I am wondering if the merger between Hub Pages and Squiddo will affect our standing with Google.
All of us here have worked very hard to improve this site so that Google, finally, has begun to view us as a credible writing site.
Now, there will be an influx of writers from another site that did not do well. Those with featured articles on Squiddo will have their articles automatically featured here without having to go through the QAP.
While I am sure that many people who write there do a great job, nonetheless our requirements here might be quite different from what they are used to.
If some of them turn out to have articles that fall below HP's standards, how will that affect this site as a whole?
Frankly, I think every writer who comes here should have to go through our QAP just to make sure they measure up.
What think you?
Timetraveler, if you read the FAQ about the merger on Squidoo's site, you will see that they do warn users that their lenses will eventually be subject to the same standards that current HP users are subject to. http://hq.squidoo.com/hp-faq/
This is copy/pasted from the FAQ page:
Will my content be subject to HubPages Terms of Service? Yes, the HubPages Terms of Service will apply to your account once it is transferred. However, HubPages is giving all Squidoo members and their content a grace period before any of HubPages’ rules which differ from Squidoo’s will take effect.
How long the grace period lasts is unspecified, but it sounds like trouble down the road for people who have a lot of lenses that pass Squidoo's current standards but not HP's current standards.
I got this 'transfer issue' just now from your post and thanks for the information. I think your concern is genuine. But the HP authority must have some strategies to address this problem. Let's be positive and welcome the Squiddo members to our wonderful community. Hope this will some positive reflections soon on HP. Let's all work together and produce some positive result.
Squiddoo Algorithms are still in stage of development. I found them unstable both sites have different content criteria.
I have exactly the same concerns, especially when I heard that all featured Squidoo lenses will be automatically transferred to HP.
It is not that Squidoo writers are automatically inferior to HP writers, indeed many people have busy accounts on both sides. There are excellent writers on both HP and on Squidoo, and terrible writers on both sides.
But as you point out HP has worked incredibly hard with the QAP etc. to get rid of the articles that made Google angry, Squidoo has tried to improve the site for over a year (starting from March 2013 I think), with no success.
I'm just not confident that the 175,000 lenses featured on Squidoo are 'vetted' enough to make sure we don't get hated by Google.
Unless the new content will somehow be quarantined from HP content. We're told very little about how the mechanics of this will work. All I can say is that after working so hard to improve HP ranking I find it hard to imagine that Paul and co. would just throw it all away. But I am worried.
I have written to the HP team about the issue that this post brings up. I assume they have worked something out about this, but I feel all of the writers, both old and new, need to see this.
https://www.seroundtable.com/google-pen … 18163.html
This won't affect us in a bad way as long as hubpages doesn't publish the low quality lenses.
You do not understand the issue.
If those articles are published here with the same URLs they may carry the penalties Squidoo had to HP, and that would be disastrous.
Furthermore, it does not sound to me like HP is planning to initially eliminate any low quality posts because they are allowing a brief "grace period".
That, to me, is an open door to disaster!
I'm not sure the information in the article you're talking about (https://www.seroundtable.com/google-pen … 18163.html) necessarily applies.
Squidoo is not moving the site to a new domain. Some (note: only some) of Squidoo's content is coming here to Hubpages, but Squidoo is not simply changing domain.
Google is probably smart enough to tell that the content was originally on Squidoo. But then it's probably also smart enough to tell whether the content is good or not.
People move articles all the time from sites that aren't doing well, and then find their articles do better elsewhere. (Half of the articles on this site are here for that reason). Wouldn't this be impossible if the article you mentioned applied?
If the URLs do not change, we may have a problem.
Yes, people do move articles all the time from one site to another, but they change the URL when they do it.
It does not sound to me like this will be the case here.
It is not just about the new domain, it is really about carrying the URLs across.
Even if those URLs are attached to really good articles, they still were part of the penalty Google assessed, and I am not certain that Squidoo totally recovered from that penalty.
This concerns me greatly.
Timetraveller, the URL is changing... It's going from squidoo.com/ABC to subdomain.hubpages.com/ABC
If that's not a change enough, then I'm sure search engines are also smart enough to realize that the content is same even if you totally manage to change the URL to sudomain.hubpages.com/XYZ.
In your reply to one of my posts you also mentioned that squidoo users should personally transfer their lenses as that would give them a different URL. What makes you say they're not going to end up with subdomain.hubpages.com/ABC?
Or are you saying that the 301 redirects are the determining factor in this case (The merger)?
This is true when it comes to Google. However, HubPages is not simply copying and pasting bad articles from Squidoo. They will be transferring articles that have been "vetted" by Squidoo. I'm sure these articles will also go through a HubPages filter of some sorts. So the after effects, if any, from Google should be minimal. You might see a slight slump in views, but it should bounce back and even rise after the influx of hopefully quality content. If you're worried about a merger, maybe you should start your own site so you can control what Google thinks of you.
HP filter or not, if the URLs stay the same, we could have a problem.
I am not trying to be negative here or even critical of this merger, and for you to suggest that I might want to move my work to my own site so that I can "control" what happens is unfair.
However, there is such a thing as being realistic about potential problems, and I am only voicing my concerns, which I feel might well be justified.
It is my hope that the team has taken all of this into consideration, and probably they have, but until I hear back from them on this, I will be worried.
You have been here 20 months and have 20 hubs.
I have been here 3 years and have 137 hubs.
You have much less to lose than I do, my friend, so it is easy for you to take a casual attitude about this.
Not so easy for me and for the writers here who have hundreds if not thousands of posts.
The URL's are changing, the squidoo lenses in question will be redirected to the new URL's over here at squidoo. Your concern is valid, Squidoo has been struggling with Google, and Hubpages seems to have fared better.
I am one of the squidoo writers being transferred. I will be carefully going through my articles as they get transferred over to make sure they look good and meet the Hubpages guidelines because I too want to succeed here . I am willing to bet that for the most part the Squidoo ppl making the move also are of the same mind, and those that don't want to work at success here at hubpages will opt out of the move (and that is an option, moving is not mandatory) back up their lenses and move somewhere else. I think in the long run this will be a good thing for all.
Squidoo transfers will be 301 redirects.
I doubt if Paul Edmonson is going to do anything in a way where Google will slap this site again!
I have been worried about the same thing. I am hoping HP is going to hold the same standards that have made the site thrive, across the board. My understanding is that they are going to do that, as said on another thread: That they will be "working with Lensmasters" to make sure their articles fit the HP model. I don't think HP would make this acquisition without considering the effect the new content might have and to safeguard the site. This is a site that's survived search engine algorithm changes and has been going strong for almost ten years. So, I think they must be considering everything that is necessary to maintain the site's quality during this merger.
I am certain HP will hold everybody to the same standards, but that is not my concern.
My concern is bringing articles here with a grace period, albeit brief, and also simply transferring articles here that carry the same URLs that were on a previous site that was penalized so heavily by Google that it never recovered.
