Last week I signed an agreement with Google to help all Hubbers get access to more demand (Advertisers) and to sell on our behalf the new IAB rising star units that have proven to be great brand vehicles for digital advertisers and generally bring significantly higher CPMs.
We are starting to test on the arts section of HubPages the standard ad units and will begin testing the 300X600 rising star unit once it's available in the next few days.
This is a significant piece of the puzzle to bringing all Hubbers monetization capabilities at the same level as other premium publishers.
The last few months we have made significant progress in overall monetization and we are now realizing the fruits of having one of the largest world class communities on the Internet. The ability to close these deals for the benefit of all Hubbers is a testament to all of you!
Thank you for being part of HubPages.
Wow!! This is truly awesome, so looking forward to it spreading to all niches. I just can't wait
Thanks for your effort for the betterment of all.
I really appreciate the fact that you are always working hard to improve HubPages! Great job!
Thanks Paul for working to make things better for the writers here.
Wow that's awesome thanks a lot. HubPages all the way! Nice job!
Sounds great. Thanks for striving to make Hubpages an even better place to write.
I saw this release on Marketwire about it. http://www.marketwatch.com/story/hubpag … 2011-10-12
Paul, this is one of the many reasons that I LOVE HubPages. You are looking out for us. Thank you so much.
Paul and all of the HubPages Team, Thanks so very much for working as hard as you do to make Hubpages the best writing platform and for looking out for all of us writers. You guys are great!!!
Thats so cool. I thought that HP was at the bottom of the list when it came to Serp listing. Hopefully they will see that we have great content.
Looking forwards for this development. I do agree those topics really can keep the hubbers' earnings rolling
I had never heard of the IAB rising star units. I did a quick search and found out that they pretty engaging and interactive. I might be tempted to click on one of these even though I know they are ads.
Sounds good to me, Paul. Even though I don't think I've got one hub in the arts section, I still like the idea.
Way to go, HP!
Thank you so much for all the ad improvements, Paul! I appreciate your hard work very much.
Thanks for the good news and your ongoing work to make this an evolving and valuable publishing opportunity.
Hurrayyyyyy for HubPages!!! Thanks Mr. Edmondson.......
Thank you, Paul and the HP Team, for all your hard work in getting hubbers the absolute best available. The HP Ad Program has worked fabulously well for me and am sure improvements such as these would further help improve the revenue potential for all hubbers! Thanks again, Paul
So good to see all the hard work you're doing paying off, Thanks to all the hard working HP staff.
I would like to know the same thing as well. You can't call it dumb :-)
Unless Paul E corrects me if I am wrong, these will look to be some significant branded ads (large consumer brands) coming on board, these ads will be part of the HPAds market.
I just hope so, but the ads should be directed to our content or atleast something everyone's interested in. Because if hub pages begins it from scratch it may take time to gather advertisers in all niches. But I'm with HP on that.
Paul please do correct us if we're wrong :-) If we are, then sorry about making assumptions
They're AdSense ads served through the HubPages Earnings Program (the Ad Program). We have no way to negotiate these sorts of things with your individual AdSense accounts.
Keep in mind we earn 40% of your Hub impressions' revenue regardless of whether you use AdSense only or the Ad Program and AdSense together. Naturally, we have the same goal of maximizing the earnings from your Hub traffic.
EDIT: Just a minor correction: These ads are Google ads, but they're served up through a separate program from AdSense.
Ok Jason, thanks for that.
Any decisions on where they're going to be displayed. I don't actually know what kind of ads they are to be honest.
You know, I have a few questions.
You can read more about the IAB Rising Stars here:
As Paul mentioned in the OP, we'll be testing one of them - the 300x600 Filmstrip - in the Arts section to start.
Jason, maybe you could answer my question. Sorry if it has been asked before. I researched other threads but haven't found the answer about the $50 minimum payout. If a person has 2 identities on HP, but both are tied to the same paypal account, do we need to earn $50 on each identity for payout, or are the amounts combined?
