (natural person) does not accept the things that come from the Spirit of God but considers them foolishness, and cannot understand them because they are discerned only through the Spirit."
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  Norine Williamsposted 7 years agoin reply to this
  READ Hebrews 7,8,9 to "understand" the "Catholic Faith" is in error!
  Eph 2:8-9 "Not by "our works," lest any man should boast," but the Holy Spirit now "WORKS!"
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  RJ Schwartzposted 7 years agoin reply to this
  Norine - I'm not going to read your handbook for indoctrination. Prove your point without a scripture quote....I dare you. You're indoctrinated and a zealot - you'll say what ever your handler tells you to.
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  Norine Williamsposted 7 years agoin reply to this
  Matt 13:3-9!
  Then "ignore!"
  My "Handler" is the Holy Spirit the "opposite" of yours (Jn 8:44)!
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  jonnycomelatelyposted 7 years agoin reply to this
  "Handler" sounds like someone leading a wire-haired terrier around the show ring.
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  Norine Williamsposted 7 years agoin reply to this
  Because you can't think "Spiritually" (Jn 14:26)! "Leads & guides!" HALLELUJAH!
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  Readmikenowposted 7 years agoin reply to this
  When I was younger I thought I knew what was normal. Then I traveled to a number of foreign countries. I visited Israel, Egypt, India, Hong Kong, etc. I learned what is normal is different all over the world. It put life in perspective for me.
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  Ericdierkerposted 7 years agoin reply to this
  When I wrote this question out I was referring to normal as a person without a pronounced handicap of some sort prohibiting them from forming cognitive thought. Some are impaired. Not about different views.
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  Norine Williamsposted 7 years agoin reply to this
  "Normal" is what MAJORITY rules as "normal! Nothing "normal" to mere man when speaking of "Spiritual" things as Eric perceives "impaired!"
  ONLY GOD'S WORD RULES when speaking of "SPIRITUAL" (Bible) things!
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  Edwinoel Tanglaoposted 7 years agoin reply to this
  Ralph I pray that u will open your heart to d Lord n humble yourself to Him n see what truth can be revealed in your heart is you begin to 'love in truth,' no malice, only d pureness of ur heart to learn fr d Holy Spirit, den c truth in God's words.
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  Norine Williamsposted 7 years agoin reply to this
  My PRECISE prayer for you Ed!
  
  READ HEBREWS!
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tamarawilhiteposted 7 years ago
The Bible verse too many say means "do not judge" or never judge anything wrong is not a command never to say anything is right or wrong.
The full verse says judge not lest ye be judged, remove the beam from your eye before you pick the speck from their eye. The correct interpretation of this is "don't punish people severely for things you're doing yourself, and never punish people severely when you're doing worse".
Christians ARE called to call out right and wrong, based on the Ten Commandments. Jesus fulfilled the law, eliminating all the Kosher requirements, but he didn't nullify commandments never to commit adultery, murder, theft. And since Jesus did call out sinners to tell them to stop sinning and chased money lenders from the temple, he did indeed judge others when they were wrong and seek to correct things. He was simply more compassionate, not killing people for infractions and giving them a do-over.
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  Norine Williamsposted 7 years agoin reply to this
  Yes, Matt 7:1 says (YOU) "Judge not..." but GOD loves "judgment" (Isaiah 61:8)! We judge when not in WORD & should ONLY judge w/WORD; then not us judging but GOD! How else can u LOVE your neighbor (Lev 19:17)?
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  Edwinoel Tanglaoposted 7 years agoin reply to this
  Judgement is in the word of God itself, for the word is active and alive, it remains to judge us accordingly in our ways, as in Matthew 12:37, Jesus said, "For by your words you will be acquitted, and by your words you will be condemned."
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  Norine Williamsposted 7 years agoin reply to this
  Why I don't use "my words" to REBUKE or JUDGE, but GOD'S; therefore, IT is GOD "judging!"
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  celafoeposted 7 years agoin reply to this
  noreen-- it time to take your meds and relax for a while. your attacks have rendered you of no value in a Christian debate.
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  Norine Williamsposted 7 years agoin reply to this
  Charlie - It seems you've "overdosed" on yours or you would have clearer "understanding!" Or is it you lack Something else?
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  jonnycomelatelyposted 7 years agoin reply to this
  Charlie and Norine, go share an apartment together for 12 months. See if all your Christmases might come at once. You might both become enlightened.
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  Norine Williamsposted 7 years agoin reply to this
  We already share the same "Apartment" in many areas! Too bad you're out there "in the cold!"
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  Edwinoel Tanglaoposted 7 years agoin reply to this
  Tamara see how Saint Peter loved Jesus. He messed up and sinned but Jesus knows him, as He knows us, what is inside of us. If you love Jesus He knows. The HS searches the hearts to see the attitude of men. We can't hide anything fr d HS -Divine Plan
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  Norine Williamsposted 7 years agoin reply to this
  Ed: TRUE! BUT you MUST believe ALL of HIS WORD!
  Have you read the Book of Hebrews yet where there are no more "rituals & sacrifices" for Christ HAS DONE IT ALL & "ANYTHING" we DO underminds HIS DEATH? No More Communion for HE is the BREAD
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  celafoeposted 7 years agoin reply to this
  tamara- you do not understand. the OT was given ONLY to the jews, no part was given to us. the NT is a brand new covenant given to whosoever will meet it requirements. NONE of the OT survives, jesus FULFILLED it ALL. ONLY UNCONVERTED JEWS ACCEPT
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  Rich kelleyposted 7 years agoin reply to this
  Matthew 5:18 For truly I tell you, until heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest letter, not the least stroke of a pen, will by any means disappear from the Law until everything is accomplished.
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  Ericdierkerposted 7 years agoin reply to this
  Rich, isn't that saying that when Christ has accomplished his task on earth?
  I will go back and read the chapter again.
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  Rich kelleyposted 7 years agoin reply to this
  "until heaven and earth disappear" "everything is accomplished"
  These things have not happened yet.
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  celafoeposted 7 years agoin reply to this
  RICH-YOU NEED TO READ & UNDERSTAND IT CORRECTLY. Matt 5:18-19 For assuredly, I say to you, till heaven and earth pass away, one jot or one tittle will by no means pass from the law till all is fulfilled.JESUS FULFILLED IT ALL, IT IS FINISHED/DO
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  Rich kelleyposted 7 years agoin reply to this
  Mat 5:19 Therefore anyone who sets aside one of the least of these commands and teaches others accordingly will be called least in the kingdom of heaven, but whoever practices and teaches these commands will be called great in the kingdom of heaven.
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  celafoeposted 7 years agoin reply to this
  RICH- the NT did not begin until Jesus death. They were under the OT at MT 5:19.. The bible is divided wrong the NT begins MT 27:45. at that point the OT was fulfilled and done.
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  Norine Williamsposted 7 years agoin reply to this
  Charlie is RIGHT, Rich! But IT goes "deeper!"
  The world is blind! Paul was chosen as JESUS' "vessel" to cont for HIM or Jer 31:33;Heb8:10;10:16 LIED!
  "Pauline Doctrine" is what Satan has used to TWIST "TRUTH" to gain souls!
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  Rich kelleyposted 7 years agoin reply to this
  Hose 4:6 My people are destroyed for lack of knowledge. Because you have rejected knowledge, I also will reject you from being My priest. Since you have forgotten the law of your God, I also will forget your children.
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  celafoeposted 7 years agoin reply to this
  rich- apparently you are not open to understanding OT vs NT. The OT law says within itself that it to the jews and that it is temporary and that Jesus will institute a new and permanent covenant to last forever. no sense in going on in this.
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  Norine Williamsposted 7 years agoin reply to this
  Celafoe, does Scripture say we should let one continue in TWISTED Doctrine or "PROVE" w/WORD where he's wrong?
  Although from past experience w/HUBBERS, they DON'T CARE "what" IS WRITTEN!
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  Rich kelleyposted 7 years agoin reply to this
  Revelation 14:12 This calls for patient endurance on the part of the people of God who keep his commands and remain faithful to Jesus.
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  Norine Williamsposted 7 years agoin reply to this
  Rich: TRUTH is given & u are facetious?
  Study New Testament (Acts forward) where we CURRENTLY live which is under GRACE & TRUTH!
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  Rich kelleyposted 7 years agoin reply to this
  1John 5:2-3 This is how we know that we love the children of God: by loving God and carrying out his commands. In fact, this is love for God: to keep his commands. And his commands are not burdensome,
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  Rich kelleyposted 7 years agoin reply to this
  2John 1:9 Anyone who runs ahead and does not continue in the teaching of Christ does not have God; whoever continues in the teaching has both the Father and the Son.
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Readmikenowposted 7 years ago
The bible was written in three different languages: Hebrew, Aramaic, and Greek. Anybody who knows translations knows that the connotations and denotations of words are difficult to translate.

To know the bible requires a knowledge of history as well as language. Matthew 19:24 says "Again I tell you, it is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for someone who is rich to enter the kingdom of God."

How many Christians realize that the eye of a needle was a place in ancient Israel that was an opening in the side of a wall. This is where merchants had to get their camels down and crawl through. They could only sell merchandise from the back of the camel up to the top of the opening. In English, most people think of a sewing needle. This is just one example, and there are many. Unless you commit to learning the history and languages, much of the Bible will not be known by you. To truly know the Bible takes a significant commitment. Unless you make and honor that commitment, you're just repeating words.
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  Norine Williamsposted 7 years agoin reply to this
  WRONG! "Unless you commit to learning the history and languages, much of the Bible will not be known by you."
  Do u really think man's intellect supersedes JESUS (Holy Spirit)?
  If WORD says "HE would "LEAD & GUIDE US INTO "ALL" TRUTH" that's
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  Edwinoel Tanglaoposted 7 years agoin reply to this
  In 1 Corinthians 1:19, "For it is written: "I will destroy the wisdom of the wise; the intelligence of the intelligent I will frustrate."" If wickedness n filthy are we, it is d holy n righteous who may see God's Kingdom. W God all things r possible.
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  Norine Williamsposted 7 years agoin reply to this
  "Holy" those who "WAITED" (Acts 1:4) for HELP from Holy Spirit!
  "Lean not to your OWN understanding" (Prov 3:5)!
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  Readmikenowposted 7 years agoin reply to this
  I hope all of you who have responded realize that you are proving my point. Knowing languages and history has nothing to do with intellect and everything to do with knowledge. Being too lazy to learn all you can says much about you.
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  Norine Williamsposted 7 years agoin reply to this
  "..with all thy getting get "understanding" (Prov 4:7)! It's too bad u don't BELIEVE JESUS (aka Holy Spirit) is GREATER than man's "getting" UNDERSTANDING! It's too bad u didn't WAIT for Holy Spirit to "reveal!" It's too bad you think you have more
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  RJ Schwartzposted 7 years agoin reply to this
  Thanks Mike - the zealots only regurgitate what they're told. A book written by many men with many motives sounds more like a political handbook rather than a holy book, but that's just my opinion. History !!!
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  Norine Williamsposted 7 years agoin reply to this
  Then provide that "book" or you sound "ignorant!"
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  AshtonFireflyposted 7 years agoin reply to this
  Excellently stated, Readmikenow. It is difficult to find those who are aware of the effort and challenge it takes to truly understand and translate these passages. People challenge the very methods which produced the translations they accept.
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  Norine Williamsposted 7 years agoin reply to this
  I'm sure you guys "believe" your "knowledge" is more than GOD'S (Holy Spirit) but I have a rude awakening for you. You are the creation while HE is the CREATOR! Since HE doesn't LIE & has said HE'D "lead & guide into ALL truth," who's the "f
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  jonnycomelatelyposted 7 years agoin reply to this
  Norine, since "God" is all in your mind, and you perceive all wisdom as coming from "God," I can see a problem.
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  AshtonFireflyposted 7 years agoin reply to this
  Norine, your beliefs about God come from where? The Bible in front of you. You have a Bible in front of you because people translated it into English for you so you don't have to do it. You're welcome.
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  Norine Williamsposted 7 years agoin reply to this
  There's a DIFFERENCE in Spiritual v carnal! Until u guys mature to the "Spiritual" realm, u r as Atheist & we live in 2 diff worlds! The Holy Spirit (aka GOD) talks to 1 "personally" (crazy to u) & "reveals" ALL TRUTH! Unless u can relate
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  Edwinoel Tanglaoposted 7 years agoin reply to this
  Norine,Charlie,Ron to 'believe in Jesus' means to have that 'true faith' by remaining in His Words; praying to d HS 4 His guidance, d HS reveals mucn.
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  Readmikenowposted 7 years agoin reply to this
  Okay, interesting comments. You can't truly understand the Bible without knowing the history or understanding the languages it was written in, you're confused. Don't just repeat words. Know their history and how they were translated. Stop being lazy.
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  Norine Williamsposted 7 years agoin reply to this
  You (creation) stop being MORE KNOWLEDGEABLE than GOD (CREATOR) as in Rm 1:21-32!
  Anything NOT "revealed" or "inspired" by Holy Spirit is "man" (Rm 3:4)!
  "Lazy" of you not to SEEK HIM who has MORE KNOWLEDGE (I Cor 1:25)!
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  LeslieAdrienneposted 7 years agoin reply to this
  To truly know the Bible takes the revelation of the Holy Spirit...
  
  (1Cor 2:14)But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.
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  Norine Williamsposted 7 years agoin reply to this
  Amen!
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  Kiss andTalesposted 7 years agoin reply to this
  And who ever and what ever you are using the name of miller means nothing to me .just you . So it is vain you keep throwing this name out.
  Jehovah and Jesus is the only name I am concerned about.
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  Norine Williamsposted 7 years agoin reply to this
  Wm Miller, Baptist man who estab JW in 1800's & LIED! U serve "man-made" doctrine & time u "mature" into TRUTH! U've been "brain-washed" by man (SATAN)! U thk there are 2 Spirit (beings) as Trinity blvrs do 3! ONE SPIRIT (I Cor 12)! TIME U "
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Edwinoel Tanglaoposted 7 years ago
God's love for us all is summed up in d truth about d 'word of God,' where Jesus is d 'word,' as d 'word' made flesh. From God made incarnate in flesh.

Mankind, d foremost of all creation, comes human wisdom in d flesh, but rightly so, d truth is "man was created in the image and likeness of God," his image is d Spirit of God in him, without his spirit he may soon perish in sins from his flesh, the imperfect likeness of Jesus and the angels, in form n body, comes our imperfection, as time n space may pass, d more we may see d reality of r imperfection, for d flesh is as imperfect as time n space are.

But d spirit in us is perfect, our image in r spirit, has made possible r perfection in d flesh, as 1 body w Christ.