I understand what you're saying and I have thought about that too. I don't have technical knowledge to know what effect it would have to feature content without QAP within the grace period and to have the URL redirect from a site that's taken a beating like Squidoo. On the one hand, if the Lenses are assuredly quality, then this could be a good boost to HP. If not, I definitely then see your concern. What I'm wondering, too, is if that grace period when those transferred articles are featured is a short enough period to not allow any bad stuff to affect HP. Along with that, is HP going to put those articles through some kind of quality assessment after they are transferred?
It seems the central issues are, What content is being transferred and what measures have been taken, both at Squidoo and here at HP, to make sure that the content is quality? Also, Is there time to make sure they are up to standards here before they'd have a bad effect on this site's rep?
Firstly, it would be impractical. I'm still not sure whether the QAP team has been able to QAP every single Hub yet - remember, they had all the thousands of existing Hubs to do when the system was first introduced! Secondly, as you say only Featured articles will be transferred over so they have been through a type of quality control. Thirdly, once they are part of HubPages I suspect most people will want to edit their lenses to fit the HubPages layout, and that will send them through the QAP.
The quality of writing on Squidoo isn't that different from here, anyway. I suspect their failure to recover has more to do with other factors.
Oh, I definitely agree. I did not mean to imply that the quality of anybody's writing was poor, just that my gut tells me that everybody here should have to do the same thing...which is to have their articles pass through the QAP before being featured.
I feel for the incoming writers because they are facing a monumental task, but I also think a transition this big should be handled very carefully in order for it to succeed.
One Squidoo writer made the point today that they are used to placing many Amazon ads on their articles with very little content and that changing this will be hard on them.
If Squidoo allowed this and passed those articles through their vetting process, what will happen if they just show up here without first going through the QAP?
How do you know that all of your Hubs have gone through QAP? There were thousands of Hubs in existence long before QAP started. When it was introduced, they said that backlog of older Hubs would gradually be worked through, and that in the meantime, they would try to hide the bad ones by unFeaturing all the ones with low traffic. Considering the number of new Hubs constantly being added, I wonder how many of those old Hubs have actually been QAP'd yet.
I think they are putting a lot of thought into it. After all, Paul Edmonson said they are taking only KEY content, so they are being fussy about what they take. Also, remember that unlike Squidoo, we all have sub-domains, which Google regards as individual websites. That was the whole point of sub-domains, remember - to quarantine the good writers from the bad.
I do find this somewhat worrying. The featured lenses (175k of them) are all that Google sees on Squidoo, and the site is still under a big penalty. Google does work in very mysterious ways, but a simple explanation is that it doesn't like the content that is featured on Squidoo. It seems like a big risk to bring that content over here.
Incidentally I have about 50 lenses on Squidoo, and at one time they earned more than my hubs, so this isn't a case of me saying that HP is wonderful and Squidoo is dreadful. It's just that right now Google seems to think that HP is ok, and Squidoo is terrible, and I'd hate my hubs to be penalised because of my lenses.
But if my lenses start earning money again, I will be very happy!
HP will simply not publish them until the problems/errors have been corrected, then they will go through the QAP as ours do.
So what does "grace period" mean, then? Maybe I interpreted it incorrectly?
Usually 'grace period' means a period of time before anything is done.
An example is when your payment is late and they give you a 'grace period' before there is a late charge. In this case it means they have a period of time before the Terms & Conditions are put in effect. It is in the FAQ section.
Lenses will be transferred from Squidoo to Hub Pages by those who allow it. Not every Squidoo member is going to come here.
The Grace Period for them will be several months so that they can work on their lenses that are here, get them up to par, fix them so that they fit Hub Pages in the way of format, getting rid of the text links that they have because Squidoo allowed something like 20.
Would it make sense to look for another site to make money on? I saw ad for Treglu.com. Have anyone had any experience with that site? Says that you can get paid for posts in your topic feed. I think I will register, but wanted to see if anyone heard of it. Thx
SamanthaJones, no I've never heard of that one. There are any number if small players in the revenue-share space - Zujava, Wizzley, Infobarrel, Seekyt, Persona Paper. None of them has ever had the money-making potential of either HubPages or Squidoo. Bubblews is a different model, more like a paid Facebook - it's a place to have a bit of fun and earn some easy, instant pennies but it's not good for passive income.
They didn't give you guys much time at Squidoo to figure out what to do with all your writing. Do many of you keep your documents on Word or a flash drive? At least that way you can save your content and post it back up in whatever order you want.
I know when I post on a new site, I often make mistakes and have a weird way of "losing" an article after I spent a long time writing it. At least if you have it saved somewhere, you won't have to start all the way from scratch, and maybe post your work by niche, or post the ones that made you the most money at Squidoo first.
I always keep a copy. Personally, since I only had one lens left on Squidoo, I copied and save it, will revamp and then use it here.
However, those with a ton of lenses, they need a hub pages account just for Squidoo content. Something is happening that allows their content to be transferred to HP from Squidoo and then some URL redirect is suppose to happen. If they copy and move each lens it is possible that Google will pick it up as duplicate content.
Treglu looks like combination of Facebook and Bubblews. You have to take into account that these new sites are at the bottom of Google ratings. They don't give a lot of information about whether or not you can do affiliate marketing there. I am not wasting my time with a new site
I must have been under a rock, I haven't heard about this.
I do think, generally speaking, the quality of Squidoo lenses is much lower.
I do think this could be detrimental to Hubpages.
I know practically nothing about Squiddo, but I do feel that if their writing was good, they would not have failed. I'm plenty concerned about this and also the way their featured writers will be permitted to come here and publish without having to go through the QAP.
That is our only real protection against dealing with a lowering of our overall quality here.
I know some writers here also write there, so those I do not see problems with.
Hi, guys. I'm new here, and a transfer from Squidoo.
Squidoo didn't fail. The two sites are merging. I'm sure if Squidoo was a failure, HubPages wouldn't have bothered with a merger.
I think you'll find that those Squids who produce the most popular content at Squidoo have pretty high standards, and, if they've chosen to move over here to HubPages, will work quickly to ensure that their stuff meets or exceeds the standards here. Some of us are viewing it as an opportunity to tighten things up a bit, and blow the dust off content that is older. I just finished going through my own list of lenses, and deleting a few that I really think HubPages can do without!
Just keep chanting "change is good", and we'll all be fine...
I'm also coming over from Squidoo. I work darn hard on my lenses and am proud of all them. We're all in this together!
I'm another Squidoo transfer and I can assure you what is being said about Squidoo writers is a bit unfair. We are good writers and if some of our pages are not up to standard we will do our best to improve them.
That's fine. We never mean Squiddos are doing bad. Let's work hard and together. Keep on writing. all the best.
I do not think anybody here feels that Squid writers are any less talented or dedicated than those here at HP.
However, you know as well as I do that there have been serious problems with spam over there and that Google penalized the site for it.
Writers here just want to make sure that we don't lose our edge due to problems that never were totally resolved over there.
This is not slamming your writers, it is just showing justified concern.
The truth is that all of us will love having good, talented and creative writers here who will help us to expand our presence on search engines.
That sounds good to me. I would really love to see HP grow and prosper to become the great site it was before Panda started wreaking havoc here.
I wish all of the Squiddo writers the best of luck here.