I guess you need to accumulate $50 in each. But I'd let Jason answer it. Because acc to me its an automated process and as soon as you reach the $50 in the next cycle its released.
Thanks, your answer makes sense. I guess I need to start writing more frequently.
Yes it is $50 in each account for it to be paid!
"Last week I signed an agreement with Google" - is that Adwords or Adsense? I worry a bit (now) about Adsense because the Hpads cannibalise the Adsense by a long mile. That's good for the Hpad coffers but Adwords placement is now PPP. Enough that I keep getting messages explaining how to better improve the placement of ads around my hubs.
And as Habee put forth, whose ads will they be?
Great! And I don't have an Adsense account when it is time to reap the fruits.
How are you earning money here then, Hassam?
Adsense cancelled his account last week with no explanation.
I don't earn anymore now, the reason is given by Aficionada
what you could do is have your girlfriend or wife or a trusted friend sign up for an adsense account or even start a corporation (that you don't have to do anything with really, just for the sudo name to use) and get your adsense account going that way. Then you'd have to have your wife/girlfriend/friend you trust (that last one is iffy as money and trust are hard even with friends, maybe family? mom/dad). Then what you do is unpublish all your content and republish it after about a month of waiting to be sure it's gone from Google or HP indexes, and rebuild that way. That's what I'd do...
Right now I am waiting for the reply form the appeal I made, if it doesn't work then I think I can open a Business account with the same name. I can get my brother to open a new account on my behalf too, as he lives in different country. But the issue is about all the content I have published here. It is now on my own sub-domain, and If I link the new account with this sub-domain, chances are that the new account might get banned, too, I am not sure about this. It would be really difficult to revamp everything, I wouldn't want to loose my ranking on Google, all the traffic I get now will be all gone.
I don't know if Hubpages would ever remove the requirement of Adsense account to allow us to earn through HP ads. It would be a lot easier for me and many of us who are left with nothing if they loose their Adsense.
I don't think they can. I certainly don't know the details and don't really understand what little they have let out, but somehow the HPads program in intertwined with adsense; advertisers "compete" to get their ads placed in open spots or something.
The result is that adsense is a major player in HPads - without it the program just doesn't work. At least that's the impression I got when they started it back in February.
HP ads run independently of the Adsense Ads I think, as Adsense ads are on different spots where as HP ads have their own spots. I am not sure too about what you are saying, but I think advertisers compete for ad spot only for a particular ad program, not the complete page.
What ever the case, the thing is now all the revenue streams; Amazon,ebay, Adsense are linked with HP ads which doesn't work without Adsense, so there is no other way, a Hubber could earn here if he looses his Adsense account.
I don't believe that is true. There is a difference between HPads and the HP earning program.
You must have adsense to use HPads but as far as I've seen you do not need adsense to use the HP earning program. You may use the program without enabling HPads and it is only there that adsense is required.
Could be wrong there, though...
It is true that you need Adsense to have HP ads in the HP Earnings program. The reason for this is that Google does not want HP to pay money for ads to Hubbers who were dropped from AdSense for Terms of service violations. eBay also requires AdSense acceptance, possibly for a similar reason.
However, when Amazon is added to the HP Earnings program in a couple of weeks, you will not need to be accepted for AdSense in order to apply for Amazon within the HP Earnings program. At least that is how it presently is stated. Who knows, rules can change. Source of this info is from Marina Lazarevic's post.
Glenn, Hubpages still runs Adsense ads on Hubs even if anyone's Adsense account is disabled. How can Google allow them to run Ads when it denied the publisher?
I have currently disabled any ads on my Hubs and made them non-commercial, according which there should be NO ads on my Hubs, but Hubpages is still showing a 300x250 ad on my Hubs, below the tags and it is an Adsense ad.
So may be Google, like you said doesn't allow them to pay publishers through HP ads if they are denied but allows HP to earn from their articles!
Yes, I think may be after this year they will allow Hubbers to use Amazon separately of their earning program.