Darkness cannot create, only d light can create. But since we are being tested in d light, it is our faith that will see us redeemed by our imperfection as we seek what is true in this life.

In darkness we may see us stumble and may fall, but in the light, we may see our soul being perfected in the light, for truth remains in d light.

If interpretation of d Bible is made by a normal human being not possessing d light, d natural person may come corrupted in his personal interpretation, his 'opinion' as one may say.

But d truth is in d light, where d Spirit of God is, where d 'word' of God remains true, forever n eternal, for it speaks of everlasting love n eternal mercy upon those who humble themselves to d 'word' of truth - it is "active and alive," "sharper than d double-edged sword" that "penetrates d dividing soul n spirit, joints n marrow; it judges d thoughts n attitudes of d heart."

Darkness cannot hide from d light, justice n truth will seek darkness n evil, ready 2 condemn evil in man, what s untrue in d flesh.

D 1 in d light will remain victorious for in d pureness of his soul, d light will lead him to salvation, in possession of d Spirit of God, he remains in-corruptible, for he has d light by his side, n believes that d 'word' in d light will never come to pass, though passing things of heaven or earth may come 2 pass.

History tells us of imperfection in d passage of time n space, where human opinions n theories may thrive in error.

But 1 who possesses d Spirit of Truth comes d binding truth of d cross n creation, best explained by 'divine logic,' attuned 2 what s true in d 'word,' n signs fr God he may c.

Eternal truth n divine wisdom in man defines d 'word.'
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  Norine Williamsposted 7 years agoin reply to this
  MY GOD! You UNDERSTAND! We MUST "WAIT" for HELP fm d Holy Spirit to connect to D SPIRIT for CORRECT "revelation" not "opinions!"
  "But d spirit in us is perfect, our image in r spirit, has made possible r perfection in d flesh, as 1 body w Christ."
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  Edwinoel Tanglaoposted 7 years agoin reply to this
  Amen, Norine and those who remain in Jesus, for the Kingdom of God is revealed in us by the HS. God has conquered the world through the shedding of the blood of Christ. We become one body with Him in our repentance of our sins, cleansed - blood.
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  Norine Williamsposted 7 years agoin reply to this
  Ed: But make VERY SURE u are living under the New Covenant in the Gospel of Christ as they did on the Day of Pentecost & thereafter or Gal 1:6-9! Paul's the New Covenant's "Moses!" LISTEN TO HIM!
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  Edwinoel Tanglaoposted 7 years agoin reply to this
  Norine, d truth is in what is revealed to my by the HS. D Kingdom of God is w/in r heart of love, it's a glimpse of d new Israel, d Kingdom of God as d New Heaven d New earth. Open ur heart 2 Christ's words n feel d HS w holy ones, liv forever w Chri
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  Norine Williamsposted 7 years agoin reply to this
  Ed: YOU cont in "twisted" Catholic Faith! I live under New Covenant BELIEVING what HE DIED for "putting laws on hearts & minds" (Jer 31:33), "OBSERVING" apostles (Matt 28:20), "WAITING" for HELP (Acts 1:4), or "ACCURSED" (Gal 1:6-9)!
  AFTER THE C
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  KingdomComeposted 7 years agoin reply to this
  Catholic Church is pure evil with a lot of false doctrine. And filthy rich because of greed
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  Norine Williamsposted 7 years agoin reply to this
  KC: Amen! "In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the GLORIOUS GOSPEL OF CHRIST, who is THE IMAGE OF GOD, should shine unto them!"
  
  I cry!
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Ashae Harrisposted 7 years ago
Please allow me the opportunity to use this forum to vent my personal interpretation of two biblical scriptures:.

2 Corinthians 12:1-12 or Revelation:2:21 - 23.

I will assume that the correct interpretation of my existing unemployed situation is the 2 Corinthians scripture. I will not list visions or revelations, but things that should be humanly possible, I was shown on the tour of Marion County, Florida.

1 BG Equestrian Resort.
http://partners.ocalamarion.com/partner … an-resort/

2. Disney Informational Center - a center to design the new It's a small world ride. The design of the ride will incorporate most of the subjects studied in undergraduate engineering school.

3. Silver Springs Theme and Water Park. These parks currently host country music concerts. However, I have heard it said that visiting the parks once is enough. I suggest that the off-season is used to revise the rides and shows, so every opening season represents a new theme.

4.Do Art. It was here in Ocala when I was on the tour.

5. Christian Book Store (closed)

6. Fun factory (closed)

7. Substitute Teacher calling system

8. Workforce at Central Florida College

9. West Marion Community Hospital/ Quick Care

10. Changing the mailboxes in Whispering Pine (Timberwalk) every five years

11. Marion Oaks Assembly Of God (I do not know what my daughter will be doing after high school, therefore, I would like her to do art work for Disney Tropical Theme Park/ Disney Information Center)

12. Ocala International Airport. - the current location of the airport is too small to build an international airport, therefore another location should be chosen to build the Ocala International Airport.

13. Extreme Kids, and Creative Kids

14. Deluca YMCA

15. Fast Track Staffing

16 Express Staffing

17. CTAE

18. Forest High School / Horizon High School

19. On Top of the World - Walmart

20 On Top of the World - Publix

I am claiming my truth to be the truth, and I am not unbalanced. Thank you for allowing me to post my wishes. I need to get out of the house.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xSAyOlQuVX4
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  Norine Williamsposted 7 years agoin reply to this
  Now if you had "WAITED" you'd not be "looking for job" for Holy Spirit "leads & guides one into ALL TRUTH" for all situations! Matt 6:33 "Seek ye FIRST..& ALL thgs will be added unto u." Go ahead, "get out house,' but get CHRIST 1st!!!
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  Edwinoel Tanglaoposted 7 years agoin reply to this
  God gave us talents to hone through the HS guidance. Pray, rejoice and do your best as you move forward to glorify God who gave you life and gifts, that you and you household may be blessed guided by His commandments and His words of truth.
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  Norine Williamsposted 7 years agoin reply to this
  HIS WORD OF TRUTH!
  Read Book of Hebrews & tell if you following "The Gospel of Christ" (Gal 1:6-9)!
  Catholic Faith has deceived you!
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  Edwinoel Tanglaoposted 7 years agoin reply to this
  Norine, ol protestants outside of d vine of 'true faith' remain corrupted w ol things passing, but hope is in d blood of Christ, forgiveness of sins by God's covenant in us, comes d blood of Christ to cleanse us of sins, John 6:57-58 Christ's promise
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  Norine Williamsposted 7 years agoin reply to this
  WORD says when one gives TRUTH (WORD) "Search to see if so" (Acts 17:11)!
  "STUDY" (II Tim 2:15)!
  READ Book of Hebrews to see your "Catholic Faith" errs!
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  Edwinoel Tanglaoposted 7 years agoin reply to this
  Ashae when u are preoccupied w d world, c the healing light of Christ, if u follow his teaching u can be his disciple. And d truth will set u free - John 8:31. Be freed fr worldly things, have peace n love in Christ. See light in ur talents. Live
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  Norine Williamsposted 7 years agoin reply to this
  " if u follow his teaching u can be his disciple." Are you following Hebrews or do you continue to "DISREGARD?" If so, are you "a disciple?"
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The Examiner-1posted 7 years ago
People should feel that they are right, if they want to feel that. Leave judging others to God.
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  Norine Williamsposted 7 years agoin reply to this
  "Christians" job to "judge!"
  Apparently, you're not?
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  celafoeposted 7 years agoin reply to this
  no one has the right to " Feel" good if they are scripturally wrong. follow scripture not man means to crucify your flesh, kill the natural man and become Spiritual man and then you have no need to feel special.
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  Ericdierkerposted 7 years agoin reply to this
  Charlie dictates misery. We must be enslaved. We are not good enough. Please excuse us Christians that love life.
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  jonnycomelatelyposted 7 years agoin reply to this
  For anyone to follow scripture so blindly and so unquestioningly, would be a travesty, refusing to use the brain for intelligent thinking. See you in Hell, Charlie?
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  Ericdierkerposted 7 years agoin reply to this
  Alan, do I have to check my brain at the door to be Christian? Charlie hates the "clergy hirelings" because they dictate thought to the masses, but then he turns around and tells me how to think. Is something for free more valuable?
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  celafoeposted 7 years agoin reply to this
  eric & alan-- such childish false attacks from you two prove that your love cult is not of God. I have not tried to tell you what to think, just explained some scriptures correctly. but only HS filled Christians can understand
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  The Examiner-1posted 7 years agoin reply to this
  Norine, who said that it was Christians job to judge? I think that they should love God and believe in God and leave the final judgement up to Him.
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  Norine Williamsposted 7 years agoin reply to this
  Why don't u read Scripture I provide? Let 19:17 "REBUKE" Is 61:8 "GOD LOVES JUDGMENT!"
  GOOGLE "Is it Right to Judge?"
  ALL WORD!
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  Edwinoel Tanglaoposted 7 years agoin reply to this
  God searches the hearts through the HS. Grammar n semantics are negligible in the eyes of God for He knows who u are. The 'word' of God is forever active n alive, may God bless u all that u may see God's light in u as u open ur heart 2 d Lord.
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  Norine Williamsposted 7 years agoin reply to this
  GOD has given WORD & told HIS to "judge" w/HIS WORD (Righteous judgment)!
  
  U need not listen to "man made" doctrine (Catholic Faith) & listen to WORD!
  Study the Book of Hebrews to see if "your belief" is right!
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  Edwinoel Tanglaoposted 7 years agoin reply to this
  Matthew 12:37, Jesus said, "For by your words you will be acquitted, by your words you will be condemned." For indeed, the words of God are ever active and alive. It judges every thoughts and attitude of the heart.
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  Ericdierkerposted 7 years agoin reply to this
  Interesting concept. What does "word" translate back to Greek and Latin? What does word mean biblically? "A man of his word" means action. We forget that now in the PC world.
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  Norine Williamsposted 7 years agoin reply to this
  GREAT! I don't give "my word" BUT HIS=RIGHTEOUS! "Catholic Faith" told u not to "judge?" Google "Is It Right to Judge?" & see GOD'S WORDS! HE LOVES JUDGMENT & needs to "open the EYES of your heart" (Eph 1:18) to leave "TRADITION!"
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  Ericdierkerposted 7 years agoin reply to this
  Norine, I have 30 email alerts about you. You just cannot act like you are not frivolous -- you are. You are like a bad FB friend. Too much and Too often. Take a chill pill and actually use short sentences to say what you mean.
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  Norine Williamsposted 7 years agoin reply to this
  Eric: MUST BE talking like JESUS! They called HIM a "Blasphemer!" TRUTH doesn't want to be heard! WORD says so! That should tell u something! When doesn't want to be heard, Satan has WON!
  ALL should LISTEN & "STUDY" WORD for SALVATION!
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  celafoeposted 7 years agoin reply to this
  norine/eric- you two are much alike, both have a single doctrine that you push. difference is the lawyer knows how to stroke the silly sheep and not upset them. instead of the full Gospel you each concentrate on a small portion. all is needed
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  Norine Williamsposted 7 years agoin reply to this
  Charlie: Give WORD or just "your opinion"=NOTHING! I give WORD! You have "itching ears" & refuse WORD (TRUTH)! Against what u & "friends" dreamed up so u "attack!" U can't chg Scripture! ONE SPIRIT "sons & DAUGHTERS will prophecy" & B
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  Ericdierkerposted 7 years agoin reply to this
  Charlie that is an interesting concept. Makes me think. I think I do get wrapped up in "‘You shall love your neighbor as yourself". But the Spirit seems to tell me that is my purpose. I appreciate yours also.
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  celafoeposted 7 years agoin reply to this
  noreen/eric Part two-- A partatl Gospel is NOT THE Gospel, it is only one piece and ALL of it has to be understood
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  Norine Williamsposted 7 years agoin reply to this
  Well, you better "hope" Gal 1:6-9 LIED because IT clearly states "If ANYONE preach any other GOSPEL, let him be "ACCURSED!" 2X's! It's in WORD! U have half! Just "spin off" fm "Trinity" Father & Son when HE SAID "ONE SPIRIT" (I Cor 12)!
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  Ericdierkerposted 7 years agoin reply to this
  I have never been acquainted with someone who claimed to understand all of the Word. I just assumed they would have to be in a "heaven" concept - Angel? I understand some Clergy claim to understand all. Enlighten me Charlie.
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  celafoeposted 7 years agoin reply to this
  eric- i have NEVER said I know it ALL. but I do know the scripture very well as I have devoted most of y adult life to learn with the help of the HS, taught by HS only never looked at mans doctines until I believed I had the mind of God on subject
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  Ericdierkerposted 7 years agoin reply to this
  Cool. I come another way. Religion as mother's milk. College learning and being a preacher to round out my path. Then questioning the structure. Questioning hirelings and liturgy. The only thing I find unquestionable is Matt 22
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  Norine Williamsposted 7 years agoin reply to this
  Think u found "CliffsNotes" to heaven Eric? WRONG! Lazy rascal!
  Matt 22:37 means "Feed my sheep if u love me" (w/WORD) in Jn 21:17! YOU FAILED!
  (V39) "Love neighbor as thyself!" Lev 19:17 "REBUKE brother in sin" (w/WORD)! YOU FAILED AGAIN!
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  celafoeposted 7 years agoin reply to this
  eric -- I dont get what you mean Matt 22? vs?
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  Ericdierkerposted 7 years agoin reply to this
  Charlie I really don't like taking things out of context or quoting a specific - I do it but do not care for it. But I was getting at 36-40
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  Norine Williamsposted 7 years agoin reply to this
  What I like about u Eric, U r HONEST! Ur belief is "twisted" but you're faithful!
  You can't use "CliffsNotes" w/WORD! U MUST "STUDY" in chrono order to move into current dispensation! Gospels under LAW & we r no longer there! We live AFTER Acts!
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  celafoeposted 7 years agoin reply to this
  eric- i think what is causing you ? with those verses is that Jesus had not died yet so they were still under the LAW at that point. bible error. NT begins after Jesus death . Mat 27:45 0r resurrection . fully in place acts 2 when HS given
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  Norine Williamsposted 7 years agoin reply to this
  Charlie is RIGHT! We live "AFTER" the Day of Pentecost & is why I say he has half right! Tradition(s), male pride & ego prevents other half!
  Humility is HARD for men!
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  Edwinoel Tanglaoposted 7 years agoin reply to this
  Norine it's d 'word' to acquit us and 'word' that we use to condemn us, for d 'word' of God in Christ will condemn us if we refuse to believe. 2 fully underst'd scriptures, needs 2 c Christ in Him, yes, d Sp of God in Him, d HS's gift comes unders'tg
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  Norine Williamsposted 7 years agoin reply to this
  Yes Ed & I'm using The Book of Hebrews (WORD) to condemn the FALSE DOCTRINE of the Holy Eucharist!
  Say IT isn't so?
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akanshaakumarposted 7 years ago
Hi Eric
According to me, every time you read the bible you are able to find out different meanings of the same sentence. Your interpretation changes from time to time.