This is a very supportive community and we will do all we can to help you adapt.
Thanks. And for the record, it's lisavollrath, and Squidoo. We do check our spelling here at HubPages, don't we?
Yes...I've been bashed a few times today about how I have spelled Squidoo...but you must admit that is a very unusual name.
As for your own name, the print is so small that the second l looked like an i to me.
Finally, we do check our spelling here, but sometimes important thoughts take precedence over a minor spelling error here and there.
My apologies if I have hurt your feelings, but I will add that the way to build good relationships here is not to negatively criticize.
I know Squidoo writers are upset, but so are many HP writers.
This is not the time to nitpick as it only makes things worse.
If you feel as though you're being bashed, perhaps it's just some of what you've posted in this thread whipping around and biting you. I'm sure some of us are feeling a little bruised and battered from what we've read here. Just a thought...
This is how I solve my spelling issues when it comes to site and user names that aren't familiar:
Hope that helps!
TimeTraveler , Thanks for being a good sport about the change. This is a lesson on change, to be sure.
As some have said, here, those (from Squidoo) that are willing to put the work into the merger are those that will add *to* the platform and I'm sure HP HQ will boot out any that are detrimental to it's staying successful.
It's only natural for everyone to feel a bit 'blown over' by news of the merger; I've worked in stocks and bonds for over 15 years and have experienced it on massive scale, so I feel the disdain many are expressing, here on HP.
I'm one of the newcomers and sincerely appreciate the gracious welcoming I see here.
Like many others from Squidoo, we were met with the same surprise announcement Hubbers have and we've no choice in the matter if we're to continue our passion for writing and being rewarded with community engagement while earning.
I've heard great things about HubPages, it's great layout (thanks, sokii), HQ professionalism, quality standards and people, so I'm eager to be a part of the platform and keeping my work up to snuff.
I know I'm the 'new kid on the block' and I've a long way to go before I declare myself proficient within the community and its pages but it sure is nice that I see some warm welcome--and so many familiar faces I know who've written for both Squidoo and HubPages simultaneously. Like them, my concern will be with keeping HubPages the great place I've been hearing about.
Thank you guys who've been kind and welcoming!
~Wendy aka HomeArtist (formerly luv2help on Squidoo)
I like change and growth too Lisa. Your credentials and attitude show that your hubs will be valuable additions to our beloved site. Welcome, and good luck on your new journey with HP!
Thanks, Sue. It's nice to hear some kind words here. I've been with Squidoo since early on, and I'm sad to see it go.
Welcome aboard new Hubbers from Squidoo! Good luck!!
Hi! I'm also a Squidoo writer. Many of us have VERY high standards for our writing. Some of us also have questions about how this merger will affect us. A lot of us are in shock about the news and feeling sad, as I'm sure HubPage authors would feel if they found out they were "losing their home." I hope that you will offer us a warm welcome and some patience as we learn the ropes of writing specifically for HubPages. I personally am feeling overwhelmed just at the prospect of going through all of my articles (68) to make sure any reference to "lenses" are edited to say "hubs" and make any adjustments necessary to meet Hub guidelines. Squidoo has a very passionate, encouraging community, and I hope that I will see the same over here.
Winners never quit; quitters never win! Keep on writing. All the best dear.
Personally, I refer to my hubs as articles, that way you don't have to change them from place to place..just in case.
Welcome to all the Squidoo writers. I can understand that you are in shock. Hopefully the transition goes smoothly for everyone.
I can certainly understand how that must be daunting. I have over 100 hubs and I can't imagine having to move them all to a new site.
As for changing references to lenses, I suggest the Ctrl F function to quickly move through content and find and replace words.
Good luck and welcome.
I hadn't even thought about having to replace all references to lenses with hubs. This is going to take some time to fix everything. Actually, I have been writing for both Squidoo and HubPages for several years.
Just as a reference, how many Amazon modules are considered too many?
I have lenses that have only a couple of Amazon products displayed, while a few others have quite a few. Squidoo limited lensmasters to 20 Amazon products per lens a while back. This usually seems excessive, but there are times when it works.
As far as the quality of writing, I don't see much difference in the hubs I have read compared to the lenses I have read.
The unfeatured low quality lenses won't be moved over, so most of that writing will never see HubPages. The few that do make it somehow, will be caught when the grace period is over.
I'd like to welcome all former Squidoo-ites and new Hubbers I understand why people are worried -- it's unnerving to put a lot of work into something, and have all the changes out of one's control. It's only natural for everyone from both sites to be worrying about how this change will affect them.
But I can only see it as a positive thing for Hubpages. A new influx of writers. Fresh blood. It's good.
Sure, some of the articles imported won't meet standards, but I don't think that's going to majorly impact much. The hubpages criteria will still apply once the grace period is done. It's not like a permanent free pass to poor articles that were written over there.
[And let's be honest, there are a lot of published hubs that suck too]
So instead of scaring away all these nice new Squidoo writers, let's enjoy the opportunity to meet new folks.
Besides, whatever one's opinion on the merger is, it's not like anything we say will change it! Good results or bad, it's here. All we can do is wait and see how things play out.
It is either going to boost our standing or lower it. Hopefully it helps.
I, too, must have been under a rock; this is the first I've heard of this as well...
All squids would have been under the same rock, it's not been 24 hours since we found out about it our selves. Many of us are rather emotional too at the moment.
As a long-term Squidoo and HP writer, I think you are mistaken. They are different. I always strive to make all my content as good as possible. Perhaps you haven't read many lenses?
I've been on squidoo too, lately the quality is good. but in the past there were plenty of lenses that were noting but amazon capsules. They were still around when I last checked. Not sure if they were taken down over the past few months
There are still more than a few copied content articles on HP, I have seen them. I have also been recently spammed by a Hubber who had nothing more than a set of doorway pages to some get rick quick scheme. No filter is perfect.
Yup that's true. Here at HP we don't have a filter, each article goes through human editors (At Mturk though), but something better than nothing. This is keeping the overall quality high, hope the standards are maintained.
Welcome to HP Jason hope you have a nice time here.
Actually, we have a very complex set of filters on HubPages which is important because the MTurk people are no guarantee of anything resembling editorial oversight. They are just paid eyeballs, not paid brains, and you can tell by the crappy job they do.
Thank you. I have been here as Darkprinceofjazz for 2 years. I love HubPages. I noticed the writing on the wall at Squidoo for quite some time, and was focusing most of my time elsewhere with HP as a big part of it.
You are right...no filtering program is perfect and, yes, HP still suffers from some problem writers which the team still is working on dumping.
However, something is better than nothing!
The only other option to keep this site strong is to flag bad articles when you see them so that the team can check them out and get rid of them if needed.
It is important to all concerned to keep this site strong so that we all can thrive, earn and enjoy what we are doing.
I know that many Squids feel the same way, and that gives me hope!
In my opinion I think this may be the reason why a separate HP account has to be created for Squidoo content. Even current Hubbers with Squidoo content has to have a separate account. Maybe once things cool down, the separate accounts will allow HP to review the Squidoo content that has been transferred over and then act accordingly.