Even for noncommercial hubs, HP will continue to show ads at least for 40% share. They are spending money on every hub in terms of data center cost.
hassam, the point you're missing is that HubPages has not been denied AdSense as they stay withing the terms of service. So they can still place ads with their AdSense affiliate code for their 40% share as stated in YOUR terms of service agreement.
They aren't denying your articles specifically (i.e. you could give them to someone else and they could use them ) they are denying you as in the person or more precicely your ID
Are you sure about this? Because of what I have heard, if I run some one else's Adsense ID on my Hubs they might get banned for having a link with a disabled account. I am thinking of this now, as I just received a reply from Google and they have made a decision not to reinstate me!
You wouldn't of course use your account here, you'd have to have them (or your business) create a new one then use your new adsense or proxy account there- there's no way around that as far as adsense is concerned, you'd have to transpose all your hubs to the new account and basically start over as if you sold your assets to a new publisher.
I'm like that lion king kid, danger, I laugh in the face of danger (rowww rrrrrr rrrrowwwww) you could also move all your content to another site like infobarrel
Lol, that is good example. Every one has to face dangers in life, if I can't earn online now, I have to supplement that income by doing something offline, for the time being. Things never remain the same in life. I can't leave my online life however, I am in love with it . Yes, Infobarrel looks promising, I have some articles there, also a Chitika account, but to be honest I don't want to leave Hubapges either! I have to plan something that works out for me good this time!
How are you? Did you get any response from Adsense Team?
Just saw Nabtron, one of my favorite blog from Pakistan has also been banned. Seems something really fishy.
I'm excited to see the new ads - I have a few hubs in the arts category, so I'll be keeping an eye out for them as the roll out occurs.
Ok ta. Rather artistic IMO. Not sure about how they convert but they are super stylish. I'm talking about the film strip.
Great news! Thank you! Have any appeared yet? [I haven't checked my hubs yet.]
I do notice some new ads on some of my hubs. They look enticing! Are these the new ads?
My numbers have been going up ... I thank you Hub Pages Staff for continually and diligently looking out for us. You are the BEST!
This sounds great to me. I noticed that my numbers are going up. Giving me more incentive to write more.
Thanks for working so hard to make this site more profitable for all of us. I appreciate all of the hard work!
Thanks for all the hard work you've been doing for us, Paul.
Another great accomplishment! I believe I will be around until I am 100 years old. lolo! Great job!
I love the HP Ad Program and referral system. Thanks for that and the evolving improvements:
I don't really keep up on the hows and whys of how earnings are changing, but I have noticed a significant percentage increase over the last few months. It is clear you have been working hard and continue to do so and I thank you. I am feeling more and more that this is a place I want to contribute more of my work to.
My earnings have gone up from less than a dollar a month to $4.32 (so far) for October. That is on 80 hubs of which only 3 are significant producers.
If I would like $4,000 a month income then I need 80,000 hubs. Or I need to study Habee's hubs to see how she attracts so much more per hub than I do - then I will still have to write many more hubs. But now I am much more motivated.
Thanks for that, Charles. I'll share my secrets with you:
1. get a Great Dane to hang its big ole head over your shoulder as you type
2. drink lots of coffee
4. sleep for only four hours a night
5. pray...a lot (If you don't pray, sacrifice a chicken once a week, but do so humanely. Fry the chicken in peanut oil afterwards. Eat the chicken.)
I have a Heinz 57 medium size dog but he is not allowed upstairs.
I will have to start writing downstairs.
Thank you for the great laugh Habee - I love the Dane and the chicken. I can't have pets in my apartment so I will have to go find a chicken to massacre.
I'm not much on mass murder, but if you will properly sacrifice two chickens (on a stone altar, I presume, and with a pentagram?) and pluck them I can cook 'em! A community effort?
Wildman, since youins ain't from the South, you better let me fry them thar chickens!! Ima thankin' weez gonna need a heap more'n two!
Well, with some 200,000 hubbers, we will probably need about 199,999 of them. Weekly.