I believe bible, like any other holy book speaks to the reader and conveys him/her the information apt for him/her at that point of time. It is also believed that, as one climbs the ladder of spirituality, the holy books open up themselves and convey more information.

So, its not the point of claiming, rather it is the point of believing in the message conveyed to you.
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  Ericdierkerposted 7 years agoin reply to this
  Very interesting. You made me reflect "I am right, right now but tomorrow I might be right differently". I just love the word growth. You just changed my outlook for now, thank you.
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  Norine Williamsposted 7 years agoin reply to this
  Amen! Precisely! We GROW! Messenger conveys "revelation" given them & it's up to one to "study" to see if "new revelation" is so!
  The Word of God is ALIVE!
  Only GOD can reveal!
  I was "taught" Communion until Hebrews "revealed" differently!
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  celafoeposted 7 years agoin reply to this
  ????now tarot readers are christian counselors????????
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  Norine Williamsposted 7 years agoin reply to this
  "...as one climbs the ladder of spirituality, the holy books (Scripture) open up themselves and convey more information."
  TO THIS, "I AGREE!" - WE GROW!
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  Edwinoel Tanglaoposted 7 years agoin reply to this
  If you have the Spirit of God, the 'word' is within ur understanding for u live in the light of truth, no matter how semantics may differ, truth in your spirit helps u discern beyond human knowledge, it is but 'divine logic' that frees u fr deception
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  Norine Williamsposted 7 years agoin reply to this
  "Semantics" will NEVER "differ" if THAT SAME SPIRIT (I Cor 12) has "revealed!" Have you heard of "WITH ONE ACCORD" in Acts? No one "differed!" That's the "Spirit of discernment" from the Holy Spirit Who has ONE MIND!
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  akanshaakumarposted 7 years agoin reply to this
  Yes we grow
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  Angele Parrisposted 7 years agoin reply to this
  Let us say, you have two sides - the Jews and the Torah, Christ and the bible. If one lives by the Torah, and disobeys the Torah, then one will be punished by the Torah. If one accepts the bible and disobeys the bible, one is punished by the bible.
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  celafoeposted 7 years agoin reply to this
  yes Angele. well said according to scripture
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  Edwinoel Tanglaoposted 7 years agoin reply to this
  There is only 1 true God Angela, Christ is 'I am,' as the God incarnate, 1 with d Father. Now, all rule n authority is w Him, through Him comes words fr d Father. Promise 2 eternal life comes fr Christ, the truth in r spirit tells us, via d HS in us.
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  celafoeposted 7 years agoin reply to this
  angle&edwinoel- before anyone jumps on it- you are both correct in what you are saying . A is telling what the supposed Christian that keeps the law can expect and ed- talking about salvation which is only thru Christ the Son of God
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  Edwinoel Tanglaoposted 7 years agoin reply to this
  Christ has fulfilled the law of Moses, the Torah prepares for the Passover in the sacred blood of The Lamb that frees us from sin, the Messiah is Yeshua Hamashiach,Jesus the Lord in His resurrection comes our resurrection and oneness w Spirit f God
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  Norine Williamsposted 7 years agoin reply to this
  LAWS have been "FULFILLED!" Anyone living according to Torah Jm 2:10 "offend n 1 pt guilty of all!"GOOD LUCK! Especially when GRACE via JESUS is given!
  Moses Messenger of Old Covenant (LAW) & Paul Messenger of New Covenant (GRACE)!
  FOLLOW CHAIN
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  Edwinoel Tanglaoposted 7 years agoin reply to this
  Everything that happens are all in God's divine plan, no worry for true believers, the corrupt ones may stay filthy and wicked, never understanding of d 'word,' may understand part, cannot explain in full, may do true wisdom of God's Spirit gv u Un
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  Norine Williamsposted 7 years agoin reply to this
  And is why I give WORD! God's Plan for ALL to know "Trinity" errs! I Cor 1:13 asks "IS CHRIST DIVIDED?" & "WERE YOU BAPTIZED in the NAME OF PAUL?" or as disciples were under New Covenant when FIRST CHURCH was established (Acts 2:38)?
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  Kiss andTalesposted 7 years agoin reply to this
  G.O your reply does not answer my comment.
  Hindu believe in their own man made gods.
  Jehovah is not made by human hands he created us .
  Next the problem is not what is written the problem lies in understanding who who he grants to understand.
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  Gaurav Oberoiposted 7 years agoin reply to this
  And my answer is the same 'Get urbhistory right before u comment' Geeta came 3000 years befor Bible.I wont vomment or critisize as u do but hostory speaks for itself Charlie
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  Kiss andTalesposted 7 years agoin reply to this
  G.O that may be true but that has nothing to do with the truth.
  Example you write here on HP.
  Hp existed before we could start writing here as a buisness.
  History of the past existed but when it was released as books has nothing to do with truth
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  Gaurav Oberoiposted 7 years agoin reply to this
  That's peculiar!! So K&T what you r projecting is, that its a bipolar world.Bible is true but Geeta or any other scripture=false i.e the other 4.5bn people are following a lie! Then how come their prayers are also answered just as ur prayers are?
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  Norine Williamsposted 7 years agoin reply to this
  GO If u cont worshiping those gods made of hand, LOST! CREATOR "rains on just & unjust" (Matt5:45) & "will not share HIS Glory" (Is 42:8)! Hindu worship(s) idols Bfore copying Bible! 2 Kgs 17:29
  Where's book w/more prophecies written Bfore Bi
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Magi Morganposted 7 years ago
YES, ONLY AND ONLY BIBLE. BECAUSE OF COMES FROM GOD, REAL GOD
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  Norine Williamsposted 7 years agoin reply to this
  Amen!
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  Ericdierkerposted 7 years agoin reply to this
  Interesting
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  Norine Williamsposted 7 years agoin reply to this
  "Comes from GOD, REAL GOD!"
  I Tim 3:16 "All Scripture is "inspired by GOD..."
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  Edwinoel Tanglaoposted 7 years agoin reply to this
  What remains true in our spirit that connects to the Spirit of God remains true in our being. Flesh and spirit is what we are made of, but the truth of our being is the spirit of truth, while our soul may suffer in sins, the light may save it.
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  Norine Williamsposted 7 years agoin reply to this
  Ed: NEVER forget what Christ DIED & gave us under New Covenant, "GRACE!"
  Eph 2:8-9! GOOD NEWS! Too Good to BELIEVE? "...while our soul may suffer in sins, the light MAY save it."
  "..I will remember their sin NO MORE" (Jer31:34;Heb 8:12;10:17)!
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  Edwinoel Tanglaoposted 7 years agoin reply to this
  Hallelujah to The Lamb, Norine. Ephesians 2:6 'grace through FAITH,' is the emphasis. Grace fr God needs action of man in d love of God n of others (greatest commandments) through FAITH in Christ words n teaching. Boasting not of 'self' but of d LORD
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  Norine Williamsposted 7 years agoin reply to this
  Amen! On that we agree but not on "Trinity" or Holy Euch! FALSE DOCTRINE! "There is a way that SEEMETH RIGHT unto man!"
  READ I Cor 10:14-22; 11:18-34 & HEBREWS!
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celafoeposted 7 years ago
the answer is an emphatic NO. a "normal" person cannot understand the scriptures.
1 Cor 2:14-16 14 But the natural man does not receive the things of the Spirit of God, for they are foolishness to him; nor can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned. 15 But he who is spiritual judges all things, yet he himself is rightly judged by no one. 16 For "who has known the mind of the Lord that he may instruct Him?" But we have the mind of Christ.
only a person, born again according to scripture and following Christ's plan can be filled with the Holy Spirit. and without the Holy Spirit's guidance even one that is born again cannot correctly understand scripture. saying you believe, going to "church, repeating a prayer after someone or saying that all we need is love have absolutely no eternal value .

it takes repentance, committment, a change of lifestyle to become the new creation we must become to be a home for The Holy Spirit who alone can guide us into all truth.

John 16:13 13 However, when He, the Spirit of truth, has come, He will guide you into all truth; for He will not speak on His own authority, but whatever He hears He will speak; and He will tell you things to come.
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  KingdomComeposted 7 years agoin reply to this
  Spot on celafoe.
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  Norine Williamsposted 7 years agoin reply to this
  "...even one that is born again cannot correctly understand scripture."
  Proof is in the pudding!
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  Edwinoel Tanglaoposted 7 years agoin reply to this
  As one is baptized in the true vine of faith, we have already died with Christ with d Holy Spirit building our faith as we open our hearts 2 Him, that He may fill our hearts with God's love as we remain in Christ's words. Again, division is Satan's
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  Norine Williamsposted 7 years agoin reply to this
  NEW REVELATION! Listen celafoe! GOD has "revealed" Paul is the New Covenant "Moses!" Heb 13:8 Jesus Christ, the same yesterday today & forever!" I tried to email u, but computer didn't allow! I have gift of prophecy in which Scripture "reveale
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  celafoeposted 7 years agoin reply to this
  norine-- sorry but I do not trust what you say unless the HolySpirit confirms it, so far no go. i can see nothing to do with Paul in the verse you quote
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  Norine Williamsposted 7 years agoin reply to this
  Didn't HE use Moses as "a vessel" when HE gave 10 Commandments? The same w/Paul (Acts 9:15) when HE gave "The Gospel of Christ" which is GRACE! That's why HE is "the same yesterday, today & forever" (Heb 13:8)!.
  He who has "ears," let him "hear!"
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  Edwinoel Tanglaoposted 7 years agoin reply to this
  Norine Mary is never worship in d Catholic Faith. It's evil n darkness in people who believe in this for they devide d church of 'true faith,' blessed by d blood of Christ. Mary is an elect of God to b d mother of Christ. Truth in ur spirit reveals
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  Norine Williamsposted 7 years agoin reply to this
  Ed; Why "hail" Mary? That's EVIL!
  GOD "...will NOT share HIS Glory" (Is 42:8)!
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Ericdierkerposted 7 years ago
And so be it. Wonderful expressions of love. Everyone a little different. Each endowed. I must stop at the grocery store check out line and savor the moment. Do not call me the fool. You there-you are born of the word. Ron is best spoken. And isn't that grand but Billy Bob is poorly spoken and isn't that grand.
Are those who insist on a position better than you who do not? I really want to know my neighbor. But I am so stupid that I judge her first.
Yep I am just like you. Goodness is in you, let it thrive.
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  Edwinoel Tanglaoposted 7 years agoin reply to this
  D true judge is d living God, in Christ's Jesus, fr His mouth comes judgement n words fr D Father who sent the Son. Man's judgement may never d trusted, if ruled by d flesh, not by d Spirit of God. For d flesh remains imperfect O/T , Spirit is Truth.
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  Norine Williamsposted 7 years agoin reply to this
  I Cor 6:3 "Don't u know we will judge angels?"
  GOOGLE "Is It Right to Judge!"
  Why remain in "twisted" doctrine (Catholic Faith)?
  STUDY (II Tim 2:15)!
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  Kiss andTalesposted 7 years agoin reply to this
  Eric this scripture is understood out of text and used wrong. Paul humbly referred to himself as a fool . He did not use the word to attack his fellow brothers.
  Interesting how far people will stretch Gods word to attack others.
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  Norine Williamsposted 7 years agoin reply to this
  K&T: U lie in wait like "an old vulture" (Scribes/Pharisees) trying to "trip up GOD?" R u a FOOL? I give HIS WORD & if HE SAYS "I would not have u "IGNORANT" (I Thess 4:13) & "O "FOOLISH" Galatians" (Gal3:1), who r u?
  Girl, u can't be
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yecallposted 7 years ago
I don't think so. Humility requires everyone to admit that no one has all the answers. It is an important part of intelligence to keep your mind open and be receptive to various explanations. Consider everything.
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  mike102771posted 7 years agoin reply to this
  Humility, intelligence, an open mind and receptive to various explanations on the internet about the bible (or any subject)? Good luck.
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  Ericdierkerposted 7 years agoin reply to this
  The mere fact that someone speaks up shows a simple lack of humility.
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  Norine Williamsposted 7 years agoin reply to this
  Eric: Really?
  "HUMILITY" is giving up "self" believing & having FAITH in HIS WORD!
  Matt 28:20 "teach.." "make disciples..."
  HOW can we do this if silent?
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  celafoeposted 7 years agoin reply to this
  yecall=yes look at all, keep that which is of God, discard that which is not.
  eric speaking up is NOT A LACK OF HUMILITY, humility is an attitude has nothing to do with whether one speaks or not. your false humility is not Christian
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  Ericdierkerposted 7 years agoin reply to this
  I think you are right on this one Charlie. Lincoln said: "Obedience to the law is the greatest freedom" Certainly that pertains to God's law. Humility is first obedience.
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  Norine Williamsposted 7 years agoin reply to this
  Eric: Who is "Lincoln" & what does what he says have to do w/GOD? U sound "ridiculous" comparing "carnal" to "Spiritual!"
  Humility is "giving up SELF" BELIEVING & HAVING "FAITH" in HIS WORD that u have STUDIED!
  Can u please do that?
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  Edwinoel Tanglaoposted 7 years agoin reply to this
  yecall Humility to God in Christ encompasses ol human wisdom leading 2 sins in d flesh where corruption fr d evil one rules d soul. Christ wants us to strive to holiness n righteousness in Him. Remain in Him in 'true faith' n live in Christ - H Euch.
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  Norine Williamsposted 7 years agoin reply to this
  U blv in that "ritual" (Holy Euc) more than JESUS, don't u? Otherwise, u would blv Hebrews! GOD or man? Who?
  "Choose!"
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Sandi Kroegerposted 7 years ago
I think the key word in your question is "rightfully"! We all want to be "right" in our thoughts, words and deeds but many times we are not...whether we will admit it or not. Those who can never admit they could be wrong about anything need to practice tolerance for other's viewpoints.
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  celafoeposted 7 years agoin reply to this
  tolerance of incorrect scriptural teachings/beliefs is TOTALLY CONTRARY TO SCRIPTURE. incorrect understanding is to be exposed and corrected. there are to be NO DIVISIONS. divisions (denominations) are of man, not God
  
  9denominations) are
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  Ericdierkerposted 7 years agoin reply to this
  The point obviously is that who is correct? How does one man say what is right as opposed to another one. Assume they both have the Holy Spirit.
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  Norine Williamsposted 7 years agoin reply to this
  Holy Spirit does not tell 1 one thing & 1 another! It is 1's "measure of faith" in WORD that takes 1 higher & "openness" to chg "thinking" by STUDYING WORD to "see if Message given is so" (Acts 17:11)!
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  KingdomComeposted 7 years agoin reply to this
  And that't your problem Eric, to assume both or even one would have the HS. The HS never guides one into false doctrine or TRADITIONS. Many confuse TRADITIONS for doctrine. Many believe traditions to be doctrine.
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  Edwinoel Tanglaoposted 7 years agoin reply to this
  Sandi Norine Charlie Read John 14:15-31, the Advocate (HS) will reveal to d true believes what is true in their spirit, n what was taught by Jesus. In John 6, have life w Christ flesh, Roman 6, holiness n sanctification is in blood of Christ. Blsgs
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  Norine Williamsposted 7 years agoin reply to this
  If one gives WORD that's from Holy Spirit & not an "assumption!"
  REMEMBER: IF NOT IN WORD, NOT FROM HOLY SPIRIT!
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  Ericdierkerposted 7 years agoin reply to this
  Norine you are saying that if it is not a quote from the Bible then it cannot be from the Holy Spirit? So what of a normal conversation while helping a homeless person with food and shelter?
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  Norine Williamsposted 7 years agoin reply to this
  Have you forgotten YOUR Q? "normal" "interpret" Bible to say they're right?" Normal to GOD isn't "normal" to man!
  HS'S job to "reveal" not "interpret!"
  READ I Cor 2:10-16 HS "reveals!"
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Lucifergusonposted 7 years ago
If this question was asked of another topic I think the answer would seem more obvious.
If somebody took one meaning from a painting or a song, then they would seem silly for presuming that everyone else thought about it in the same way.
If a scientist thought that their interpretation of a study on, for example, Global Warming was the only way they study could be perceived, they would seem naive for not looking further.
Apply this question to more than a religious text and you see it is a case of being open minded and accepting of others. It can even suggest that shutting off other views or refusing to look further can be dangerous.
In my personal opinion, Christian values include an openness and understanding, and I would hope this applies to their reading of the Bible also.
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  jonnycomelatelyposted 7 years agoin reply to this
  Sensible and to the point. Thank you.
  