I am not a very techy person, and never thought of it that way. But maybe it is so the work being transferred is not thought to be duplicate content it will have the special URL. That's only for a while, until the transfers take place and it's seen that it's working, right?
I thought Squidoo had good writers, based on the articles I have read. Do you think any Squidoo staff will come? What a surprise! Do you think the score variations have anything to do with this news?
No, I do not think our hub score issues have anything to do with this. If you read Paul Edmonson's responses you will see that those score drops are the result of some tweaking the team has done to the algorithm within HP.
I have no idea as to whether the Squiddo team will join the HP team, but I would rather doubt it.
Why would HP want to team up with people whose business failed?
You could learn how to spell the name of the site. That might give you some credibility as a writer too.
Duly noted. However I do not think incorrectly spelling a name is going to affect my credibility here. Criticism should never be mean spirited.
Hear, Hear, Timetraveler2.
Some people need to learn that we are a community of writers who are open and helpful to each other.
Hi Time Traveler - There has been a lot of thought by the Team toward this effort. I think we need to welcome our new friends and let the Team answer any questions. I know there is concern, but the Team planned it and know more answers than we could possibly know. You are such a great writer, and I appreciate you and all that you do.
I think you're missing the point: HubPages has already teamed up with Squidoo. Squidoo didn't fail. The two sites are merging.
My guess is as good as yours, no way to know if the score variations were done in anticipation of taking over Squidoo. But what I can say is that I think the new algorithm for hub scores will have an immediate effect on Squidoo lens. In HP's Squidoo Transition FAQ's on the subject they say that featured lenses will automatically be featured on HP. But as I see it, the poor quality ones will quickly become unfeatured, or at least hidden from Google due to a lower hub score.
Then again, I am sure there are a good number of quality lenses, otherwise HP would not have considered this, in my opinion. So I wouldn't worry about any negative effects on HP by taking over Squidoo.
If you were to pit a top lens against a top hub in terms of content and presentation quality, there is no difference.
But I do believe, witnessed from years of experience, that there is more crap on Squidoo then there is on HubPages. But if HubPages is choosy as to what it imports and features, it will just be a short term hurdle that involves a hell of a lot of work on their part. Long term everyone will benefit.
I've long been of the opinion that the content from a top quality lens would perform better, financially, on HubPages.
The co-op ad revenue pool on Squidoo has dropped a lot over the last year or so, so hopefully these people will start to get what they deserve.
I hope you are correct because I would just hate to see HP go back to where it was about a year ago, when it almost went under due to crappy writers and ongoing aggravating changes that drove people away.
Hi Darkside, As someone who depended on Squidoo to pay my bills, I'm happy to read your post.
YES, there is some utter crap left on Squidoo despite the heavy filtering but it's believes there was 'selective oversight' where some lensmasters (I'm using the term lightly for those people) had close ties with HQ.
No, it wasn't fair but life isn't fair and I could have always 'taken my ball and gone home' if I didn't want to put up with that. I chose to stay and keep my personal zeal for quality to myself. I'm sure Paul et al. will get rid of those hubs ASAP.
Thanks for your positivity; I really need it, right about now.
I've written for both for a little while now, and I can say that both have good writers and some not-so-good ones, just like pretty much anywhere. I think Squidoo's big failing was with trying some black hat SEO stuff a few years ago that didn't sit well with Google, especially with the Panda update. Squidoo just never recovered.
I believe this merger/takeover will benefit the quality content producers from Squidoo.
And the internet will be a better place for all the crap that is going to be dislodged and swept away.
I was unaware of that, but I can assure you that this will not happen here at HP.
We work as a team with the goal of attaining success for all of us.
I've also read that I need a new Hubpages account to transfer my Squidoo pages over. Is that really the case? If so, I might just move them over manually, one at a time (although that seems like a great deal of work). Not really sure which would be worse.
If you go to the hub pages home page and look to the right, you will find the announcement about this. It explains some of the issues you are asking about.
Wow, what a pain, glad it's not me. You have my sympathies.
@goatfury I don't think it's a wise idea to move them yourself (not just the work involved) you're also going to lose any credibility and get yourself into duplicate content issues with search engines.
When moved directly you get 301 redirects and those are going to help out immensely. So refrain from moving them yourself if you want what's best monetarily else it's upto you.
There might be some benefit to linking between the two sub-domains.
You are correct, however, what if, by moving articles directly (which means they would keep their URLs) HP ends up carrying the same penalty that Squid had?
How would you like it if every author on HP lost credibility (aka income) and the result of all of our hard work because redirects were done?
Yes, this would be an awful chore for the incoming writers, but unless there is something of which I am not aware, it could also spell the demise of HP.
There is much more to this than just the extra work incoming writers might have to do.
I am hoping this will not be an issue and that the team has done something to assure that this will not occur, but if it should, we can all kiss our work goodbye.
Kiss our ass goodbye as well. Only messing. It is all very exciting. I actually had a visit from a Squidder today so that makes one visit. Brilliant.
Quote TIMETRAVELLER2 "Furthermore, it does not sound to me like HP is planning to initially eliminate any low quality posts because they are allowing a brief "grace period"."
I totally agree with the above statement. But other than that there's nothing to worry about. 301 redirects would only harm the new subdomain is there's any issue (which I don't think there are). Yes our hubs are all interlinked due to the related Hubs feature. But I hope low quality lenses (Some of which are featured) don't get to stay.
I've moved sites before for clients and traffic wasn't impacted (But they didn't have a massive hit before either). I follow plenty of blogs and forums and there have been reports that moving to a new domain with 301 redirects actually helped out and got rid of any negative effects.
Here's my reasoning:
Squidoo over the past year has done it's best to get rid of the bad lenses (Again a few may still remain featured). But most of them are gone! However, the Penguin update (The bad lenses would have had the most bad links too) and Panda have been less frequent and they didn't cover all search terms which would only mean Squidoo didn't get a second chance (YET). So, when that quality content is moved over to Hubpages, there's high probability that it's going to be well accepted by search engines and probably give us all a boost as well.
Please can no one use the phrase 'quality content' any more or I might lose it.
Quality Content just means it's got something other than Amazon Ads Will. Not the way people write that's a different issue. You can create a meme probably Been a while since I've seen one of your creations on the forums.
[Edit] Looks like I lost it lol...
I wouldn't move my content over piecemeal unless you're sure they pass the quality standards,
as you won't benefit from the grace period. I'll have to wait, myself.
HomeArtist, there's no way to be "sure" a Hub will pass the quality standards until the Hub goes through the QAP. And if it doesn't pass QAP, then it will be sitting unpublished on your account, and you can work on improving it until it does pass. Failing QAP doesn't leave a "black mark" on your scoreboard, so don't be worried about it!
So I wouldn't feel you have to sit on your hands and wait. The quality standards are not really that onerous. When you edit a Hub, you will see some tick boxes at the top right hand side of the Hub - those are to encourage you to write a "stellar" Hub. However, as with anything in life, not everything has to be "stellar" - and some subjects simply don't lend themselves to all those bells and whistles.