Alexander can wring necks and pluck, I'll make a fire, and you can cook. I figure I need about 3 good sized oak trees each week, so better get the axe sharpened up. Or are you one of the new "Southern Belles" that wants (God forbid) propane?
I'll have you know, though, that while I'm back in Gods country (NW) I spent 22 years in the homeland of the south, just a few miles from the capital. Ah can cook a chick'n. Y'all ain't the only ones that c'n perform that thar delicate task.
Can I make the fire and you pluck instead? Although I have to admit that wringing necks sounds like fun.
The capital - you mean DC? That ain't part of the South! I'm talkin' DEEP South - Georgia, SC, AL, Miss, LA, and North Florida. Glad you learned to cook down here, though. lol
The NW ain't God's country - the South is. We have more Bibles than frying pans. lol
DC? That h*** hole? What's wrong, with you, gal?
Richmond. The REAL capital. Richmond Va.
Put a few mountains down in Ga. to showcase God's beauty and majesty, get rid of the gators and you might give the NW a run for their money. You'd still lose, but at least it would be a contest. And no, that molehill called Stone Mountain doesn't count. Nor do the foothills called the Appalachian (giggle) mountains.
Have you read my hub about the Appalachians? They were once the tallest mts on the planet! Hey, and our beaches are awesome, especially on the Gulf - clear turquoise water, snow-white sand, and calm surf. And best of all, we rarely get snow and ice!
poor soul, no wonder Appalachian Snow Boards on ebay are so cheap.
Admittedly, there are a few pluses. I went mullet jumping off of Jekyl Island, where the fish simply jump in the boat. Good for people that can't fish, I guess, but not my cup of tea.
And the rain in Brunswick would wash everything clean. Clean into the Atlantic when it's measured in inches per hour instead of days, but that's another story. Fishing in the Okefenokee was good, but you couldn't keep them - gators stole them right from the stringer. Surfing in the gulf isn't so good (it requires actual surf, not tiny wavelets) - better off to find a good sized lake.
Yes, good things down south...
Fishin' in the Gulf is great for folks what knows how ter fish. Check out some of my fishin' hubs. Even little youngins down here can catch big ole reds in the Gulf!
The beaches and water at Jekyll are ugly. That's why southerners know not to go there. It's a tourist trap for Yankees and folks from the Northwest who don't know no better. LOL!!
Oh, and mullet is fer bait.
LOL, no I'm a Christian, we'll have to with a simple stone altar and a lot of prayer. Make sure the chicken is first-born though. Oy, I hope someone doesn't interpret this as blasphemy and making light of my own religion!
I learned a long time ago...God hath a sense of humor! I even wrote a hub about it.
Oh, sorry we got off topic for a little fun. I do appreciate and look forward to these new ads!
you could make 4k with 800 hubs actually- but it's more of a guessing game- if you had 40 hubs that took off like one of mine did, you could do it with 40 but likely to get that internal HP traffic you'd need the 800 anyway with 40 that earn... who knows, but that's where I think it would be...
The income is climbing - I am not the strongest in backlinking, etc., but they are climbing, so...
Thank you! So nice to have the extra advantages you have been
working so hard to get for us!
yea mine too I went from making about 3.00 a day to a consistent 10 (min the last month) to 16.00 (max so far during the last month)... actually from the 16th on... whatever they are doing it's working! I don't have any eBay/Amazon capsules up so that's even lower than I could have/will make. Having to create these capsules on 434 hubs is a daunting task.
Thank you for your work in helping hubbers to earn more money! I want you to know this is very much appreciated!
I wish I could just shut down my website and move all the pages here - I'm making far better CPM here now and this move can only make it better!
Actually Pcunix- That's EXACTLY what I've been doing with great success. What you do is convert your sites into hubs (each page on your site becomes a single hub) then linking them together with the first one creating a navigation links box (text box with links and a second box you turn blue to set them up side by side).
My average site is 10-20 pages so that means 10-20 hubs. You may have to tweak the content a bit but I find I add more to it instead of removing it and adding images and all that lovely formatting makes my sites pages look 100% better than it did as a stand alone site.