  And a warm welcome to HubPages, Lucy.
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  Ericdierkerposted 7 years agoin reply to this
  I like your answer. Well said
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  Norine Williamsposted 7 years agoin reply to this
  "...open minded and accepting of others?"
  Did JESUS "accept other?" IT IS WRITTEN! TRUTH!
  If It can't be verified in Scripture, Christians don't "accept others" ONLY HIS WRITTEN WORD!
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  jonnycomelatelyposted 7 years agoin reply to this
  Please, please, Norine, your personalised religious views need to take a back seat just for a moment. Let Lucy get a foot in the door at least. We know you but Lucy does't .... yet.
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  Lucifergusonposted 7 years agoin reply to this
  Thank you Alan and Erik. Not sure why I picked such a fiery topic to leave my first answer on!
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  Norine Williamsposted 7 years agoin reply to this
  Jon: It's your job not to tell TRUTH (Jn 8:44)!
  Luc: U "picked this fiery topic" because GOD wants u to know TRUTH!
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gmwilliamsposted 7 years ago

Intelligent, thinking, educated people know that their interpretation of the bible isn't the only correct one. They realize that there are many interpretations to the bible which are equally correct. They understand that each person interprets the bible based upon his/her knowledge & understanding of the bible.
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  Norine Williamsposted 7 years agoin reply to this
  Grace: When ppl use "their brain" they go against the Holy Spirit's job! That's why there r so many diff interpretations! The HS is ONE SPIRIT w/ONE MIND therefore HE doesn't tell 1 something & another something diff! Ppl think smarter than GOD
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  Edwinoel Tanglaoposted 7 years agoin reply to this
  Grace By God's grace may u see n feel d light of Christ. Many religions have opened. Anything corrupted in Mammon stays corrupted in d flesh. B d light takes u away fr deception in darkness. May d light shine upon u n free u fr darkness. Live Tr n S
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  Norine Williamsposted 7 years agoin reply to this
  "Anything corrupted in Mammon stays corrupted in d flesh." Is that why you are "corrupted" in defying Heb because of ur "Catholic Faith?" Anything that defies HIS WORD is "corrupted!" I would say mammon has a grt deal to do with Catholic belief!
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  cam8510posted 7 years agoin reply to this
  Grace, Many may interpret one verse differently, but not a free for all. Ex: S King novel. Pick 1 sentence. Ask many to interpret. Can't unless they know how it fits whole book. Bible: One general/true interpretation, many minor insights/applications
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  Norine Williamsposted 7 years agoin reply to this
  Chris: You are an "Unbeliever!" One MUST "believe" ALL of HIS WORD! If Jn 14:26 says HE will "lead & guide us into ALL truth" & HE has ONE MIND (Phil 2:5), who should we differ?
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  Kiss andTalesposted 7 years agoin reply to this
  Norine only repeats provide a book when she can not answer a direct question .that gets old and worn out.
  Like a broken record.
  Misfit has provided a good question.
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  Norine Williamsposted 7 years agoin reply to this
  U r as (appropriate name) "MISFIT"-using "brain" not BELIEVING Holy Spirit is WISER which makes BOTH "FOOLS!"
  Has anyone (including u) provided? Q FROM GOD & u "MOCK?" Woe be unto u!
  U DON'T CARE for PRIDE has u!
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whonunuwhoposted 7 years ago
Hello, Eric my friend.m The exact meaning of a normal individual is often questionable at best. The world is filled with religious beliefs that its professors would give up lives for in order to support their own chosen forms of faith. No question about it, there are many wonderful beliefs and each has a beautiful structure in its format. There are hundreds of figures from thousands of years in the past that helped construct these beliefs and their basic dogmas. As often the case interpretations of these scripture supported religions are at times interpreted in a biased way. All we may do is to say our prayers in our own way and hope the good lord forgives us of our mistakes and sinful behaviors.Thanks for the intriguing question. whonu
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  celafoeposted 7 years agoin reply to this
  hmmmm- certainly NOT scriptural advice. best idea is learn the true understanding and follow scripture not man as scripture tells us to. in the true church of Jesus Christ all are of one accord with scripture and each other
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  Ericdierkerposted 7 years agoin reply to this
  Very good to hear from you Whonu. And thank you for your answer.
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  Norine Williamsposted 7 years agoin reply to this
  Another "love nut" (lug nut) that doesn't follow Scripture! Pray your way into heaven?
  Since NO ONE wants to LISTEN, better READ & "try to figure out" what the Gospel of Christ is or "ACCURSED" (Gal 1:6-9)!
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  Edwinoel Tanglaoposted 7 years agoin reply to this
  whono Human beliefs r of d flesh. D light of Christ brings u to 'true faith' leading 2 salvation. D blood of Christ in d H Euch cleanses our souls fr sin, it leads us 2 holiness n righteousness in Christ as u humble urself 2 D Lord - conquer Darkness
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  Norine Williamsposted 7 years agoin reply to this
  When 1 goes AGAINST WORD (Heb-Holy Euch) it is "Human beliefs r of d flesh!"
  GOD SEES!
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  cam8510posted 7 years agoin reply to this
  charlie, "in the true church of Jesus Christ all are of one accord with scripture and each other." What you have described exists no place on this planet.
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  KingdomComeposted 7 years agoin reply to this
  Charlie- you are correct regardless of what Chris Mills says. Chris Mills has no idea what your talking about which is why he doesn't understand. He is carnal minded.
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  cam8510posted 7 years agoin reply to this
  Thank's KC. You are such a pleasant person to have a discussion with. I stand by my comment. There's no gathering of Christians anyplace on this planet..in my opinion and experience..where they "all are of one accord with scripture and each other."
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  Norine Williamsposted 7 years agoin reply to this
  Because they didn't "WAIT" for "THE" Holy Spirit who has ONE MIND. Ea have their own "holy spirit" & not of GOD being deceived by Satan! RD Acts 1:2! AFTER ASCENSION Holy Spirit spoke thru apostles as I've told each HS told me. I'd never "noticed
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  Ericdierkerposted 7 years agoin reply to this
  So either Paul or Peter were not filled with the Holy Spirit when there was division. Yet the Bible tells us both were filled with the Holy Spirit. And we know that they shared different viewpoints regarding Gentiles and Hebrews. Interesting.
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  KingdomComeposted 7 years agoin reply to this
  Eric- John3:11 (NKJV) Most assuredly, I say to you, We speak what We know and "TESTIFY" what We have SEEN, and you do not receive Our "WITNESS".. So Eric HERES MORE "EVIDENCE"..
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  cam8510posted 7 years agoin reply to this
  Eric, you are exactly right in your evaluation of Paul and Peter. Two men of God, filled with the Spirit yet disagreed on a vital point in Christian belief. yet they continued on as brothers and servants of God. Neither called the other Satan.
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  Norine Williamsposted 7 years agoin reply to this
  Eric, JESUS' doctrine is SAME but man (Peter) "blocks" receipt via tradition! Paul didn't walk under Law w/JESUS as Peter who still had Law instilled. HS revealed Truth in dream to Peter "Rise Peter slay & eat" (Acts 11)!
  Diff x but SAME Doctrin
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  cam8510posted 7 years agoin reply to this
  Jonah, You went far out of your way to fix that to your liking. Still, there are to Spirit filled men not in one accord. By your own words, Peter was operating in the flesh. You have called such people Satan before. Was Peter a tool of Satan?
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  Norine Williamsposted 7 years agoin reply to this
  Jonah parable: God have mercy on whom HE pleases!
  Yes, Satan entered Peter before (Matt 16:23)!
  We (as Peter) battle daily but KNOWING WORD is LIFE!
  Holy Spirit discerns the spirit of SATAN which comes into ALL! HE "reveals" ALL TRUTH!
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erinshelbyposted 7 years ago
Jesus said that He is "the way, the truth, and the life, and that no man comes to the Father but by me".

That's a statement that says: I am right, and if you disagree, you are wrong. Two options: right or wrong. Opposites. No other options. It's an offensive statement because it dares to say that not everybody can be right.

Christians who state "There's more than one path to God except Jesus"... that's not Christianity. The God of the Bible says that He is number one - He wants us to love Him with all our being and have no other gods before Him.

So yes, a person can authentically follow Jesus and believe that their doctrine/belief is the only right one. It doesn't mean that these people are necessarily approaching others in a respectful enough way, but everyone has the right to believe in their mind and heart that their belief is the right belief.

Christianity is problematic for so many people because it tells all of humanity that we have a problem. It tells EVERYONE that we are messed up, that we have issues, that we need something/someone other than ourselves to fix our issues, issues of all humanity. Christianity says all people are broken.

As far as Christians fighting with one another, saying to one another that other Christians are wrong on certain matters: I think the global Church is at a point where people are bending things to fit their itching ears. People are saying that things are ok when the Bible spells it out that it's not. Jesus loves everyone, but if the Bible says that something's wrong, it's still wrong. Scripture is getting twisted or omitted when it's spelled out right there that the behavior isn't ok. I think it's because people just don't want to hear the truth. You can just read the Bible for yourself and think on it. Be blessed and have a great day.
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  Norine Williamsposted 7 years agoin reply to this
  AGAIN JESUS SAID "WAIT" (Acts 1:4) for HELP (Jn 14:26;16:13) fm the Holy Spirit to be w/TRUTH (JESUS aka GOD) Who has 1 Mind & IS 1 SPIRIT (I Cor 12)!
  Now if we "... just read the Bible for yourself and think on it"=interpretation=diff beliefs!
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  Ericdierkerposted 7 years agoin reply to this
  Help me out here with these three on wisdom: Pro. 4:7, ECC 1:18, 1 Cor. 1:19 .
  And tell me what the Bible says is wrong. Try not to twist it. Try not to "interpret". I will listen to a fellow.
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  celafoeposted 7 years agoin reply to this
  Pro 4:7 see 1:7 ;; in fact for all 3 see prov 1:7. I believe Its about what real wisdom is, not man;s wisdom. of course more wisdom, more knowledge and you will see disturbing things you would not have recognized
  true wisdom comes fm God
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  Ericdierkerposted 7 years agoin reply to this
  Divine as opposed to organic?
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  Norine Williamsposted 7 years agoin reply to this
  E: Prov 3:5 "NOT UR OWN UNDERSTANDING" Prov 4:7 "LEARN, BUT LET "HS" REVEAL="UNDERSTANDING!" Ecc 1:18 INC "WISDOM" N WORD means "I die daily!" INC in world takes belief fm GOD! I Cor 1:19 WORD makes 1 "die daily" destroys man's wisdom! Rm Limited
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  Edwinoel Tanglaoposted 7 years agoin reply to this
  Amen erinshelby. Many people wants to hide from the truth, but truth, keeps our inner being happy, at peace with The Lord, for there is nothing so great than being with the Good Shepherd, He is complete with everything, as Divine Healer/Mercy n more.
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  Norine Williamsposted 7 years agoin reply to this
  Have you READ the Book of Hebrews yet? If not, it's true, " Many people wants to hide from the truth,"
  Why haven't you READ? Condemns too many of "Catholic Faith's" rituals, sacrifices, "dead works?"
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  Edwinoel Tanglaoposted 7 years agoin reply to this
  Eric Proverbs 4:7 tells us of 'divine wisdom' d great'r Wisdom frm d HS, where 'divine logic' emanates, 'word' of God is; ECC 1:18 n 1 Cor 1:19 tells us of human wisdom, frm ol things passing w Brain dat perish w d flesh; but w God/HS - grt'r Wisdom
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  Norine Williamsposted 7 years agoin reply to this
  Ed: You can "evade" Hebrews if you like (choice), but ONLY "shows" you are not "IN CHRIST!"
  "ALL SCRIPTURE" is inspired by GOD..." (II Tim 3:16) & to be obeyed! We can't leave Hebrews out! Right?
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  celafoeposted 7 years agoin reply to this
  norine-- 2 questions---does your husband know what you do on here? do you have his approval?
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  Norine Williamsposted 7 years agoin reply to this
  Hasn't disconnected the internet yet and he pays the bills!
  How should I take that? Woman preacher?
  If so, better READ Gal 3:28 "no male or female IN CHRIST JESUS!"
  Get that?
  You out or "in?"
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  Blessed Hillposted 7 years agoin reply to this
  Nor: If David says in the psalms "hate your enemies" but Jesus says to "love your enemies" which scripture do I obey if you say all scripture must be obeyed-psalm26:5, Matt5:43,44. Interpretation is required to understand old & new covenant
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  Norine Williamsposted 7 years agoin reply to this
  U speak as if Matthew is not under OT! Matt, Mk, Lk & John are under LAW (Gal 4:4)! When one is ANOINTED w/Holy Spirit; he loves ALL & desires NONE LOST! When an unbeliever, he HATES GOD & I "hate them" (their thinking) but "Bless them" (
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txthornposted 7 years ago
No! God made us all different with different perceptions. Man does not think as a woman or vice versa. When the Disciples were with Jesus they each had their own perception or interpretation of who He was and what he had done. Just like we are different cultures in each nation. Paul described that there were many different ministries but one and the same Spirit of God.
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  Norine Williamsposted 7 years agoin reply to this
  Why JESUS "commanded" us to "WAIT" (Acts 1:4) for HS (JESUS) to "REVEAL" TRUTH!
  Well, if "THE SAME SPIRIT" (I Cor 12), IT has different Mind (Heb 13:8)? Scripture LIES?
  "O "FOOLISH" Gal (Gal 3:1) who has bewitched u & "PERVERTED" Gospel of Chri
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  Edwinoel Tanglaoposted 7 years agoin reply to this
  Amen Wayne, d Spirit of God is in all who believes in 'true faith,' all sanctified by d blood of D Lamb. Saint Paul was talking to d Gentiles as new converts 2 Christianity. They ol where sanctified w d blood of Christ, as in Romans 6, for holiness
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  Norine Williamsposted 7 years agoin reply to this
  Ed: Stop w/FALSE DOCTRINE amening not in WORD! Diff cultures don't matter (II Kg 17:29-42)!
  Wayne: Where did "Paul described...?" Defies Gal 1:6-9 "any other gospel=ACCURSED!" Does this show "diff ministries?"
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  Edwinoel Tanglaoposted 7 years agoin reply to this
  Norine, with The Lord, we are made secure, without Him, we are made insecure. Stay in His light and remain healed, for He wants us all to live in truth, lest we get buried from darkness. Jesus judges, HS guides us 2 practice 'true faith,' n live.
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  Norine Williamsposted 7 years agoin reply to this
  No Ed! Saints "judge" each other (I Pet 4:17)! See how the "Catholic Faith" cont to deter u fm TRUTH?
  Read Hebrews & "accept" HIS WORD!
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  Edwinoel Tanglaoposted 7 years agoin reply to this
  Wayne D light of truth in Christ n d HS leads us to d Vine of 'true faith,' as d true church of Christ, doctrine blessed by Jesus in Peter n ol popes, upn d HS guid.. Cultures r human traditions b 'true faith' leads us 2 God's covenant - Lamb's Bld
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  Norine Williamsposted 7 years agoin reply to this
  "ol popes, are human traditions!" Did they not teach u to IGNORE Hebrews?
  IGNORANT! Rather please man or GOD (WORD)?
  "Choose!"
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Edge Valmondposted 7 years ago
No,there is no right or wrong interpretation of the bible. If there was then there would not be conflicts. Everyone has their own beliefs,it is how they were raised. The belief instilled over time. One side could interpret it as the bible says they should give onto death for all non believers. Another side could say to accept them and try to have them understand. I suppose you can say it's ambiguity. It can be interpreted in many different ways.
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  celafoeposted 7 years agoin reply to this
  wow- what an off the wall answer-- totally contrary to scripture. There is ONE CORRECT understanding of the scriptures and most people are too self centered to ever truly look for and find it.
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  Edwinoel Tanglaoposted 7 years agoin reply to this
  No truth may come from a prideful person, where his ego is above over the rest. But blessed is he who sees the light as he humbles himself to God, and see the truth in His light, the truth that sets anyone free from evil's bondage.
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  Norine Williamsposted 7 years agoin reply to this
  U know, people have been "taught" to "evade the Holy Spirit's" POWER (Acts 1:8)! They NOW thk just 3rd "person" in Trinity!
  