So long as your lens is over 400 words, I wouldn't hesitate to move it. Just bear in mind the two main rules:
- only one Amazon product per 50 words of text (so a 400 word Hub can't have more than 8 products)
- no more than TWO links to the same domain in a single Hub
If you've read any of the top lenses, you'll see that they have some quality writers and will be a benefit to HP. Personally, I think it says a lot about both businesses and what they're striving for in the long run. Welcome Squids to HP!
Thanks nice to see some positive people here talking about Squidoo merger with Hubpages.
Thanks for that!
I found it somewhat disconcerting to see negative comments about Squidoo writers. Once we're over here you'll be able to judge for yourselves. No worries
Thank you for welcoming us! As soon as it all transfers, we'll be working hard to get our articles in Hub style.
WOW! This is big news, didn't know anything about it, so out of the loop. I don't know what to expect. But it is kind of unexpected to have extended family move in and share the space. Welcome I mean
Welcome to HubPages, all the people coming from Squidoo. I do hope this merger ends the bad streak of traffic you have been having and increases the views for current Hubbers as well as we increase the quality content on our site.
Hi Squidoo folks. Welcome. I am so glad to see you here. We are all in this together, and it seems like a great opportunity for everyone. Hope you enjoy the site and make money.
Thank you! It means a lot to feel welcome. I have had a great experience with Squidoo and am feeling like I am going through the grieving process right now.
Agree! It is a grieving process and it's not nice, very stressful.
Sorry for your loss and for the immense changes you are facing right now. Please accept my hearty welcome and hopes for your ongoing success here. It's a great place with a lot of supportive people. We take pride in our community and I'm glad to see experienced writers join us.
All the best to the new members,
Boy, I feel for ya. I would be very upset if it were the other way around.
I am sorry you lost your site so suddenly. It must be difficult for you. Learning a new site will take time, but we will help as much as we can. Please feel welcome.
Thanks for the welcomes. Several of us are already here and have been for years. Squidoo was a friendly site with a good community. I will miss it.
I'm a Squidoo transfer as well, but I also have an existing account on Hubpages and a blog. A lot of us do. I'd wager that a lot of the content that will be moved over from Squidoo has been held to the same standard I hold my own. I'm actually really excited about this move!
Welcome to HubPages, everyone from Squidoo. The transition may be a bit difficult, but I'm sure you'll enjoy it here!
Oh it will be difficult in many respects, there are clear differences in style. IMHO, pages that have a sales driven approach, but get high traffic and sales can't be expected to do the same on HubPages with the changes in link numbers etc... Maybe they could do better trimmed down a bit?
Some articles might be better suited on different sites that match the style and outcome you want. This is what many of us are carefully weighing.
I wonder which does better on Hubpages, Is it Amazon or Adsense?
The HP Ad Program was better than straight AdSense for me.
Given that very single lens has to move first, it's really going to be a case of wait and see.
But I do know that content which didn't perform for me as well here often did better at Squidoo and vice versa, and it's clear a few pages are going to have to battle it out.
Neither. The HP Ads program is the most lucrative income source for most people. If you've got the HP Earnings Program turned on, you will earn little or nothing from Adsense because HP Ads take over most of the ad space.
Amazon is not a big money spinner for most people, partly because Hubbers are nervous about using too many capsules for fear of being considered "spammy" (there's a long history behind it, don't worry about it!).
Change can be a good thing. I too was unaware of this merger but can see the positives of such a move. HP has had its struggles with Panda and joining forces with the Squidoo site might help us all. Welcome aboard squids and let's all work together to make HP the best writing site to benefit all of us writers so we can all thrive.
Thanks Luis! I'm glad to see that there are more welcoming comments than haters. Squidoo was a tight, supportive community that helped me come into my own as a writer. I hope that HP takes us all to the next level.
Life is forever changing! I can only imagine the stress and concern you folks from Squidoo are going through. I welcome all of you. You will love HubPages! Everyone is very helpful and caring here.
I am new to all this and finished boot camp this week. Today I published my first hub outside of bootcamp. I will sort of see how others feel about this union. I hope it is a good one. Where did you learn of the merger between the two?
Looks like this is going to be fun... if I can get my crap lenses up to snuff that is.
I'm another transferee from Squidoo. Thanks for the welcoming messages from those of you who sent them.
This is going to be a learning experience for all of us, I think. Yesterday no-one had any idea this was going to happen, and as Elsie says, some of us are grieving the loss of a site we've been members of for years.
Hopefully, it won't take long to integrate and become an integral part of the Hubpages community, and to learn how best to meet the HP standards. I think we all like to see quality content!
Welcome -- hopefully the move will add a breath of fresh air to the site. The transfer of new experiences can only bode well for the community as a whole.
Excited to be a member during this momentous period in the history of Hubpages.
So site gets hammered by Google and genius decides to bring content over here.
Google sees all the content they just hammered but in a different place.
What happens next?
IF they took the very best content only - say 1% of Squidoo - and slowly introduced it then there might be some small gain.
I predict disaster.
If they moved the whole site over then it would be a problem.
HP has said that they will be acquiring "key content".
So maybe it's 10% of what there is at Squidoo. And then it will still have to pass muster over here.
It won't be a disaster. It will be a challenge though. I take it there won't be any HP staff members having any holidays between now and Christmas, they're going to be busy, busy people.
Ten per cent?
Ah OK, that must be the real quality content.
I'm not so sure about that (the 10%). If I read Paul's blog correctly, it will be all featured content, so 175000 lenses. And they will not undergo QAP.
Mind you, 175k might be 10% of all lenses. Technically this should be the best content, but I've never had great confidence in Squidoo's ranking algorithms (although I know they've changed in the past year). And the reason they require everybody to make a new subdomain, even if you have an HP account is so they can keep an eye on the new content.
The fact is that this 175k is all the indexed content on Squidoo right now. Content that Google seems to hate. So what is going to make it not hate it on HP and our hubs along with it?
I guess Paul et al have thought it through and they've put some kind of measures in place. I can't believe they would have worked so hard on getting better traffic from Google, just to risk it now.
No, I don't want to believe it either. Must have been tempting - all that content and those authors. Huge risk but little choice in my opinion. Fight for survival and all that.
The other side of the coin is that getting a bunch of new content to HP could be very valuable, and get Google to like this site more. As long as it isn't content it objects to.
There are many good lenses on Squidoo, and they did spend a year unpublishing all sorts of stuff and closing accounts altogether. It seems not to have made any difference to Google. Which is puzzling. The Goo algorithms seem to be very unresponsive.
You would think that traffic would fall with some spammy content, then return when spammy content was removed.
But Squidoo became incredibly spammified before Google noticed. And then when a lot of the spam was removed, it didn't see even a small amount of the traffic back.
Maybe to save money they don't really run the algorithm on big sites? They just decide that some are good and some are bad, and then check every couple of years?
I doubt if HP would allow that on here, the writers would probably have to remove, or correct, anything that was not allowed before being published.
There are some good lenses of course aalite - just as there are on HP. But how many does Google need? No one knows how they work but Matt C said he would destroy them and one by one they are tumbling.
If anything it seems to be accelerating.