I had one site on house siding 13 pages, a site on acne 16 pages, smart drugs 12 pages, and so on. They've since become series I set up. The trick is your hubs can't be incomplete in needing other pages to complete them- but my sites always were set up so each page is both a part of the whole (supporting topics) and stand alone informative.
I moved a completely dead site "ink jet printer cartridges" it's a 3 year old site that made a grand whopping total of 1.00 in 3 years. I moved it here as a series (12 pages/hubs I think) and the first day it made me 12.00.
I did this move specifically due to the bi-polar nature of adsense and the better earnings I make here WITHOUT paying to promote or having to promote at all, and I also don't have to keep the domains up to date- although a few I keep due to their great keywords and just forward them all to the first hub in the "series". With this I can promote the domain (not the hub) if I want to try to surge traffic to it and keep the domain valuable if I decide to move it all back (or just rewrite it later) or want to sell the domain with rewritten content (after seasoning it).
Bottom line- don't wish- do it, do it, do it
Paul-Grateful for all your work to make Hub Pages such a great place. Thank you!
To the Hubpages team, thank you, thank you and thank you! Blessings always.
Some of us had worries about HP finances and longterm viability.
If my income has gone up 400%+ I hope this means that HP is doing equally well and has a long term future. HP is a valuable resource for all of us.
Can't wait for this to happen, but I'm still trying to figure out the old stuff so I might not get full benefit right away, Oh well, I'm learning fast.
I earned 74c in May and $5.01 so far in October (October 30th). Virtually no new hubs in this period in this identity. None that I wrote in this timew are doing anything much.
I took advantage of the subdomain switch as soon as it was offered. I have written summaries for about half my hubs and am gradually working through them. There is nothing I have done that accounts for this dramatic rise in income.
I do what I think of as cross linking where my Education hubs are generally linked, and Law hubs are generally linked. I also write as About The Law and linked across between the two identities to my Charles James Law hubs but given how few people have even looked at my About The Law hubs that would not account for it either.
The Subdomain switch and whatever else HP have done must be the main driver. Well done HP.
Oh I thought some big $'s lol. But that's a good start. I'm at $0.96 through HP ads now. I guess thats good??
With 12 hubs and 96c your earning rate per hub is higher than mine. And you have only been on HP for 5 weeks.
You are definitely a star.
Keep it up.
I forget when I switched to HP ads, but until the subdomain switch, none of it mattered - Adsense or HP, neither was making enough money to notice at all - pennies a day.
That started changing after the subdomains were enabled. While still not much money, I've already had $80 paid to me and this month through today is over $40 - so it is climbing.
As Panda apparently killed my site almost dead (it seems that a major problem is that I lost a lot of important links from places like Wikipedia and others cleaning up old stuff - I didn't lose them all, but I lost a lot), I'm happy to see an opportunity and have set my resolve to keep publishing here.
I just want to say that I totally agree. Panda cut my traffic and income in half. But after the subdomain split up, I am doing better than ever and motivated to keep writing on HP too, rather than on another site I've been testing.
I wish mine was just cut in half. It dropped to $200 a month and in October it dropped to just barely enough that I'll get a payout. If it drops much more I'll have to shut it down as the operating costs will not make it worthwhile. What a shame..
I have spent more time in Analytics over the last six-plus months than anywhere else and the major clue seems to be loss of some big links.. which is not anything I can "fix" as every one was truly organic and unsolicited.
Thank you, Paul, for working so hard to benefit all of us.
Sounds like very good news to me. We could all use more money, right?
Thanks Paul, and all at HP.
I love to write. But even more, I love to earn from what I write.
Keep these revenue opportunities coming, and one day, far into the future, when all the planets align, our God Google is content running the world, and Hub Pages is its favourite child, I might be able to change 'love' to 'live'.
Then I'll be content with my world as well.
Oh my goodness, this sounds very promising. Fingers and toes crossed. Thanks Paul.
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