  FOOLS! Satan is laughing!
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  celafoeposted 7 years agoin reply to this
  EDW-- IF THAT WAS MEANT FOR Me you are wrong, but being a catholic
  i dont expect you to understand the real scriptures Christians are to be all of 1 accord, ot course that does not include the cults such as yours
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  Ericdierkerposted 7 years agoin reply to this
  Charlie maybe you run this too far. You and I are not in accord on somethings. Today my favorite color is purple. We both believe in Jesus. We are in accord on Jesus Christ.
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  Norine Williamsposted 7 years agoin reply to this
  Eric: How can u be "w/1 accord w/Charlie? He believes "AFTER THE CROSS" or AFTER Acts! You still stuck under the law (Matt 22:37-40)!
  Holy Spirit gives Matt 22:37-40 "automatically!"
  You MUST live AFTER ACTS or Gal 1:6-9 applies "ACCURSED!"
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  celafoeposted 7 years agoin reply to this
  eric-- what are we in 1 accord on?
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  Ericdierkerposted 7 years agoin reply to this
  That we are Christian.
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  Norine Williamsposted 7 years agoin reply to this
  Eric: "Christian" is not just a word or believing there is a GOD who "loves!" Saying you "love" GOD but not doing as commanded shows NO LOVE or Christianity! Why I keep giving WORD that we MUST live AFTER THE CROSS or AFTER DAY OF PENTECOST!
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  celafoeposted 7 years agoin reply to this
  eric- I never said that and as long as you say you do not have to back up all your beliefs with scripture in context i would be unable to. I think 2x I have said you got 1 right but it takes more than that. it take correct understanding of the NT
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  Ericdierkerposted 7 years agoin reply to this
  Matt 7: 1-5
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  celafoeposted 7 years agoin reply to this
  eerc-- I am always ready to be judged as I judge as it is a cornerstone principle of Christianity.
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  Ericdierkerposted 7 years agoin reply to this
  John 3:16
  No other conditions made by man.
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  celafoeposted 7 years agoin reply to this
  eric- what that really means NT:4100 pisteuo (pist-yoo'-o); from NT:4102; to have faith (in, upon, or with respect to, a person or thing), i.e. credit; by implication, to entrust (especially one's spiritual well-being to Christ): KJV - believe (-r)
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  Ericdierkerposted 7 years agoin reply to this
  No Charlie that is not the HS reading. It is about casting the first stone. Are you positive my reading is incorrect and yours is without a plank in your eye? Be sure you follow the two greatest commandments first before judging. Matt. 22:36-40
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  celafoeposted 7 years agoin reply to this
  erc your distorted view of love destorts everything you read, say and do. you have to get past your false beliefs of what love is. it takes a greater love to correct than to just agree with false beliefs
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  Ericdierkerposted 7 years agoin reply to this
  As though Pro. 13:24 applies to each other. But I am sorry 1 Cor. 13:4-8 convinces and is more consistent than your 20 kinds of Greek love.Paul cuts through interpretation and delivers solid truth. Rom. 8:28
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  Edwinoel Tanglaoposted 7 years agoin reply to this
  Charlie Cults are for believers of Darkeness, Catholics believe in d light of truth in Christ, His precious blood makes us ONE with Him, in body and Spirit, as we remain in Him through His words 2 defit darknss n conquer d world. Hope is light n bld
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  KingdomComeposted 7 years agoin reply to this
  Edwinoel- the chatholic church is part of the kingdom of darkness. They worship Mary and dead "Sainst". And pray to them. How evil can you get. Praying to Mary IS FALSE DOCTRINE. Which is just one of the many false doctrines. celafore IS CORRECT.
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  Edwinoel Tanglaoposted 7 years agoin reply to this
  Protestants may find it hard to understand, less they be humbled n may see d light of truth, many may blaspheme d HS - hope comes fr truth in the 'word' revealed by true faith - Spirit of God, water n blood, all in agreement w 1 another. Blessings
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  Ericdierkerposted 7 years agoin reply to this
  KingdomCome this is a problem. You point out all the error. Perhaps a calling. Chastise, rebuke and debase. Yet within that calling is a doctrine all it's own. One doctrine for another? You are adamant and forceful and insistent.
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  KingdomComeposted 7 years agoin reply to this
  Eric- God has provided doctrine. We don't get to make our own and we shouldn't.
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  Norine Williamsposted 7 years agoin reply to this
  Ed: Pls provide Scripture that we are to "worship Mary" or it's a man-made FALSE DOCTRINE!
  Eric: U continue not to care what's IS WRITTEN! I Pet 4:17 "For THE TIME IS COME that JUDGMENT "MUST" begin at the house of GOD..." How can u deny GOD'S WORD?
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  Edwinoel Tanglaoposted 7 years agoin reply to this
  Edge that's why Jesus said "spread the gospel," "remain in me," "remain in my words,"eat of my flesh and drink of my blood..have eternal life," "whoever believes in me even though he dies, he lives," "love one another as I hav loved you," > holin
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  Norine Williamsposted 7 years agoin reply to this
  Ed: Didn't say "spread TWISTED "false doctrine!"
  Book of Hebrews says NO MORE "rituals/sacrifices" which are "dead works!" Deny IT & u DENY GOD!
  Explain I Cor 11:17-22!
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  Edwinoel Tanglaoposted 7 years agoin reply to this
  1825 Protestant bible came out, almost 1800 years AD, more Prot bible versions came, why, ask the scribes n the pastors who rules their minds. If Saint Paul in Timothy tells us 'money s d root of all evil,' where d u stand, t be pastors of darkness??
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  Norine Williamsposted 7 years agoin reply to this
  Ed: WHO CARES what's been "added or deleted?" Don't u know the POWER of the HOLY SPIRIT who "tells us "ALL" things" even "FALSE PROPHETS" which "Catholicism" is!
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roselinsojanposted 7 years ago
Every things are correct.we all must have a good mind to hear, and think according to our own interpretation and take it as in our life.
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  Norine Williamsposted 7 years agoin reply to this
  GOD is a "jealous GOD" (Exd 34:14) & NOTHING "correct" BUT HIM!
  HOLY SPIRIT asked us to "LEAN NOT TO "YOUR OWN" UNDERSTANDING" (Prov 3:5)! When "WE" do, against GOD (aka Holy Spirit)!
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  Edwinoel Tanglaoposted 7 years agoin reply to this
  If Jesus is 'd way, d truth n d life,' how can every thing b correct rose? Jesus is r light, r hope, r Div Healr, Div Prov, Div Mercy, master of life, love n truth, and anyone who believes in Him and His words, he remains in Him, otherwise, corrupted
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  Norine Williamsposted 7 years agoin reply to this
  Ed: Then corrupted if you deny the Book of Hebrews & continue in your belief instilled in you by the "Catholic Faith!"
  Who would you "rather please, man or GOD" (Gal 1:10)?
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  Edwinoel Tanglaoposted 7 years agoin reply to this
  Rose n Norine rise up in 'true faith' n be freed fr all demons that rule ur mind, 4 Christ is the 'fullness of the Deity in bodily form,' ur remain ruled b the 'law' under d flesh. Rather, b ruled by d Spirit of truth, d HS, to 'true faith' w Christ.
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  Norine Williamsposted 7 years agoin reply to this
  Eric why do you keep "deleting?" You "cause your brother to stumble" which defies WORD! Who do u work for (I Cor 10:21)?
  Hearing/Receiving, Loving/Obeying THE WORD OF GOD is how you should RECEIVE, not "deleting!"
  Catholic Faith is FALSE DOCTRINE!
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  Edwinoel Tanglaoposted 7 years agoin reply to this
  rose Christ is d truth in this life. Every time He tests r faith. True faith is in the true VINE of faith. No religion may save u, but FAITH in Christ will, where His precious blood shed for us on d cross saves n cleanses man fr sin n darkness. Live
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  Norine Williamsposted 7 years agoin reply to this
  "His precious blood shed for us" & you repay HIM by DISREGARDING Hebrews?
  Yes, HE'S "testing your faith," to see if you will continue DISREGARDING!
  Hebrews say "CHRIST HAS DONE IT ALL!"
  "No more rituals & sacrifices" (Holy Eucharist)!
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viewfindersposted 7 years ago
The best interpretation of bible was done by chattambi swamikal .
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  Norine Williamsposted 7 years agoin reply to this
  Shut Up "FOOL!" (Doesn't mean not voice "opinion!")
  IF you "lean toward man rather than GOD" (Gal 1:10), you are not a servant of GOD!
  "O "FOOLISH" Galatians who has "BEWITCHED" you..." (Gal 3:1)?
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  jonnycomelatelyposted 7 years agoin reply to this
  What a guttural, ignorant, self-important judgment, Lois. You call yourself a disciple of Jesus? You are nothing of the sort. You call a person a Fool! And to shut up?! Go look in a mirror.
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  Edwinoel Tanglaoposted 7 years agoin reply to this
  Many people think they r gods, but there is only 1 God, n He loves us all. He wants us 2 unite by loving 1 another, how? Release our pride for we can't obtain anything when we die. Everything in this life are gifts from Him, He's testing us 2 b worhy
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  Ericdierkerposted 7 years agoin reply to this
  Ed I think I get your point. But I have this notion of Grace being there regardless of whether we are worthy. We do not earn it, it is freely given.
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  Norine Williamsposted 7 years agoin reply to this
  "Release "your" PRIDE" and READ the Book of Hebrew to "see" the "Catholic Faith" has deceived you!
  If the Holy Spirit is in you, you will "SEE" (I Cor 11:17-22)! Explain this Scripture!
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  Ericdierkerposted 7 years agoin reply to this
  Just a question for those following. Should I delete Norine's Calling people names posts? Should I just delete her comments completely? Or should I just ignore them?
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  Norine Williamsposted 7 years agoin reply to this
  Eric: Do u need man's approval? WWJD? See what can of man u r? Seeking man's approval?
  "A man w/o courage & conviction is a man w/o NOTHING!"
  Do as YOU please! GOD SEES!
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  Ericdierkerposted 7 years agoin reply to this
  Can vitriolic and mean behavior toward your fellow man really emanate from the Holy Spirit? I do not believe it can so I cannot believe that you are lead by the Holy Spirit. Your words of praise contradict your stone heart.
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  Norine Williamsposted 7 years agoin reply to this
  It "seems?"
  EVERYTHING I do or say can be backed up w/WORD!
  I Thess 4:13 "But I would not have u IGNORANT..." ERIC why don't u "READ" then u would KNOW I'm not talking but GOD!
  HE'S "vitriolic & mean" w/"stone heart?"
  Did u READ re: "Judgment
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  Ericdierkerposted 7 years agoin reply to this
  Is it possible that you have no compassion, love or empathy at all unless we are to consider your meanness as those attributes? Could you be diagnosed based on your comments here?
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  Oztinatoposted 7 years agoin reply to this
  Norine
  There's something wrong in your "state of Denmark". Mean spirited nasty obsessive behaviour is definitely NOT Christian and doesn't belong to any spiritual impulse. Stop it before you go blind...too late!
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  Norine Williamsposted 7 years agoin reply to this
  Oz: Tell GOD HIS WORD is "state of Denmark!" FOOL! You blaspheme! Bcuz you've not been "taught" RIGHT WORD, u see as "blindness!"
  YOU ARE BLIND (II Cor 4:4)!
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  Blessed Hillposted 7 years agoin reply to this
  But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness, self-control. Against such there is no law.
  Galatians 5:22‭-‬23
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  Norine Williamsposted 7 years agoin reply to this
  Hill: Do u know those "fruit" are automatic IN CHRIST w/those who "believe?" Not w/unbelievers! Look @ JESUS when HE tore up Temple! Did u see those "fruit?" Don't just "cherry pick!" Study ALL Scripture!
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  Blessed Hillposted 7 years agoin reply to this
  Norine: I do know scripture. Fruit is meant to be seen and enjoyed. If the fruit is automatic for believer's why is the LACK of fruit evident in how you talk to people on hubpages. They should be evident all the time.
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  Edwinoel Tanglaoposted 7 years agoin reply to this
  ViewF ur views come from ur human mind, it dies w d flesh. It becomes meaningless over time as we r called by r Creator. 'Divine logic' brings u d light of ttuth, leading u d way to Christ, 2 'true faith' in d 'universal church' comes d way 2 freedom
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  Norine Williamsposted 7 years agoin reply to this
  Bless: I have a WONDERFUL relationship w/BELIEVERS & fruit is shown but not w/UNBELIEVERS! Did JESUS?
  Ed: What "universal church?" Men of "tradition?" Heb 7,8,9 says u "no longer bring offerings & sacrifices!" Your Catholic faith LIES!
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  Edwinoel Tanglaoposted 7 years agoin reply to this
  Norine Chruch traditions are beyond human traditions. They leadus to love of God and love of r neighbors. They bring us closer to God. By faith comes grace from God. RCC is above s law. No curses shall fall upon d faithful. True faith leads 2 light.
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  Norine Williamsposted 7 years agoin reply to this
  Ed: Catholic "church" traditions ARE "human traditions!" ONLY those "IN CHRIST" (AFTER THE CROSS) are free fm "curse!" If u don't blv Hebrews, you're out!
  We live under New Covenant (AFTER THE CROSS) & JESUS SAID (thru Paul) Gal 1:6-9 "ACCURSED
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Alphadogg16posted 7 years ago
In my opinion, Being that no one living was alive when these Bible events occurred, and the Bible has been rewritten/new testaments/different versions/changed on hundred of occasions, no one can proclaim that their version/belief/interpretation is true and correct.
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  Ericdierkerposted 7 years agoin reply to this
  Pretty straightforward. I wonder what it feels like to "believe" in yourself enough to think you are right as opposed to God.
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  Edwinoel Tanglaoposted 7 years agoin reply to this
  Kevin you may not believe this, I thought I may die young but Jesus kept me alive, the power of d Holy Eucharist kept me ever healthy and alive for His words I spread in truth. Jesus made me understand how beautiful it feels when you spread His words
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  Norine Williamsposted 7 years agoin reply to this
  Eric: WORD (which I give/PROOF) is GOD (Jn 1:1), "NOT "me" so why do u blv "my belief" & not GOD?
  Ed: What "Holy Eucharist" (not in Bible)? You spread ("not in Bible") FALSE DOCTRINE as "Trinity" & "Hailing Mary" (Exd 20:3)!
  "Spreading" LIES!
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  Ericdierkerposted 7 years agoin reply to this
  Norine that is interesting. Are you saying that you have no belief. That we are not to believe? "My belief" is what I believe - are you saying it is wrong to have a belief?
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  Norine Williamsposted 7 years agoin reply to this
  Eric: I have given GALATIANS 1:6-9="ACCURSED" MANY X'S yet u won't READ! Not "my belief," but what GOD SAID & there's NOTHING ELSE to believe IF a CHRISTIAN! I didn't write IT! I BELIEVE IT! Just letting ALL "know" It's there! ANYTHING ELSE=DEATH
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  Edwinoel Tanglaoposted 7 years agoin reply to this
  Norine May d HS guide u to His ways, d Eucharist is d body n blood of Christ, it is holy because it is the sacred covenant of God to us. Humility 2 God is easy 2 do by surrendering 'pride,' 'self,' let 'agape' love rule us heart not 'eros' n b saved
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  Norine Williamsposted 7 years agoin reply to this
  The Eucharist is man made for the Body of Christ is "ALL Spiritual;" & when we "commune" with HIM it's in "Spirit & in Truth" (Jn 4:23-24) NOT "literally" drinking wine & eating bread. Man did this losing souls per Hebrews!
  "I HATE ALL R
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  Edwinoel Tanglaoposted 7 years agoin reply to this
  Anything rewritten is therefore, subject to corruption? The original and authentic Scriptires are on NAB (New American Bible) of the RCC. Others have been a replica but in truth, revised to suit what human needs may see in Mammon, for self interest.
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  Ericdierkerposted 7 years agoin reply to this
  Differing versions, including the addition or subtraction of whole books of the Bible sure make it hard to believe that one version is right against another. Kind of makes one thing that the general gist of the Bible is what is important.
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  Edwinoel Tanglaoposted 7 years agoin reply to this
  Eric am here to enlighten, fr my mouth comes d HS guidn me, here 2 boast of D Lord. "True faith" n love of God's commandments bring us 2 etnl lyf. Denying Jesus' words 2 eat of His flesh n drink of His bld blinds Prot. fr TFaith, Let go pride /Mammon
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  Flower2spainposted 7 years agoin reply to this
  Make the day of your loved ones feel very special and loving on any special day with various kinds of Gifts. Se
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  Norine Williamsposted 7 years agoin reply to this
  Ed: The Holy Spirit "guided" you here to hear TRUTH! He's telling me to tell you to READ THE BOOK OF HEBREWS and "accept" HIS WORD!
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  Ericdierkerposted 7 years agoin reply to this
  Strange the Holy Spirit is telling me that judging another's understanding is sinful.
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  Norine Williamsposted 7 years agoin reply to this
  Holy Spirit doesn't go against WORD (SELF)! STOP THROWING SCRIPTURES IN TRASH & "READ!" Ps 37:30;Amos5:14-15;ICor1:10;Rev2:2; Mal 3:8;Is8:20;Jn7:24;Prov24:23; Is59:8!
  GOD Eric - PLEASE "READ!" How did u get Dr? U have less love for GOD?
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  Edwinoel Tanglaoposted 7 years agoin reply to this
  NAB is d authentic bible recognized by d popes n d 'universal church.' As promised to Peter leading d apostles n the lambs n sheep, to feed n tend d church of God in Christ, as in John 21:15-19. "Stay in d VINE or be lost from sin n corruption."ROM 6
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  Ericdierkerposted 7 years agoin reply to this
  Sorry Norine I had to delete your comment. Using hell as a cuss word and calling another a fool is inappropriate. Not to mention it's only result is to drive people away from faith.
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  Ericdierkerposted 7 years agoin reply to this
  Sorry Norine, calling people names is just unacceptable behavior. If your Holy Spirit tells you to do so -- perhaps you should get a new one.
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  Norine Williamsposted 7 years agoin reply to this
  Eric, U r IGNORANT of HIS WORD! U & your "politically correct" religion which "tickles ears" will lead people to HELL! U need to tell TRUTH! Death is inevitable, then what leg will they have to stand on "love" by "man's" definition? HS tells TRU
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  Edwinoel Tanglaoposted 7 years agoin reply to this
  The HS in you can always proclaim what is true. If you don't feel God's embrace, there is hatred n arrogance, if it does not attune 'completely' to d 'word' of God, u see darkness in ur souls, not the light of truth in d HS that heals. Blessings.
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  Norine Williamsposted 7 years agoin reply to this
  "Arrogance & Hate" is NOT accepting HIS WORD! I give WORD & BELIEVE ALL!
  "attune 'completely' to d 'word' of God?" Why don't you accept the Book of Hebrews then?
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Matthew Woolseyposted 7 years ago
Religion has killed more people than any wars ever fought. Any way I don't have a exact date for you but centuries ago the catholic dioceses tore apart he bible book by book. They then discussed what books to put back in. So the fact is the bible we read today isn't even the original bible.
I don't know when or why they did this but I watched a documentary about it. About your question there is not right or wrong. True Christians are suppose to love one another no matter what their sins were. This is a lesson I have to remind my mother frequently. My sister is gay and mom thinks its a biblical sin. So I have to tell her when she get upset the our job is not to judge one another but to do as Jesus preached to love one another no matter the sin. Judgement will come for all of us. It's our place to love. Let me know if this was a good answer for you.
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  Norine Williamsposted 7 years agoin reply to this
  I agree w/1st para & disagree w/other! Your mom is biblically right!
  There is "rt way & wrong way" or no heaven & hell!
  "True Christians" were told to "REBUKE" (Lev 19:17) & Judge (I Pet 4:17+MORE)!
  Sister errs (Rm 1:21-32)!
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  Edwinoel Tanglaoposted 7 years agoin reply to this
  Matthew, rather, evil n darkness has caused man to sin, because of pride, many think they are gods just as Adam n Eve thought dey can be gods. How can we outsmart Satan? By remaining in Him, remaining in His light, love n forgiveness w bdy/blood Euch
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  jonnycomelatelyposted 7 years agoin reply to this
  And I say stop calling the love of one person for another a "Sin." You are all obsessed with that notion of evil and the ideas of "original sin." That is utter, utter rubbish. You are all self-deceiving. Your god is in your mind. A sick mind.
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  Norine Williamsposted 7 years agoin reply to this
  Ed: Only person displaying "pride" here is you by not READING Book of Hebrews! Afraid?
  Jon: And I guess you have the ONLY "well mind?" I'm OK, but..?
  