Maybe... if HP took the good and also cleared out a lot of the so-so stuff on here - maybe they could survive when no one else can.
Are there any other viable writing sites left I wonder?
I posted this on another board, but just to reassure some of you Hubbers.
Those of us who have quality lenses on Squidoo had started to see our traffic from Google back up in the last two months. I'm running almost 1000 a week again (about what I had 18 months ago) and Summer is a bit slow for me. I should have hit the peak in September. I think that with only bringing the top 200,000 or so pages, HubPages should benefit from the quality content coming from Squidoo.
Does redirecting from a penalized site affect the new site? Maybe, according to this article...
https://www.seroundtable.com/google-pen … 18163.html
It's nice to see the same hard heads over here as other forums I participate in, I say affectionately: Not all lenses were hammered by Google, "Google authorship".
I think Google can tell the difference between junk and the good stuff.
Squidoo already purged its self of much of the overt spam that clogged up the site, yeah some of it still remains, and will need to be either filtered out or manually removed.
I am a Hubber too, I don't want what I have built here to be harmed either, so I completely get your trepidation.
....and believe me, us Squids who arrive on your shores, many of us are very conscious of spam, and we work our selves to get it dealt with via the right channels.
I'll be seeing a lot of old friends come over to HubPages. I'm going to enjoy inviting them over to the "darkside".
Wow! What a surprise! Hopefully this will inject some life into the HP community which has been dead as a dodo for ages now.
Will be good to see you around here again Darkside
I'm a little uneasy with the changes, mostly because I don't like change. Hopefully this will improve HubPages.
What we can do is welcome our new Squidoo friends in a warm, HubPages fashion.
This is what happens when a big company faces heavy competition. Life goes on regardless of change and new Hubbers from Squidoo are welcome
Hello to all Squidoo transferees & hope you have as much fun as I do writing at Hubpages! Working together should improve our traffic, we end up becoming a much bigger site with more content drawing more of a crowd from Google, after all.
Not what I was expecting to wake up to, but welcome to all Squidoo writers and hope you settle in and enjoy your new writing home
Thank you for the kind words of welcome. Have a nice day.
Hi Elsie you're the first person from squidoo that I see here. Welcome and feel free to ask if u need anything. We have a really helpful community here.
Btw I don't see any hubs. Have you not transferred your lenses yet or is there some process thats taking time?
What a shock. I have two thoughts.
1. I am nervous as I just started to do well after a long absence due to the Panda slap a while back.
2. If this can happen to Squidoo it can happen to Hubpages which makes me even more nervous.
Just the thought of having to transfer all my hubs over to another site makes me nauseous.
Well, I can tell you that Hubpages by comparison has done things the right way since Panda, and Squidoo simply didn't as a whole.
During the Past 18 months, I have almost completely transitioned to HP and other places from Squidoo, as far as creating any new content anyway.
Likely any garbage from Squidoo will be filtered and regurgitated anyway not to affect the site, but as Squids know, nothing is promised to us, diversify diversify diversify.
It was a shock to us too, but I am very hopeful that we'll all get in line with HubPages as soon as we can. We're learning already.
Warm welcome to all the Squidoo writers. I've learned so much about affiliate marketing on the Squidu Yuku forum. You are a great group of people.
Thank you, good to be here
The Squidu Yuku forum, for those who haven't seen it, is an independent group of Squidoo writers - we aren't (weren't) Squidoo HQ's favourite people which was, in my mind, a compliment!
lol. Well our new editors will be busy. Their workload just expanded enormously.
Welcome to the new hubbers.
Let us all welcome our new friends the squidoo writers. Let's be rest assured that their coming to HP will better improve the site. Hubpages staff knows better.
It's nice to see darkside active in the HP forums again. For newer hubbers, you may not know that he was an integral part of the original HP 'learning center' and has helped many, many hubbers get started on the site. When I joined, he was always helping out giving advice in the forums.
Right now HP is ranked 70 on Quantcast with 34.3M monthly global uniques, 18.2M from the US. With additional content combined on one site, it should help us climb back into the top 50 web sites. It will be interesting to watch and see what happens.
Change is hard for all of us... those who are HP residents and those of us who chose the Squidoo neighborhood for a reason.
Thank you to the HP folks who are giving a warm welcome. I appreciate it as I get settled in to my new address. By the way, I really hate moving. But I am looking forward to the possibilities.
As far as quality, I am very concerned about improving my quality of writing. I welcome going through whatever quality screenings HP has.
I'm dawnraeb on Squidoo. Feel free to take a peek in the windows of my old place. My stuff should be there for another day or two. I am very anxious about seeing how it will fit into my new Hubpages home.
I hope the movers are gentle and there are no accidents on the way.
Just went through a few of your lenses, look forward to seeing them here
I hope so too. I took a peek at your old place and you have a nice style of writing that I think you'll find easy to work into the HP platform. Your personal touch helps give credibility to your topics. Welcome to the neighborhood!
Thank you so much rebekahELLE. I'm still a baby in the online writing world. I'm not sure what to do with myself at this point, during this involuntary move. I am glad to find some really good writers on Hubpages. My first look at the new neighborhood yesterday was very shocking. An article that I didn't consider quality at all was the first thing that popped up. I'm glad I didn't give up right then.
After the shock wears off, I think it will be a good move. Today I am seeing that there are many quality writers here, and many writing role models to choose from.
Thank you so much for your kind words.
Wow! Welcome Squidoo members. As some have mentioned, I did not know about this either. I hope it goes well for all.
Perhaps new Squidoo members here will go through QAP before grace period for T&C.
For those under rocks, it has been on HP blog, forum ( before this), questions, FAQ, and I believe newsletter.
Welcome to HubPages everyone!
One piece of friendly advice for you: following a bunch of other Hubbers all at once is not a good idea. Only follow people whose content you want to read, and actually read their content. I've seen a lot of indiscriminate following lately.
I have a question: How do you keep track and monitor who follows who? That sounds interesting.
You can notice on the hubbers profile page. You get emails too.
There's no harm following people who's work you love as long as you don't follow just for the sake of a follow back. Gaining followers isn't that big a deal unless they're really going to read and participate on your hubs.
One of the things I like about this forum is good feedback. Since you told me about finding other people's followers on their profile page I will check that out. I enjoy reading people's profiles and never thought to delve in deeper. I changed my profile after reading someone's profile today who is probably going to be nominated for their article on lips puffing. I really enjoy her work. I did not follow her yet. Hey thank you guys for all your insight on following.
We have no control over Google and just need to enjoy the company of the new writers on our site. We need to have hope and think positively. I am excited about this merger.
How will my affiliate links from Squidoo transfer over to hubpages? Will everything stay intact?
A warm welcome to all of the squids! I briefly tried writing for Squidoo a while back, but my lenses were unpublished Hubs which were under performing. So it is not a huge surprise that I didn't do to well with them. But I'm sure that the HubPages community has inherited a number of talented writers.
Well who knew? Everybody it seems! lol! Welcome to the Squids!
I understand that those of you who live here at HubPages are apprehensive, but honestly, so are those of us moving over from Squidoo.
Nobody from either site knows what the migrated content will look like, or how it will affect any of us. Rather than speculating, and anticipating problems where there might not actually be any, we should just all roll with it, and sort things out as they come. This isn't the first change any of us have been through on either site---and it won't be the last.
Has anyone's content been migrated over yet?
If I'm understanding the stuff posted on my Squidoo dashboard, the migration starts August 25th.
I have the impression that this opportunity for HP came up rather suddenly, given the way most mergers can take quite a while to work through. I think they are still working out the best ways to bring your content over and while keeping its functionality intact.
Hi Lisavollrath: I just started a new forum for you guys that I hope is helpful to you. We have been undergoing some big changes here and you will want to know about them to opt in or out of them. See the Forum regarding "Welcome new Hubbers from Squidoo and Things you need to know about."
It is not meant to be contentious, just to let you guys know about Hubber Pro and Editors Choice so you can choose to opt in or out early on as you see fit.
That's great! I'm reading as fast as I can, learning about what's expected here at HubPages. Anything you can put together to help those of us migrating from Squidoo is much appreciated.
Are you allowed to post a link to that thread here? Or is posting links a no-no?
You can post links to forums on topic, that's okay - I am just not good at it lol. Links for self promotion are frowned upon and sometimes "snipped" They go away, and readers wonder what that was all about lol.
It will say "snipped" where the moderator cut it out.
You're not allowed to post links to your own Hubs or websites. Anything else is OK provided it's useful and relevant.
Thanks! Good to know. I was hunting for a post that tells us what the policies are here in the forums, but couldn't find one quickly. Sometimes, it's just easier to raise a hand and ask the question.
You are absolutely right. Complaining or envisioning worst case scenarios rarely serves anyone. I think you'll find that the bulk of us here on HP are open minded and willing to be helpful. Not all, but that happens anywhere you go. I do hope all of you will adjust well. I know if the situation were reversed, it would be very daunting so I am doing my best to reach out and welcome those I see posting .
The merger can only cause an increase in credibility. The likelihood of the majority of Squiddo writers being great is very high... their quality writing will help propel the entire site upward and onward.....
I wasn't aware of this until right now, and understand we all get set in our ways and resist change to a certain degree. But I'm sure HP must have thought this through carefully, and welcome all the people at Squidoo. I'm sure most of them have been writing for years like we have at HP, and even now I see hubs that aren't that great. I think we can all work together.
For the newcomers from Squidoo, I think you will like the community spirit at Hubpages. You can ask any question on the forums, and people are usually supportive. The TOS and other things may be a bit different (I've tried other sites, but never Squidoo), but think we can all blend in fine together. It's exciting to be getting a lot of new writers, and likely many of them also had accounts here at HP anyway. Most of us write in more than one place.
I imagine that a lot of the 'people from Squidoo' also have active HP accounts, so really they are not new to the platform at all.
A lot do. Which means multiple accounts once the move is complete.
I think the traffic depends on search engine results. Some of our featured hubs have negligible traffic, while some others are on the first page of Google. We are becoming a big family and soon the new comers will have to play on the same ground and face the same things.
The present traffic of Squidoo would automatically be directed towards Hub pages, and it is a respectable score. Hub pages would indeed receive some impetus as a bonus. But finally content is the key on Google.
Hub pages makes the featured hubs un- featured for traffic etc. So let us welcome the new change. Hub pages has become a big player going for takeovers. I am hopeful and positive about it.
Wow so I only just found out that this merger was occurring! How exciting! Personally, I'm not too worried after having done a little research. The lenses will eventually be brought up to our standards, and at least in this way we as a Hubpages community might gain greater exposure as an overall website.
I have an account on Squidoo. It has no articles but does have some rather attractive accolades - mostly for reading announcements from Seth Godin. I hope these will be transferred.
All my awards have disappeared from my Squidoo dashboard and profile, so I'm guessing those will be lost in the migration. I'm sad to see my Giant Squid go...
I suggest a screenshot to memorialize your accolades there Mark as I believe only featured lenses are transferring .
Oh thanks Christin - you are a live saver. I managed to do a screen shot and this is what will be on my wall - poster size - once I can earn another $1.25.
Six trophies! Not bragging but that is way more than most I expect.
First, I understand everyone's concerns. I'll be 'moving in' with the rest of Squidoo writers though I understand I can't use this account for the transferred material, so I won't be writing under my moniker, 'HomeArtist' .
Squidoo wasn't a failure, per se. But I will say the HQ there was woefully inadequate and downright infuriating in servicing writers' concerns.
It's a very scary time for us writers that were successful earners at Squidoo but I'm looking forward to conforming my work to meet HP's quality standards.
Many of you may not know that Squidoo imposed a whirlwind cleanup effort, ousting a plethora of 'junk writers' (and I use the term "writers" loosely).There are a few favored Squids whom HQ kept afloat, allowing rules be broken, etc.
I understand such practice doesn't happen here and for that I'm/we're very grateful. Those of us who strive for quality were driven near mad by the inequalities we were subject to, daily.
I think you'll find many of us newcomers a humble, diligent bunch who share the same 'what now/is this a good thing' concerns as you. I'm keeping to the 'Keep calm and carry on' mantra for now.
Being the new kid on the block is a scary one and I appreciate all the warm welcomes I've received thus far. Thanks bunches!
One thing you do not need to be concerned about is how the team here responds to writers.
They instituted a Quality Assessment Program awhile back specifically to try and rid this site of low level or problematic writers.
While they have yet to dump all of them and a few still slip through, I think you will find that for the most part the quality of writing here is excellent.
The great majority of us try to work together to help one another with various issues that come up, so I think you will no longer have the types of frustrations you mentioned here.
I came here from Yahoo Voices almost three years ago and can tell you that the difference in the way I was treated here was like night and day.
It has taken me a very long time to gain substantial views and fair income, but I only was able to achieve that with the help I received here.
I've had a great, free education and now it is paying off.
I'm sure it will do the same for all who come with you from Squidoo.
I just read most of this thread and I can appreciate your concerns. I too am a Squidoo lensmaster, for almost 6 years now. I have a HP acct too, but didn't write more than 3 hubs before choosing to stay with Squidoo.
Anyway...I would like to say that many of us have tried to get rid of the junk lenses over the years. Sometimes the staff would listen, and many times they wouldn't. Now, it would be really nice to say HP will only get the best of the best, but that's pretty subjective. Squidoo has/had a ton of great writers, some of whom had transferred here over this past year for one reason or another. Now, the rest of us will be coming in mass as it appears we can only get the money due us if we follow a certain protocol of transfer. No one wants to lose what they have earned, so that's one reason we aren't manually moving our accounts.
And may I add that HP will be darn lucky to get some of the people I know that write on Squidoo. Will there be lenses/hubs that don't match the criteria here...yep. Will we work hard to come into compliance, yep. All of us that have cared about Squidoo will do the same here. And let's just hope that the lenses that Squidoo staff and their filters never quite got around to addressing don't muddy the waters here for long.
I think former Squids who were frustrated with HQ's attention to low-quality content in the past will be happy to see how HP is run. Not that HP is perfect, but I think you'll find staff is much more driven to root out the bad stuff, respond to the concerns of writers and interact with the community.