  GOD'S WORD is the ONLY Word RIGHT on HP, not mine, yours or others, BUT GOD!
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  Edwinoel Tanglaoposted 7 years agoin reply to this
  Norine Hebrews book tells us of d 'word' of God. "Heaven n earth will pass away but my words will never pass away," - Jesus. If u believe that Jesus' Spirit is in you, the light (HS) will guide u to what is true, the 'word' is always true- true faith
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  Ericdierkerposted 7 years agoin reply to this
  An interesting exchange of "my way is the only right way". Seems like both of you are causing a division.
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  Norine Williamsposted 7 years agoin reply to this
  Eric: GOD'S WAY (WORD)! Remember that (Matt 10:34)!
  Ed: Can't u read? Why Deny the WORD OF GOD? "Catholic Faith" more important than "WORD?"
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  Ericdierkerposted 7 years agoin reply to this
  Attacking someone for their way of worshiping just seems so opposed to living Christ like. How come in revelation there are seven churches. Why does Paul write to each church differently.
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  Norine Williamsposted 7 years agoin reply to this
  That's what u've been "taught" but WORD diff! Lev 19:17! Seven Churches in Rev "diff locations" but ONE CHURCH w/SAME MIND although sinning w/in most!
  Not Paul speaking in Revelation, but JESUS through JOHN!
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RachaelLeflerposted 7 years ago
Well, I think faith means trusting, which means you should read the Bible and pray and trust God to give you the right answer.

" It is becoming a little obvious that those who proclaim their truth to be true for all others are just a little unbalanced."

Well, yeah, I think that people tend to do that whenever they're concerned about their church's monopoly on the truth. It's more of a churches-as-political bodies thing, it's hard to have an organization or a community where you don't all share certain core beliefs, this is true in business, colleges, non-profits, and activist groups, not just religions. Solidarity and unity are required and they require the group to hold at least many of the same beliefs, even if they might be allowed to differ on some.

Maybe there is no one correct way to be a Christian, but I would say all of them probably should believe:
1) There is one God, the Father, as taught by Judaism before Jesus.
2) Jesus is God's Son, and also God himself. (And some denominations have different beliefs about how and why this is, but they all affirm it, usually with the Trinity of Father, Son, and Holy Spirit.)
3) Jesus came to Earth to redeem humanity and to teach us the right way to love God and love one another.
4) The spirit of the Law of the Torah is more important than the letter, because Jesus said the greatest commandments were to love God and to love each other. Ergo, Christians, unlike Jews, feel free to reject some or all of the Torah's commandments, but they're interested in keeping the spirit of them. (Although some sects believe in keeping some of the "old" laws, they do not believe in the Jewish concept of 616 that must all be obeyed, because the early fathers of the Christian faith wanted their religion to be equally accessible to Jews and gentiles, and this is made clear in the epistles.)
5) Jesus rose again on the third day after he was crucified, symbolizing that everyone who believes in him would also conquer death.

I think that, while Christians vary about many things, like predestination or baptism, they're not likely to differ on those basic ideas, and people who differ much are best called something other than Christian.
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  Ericdierkerposted 7 years agoin reply to this
  Well said
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  Norine Williamsposted 7 years agoin reply to this
  You'd (since Holy Spirit is the ONLY HELP we have & u didn't mention HIS HELP) better try & figure out what Galatians 1:6-9 means (which I've been trying to tell ALL because Scripture doesn't LIE) or you will be an "ACCURSED" (what?) "Christi
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  Edwinoel Tanglaoposted 7 years agoin reply to this
  Amen, Rachael, we can never be perfect in the flesh, but in spirit we strive to see perfection in Christ's righteousness. His blood shed for us comes God's covenant with us, His body and blood needs to cleanse our hearts and souls to feel His Spirit
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  Norine Williamsposted 7 years agoin reply to this
  Ed: Yes, "flesh" (Rm 8:8) strives but Spirit (Rm 3:22; 5:1-11) already "perfect" (Matt 5:48) IF "in Christ" (Rm 8:1;I Cor 6:17)!
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  Edwinoel Tanglaoposted 7 years agoin reply to this
  Racheal, Eric n Norine, Protestantism is rebelling from 'true faith,' see corruption fr 1 John 5:8. Living in 'true faith' means staying in d true vine of faith. RCC leads all believes to d blood of Christ, it cleanses as we repent - pride is evil
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  KingdomComeposted 7 years agoin reply to this
  The Romen Chatholic Church is pure garbage and evil. False doctrine through and throuugh.
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  Ericdierkerposted 7 years agoin reply to this
  ET I think you are a good spokesman for the Catholic faith. You are not an apologist. Do you believe that Satan created Protestantism?
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  Norine Williamsposted 7 years agoin reply to this
  kc: "There is a way that SEEMETH RIGHT unto man BUT the end thereof are THE WAYS OF DEATH!"
  Ed: I pray you don't IGNORE HEBREWS for Satan II Cor 4:4 has "blinded you!"
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  Ericdierkerposted 7 years agoin reply to this
  KC it is not me.
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  Norine Williamsposted 7 years agoin reply to this
  "I do sometimes attend a Catholic service" YOU SAID THIS!
  II Cor 6:17 "Come out from among them..." I tell you what's in WORD that you never take time to READ! Did u know It was there? You can't pls man - ONLY GOD but how when u don't READ?
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Evaneposted 7 years ago
Only the Holy Spirit can tell you that or can reveal to you the answer.
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  Norine Williamsposted 7 years agoin reply to this
  FIRST one MUST "READ" ("STUDY" II Tim 2:15) in "chronological order" (Is 28:10) doing II Chrn 7:14 "THEN they "will hear fm heaven" ("revelation")!
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  Edwinoel Tanglaoposted 7 years agoin reply to this
  Amen. Trust in d HS, avoid worrying or any stress, it may keep you unhealthy. Rebuke evil, Strive to be holy and remain happy, at peace with everyone, spread God's love. And KJOH (Keep Jesus in your hearts) forever.
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  Norine Williamsposted 7 years agoin reply to this
  Ed: Why do u keep "avoiding" TRUTH?
  Have you READ Hebrews yet? If so, why do you think "I got this" like those in Matt 7:22?
  Don't be "deceived" by "traditions & teachings!" Is the lost of your soul worth it?
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  Edwinoel Tanglaoposted 7 years agoin reply to this
  Norine you have to humble yourself to what the 'word' says, Jesus has givens us the Holy Spirit, He is the truth in us as revealed to us by our spirit that connects to God. D more u question Him, d more u blaspheme d HS, an sin dt is not pardonable.
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  Norine Williamsposted 7 years agoin reply to this
  If u KNOW that why do u DENY HIS WORD by defying Hebrews w/eucharist? Where is this & trinity in Scripture?
  U DON'T CARE what GOD SAYS?
  If NOT = "LOST!"
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ashraf psyposted 7 years ago
NORMAL HUMAN BEING:

Quote from Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia-

Normality (also known as normalcy) is the state of being "normal", as opposed to being deviant, eccentric or unusual. Behavior can be normal for an individual (intrapersonal normality) when it is consistent with the most common behaviour for that person. Normal is also used to describe individual behaviour that conforms to the most common behaviour in society (known as conformity). Definitions of normality vary by person, time, place, and situation – it changes along with changing societal standards and norms. Normal behavior is often only recognized in contrast to abnormality. In its simplest form, normality is seen as good while abnormality is seen as bad.[1] Someone being seen as "normal" or "not normal" can have social ramifications, such as being included, excluded or stigmatized by larger society.

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Therefore, in my opinion, “interpretation” is based on norms and protocols that are generally accepted; otherwise the said “interpretation” would simply be labeled as “abnormal” because it is not accepted at large.

So, it would be quite rightful to say that a ‘normal human’ can rightfully claim that their interpretation of the Bible is the only correct one.

Likewise, it would be normal to say that the sky is blue. But if I claim that the sky is not blue then I may face exclusion, isn’t it? Therefore, am I not forced to accept the ‘norms’? But to me, the sky would remain not to be blue!

Regarding the Bible [and any other religious sacred texts], interpretation is very much sensitive as we should rather try to understand the ORIGINAL MINDSET and PHILOSOPHY of the writer. The ‘Gospels’, for example, were interpreted by four different persons [Matthew, Mark, Luke and John] in four different manners.

So who is more rightful? Of course, we accept the Bible to be the words of God and therefore the Gospels as explained [or rather interpreted] by the Four is the Bible.
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  Edwinoel Tanglaoposted 7 years agoin reply to this
  The mind of the Spirit is "truth" of the divine, onto holiness in Christ Jesus, the truth in this life. The mind or soul of the flesh leads to "darkness n evil, where pride is,where d deadly sin emanates, "idolatry," the rule of Mammon, d false god
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  Norine Williamsposted 7 years agoin reply to this
  Ash: You're RIGHT! "Normality" is in the eye of the majority! GOD (aka Holy Spirit) being SPIRIT is "abnormal" to majority who operates in the "flesh!"
  The Gospels gave SAME STORY & DID NOT CHG "orig mindset!"
  Holy Spirit has "1"MIND(ICor12)
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  Ericdierkerposted 7 years agoin reply to this
  Interesting comment. But I think the term here is clearly meant to describe someone who is mentally healthy.
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  Norine Williamsposted 7 years agoin reply to this
  I Cor 2:14 "But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of GOD: for they are "FOOLISHNESS" unto him..." Where does that leave u Eric, WITHOUT GOD! I told u & u keep proving it & by NOT READING u don't want to chg just please
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  Ericdierkerposted 7 years agoin reply to this
  Norine I know it puffs you up to hear that you are abnormal and dead wrong. But I suggest it anyway.
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  Norine Williamsposted 7 years agoin reply to this
  What did they call JESUS Eric? Who am I? I'm trying to tell TRUTH but you're so "puffed up" you won't STUDY! Devil wants to keep u as is - LOST - pleasing men (Temp)! Forget pleasing men - SAVE yourself (Phil 2:12)!
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  Edwinoel Tanglaoposted 7 years agoin reply to this
  Asraf See d light of truth in 'true faith' n see how u may escape darkness fr d bondage of sin. See why 'wages of sin is death,' San malice n pride.' Let d light of Christ consume ur heart of true love, n be freed by d HS n holy ones- path 2 holiness
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  Ericdierkerposted 7 years agoin reply to this
  Hey ET, do you believe in the extraordinary saving of souls?
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  Norine Williamsposted 7 years agoin reply to this
  Ed: U (Catholic) defy Scripture & until u obey Heb 7,8,9, u r an "unbeliever" of HIS WORD! How can u tell anyone anything?
  Eric: Why ask an "unbeliever" anything concerning the Holy Spirit? FALSE DOCTRINE has lead him into serving "his" god!
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  Edwinoel Tanglaoposted 7 years agoin reply to this
  Norine Eric Ashraf God is judge of all, through Jesus r Lord n Messiah. Jesus was abnormal to d Jews n Gentiles. Spirit of God was with him. He was as perfect as God can be, his words were spiritual and true, yet rejected by many. Now, truth shines.
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  Norine Williamsposted 7 years agoin reply to this
  Yes U "reject" Heb! We Judge w/WORD: Is 8:20; I Pet4:17;Amos5:14-15; Is59:8;ICor;Prov24:23;IKg3:19;Rm16:17-18;2Cor6:17; 2Tim3:5-6; I Jn4:1; Mal3:18;Rev2:2; + MORE! READ! Why is there a Book of Judges?
  Stop BELIEVING "man!"
  "STUDY!"ICor11:30-31
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word55posted 7 years ago
Interpretation of the Bible is one thing. Being obedient to God's Word is the higher thing. However, If one wants to interpret the Bible then adhere to the scripture below.

2 Timothy 2:15
Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.
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  Norine Williamsposted 7 years agoin reply to this
  "Interpretation" is from "man's understanding" vs "revelation" from GOD (aka Holy Spirit)!
  I Cor 2:10 "But GOD has REVEALED them unto us by HIS SPIRIT: for the SPIRIT searchest ALL things, YEA, the "DEEP THINGS" OF GOD!"
  Hallelujah!
  ONE MIND!
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  Edwinoel Tanglaoposted 7 years agoin reply to this
  Amen. The 'word' of God us to unite us in 'true faith,' never to divide us, for evil and darkness may try to divide true believers, but those consecrated in truth remains with Christ and I Christ forever, for they remain in Him, in His words n light
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  Norine Williamsposted 7 years agoin reply to this
  Ed: Peter & Paul had division over circumcision so don't say "new revelation" doesn't DIVIDE? GOD grows ppl into HIS likeness; not complacent! U sound like those "love" fanatics who call themselves "Christians!"
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  Edwinoel Tanglaoposted 7 years agoin reply to this
  Amen. Stay in the light as you spread the words of truth. Remain in Christ in 'true faith' abiding with His words and commands, and partake of d Holy Eucharist to feel His presence in you, in body and Spirit, you be one with the Holy Spirit and live.
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  Norine Williamsposted 7 years agoin reply to this
  " Holy Eucharist?" Where is that in Bible as your "Trinity" is not!
  READ Hebrews & BELIEVE the WORD of GOD, or you are as those in Matt 7:22!
  Is lost of your soul worth "teachings" and "traditions" (FALSE DOCTRINE)?
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  Kiss andTalesposted 7 years agoin reply to this
  Also as carriers do people argue with the mail carrier about the contents of a letter ? How can they .its not their message. How does that look arguing with your carrier about a message sent to you is the same message the carrier himself had to read
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  Norine Williamsposted 7 years agoin reply to this
  Listen girl, WORD is OPEN for ALL! Do as IT says! Stop "trying" to associate "carnal" things with "SPIRITUAL!"
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True Truthseekerposted 7 years ago
Many Bible texts have been misinterpreted by many. For instance it has been shown repeatedly that much of what Jesus said was not understood by many, and many have misinterpreted His statements as recorded in the bible.
Even the disciples have at times not fully understood some things that the Lord , Jesus Christ, has said.
John 21 (King James Version)
John 21
23Then went this saying abroad among the brethren, that that disciple should not die: yet Jesus said not unto him, He shall not die; but, If I will that he tarry till I come, what is that to thee?
You are encouraged to read the entire account to get a better understanding of what transpired.
Now there has been an ongoing debate as to how John 1:1 is to be interpreted. Many have died gruesome deaths or lost their freedom sanctioned by the church, because they SEEK TRUTH as regards the TRUE identity of Jesus the Christ.
Since we are not eyewitnesses of events as they occurred nearly two thousand years ago [when the “New Testament” was recorded] , then we need to utilize ALL information at our disposal.
The very person who was inspired to write the Epistle that bears his name, John, says at John 20:31 according to the KJV.
John 20:31 (King James Version)
31But these are written, that ye might believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God; and that believing ye might have life through his name.

The same John who penned the Epistle called John, also penned the book of Revelation.
Revelation 1:6 (King James Version)
6And hath made us kings and priests unto God and his Father; to him be glory and dominion for ever and ever. Amen.
And again:

Revelation 3:1 (King James Version)
Revelation 3
1And unto the angel of the church in Sardis write; These things saith he that hath the seven Spirits of God, and the seven stars; I know thy works, that thou hast a name that thou livest, and art dead.
9Behold, I will make them of the synagogue of Satan, which say they are Jews, and are not, but do lie; behold, I will make them to come and worship before thy feet, and to know that I have loved thee.
Please NOTE, that worship as used here MUST be an incorrect rendering.
Revelation 3:9 (Young's Literal Translation)
9lo, I make of the synagogue of the Adversary those saying themselves to be Jews, and are not, but do lie; lo, I will make them that they may come and bow before thy feet, and may know that I loved thee.
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  Norine Williamsposted 7 years agoin reply to this
  "O ye of "little faith..." Did the Holy Spirit not SAY HE (aka JESUS) would "lead and guide us into ALL truth" (Jn 14:26; 16:13)?
  Why don't you "BELIEVE" if TRULY a "Christian?"
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  Edwinoel Tanglaoposted 7 years agoin reply to this
  TrueTS missing out 1 John 5:8 on 3 elements of 'true faith,' all agree w 1 another as 'one accord' you've missed what d Covenant of God is in d blood of Christ, one w water n Spirit of God - completes r faith n belief in Christ - above d law/freedom
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  Norine Williamsposted 7 years agoin reply to this
  Ed: Did you recognize "the freedom" Christ gave us in the Book of Hebrews?
  CHRIST HAS DONE IT ALL! NO MORE RITUALS or SACRIFICES! NO MORE "DEAD WORKS!"
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  Edwinoel Tanglaoposted 7 years agoin reply to this
  Unless u read d original bible fr RCC, U stand 'outsmarted by Satan,' my brother. 1825 AD first Prot bible version started 2 flourish, why? 2 keep many away fr 'true faith' - faith delivering us away fr darkness n sin, to holiness n righteous. In Chr
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  Norine Williamsposted 7 years agoin reply to this
  READ HEBREWS 7, 8, 9 & "BELIEVE!" "Catholic Faith" ERRORS!
  Gal 2:21 "I do not frustrate the "GRACE" of GOD: for if righteousness came by the law, then CHRIST IS DEAD IN VAIN!"
  CHRIST HAS DONE IT ALL!!!
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Luther Seedposted 7 years ago
Unbalanced is a good way to put it. I wonder if its even possible to be able to interpret the Bible to 100% of its true meaning? It has been edited so many times and taught and theorized from so many different point of views. It is insane. Still a great book but should not be interpreted literally, in my opinion.
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  Norine Williamsposted 7 years agoin reply to this
  Right not "literally!"
  Why JESUS said "THEY THAT "WORSHIP" M-U-S-T WORSHIP IN "SPIRIT" & IN "TRUTH" (Jn 4:23-24)!
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  Edwinoel Tanglaoposted 7 years agoin reply to this
  Luther editing the truth comes lies of d flesh to conform w self interest that adores Mammon more than d light of truth in Christ. Feel d light, see darkness in d flesh when Christ's light shines in you. The 'word' will consume u to God's truth. Live
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  Norine Williamsposted 7 years agoin reply to this
  "editing the truth comes lies of d flesh to conform w self interest that adores Mammon more than d light of truth in Christ" Who has done this more than the "Catholic Faith?" Have 1 blv Holy Euc saves & Christ blood when only "ritual" defying He
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Ericajeanposted 7 years ago
I try not to get into discussions like this but because I claim to be in the Faith and read the bible, I suppose I can lend my two cents...

My thing is, I was not born thousands of years ago, so no matter how much I research I could still be wrong. Best to rely on God then.

However, I understand why people could feel they are right. If they have the certifications and are well read in history and languages they tend to be more "right".

But at the end what is the goal here?(This question is for those who are bible believing Christians).

The goal should be loving God and loving people.
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  Ericdierkerposted 7 years agoin reply to this
  That is a very nice answer. Thank you.
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  Norine Williamsposted 7 years agoin reply to this
  EJ: "Best to rely on God then." who is the Holy Spirit! Amen! Didn't HE ask us to "WAIT" for HELP fm HS (Acts 1:4) for "revelation" vs man's "interpretation?" "..they tend to be more "right". NOT more than GOD!
  "The goal should b loving God" If OBEY
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  Kiss andTalesposted 7 years agoin reply to this
  Thank you EricaJean I love your answer !
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  Norine Williamsposted 7 years agoin reply to this
  Unfortunately, NO ONE knows what loving GOD & ppl means! Who wants to see anyone they love go to HELL (lake of fire) and/or face the WRATH of GOD?
  K&T Why do you believe there's no HELL when Revelation is written?
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  Kiss andTalesposted 7 years agoin reply to this
  G.O just because we go through the motions of communication on our end does not mean he accepts on his end.
  Prayer is another word for communication with the Heavenly Father.
  A husband can block his 1Peter 3:7
  As mention satan answers request.
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  Norine Williamsposted 7 years agoin reply to this
  K&T: U never responded as to why u believe there is no HELL when WORD (GOD) SAID "Give an answer to EVERY MAN that asketh u a reason of the "hope" that is in u" (I Pet 3:15)!
  Why defy Scripture for "belief?"
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Kiss andTalesposted 7 years ago
Well put yourself in Jesus time period what would you be doing as his disciple ? What was example for us to follow . Jesus told a man if he wanted to be with him to go and sale his belongings and follow him.
He did not say go to the temple of the Sadducees and Pharisees who soon betrayed him .
Also who is it that establish what is normal what is not under who's standards?
The only right interpretation is the one Jesus left us. There are many counterfeit religions that are not endorsed by Jesus the reason he says

Mt 7:21 21“Not everyone saying to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter into the kingdom of the heavens, but the one doing the will of my Father who is in the heavens will.
Mt 7:23 23And yet then I will confess to them: I never knew YOU! Get away from me, YOU workers of lawlessness.