Like a lot of Hubbers, I'm very apprehensive about the implications of this move. But I do recognize there are/were some very talented content creators on Squidoo, and I'm happy to see them here.
I absolutely agree with you, and every Squid or Hubber that is apprehensive. How could we not be when all of us got this merger notice.
Many people on the unofficial Squidoo forum have heard good things about HP's and we are impressed with the traffic here and how HP recovered from their G slap. We have watched. If we had more than 6 days to fix our lenses to match here, many of us would. However we only have until the 22nd to do any editing before the transfers begin.
Here's to a successful transition for all of us in this new extended family
One of the things I didn't like about Squidoo was the sense I got of favoritism. I read about Giants copying newbie content. And the total clampdown in forums on anything that could be taken the wrong way.
Paul E who runs HP is a good guy. He tries in the face of everything Google throws at him - which is a lot.
And these forums - which are the most helpful and friendly forums on the net (imo) - also allow for the occasional dissenting voice. So it is possible to be an adult and disagree - that is a very good thing. Handy for me.
As one who got banned from the HQ forum I know all too well what you mean, that is why many of the active veterans started our own forum which evolved into a very good place. Not only is it about Squidoo, but it is a place to share info on other sites (like HP). Our forum on Yuku absolutely allows you to voice an opinion, and a few of the long term hubbers are also members there So, in a way, many of us already know some of the people here, and will be happy enough if Paul and Staff are as professional as we've heard.
The one thing that I know will be an issue is the link limit. Giants on Squidoo had none, then 20 to Amazon, and depending on some unknowns other links as well. Now, most of us have no idea at all what to expect here. We have heard various things...but like I said, with only a few days we can't possibly go through hundreds of articles to comply here in that amount of time. Let's not even count the people on vacation that know nothing of this yet!
Respect for being banned. Their forums were awful.
Personal attacks is a ban reason on here but saying something like "This merger is insane" is not. I am joking. I don't know how sane it is. It might be fun.
I am not a rule expert because I trade mostly in stickmen and they seem not to be subject to many rules. Google hates them but they hate everyone.
I guess you guys should download / screenshot your stuff before the move, see what comes across, and decide on an editing strategy. Bit of a learning curve, lot of slog but at HP we have also been round and round rule changes to cope with Panda.
That is when it is time to let go of the stuff that really doesn't feel like it is worth saving.
Yes, everyone I know is busy saving content, screenshots, etc. I know I am moving my travel, RV, and other assorted lenses to my own site, and that takes time. I have to copy, delete, then deindex. Also all the lenses made for the community have nothing to do with HP so many of us have, or will be deleting those too.
It will be interesting to see what comes over here, and what survives after. I just went to one of the posters in this thread, and after reading that hub, I am not worried about fixing mine up to match here. It will just take more time than they gave us; 6 days is not enough if you have a large number of lenses.
Wow! That is all they are giving you? That seems quite inconsiderate of their writers - sorry for the bluntness, but wow... That must be incredibly stressful for those with tons of content over there. I'm sorry that it is happening so quickly geez.
Yes....effectively we got 6 days to deal with our accounts. Now mind the shock used up the first day for many of us
A new FB group was started just to help us focus, and answer Q's on how to do this, and what we can do in this short time to mitigate some of the issues. One of my friends has over 1000 articles, and is an excellent writer. She has to go through and delete certain modules/capsules from her stuff that won't work here. And that is just one example.
So, yes, besides the Hubbers being upset....so are the Lensmasters, and all of us are anxious on how this will affect everyone.
One thousand in six days. That is insane.
How does Seth spin that one?
To keep this in perspective - bear in mind that your friend's Featured lenses will all transfer over automatically without her doing a thing, and she'll have a "grace period" after they move, to fix them up. Even if they're not fixed by the end of the grace period, the worst that will happen is that they get unpublished - they won't be deleted, they'll be sitting on her account and can be fixed up and republished any time.
I see how the link limits and a few other changes will be a major shake up for Lensmasters. But maybe you'll agree that these differences are a big part of what allowed HP to thrive, and caused Squidoo to struggle. Getting things in line with HP policies can only help, but I also understand how it's a major problem when you have many Lenses.
Honestly, I think some of the talented writers on Squidoo who are willing to learn HP's ways and be open-minded are eventually going to see their traffic and earnings go through the roof. Others who aren't so flexible might, unfortunately, fall by the wayside.
Only time will tell how well any of us do over here
As for Squidoo....there are many, many reasons that lead to where we are today. Depending on who you talk to, or how much anyone wants to say in Public...a lot of this could have been prevented with different choices and actions made by those in charge. Scammers and spammers are on both sites....it just seems like HP might take care of them a bit better. I don't know, and will see as time goes on.
Bottom line is if we all work together it will benefit all of us.
To be fair to Squidoo, HubPages went through a similar process - it just did it a lot earlier. We lost a lot of good writers in the process, too. However, while many of us disagreed strongly with the steps HubPages took back then, some of the changes did help the site - which is why HP is here today and Squidoo isn't, I guess.
I understand that they will only be transferring their featured hubs.
Okay, so I will just start writing some hubs from scratch. Thanks.
Instead of starting from scratch, save your lenses and then spend some time reading the learning center guides here and reading hubs from successful writers here to get a feel for what will work.
Then take the lenses you already wrote and upgrade them to fit the type of writing you will need to do here to succeed.
I have saved many articles over the years that were not doing well just by upgrading them, changing titles, adding videos, etc.
This takes time, but it is better to write one good article than to have many that will not pass muster.
I have learned a lot here and by paying attention to what is required, I've done OK. You will too.
The lenses that are being transferred are the featured ones. It used to be they featured 400,000 lenses, then recently it dropped to 175,000. My understanding is if a lens in that 175,000 it will come over.
That's not quite right. The decision will be made at the account level. We will move all accounts that either explicitly opt in using the link from the dashboard, or that have 1 or more Featured Lens.
For any account that is moved, we will move all Lenses that aren't deleted or locked. Featured Lenses will become featured Hubs on HubPages, all other Lenses will come over as unpublished Hubs.
http://hubpages.com/squidoo/faq#Will-Al … s-Transfer
I posted this on another of the "numerous" Squidoo threads here (can we consolidate all of this?), but wanted to make sure it was seen here as well.
Many Squidoo members are speculating on other sites that I visit. I am wondering if all Squidoo members have been emailed the links to the official HubPages forum posts and guidelines that will effect them? There seems to be a lot of questions out there.
If this has not happened, I would suggest that HP staff get with Squidoo staff and get the emails to send this info out to their inbox to help clarify things.
Oh wow, I didn't know about this and just saw the forums about it. I recently switched from iPhone to Galaxy android so I don't have my Hubpages app anymore on iPhone. This has reduced my alerts, etc. so I have to get back to interacting more via website.
Welcome Squidoo Writers...maybe if we combine all our talents together, it will be a win-win situation.
I like Squidoo's trophy icons, very cute.
Good luck to all of us, Hubbbers and Squidoo'rs/Squids?
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