Here Jesus has people calling him Lord by a familiar tittle and name but he rejects their claim . And call them 'workers of lawlessness'
Many call him lord today and many will fit this scripture.
The only correct answer is What Jehovah and Jesus says is right. When you coast away from this path you are on your own.
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  Ericdierkerposted 7 years agoin reply to this
  What an interesting answer. I think this says much "Also who is it that establish what is normal what is not under who's standards?" I think that your groups comes under a lot attacks. So I value your opinion in this matter.
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  Norine Williamsposted 7 years agoin reply to this
  When 1 doesn't "WAIT" for HELP fm HS, they say ANYTHING! We don't interpret, HS "reveal" or Jn 14:26 LIED IT said HE would "lead & guide into ALL truth" NOT "you" (man)! When u "WAIT," NOT WRONG otherwise "ignorant interpretations" & Matt 7:2
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  Kiss andTalesposted 7 years agoin reply to this
  Did Jesus come under attack ? Yes he certainly did and his disciples Notice this is a certain mark of the truth.2 Cor 6:4-7 says what truthful speech is about.John 15:20 we get theses results as you mention.
  Math5:11 says it happen
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  Edwinoel Tanglaoposted 7 years agoin reply to this
  From the ROCK of true faith, d true church of Chriatianity came several Protestant sects, rebelling fr d RCC blessed by Jesus where St Peter was d first pope, n d apostles following suit. D HS remained d guide, faith as shield n d 'word' as 'sword.'
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  Norine Williamsposted 7 years agoin reply to this
  Did the ROCK consider the Book of Hebrews or just decided to overlook that One since It interfered with "established" (man made) "interpretations?"
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  Edwinoel Tanglaoposted 7 years agoin reply to this
  Hebrews tells us Jesus is d 'word' of God, Norine. It follows through with 'true faith' where d 3 elements of faith r complete w RCC but nevr in many Prot. Sects. Luth. n Anglicans see d light, nw gvs d 3 elem. as '1 accord' of valu 2 salv. FAITH V
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  KingdomComeposted 7 years agoin reply to this
  The Romen Chatholic church is corrupt.
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  Norine Williamsposted 7 years agoin reply to this
  STOP "pretending" u don't know what Hebrews is saying so you can remain in the "DEAD WORKS" of the Catholic Faith which will KILL you!
  CHRIST HAS DONE IT ALL! NO MORE RITUALS & SACRIFICES!
  You will deny yourself into HELL!
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  Ericdierkerposted 7 years agoin reply to this
  I figure as each man loves differently so may he love God differently. This notion that we all must believe the same way would suggest that God made us each identical. Just plain not true.
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  Edwinoel Tanglaoposted 7 years agoin reply to this
  Jesus has only one standard, of righteousness and forgiveness through 'true faith' in love and light. We need to go bak 2 our true self, in the image n likeness of God who created us, through His precious blood we need partake. Blessings 2 all.
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  Ericdierkerposted 7 years agoin reply to this
  Doesn't the Catholic Church teach tolerance of those of different faith?
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  Norine Williamsposted 7 years agoin reply to this
  Ed: Why DIE in "tradition?" Why not "accept" HIS WORD (Book of Hebrews)?
  
  Eric: If Catholic Faith teaches acceptance or tolerance of "other faiths," AGAINST WORD! Why would HE write Galatians 1:6-9 "ACCURSED" if "TOLERANT?"
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  Edwinoel Tanglaoposted 7 years agoin reply to this
  Norine Solemnity of d Holy Eucharist is d sacredness of d sanct. of d body n blood of Christ during d mass. Any ritual 2 sanctify d holiness of d body n blood of Christ is covered by 'true faith' wch cov. ol laws. See Gal 3, FAITH Vic Ov. Curs.n evil
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  Ericdierkerposted 7 years agoin reply to this
  Wow Norine you sure sound like an old testament/Sharia law type person. How does a Christian only focus on accursedness and damnation. Your hatred toward others is mind blowing.
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  Norine Williamsposted 7 years agoin reply to this
  Ed: Gal 3 speaks to u "under the law!" I live under New Covenant ALL SPIRITUAL & don't "DO" - "DEAD WORKS" (Heb 9:14)! You deny GOD'S WORD & "ACCURSED" (Gal 1:6-9)!
  Eric: I'm tired of u calling WORD "me!" I didn't write Gal 1:6-9! GOD DID!
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  Edwinoel Tanglaoposted 7 years agoin reply to this
  Norine Read Gal 3 with an open heart, true 'faith' overcomes all curses from the Law, where law tell us how 2 sin against God n others. 'true faith' as we partake of Christ's body n blood binds us to Christ's love, for we remain in Him, in His 'word'
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  Norine Williamsposted 7 years agoin reply to this
  Ed: Re: Gal 3: "Cursed is anyone under the LAW" which means "DOING!" Holy Eucharist="DOING!" READ "HEBREWS" ="CHRIST HAS DONE IT ALL!"
  James 2:10 "LAW="Offend in ONE POINT, "GUILTY OF ALL!"
  Gal 3:1: "O "FOOLISH" GALATIANS" ("ED")!
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  Kiss andTalesposted 7 years agoin reply to this
  Interesting the word fool is used but not in the way people want to use it.
  1Co 4:10 King James Version 1Co 4:10 We are fools for Christ’s sake, but ye are wise in Christ; we are weak, but ye are strong; ye are honorable, but we are despised.
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  Edwinoel Tanglaoposted 7 years agoin reply to this
  Norine KissnT Eric celafoe Prot Read all of Gal 2 n 3 leads us 2 'true faith' 2 remain Christ though words n commands, and 'remain I Christ' through partaking of d Holy Eucharist that u r 'above d law w 'true faith' n above all curses, ur in d vine.
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  celafoeposted 7 years agoin reply to this
  et- if the eucharest (I cannot call any catholic lie Holy) is truly turned into Christ's blood & body when you eat it, how come it tastes like ol stale crackers and cheap grape juice. catholicism is NOT Christian, it is a religion of apostate
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  Ericdierkerposted 7 years agoin reply to this
  Very interesting. Sometimes I have trouble wrapping my head around the concept that; All things of man are evil but God made man. And the weird part is that it is man who says so. Believe or not, no man speaks for God -- or does he?
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  celafoeposted 7 years agoin reply to this
  eric- . I never said all of mans work is bad. just the church system of men. Jer 17:9-10 9 "The heart is deceitful above all things, And desperately wicked; Who can know it? 10 I, the Lord, search the heart, I test the mind,
  read all of Jer 17
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  Norine Williamsposted 7 years agoin reply to this
  Why would you say "no man speaks for GOD?" You don't believe the Prophets of Old got WORD from GOD? If not, u sure don't believe Paul did same! And surely not anyone else! "GOD is the same yesterday,today &forever" (Heb 13:8)! BELIEVE?
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  Edwinoel Tanglaoposted 7 years agoin reply to this
  Cela Norine Eric Prot. Wonderful miracles of faith happen among faithful, Mircls of
  Holy Euc, apparition of d blessed mother, d mystical appearance - a ' tilma' fr r Lady of Guadalupe, healing miracles including mine, Jesuit prsts saved fr Hiro.bomb
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  Norine Williamsposted 7 years agoin reply to this
  Matt 7:22 "MANY will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful "works?" And I will profess unto them, I NEVER KNEW YOU: depart from me,..."
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  celafoeposted 7 years agoin reply to this
  et- all the things you mentioned are satanic , demonic apparitions and not of God The true miracles of God according to Mk 16:16 happen every day at the hands of only true believers. Christians, but not followers of catholic & other denominat
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  Ericdierkerposted 7 years agoin reply to this
  Not surprising at Norine that you cannot understand present tense as opposed to past tense and speaking for God as opposed to speaking in the name of God. I try to be mindful of your vocabulary handicap but you must try harder.
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  Norine Williamsposted 7 years agoin reply to this
  Jn 1:1 "THE WORD "is" GOD! When I "quote," HE speaks! Don't think HIS WORDS were for them in ancient times ONLY - "FOOL!" Heb 8:13 "JESUS CHRIST the same yesterday today & forever!" Heb 4:12 "WORD IS ALIVE" - TODAY!
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  Ericdierkerposted 7 years agoin reply to this
  You see the problem is that the Word is not alive in you. Parroting is not the same as speaking the Word.
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  Norine Williamsposted 7 years agoin reply to this
  I wish you would go & STUDY WORD so we can have a decent conversation instead of writing those "sermons" that are not beneficial for Salvation! Is 8: 20 "..If they do no speak according to THIS WORD, there's no light in them!" How's ur "sermons?
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  Edwinoel Tanglaoposted 7 years agoin reply to this
  KnT Many call him Lord, but the one who REMAINS in HIM will have eternal life, Stay in d light n b saved. Christ's commands r from d Father, His words fr d Father, our onness is in d Holy Eucharist, His blood of living water that fills as it cleanses
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  Norine Williamsposted 7 years agoin reply to this
  How can u "REMAIN" in HIM when u blv "through His precious blood we need partake" of Euch?
  U DEFY SCRIPTURE (Heb) so how did u get "IN HIM?"
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Dakkposted 7 years ago
In this case, I tend to remind myself of the teachings of Paul the Apostle (Paul of Tarsus), who, in my opinion, is the greatest of all apostles (despite being the only one that never met the christ while still alive), and who said "the letter kills but spirit gives life", which essentialy means that God's teachings through Jesus are things that must be felt and understood spiritually, individually, and no man or woman has power to condemn another based on what he or she thinks is written. After converting, Paul spent the rest of his life fighting what he considered a weakness in the early christian church, IE the fetishism for old rulesets and rituals, which the christians inherited from the old testament, laws that were outdated and not meant to be applied indefinitely (created by Moses to keep his people from splintering), with the exception of the 10 commandments, which are timeless.
Of course, I also have no right to claim this is the unquestionable truth, but it is what I believe.
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  Ericdierkerposted 7 years agoin reply to this
  That is a very interesting faith you have. I like it.
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  Norine Williamsposted 7 years agoin reply to this
  GR: Paul was JESUS talking & why "the greatest" (Acts 9:15 "vessel")! Yes we MUST "condemn another" (Lev19:17)! If one's belief is not in accordance with Gal 1:6-9="ACCURSED" & we MUST let them know; IF we love them!
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  Ericdierkerposted 7 years agoin reply to this
  I wonder if the Holy Spirit does not move on person one way and another person another. It stands to theological reason that we are all made individual and special in God's eyes. Certainly He would not treat all children the same.
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  Norine Williamsposted 7 years agoin reply to this
  We LIMIT the HS w/"our thinking" & why we "think" HS speaks to ea diff! IF WORD tells us Rm 15:6 "That ye may w/ONE MIND & ONE MOUTH glorify GOD..." then HS doesn't tell 1 one thg & another something else! Phil2:5
  Don't u treat all ur chi
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lucabrasiposted 7 years ago
Hi:

Just my opinion here. My first interpretation of scripture would be, that God is perfect and I am flawed. Given that, He is always right, and my interpretation may or may not be correct. I think the most important areas to focus on would be: how does one define who Jesus is, do we need Him, and did He complete the required work on the cross?

I hope that I am solid in my understanding of the Gospel message, but am also quite sure there are some areas of non-essential doctrine where eyes have yet to be opened. My prayer is He will show me those areas.
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  Ericdierkerposted 7 years agoin reply to this
  That raises a clear point. If someone can read the Bible as a Christian at 30 and come to one understanding and then again at 50 and have another understanding. Doesn't even an individual have different understanding.
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  Norine Williamsposted 7 years agoin reply to this
  IF u "WAITED" (Acts 1:4) & HE'S "leading & guiding," (Jn 14:26) how "wrong?" JESUS def: Jn 14:26 "in my NAME"=Holy Spirit; Yes "we need" (Jn14:6); Complete=(Jn19:30)! Eyes will be opened IF 1 "WAITS!"
  HE "leads & guides into ALL TRUTH"(J
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  Edwinoel Tanglaoposted 7 years agoin reply to this
  Amen Lucab May your heart of love open up to God in Christ n c His consuming light that reveals darkness fr ur soul. C d HS bring u 2 d lighted path where truth in ur spirit may see Christ's love for us all to d truness of r faith embodied in Christ.
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  Norine Williamsposted 7 years agoin reply to this
  Luca: We MUST first (Heb 6:1-3) "leave the principles of the doctrine of Christ & "go unto perfection" by AGREEING on "WHAT" The Gospel of Christ is!MOST don't know&when given,never heard of & refuse! Keep an open heart/mind & "Search
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thishumilityposted 7 years ago
The bible we now know today is not 100percent true and I am absolutely sure nobody can prove it. And one thing is only sure but your relationship with your self, that is as simple as if you are true to yourself then you will have a true understanding of Life and if you don't then you will be miserable, suffering from sleepless nights of which you don't know what to do, so on and so forth. These problems of mankind....all the solutions should start from the Self....sorry to say that bible is only an alibi or an outlet....escaping from all these sufferings.
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  Ericdierkerposted 7 years agoin reply to this
  I have heard this train of thought many many times. It is interesting. I think sometimes goes like the issue here. "There is only one right way to have spirituality". But I am guilty of escaping from the day to day into the realm of spirituality.
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  Norine Williamsposted 7 years agoin reply to this
  This: Spoken like a true "unbeliever!" If no GOD w/WORD (Bible), provide another book that has a many accurate fulfilled prophecies written before Bible?
  Eric: READ those Scriptures re: "Judging" to stop sounding IGNORANT or u deny HIS WORD!
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  cam8510posted 7 years agoin reply to this
  Just checking to see if my posts are going through. Some are suddenly missing.
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  Norine Williamsposted 7 years agoin reply to this
  You know why don't you (Job 1:7; Jn 10:10)?
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